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How can men compete with cameras? | Maintaining Frame 116 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number
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  Speaker 1: one sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: How can men compete with cameras where.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about a bit about this? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's something that's been on my mind
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  Speaker 1: a lot lately. I had a conversation with Lindsay about
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  Speaker 1: solipsism and narcissism. And you know, some people they say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is you know, it's social media or or it's
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, there's just a lot of chit or
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  Speaker 1: chatter around the topic. But I kind of want to
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  Speaker 1: just put my finger on it because I'll be the
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  Speaker 1: first to do misogynist stuff. If anybody I'll I will
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  Speaker 1: take the slings and arrows, and only as a man
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  Speaker 1: can I actually demonstrate that.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a suspicion that we live.
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  Speaker 1: In a take no, no, we live in a time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I didn't want to.
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  Speaker 1: Say society, so I've just said time. We are living
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  Speaker 1: in a time where things are so good, even with
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  Speaker 1: all of this sort of existential thundercloud stuff over our heads.
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  Speaker 1: So many people that live in this part of the
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  Speaker 1: world in the West have it so good that they're
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  Speaker 1: just finding things to be upset about. And most of
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  Speaker 1: those people are women. And I'm going to explain what
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  Speaker 1: I see, and you guys can determine whether or not
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the mark or whatever. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that Allison has talked about this too, So we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be looking at a couple of different things, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of websites. We're going to be talking about a
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  Speaker 1: meme that's going around and this there's actually some academic
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  Speaker 1: work that's been done on this. It's a There is
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  Speaker 1: this phenomenon called the Tokville paradox, which is exactly what
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: I described, like, the better you have it, the more
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  Speaker 1: things you find to complain about. And I think it
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  Speaker 1: contributes to essentially the existence of women like Manifestel and
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  Speaker 1: the people who follow her and adore her. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into that when the show starts. But before
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  Speaker 1: we do that, I'm gonna hand this off to Allison
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  Speaker 1: so she can tell us about the things that we
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  Speaker 1: have to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: So Allison, Allison, you're not I can't hear you.
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  Speaker 1: Why aren't you? Because oh my god?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So once again, we are doing our
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  Speaker 3: monthly fundraiser. It's at the Badger dot com slash support.
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  Speaker 3: We have three hundred and twenty five dollars left to
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  Speaker 3: the month and I want to do big thank you
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  Speaker 3: to Craig c for putting in twenty five dollars. Thank you,
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Craig Sye. And if you would like to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that we can bring you this content, please
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  Speaker 3: do go to feed the Badger dot com slash support.
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  Speaker 3: Just a bit of an announcement, we are going to
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  Speaker 3: be attempting a meetup in Calgary.
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  Speaker 2: The first time in since five years.
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  Speaker 1: Since in five.
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  Speaker 2: Years, it's been five years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Kufa Lope, you know, galloped into our into
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  Speaker 3: our world and know all of our respective lives, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So it's been it's been about five years. And we're
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  Speaker 3: going to attempt to have another meetup in Calgary of
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  Speaker 3: all places, on the twenty eighth of September. So that's
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  Speaker 3: coming up. Put mark that down on your calendars. And
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  Speaker 3: so after we finished the monthly fundraiser, we'll roll it
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  Speaker 3: over into helping to fund the meetup. So once again,
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  Speaker 3: that's the twenty eighth of September. Uh, I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 3: twelve o'clock. If you guys remember, if any of you
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  Speaker 3: were way back then, this is the deep lore. And
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  Speaker 3: you remember when we went to the Calgary Expo and
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  Speaker 3: I was evicted for saying that I think we should
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  Speaker 3: consider men and women when we think think about social ills.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was evicted by essentially a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: me and girl feminists. We had a meet up in
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  Speaker 3: a park beside the Expo, which they subsequently swatted. But
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  Speaker 3: that that park was called the Reader Rock Garden Park.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember that park, Brian. We had cheese platter.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, there were some people.
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  Speaker 1: Actually Lindsay showed well that's when I met her, and
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  Speaker 1: she showed up there with like some kind of uh
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a vegetable platter, but it might
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  Speaker 1: have been a meat and cheese. There was a meat
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  Speaker 1: cheese platter, but there was also vegetables.
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  Speaker 3: I had a bit of a spread. Yeah, and then we,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like we got swatted because.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the cop came out, the police on us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well no, they had two they had two
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  Speaker 3: They had two swat bands. Did you know that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember that. I remember the men in uniform.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very polite came up to us and said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think you guys are fine. You seem
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  Speaker 3: like good people. I'll carry on with your picnic. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that is the place, the reader Rock Garden. Thinking about
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  Speaker 3: twelve on the twenty eighth of September, and what will
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  Speaker 3: happen is we might ming mill around to the reader
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  Speaker 3: Rock Garden. Maybe we'll bring some spread cheese spreads, not
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  Speaker 3: like spreadable cheese, but like spreads of cheese. But we
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  Speaker 3: could bring spreadable cheese.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that'll make a mess, but no platters
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  Speaker 1: of platters of various deli meats and cheeses, along with
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  Speaker 1: vegetables and fruits for those of you who don't partake
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  Speaker 1: of the animal products will probably be there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we'll just mill around the reader
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  Speaker 3: Rock Garden. And then across the road is the Roxbury
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  Speaker 3: Off Leash dog Park, so maybe we'll mosey on over
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  Speaker 3: there later in the afternoon. It'll be very informal, although
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  Speaker 3: I'll do maybe well, maybe we'll have like a little
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  Speaker 3: round table and discuss things of a men's right see
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  Speaker 3: nature in reader Rock Garden, and I'll record that and
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  Speaker 3: make it available to the supporters of that fundraiser. So anyway,
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  Speaker 3: let's get this one done. Feed the Badger dot com
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  Speaker 3: slash support just three hundred and twenty five to go
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  Speaker 3: and then we can start chipping away at the cost
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  Speaker 3: of the meet up in Calgary September twenty eighth, And
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  Speaker 3: I just want to apologize for once again for the
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  Speaker 3: late hour. Oh wait before I continue, if you want
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  Speaker 3: to send us a message at anytime, go to feed
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  Speaker 3: the Badger dot com slash just the tip and we
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  Speaker 3: will read it out, because that's the very best way
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  Speaker 3: for you to send us the comment and the very
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  Speaker 3: best way for you to tip us. And as I
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  Speaker 3: was saying, we're a little late, I guess not too
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  Speaker 3: late for us. I mean it was pretty good. We're
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  Speaker 3: close to time.
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  Speaker 1: Well I moved it up and out, what did I
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  Speaker 1: move it up an hour? I moved it up an hour? Well, kids,
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  Speaker 1: it was originally going to be five o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then then yeah, we started to have a
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  Speaker 3: discussion of what exactly the topic is. Incidentally, I did
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  Speaker 3: my undergraduate graduate artist thesis on this topic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe we can like get into the way back.
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  Speaker 3: Flash for me. Yeah, two thousand and five. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I actually think that cameras are going to
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  Speaker 3: replace men as the other for women, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: they're just so perfect, they idolize so perfectly. But that
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: beats me. I'll go back to why we were a
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: bit late. Yeah, somebody just walked in off the street
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  Speaker 3: and asked us if we had pizza. Oh dare It
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  Speaker 3: was very bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: You should have said yes, yes, yourself.
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  Speaker 1: The dungeon and then give him Yeah, give him flour
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  Speaker 1: and milk and eggs and butter.
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  Speaker 2: You just got to make it yourself. But yes, we will.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't. He wasn't asking us who's like in and
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  Speaker 3: demanding the pizza. It's like, where's the pizza?
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  Speaker 1: Like what?
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  Speaker 3: Not? Not really the place you get pizza in town?
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys have pizza in Kelton's.
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  Speaker 3: Across the street.
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  Speaker 1: Ah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, there's you can get pizza in Kelvington
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  Speaker 3: and Chinese food and donuts. The donuts are pretty good,
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  Speaker 3: so we should probably get into that.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do that, okay, So let us get into
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  Speaker 1: the topic. So again we're gonna be talking about sotolism.
