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EDP61: London Marathon Preview / Boston Marathon · Easy Double podcast

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  rodeo we talk that talk splits on the watch but we still take
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  the Mick Dean in Perth with the long run legs go and bring the
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  fire when the session gets thick Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from ever sauce the metals Yeah we break it all down
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  hard graft Monday left about a Sunday still.
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  Hello and welcome back to The Double Podcast episode 61.
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  It is Monday evening over here in Perth, 8:00 PM.
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  And that means that over in Boston, America, it must be 8:00
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  AM. So they're about an hour away
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  from the start line. So we'll see where we get to
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  with the record and when the race starts, but I doubt we'll
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  catch the results. I'm joined as always by the two
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  Co hosts by Mossad. One of them over there.
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  How far outside the Dublin? About 50 miles now.
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  All miles. From around 20-30 minutes from
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  the edge of Dublin, yeah. Even.
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  Dublin. Dublin are Dublin are sort of
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  like invading the area I'm from. So like more Dobbs, we'd call
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  them are sort of going into the outer areas of where I'm from a
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  Mead. So yeah, they're sort of
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  surrounding us. Is this the impacts of cost of
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  living pushing people out of the city into the country?
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  Yeah, So like where I'm from, it's pretty like perfectly
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  located. Like I tell I'm half now from
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  the airport, half now. Well, rent half an hour, 40
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  minutes into like the city, Yeah, I'm pretty well situated,
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  pretty lucky. Whereas like people, let's say
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  like Saddam, Michael, honey, he's from Cork.
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  He could be, he is a lot, like even from his house to Cork city
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  could be an hour and a half, two hours and then Cork city to
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  Dublin could be another fucking three or something.
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  So yeah, very lucky. And do the locals welcome these
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  dubs or not really? And also just up the road is
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  Dean Menzies. How are you doing Monday
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  evening? Goodbye doing well, excited to
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  chat. Running with you 2.
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  Yeah, well, selfishly I wanted to say so.
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  It's Monday for another good reason, and that's because the
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  Merseyside Derby ended in the favour of Liverpool quite
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  dramatically yesterday afternoon.
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  And Dean, your team was on the the wrong end of another Derby
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  yesterday afternoon, weren't they?
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  They were, and you scored a ticket.
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  Watch it all Unfold was made perhaps a little bit more
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  competitive than it may have been, but fizzled out a little,
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  didn't it? They.
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  Are so I went for your benefit. I go for the West Coast Eagles
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  and they played Fremantle. The Fremantle Dockers said the
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  two WA teams played each other and Ryan was along along for the
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  ride. Seeing it in person.
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  So I'm probably I'm an Eagles fan and they're not playing
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  particularly well at the minute, but so I'm not too upset I
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  missed it. They weren't playing well a year
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  ago when I was there either. They're fucking dog shit.
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  So yeah, it's nice. Think things haven't changed?
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  Bit of a rebuild, yeah? But like when I was there, I
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  think Freo were fourth or something and we're Freo doing
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  now. Pretty similar.
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  Yeah. Yeah, so they're quite
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  competitive. They've got a good list, young,
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  young list that's just getting better.
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  And we're we've just done a clean out.
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  So but the AFL has like a draft system.
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  So if you finish at the bottom of the table, which the equals
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  have the last few years, we get the best picks of the in the in
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  the draft. So the hope is once those
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  players play enough games, they'll take us back up the
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  ladder. And just had this guy.
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  Was Harvey something? Is it?
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  Harley. Harley Reid.
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  Yeah. So he was one of the.
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  He's. He's done now.
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  I didn't hear that. Yeah.
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  Hey Case. He is a high case *.
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  Yeah. So yeah, that hasn't changed.
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  But but he was a number one draft pick, so we're trying to
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  get more of them to get competitive.
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  But anyway, it was a good game. I run.
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  Yeah, it was good fun. And then, well, thanks to Tom
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  Tedge for shouting me the ticket last minute.
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  It was in the the Banquest suite as well.
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  So I said can we count this as recovery seen as we sat on nice
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  cushion seats like absolute pretenders mixing it in there
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  with all the corporates. But yeah, I was.
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  Pretending like you, pretending like you knew what what was
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  going on. Yeah, trying not to fully give
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  away that I didn't have a clue what was going on and just kind
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  of commenting here and there when it made obvious sense.
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  But we're learning the ropes and I'm learning the hard way.
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  Given that the work do a tipping competition and I think I'm 23rd
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  of 24 right now. It doesn't help that I keep not
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  putting my tips in in time for the Thursday game.
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  So every week I'm automatically one game down.
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  I, I fill them in in advance because we have one of the
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  competitions. I mean, you have to do, have you
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  heard of these competitions where you lose the tipping comp
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  and you have to do some sort of challenge?
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  And so ours is like something in 24 hours in AKFC or you wait
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  20-4 pieces of chicken to get out and you get an hour off your
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  KFC sentence. So I really don't want to be
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  eating a whole bucket of KFC. So you're motivated to get your
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  tips in. Oh some of the forfeits are so
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  weird aren't they? There's a guy in work talking
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  about his and they they said you have to go for breakfast in
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  Cotslow on like a Saturday morning with a blow up sex doll.
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  Yeah, we've had one. You have to like busk or busk or
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  or wash windows to raise 50 bucks.
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  Like to settle your fines and things like that.
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  Male humor, hey. But anyway, we are here talking
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  running, not about tipping competitions and stupid
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  forfeits. So thanks everyone for being
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  with us for another week. Thanks everyone who's rolled
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  into the Patreon. And we've had a couple of
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  episodes released in there. And we've got our first
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  interview coming up this Friday, which we are all very excited
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  about. So there's a post in there if
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  you'd like to submit your questions for the interviewee.
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  It's going to be fun. I'm sure you guys feel the same.
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  So if you would like to join, that's patreon.com/easy double.
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  And yeah, thanks for support. And as it's only, I think $10 is
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  the maximum you'll pay. If you pay more, it's going to
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  Apple, so maybe resubscribe without the app.
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  And yeah, it just helps us keep paying for our subscriptions and
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  keeps us turning up. So this week we've got some
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  results from pretty random there's there's a couple of
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  races over at the Boston Marathon earlier this weekend
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  they had the 5K and a mile on the road.
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  There was a half marathon in Istanbul, which sounds
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  completely random, but when we get to who was there, it'll make
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  a bit more sense. There's some stuff kicking off
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  over in America with the NCAA's. And then perhaps the bulk of the
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  talk will come from the news section this week.
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  So we're going to delve into a London preview that's coming up.
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  I'm not sure how clear we are with the fields there, but we'll
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  do our best. And some other bits.
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  So we'll start with run results then fellas.
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  off. So Boston Marathon, there was a
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  5K on the road. I think this was on Saturday and
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  I seen it because Cooper Tia was posting quite a bit about it.
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  So I gathered that he went quite well and when you dig the
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  results out, he's finished fourth in pretty quick time of
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  1325 and he was also over there with his misses.
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  She was second in the female male in a time of 434.
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  When your Mace who you interviewed Adam Fogg, he also
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  done the men's mile. He finished back in 6th in four
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  O 7 but it looked like they were an absolute splatter over the
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  line because first place was only four O 6 so could have been
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  anyone's race. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen a bit
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  of this. I think it's cool the way it
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  should like to do in Australia. They have like the sort of
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  smaller events before. I think it's a good initiative
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  gets people of all because like people, there's so much happy
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  about the marathon. But like I think it's nice for
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  everyone to experience the sort of atmosphere around the city
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  when that happens because like the Gold Coast is still like one
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  of the highlight races for me, my running like just the whole
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  atmosphere around the place and the fact that they've liked the
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  five K 10K half and full. I think it's a great idea.
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  Yeah, everyone's a winner, aren't they?
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  Because you race a 5K or a mile on the road, and if that's just
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  a meet by itself then probably the the crowd and the atmosphere
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  isn't really too much. But throw in as part of like a
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  marathon weekend and you benefit so much from all the crowd and
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  energy over there. And then you get to stay and
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  watch the marathon on usually the climax of the weekend too.
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  And vice versa for those doing the marathon like you've got
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  time to kill on the Saturday. Probably like looking to occupy
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  some mere mental thinking space. So you just go and stand on the
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  roads edge and watch all these amazing races.
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  It's pretty fun. Fun way to throw it all
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  together. Was interesting because I
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  noticed that Cuba Tea as well as Connor Manse also seems to be
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  over there in like some sort of ambassadorship type capacity.
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  They were doing like a shakeout run with is it like heartbreak
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  run or back group over there? And I'm sure Boston is a it's an
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  Adidas sponsored race, isn't it? But these are all like Nike
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  athletes. It's but I'd say like that, that
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  heartbreak run group or whatever they're called, I say that's a
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  massive like part of the Boston running community.
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  Like, fair enough that the event is sponsored by Adidas and I
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  think that the leads get some Medicare, like Boston American
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  Care, it's pretty good. But yeah, I think that
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  heartbreak, wrong group. That's massive.
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  Just a comment on the men's mile results.
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  Did you see who was in second that Isaac bastard?
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  Do you recall him? I don't know if anyone's
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  followed the Adam Fogg videos over time, but isn't that isn't
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  that his training partner that they used to go 1-2 in a lot of
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  their videos together when they ran for Drake University?
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  I don't think I watched him back then.
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  Back then, yeah. So that's OK.
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  So I'm pretty sure like because Adam Fogg did like his journey
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  to the in into the NCAA and his journey through and this guy was
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  often playing second field to Adam in a lot of the like
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  because Drake, I don't think was one of the top unis, but as far
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  as athletics went or middle their distance program, but they
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  would go 1-2. But so the the fact that he's
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  taking a bit of a scalp there, I would imagine that's a bit of a
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  bit of a break breakthrough for him.
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  So that's pretty cool. It's a pretty unique, well, the
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  bits I seen they like round a bend, then I think they've like
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  100 meters to the finish. Like that's just the road racing
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  mile. Like it's not just a nice little
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  Oval track. So them positioning probably
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  plays a big part in it as well. Well, yeah, you see the spread
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  of times between the top six, 9/10 of a second one through 6
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  is. That's pretty cool.
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  Whilst we're at Boston, I've seen photos like the, I don't
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  know how you can tell what the weather's like for a photo, but
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  you know when you can just see a still day like crisp cold
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  conditions, sunshine and just like perfect for running.
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  And when you punch it into the weather app now, given the star
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  is less than an hour away, it's 4°, there's everyone's talking
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  about tailwinds. I don't know which way the wind
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  blows, so I'm going to assume it's obviously behind them. 13
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  kilometer an hour with gusts up to 28.
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  So that sounds pretty fun, but. I did hear, yeah, you did you
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  hear the guys do the preview, the Let's Run team provide their
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  preview. They were commenting on the the
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  favorable weather and in particular the tailwind because
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  I think it's not super often that you get a complete
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  tailwind. But it looked like, at least
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  from a day or so ago, that that's what they were getting,
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  which might be conducive to some fast times, which is good.
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  Yeah, because obviously it's so famous for these hills and like
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  how hard it is. But the American record, well,
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  unofficially was stood there for so long because of a tailwind.
