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111. Flight Interview Success · The Shift Podcast

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  Welcome to frontline Static we. Will get to hear interviews with
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  some of my clients. Journeys of getting into flight
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  and how. They utilize coaching to help
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  them create success of getting hired with less confusion and
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  more ease. Make your dream a reality of
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  getting into flight. Listen in as you hear some of
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  the stories of the people getting there and come join the
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  Flight Prep group. Hey you guys, welcome to episode
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  110. I wanted to do something a
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  little bit different this week. I've been thinking about all of
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  you guys who want to get into flight in the last 24 hours and
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  how I wanted to kind of share this message with you.
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  But I have a special message plan for you guys this week.
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  I met with the Flight Prep Academy yesterday.
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  We. Have our weekly group calls
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  every Tuesdays. And we did in a particular
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  evaluation on a flight interview that someone just recently did
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  into the group. And I encourage every single
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  person who's in my. Group to evaluate.
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  Every interaction that they have with flight companies and every
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  single flight interview that they have.
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  And she had just recently done this interview and so it was
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  fresh in her mind. And I always talk about in these
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  evaluations. What went well, what didn't go?
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  Well, what do you want to do differently?
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  And we kind of. Evaluate each of.
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  Her interviews like that, so we got into delving in into the
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  interview and talking specifically about.
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  It what she felt like went well, what she felt like.
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  Didn't go well and as we were doing this evaluation, we
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  discovered. That she was really just.
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  Giving answers based on what? She thought the.
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  People on the panel interview wanted to hear, which is
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  something that is so common that I see people doing, is
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  continuing to talk more or continuing to second guess their
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  clinical scenarios by seeing if the people interviewing are
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  nodding their head or smiling or connecting or saying something
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  back to them and what I shared with her.
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  Is that if you're a? Really good panel interviewee on
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  a flight panel interview you will not show.
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  How you're, how you're. Thinking, in fact, I've had.
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  A lot of people who sat. In flight interviews and both in
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  critical care interviews where. They were really good.
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  At interviewing and. They tried to.
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  Throw the person off. They tried to.
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  Maybe. Look like they were.
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  Writing or eating or not paying attention because they really
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  wanted to see. How that particular?
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  Person interviewing would handle it under the pressure and I'm
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  not saying that all people are doing this, but I am saying that
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  what you. Really.
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  Really want to do in these flight interviews is you want to
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  stay. Out of their head.
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  And stay into yours. And I know that this sounds like
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  such a simple concept, but it's so hard to do and I saw so many
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  people in flight interviews and I coach so many.
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  People currently who? Have a hard time with that and
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  so I asked her once we discovered that she was doing
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  that once we discovered that she.
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  Felt like. The areas that didn't go well
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  were the ones that she wasn't getting connection back or
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  response back from the people interviewing her.
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  And I asked her. I said I'm curious.
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  Do you? Think that.
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  You were stuck. In what they wanted to hear
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  versus thinking about what you wanted to express.
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  And she said 100%. And I said, OK, this is.
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  So valuable. Because this is an easy fix.
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  We can fix this. And I said when you are stuck in
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  their head and not in yours, what are you not doing?
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  And she said, I'm not being true to myself.
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  And I said. To be true to yourself.
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  In a flight interview, what do you have to be willing to feel?
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  And she said vulnerable. And you could hear a needle drop
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  on the coaching call. Vulnerability, you guys, this is
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  the thing that you need to take into flight interviews.
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  This is a thing that no one else is teaching.
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  And I this is like, I think what really sets my program aside is
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  how can you be vulnerable in these interviews?
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  How can you? Show them who you are.
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  What you value? The team player.
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  You are it. Requires a certain level of
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  vulnerability in these flight interviews, but vulnerability
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  is. Hard.
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  It sounds so simple, but it. Creates a.
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  Level of discomfort for us and that's hard for people to tap
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  into, but what I. Shared with her.
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  Is that if you could tap into vulnerability?
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  If you could allow yourself to just showcase who you.
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  Are in these interviews. That these.
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  Positions will open up for you. That they will see right through
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  you and be able to see how. Authentic you are and the team
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  player you are, and they will welcome you to their team.
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  But here's the kicker you guys like this is what I told.
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  Her with the rest of the coaching, I said.
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  This is the kicker, I said. Guess how your.
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  Patients are feeling, and I said they are feeling vulnerable too.
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  So when you. Teach yourself to be.
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  Vulnerable to open yourself up to the discomfort of learning
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  new things to say when you don't know something.
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  To communicate with your patients and families in a
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  deeper way To connect with them on the worst day of.
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  Their life. You are teaching.
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  Yourself. How to?
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  Help your patients on the. Worst days because.
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  Every single. Patient that you.
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  Put into that. Helicopter that you?
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  Put into that. Aircraft.
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  Is having the worst. Day of their.
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  Life. And.
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  Every single patient is going to feel extremely vulnerable, so we
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  can you can tackle this and learn for yourself like the
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  discomfort of it and how to work.
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  Through it like this is a way that you can.
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  Deeply be there for your patients on their worst days and
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  how you can connect with them and help them when they feel the
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  most vulnerable. And so I know in your mind
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  you're thinking, OK, Janessa, this.
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  This seems so easy, but this is a.
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  Hard concept. So how do I do?
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  This and so I'm gonna give you a couple things to like kind of
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  think about that I walked the room through yesterday.
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  So. The first thing is most of you.
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  Guys are just. Thinking about getting hired.
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  Everybody who comes to me, they're they're very like linear
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  and they're thinking and they're like, how do I get hired in the
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  flight? How do I make myself?
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  Look the best. How do I?
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  Stack up my resume and I tell them it's it's important to map
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  out a plan and think about. How you get hired?
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  But what's even more important that most people are not
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  thinking about, but I'm thinking about?
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  As your coach. Is how to transition confidently
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  after getting hired. Because getting hired is the
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  easy part. It's all the stuff after that.
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  And it's learning new skills and being kind of in a provider
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  role, and I'm having new capabilities with intubation and
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  RSI and chess. Tubes.
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  And. Surgical crikes like.
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  And having a huge. Protocol book.
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  Stepping into that person is going to require you to be
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  vulnerable is going to require. You to say.
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  I don't know is going to require you to.
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  Ask for help. And so really allowing the
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  discomfort of vulnerability and, and realizing it's not about
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  stacking up your resume, allowing yourself to be
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  vulnerable as you're going through the process of getting
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  the flight is going to teach you how to navigate.
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  It for afterwards. Which is so important both for
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  your patient and for you as you're learning new things.
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  And so in my group in the flight prep Academy, I'm really not
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  only teaching you how to get to flight, but I'm teaching you how
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  to become that flight nurse now. How to build these tools so
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  that? When you get there, you know
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  exactly what tools to pull out and exactly how to do.
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  It for yourself. Another thing that I really am
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  teaching you and why this is so important is because now
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  coaching hundreds of people and getting into flight and
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  precepting lots of people in the seven years that I flew that
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  were brand new is what I've learned from that.
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  Is that whatever you are? Struggling with before you get
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  into flight is going to be your. Struggle afterwards, so I tell.
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  People, for example, this person I said, if being super
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  vulnerable is hard for you right now, when you can overcome this
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  before flight, this is going to be the thing that's going to be
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  the hardest for you as you become a flight nurse.
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  So I tell them I see this time and time again.
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  Whatever you're struggling with before getting into flight is.
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  Going to be. Your struggle tenfold afterwards
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  and so if. You can.
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  Learn the pieces and the tools to really help yourself.
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  Now this is this is what's going to make a massive difference for
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  you. And I told her, like,
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  vulnerability is going to be your thing after you become a
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  flight nurse, you're going to. Feel.
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  Super vulnerable and have really vulnerable moments and that's
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  going to be your trigger and that's going to be the hard
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  part. For you.
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  And I said, but the the great news is we now know what it is.
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  So now we're going to work on building.
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  This the tools to practice. Vulnerability to move through it
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  and to. Allow it to push you.
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  Forward and to give you momentum, OK.
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  So these are. Kind of the things that I took
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  everybody through in the group yesterday and I wanted to kind
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  of share them with you guys here on the podcast.
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  So these are some questions that are going to get you thinking
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  about if you're thinking well, I know this sounds so simple.
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  How do I? How do I allow myself to feel
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  vulnerable? How do I allow myself to feel
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  uncomfortable in this process? So.
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  I'm going to take. You through questions and if you
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  need to pause this in between each question, think about your
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  answer and then come back. Please do that because.
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  These questions are meant to be hard.
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  I meant to push. You to really.
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  Hard limits of how to think, because everybody thinks this
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  is. All about your.
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  What you're doing and the strategy of what you're doing.
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  But I'm it's really all about mindset.
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  Flight is like. 10% skills and 90% mindset.
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  So these are these questions are meant to be hard, OK?
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  So #1 when we're thinking about like.
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  How do we? Dig into being vulnerable.
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  How do we allow? Discomfort, the first question I
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  have. For you is what is the.
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  Feeling you are avoiding feeling to work on your action plan to
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  get to flight or to take action to get to flight.
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  So I'm going to ask this again. What's the?
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  Feeling you are avoiding working on or feeling to get to flight
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  right now or to start taking action on it.
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  If you need a pause it. Pause it right now I.
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  Asked her this. Yesterday and she said it was
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  vulnerable. So for her.
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  It's vulnerable. For me it was fear.
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  I had to fear failure. That's what.
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  Took me two years to actually go for this goal because I was so.
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  Afraid of failing. And then I realized.
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  Wait, I'm already. Failing because I'm just not
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  even going for it. I'm failing ahead of time.
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  So that's but but knowing what that feeling is that you're
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  avoiding is, is going to give you so much insight.
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  So for me it was fear. For her, it was vulnerability.
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  OK. Second question, what is now the
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  feeling that you have to generate?
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  OK, so you're going to allow fear, but also what's the?
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  Feeling that you have to generate.
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  For some people, this might be courage.
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  That we talked. About courage yesterday on the
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  call, For some people it might be resilience.
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  For me, it's resilience and grit.
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  Like I have to generate grit. We talked about in the moments
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  where you feel the most vulnerable and in the moments
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  where. You feel fear.
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  Most. People pull back.
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  And that's normal. They pull back and they retreat,
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  but those are the moments where you want to lean in.
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  Those are the moments where you want to double down in what
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  you're doing and double down in the action.
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  Double down in the feeling that you want to generate.
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  Because when you double down, that's when you show yourself
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  that you can have fear and still move through it.
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  So what? Is that feeling that you need to
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  generate for me it's great or resilience with that fear?
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  OK, third question. This is the mind blowing
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  question because I know that your brain is telling you well.
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  How do I have? Fear and how do I have?
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  Grit. At the same time, and the third
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  final question is what? Does it look like to have both?
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  It's not. Either or.
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  What does it look like to have? Fear and grit at the same time?
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  What? Does it look like to have
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  vulnerability? And courage.
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  This is what my client said yesterday.
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  What does it look like to have? Vulnerability and courage for
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  you. And I asked her, when's the last
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  time you had vulnerability and courage at the same time you
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  practice it and you were successful.
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  And we looked back and she said nursing school so.
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  We have to. Create in our brain these
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  pathways that it doesn't have to.
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  Be like we. Have fear and then we retreat.
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  Or we have. Resilience and we move forward.
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  We have to teach. Ourselves and our brains that we
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  can hold space on this scale for having both at the same time.
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  So for example, my example of having fear and resilience at
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  the same time was when I first became a flight nurse.
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  I had a lot. Of fear I was doing a lot of
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  skills and learning new things that I had never learned before
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  and I also. Had to, really.
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  Tap into generating resilience and telling myself of my.
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  Capability that I've. Done hard things before.
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  I've been in this place before and this growth of where I'm
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  going requires me to. Have both.
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  And I've shared with you guys before, and I'm going to just
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  share it again, that every single call that I ran for the
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  seven years that I flew, I was nervous or I had some level of
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  fear. And I always knew that I would
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  figure it out. I always knew my partner and I
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  would figure it out. I always knew.
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  We would have the capability. Of getting what we needed and
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  and so. This takes me.
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  Back to vulnerability and discomfort, what's the feeling
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  you are avoiding feeling that's getting you working towards
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  flight? What's the feeling that you want
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  to generate and then how? Can you hold space for both?
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  And remember a time. Where you had fear.
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  And resilience at the same time, or you had vulnerability and
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  courage at the same at the same time.
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  Give yourself examples of that. When you're able to think of
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  those moments, then you can start to generate how you can
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  lean on that now. And this is the very.
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  Last question that I asked everyone that I think is going
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  to be really helpful in putting this all together.
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  When you have vulnerability and and courage at the same time.
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  When you have vulnerability and courage at the same time.
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  What do you have to believe? About yourself in those moments.
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  What's the beliefs that you have to have?
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  Or for my example, when you have fear and resilience.
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  What do you believe about yourself?
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  When you. Figure out how to have both.
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  What do you have to believe about yourself?
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  And for me. The thought is I always figure
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  it out. I always.
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  Get it done. I'm always capable, no matter.
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  How hard it? Is to find the way if I keep
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  going? I will get there.
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  These are thoughts that have. Really served me and maybe you
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  can borrow too, but this? Is the last.
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  Question again is if you can hold both feelings at the same
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  time, if you can have vulnerability and courage.
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  What? Does that person believe about
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  themselves? And I want to offer you to dig
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  into that. Belief, that is the belief that.
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  Is going to matter in your interview.
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  That is the belief that you. Want to carry with you in this
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  journey of getting to flight? That is a belief.
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  That will get you an offer and I I.
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  Told her. I said I really believe.
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  That when you allow. Yourself to be.
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  Vulnerable doors will open for you.
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  You will get the offer, you will get the job.
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  And then I just want to leave you.
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  Guys with this. Thought none of us got OK, some
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  of you may. But the majority of us?
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  Didn't get into nursing for the money or the shift work or the
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  tasks that we were doing. A lot of us got.
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  In to nursing or paramedicine because.
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  We have a deep need to help people.
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  We. Love helping people and also I
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  love being able to. Have the gift.
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  Of helping people on the. Worst day of their life.
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  And so I just want to offer you this is the same for flight and
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  and we forget this when we're trying to go for big.
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  Goals like flight. Nursing we get.
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  Kind of into. This like get energy like what
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  do I need to say? So that they'll.
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  Like me better or what do I need to?
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  Say so that. They'll want to hire me and it's
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  kind of like this, get energy. How do I get there?
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  And I just want to offer you to tune back into your.
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  Desire of. Why you wanted to get into
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  healthcare, You wanted to give, you wanted to help people and
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  when you can get out of the get, when you can like turn into the
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  giving, like why did you do this?
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  You did this to help people. You.
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  Did this to connect. You did this to be.
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  There for people on the worst. Day of their lives, that's what
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  will help you get. Out of the get energy and it's
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  going to require you to be vulnerable, it's going to
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  require you to be uncomfortable, it's going to require you.
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  To be. Extremely.
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  Honest with yourself. Move into giving energy.
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  Tap into why you did this, tap into why you want to become a
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  flight nurse, move into vulnerability.
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  And if you want a strategic plan and a mapped out plan to get
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  there and you want help with your flight interviews and you
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  want to start preparing to get into flight now I'm helping
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  people do it in half the amount of time.
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  Come join us inside the Flight Prep Academy.
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  I'm going to teach you exactly how to do.
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  That that's it this week. Allow yourselves to.
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  Feel more vulnerable and really open up to the discomfort of
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  growing and doing something new. If you want flight, I'll help
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  you get there. I'll see you guys next week.
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  Bye. If anything in this episode.
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  Sparked your interest into getting into flight?
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  Come join my flight Flight group.
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  We are an entire community that meets together on a weekly basis
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  with an ongoing group chat. And if you are already flying
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  and you are currently a flight nurse or flight?
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  Medic you. Can join my all flight clinician
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  group as well. You can click on the link to
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  join in the show notes or you can DM me on Instagram.
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  I hope to see all of you guys inside.