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  Speaker 1: But this is gonna have to come out in the
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  Speaker 1: little in stages. So that you guys can follow my
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  Speaker 1: logic and tell me if I'm crazy or if I
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  Speaker 1: hate women or what. So, uh, okay, so we got this.
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  Speaker 1: There was this does this meme that goes around It's
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  Speaker 1: it's called the po V meme where you essentially, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you show something from your point of view and then
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  Speaker 1: it shows what it looks like. But women are not
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  Speaker 1: doing this meme correctly, and I think that it's high
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  Speaker 1: treason to not do a meme correctly, to get a
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  Speaker 1: meme wrong, and just because we want to prevent women
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  Speaker 1: from ending up getting, you know, taken to the guillotine,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to try to explain to them how
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  Speaker 1: this meme works for their own protection.
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  Speaker 2: So the women don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: POV is a controversial Internet axiom suggesting that women can't
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  Speaker 1: comprehend the meaning of the phrase POV, which is short
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  Speaker 1: for point of view. So it's essentially the memes are
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  Speaker 1: from the perspective of the person showing the meme, you see.
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  Speaker 1: So because of that, because of that, you if you
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  Speaker 1: show yourself in the image, you aren't doing it.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing it from the third person.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So yeah, So, due to a trend of tiktoks,
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  Speaker 1: photos and other short form videos that women can claim
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  Speaker 1: are from their POV although they filmed themselves in the
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  Speaker 1: video in the third person. Of note, there are widespread
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  Speaker 1: examples in which people of all genders misuse the term
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  Speaker 1: in this way. Now, of course, you know your meme
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  Speaker 1: dot com. They're basically running cover. But the truth is
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  Speaker 1: it is a problem in particular with young women because
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  Speaker 1: they want to participate in the memory, but they also
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  Speaker 1: really want to be in the image. They want their
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  Speaker 1: picture in there, they want their face in there. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so here's an example. Actually, Saint Clair on Twitter made
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  Speaker 1: this meme video and she put herself in the video.
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  Speaker 1: So let me I mean, I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: had audio.
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  Speaker 3: Was apparently Ron DeSantis getting ready to leave the house.
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  Speaker 1: You're Ronda Santis getting ready to leave the house.
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  Speaker 3: Body shaming here.
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  Speaker 2: But let's see, well, let's see.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it looks like. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it looks like. So there's the video. Let me
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  Speaker 1: just put it on the screen for you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Oh, she's making fun of the platform shoes an
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  Speaker 4: he wears.
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  Speaker 3: Yeahs short right, because that's so funny. Short man haha.
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  Speaker 1: And this is Ashley Saint Clair herself not getting it
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  Speaker 1: because essentially she is making.
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  Speaker 2: She is making herself the star of the video.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, these these these videos the POV.
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  Speaker 2: Meme, You're not the star. It's not about you.
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  Speaker 1: One of the earliest known posts attempted to explain why
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  Speaker 1: women's inability to understand the term POV was posted by
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  Speaker 1: Twitter user schizo freak on May seven, two, who opened
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  Speaker 1: who opined, sorry, who opined the following and let me
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  Speaker 1: just turn the cameras on here.
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  Speaker 2: What did he say here?
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  Speaker 1: Social media shifted the POV women view life through. It's
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  Speaker 1: impossible for them to return to first person view now
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  Speaker 1: they've become permanent third person viewers. Everything is done for
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  Speaker 1: an audience. They're all starring in their own little dramas.
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  Speaker 2: End quote. The tweet gained over one.
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  Speaker 1: Hundred and three tweets, retweets, and onred thirteen hundred likes
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  Speaker 1: in two years.
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  Speaker 3: It's not really that great.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's actually no, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess like tweets will get buried
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  Speaker 1: over time, so to say that it's across two years
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  Speaker 1: is kind of like slightly unforgiving because like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have tweets that have gotten one hundred thousand impressions,
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  Speaker 1: but they're but they're not getting as many now because
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: I haven't put that was like, you know, months ago, right,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a little bit weird to be like
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  Speaker 1: across this period of time because they disappear.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see some other things people have said here. Here's
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  Speaker 1: one from zero HP Lovecraft. It's hilarious and true that
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  Speaker 1: women think POV means the camera is looking at them.
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  Speaker 1: The only POV that is coherent to either sex is
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  Speaker 1: the male POV, the one that looks at women. Women
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  Speaker 1: know they are objects, they know it in their bones.
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  Speaker 1: So and there's a series of other videos as an example,
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  Speaker 1: but this is like, the thing that's kind of interesting
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  Speaker 1: about it is that there is something to this statement.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna read it again, okay, and you let
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  Speaker 1: me know what you think, Alison, it's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: So the POV thing is obviously supposed to be first person.
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  Speaker 1: You're supposed to be showing something that you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: and telling people that you know something related to what
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  Speaker 1: it is you're looking at from your perspective, because it's
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  Speaker 1: you that's looking at the thing that's you, that's perceiving.
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  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, women are not able to do it.
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  Speaker 1: They have to put themselves in the image. You ever
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  Speaker 1: see the meme that says, like, when men want to
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  Speaker 1: show you something, and it's like a picture that just
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  Speaker 1: says object, and then next to it it says when
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  Speaker 1: women want to show you something, and it's the same object,
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  Speaker 1: but the woman's face is like halfway in the image
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  Speaker 1: because she has to get herselfie in. Yeah, so it's
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  Speaker 1: it's that. But okay, so I'll just read this again
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  Speaker 1: and then you tell me what you think. It's hilarious
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  Speaker 1: and true. It's hilarious and true that women think POV
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  Speaker 1: means the camera is looking at them. The only point
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  Speaker 1: of view POV that is coherent to either sex, so
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  Speaker 1: to both men and women, is the male perspective, the
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  Speaker 1: one that looks at women. Women know they are objects,
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  Speaker 1: they know it in their bones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And this is like I said, I did, I,
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  Speaker 3: honest to god, did a thesis on this in art
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  Speaker 3: school that the natural counterpart for modern women is the camera,
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  Speaker 3: not men. And I didn't mean that as like a
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  Speaker 3: positive thing, And I think I did make get a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more witty and uh, tried to hide my
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  Speaker 3: power level, but that was my that was the ultimate
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  Speaker 3: statement I was making. And that was in like two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and six, before the rise of cameras everywhere and
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  Speaker 3: women basically just constructing these little dramas with themselves at
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  Speaker 3: the center of them. And yeah, it's I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: everybody doesn't want to talk about it because nobody wants
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  Speaker 3: to criticize women or be seen as criticizing women. But
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: it can't be that good for you, like this, this
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  Speaker 3: behavior can't be that good for you, And it's an
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  Speaker 3: indicative that women are actually undernourished when it comes to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: developing a sense of self through their actions. So that
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  Speaker 3: that's that, you know, like first person shooters all action, right,
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  Speaker 3: there's no character, It's all action. That's the thing, you know.
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  Speaker 3: First person is all about your action, not necessarily what
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  Speaker 3: happens to you, but what how how you act, Whereas
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  Speaker 3: when you stand outside yourself and objectify yourself, it's all
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  Speaker 3: about what happens to you. You're what things are, happy,
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  Speaker 3: the external circumstances that are occurring to you. Right, So
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  Speaker 3: it's like a completely different shift in mentality and I
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  Speaker 3: think it reflects. I mean, honestly, people would say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's criticized the women. Sure, but you know, if you
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  Speaker 3: don't criticize women, they don't develop that sense of self,
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  Speaker 3: that first persons sense of self. I guess we could
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  Speaker 3: call it a first person sense of self. They remain
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  Speaker 3: locked in the third person sense of self. And the
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  Speaker 3: only the biggest problem with that is you only got
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of time before the views start drying up.
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  Speaker 3: Like you're not gonna you know, when you're in your
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: forties and fifties, you're not going to be like, you're
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: not going to be in your little goldfish bowl anymore.
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  Speaker 3: These people aren't going to be watching you at that
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: point in time. They're gonna be like, well, what what
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  Speaker 3: have you done with your life?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: How much first person point of view have you engaged
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  Speaker 3: in in your life?