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  They didn't it. So obviously it's possible to
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  run fast if the conditions allow it.
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  Was that Ryan Hall? Yeah, he right.
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  He was about it. What has?
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  Talbi run. Is he 206207?
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  I think I'm so like him with his hell and yeah, could be good,
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  yeah. Istanbul half marathon I don't
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  know if you've been watching the team Macau stuff, but one of the
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  latest videos I watched was pretty good with Ellis cross and
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  they were talking about how he obviously debuted in his
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  marathon in Seville earlier in the run 210 and the reason why
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  well, one of the reason why he moved over to the marathon is
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  because he's hoping to qualify like Jake Smith for the European
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  marathon at this year's outdoor championships, which is a
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  qualifying time of 209 thirty. So obviously he missed that in
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  Seville, but like, we know those are the ways to qualify for
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  these things. So he was chasing some World
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  Athletics ranking points because your points are decided from
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  like the average of your marathon time and your half
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  marathon time within the qualifying window.
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  So he was heading over to Istanbul to run a half marathon
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  and try and put a good time on the board to get some points,
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  which he has done. He finished 12th in the race in
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  6228 and I think I seem pretty happy with that.
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  But he'll probably be sat there now doing like a warm weather
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  dance or something for London this weekend, given how many
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  fast breaths are in the field there.
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  Because no doubt half, at least half of them, if not all of
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  them, will also be thinking about trying to punch a time for
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  the European champs this summer. I think Alfie Mann Thorpe is his
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  main like opposition because Alfie has a faster half and by
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  where by Sunday evening he could have a faster marathon as well.
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  Jake 2. And Jake, how many did he bring
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  3? Yeah, three.
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  Yeah. So I'm Phil, also, well,
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  learning. You've got Phil.
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  You've got. But yeah, it's there's too many
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  good names there that one summer going on the silence.
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  But to be for him to be incentivized to go over to
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  Istanbul and chase these points, they obviously have
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  conversations. He must know like a couple of
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  them and maybe thinking about like another major in the autumn
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  or something and won't really be prior prioritizing the
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  Europeans. Yeah, like, but like some male
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  crass. Do you do Europeans or do you go
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  for a major and get a nice payday?
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  Because I don't think Europeans pay as well as a as a world
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  major because like you've got Patty Deaver as well.
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  Yeah, Jack Crow. Like, yeah, there's so many.
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  Do you think that's why they're trying to do this standalone
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  thing, to find a way of making it more desirable?
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  I think that's part of it. But yeah, but like, it's still,
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  I feel like it's like the World Championships are still going to
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  be desirable. The Europeans maybe not as
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  desirable. Like if you already have a
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  British vest, you're going to pick the money over another one.
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  Really. Speaking of the London Marathon,
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  I just started looking at like the weather forecasts.
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  It's looking pretty good. It's a we're still a ways out
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  right? But looks looks pretty good from
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  what I'm looking. At.
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  A high of 17, low of six wins. You know, single digits, maybe
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  12 K an hour. Yeah.
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  What time do they start? It's like 9:00 or something.
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  London is no don't think it's like super early.
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  Looks pretty good. If it gets to a peak of 50 and
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  that's not you can't say that's warm, can you?
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  It's not bad, I doubt it doesn't.
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  Doesn't look like it's particularly humid either.
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  We'll wait till my race recap where it was 15° on Sunday and
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  I'll tell you whether you can say it was warm or not.
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  No, to finish off the this Turkish half marathon results,
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  the guys, the guy who won it first and second, were twins.
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  Usually I wouldn't comment on people who have no idea who they
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  are, but she's pretty interesting.
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  The pair of Kenyan twins, Alex Matata and Charles Matata, they
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  both run 60 dead and one second. And unlike all the kind of like
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  the posts and social medias and the articles it talks about,
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  like the fact that they won it, as in like they've done it, they
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  won it together. There was no one person who won
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  it like the twins won, but I've seen the photos of them crossing
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  the line and although they had they were rewarded the same
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  time. It's quite clear that one of
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  them crossed the line 1st. And yes, I'm not sure why
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  they're talking about it like this, but maybe they wanted to
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  share the winnings. I think they're probably just
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  now it's easier if you just give them both the same thing.
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  Given they are pretty crazy, it's pretty crazy that you've
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  got twins that run like the exact like darkness accent
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  ability like they're freaking good.
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  Like that's 60 flat for half, like that's.
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  Gone. Yeah.
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  Not only one is worse. The fastest brother combination
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  but I mean the bachelies wasn't. Isn't there a brother of Canisa
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  Bakili? These are twins.
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  These are twins. Fastest.
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  Twins Day, Yeah. Yeah, 27th of July 97.
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  Pretty old as well, like 29. It's not like they're just
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  basting on the scene. Yeah, but I think there's a
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  thing that you don't trust them passports either.
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  They're birth certs. Yeah, but usually they would be
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  saying that they're 19, not 29. Yeah, they're in the scale.
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  Did you see sidetrack that? I don't know why it's in the
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  news. Was going to save this for
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  Double Trouble, but a robot running a half marathon in
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  Beijing? Oh my.
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  God. Why is everyone getting yeah
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  the? Car could drive a fast as well
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  like it's. My mom mentioned this and I said
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  but it'll probably get discussed on the pod.
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  Here we are, we got there. What do you reckon?
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  I don't know. I mean I.
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  Don't think. I think they're more.
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  I think AI is a bigger threat to our jobs.
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  I don't think robots are a threat to our running career.
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  I've seen all over the place. Is it mechanical doping?
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  It's actually hilarious. He's he's about 100 meters away
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  from the finish line. I'm like, there's a Chinese
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  woman like commentating and everything taking it dead
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  seriously and he runs like 90° left into the wall.
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  And some guy runs on with the stretcher.
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  No, I didn't say that. And then there's another fellow
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  comes on with a remote control and they get him up and
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  recalibrate him and off he goes, nails it.
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  Like 40 cases an hour to the finish line.
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  So wait, he can turn like or can he just run in straight lines?
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  I don't know because when he as soon as he crosses the finish
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  line, he comes to like a nice little steady jog stop as a
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  human would is quite weird. But yeah, I think he had the
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  malfunctioning. He hit lactic and just went
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  left. It's a shame we're not segueing
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  into your running race. No may I need to get some fuel?
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  I had another one there, Vienna City Marathon, but I'm going to
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  skip that because don't know the participants play.
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  With the winner. Yeah, Mr. Kip Rosich.
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  It's for anyone. Who is Fanny Kip Rosich, One in
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  two, 0653. That's.
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  Why you snooped it into the results?
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  It may have been newsworthy that Fanny Fanny won.
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  Guys, but it's not, not just like Vienna City Marathon, like
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  not a big marathon. And the winners run like 206.
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  Yeah, it's just crazy. I just read your comment about a
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  comment above this. Yeah, I may have left that one
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  in there. Just just get his name.
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  How did you come across that? Yeah, Where'd you find that?
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  You just World Athletics just on a deep dive.
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  You know I never let one result get past me.
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  Got to audit them all. Oh, we know.
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  That's thorough. So on the subject of which,
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  we'll head to the Brian Clay Invitational.
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  Yeah, I can. Or did you want to give that a
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  run on? No, you're happy for me to
• 24:11
  mention we mentioned this because had Tom Samuel, I think,
• 24:18
  appeared on our news feeds, well, it definitely appeared on
• 24:20
  mine. But he broke the NCAA record for
• 24:26
  5K outdoors. He bet it by a couple of
• 24:29
  seconds. He ran 13 O3.
• 24:32
  Looking at the results, it's a big weekend of racing, racing
• 24:35
  this Brian Clay Invitational, but we've just picked out a
• 24:39
  couple of the results. So yeah, Hab Tom was the winner
• 24:42
  in 1303. Here's a ways clear.
• 24:45
  Second was Den Dennis, Kevin Get It in 1313, and Tavern Kitchen
• 24:51
  was third in 1316. But yeah.
• 24:56
  Produced on a on a outdoor track.
• 24:57
  Was there? Yeah.
• 24:59
  So I think the guys are opening up there.
• 25:02
  A lot of the US university or NCAA athletes are opening up
• 25:08
  their outdoor seasons by the looks because there was a
• 25:10
  smattering of results over various parts of the US.
• 25:16
  And so, yeah, this is a like this is a largely there was like
• 25:24
  a series of races like this is one of multiple 5 and 10K races,
• 25:28
  1500 meter races, but largely attended by like the top 4 all
• 25:35
  UNI athletes, NCAA athletes. He must have this must be his
• 25:40
  last period of eligibility. Have Tom, would that be right?
• 25:44
  I see. I don't know.
• 25:48
  So probably 12 masters that I'm keeping there for another couple
• 25:51
  of years. Yeah, he's.
• 25:54
  Definitely been around for a little bit, but I mean, that's
• 25:56
  pretty rapid time and 10 seconds clear.
• 25:58
  It's pretty impressive to start your season.
• 26:00
  He seems to have picked up about 5 different records in the past
• 26:04
  12 months, doesn't he? Like he's been just cleaning
• 26:06
  them up? Absolutely on one.
• 26:09
  And then on the women's side, Jane Hen heading the ground
• 26:14
  butchered her name. But that's AI.
• 26:16
  Think a familiar name in recent times.
• 26:20
  The BYU athlete was the winner in 1450.
• 26:22
  She was 8 seconds clear of Lexi Halladay Lowry in 1458.
• 26:30
  But yeah, probably the two most notable 5K runners at the minute
• 26:36
  in the NCAA system running pretty very solid times.
• 26:41
  So 15 by yourself as well. It's pretty impressive in it.
• 26:47
  And she's really young. I think this is her like first
• 26:50
  year in college or to call them sophomores or something like
• 26:55
  that. And then the other result we're
• 26:58
  going to cover is the men's 1500 meters, the elite field in
• 27:04
  there. Sam Gilman was the winner in
• 27:08
  334, followed by Colin Solomon in 336.
• 27:14
  So yeah, he was a couple of seconds clear running at PB and
• 27:19
  closing in 54. So closing just just closed over
• 27:22
  the top of everyone else but Ryan, this one came to your
• 27:28
  attention. Yeah, yesterday afternoon we got
• 27:31
  the we got the tag from Evans Jaeger in the post saying easy
• 27:37
  double pod, you should get some Gilman on the show.
• 27:40
  So I've said we should tear up indeed.
• 27:44
  So we'll try and bring the analysis and unpack that race to
• 27:50
  you. Courtesy of this chat with Sam
• 27:52
  Gilman. I think some gallon he's he's
• 27:55
  very interesting background as well.
• 27:56
  I think he was always pretty good, but now he's after, I
• 27:59
  think he's with Grant Fisher's coach now and he trains a lot
• 28:02
  with Grant Fisher. So it'll be interesting.
• 28:05
  That'll be a really good interview.
• 28:07
  Yeah, say what he attributes the improvement to.
• 28:13
  Yeah, pretty surreal. Yeah, Brocker.
• 28:17
  Probably sprouts. Jeez, what?
• 28:22
  We flew through running news there this week.