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  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because you know, if if you write or
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  Speaker 3: if you draw, there's a lot of that that just
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  Speaker 3: takes place in pure solitude, right, you know, nobody's looking
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  Speaker 3: at you and it's not about you, it's about what
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  Speaker 3: you're constructing. And you know that just it just strikes
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  Speaker 3: me that creation requires a lot of being able to
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: sit in the first person, so to speak, and just
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  Speaker 3: be by yourself, not being watched, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's an interesting way to put it, and
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  Speaker 1: and so like so when it started getting gating ground
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  Speaker 1: this this uh, this sort of you know, I guess
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  Speaker 1: this conversation that women don't seem to get what POV
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  Speaker 1: means because they have to put themselves in the picture,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of times they'll just make themselves the
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  Speaker 1: subject of the picture, even though they're talking about something
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  Speaker 1: that they're looking at, but you're looking at them looking
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  Speaker 1: at this thing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like say, there was one it was like POV or
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  Speaker 2: on the.
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  Speaker 1: Worst date Ever, and a woman put this video up
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  Speaker 1: and it was the camera was.
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  Speaker 2: On her and she was rolling her eyes.
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  Speaker 1: And her date was like talking about like finance or
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the economy or something something that she wasn't interested in,
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  Speaker 1: and that the people thought, because it was a POV video,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: they mistook what she was trying to say, which was
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that her boyfriend or not her boyfriend, but her date
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: was the worst day ever because he was boring her.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But because the camera was on her and she was
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: rolling her eyes, people thought that she was saying she
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: was the worst date ever because that's the POV, right,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the guy's talking at her, and so like the and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this this sort of some women got upset and they
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: felt like, well, here's an opportunity for us to dig
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on me and blame men for women not understanding the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: POV or or something.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And so we got this tweet from Okay.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Just before we continue, do you don't think they can
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: live their entire life with no criticism? Like, I mean,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: this is the big thing. Like, the big thing is
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: that you cannot criticize women at all, right, not even
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: in a way that might be beneficial at the end
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: of the day. And this is why they don't achieve anything, ladies,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that's one hundred percent why you don't achieve. It is
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: because you don't accept criticism.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it's because we can't call you losers when you
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: don't achieve.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and also you like they like women cannot
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: like one of the best things that I ever learned
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is not to associate being a woman with being a victim.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't like criticism. I don't think anybody
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: likes criticism, but at least it hasn't become an existential
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: horror for me, because criticism means that you are the
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: primary actor, which is absolutely in contradict in opposition with
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: being a victim. So once you identify as a victim,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: you can't be blamed for anything. So I guess that
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: feels really good. You can't be criticized for anything, So
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I guess that feels really good. But you can never
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: improve anything either, all right.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Alex Koshuda made it a tweet where she
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and this is like a blue check mark, not that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it means anything. In twenty twenty four, she says women
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: don't understand POV because they don't watch as much porn
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: or play first person shooters. It's not in my Q test.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: They just don't get to see it in the Categori's bar.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Every day you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Live first person, Alex, don't see it. We're not exposed
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: to it. It's the camera game. People have prevented us
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: from understanding the basic experience of being a human. What
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: am I doing right now? I'm not the camera looking
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: at me. I am me looking at the camera, Alex, like,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: what the hell you know? Does she realize she stand
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: there and she says, oh, hey, these are my hands.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Look at that. It looks like a first person viewpoint,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: What if women did see in the third person and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you're the one that's different, Like, what if women do
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like there's like an invisible eye that floats that's always
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: looking at them and that's actually how they see the world.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: What if that's what it is.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but this is basically
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: what she's doing. She's yeah, no, I know, that's like
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that's mind bending, but this is what she The women
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like this typically fall on is like, well, let's just
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: shame men by saying porn and video games, Like, sorry, ladies,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: but you guys are.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Way more perverse than men are.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And I know it's gonna seem strange, but I seen
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: what the most popular podcasts with women is on Spotify,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and the most popular podcast with men is on Spotify.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And yes, one of these one of these things is
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: extremely sexualized, and one of them is a broad range
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of topics. No, I think the number one male podcast
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is either it's you know these things are they never
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: stay number one forever. But it's basically moving between the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan podcast and the Tucker Carlson podcast, and they
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Tucker overtook Joe Rogan for a while, so it's right
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: right around there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And the female one is this one.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I sent you the link for it was called call
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Me Call Her Daddy, And it's basically just like, here's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a woman that travels and fucks random dudes and she.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Like does podcasts about it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: But you know, men of the perverts, right, I mean,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like it's okay that we're all falling creatures. We all
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: have like our struggles, but let's not pretend like women
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: are that much more puritanical than men.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: So well, they're more puritanical, but not more pure. Yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: let me let me let me just well, I mean
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: this is this all derives from basically judging people around
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: their treatment of women and not their treatment of men.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: But I'm still astounded by that first one, Like we
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: have no experience of first person. Your life is first person?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That is that how little agency we're giving to women,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Like they don't even see themselves out of their own eyes,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: they don't see their world.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: But how do you like, I'm guessing that she's trying
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: to deflect onto men morally in order to protect some
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: kind of ego thing with women as a group and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: that's the other thing. It really drives me nuts, the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: women as a group thing. But really, Alex, did you
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: not notice your life is in first person? Like, you
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: don't have to play first person shooters and watch porn,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: which incidentally, is there a hell of a lot of
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: porn in first person? Like?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it's a genre. Yeah, but like, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't keep up. I don't keep up
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: with the with the times. But there used to be, well,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: there was a category called POV. It's just where the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: camera was.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but my point is that most porn is also
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a third person as far as I can tell.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Probably maybe, Yeah, I haven't looked in a while.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: You don't, like, Alex, your life is in first person.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: You don't need to play first person shooters to experience
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: what first person perspective is. You should have. That should
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: be the first thing you understand about perspective? Is I
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and the fact that you your defense of women makes
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: me even more embarrassed to be a woman. Please stop? Okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: good lord?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Like that?
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Even that even just proves the point. Do you see that?
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I mean? And of course know your mem is caping
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: for women, But her response more illustrates the point that
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: they're making than anything else anything they have said. You
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: see what I'm saying, Alex, You live your whole life
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: first person. You should be intimately familiar with it. You
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: should not need to see it in porn and games
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: to know what first person is. Okay.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So there was a response and it was a try.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I guess it was from very Moisturized, which is a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: pretty awesome name for Twitter, and in disagreement with Alex Kashuta,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: who claimed that, oh.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't watch porn or play video games.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So very Moisturized said, and you guys tell me what
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you guys think respectfully. This is not why women don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: understand POV. They don't understand POV for the same reason
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: they struggle with categorical judgments or abstract reasoning. It's very
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: difficult for them to conceive of object outside of a
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: sollipsistic frame. The fact that male oriented entertainment has POV
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: as a category is more at testament to the fact
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that they find this a more relatable way of looking
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: at the world as a subject, not an object.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Hmmm, conceivoo, just let me look at that. I'm gonna
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: struggle with categorical judgments or abstract reasoning. It's very difficult
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: for them to conceive of objects outside of SYLEPSI stick frame.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I'm actually starting to wonder about that from having argued
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: with a lot of women like they their reasoning is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: inherently seems to be more about moral judgment, like the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the dominance through affecting immorality in your opponent, or rudeness
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: in your opponent opponent, or disgustingness in your opponent, if
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's it's I mean, maybe it's just
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: syllopsistic arguers in general. But I've gotten to the point
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I used to be like, well, I am going to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: analyze this logically, what what is it that makes me
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: an incel madam? And then I realized that's just her
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: conceding the argument that the the the argument has gone
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: past her capacity to reason, and now she's resorting to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: shaming in order to silence or affect dominance. I don't know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: it's difficult for them to conceive of objects outside of
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a slopsistic frame. I would have to sort of understand,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: like a concrete example of that is that like a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: lack of object permanence.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: So no, I think I think that it's maybe there'd
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: be another word that we don't have or we don't
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: know it's.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Not connected to them essentially, or.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially it's solepism.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Ip I wasn't saying that, right. Solepsism is when you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: basically only see things int terms of like how it
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: relates to you and what it means for you. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: maybe in a way this is like an evolved characteristic
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that was useful to women, you know, but now that
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we live in the safest, most prosperous, most abundant time
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: in human history, even with like I said, this sort
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of dark cloud that hangs over everything, these women who
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: are divorced from that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Dark cloud, they don't know it's there right there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: They they're still carrying forward that idea that their experience
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: is like they only see what they like themselves in everything,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and they see maybe even this is why there is
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like this concept of a sisterhood. Maybe they also only
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: see themselves in other women, and so when they stick
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: up for women, they're really just sticking up for themselves
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: through them. And again, honestly, yeah, no, I was just
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: going to say, I'm not saying that this is inherently bad.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I just think that there is a part of it
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that can obviously get out of control, and I think
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that it's only going to be made worse because of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: how safe women are. And that's kind of why I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: wanted to Like what I'm I'm bringing these other things
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: together for is that now I've been saying this for
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a while, I think that western modern Western women have
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it so good.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: They have it so good, but.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: They're so divorced from what it would be like if
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: they lost it that they are complaining about the smallest
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: things and their view on the world is so distorted
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: by this prism of you know, the patriarchy.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like exactly so.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: That they're like looking at the smallest things or even
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: things that aren't bad, but but there's another woman who
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: they think has more than that. You know, they want
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it because they or not, they don't realize like that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: we're potentially on the on the you know, on the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: brink of World War three, which could mean nuclear holocaust.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Because they're wondering about the new phone, they're wondering about
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the new handbag.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They're wondering about.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Like you know, if they're if the boyfriend they're seeing
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: can take them to any place other than cheesecake factory.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason for that is because we
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: our society has done everything it's can it can to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: protect women from discomfort that we have we have damaged
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: their brains in a way.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Personally take the blame for this, but I'm you don't
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Like if you if it's like
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it's like people used to, yeah, go ahead, go ahead,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: jump out.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Everything on this page was not horrifying until we got
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: to Alex saying. Alex's Kashuta saying women don't understand point
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: of view because they don't watch as much porn or
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: play first person shooters. It's not i Q tests, they
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: just don't get to see it in the categories bar
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: every day. She thinks this is a zinger, But you
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: live first person point of view? Alex, Are you unaware
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: of that? Is what I'm getting. That is like, I
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: don't even know if we need to have any go
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: any further. Like that is just Alex. In defending women,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: you have essentially underline the criticism, you know, and and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: you said, yes, this is utterly valid. I mean, because
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: they don't even understand that they live in first person, Alex,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: or at least Alex doesn't even understand that they live
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: in first person. It's astounding. I don't know who put
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: together this know your mean page, But did you think
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: that was a defense?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Well, they are gonna cay for women, But I guess
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that's like the best. Like I don't know, Zinger, they
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: got that. The women got ah. You you're a gooner.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: You're you're addict to the porn.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Heard her, you play a lot of video games in
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: your mom's basement.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Heard her?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Gotcha. Meanwhile, I'm again.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The ability, I'm in the ability to see the world
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: in terms of first person. But you're an insult. Yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I can charge you based on my benefit and my
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: respect for you. It's like, okay, but you still fail.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: You're still presenting something that is, on its surface, incredibly
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: stupid and absolutely a devastating critique of yourself. You have
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: written a devastating critique of your own position, Alex, God
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: save us, all yep, Okay, Well let's keep going then,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: all right, all right?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to talk a little bit about
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that because I had this when I learned about the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: pov meme and how women weren't. They didn't get it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And I think there is something about like men being
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: able to kind of separate themselves from uh, from something
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: so that they can look at it like objectively, no
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: pun intended, without it, you know, making it about themselves. Right.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And this is not to say that there are not
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: solve cistic men or narcissistic men. Obviously there are. But
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in most cases, when men are looking at a thing,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they're looking at the thing. They're not looking at themselves
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: with the thing. They're not thinking of themselves as part
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of that. They're just looking at it in the abstract sense,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and they're you know, sort of like emboldening that. So
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: when they do the POV, you know, then it makes
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: more sense because they're there. I think that it's just
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I guess it's just got like a masculine framework to it.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe that's the issue. But this got me
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: thinking about something else. There is this concept called the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Tokeville paradox. Oops, I got to share this tab to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: show you. And we have a paper on this. There
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: is a paper. This is a paper when does reform
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: provoke rebellion? So we develop a model of reform and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: rebellion to explore Alexis de Tookeville's conjecture that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Reform provokes political unrest.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Our theory emphasizes that reform often must be implemented by
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: local actors with a stake in the status quo. In
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: this setting, we promise of reform represents an implicit contract
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: against which subsequent implementation is measured. When implement Okay, so
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to read all that, but what is
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the torque the Torqueville paradox. The concept is that we
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: we lit So you're in a civilization, okay, and the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: civilization has all kinds of problems. We have like systems
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that we need to put into place so that we
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: can make life easier, so that we can continue to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: grow the population in a safe environment that has some
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: degree of you know, like.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Resources that we can continue.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Right. So, you you know, you're a tribe. They find
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a place the earth is good, they start killing the soil,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: they start building homes, and they start to settle in,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and then they do other things, you know, they bring
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: in the cats to kill the rats, They make the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: space secure, they put a wall around their village, whatever.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And the more of that we get, the more.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Safe and secure and abundant and resource plentiful, and population
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: is growing and you know, and whatever.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: The more of that we get.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: The paradox is over time, as people come into are
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: essentially growing up in the society, and they're separated from
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: how we got here, they are more likely to complain
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and be dissatisfied with smaller and smaller things. And one
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: of the reasons is because they're they're well for starters.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: There is no gratitude because they don't know what it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: took to build this right, so inevitably they're going to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like want to rebel against the system for whatever reason.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Some people might say that they desire hardship, they want
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: things to be bad so that they have something to.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Complain about or whatever.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: But it is paradoxical because it's kind of It's probably
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: happened in the past. It's probably happened in cycles. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: you want to say anything about that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just here for it. Like I think that
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I'm actually really curious how the Torqueville paradox, if I
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: have said that correctly connects to female sylopsism, but not
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: just female syllopsism, because I can see that it would
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: connect in terms of the prosperity necessary to allow women
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: to constantly see themselves in the third person, but and
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: see themselves as an act, like on a little performance
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: in like a one woman play, as opposed to somebody
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: who has to get the pigs mucked and the cows
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: milked and make sure that the beats get pickled so
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: people don't get scurvy in the middle of winter, you
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: know that kind of thing. But yeah, I can see that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I'm what I am a little bit curious about is
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: how this all relates to rebellion. And again I will
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: remind you that even if you cannot see me, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: can hear you.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I am, I can see you.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're saying. So if you get
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: up and walk away.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Wander off to go stretch because you know, migraine, Yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I can still hear you. Yeah, I know. I'm a gimp.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: No, it's all right. I got another thing, another study similar,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and it has a it has a slightly different setup.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to read that out right now.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: So this is another study, the Toqueville paradox, a game
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: theoretic perspective. In this study, we delve into the loosening
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: collapse phenomenon within the framework of Tokeville's paradox, utilizing the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: methodological lens of game theory. Traditionally, Tokeville's paradox posits that
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: revolutions and social unrest are not necessarily most likely to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: occur in the most oppressive and least free environments. Rather,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: they are more likely to emerge after a certain degree
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of political and social relaxation has taken place. This observation
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: raises an evident question, why does social instability unrest tend
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to occur more easily in the environments where the political
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: system has become relatively relaxed and social pressures have been alleviated.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: We seek to explain this phenomenon through the lens of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: dynamic game interactions between rulers and the masses. So let
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: me turn these back on real quick. So that's kind
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of what got my attention, because we've been like responding
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to Manifestel videos and other feminist videos, and these are
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: all women that are pretty well off. You can tell
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: by the quality of the videos by their physical appearance.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: They're healthy, they.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Have money for makeup, they have money for clothes, they're
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: doing well. But they're complaining about patriarchy and capitalism and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: all these things that the supposed you are so awful,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and I think it's because again, when you are so divorced,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of the POV stuff I'm trying to like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: there is a link in my my gut says there's
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a link with my intuition says that, And maybe you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: guys can help me out in the chat because I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: see a link there, but I can't quite explain it. Yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: but I'm just going my gut, this is what I do.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm from the streets, and the streets tells me
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: there's a link here. So anyway, so they're doing really well,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but they're still complaining and and they are. You know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: feminism is a revolutionary movement, whether they tell you this
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: or not. I mean they basically run everything, but they're
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: never finished because it's all about like continuing the revolution,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: continuing the revolution, and they're okay with burning everything down.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: They're okay with burning it all to the ground and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: to start over, because they had this feeling that, like
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the feet they're going to rise from the ashes, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it's all very romantic and stuff. But I feel like
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: this is only more likely to occur in just how
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: they said it when where everything is really good, Why
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: does the social instability and unrest tend to occur more
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: easily in environments where the political system has become relatively
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: relaxed and social pressures have been alleviated. Like women are
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: more liberated now than they ever have been, and yet
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they're more miserable. So just something that I wanted to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: bring up because I think it's it's and here's here's
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you one other thing and then
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: we can like discuss if you like.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: So I got this video and I'm gonna share it,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: share this tab. Here we go.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And this is just a clip from something called the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: MoMA podcast or the MOA podcast. And basically, like guys
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: asking there's a guy. He's asking women on the street
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: how much money a man has to make to date her? Okay,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and only someone who is as removed from reality as
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: these women could make these claims.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And this is kind of what I'm getting at. So
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: let's play.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: This has heard come to be Like it's gonna sound bad.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like like three hundred thousand. I've have to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: say one seven, probably one fifty to a quarter of
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: a million a year.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: What one thousand dollars? Is that bad?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty maybe to two hundred and fifty
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: thousand a year?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: It would be consciously question is this all right?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Are you? I'm gonna keep im gonna play through that.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It's not long. It's like a little bit longer, like
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: maybe thirty seconds. So we'll finish it off. In this
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: conversation day my friend and she was like, you have
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to manifest a husband.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Girl, idea, you manifest God, it needs.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: To be making like six hundred fifty thousand.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: So you said you want five hundred ky.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: But what do you think the median incomes for a
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: three year old?