• 28:25
  The big ones still to. Come, there was one in, there
• 28:28
  was one in Ireland. There was sort of a marathon,
• 28:32
  half marathon over in Connemara. So you 2 guys want to look up
• 28:36
  what Connemara looks like. It's over on the West of
• 28:41
  Ireland. And yeah, it's it's pretty, it's
• 28:46
  pretty remote. And both the winners in the the
• 28:53
  winners in the lads what I'll go women first in the women's half
• 28:59
  winner was Elizabeth Meyer, who is friend of the show, and she
• 29:04
  ran one hour, 27 minutes and two seconds.
• 29:08
  Second was Emir O'Leary, who ran one hour, 27 minutes, 34
• 29:13
  seconds. And then third was Jane and
• 29:17
  Healy Meehan who ran one hour, 27 minutes to 42 seconds, so
• 29:24
  pretty tight up near the front. And then on the lab side #1 the
• 29:32
  winner was John Banner who ran 7039.
• 29:38
  Second was Michael Brady who ran 71 O eight and third was failing
• 29:42
  again, who ran one. Our we're around 71 and 47.
• 29:51
  I'll go to marathon now as well. The marathon.
• 29:55
  Backs are back weekends. We've got listeners over in
• 29:58
  Ireland winning races. It was dear Grady the week
• 30:01
  before, wasn't it? And now Elizabeth.
• 30:03
  Yeah, it's good, isn't it? Yeah.
• 30:06
  Where did you say the place was? Oh, and I'm trying to look it
• 30:09
  up. It's kind of.
• 30:10
  It's spelled CONNEMA or A. OK.
• 30:18
  Oh yeah, got it. It's yeah, looks beautiful.
• 30:24
  Yeah, it's really, really nice. Just a pain to get out there.
• 30:29
  And on the marathon side is won by Marcus Angustan who ran
• 30:35
  23944. Second was Brian Gernan who ran
• 30:40
  25220 and 3rd was Darren Morgan who ran 25325.
• 30:46
  And then on the women's side, Eva O'Hare won in three hours 10
• 30:52
  minutes. Second was Mary Lawyer who ran 3
• 30:56
  hours, 20 minutes and then third was Mary Claire O'Donnell who
• 31:00
  ran 3 hours, 27 minutes. Now there was an ultra.
• 31:05
  Do we want to dabble in the Ultra?
• 31:08
  Go on. Yeah.
• 31:10
  I'm on the male side. It was on the male side, it was
• 31:14
  Pierre Duverness who ran 4 hours 29 minutes and second was
• 31:23
  Brandon Conaway who ran 4 hours 44 minutes and 3rd was David
• 31:27
  Power who ran 4 hours 58 minutes on the women's side one day.
• 31:33
  And how far did they run what? What was the ultra do you know?
• 31:37
  It's an ultra, just not one distance.
• 31:40
  I think I always thought ultra was just a loose term to being
• 31:45
  anything over a marathon. So for example, like Comrades is
• 31:50
  90 KS. Some of them are.
• 31:53
  What did they have over the weekend or two weekends ago?
• 31:56
  We had the delirious W which. I think 100 and 200 miles.
• 32:00
  Yeah, 200 and 320, guys. It's 63.25 kilometers.
• 32:08
  Wonder how they came up with that.
• 32:10
  Yeah, got 39.3 miles and then. These results would have been on
• 32:19
  the end of a double trouble in the past.
• 32:22
  We appreciate the first episode. It burnt any ultra runners.
• 32:28
  That the get guy they're women's Nicola Hickey Crow, she won it
• 32:33
  in five hours 26 minutes. Third.
• 32:36
  The second was Nave Ocalen, she won, she ran five hours 37
• 32:41
  minutes. And then third was Adrian
• 32:45
  Adriana Batabar, who ran five hours 40 minutes.
• 32:50
  But on this, like, I still think running lot like for running for
• 32:55
  five hours, like nearly six hours, that is super, super
• 32:58
  hard. Like, not saying that, I'm just
• 33:01
  saying running faster is harder. What about running?
• 33:08
  What about running fast and long?
• 33:10
  That's The Who and there's a guy and give me a second.
• 33:17
  Well, you find in that the penny might have dropped with the
• 33:20
  distance. Is that three half marathons?
• 33:23
  Is that the distance 21.09? Yeah.
• 33:27
  There you go. Yeah.
• 33:29
  I've been talking to, you know, Joe Turner, he listens to the
• 33:32
  podcast. He was over in Ireland, he was
• 33:33
  doing like 100 kilometer race and he's still running like 4
• 33:38
  minute kilometers for like 100 kilometers, which is like fast
• 33:44
  and like super long, which is just, yeah, mind boggling.
• 33:48
  And so, yeah, it is incredible, but I'm just.
• 33:51
  Saying she is changing. You, you and him have come full
• 33:56
  circle then because you upset him with solo ones and but.
• 34:04
  They're saying that like sore is probably really good.
• 34:06
  I just think it's very expensive, like, yeah.
• 34:11
  There we go, Dean. Is that some growth?
• 34:13
  It's. I don't.
• 34:14
  Know if I like it? He's just he saves all the
• 34:19
  controversy for the No Agenda show now.
• 34:23
  I've got a bit of controversy, John do that Nike freaking
• 34:27
  picture to the Nike poster that was up in where was it up?
• 34:34
  Was open. I think this is the UK.
• 34:37
  Is it Boston or the UK? Outside Newbury street store
• 34:41
  probably is the probably is America but apparently it said
• 34:49
  runners welcome, walkers tolerated or something like that
• 34:53
  which apparently people got really angry about.
• 35:00
  I just want to get your guys opinions on that because I think
• 35:04
  it's the biggest load of fucking waffle ever.
• 35:07
  I keep going so soft and sensitive, like it's a sign,
• 35:12
  like it's not that deep. I think it's a bit ridiculous
• 35:17
  because the sport is literally called running.
• 35:20
  Like, yeah, you can. You can choose to walk if you
• 35:23
  want, but it is running. And that's kind of what the sign
• 35:26
  says. Like running runners welcome,
• 35:30
  walking tolerated. But people now will just use any
• 35:34
  excuse to boot off about something.
• 35:36
  So because they were able to take a free shot at night and,
• 35:40
  like, pretend like they're outraged and rarely offended by
• 35:43
  this. Like, ultimately, the people who
• 35:45
  are complaining, they don't really give a shit themselves,
• 35:49
  but they don't even realize, Yeah.
• 35:53
  So it's just like a chance to have a moment, but then you will
• 35:59
  levels outgoing and. I'm sitting on the fence here.
• 36:04
  Look no. I probably, I mean, did they
• 36:08
  need to say it? You know, could have found
• 36:10
  something else to say why they're being provocative.
• 36:15
  And they were famous the other year for like some like sick
• 36:17
  quotes on these signs, weren't they?
• 36:19
  Like they kind of don't about going viral, but there's a few
• 36:22
  signs like put about here and there and they were like quite
• 36:24
  inspirational or quite thought provoke him.
• 36:27
  But yeah, maybe they've just gone with the wrong angle on
• 36:30
  that one. But yeah, runners are welcome.
• 36:36
  I imagine there's no people listening to this podcast about
• 36:39
  running who walk because if they did, they wouldn't care about
• 36:43
  running so well. I mean we all walk like but.
• 36:50
  Shit, where are we up to? Probably leads us into training
• 36:55
  weeks. Oh do we want to we can talk
• 36:57
  about the race was was rare. So on Sunday I had my first race
• 37:05
  in 51 weeks. To the day in fact, because
• 37:09
  Ballarat Marathon is a week, well, next weekend, and that was
• 37:13
  the last time I pinned on a bib. So yeah, I guess I can.
• 37:19
  I'll recap the race, how it went and then I'll tell you my
• 37:22
  thoughts and feelings. And feel free to call out any
• 37:26
  excuses because I don't want any excuses and feel free to
• 37:30
  question my thought process at any point.
• 37:34
  If I'm not looking at you and you're trying to get my
• 37:37
  attention, just interrupt me. So yeah, this is 10K on Saturday
• 37:42
  round the river in Perth here literally AK away from the flat
• 37:47
  perfect conditions, 15° dew point of 10, which basically
• 37:54
  means humidity is a non factor and a very slight headwind for
• 38:00
  the 1st 3K, which means that once you cross the first bridge
• 38:04
  you have a very slight tailwind for K is 4567 so around 33.
• 38:11
  Oh, oh, I think officially I could claim 3258 because that's
• 38:15
  the chip time, but I mean, neither here nor there won't be
• 38:19
  getting OMICU on the back, so I'll just go with 33.
• 38:23
  Oh, oh, because whatever. And yeah, the plan was I thought
• 38:27
  in my head maybe on, I thought I could maybe run 30 to 30, but
• 38:32
  the I was always thinking I'll just start nice and
• 38:35
  conservatively won't do anything in this headwind, settle into it
• 38:41
  and then press in the back half and see what's left.
• 38:46
  So yeah, when I upped that long stretch there on the promenade,
• 38:50
  it's like pretty much as well promenade on the waterfront.
• 38:53
  It's like a straight road for 2 kilometers pretty much before
• 38:57
  you get to the bridge. So I remember looking up around
• 39:01
  800 meters in and I could obviously, because it's only 800
• 39:05
  meters in, I could see everyone who was had to me at that point.
• 39:09
  And I decided to count the number of people because I was
• 39:12
  like, this is, it could be quite funny because there was a lot of
• 39:16
  people ahead to me there and I knew that there wouldn't be that
• 39:18
  many by the finish. So I was in 19th after AK and
• 39:24
  yeah, people got after it. And I soon realized around the K
• 39:30
  marker that my watch wasn't set up to have kilometers splits
• 39:34
  automated on it. So if I was like going for a PB
• 39:40
  or something that would have been like massive panic
• 39:42
  stations, it would have threw me off mentally and I would have
• 39:44
  started to worry. But I was like man, that just
• 39:48
  kind of incentivizes doing this to fail and just like race those
• 39:53
  around me and see what I can get.
• 39:56
  Anyway, so first Ki think was like 3/23/20 up to the bridge
• 40:04
  and then I was feeling this feeling pretty easy.
• 40:07
  Which is. A good sign.
• 40:09
  And then we goes over the bridge and I can start to hear the
• 40:13
  people around me starting to breathe a bit, but I was still
• 40:17
  feeling pretty easy. So the third case is at 317 over
• 40:20
  the bridge. And then once you get off the
• 40:23
  bridge, you've got a bit of a license to squeeze or press or
• 40:28
  like open your race up there at that point kind of thing.
• 40:32
  And that kind of naturally shakes a few people out of the
• 40:36
  group because those who've maybe gone out a little bit hard, as
• 40:39
  soon as people start pressing at that point, they, they can't go
• 40:44
  with it. So I think going over the
• 40:46
  bridge, there's a few photos and with about 8 people and I had
• 40:50
  the easy double single on. There was a cross wind at that
• 40:53
  point. There's a few photos where my
• 40:55
  nipples exposed because the sink, it's been blown across my
• 40:59
  chest like this. So then yeah, once we got off, I
• 41:05
  was like, right, OK, feel good, Let's kind of go to work a
• 41:09
  little bit. Again, no split.