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Sixty K?
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Seventy K? It is forty five thousand dollars? Oh my god?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I think it's two hundred and fifty dollars.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: What's fifty two dollars? No, it's not.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: The DMM America?
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: What the hell?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: So see this is what? So this is what I'm
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: getting at.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, they just not understand numbers. Well, it is girl math.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But more than that, why I think and I'm being charitable,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I'm being really charitable.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I think women literally are so divorced from how much
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: shit costs they can just make numbers up that sound
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: good and it's based on probably like some celebrity somewhere
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: was saying something about money, or they just see like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: because they're always looking at what people who are doing
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: better than them have and because they're they again I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: think because this is I mean, could it be that
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: this is an aspect or.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: A product of sollipsism.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Could it be that they're just like, well, I know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: like this this amount of money that I made up
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: exists in the world, so I should have it. I mean,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else it could be, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: like like seriously, forty five thousand dollars a year, forty
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: five thousand that sounds great. I could, I could. I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: would be great, like I would at Lindsay wouldn't work,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: we'd have a small place. I'd be super happy. I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: just you know, but these women are like one hundred
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand sounds about writing like it's normal. And
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: it's not just because they don't know math. I think
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it's because they have such a they're so protected from
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the realities of the world that they don't know like
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, like they're just like they're like babes babes
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: in the wild. But anyway, what do you think.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I think that that's insane. I think that ultimately, I
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: think you might be on, you might be onto something
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: with the.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Whole I mean. One of them is like, you got
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to manifest a husband? How do you manifest a husband?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: All right? And if thirty million women are trying to
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: manifest men who are part of that, the proportion of
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: men only is like one percent of all men's there's
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: only like maybe three thousand men. It doesn't matter how
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: hard you manifest. That three thousand men isn't going to
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: be cloned. And as soon as they and if they,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we lived in the world of
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: infinitely and that the problem is here, Okay, the problem
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: is the benefit itself. It is the fact that they
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: are getting comfortable and though they it's like he donic
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: constant hedonic adaptation, they're always getting comfortable with what they have,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: so they want more. And feminism, to speak to what
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: you were talking about with the paradox, has always invited
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: women to believe that they deserve more and that men
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: are keeping it from them. So it is the essence
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: of a continuously like a huge sense of resentment towards
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: society and men because you're not getting everything that you want.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: So instead of telling women, eventually you have to settle.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: You know, there are limitations. You probably can't all manifest
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: that character from Fifty Shades of Gray. A billionaire who's
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: interested in the human Yeah, that billionaire who's interested in
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the human equivalent of Porridge, you know, just the blandest.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: The reason why the thing about Christian Gray is not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: just that he's got everything women want, but it's also
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: from what I heard about people who've read the book,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: women who have read the book must be real, it's
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: also that he is in need of a woman's Yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Like it's like he well, he's like a broken baby
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: bird and like you know, and there and they, So
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: he needs to be nursed back to you.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Know, health by a woman.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: So the woman brings nothing but her empathy, and the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: man has like everything else essentially, So a woman.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Brings nothing but her emotional labor. But how dare he
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: ask for? Okay, okay, fair enough. My overall point is
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I think you got it. Got an idea there that
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: that that feminism essentially is condructing and constructing the conditions
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: for constant this unhappiness because the revolution that pro it
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: proposes will never materialize. You cannot make someone happy if
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: they're always looking for reasons to be unhappy, and feminism
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: gives women constant reasons to be unhappy and to believe
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: that they're owed more, not just that they're owed more,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: like it's you can got to go out there and
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: you know, seize the American dream and go and do
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: hard work or have a great idea, not kind of
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: not ambitious. It's that they are they are owed more
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: by others. First of all, not that they they can
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: go out there and seize it for themselves, but also
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: that if they don't get more, it is because they
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: have been transgressed against, that men have failed and that
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: they are less less morally because they haven't provided this
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: new more for women. And it's her ending like there
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: always is hedonic app adaptation. Once you get used to
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: ten one hundred thousand, you need to get a quarter
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: of a million. Once you get used to a quarter
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: of a million, eat a million, right, it's always hedonic adaptations.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: They're always striving for more. They're never content with what
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: they do have, they never have gratitude for what they
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: do have, and it's like a perpetual cycle of resentment.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm and what's interesting is I was watching this
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: video that sort of went through the the genesis of
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: some current modern ideologies and previous philosophers. And I don't
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: necessarily buy into all of the connections completely. I'd have
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: to think about or look into it myself. But there
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: was one thing that was really interesting was this idea
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: of struggle. It was I think it was hero Dotus,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: herd Hercules. Ah, I'm gonna screw this name up, but anyway,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: it was ancient greekquel Herculeitus. I think, Okay, Herculitus.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I know, Hercules, I know that's not who you're.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Talking about, though, Heraclitus. Heraclitus, sorry, Heraclitus, who believed that
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the origin of well everything is in suffering or in struggle.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Let me see if I can.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about that because remember, and this is
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: another reason why I brought this up. We went through
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the ballerina what was it, the ballerina ranch or whatever
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: it was, uh thing where a woman who was, you know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: like a ballet dancer, the ballet farm. I think that's
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: what it was. A ballet farm. The woman who was
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: a ballet dancer stopped pursuing her career as a ballet dancer,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: married a man and they moved. They they are in
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Utah with like a bunch of kids and a farm
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and they have to be very happy. And she puts
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: she's an influencer, she puts videos up and Manifestel is
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: like trying to find ways to essentially dog on her
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of other women online, because it seems
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to me that women are really busy looking at what
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: other women are doing online. And that's kind of like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like I've said, and you know what, it's funny.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So I used to say all the time that social
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: media is call of duty for women.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Still I stand by that. It's obvious to me.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: And the other day I was watching somebody else and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: they said the same thing, and I was like, are
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you watching our show? And you heard that and now
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you're using it? Because but whatever, I'm glad that people
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: are picking up on this. Social media is the domain
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of women. It is how they fight with each other.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: It's how they you know, compete, It's how they compete
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: for attention.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: It's how they compete with men or for men. Rather,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: that's what it is like.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Everybody engages in it to some degree, with very few exceptions.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Like when even I even say, even when Pearl Davis says,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: like she posts a picture of a woman and she
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: criticizes how she's dressed, she's engaging in the same thing
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: she is playing call of duty. She is That's the whole.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: So the whole of social media is essentially the lobby.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: But when but when boys are playing cod and they're
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and they're talking ship to each other, they don't take
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: it personal. When everything is said and done, they go
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: back to whatever. But when women do it, they engage
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: in reputation destruction, and they do it on levels that
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't even dream. Like they'll find a
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: photo of a girl and they'll zoom in close and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: they'll look for every imperfection and they'll make them focus
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Like what was her name, egirl.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Bell Delphine talked about how you know, uh, she got
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: way more abuse from women than men seven though men
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: were men were essentially just you know, paying for her
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: nudes or maybe they would say something like nice nice
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: as you know, uh, or you know, open bob or whatever.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: But women would like, yeah, they would talk about how
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: her face is asymmetrical, and they'll like prove it with
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: like graphs and fucking.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Their ability to do mass increases exponentially when they can
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: calculate the square.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Or the story that I yeah, or the story that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I just reported on on the news show where women
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: were using GBT to determine whether or not.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Men were lying about their height.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: So and this was like shared around like it was
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: a good thing, Like we're not shallow, we just we're
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: just using artificial intelligence to like scan photos to find
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: out how tall men actually are, and uh, you know,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: we'll we'll make.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Our decision about going on a date with them based
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: on that. I guess.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, and here's the thing.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Did you find the thing you were looking for?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Or no?
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Well, no philosophy that meaning comes through struggle, so that
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: if you don't have struggle, there's no meaning. And I
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: think that that's very mascular. Let's say that in a
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: bad way. It's just this idea that a human being
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: becomes themselves through the process of struggling with the external world.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: That's very masculine. It's like the essence of I think
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: how men view themselves and the world is that you
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: go out into the world, the world presents obstacles to
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: your goals, you overcome them. This is a hero's journey,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: of course, and this is what makes writing interesting even
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: to women, which is why you'll find most male authors
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: have you know, half of their audience as women, because
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: this is interesting to women as well as men. But
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you go out, you strive over these obstacles,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: you know, and through that process you know yourself. So
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: struggle creates meaning and it creates an understanding of yourself
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: as person. First person perspective. That's first person.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: That is first person philosophy, first person point of view philosophy.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: That you go out in the world, you struggle, you strive,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: and you learn your yourself through your striving, right. That
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: is so that was what I was talking about in
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: terms of the philosophy. And it's just sort of like
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the exact opposite of this idea of always trying to
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: achieve perfect utopia. Yeah, like this perfect utopian situation where
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: there is no want, there is no pain, there's no fear,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: and yet also there is no boredom because every woman
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: has their own you know, serial killer, Yeah, who's who
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: they tamed into being a complete simp, you know, so
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: that nothing is boring and everything is provided for something.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, your camera is freezing up your inner that's
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: dropping a little bit. Oh so maybe maybe you have
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: too many maybe you have too many taps open? All right,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I may have to Yeah, your your camera's frozen in
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: the discord. But let me try to refresh it real quick.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I mean in video video ni.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: No, in video ninja, h video ninja. It's fine, but
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the discord display is a little off.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: You mean, obs, I'm.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry, ohbs, that's what I mean.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Obs.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I just reduced the.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I just refreshed you.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so hopefully that fixed it all right.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yep, it fixed it all right. Uh so
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: before we continue, I wanted to read a superchow we
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: got while it's up, So thanks for the superchow. Anonymous
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: gave us ten dollars and said, or fifteen.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, fifteen dollars, my bad.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Uh. I nominate Brian and his wife to be the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: next anti feminist power couple like Andrew and Rachel Wilson,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: start debating normies and feminists and drop facts about patriarchy
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: and female accountability. I'm also eager to see Brian or
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Allison on a podcast other than HBr to spread the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: anti feminists. You mean, like like as a guest another show.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, if we're invited, I'd be happy to do it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: One of the I don't know.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: If it would if it's totally relevant, But I did,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I did appear or I'm sorry I had a guest on.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: You probably saw it. I hope you did.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: If you haven't, you should check it out.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: His name is Arvis and he is a military veteran,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: although he doesn't have veteran status because he was falsely
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: accused of sexual crimes and it caused him to be
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: dishonorably discharged, and when you're dishonorably discharged, you don't get
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: to be called a veteran, and which is a shame.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: But it was I mean, obviously the false allegation was
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: far more damaging, and it was false and it was
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: proven to be the case. But he also has a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: he knows a guy who does a radio show, so
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: he might have us on. That's why I brought that up.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: So only it may be nice, but I think it
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: would be about the false allegations in the military more
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: than anything else.
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  Speaker 3: You probably have to keep it to that, maybe a
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: little bit of extra.
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  Speaker 1: So I was going to bring up something else about
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, yeah, right, So what if okay, what
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: do we do about this?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Like how do we how do we what are some
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: ways we can address it? Because you were right about
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you called it hedonistic. We're like living in a time
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: of you know, essentially a tremendous amount of comfort, abundance.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: It's resource plentiful.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Again, all of this is we could lose it very
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: very quickly if we aren't careful. And so we have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: this thing where people are separated from the means by
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: which they're able to live the way they do and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: they take it for granted, and so they could end
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: up squandering it very quickly. Okay, And that's kind of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: what we're looking at, like coming up honestly, Like women
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: are willing to sink the country because kat Turd made
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: a joke on the internet or he said something that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: he couldn't actually you know, make good on, which is
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: repeal the nineteenth and and women all over the political
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: spectrum are like up in arms and they're like, we'll
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: vote for you know, the other the you know, we'll
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: vote for the administration that's going to destroy everything if
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you don't treat us what respect and so what that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: what that reads to me at is as is you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: don't know how bad it could get.
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  Speaker 2: Like you just said, that was a tweet. Do you
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: remember the tweet.
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  Speaker 1: I shared with you. Let me see if I can
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: find it. I want to put on the screen where
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: a woman said, should we all vote to take men's
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  Speaker 1: rights away? Do you remember that? Not that men have
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: begin with, but I want to I want to get
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: it really quick and put on the screen so you guys,
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  Speaker 1: so you guys can see it. Yeah, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to put on the screen and then I'm
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: gonna read it to you.
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  Speaker 3: Essentially, what that means is if men have no rights
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  Speaker 3: and they're the ones who are responsible for the upkeep
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: and maintenance of society functionally. I mean, I just I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: just walked through the town, like yesterday, there were two
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: men on working the electricity. There was another crew of
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: men building a building. I mean, it is impossible to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: deny the fact that men are primarily responsible for constructing
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: and maintaining our society and the infrastructure. So what they're
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: saying is, let's get rid of the rights of the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: people who are primarily primarily invested in maintaining everything. Why
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: would they continue to maintain everything unless you have the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: ability to force them. Well, if we go back to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: a system based on force, I think women will, well,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: modern women will probably not like the result, all right,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: because a system based by force is going to have
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: to require men to use the force. Right, and what
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: happens when those men realize that they can use force
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: for their own benefit? I mean, you've already created a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: society in which men are expected to to do things
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: not to their own benefit. At some point, the guys
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: are going to realize that they're doing everything. What keeps
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: them maintaining it? Like, what keeps them continuing to do
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: this stuff when they don't have rights? Do they have compensation? Like,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: in order to have the benefit of money, you'd actually
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: have to have an economy that makes stuff. And once
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: you get into basically a slave, and you know what,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: screw all of the logistics of that. That woman is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: talking about slavery, not just not having the vote, literally
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: making men slaves. But this is not comparable to saying
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  Speaker 3: if you don't actually have skin in the game, you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have a vote, right, that's not comparable anyway. Yeah,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: so I just it's it's, uh, these are not two
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: comparable things. And even more just acknowledging the fact that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: history because it had these demands on women or men,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: and it did not have these demands on men. I mean,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: let's look at the vote, and let's look at the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: use of force throughout his street. Throughout history, the government
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: was just basically a utility. That's it.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the electrical company or the water company.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: It was just the first utility. And the first utility
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: is we can keep this area relatively safe for non
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: military activities. That's the first utility, the very first, because
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: if you don't have the ability to keep an area safe,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: nobody's getting water, nobody's planting, nobody's weaving, nobody is thrashing,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: nobody's doing anything except running. So the first utility is
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: keeping the area safe. Why did men and that's the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: first government, right, keeping the area safe. That's it. It's
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: just the first government is just the utility of defense.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Why did men have a say in that? Because they
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: were the ones who had to defend it, Like it's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: why why?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Why? Did people who work for the sewer system have
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: a say and how the sewer is run? What? Why
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: do people why do people you know, the electricians in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: the working for the electricity company, why do they have
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: a say in how electricity is delivered? You know, the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: people who build the roads, why do they have a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: say and how the roads are built? Are you fucking
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: kidding me? Because they're the ones doing the work. Men
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: had to say because they were the ones doing the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: work full stop. And then gradually government started to talk about, hey,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: we got this land that's sort of saved from outsiders,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: but there are insiders who are a bit of a problem.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should, you know, bring the men together in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: possees and sort of, you know, tell those guys that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: take a hike. Right, that's like the first law and order.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: It's probably the next thing, the next utility. Let's keep
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: the place inside safe from people who are bad act
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: within it. Right, And again that's men's labor. Why did
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: men have a say over it? Because it was their labor? Right? Okay?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: And as we go through that's what government was, and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: why did men have the majority say in it? Because
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: it was their labor? The utility that government provided was
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: directly a result of men's labor. So literally, men are
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: doing the work and deciding how the work gets done.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: And women looked at that and said, I can't believe
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: how much they're oppressing us, are you f It infuriates
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  Speaker 3: me that this was ever framed as women's oppression.