• 41:11
  So this is purely off field and around 316 K, 4316K5315K6314K7.
• 41:21
  But in all honesty about this, between 6:00 and 7:00 K, I'm
• 41:27
  starting to think, oh, this is it's getting a little bit
• 41:31
  uncomfortable now. And my heart rate, Dean, you
• 41:35
  love heart rate. So first Ki, remember looking
• 41:37
  down some point early on, I think it was when we're on the
• 41:40
  bridge and saying like 170 something.
• 41:42
  And I thought, oh shit, that maybe it shouldn't be that high
• 41:46
  yet. But from the second K it was
• 41:50
  170. And then all the way up, well,
• 41:53
  the ninth K even it was 172. So I think I'm just lacking a
• 41:58
  bit of conditioning to suffer when it gets hard because when
• 42:03
  it did get hard around that 7th K, you know, when you start to
• 42:08
  approach narrows, that's when like the what's the the word?
• 42:13
  Like the your mental chimp, the little monkey in your brain.
• 42:18
  He was starting to come into my brain and say you should just
• 42:22
  back off now. This is like hard.
• 42:24
  It's not worth it. Like you've got a incline coming
• 42:28
  up up the bridge and you're racing these two people like
• 42:31
  don't do it. It's it's too hard, like
• 42:34
  whatever. So by that point, yeah, there
• 42:36
  was three of us who were running down me, Renee and I think a guy
• 42:39
  called Cam. There was a couple of young kids
• 42:41
  on the bikes. They must have been his mates.
• 42:44
  They were like kind of following along.
• 42:46
  And then every time they would appear he'd be gone.
• 42:48
  Cam go camp. So that was quite fun.
• 42:52
  It was keeping me honest. But then as we approach the
• 42:56
  bridge, I actually let those two, despite the fact I'd like
• 43:00
  kind of led all the way along the RIP waterfront, I let those
• 43:05
  two pass. And that was because I was
• 43:07
  thinking I'm going to let them go because this is too
• 43:11
  uncomfortable. On so on that borderfront
• 43:15
  section where you, because that's where one of the timing
• 43:19
  mats, you know the 5K timing mat is and it says to your 9th going
• 43:23
  through that mat. So you started at 18th year now
• 43:26
  up to 9th. Is that including those people?
• 43:29
  Like are you catching still catching other people?
• 43:34
  Not really, maybe one or two like some lad hard luck term he
• 43:38
  went the wrong way. There's like a bit where
• 43:41
  typically you would want run just straight, but they're like
• 43:43
  doing some construction there. So you have to like run out and
• 43:46
  around and back in and rather than taking like a sharp right,
• 43:50
  he just went straight. And then I think he kind of like
• 43:52
  gave up a bit, which as you would, maybe we caught a couple,
• 43:57
  but I think maybe it was just the like the way the group had
• 44:01
  gone through the time and matter something.
• 44:04
  Yeah, 1635 I think was the halfway split and I think even
• 44:09
  then I remember looking at my watch and seeing 1635 and going,
• 44:15
  OK, what's double that 3310? And at that point even I was
• 44:19
  like, Oh yeah, well, it's not going to be 3230 because there's
• 44:22
  no chance I can press 40 seconds from here.
• 44:28
  So, yeah, coming back up onto that bridge, I let this Renee
• 44:30
  and Cam go ahead and they they kind of, I don't know if they
• 44:35
  said so. I just like proper backed off
• 44:37
  the first incline because I was giving up a little bit.
• 44:40
  And then next minute I was behind them again.
• 44:43
  And I think we're still going up the incline at this point.
• 44:46
  I think they tried to like race up a little bit and then there's
• 44:51
  there's no real respite from a bridge AK into a race.
• 44:56
  It's the hardest part of that race is that part getting up
• 44:59
  onto the Narrows I reckon. Yeah, because it not that it
• 45:04
  never ends. It is relatively short hill, but
• 45:06
  then even once you kinda peek at your legs have just been taken
• 45:11
  out from underneath you, you, your cadence and your stride
• 45:14
  that you've just been in such a rhythm coming down the
• 45:16
  waterfront has just been riven. And you go from having that
• 45:20
  tailwind to then you're now about to start heading back into
• 45:25
  the wind a little bit. And you know, as you're going
• 45:28
  and, and it's a gradual rise up as well.
• 45:30
  Like it's a really tough, it's a really tough last quarter of
• 45:34
  that race from about 7 1/2 KS onwards.
• 45:37
  It's pretty, yeah. It's not, It's not a smooth
• 45:41
  finish. And then they kindly have an
• 45:44
  eighth kilometre marker like. Placed.
• 45:46
  On the bridge. I remember.
• 45:48
  Yeah, so cool. Just when you're feeling you're
• 45:51
  absolute worse, they like, you know, by the way, there's 20% of
• 45:55
  this race left. But surprisingly, once we got
• 45:59
  down the bridge and round and under, I started to feel like
• 46:04
  pretty good again, like pretty quick from how I was feeling so
• 46:07
  bad. And then for some reason I kept,
• 46:11
  I was still behind them, like right behind them.
• 46:13
  I kept like drifting out a little bit and almost thinking I
• 46:16
  was going to go round. And I was like, why?
• 46:18
  Just waste like way too long. Yeah, you might as well just sit
• 46:22
  here. Time is out the window anyway.
• 46:24
  Just give yourself the best chance to at least finish ahead
• 46:27
  of them. So I did stay behind them for
• 46:32
  maybe another 500 meters or so. And then we got to the point
• 46:35
  where I figured it was about AK left to go and I was feeling
• 46:40
  good. So I was like, right, I said
• 46:43
  past them like quite hard. And then after about 10 seconds
• 46:47
  I was like oh shit, this is this is way too early to hold this to
• 46:51
  the finish. So then I I almost gave up on
• 46:54
  the set and let them get back. On to me where?
• 46:57
  How far out are you starting to sort of kick the home?
• 47:01
  So you know that like last tunnel that you go under and
• 47:05
  then you turn Oh. Shit straight out there.
• 47:07
  Before the tunnel through that little wooded bit, by the way.
• 47:12
  Yeah, yeah, still quite a bit of quite a bit left, isn't there?
• 47:16
  Oh yeah, so then as we come out the tunnel, one back behind them
• 47:21
  again. That's like a cycling like
• 47:26
  eventually, like I'll show these guys, I'll take a turn and then
• 47:30
  you just feel the headwind and then you're, Oh no.
• 47:34
  Point as well is probably like where I'm having the most fun
• 47:37
  that I've had because it was like this is like proper racing,
• 47:40
  like we're all like playing our cards and we're just going blow
• 47:43
  for blow. No one could hold anything that
• 47:46
  do a try. And and then to be fair to Josh
• 47:50
  was SAT just outside that tunnel there and he gave me a good
• 47:54
  shout and then next thing you know I've gone again.
• 48:00
  Thanks, Josh. But also again, I'm too far away
• 48:02
  from the line to hold this. But I think from that point I
• 48:06
  did, I think Renee start as a fade for the last K and then
• 48:12
  this Cam guy, he was kind of like just a couple of seconds
• 48:15
  back, but like with me the whole way.
• 48:19
  And there's a guy in front, Dooku, you know, the young kid,
• 48:22
  that front runner, he was doing the session with us the week
• 48:24
  prior. He'd been ahead the whole race,
• 48:27
  him and Tom Ted, you like kind of going back and forth.
• 48:30
  And then I noticed that the gap was closing, closing to Dooku.
• 48:35
  So I was like, right, OK, I'll try and I'll get him and then
• 48:38
  that'll be me done. So just coming on to the last
• 48:43
  little Elizabeth Key bridge, I felt sorry for him because, you
• 48:48
  know, sometimes when you like hair and that much, you can't
• 48:51
  really think we like you disengage, you know, in it.
• 48:54
  It took like a proper wide line going into the bridge and I felt
• 48:59
  like I almost cut a corner to get ahead of them.
• 49:01
  But I was like, well, it's just this is racing, isn't it?
• 49:03
  I'm sorry, but you'll learn next time.
• 49:07
  So then I'm driving up that bridge, comes down the bridge,
• 49:12
  and then he just drifts. I've.
• 49:13
  Seen the footage? I've seen the footage of it.
• 49:15
  Have you seen the footage? He looks like he's walking and I
• 49:18
  was in so much hair. Hey, moving can you say?
• 49:24
  The footage. Oh, oh, the 10.
• 49:26
  Yeah, he moves really nicely. Yeah, does take it.
• 49:30
  I'm not, not to say you don't, but he does look good.
• 49:37
  What a good spring finish, hey? Yeah, so it was, it was nice to
• 49:41
  be competitive towards the end. Like usually you just racing the
• 49:44
  clock and out trying to get like a PB.
• 49:46
  It doesn't really matter where you finish in the race.
• 49:49
  But yeah, it was a different feeling to like be comparing
• 49:52
  myself to others and trying to beat this person and that
• 49:55
  person. Nice ways to come back to it.
• 49:58
  So yes, think I finished 6th and 33 dead bullshit that you forget
• 50:04
  how much it hurts because that was a harsh reminder like
• 50:09
  usually. But when you face, you know the
• 50:12
  feeling when you finish a race and towards the end you feel
• 50:16
  like you're on your absolute limit.
• 50:17
  Obviously you can't give any more than what you've given.
• 50:20
  But then within 60 seconds of finishing you feel pretty OK
• 50:24
  again. And then that's when you start
• 50:26
  to think, oh, if any other done this, like I could have run
• 50:29
  quicker. I was not thinking that
• 50:31
  yesterday. Just like, wow, this is an
• 50:35
  absolute, pure, true representation of my shape right
• 50:39
  now. There was nothing else out
• 50:40
  there. It's.
• 50:43
  A great recap. Can I pass it?
• 50:46
  Did you you go on? No, no, no, but.
• 50:50
  I was just going to say, like the fact that you've not run in
• 50:53
  53 weeks, not done one race and done a handful of sessions to
• 50:58
  then run a 10K where you're you've pretty much nailed like
• 51:04
  those heart rates relative to your threshold heart rate.
• 51:06
  You know, I get excited about that sort of stuff, but it
• 51:08
  sounds pretty much, it sounds perfectly bang on.
• 51:11
  And then you've engaged in the race late.
• 51:13
  Like it sounds very well judged. Yeah, very well executed.
• 51:19
  So yeah, I hope you, I hope you enjoyed it.
• 51:22
  I think that's like you've, you've really only just started
• 51:25
  training again and to pull off a race like that and to judge your
• 51:29
  race effort like you did, I think that's great.
• 51:33
  Yeah, the main thing is that there was, there's no big blow
• 51:36
  up, like there's no blows to the confidence.
• 51:38
  So I'm not walking away thinking like, oh shit, I'm 1,000,000
• 51:42
  miles away. Like I need to do XY and Zed.
• 51:44
  That's just right. OK, that's a solid enough
• 51:48
  result. It is what it is.
• 51:49
  It's an not a reality check because you're never going to
• 51:52
  think that you're going to run a PB off what I've done, but it's
• 51:56
  enough to go, OK, there's work to be done and it motivates me
• 52:00
  to now kind of just, yeah, get my head down and train.
• 52:04
  You can't. All the talk we've done of the
• 52:06
  cycling, it just shows that you can't run and is running, like
• 52:13
  cycling, helps as a little supplement or a supportive
• 52:16
  measure, but when you take running away for such a long
• 52:18
  time, you can't expect to be running fast off purely cycling.
• 52:25
  Yeah. And I think I mean like what
• 52:28
  we're doing on the bike wouldn't lend itself to running a fast 10
• 52:33
  Ki wouldn't have thought like I think what a lot of what the
• 52:36
  bike has been is aerobic endurance and a great.
• 52:39
  And so I think it might lay them late.
• 52:42
  Hopefully what is my hope is that it's a good foundation for
• 52:47
  for what you do. Like even if you're doing your
• 52:52
  base stuff at the minute, Owen, I would imagine you would feel,
• 52:55
  even though it's a lot of running, that maybe you feel
• 52:58
  it's a bit blunt, like you're not sharpening towards anything
• 53:01
  just yet. Like that's literally me to a
• 53:05
  tee at the moment because like I've raised in two weeks.
• 53:07
  So I'm doing a 15102 weeks and I'm sort of like freaking out
• 53:10
  that like I am, I've done literally like I'm hoping to run
• 53:16
  like on like 240 kilometer pace for this 1500 or whatever.
• 53:20
  And I haven't touched any speed whatsoever.
• 53:24
  So yeah, I'm just worried for that.
• 53:26
  Like fair enough. The first lap might be all
• 53:28
  right, but like the 2 3/4 after that might be and might be
• 53:33
  pretty sore, but I am done a long run where a lad is that
• 53:37
  knows that's pretty good at a 1500 which will first half end
• 53:41
  of training weeks and he sort of reassured me that I'm going to
• 53:45
  be all right. So yeah, I'll be all right.
• 53:47
  And I think that's the point with say Ryan's race, like apart
• 53:51
  from like how many times have you spent above threshold, like
• 53:57
  doing work above threshold? Like we would do a healthy dose
• 54:00
  of that well above threshold on a Tuesday every week for months.
• 54:06
  And you've not done one in a while.
• 54:08
  Like there's so much opportunity for you with your training, you
• 54:12
  know, Touchwood, you say fit and healthier.
• 54:14
  So yeah, I wouldn't be reflecting too much on the time.
• 54:18
  I'd be reflecting on making sure your body's right and it felt
• 54:20
  like fun and. Yeah, yeah.
• 54:24
  The good thing is the main thing that I'm happy with is that when
• 54:27
  it did get tough, I didn't shy away from it.
• 54:30
  I managed to stay in it. So the motivation is still there
• 54:34
  and the the willingness to suffer is still there.
• 54:37
  Whether that's a pace that I'm happy at suffering at or just an
• 54:42
  average pace to suffer at are still stuck it out.
• 54:45
  So yeah. And your internal gauge, like
• 54:49
  how well did you judge your effort?
• 54:52
  That's pretty good. Yeah, I was pretty happy with
• 54:55
  that, to be honest with you. Like only four weeks ago I
• 54:59
  wouldn't have been able to lead the rap because I had no idea
• 55:03
  what 2320 felt like on what 330 felt like.
• 55:06
  And there I've just naturally progressed second by second ever
• 55:10
  so slightly. So we have plenty of positives.
• 55:15
  What else come from us? Our well, the easy double
• 55:18
  singlet lasted well, absorbed the sweat.
• 55:21
  Well, some of the Patreon members will be getting the
• 55:25
  hands on them shortly. There was Max Morelli, we had
• 55:29
  one in his size on our hands so he also donned it.
• 55:34
  So there might have been a few, few people out there thinking
• 55:38
  Matt was I or I was Mass and he ran a PB.
• 55:42
  So he's he's in the club. Yeah, seen the single out there?
• 55:48
  It was fun, otherwise very successful events.
• 55:52
  The guys who won, Andrew, well, Andrew Hellbush won in 3044 I
• 55:57
  think, and Thomas Cross was second, 3054 I think they were
• 56:03
  together all the way up to that bridge again.
• 56:05
  So it was good race up the front.
• 56:08
  How did you pull up from it, Ryan, where you saw?
• 56:12
  I was expecting to be a lot worse, like just a little bit of
• 56:15
  DOMS in my quads. But yeah, nothing much going on
• 56:19
  with the heel, nothing much in the car.
• 56:21
  So I don't know, taking a gas toward.
• 56:26
  Yeah, still not going to do anything stupid this week
• 56:30
  because yeah, my body wouldn't have felt anything like that for
• 56:33
  such a long time. And like with the amounts and
• 56:38
  quality of work that I have been doing in the running, if I can
• 56:43
  recover properly from that 10K, that'll just push me on a lot
• 56:48
  more than just what one of these threshold sessions would have.
• 56:50
  So go under my belt and go again.
• 56:55
  I see Dooku, you, you beat Dooku on a net basis.
• 57:00
  Did you see that in the results? So I mean, I finished fifth.
• 57:04
  Well according if you want to take net position as your
• 57:07
  results but. No, he had me even on the phone
• 57:12
  to RAF before the race. He was saying like, oh, Dooku
• 57:15
  might be similar to you. And I said something about like
• 57:21
  we could share the the work race, although I think he'd be
• 57:25
  pretty happy sitting in. And Ralph was like, yeah, you
• 57:27
  give him a shout like to come up.
• 57:29
  And I said, no, I can't do that to the kid.
• 57:32
  He's a young boy on his way up. We can't be asking him to get on
• 57:35
  the front and a 10K. Yeah, I think he's 17.
• 57:38
  Can't drive a car but can drive you around the bridges.
• 57:42
  So I can't take his 5th place off me there.
• 57:44
  Congratulations mate. Yeah this is.
• 57:48
  So that's me. How was your guys week briefly?
• 57:54
  I can mention mine. It's not much to say other than
• 57:56
  bit of a a lighter week. I was a bit sore last week so
• 57:59
  had a had a lot of week. I'm feeling better now, which is
• 58:03
  good, Yeah, just easy jogging, maybe 60 KS of running and maybe
• 58:09
  a bit more than that cycling, so.
• 58:13
  And you're feeling OK to resume this week or still a little
• 58:16
  tentative with her? I'll just see how I go tomorrow.
• 58:20
  I would say ran a couple of times today.
• 58:22
  Things feel a lot better, which is I think everything's fine.
• 58:25
  Like I think I'll, I gotta, I think I'll be all right, but I'm
• 58:30
  just taking a bit of a cautious approach to it because there's
• 58:33
  not much point to I think it's load management.
• 58:38
  And so I just are on the side of being safe rather than dipping
• 58:42
  onto the wrong side of it. Yeah, I had a pretty decent week
• 58:48
  as well. 148 on K, couple of threshold sessions.
• 58:57
  Had a funny Saturday I'd say. People thought I was crazy, like
• 59:01
  2 minute Hells, but I had a girlfriend out aiding was out
• 59:05
  she. So I'd run up the hill and she'd
• 59:07
  drive me down. But yeah.
• 59:09
  And then on Sunday, on Sunday, on Sunday, I ran where Andrew
• 59:15
  Costner, he's flying to Flagstaff now today.
• 59:17
  So yeah, have nice little long run with him.
• 59:20
  But yeah, things are going all right.
• 59:22
  Just need a dance down the right side of that red line and not
• 59:26
  cross it. Look at the directions we've
• 59:30
  gone. I'm getting smacked up by 17
• 59:32
  year old kids and Owen's doing his long runs with national
• 59:35
  record holders talking crazy. The thing that blows God.
• 59:45
  I'm just a bit blown away by what you subjected 18 to.
• 59:50
  I'm still trying to get over the Saturday.
• 59:52
  You go ahead to drive you down, drive you down the hills.
• 59:56
  Yeah, because I taught what if I jog down them, the recovery
• 59:59
  would be too much. Sure, if you're jogging, if
• 1:00:01
  you're the hell is a 2 minute hell when by the time you get
• 1:00:03
  down it's going to be nearly 4 minutes, 4 1/2 minutes.
• 1:00:07
  So, umm, I the way she drove me down, I'd my rest was only 2 1/2
• 1:00:11
  minutes for a 2 minute effort. And so in my head.
• 1:00:15
  That was, yeah. I mean, look, I love the
• 1:00:24
  commitment. Yeah, the things we do.
• 1:00:30
  That is just like people have been running hills for decades
• 1:00:33
  and that math is just simple. Like it's in change depending on
• 1:00:37
  the length of the hill. Like, you know, I mean, if you
• 1:00:40
  run up a 32nd hill and you jog down, it's going to be a minute
• 1:00:44
  jog, but. I feel like that in my head that
• 1:00:50
  recovery was too much. Like 4 1/2 minutes is a long
• 1:00:53
  time. Like imagine doing a rap on a
• 1:00:55
  track and you're for 4 1/2 minutes.
• 1:00:57
  Like that's a long time. Before this one or?
• 1:01:02
  No, I should have. I was talking to Andrew about it
• 1:01:07
  and he had a similar session on the Wednesday and he was like,
• 1:01:10
  yeah, I just jogged down and I'm like, shit, I'm an idiot.
• 1:01:16
  By the way, we can get into that in the episode later on the
• 1:01:19
  week. They do say in terms of, you
• 1:01:22
  know, like angles and force, like you're never loading,
• 1:01:25
  you're never smacking your legs up more than when you're running
• 1:01:27
  downhill. So in terms of, you know, you
• 1:01:30
  are dancing a bit of a lion in terms of, you know, de risking
• 1:01:34
  that. But I couldn't even post the
• 1:01:36
  activity on Strava because. You're in behalf of.
• 1:01:40
  It when she was driving down the IT was running.
• 1:01:42
  It was like was in a 140 like kilometer paste.
• 1:01:46
  So when I finished the activity, it was like, congratulations,
• 1:01:49
  you've run fourteen O 3 for 5K and like 29 flat for 10K.
• 1:01:55
  So yeah, I delete the activity. Couldn't be having that.
• 1:02:02
  But yeah, decent week. All right, well, if you want to
• 1:02:05
  hear more about Owen's girlfriend driving him over the
• 1:02:08
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• 1:02:27
  I did have a shot. No meal on Sunday, actually half
• 1:02:30
  five in the morning. Actually quite like the taste of
• 1:02:33
  it, you know, weirdly, it's nice.
• 1:02:36
  It's not bad, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  It's not like that. In one shot, John's better.
• 1:02:42
  In one shot, 2 two shots. It can be all time that move,
• 1:02:49
  but do you remember what was the what's the stuff in those
• 1:02:52
  bottles? It tastes like pool water.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah. Ketone IQ K times.
• 1:03:00
  Now that tastes fuck me. Unpleasant.
• 1:03:02
  That knocked you out that. Shit.
• 1:03:07
  So yes, no, no, me are much more pleasant, much more palatable.