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  Speaker 5: Ever, I mean, in a hundred years, are they going
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: to look back at like the the the Power Company
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: and be like, well, women didn't get a vote in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: the power Company.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: They must have been oppressed. Yeah, they weren't doing the work.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, well no, it's okay. So I mean that's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: basically like everything I wanted to like bring forward about this,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, so let's let's recap really quick. Okay.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: So first thing I looked at was the POV meme,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: and I was asking myself, why is it women don't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: get it? And there's something deeper at play. Are women
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: naturally solipsistic which is not the same as narcissistic, although
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: they can be that as well, But but so like
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: think about it like this too, okay, because.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like bringing all these other things that I've.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Watched, so you know, home math talks about a few
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: of us I've never seen home math. You should totally
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: watch it. How women will not see a large chunk
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: of the male population at all.
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  Speaker 2: That's why when feminists talk.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: About how, you know, how dangerous they think men are,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and I've I've debated with feminist women on you know,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: when I was going to college about it, and they
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: would say, you know, I feel really unsafe at night
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I'd say, well, how many men.
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  Speaker 2: Do you do you come across in your day to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: day life?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: How many men? How many thousands and thousands of men?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: And she didn't. It didn't compute because she didn't see
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: those men as men. If they weren't, if they weren't
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: doing anything with her, and they were just going about
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: their business, they didn't exist. And when it comes to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: men that they, you know, are looking at in terms
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: of dating material, the majority of men don't exist either.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: And so I think that on some level, a solipsistic
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: attitude may have been a part of a woman's evolution,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: like there was some there's some logic behind it. You know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: women want to make sure that the their offspring survives,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: so they're going to be really selective on who they
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you know, are going to want to mate with. But
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: then that could become a thing over time where it's
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: not just the men they want to mate with, but
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: just like whether or not they see men at all
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: as men. And so this POV thing got me thinking
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: about that, and then I thought, well, feminists are always
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about the academic feminists like in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the you know, the inner school, that know that this
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with women at all, and that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: they're just using it to like you know, keep their
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: job and make their money and sell their books and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: remain a tenure and all that. I'm talking about the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: regular women that think that they're feminists because they think
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: that feminism is just equality and that they need it
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: because that's the thing too. Like women you know that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: claim to be conservative, right wing whatever, they they all
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: have a line.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked about it, like almost all women, they have.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: A line that they will not cross when it comes
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: to feminism because they feel it's like a security blanket.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: They have to have it, they have to hold on
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: to it because if they don't and that line is crossed.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: They're going to lose all their rights.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: So they they believe on a fundamental level that men
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: are waiting for the opportunity to do it. It just
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: depends on where the line is that and they'll say
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: it about you know, their own men, they'll say it
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: about foreign men.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is, okay.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: And because if they think that something is coming dangerously
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: close to that line, which by the way, is not
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: it's not defined very well, it's just based on their feelings,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: then they will just become full blown feminists. Sidney Watson
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: did it, Lauren Southern did it. Lauren Chen will probably
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: do it. She's like more base than they are. But
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: she's got a line. I promise you, she's got a line.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: And when it looks like it's gonna be crossed, she's
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: gonna become just like you know, Mona Alathawy or Lori
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Penny if you want, like a throwback. Right. So because
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: of that, a degree of solipsism is perhaps something that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: these women think is a good tactic to fall on.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: So the POV thing kind of like brought me got
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: me thinking about that. Then I looked at the Tokville paradox.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, why would this happen? Like women
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: have like men have been trying to like figure out
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: essentially how to get women to stop whining and stop
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: nagging them, And we've built all of this. Probably the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: baseline of it is women's nagging and then men's productivity
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: gave us modern civilization. And women are like, well, all
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: of those things have been solved. I got to find
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: something new to nag about. So they're going to nag
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: about something else, and men haven't been able to say,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: you know what, no, we're not doing that. They like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: they're still like, well, how do we figure We got
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: to get them to They're not comfortable enough. We have
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: to work harder, right, So the Tokville paradox could be
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the where this is coming from, which is why I
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: brought it up.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: And then we got like just to like sort of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: cap it off.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: We have this video of women saying how much do
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: they expect their man to make? And that's how you know,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: how divorced like what the gap is between men's reality
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: where they think, well, shit, if I make forty grand
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: a year, I could probably find a decent woman because
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I'll be able to afford. And they have a list.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I got you know, I should have
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: a car that's like maybe less than ten years old.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I have a small place to myself, you know right now,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: maybe like over time, I'll be able to buy a house.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Not not getting into what's going on with the housing market,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying this is what the logic is.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: You know. Men are like, well, if I have this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: much education, this kind of job, and this car, you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: maybe I can go on some dates.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: And women are.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Like, they're what their expectation is completely on another planet.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: And it's probably because of influencers like Manifestel, which are
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: far more common than you think. And that's why I
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: mentioned that other podcast called Call Her Daddy, which is
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: all about like essentially being a modern woman, and I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: think that what it says to me is there's a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: massive gap in expectations for a life of any kind
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: between men and women, and they're not able to meet
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: in the middle, or I mean, not that there is
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: a middle, but like to like understand each other's position.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: And there's a number of reasons for that, which I'm
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: sure also will go into, but this is the problem
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: we find ourselves.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I think is also.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: A big part of that is this, at least in part,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: a lack of grace for men's efforts and a lack
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of gratitude for everything that we have. And this is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: something and this is also also probably a product of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: a lack of humility, where people can say, you know what,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a piece of shit.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I don't deserve anything.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad that I have this apartment and I
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: have a computer, and I have a phone, and I
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: have like a wife you know that likes me half
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: the time at least, you know, or a husband, you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: know whatever, it is a boyfriend. So yeah, I mean
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: those are that's why I put this together. And those
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: are my thoughts on that, Alison, Okay, I got.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Stuck in my tabs. Yeah that I think that, I think, yeah,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: I would, I would say those are some interesting things
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: to bring together into a into a cohesive whole. I'm
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: just still I'm still with I'm still sort of shaking
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: my head at Michelle Baker, like, Okay, fine, you do everything,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: then you want all ultimates say, then you do it?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that's you know, that's funny, the Michelle
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Baker thing. Let me share this again for you guys,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: so you guys can see it, because I think that
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: it is interesting. Because let me read this and I'll
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: explain why I think this is in line with what
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to bring up. So Michelle Baker says, hey, women,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: we're the majority. Should we eliminate men's voting rights. Should
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: we force them to all to get vasectomies? Should we
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: make sure they get paid less than women for the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: same work. Should we imprison them for causing on wanted pregnancies?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: That's hurting the tables. And what's funny about that is
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: that Michelle Baker doesn't seem to understand that in order
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: for her to do any of those things, she has
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: to use men. So like, it's like they think that
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: the system that exists, the systems that we have put
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: in place, systems like the political structure, the government, the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: police force, the fire department, the military, democracy, a republic,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, these things somehow exist independent of the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: people that occupy them. So she's like, well, if we
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: just vote to take away all of men's rights, then
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get them.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, but you're asking men to do
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: that to men.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: And while there are plenty of men who would throw
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: men under the bus, I don't think they realize that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the only way they could do that is to get
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: men to do it, because that's it's like, they don't
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: think the system is composed of men. They think it's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: just something like that they can just pull the levers
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: on like one of those Doctor Wiley final bosses from
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Mega Man, and shit just happens. And I think it's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: funny because it shows you what I mean when I'm
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: saying they're so divorced from reality. They think that these things,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: these systems that they rely on, they think it's in