• 1:03:12
  Even though that ketones that sort of died off, that trend
• 1:03:15
  hasn't. It I haven't heard much of it.
• 1:03:21
  Oh, and you've got a few items here in this the news.
• 1:03:25
  Oh, yeah, So those new women's European 10K record on the road.
• 1:03:30
  So if you want to run a fast 10K, where do you go?
• 1:03:34
  Spain. So this time it was the north of
• 1:03:37
  Spain, outside Bilbao in a place called Lardo.
• 1:03:41
  And there was another 10K. And then Clara Lukan from
• 1:03:46
  Slovenia, you've probably seen her.
• 1:03:48
  She got like ready orangey hair. And she's the first woman.
• 1:03:52
  She's the first European women woman to ever break 30 minutes,
• 1:03:56
  and she broke it pretty well. She ran 2950 to be the first
• 1:04:02
  European woman to ever get under 30 minutes.
• 1:04:05
  And then worry Leonard from Macau was also in that race.
• 1:04:09
  He came third and ran 2757, which, yeah, he'd be happy with
• 1:04:16
  that one. It's a good result after he
• 1:04:18
  would have been pretty disappointed with his 10K on the
• 1:04:20
  track. I find it hard to contemplate a
• 1:04:26
  Slovenian woman has just gone and been the first woman to do
• 1:04:30
  that ahead of battle. Classy.
• 1:04:31
  A Slovenian woman who I wasn't all too familiar with but she's
• 1:04:36
  got fast times across the board. Like she's run 6343 half
• 1:04:41
  marathon 14455 K. But still those two don't.
• 1:04:48
  They wouldn't equate to sub 30 would do.
• 1:04:50
  That's by far the standout performance.
• 1:04:53
  Our 63 is better, isn't it? No 6643.
• 1:04:57
  Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I know women are better.
• 1:05:03
  I don't really know but it's fucking fast.
• 1:05:05
  Like I only better by 6 seconds in Valencia.
• 1:05:09
  That's where I put it in my head.
• 1:05:11
  Let's see what. She's done.
• 1:05:15
  She finished fifth in the European Chimps.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah, fair play Sir. I have seen her though.
• 1:05:23
  When you sent the post through with that red hair she looks
• 1:05:25
  like semi familiar. Then I think we can all be happy
• 1:05:33
  with this on the Turkey transfer, so all them athletes
• 1:05:37
  that we're trying to transfer to Turkey for like money and
• 1:05:40
  they've all been blocked. So World Athletics have finally
• 1:05:45
  and copped on on them. Yeah, they've blocked.
• 1:05:48
  I remember there was like a Jamaican Sprint or a few Kenyan
• 1:05:51
  marathoners. Yeah, all them have been
• 1:05:53
  blocked, thank God. And which is?
• 1:05:56
  Yeah, it's just good for running.
• 1:05:57
  I'm surprised they could do that.
• 1:06:01
  What transfer or block them? Block them.
• 1:06:06
  Are you what? Well, like, like let's say the
• 1:06:14
  EPL, like you're not subject to a salary cap.
• 1:06:17
  You can sort of open market get who you want to play for you.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah, but this isn't like that. Like running is different.
• 1:06:25
  You have to be from like these are changing like nationalities
• 1:06:30
  with no ties to the country. Like at least who can Declan
• 1:06:33
  rice or Jack reelish like their grannies or whatever are Irish
• 1:06:38
  or from the UK. So fair enough they played on
• 1:06:40
  Reg or Ireland but they have English relations.
• 1:06:43
  These guys have no affiliation with Turkey.
• 1:06:46
  But what if your country is terrible?
• 1:06:49
  It's at allowing you to participate in a competition and
• 1:06:53
  other countries will allow you. That's life.
• 1:06:58
  They're not. They're from Kenya and freaking
• 1:07:01
  Jamaica. They're just going for money.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah, more money in the sport. Being let go Mace, this is bad.
• 1:07:12
  I'm I'm just sharing my view there, I'm not trying to stir.
• 1:07:19
  I think it's it is good for the sport that World Athletics stood
• 1:07:22
  in because they cannot do this. You cannot buy athletes you're
• 1:07:25
  not buying could change your nationality without any ties.
• 1:07:31
  Like Charles Hicks. He's basically like his mother,
• 1:07:35
  father, American or whatever. Fair enough.
• 1:07:37
  He grew up in England, but he has American ties.
• 1:07:39
  He can go, umm, I'm not even that Zohair Talbi guy.
• 1:07:44
  I don't think I'm too on board with that.
• 1:07:46
  Like a lot of these runners are actually doing that in America
• 1:07:49
  now. Like they go to college over
• 1:07:50
  there and then they're able to change like allegiances.
• 1:07:53
  Like I just don't get it. Like even there was a bit of
• 1:07:57
  topic habiton change moving to America or something like that.
• 1:08:01
  Well, yeah, why would say he's tried to.
• 1:08:03
  He's hit that many standards now and Eritrea won't let him
• 1:08:07
  participate at an Olympic Games or World Championships.
• 1:08:13
  Like, yeah, like, that is very, very tough, but like, you have
• 1:08:16
  to go back to their federation. And why?
• 1:08:18
  Why aren't they Lanham? Yeah, I think if it's done in
• 1:08:22
  the right spirit, but like you said is probably isn't in the
• 1:08:24
  spirit of athletics. Fair enough.
• 1:08:27
  They literally came out and said we'll give you such and such if
• 1:08:31
  you transfer and such and such. If you get a medal like I think
• 1:08:34
  no get fucked. And I think some of the
• 1:08:39
  countries involved were those who were like bidden for major
• 1:08:43
  competitions in the next like 5 to 10 years as well.
• 1:08:46
  When they say they were like starting to look ahead, boosting
• 1:08:50
  their profiles and chances of medal.
• 1:08:52
  And if they were to host like a world champs or an Olympics,
• 1:08:57
  does that take us to London, then ship it's?
• 1:08:59
  London Marathon this weekend. We're on the subject of which
• 1:09:05
  we're recording the final London call an episode pre the race
• 1:09:09
  this Wednesday, so very excited to talk to the lads there.
• 1:09:12
  I'm not sure how how open they'll be, the bag of nerves,
• 1:09:16
  bag of excitement, or somewhere in the middle, but if it's
• 1:09:20
  anything like the previous chats, it should be good fun.
• 1:09:25
  Hopefully you guys can help steer me with some good
• 1:09:27
  questions. We have to change the name of
• 1:09:30
  that. It's like London, London slash
• 1:09:33
  Yamagata calling. That's not bad.
• 1:09:37
  I think Jason would be pretty open.
• 1:09:39
  Jason is pretty open. While he's like he shows all
• 1:09:42
  those freaking VO2 Max tests and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:09:44
  I think he'll be pretty open, but while he's going to aim for.
• 1:09:48
  They feel similar in fitness. Jake.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, Tim. That we've decided each other a
• 1:09:53
  lot, I'd say. Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  So hopefully they can find, they'll probably be getting a
• 1:09:57
  sense for what the pacing groups will be will be out.
• 1:10:00
  So hopefully there's something suitable.
• 1:10:04
  I wonder what's going to happen now a male crashes out because
• 1:10:07
  Alex, she was going to be kind of pace him to a British record,
• 1:10:10
  wasn't he? So Willie just yeah.
• 1:10:14
  That was the talk, wasn't it? Because he was true.
• 1:10:17
  Was that to return the favour basically?
• 1:10:21
  Yeah, she's got a bit of a preview here.
• 1:10:24
  I don't know if we can try and pick a winner, which if you look
• 1:10:28
  at any single one, the elite field, it's probably, if not the
• 1:10:32
  best, one of the best marathon start lists ever been put
• 1:10:35
  together. Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  This. This is outrageous.
• 1:10:39
  Hey, this field like because we're looking at like those
• 1:10:42
  Boston fields and remember, we'll commenting on how stacked
• 1:10:45
  they are. But like this is, this feels
• 1:10:49
  like it's a little bit on another level.
• 1:10:53
  Yeah, I reckon so. So it's headlined.
• 1:10:58
  I mean, they've got to put someone at the top of the list,
• 1:11:00
  haven't they? Whether they do it but
• 1:11:01
  deliberate or by accident. Sebastian Solway comes in top
• 1:11:06
  with a PB of 2O2. He won London and Berlin in
• 1:11:11
  2025, both 2O2 runs, and he won Valencia in 2024 as well, so
• 1:11:17
  he's run 2O2 three times. He's him and John Korea.
• 1:11:24
  Arguably I like the most inform reliable male marathoners on the
• 1:11:29
  planet. Then next you've got Jacob
• 1:11:33
  Kaplimo who's run 2/02/23, the infamous half marathon world
• 1:11:39
  record holder Ham run 5642 illegitimately in Barcelona and
• 1:11:45
  then done it again 5720 in Portugal earlier this year.
• 1:11:49
  Last year in this race, he was second in a 2:03 on his debut.
• 1:11:53
  He then went on to win Chicago later in the year, Olympic
• 1:11:58
  bronze medal in the 10K double, Commonwealth gold, bronze champ,
• 1:12:03
  bronze medal at the World Champs and won world cross country four
• 1:12:08
  times. He then got Theresa Galassa,
• 1:12:11
  another 2O2 man. So there's three men in the
• 1:12:13
  field who have PPS of 2O2, which like if you get the day for it,
• 1:12:19
  if there's three guys who have run 2O2 before, why wouldn't
• 1:12:24
  they be trying to go? And now have a look at two
• 1:12:27
  hours. Anyway, Theresa Galata, he's
• 1:12:31
  maybe a little bit of a step down in terms of form.
• 1:12:34
  He was fifth in the Paris Marathon 2024, second in last
• 1:12:38
  year's Tokyo last year around 5 marathons and DNF three of them.
• 1:12:43
  So don't be surprised if this guy, if he isn't having the day
• 1:12:47
  once he just steps off. He's second in Valencia in 2024
• 1:12:52
  and he won Seville in 2024 and two O 3 Capruso, Amos Capruso,
• 1:12:59
  he's a PB of two O 3. That's from 2022.
• 1:13:02
  So going back a couple of years now, he is a previous winner of
• 1:13:06
  this race though he won in 2022, run 2O four and then he DNF the
• 1:13:11
  year later. He was second in Chicago last
• 1:13:15
  year and his podium that a major five times.
• 1:13:18
  The next guy down and the final one I'll give detail for because
• 1:13:22
  surely one of these five are going to come away with the win.
• 1:13:25
  Tamrat Sola actually don't write off some of the debutants, but
• 1:13:29
  we'll get the Tamrat Sola 20339 PB.
• 1:13:34
  The reign and Olympic champion from Paris World Championships
• 1:13:38
  winner in 2022 won New York in 2023 and he ran 2:05 in January
• 1:13:45
  of this year, so only a few months ago to win the race.
• 1:13:48
  So if that's not a sure sign of what form he's in, I don't know
• 1:13:53
  what is. And there was a period where
• 1:13:55
  Tolow was considered the best marathoner in the world as well,
• 1:13:59
  given he's the reigning Olympic champion.
• 1:14:02
  Things change fast. And the other guys on the elite
• 1:14:05
  start list, you've got Petros, Geoffrey Cam, War War, Joshua
• 1:14:08
  Chapter guy, Paddy Diva, Peter Lynch, Tim Vincent, Jake Smith,
• 1:14:13
  Mark Scott, Phil Sessman and then a couple of very exciting
• 1:14:17
  debutants in Yarmouth. Kajalcha, who was the long time
• 1:14:21
  half marathon world record holder.
• 1:14:24
  I think even earlier in his career he was the mile world
• 1:14:27
  record holder for a while. Gabriel, he Wet and Alfie
• 1:14:32
  Manthorpe from a British perspective also making debut.
• 1:14:35
  A lot of excitement around him. So I guess we need to answer 2
• 1:14:39
  questions. Who wins the race overall and
• 1:14:42
  who is the first male Brit? I think Sebastian Sawy wins us.
• 1:14:52
  I think every Martin he's ran, he's nailed.
• 1:14:56
  And then first Brit, I'm going for, I'm going what has Patty
• 1:15:08
  Diver run for half I? Don't know.
• 1:15:13
  Did he run the Houston half? It's.
• 1:15:16
  Probably around 60 low or something like that.
• 1:15:18
  I think around 6011 or something.
• 1:15:21
  I it's like, is he better than Phil Sussman?
• 1:15:24
  Is this his debut? It's Patty Diver.
• 1:15:27
  This his debut. Now he brand new and I remember.
• 1:15:30
  He didn't, he finished get elevated to 3rd in New York so
• 1:15:35
  he's podium did a world major. Yeah, I'm putting it on a Beaver
• 1:15:40
  first, Brett. Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  Coming over from America as well, it probably feels like a
• 1:15:49
  little bit less, less pressure than the likes of Sessman, who's
• 1:15:53
  run this race like three or four times in a row now.
• 1:15:57
  And he's like, Sessman's got such a big profile within the
• 1:16:00
  UK. Paddy Diva can almost fly under
• 1:16:02
  the radar a little bit. But I think Peter Lynch beats
• 1:16:06
  all the Brits. You reckon?
• 1:16:09
  Oh, and. I know it.
• 1:16:12
  As he ran 59 this year, As he. He ran 5956 in 50. 9, 5952 and
• 1:16:21
  was just ahead of Paddy Diva who ran 5956 so did get him that
• 1:16:26
  day. Peter Lynch, New Irish Records.
• 1:16:32
  The Irishman come and spoil the party.
• 1:16:35
  Yeah, I like that. As a guest, he's bringing the
• 1:16:38
  party. Dean, where are you?
• 1:16:43
  London. Yeah, well, I don't want to go
• 1:16:47
  the same as Owen. I mean, how good is it going to
• 1:16:54
  be that lead group as long as the pace is not suicidal, Like
• 1:17:00
  because Gebrahe, what? Didn't he run the second fastest
• 1:17:03
  time ever in like one of those? It was like Monaco Diamond
• 1:17:09
  League two years ago around like 1236 for 5K Kajelcher's like
• 1:17:20
  what's he just come off the back of?
• 1:17:21
  Was he he just got out sprinted, didn't he, by Gressier or was
• 1:17:26
  it? Yeah, which which was it, 5 or
• 1:17:28
  10K that he just got out kicked in the chance?
• 1:17:32
  Oh sure. He I think he was in that race
• 1:17:35
  in France as well. Was he that fast one that Grezi
• 1:17:37
  around 12:51? Was he?
• 1:17:40
  I don't remember him. Or maybe he wasn't.
• 1:17:44
  But like, I mean, those guys are outrageous, but I just they're
• 1:17:49
  not proven over the to be different.
• 1:17:52
  I I I'll go keep Lamo just to take someone other than subway.
• 1:18:00
  But yeah, I think that that probably makes sense.
• 1:18:06
  Kid. Lamo is what just come out and
• 1:18:09
  ran another ridiculously fast half marathon.
• 1:18:11
  Looks so smooth. So Yep, that's where I'll go.
• 1:18:18
  And then in terms of first Brit, I'll go.
• 1:18:22
  Can I go Paddy Daver? Yeah, I'm more Peter Lynch.
• 1:18:30
  All right, I was also going to go Kaplino so as gutted that you
• 1:18:33
  said them, but I'm going to I'm going to stay on him because I
• 1:18:35
  do think he's going to do it. Like you say, he's that, he's
• 1:18:39
  got a couple under his belt now. We've bizarrely on debut.
• 1:18:43
  There's almost expectation or perhaps for so that he might
• 1:18:48
  break 2 hours and then he runs like 202 or 203, whatever, and
• 1:18:53
  it's seen as a little bit disappointing.
• 1:18:56
  So he's got the experience of completing a couple of
• 1:18:59
  marathons. He's run very close.
• 1:19:03
  Well, he's run a time that would win this race many years.
• 1:19:07
  And like you say, he's just run that 5720 half marathon world
• 1:19:11
  record. So I think he could be could be
• 1:19:16
  about to serve one up here. In terms of the breadths, I'll
• 1:19:23
  go Sassman for the not fairy tale, but he's almost the
• 1:19:29
  homegrown hero, leading Brit along alongside Mohammed
• 1:19:34
  Mohammed. I'll change.
• 1:19:36
  I might change my Brit. I'll go Jack Smith just because
• 1:19:39
  I feel like he's a sniff and we got to back our man in.
• 1:19:45
  He is but. He's genuinely a chance.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah, on his day like them boys are going to wear hot I think as
• 1:19:53
  well and Jake will like I think he's guaranteed gauges effort.
• 1:19:57
  So yeah, I would not put it past them absolutely now.
• 1:20:03
  I'm too easily convinced I want to jump on the bandwagon with
• 1:20:07
  these as well. Like a cut.
• 1:20:08
  A confident Jake is a dangerous Jake.
• 1:20:11
  Maybe assessment maybe is a little bit too much work.
• 1:20:16
  Over the past 12 months he's raced multiple marathons.
• 1:20:19
  Jake Smith's going to be hungry as anything for this.
• 1:20:23
  What time do we think first Brit is going to come in like new?
• 1:20:27
  What's the British record most? OK, so maybe not that, but maybe
• 1:20:31
  what would we see a 2O62O7? See, I think he ever has it.
• 1:20:38
  But I was shame. That's what I assume.
• 1:20:40
  That's what Patty Davis shoots for.
• 1:20:41
  If he's run 60 flat for 1/2, he goes out at 3 minute K pace,
• 1:20:45
  assuming that pace groups are there.
• 1:20:48
  Because apparently Alfie Manthorpe, he was on about that
• 1:20:50
  two O 930, that European standard, and now he wants to go
• 1:20:54
  at two O 8. And so it's just going to be
• 1:21:00
  such a good race. And I hope, I hope to God they
• 1:21:03
  put cameras on these labs and we're not just stuck looking at
• 1:21:07
  freaking 4 Kenyans just run away with it.
• 1:21:11
  I hope they do it well. At least at this race.
• 1:21:15
  Like I mean like Cam Wara, Petros, Tola, keep Ruto Galata,
• 1:21:22
  keep limos away like Gabriel. What could you like?
• 1:21:26
  They're not, they're people we've, you know, the sport have
• 1:21:29
  followed for a long time. It's not people that are
• 1:21:32
  unknown. So no matter which part of the
• 1:21:35
  race you're looking at, you're going to be entertained.
• 1:21:39
  But the Valencia, you know how the Valencia broadcast though is
• 1:21:43
  a bit exceptional where they're, they're renowned for getting
• 1:21:46
  national records and their commentators are cutting a bit
• 1:21:49
  to those. They're panning through the
• 1:21:51
  field to them. I worry that we don't get the
• 1:21:54
  same coverage, particularly for the the GB, not even the home,
• 1:21:58
  you know, home fans to watch. I think there's there's almost
• 1:22:03
  the danger of these races producing such depth.
• 1:22:06
  They're going to start tending to Japanese style, aren't they?
• 1:22:09
  Were like everyone agrees to just absolutely send there and
• 1:22:14
  then it's a bit of a war of attrition.
• 1:22:16
  Like a couple of people fade and step off.
• 1:22:19
  It's not their day, but those that do make it get something
• 1:22:23
  exceptional because you almost know, like if you stood on the
• 1:22:28
  start line with all of that talent, you're going to have to
• 1:22:32
  do something exceptional if you're going to like finish high
• 1:22:36
  up really. On the women's side, do we is
• 1:22:42
  just going to be how? No Berry, I'm guessing.
• 1:22:45
  We go reverse order for pics or. Yeah, right.
• 1:22:51
  So it's happened by Tigs de Safa.
• 1:22:54
  Former world record holder to 1153 Sufan Hassan is returning
• 1:23:00
  from what feels like an eternity.
• 1:23:02
  She's gone. Oh, she's gone.
• 1:23:04
  Pulled. Out.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah, yeah. So second seed is Jocelyn Jack
• 1:23:10
  Cos guy 214 flat. Is.
• 1:23:13
  She there or she gone as well? Nah, she Perez, Jeff Churches
• 1:23:18
  she has. Pulled out as well because.
• 1:23:21
  The can do is a conspiracy that like I seen remember, sent it
• 1:23:26
  through and it's like if you know you're going to fail a
• 1:23:28
  test, then you avoid the test. So like when it was announced
• 1:23:33
  that she wasn't racing to his theories that yeah, she's just
• 1:23:37
  stepping away from the limelight, which if you think
• 1:23:40
  back pre everything that came out with Rich Roof Chapman, get
• 1:23:43
  it, when she announced was at London last year, she was due to
• 1:23:46
  race as well. And she said like.
• 1:23:49
  She didn't have the mental capacity for it or something.
• 1:23:52
  And then a couple of months down the line there's the right was
• 1:23:56
  on the wall. So yeah, then we've got Helena
• 1:24:00
  Berry 21741 Digitu as in row 2/17/58.
• 1:24:08
  And then from a British perspective, Charlotte Perdue
• 1:24:11
  222, Rose Harvey 223 Abby Donnelly 224, Irish Mccolgan
• 1:24:17
  224. Just one of George Julia
• 1:24:20
  Peternion, the Uruguayan bronze medallist from World Champs.
• 1:24:25
  Should that be a write up? Wouldn't it if after changing
• 1:24:30
  allegiances from UK going to Medellin for Uruguay, she then
• 1:24:35
  comes to the London Marathon and spoils the party from them?
• 1:24:44
  So it's a safer Jeff Cos Guy O'berry on paper, isn't it?
• 1:24:48
  They're the three. So this is paste race, isn't it?
• 1:24:53
  Yeah. I wonder what O'berry will do in
• 1:24:56
  a paste race. Surely she's she ran the legs
• 1:24:58
  off your one in New York. I think O'berry wins this one.
• 1:25:03
  That's exactly what that's where my head was going.
• 1:25:06
  I just, I just wanted to beat you to the tip.
• 1:25:08
  But like, the way she ran, the way she absolutely brain that
• 1:25:13
  field, which was like sticking it to the world cross country
• 1:25:18
  champion who stuck it to everyone at the world cross.
• 1:25:23
  I don't know. She looks on another planet.
• 1:25:25
  So yeah, maybe SFR is probably the only potential challenger,
• 1:25:31
  do you think? Yeah, she's the the reigning
• 1:25:36
  champ from last year. She won it in 250 and 50.
• 1:25:41
  And she's the former world record holder as well, right?
• 1:25:43
  When she ran that 211 in, where was that?
• 1:25:48
  Was that Berlin in the Adidas shoe?
• 1:25:50
  Yeah. Who won who?
• 1:25:53
  So in the Olympics or in the World Championships?
• 1:25:58
  His son won. It was Oberian Osafa as well,
• 1:26:02
  wasn't it? Who won?
• 1:26:03
  Who won? A Dark day I.
• 1:26:05
  Think so. I feel like maybe a furious
• 1:26:08
  third. Would that be right?
• 1:26:10
  Yeah, again, it's going to be good on.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, Olympic Games silver medalist is a SEFA.
• 1:26:17
  OK, so I didn't know we read that day.
• 1:26:20
  I think Jeff Churches she the Olympic champion, no.
• 1:26:25
  Oh, is this world champs or is it?
• 1:26:28
  Do you remember Hassan done the triple?
• 1:26:31
  Oh yeah? Was that world champs or was it
• 1:26:33
  Olympics? That was a little.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:26:38
  So who won that one? Because I think three of them
• 1:26:42
  were together in that one. Yeah, I have memories of that
• 1:26:48
  little small Jeff chair, Chair just pulling away.
• 1:26:51
  But that could just have been another major.
• 1:26:55
  Let's have a look. Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  She Jeff Chichi won. I don't know in Tokyo.
• 1:27:02
  Jeff Chichi won Tokyo. Yeah, it went Hassan, Asefa,
• 1:27:07
  O'biri. OK, Hassan and Hassan and Asefa
• 1:27:11
  were the ones. Remember when they banged into
• 1:27:13
  each other round in that corner? Yeah, that was good.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah. So sugar maybe Asefa hazard
• 1:27:21
  then? Seth has a chance, but her beery
• 1:27:23
  looks in outrageous shut. That half marathon was
• 1:27:26
  ridiculous and she knows how to you'd back her in in a fight in
• 1:27:33
  a scrap. I reckon The thing is if she's
• 1:27:35
  going to win she's going to have to probably run a decent PB.
• 1:27:40
  Yeah, but that's only because she's just run so many of those
• 1:27:44
  Boston, NY double S in the American races.
• 1:27:50
  All right, then I'll go Safa for the differential if used to
• 1:27:53
  aside and with her beery. And then on the GB side, who are
• 1:27:58
  you going run? I'll say Irish Mccolgon is going
• 1:28:02
  to get a day and maybe break 220.
• 1:28:06
  I think, yeah, that would have to.
• 1:28:10
  She'd have to be the favorite by a bit on the GB side, right?
• 1:28:15
  Yeah. Like she's just come out and
• 1:28:17
  run. Well, she run, she's run 6708
• 1:28:20
  this year and 3008. Like if you put in in context
• 1:28:29
  Abby Donnelly's run, 3222, Rose Harvey's run, 72 minutes for the
• 1:28:37
  half. Yeah, they don't quite compute.
• 1:28:41
  No, unless it's Charlotte, but you in any in in any.
• 1:28:47
  I don't think so as she was honest.
• 1:28:50
  She's on the start less. She ran in Ireland, yeah.
• 1:28:52
  She ran in Ireland the other day.
• 1:28:54
  She ran like a 60 minute 10 mile or something.
• 1:28:59
  I think it was Doc Sonya O'Sullivan one.
• 1:29:02
  She ran 60. Yeah. 60. 1/4 or something then
• 1:29:06
  she. Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  So no, I think Irish Mccallgan all day long.
• 1:29:11
  Yeah. If yeah, if Hailish gets to the
• 1:29:15
  to the finish line, she she probably won't even see some of
• 1:29:18
  the these British girls, like she's probably in a pace group
• 1:29:21
  ahead of them, isn't she? Yeah.
• 1:29:27
  Clear the Diaries Sunday evening, we'll be tuning in.
• 1:29:31
  And then, yeah, the the stars of the London Calling show as well,
• 1:29:35
  Tim Vincent and Jake Smith. I don't really want to call a
• 1:29:39
  winner between them two, but at least we've got both horses in
• 1:29:43
  the race. Both the.
• 1:29:45
  PB that would be, yeah, that would be, yeah, that's what
• 1:29:50
  you're. Hopeful.
• 1:29:51
  And then like once you come on the show for a Row 2 series,
• 1:29:54
  you're guaranteed to PV. So yeah, we just need to start
• 1:29:57
  off with two PBS and we're good. Either that or you end up
• 1:30:01
  running acadine so there's multiple pathways open.
• 1:30:09
  YouTube Diaries. Have you boys been on YouTube
• 1:30:11
  this week? I've been just looking at all
• 1:30:15
  the Boston like sort of the last recaps Ingroy Linklater had one
• 1:30:18
  chain and Young had one. Izzy was posting I think 2 weeks
• 1:30:23
  ago. I've been just like eating
• 1:30:25
  through all that sort of stuff. You love it.
• 1:30:27
  I didn't realize how big Boston Marathon was and they just
• 1:30:31
  everyone speaks so highly of it. It's yeah, definitely one for
• 1:30:34
  the bucket list it. Would be a buzz, wouldn't it?
• 1:30:38
  Yeah. It's it's easy to like not get,
• 1:30:41
  not think about it all year. But then when it comes around,
• 1:30:44
  yeah, you do kind of get like sucked into it in a little bit.
• 1:30:48
  It's a little bit infectious, isn't it?
• 1:30:50
  Like especially Americans or OTT only.
• 1:30:53
  And then when when something like that comes around, the OTT
• 1:30:59
  Ness kind of rubs off on me and I get sucked into it.
• 1:31:03
  I was even. I was looking at the couple of
• 1:31:06
  hours ago, I was looking at the there's a stream of them, like
• 1:31:10
  they're in the hotel and like they've lined the corridor of
• 1:31:14
  the hotel and they've got like people would like pom poms and
• 1:31:17
  then the elite athletes like walk through to get the boss and
• 1:31:21
  like people are just like roar and cheer.
• 1:31:23
  And it's just so yeah, Americanized and.
• 1:31:25
  But still, it looks unbelievable and.
• 1:31:29
  Shit. So yeah, it's it'll be off by an
• 1:31:31
  hour, won't it? See if you can pull up any early
• 1:31:35
  split. It hasn't.
• 1:31:36
  The wheelchairs are off, the guys are, I think it's 36 and so
• 1:31:43
  6 minutes time, I think they go off 37.
• 1:31:48
  The have you watched the the highlight package of the 2018
• 1:31:55
  Boston Marathon, which has Yuki Kawuchi feature?
• 1:31:59
  Blocks, yeah. That's that's the legendary one.
• 1:32:03
  Yeah, it's like my favorite. It's like one of my favorite
• 1:32:07
  marathon montage videos. It's got over 1,000,000 views on
• 1:32:12
  YouTube. It's a good one.
• 1:32:13
  If anyone fancies it, it's bad weather, tough.
• 1:32:18
  Japanese Mantis. And what do they call it?
• 1:32:21
  They call him the citizen runner.
• 1:32:23
  He used to run like a marathon every other weekend.
• 1:32:25
  I think he's got some sort of record.
• 1:32:27
  What's he? He's done over 100 sub 2 to 20
• 1:32:29
  marathons I think. Is he still going now?
• 1:32:33
  I know he's running like last year and stuff.
• 1:32:35
  Was he active this year? I don't know, I've not started
• 1:32:37
  to cross it but. I'll tell you what my YouTube
• 1:32:41
  Diaries is for the week. Have either of you seen Justin
• 1:32:47
  Bieber and Coachella? I have.
• 1:32:50
  I was. Do you know I was there 2010
• 1:32:53
  years ago? Where you yeah, you had line.
• 1:32:58
  There, it's like the weekend. Maybe Beyoncé, Eminem.
• 1:33:04
  I think they were some of the headline acts.
• 1:33:07
  Well, those were the days. Might have been Avicii or
• 1:33:11
  something like that. Cargo.
• 1:33:13
  How was it? Was it full influencer stuff
• 1:33:16
  then or not? Not so.
• 1:33:17
  Much. Yeah, yeah, it's all about the
• 1:33:19
  outfit. But yes, his his YouTube
• 1:33:23
  contents pretty top tier, wasn't it?
• 1:33:25
  He basically did a show from his YouTube algorithm.
• 1:33:31
  It's genius, isn't? It it's pretty cool.
• 1:33:34
  Because apparently sold all the rights to like that is early
• 1:33:37
  music. So like technically if he just
• 1:33:40
  pulls it up on YouTube and sings over it, it's just doing
• 1:33:42
  karaoke. So it's a big a few to the music
• 1:33:46
  label. Yeah, very clever.
• 1:33:49
  You know, I, I have seen him back in the day in Manchester
• 1:33:53
  and it was one of those shows where he was obviously a little
• 1:33:56
  bit mentally unstable because the crowd were obviously like
• 1:34:00
  screaming girls. They were singing.
• 1:34:03
  And he obviously had his earpiece in and he must have
• 1:34:06
  been able to hear himself singing because the crowd are
• 1:34:09
  that loud. And he like seen his ass said
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  something. And then 5 minutes I walked off
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  the stage and then about half an hour later reluctantly came back
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  on and finished in like awful manner.
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  Just clearly couldn't be asked. But he's a reformed man now and
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  I'm, I'm here for it. I do love this music.
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  Yeah, believer. Is that what they call it?
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  Yeah, something like that. I was shaking his head.
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  You know, into Bieber. No, Mike, because my girlfriend,
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  she was 18, she was on about that Coachella thing as well.
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  And she like, got up to like, freaking listen to this.
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  And like, I don't fully comprehend how much of an impact
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  he had on, like, young girls when they were growing up.
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  Like, they absolutely loved him like prime Justin Bieber.
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  And yeah, because I just, I don't know, I felt growing up, I
• 1:35:11
  didn't really pass any hidden on like for, for.
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  This teenage girl, it was like, he's a world, he's still pretty,
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  he's pretty dreamy for most people I reckon.
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  Look at him, well put together, great voice.
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  Can he run? Probably not Harry Styles.
• 1:35:32
  Has gotten covered in a marathon Double trouble, anyone?
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  When you went with the sign, didn't you?
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  Yeah, you were going to grow up. I had one as well and I wrote it
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  down. No shit.
• 1:35:51
  What was it? I'm blanking on myself.
• 1:35:56
  Extreme, you porno. Yeah.
• 1:36:04
  It's getting to that time. No, if the double troll comes
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  back to me, we'll do it on the No Agenda show and I'll try and
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  go hard on which we'll also, we can recap Boston fully on
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  Wednesday, so that'll be fun. Otherwise fellas, any last
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  comment or thoughts, We'll be done.
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  We're done. I'm signing out.
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  All right, let's go and enjoy Boston.
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  Yeah. Cheers guys.
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  Good luck. See you guys.