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the back. They think there's just this stuff is just here,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Like they don't know that in the blink of an eye,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: you could be without electricity, without running water, without the internet,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: without all of these you know, comforts and amenities, and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: that you'd actually have to survive on your own, and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: it would just become like you know the episode of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Survivor where you had like the women team and the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: men's team, and the men team were like, yeah, partying,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: you have a good time, catching fish, building huts together,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and the women are crying and they're in the they're
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: wet in the rain because they don't realize that these
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: systems don't exist without cooperation. And men are boss at cooperation,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: so you need them and you just can't pretend like
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: you don't. So, but that's POV, isn't it. Oh you're
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you're muted or something. I can't hear you.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm just muted. Yeah, No, it's this
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: is this is yeah is POV. I just like I said,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: I'm astounded by Marshelle, and I'm even more astounded by Alex.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: We don't have access the first person? How do you
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: top that? How do you literally do how do you
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: have any analysis that you We should make a monument
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: to that woman's tweet and be like, Okay, let's let's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: put in a time capsule and for the future. Why
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: did Western civilization fail? Well, let us look at Alex's tweet.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you have it up there. Let's
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: look at what Alex has to say about women not
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: having access to first person point of view. No, we
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: just don't have access to it. You live it that.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: We should put this on a monument somewhere and be like, Okay,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: you're probably wondering how our civilization collapsed. This tweet. This
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: tweet is why this woman thought she was defending women.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Women don't, okay, Alex Kashuota, Women don't understand point of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: view because they don't watch as much porn or play
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: first person shooters. It's not an IQ test, they just
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: don't get to see it in the categories bar every day, Alex,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: what what? What do you think these things that you
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: see from are and the thing behind it that interprets
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: What do you think this whole system that you exist
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: within is for. It's not for selfies. It is for
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: the manufacture of the first person point of view into
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: which you live or you experience life every day. You
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: don't need to see it in your categories. You should
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: be living it. The fact that you're not, and you
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: contiser that of defense for why women are ignorant. A
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: first person is Terrif you know, it's like you just
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: see a little crack in your wall, right and you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: just go to it, and then it just you. The
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: more you look into it, the bigger it gets. It's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: like some kind of crack into some kind of other dimension.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: The more I look at the tweet, the more I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: feel like my reason and logic is unraveling. Like Alex's
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: tweet is like some kind of black body of pure
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: and utter syllopsistic insanity that if you stare at it
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: too long. It probably should have like a warning, Hey,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: you might lose your mind you stare at this too long.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: How how have you gotten How have you gone through
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: puberty and not realized you live in first person?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yep, so I got a rumble rant on a red
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: rumbo rant from Nova Fan twenty one. He says, for
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: how much money is this?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: One dollar?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but the chef thing cuts it
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: off sometimes, And he says, I saw a video yesterday
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: from dev short Fatataku where he talks about why women
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: are having fewer kids, and he seems to imply the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: government and the economy play a bigger role than women's choices. Well,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: that sounds like something a status would say. It's like
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: the government is only able to affect your choices if
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: they show up at your house with a gun. There
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: are incentives like in the States. I don't know about
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Canada because I know that's where he's from. In the States,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: women are incentivized to like have kids without a man,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: which may then further incentivize them to choose to not
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: to have kids at all because maybe they're having a
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: hard time finding a man.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: But they can't make you.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: You still have a choice, Like, we can't pretend like
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: women don't make choices, just like we can't pretend like
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: men don't make choices at least like you know, to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: the degree that they can't.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: But thank you for the dollar.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: And then he gives another dollar and says, if you're
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: interested in that video, can make a summary and list
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: of time codes when I get free time.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead, I'll check it.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Out, all right.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that I think that tweet
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: is terrifying and yeah, hilarious and in an existential nightmare.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to, we don't, we can't, we'll obviously,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get into this now because I have
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: to find.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: The research on it.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: But I have heard that the average IQ of Western
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: women is going down, and I don't know if it's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: because of the brain what do they call it?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Brain rot on the internet.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: But when you look at the most popular podcast for
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: women versus the most popular podcast for men, and.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Or the most popular podcast.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: That men watch and the most popular podcast that women
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: watch or listen to, Yeah, it makes you wonder, really
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: makes you think.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, I wanted to say one thing about your whole
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: social media is call of duty for women.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you there?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: We've really got to do something, because I would not
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: put a young girl into that before she has developed
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: a sense of her first person self.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, wow, yeah, Like maybe maybe a young girl
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: should play some call of duty so she knows what
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: POV is before she goes on social media.
• 1:22:49
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• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: His his his street thinking.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, get the streets I get around, I've
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: been around. I think is the line that I've been around?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I thinks his gut is onto something.
• 1:23:19
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• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: of these insights into women not understanding point of view
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: and astoundingly in the article of women not understanding point
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: of view. The know your meme attempts to defend women
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: by quoting a woman who apparently doesn't understand that she
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: lives in first person.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so that's all I want, That's all I
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: have the strength for. I think, I think what the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I definitely want to check out the Call
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Her Daddy podcast and then because that's the most popular
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: for women, and then we'll look at maybe some of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: the Tucker Carlson podcast or the Joe Rogan because that's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the most popular for men. And when you when you
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: look at if you.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: So, I think it's it is kind of connected to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: what we're saying, because when you look.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: At what women are watching online like or listening to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of podcasts, it gives you a sense of
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: the things are interested in, but it also gives you
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: a sense of the scope of the world as they
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: see it. And then when you look at what men
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: are so like, it's it's it literally is still that
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: model of the patriarchy and ginocentrism that Mike made in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: that one video that he made years ago. You remember
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: that video he made where he had like a small
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: circle that represented ginocentrism.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: A really good way of representing those.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I think that's what that even in
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: this in terms of like what podcasts are people listening to,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: if you look at the scale of for the depth
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: of what women are listening to, and I don't I
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: don't include Lindsay in this because Lindsay and I tried
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: to listen to one episode. A clip from an episode
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: is like nine minutes and we got like three minutes
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: in and she was like, I can't do this, Like
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: it's too it's too awful, it's too gross it's actually
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: grosser out the women's podcast I'm talking about. And then
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: you look at the scale at which uh things are
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: happed that that like of the conversation that men are
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: interested in, and it's like night and day.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: So what we'll check it out sometime.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like what I don't understand when conservatives say
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: weak men create week or bad times, Like men are
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: still doing what men do one hundred percent, you know,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: and even in the Ukraine we see that men are
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: still defending their territory too, So men are still doing
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: their jobs. There's no weak men. There just is absolutely
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: no reason to do it anymore. Well, okay, it'd be
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: nice to keep this society. I think it's I think
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: it's cool. You know, we can be seen from space
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: for the first time in human history. That's cool, that's nice.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: You know, keep keep it. Let's let's try to find
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: some kind of way of getting men and women back
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: together again. And that's a good thing to aim for it,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: don't you think? And and I think part of it
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: is that we have to I don't know, like, is
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: it possible to have a relationship with a woman who
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: does not understand first person who literally doesn't realize that
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: she lives in it so she doesn't need to have
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: it in her categories to understand it?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I mean I know, I know they exists.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I know they exist.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: They're out there.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: The other found one.
• 1:27:06
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• 1:27:25
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• 1:28:21
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• 1:28:24
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• 1:28:26
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  Speaker 6: Yes are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines. They
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking deal with,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: especially if you have, like especially if you have like
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: a couple of dudes who have good memory. On top
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked