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Quincy Avery on Shedeur Sanders' debut, Jalen Hurts' greatness, Patrick Mahomes vs. Lamar Jackson · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, a WAVE original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: You are a hater.
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  Speaker 1: It is Quincy Avery Friday. Quincy Avery, quarterback, coach, two stars,
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  Speaker 1: guru himself. He went to Morehouse, but we'll let that
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  Speaker 1: part slide.
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  Speaker 2: Brother, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Man, I'm blessed. It don't got the ring to it
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  Speaker 3: like Foxworth Friday, but you know, I'm going to try it.
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  Speaker 3: In the hold of mind of the bargain.
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  Speaker 1: It is amazing how powerful alliteration is. Anything that's got
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  Speaker 1: them same two letters right there, it just hits. Like,
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  Speaker 1: why is there not a day of the week that
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  Speaker 1: starts with a B or a Q?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? We be running things out here.
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  Speaker 3: That's a fact.
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  Speaker 1: So, one thing I want to ask you, and for
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  Speaker 1: people who don't know this, Quincy works with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of quarterbacks as a quarterback coach who played quarterback at
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  Speaker 1: Morehouse University. I don't know if people fully know this,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the question. So as a quarterback coach, like,
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  Speaker 1: what do you do?
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  Speaker 3: It's a great question. So the thing that I work
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  Speaker 3: on primarily is skill development. So there's lots of other
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  Speaker 3: trainers out there who might work on speed, strength, all
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  Speaker 3: those things. I find myself putting people's feet in the
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  Speaker 3: right directions, teach them how to turn, teach them how
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  Speaker 3: to rotate, teach them how to get their arm path correct.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of times you'll see people talk about, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this quarterback's not playing well. It's on their quarterback coach.
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  Speaker 3: I just teach them how to throw. I'm not telling
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  Speaker 3: them how to read– Read a play, go through reads,
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  Speaker 3: work through the progressions. That's not my job. I just
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  Speaker 3: try to help you throw the ball better.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a Tom House sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's really the world we live in. Tom House really
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  Speaker 3: started in baseball, started getting into football, and our business
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  Speaker 3: kind of grew from the things that he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Although I will say about Tom House, after a while,
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  Speaker 1: you start looking at Tom House, and he was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you want to try something? I'd like to throw a Frisbee.
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  Speaker 1: You think a Frisbee might help? I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he's actually had anybody throw a Frisbee, but I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you he's thought of it.
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  Speaker 3: He's had people throw bowling pins. He's had people do
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  Speaker 3: a lot of wild stuff that I probably wouldn't recommend.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he's gone a little on the deep
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  Speaker 3: end of some of the things and some of the
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  Speaker 3: things he tries to get done.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So the separation is somebody like you was working
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  Speaker 1: with mechanics as much as anything else, and the coaches
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  Speaker 1: on a roster are more inclined toward the more cognitive
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  Speaker 1: and schematic sort of things.
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  Speaker 3: 100%. NFL coaches don't talk to their guys at all
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  Speaker 3: about skills or skill development. That's 0% their world. All
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  Speaker 3: they want to talk about is how do we run
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  Speaker 3: this play better? And if you can't throw the ball
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  Speaker 3: well enough to be there, then they're going to get
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  Speaker 3: you on the team.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So what I find interesting about that is I do
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  Speaker 1: feel like if you're talking about the other positions, skill
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  Speaker 1: development is a part of that.
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  Speaker 2: Or do I have that wrong?
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  Speaker 3: No, you're 100 percent right. A wide receiver coach will
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  Speaker 3: spend a lot more time doing drills throughout their practice
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  Speaker 3: or O-linemen working on the skill development on their end
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  Speaker 3: because there's less to do for them schematically. They have
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  Speaker 3: to think about a lot less in terms of read, protection,
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  Speaker 3: getting everybody in the right spot, and being able to
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  Speaker 3: work through it that way. So all those things are different.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you a bit about–
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  Speaker 1: This episode will air on Friday, which is to say
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  Speaker 1: that the night that most people get this, Shador Sanders
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  Speaker 1: will be starting his first preseason game for the Browns.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be going up against the Panthers. Number one.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think there will really be much to be
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  Speaker 1: gleaned from this game? And I ask that question because
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  Speaker 1: a part of why he's starting is they have so
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  Speaker 1: many injured quarterbacks. And I would think that job one
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  Speaker 1: for the Browns should be making sure another quarterback does
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  Speaker 1: not get hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we're going to really be able
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  Speaker 3: to take much away from this at all. But it's
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  Speaker 3: so crazy to see all of the excuses people are
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  Speaker 3: making for him before the game. You're a four string
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  Speaker 3: quarterback drafted in the fifth round. Any opportunity that you
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  Speaker 3: get to play is a blessing. You have the fortune
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  Speaker 3: of being able to play likely a whole half. The
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  Speaker 3: only other quarterback they have is a guy they signed
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  Speaker 3: one day ago, Snoop Huntley. And it's just you. You've
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  Speaker 3: been at practice. You've been getting these opportunities. You should
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  Speaker 3: be thankful, grateful with the opportunity because a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times fourth quarterbacks don't get the chance to get on
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  Speaker 3: the field and they're just simply getting cut. So he
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  Speaker 3: should be ecstatic and take advantage of this opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: But what do you think if you were running a
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  Speaker 1: team right now and you had these two quarters with him,
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  Speaker 1: what would you be trying to do?
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  Speaker 3: I would be hoping to see– I would get him
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  Speaker 3: throwing the ball a lot. The only thing I want
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  Speaker 3: to see is can he process like an NFL quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need you to complete every throw. I need
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  Speaker 3: you to be able to take the completions when given,
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  Speaker 3: get to your checkdowns, but also be aggressive with the football.
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  Speaker 3: So if he throws some interceptions, not a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: But at least be going through the reads, be able
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  Speaker 3: to run the operation the right way. He hasn't had
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  Speaker 3: to do that in any of his college career, and
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  Speaker 3: it's been a big transition in terms of the things
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  Speaker 3: he's doing now to the things he's been doing before.
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  Speaker 3: So how have we been able to make these steps
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  Speaker 3: in this limited amount of time?
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a little surprising to me, I think, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe to some people to say that he didn't do
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  Speaker 1: this in college, because one would think that hiring Pat
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  Speaker 1: Shermer and, you know, an NFL guy to be the
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Colorado, that would be the thing you
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  Speaker 1: would get out of it. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You would think. But so much of their offense was
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  Speaker 3: built before Shermer got there. And then a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things they started doing when Shermer became the offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 3: were just things Shador felt comfortable doing, which I understand.
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  Speaker 3: I want to make my college quarterback comfortable, but Deion's
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  Speaker 3: job was not, let's develop him for the NFL. He
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  Speaker 3: said he wanted to win football games. I think he
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  Speaker 3: did a pretty good job doing that with him there,
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  Speaker 3: but he did not get him prepared for the things
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  Speaker 3: he had to do in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you and I were both, I think you were
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little more skeptical of Shador than I was
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  Speaker 1: coming out of college, and boy, did we get hell
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  Speaker 1: for that one, right? I mean, it was the argument
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  Speaker 1: that I made every time around that was and I
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  Speaker 1: think I wound up calling you to talk about this.
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  Speaker 2: We had never talked before.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just like, OK, I got to talk
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  Speaker 1: to somebody that knows something about what's going on. But
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  Speaker 1: I think Shador is really important to people who didn't
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  Speaker 1: watch much college football.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like I think that, you know, where he stands, like
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody about this the other day,
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  Speaker 1: how a lot of sports consumption has become like consumed
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  Speaker 1: like the way that people watch reality TV. And so
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  Speaker 1: you pick the character that you want to root for.
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  Speaker 1: And he, for a lot of people, is the character
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  Speaker 1: that they wanted to root for.
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  Speaker 2: So for you, what.
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  Speaker 1: Is the biggest thing that you think that he would
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  Speaker 1: have needed to improve from being a college quarterback to
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  Speaker 1: being in the NFL?
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  Speaker 3: So the thing about Shadur that was the most alarming
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  Speaker 3: to me in terms of how I looked at him
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  Speaker 3: as a quarterback was not his arm strength or accuracy
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  Speaker 3: or any of those things. It's how long it takes
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  Speaker 3: him to throw the football. Like his processing rate of speed,
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  Speaker 3: very slow. So if it takes you longer than everybody,
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  Speaker 3: and then not only are you not throwing the ball
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  Speaker 3: down the field, he threw more passes behind the line
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  Speaker 3: of scrimmage than anybody. So those are the things I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: this is not making sense. You can't both take a
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  Speaker 3: long time and not push the ball down the field
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  Speaker 3: because he's not athletic enough to be able to do
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  Speaker 3: things in the pocket. That's just going to extend plays.
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  Speaker 3: You would think Shador Sanders, son of Dion, would be
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  Speaker 3: the most athletic college quarterback, and he's anything short. But
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  Speaker 3: far from that.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, my hot take, I will not at
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  Speaker 1: all be surprised if he's the starter on week one.
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  Speaker 3: I would bet all of my money he's not the
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  Speaker 3: starter on week one.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: I don't have enough money to really bet with you,
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  Speaker 3: but whatever you're willing to bet, I'm willing to cover it.
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  Speaker 3: I would say no chance he's a starter. I think
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  Speaker 3: that he's fighting for a job more than anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let me, let me put it a different way then.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like given, we know how training camp can
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  Speaker 1: go and guys being hurt and missing a little time
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  Speaker 1: or missing a couple of weeks can alter the course
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  Speaker 1: of history. One example, Phillip Rivers held out in 2004
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  Speaker 1: and Drew Brees had enough time to save his job
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  Speaker 1: and keep it and completely altered the direction of his
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  Speaker 1: career in a situation where where they wanted to give
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  Speaker 1: the job to somebody else, right?
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  Speaker 2: They knew who they wanted to give it to, but
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  Speaker 2: it didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Work out that way. Joe Flacco is about my age,
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  Speaker 1: as Dion said. Dion's older than me and Joe Flacco
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  Speaker 1: is his age.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm older than Joe Flacco, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. I mean, I guess we're still doing this,
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  Speaker 1: but if you want to, all right, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: keep this going. Dylan Gabriel is a shocker. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was a shocker for a lot of people when
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  Speaker 1: he went in the third round. It still remains a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a shocker. If Shador has more reps and
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  Speaker 1: more opportunity to play than these guys in training camp, Flacco,
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  Speaker 1: of course, being a bit of an outlier because he's
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  Speaker 1: played there already, you would assume that a man his
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  Speaker 1: age doesn't need that much preseason time. But if Shador
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  Speaker 1: can't get a leg up in this time period, then.
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  Speaker 2: What are we talking about? I guess because of the question.
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  Speaker 3: That's the point I'm trying to make. We're on the
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  Speaker 3: same page. He's going to get an opportunity to get
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  Speaker 3: more reps than anybody, more preseason snaps. I think Dylan
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  Speaker 3: Gabriel will be out another week, so he'll probably miss
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  Speaker 3: the second preseason game, only get the third game. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to see a lot of Shador. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that that's going to cause us to wonder, does he
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  Speaker 3: need to be in the NFL?
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  Speaker 1: I think they're going to be bad in a way
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  Speaker 1: that everybody gets a chance to play.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody can throw the ball. Come on, let's take a spin.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see if you can do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: As you work with Deshaun Watson, is there any chance
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  Speaker 1: we see him this year?
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  Speaker 3: Now, will he be healthy enough to play at one
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  Speaker 3: point this year? Definitely. What the Cleveland Browns decide to
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  Speaker 3: do with him when he is healthy enough, that's up
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  Speaker 3: to them. But I think we've actually been throwing a
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  Speaker 3: good bit. We just started throwing. So I think that
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  Speaker 3: he'll be ready pretty quickly here. I think quicker than
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people expect.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how much does an Achilles injury affect a quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like you think about this as a basketball injury. It's
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  Speaker 1: the dooming in the most damning injury that you have football.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily go that way. The only quarterback off
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  Speaker 1: the top of my head, I remember with a prominent
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  Speaker 1: Achilles injury was Dan Marino.
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  Speaker 2: But he was at an age where he wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to be the same on the backside anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had Dan. We had Kirk. He bounced back
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  Speaker 3: a little bit slower. Aaron Rodgers, I think that at
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  Speaker 3: the end of last season, I think we got to
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  Speaker 3: see a lot of Aaron Rodgers at a high level.
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  Speaker 3: He was playing really well, throwing the ball well. He
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  Speaker 3: looked like old Aaron Rodgers. I think Deshaun's game is
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  Speaker 3: more predicated on his ability to move, extend plays in
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  Speaker 3: the pocket. He's not somebody you see make a ton
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  Speaker 3: of on-time throws. A lot of the things that he
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  Speaker 3: does cause him to run around executing that way. So
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: difficult for him. I think that if he is able
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  Speaker 3: to come back and play, I think it'll actually be
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  Speaker 3: helpful for him because he has to learn how to
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  Speaker 3: play in the pocket within that structure, throw on time.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that it could be something that'd be
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  Speaker 3: beneficial for him. if he gets the opportunity to come
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  Speaker 3: back this year with the Browns.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. What has been the biggest
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  Speaker 1: difference between 2020 Deshaun Watson, who if you have room
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  Speaker 1: for skepticism before 2020, which I think was fair on
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  Speaker 1: a number of levels, it was all gone that year,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing has really been the same since in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the performance.
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  Speaker 3: Right. He was number one in passing yards, number two
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  Speaker 3: in completion. It was crazy. The stats that he put
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  Speaker 3: up that year, I think you could argue he was
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  Speaker 3: the number one or number two best quarterback in the league.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the way that he played was with
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  Speaker 3: a level of confidence that we haven't seen him play
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  Speaker 3: with since. Of course, all the things that went on,
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  Speaker 3: all the things that happened, I don't want to brush
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  Speaker 3: over those, but doesn't play that year, goes to Cleveland Browns,
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  Speaker 3: out another year, three games into the next season, he's
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  Speaker 3: hurt in an offense that I think is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different than things he's been traditionally asked to do.
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  Speaker 3: And then last year, last year, some of the things
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  Speaker 3: that I saw on film were not great. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that his fundamentals got a little bit away from
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  Speaker 3: the things that he'd done before. You'll see His base
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  Speaker 3: got a little bit crazy. Wasn't able to throw the
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  Speaker 3: ball as consistently he wanted. I think that he was
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  Speaker 3: moving in the right direction. Tears his Achilles. So all
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  Speaker 3: those things have happened. And I think we've just seen
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  Speaker 3: a lack of confidence more than anything is what I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I've seen on the screen. If you're not
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  Speaker 3: confident in the offense you're running and not that the
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  Speaker 3: coach is a good coach, but confident that you know
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  Speaker 3: exactly what you need to do every time you step
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  Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage so that you can do
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  Speaker 3: execute the right way. That's difficult. And, um, That's where
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  Speaker 3: I think that we've seen the biggest decline in play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this question about just quarterbacking
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  Speaker 1: and confidence because this has always been– I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know if a theory is the right way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is about how quick you get something done, right?
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  Speaker 1: See the throw, make the throw. Like that's Kyle Shanahan's
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  Speaker 1: thing where he talks about, you know, if you just
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  Speaker 1: want to rip it when you see it, that's the
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  Speaker 1: thing that Brock Purdy will do.
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  Speaker 2: I see the throw.
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  Speaker 1: I might not get it right, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and make it now. The throw isn't there yet.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be there. I'll make it. To me,
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  Speaker 1: it's not as much as I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people like to make it as like, if you can
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  Speaker 1: see it, you can be it sort of thing with confidence.
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  Speaker 1: I think about it in terms of literally how confidence
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  Speaker 1: shortens the amount of time that you need to get
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  Speaker 1: something done in a game where milliseconds matter that much.
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  Speaker 3: You'll see when I think about confidence, just like you said,
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  Speaker 3: it's a guy who's willing to throw the ball early
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  Speaker 3: before the guys left his break. So he's still leaning
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  Speaker 3: one way. You see CJ Stroud is one of the
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  Speaker 3: best young quarterbacks ever to me at this. He is
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  Speaker 3: so confident in the things that he's doing that he's
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  Speaker 3: going to throw the ball while Steven Sless two steps
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  Speaker 3: to get out of his break. You'll see Nico Collins
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  Speaker 3: like surprised at a, ball hits him in his face mask,
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  Speaker 3: that confidence is earned, but it's also is provided to
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  Speaker 3: you by the coaching staff. The coaching staff gives you
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  Speaker 3: the permission to make mistakes. And if you don't have
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  Speaker 3: the confidence that you can make a mistake, get back
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  Speaker 3: in the game and do well, then it gets really difficult.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's why we see such a lack
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  Speaker 3: of success from backup quarterbacks. When those guys are nervous
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  Speaker 3: to make mistakes, you don't get to play with that
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  Speaker 3: level of anticipation, that level of confidence. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a, biggest determining factor in how well a guy
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  Speaker 3: really plays throughout his career.
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  Speaker 1: And it was also why Joe Flacco as a backup
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  Speaker 1: worked because he wasn't as good as it may have seemed,
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  Speaker 1: but what in the world did he have to be
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  Speaker 1: scared of?
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  Speaker 3: What are y'all going to do? Hello? I'm about to
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: throw this ball when I feel like throwing it. Either
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: we're going to catch it or they're going to catch
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: it and we'll see how it works. Jameis Winston is
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: someone who plays with an extreme amount of confidence too
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: and you see it go bad, but he's also someone
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: who didn't get a ton of time in order to
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: correct the mistake. So All those things we get to see.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Well, Jamie's got a different confidence to me, and that
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: is He is, and this happens, a dude that I
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: think in a football way is very smart but also
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: makes bad decisions. It seems to me like he can
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: get a spatial awareness of everything that he thinks is
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: about to go on, and he makes that decision early,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, this dude is not
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: where he thought he was going to be, and now
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: we all running the other way.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: His decision got made a little bit before it should have.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: He was so confident that my arm could do things
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: that it may not be able to do that I'm
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: going to make this throw anyway. Another guy on the
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: confidence scale, I call him Irrational Arm Arrogance, Geno Smith.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: To me, he is the best thrower in the NFL
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: right now. He makes every throw exactly when he wants to,
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: how he wants to throw it. And it's interesting to
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: see a guy like that who wasn't able to start
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: for such a long time. He was a backup, didn't
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: get his opportunities. Then he gets in there, he's like,
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: F it. I'm about to let this thing rip. If
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: it goes well, it goes well. I was thinking about
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: retiring before this anyway. So now I get my chance
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: and we got to see some special things from Geno.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Yo, it's so interesting that you mentioned that because I
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: think it took him a while to shake off what
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: people thought of him as the Jets quarterback, which is
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: wildly unfair as I watch so many guys, people still
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: trying to talk themselves into this Sam Darnold thing. They
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: talked themselves into the Sam Darnold thing long enough for
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: him to have, or the Vikings at least, to have
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: the season that they had last year, only for the
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: season to end with him being the exact same Sam
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Darnall that we thought he was, right? But people are
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: still talking themselves into it. In a way, I feel
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: like people were still talking themselves into Kenny Pickett. Clearly
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the Browns on some level were hoping that he could
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: come in and be the guy to start. It took
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: a long time, but Geno shook that off. And I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: do wonder, and I appreciate you going into that.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: If you could do it a little bit more, it'd
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: be great.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Explaining to people what it is about Geno that makes
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: him good. Because I mean, he's in his mid thirties
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: now and it doesn't feel like it because he had
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: like seven years off.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if he can always throw the
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: way that he throws now. So I'll be clear there.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: But the things that I see, I'm going to talk
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: about some nerds. I'm going to get really nerdy on you.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Do it. That's what we're here for.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Okay. So the ability to throw the football and generate
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: force is caused by a couple things. Ground force, internal rotation,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: external rotation. So ground force, the ability to put force
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: on the ground, internal rotation. Let's say I'm facing you.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: My ability to coil, stay loaded, right? And you should
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: be able to see my back. If you watch any
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: clip of Geno Smith, He is better than anybody at
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: internally rotating and the quickness and speed in which he
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: gets his front foot down in order to generate foot strike,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: which gives us ground force. And then his arm has
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: the ability to do. So he didn't use to throw
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: like that. He learned to throw with just his arm.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: So imagine putting the components of a great throwing mechanics
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: together with a natural skill you've developed your whole life.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: So now he has the ability to make amazing throw
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: with his hand touch placement here. And then he's put
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: together all of the sequencing schematics of a great thrower.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: which I think is taking him to another level.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: So can you help me understand why it is that
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Seattle would think that going to Sam Darnold after the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: season ended with your friendly reminder that Sam Darnold was
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: still Sam Darnold, why that would be your move to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: make rather than going back to Geno?
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I think there's two things there. I think the GM, Schneider,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: had a really strong perspective of the things that he
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: wanted to do in the building and getting away from
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the things that Pete Carroll did. Now, the second thing,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: you've got a young head coach who's right around Geno's age.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: So their ability to really connect that way I don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: think was there. I think that when somebody wants to
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: be a head coach and talk to somebody as if
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: they work for them, despite this person being the same
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: age and making more money than they do, it's a
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: little bit difficult and changes that dynamic. So with those
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: two things put together, I think that it's a great
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: fit for Geno to be with Pete Carroll.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I think it greatly gets underestimated. Like, what an amazing story.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the Geno Smith story is when you really, really think
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: about it, never forget. And I bring this up a
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: lot because I don't want anybody to ever forget it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Eli Manning was playing so bad that to save his job,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo went to Geno Smith and the owner's response
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: was fire him tomorrow. Tomorrow.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow. Let's not forget, Geno Smith won that game that
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: he came in and started. And they still got him
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: off the field. Let's just be clear. Hey, Geno's playing great.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Let's get him out of here.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: They fired the coach. And first of all, that coach, look,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: coach live in the same world we live in, right?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And I say all that to say, he knew. It was,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: it took, it had to take a lot for you
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to bench Eli Manning and put Geno's black ass in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: there to be your quarterback. You know what's going on.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But he is like, there's no chance I don't get
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: fired if I keep rolling Eli out there. And not
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: only did they keep rolling Eli out there to apologize
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to him for putting Geno's black ass in there over him,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: he got to keep the job for like two more years.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: They hit him with the players fuck up. We won't
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: do this again, Eli. All right?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And they still stunk. It's one thing when you do
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this with Kobe. The Lakers did this. Kobe's cooked, but
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: he's still Kobe. Let's just go ahead and get out here.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Tank without looking like we're tanking.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool. They did that with Eli.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: That old Super Bowl will really buy you some leverage
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that I did not realize. Eli was cooked. He was
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: cooked like Peyton Manning was cooked at the end of
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: his career. He just doesn't get all the blame.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Now, they brought in Daniel Jones to succeed Eli Manning.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: That did not work out for them. That was another
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: fascinating case. Another one where people are still hoping that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: this thing, never mind the four years that you've already seen, right?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: We're still, actually it's five, but we're still hoping this
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: could work out. And he was brought into a situation
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: where to me, it is very clear somebody, it weren't
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: hoping that he would take the job, they were just
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: hoping that he would make it very clear how serious
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: they were about taking the job. And that is with
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson with the Colts. I am still holding out
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: on this one. I still I'm not giving up on
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson until you absolutely make me give up on
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: him because he's just so ridiculously talented. Now, I don't
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: know where you were on him coming out on the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: draft because I found that. the film guys were higher
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on him than everybody else even while he was throwing
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the ball into the second row throwing it at people's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: feet everything else but apparently always to the person he
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be throwing the ball.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: To i think anthony richardson the the physical stature the
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: physical nature all those things that he can do all
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the things that we saw cam newton do we're like
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: this guy could do those things i wasn't as high
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: on him just because he didn't do it for long
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: enough if he would have done what he did for
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: a being able to make reads like that, the throws
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that he can make out of this world. I love
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: all those things. I think he has the tools and
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: talent to be a top quarterback in the league. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: things that I hear about him from people in the
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: building don't strike me as somebody who I want to
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: be my starting quarterback. And I think that people forget
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: about the respect that you need to garner from your
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: teammates in order to lead an NFL team. You got
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: to have 53 alphas who are willing to rally behind
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: you in order for you to be the starting quarterback.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: And I don't think he's been able to get that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And you lose a locker room, you're going to lose
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: your career. And that'll happen really, really rapidly.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, I mean, if it gets to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a place where I've heard it, that I know everybody
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: else has heard it, professionalism was the question with him. Now,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: he is all of 23 years old, right? Like, we
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: have that part. That's worth noting. I remember when he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: was in college. His number was 15 because, duh, AR-15, right?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: The same thing as Austin Reeves. And I remember going
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: into his redshirt sophomore.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Year, it was announced.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm changing my number because it's a bad look in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: this world of gun violence. And I admit, I took
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that to indicate a level of maturity that apparently has
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: not existed in a functional sense as a football player.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: But separate from those things, when you watch him play,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that he could get there?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Because I thought that he played a lot better fundamentally
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: after they said they didn't do what they did when
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: they benched him for calling out of the game.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: When you watch him, I think that you see flashes
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of things that give you hope, give you excitement. I
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: think we see the same things. There's throws that he
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: makes and the way he pushes the ball down the
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: football field. That gives you general thought like this guy
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: could be special. So all those things are great. Not even–
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: see him work through progressions in a way that I
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: don't think a lot of young guys are doing. So
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the on the field stuff is not the issue. Now,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: can we do those things consistently? That is going to
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: be the differentiating factor between him being a quarterback in
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts, but he has to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: do something special to beat out Daniel Jones. And that's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: what I want to see.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Really? So you don't, Does he have to do something? OK,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: put it like this. What would Daniel Jones have to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: do to win the job? Because, again, I can't believe
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: we're still doing this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Just stand up there and take a drop and just
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: find six yards completions and throw a bunch of check
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: downs and get them to be able to draft another quarterback.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: That's all he has to do. Just don't make us
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: look bad. show up to places on time, be where
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you need to be, be a quarterback that everybody can
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: look at and say, that's our quarterback. There's lots of
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: teams out there with bad quarterbacks. This wouldn't be any different.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And I think people are more okay with their quarterback
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: being bad if they do everything right than a really
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: talented quarterback doing a lot of things wrong. Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: See, I guess, and maybe I'm still holding out because
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I still want to be right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But the ceiling there with Richardson is still there.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And who knows, right?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe you wind up in a place where Daniel Jones
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: can get out there and then make it to where
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you have to bench him. Like, you know, these sorts
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of things happen. Geno Smith got his job back with
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the Jets, for example, after a point where Ryan Fitzpatrick
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: went back to being Ryan Fitzpatrick and then he In
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the Geno Smith story, tore his ACL immediately after.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: That boy got terrible luck.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Terrible luck, I tell you. But with the Colts, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I guess you look at it, you look at Ballard
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and Steichen and everything else, it had to be bad
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: for them to make the call of, we got to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: get somebody else in here to do this. Because their
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: asses are on the line if it doesn't work out.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And Ballard loves him. Ballard absolutely loved him coming out
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: of the draft. I actually talked to him Ballard a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: lot about Anthony Richardson before the draft. And the feelings
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that he had about him, the way that he thought
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: about him as a passer, he got me to see
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: things that he does in his game. I'm like, hey,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I think that you're right. I think that he can
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: be special. And it would be terrible for him not
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to be able to do the things that he needs
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: to do. Like we see Kyler Murray be able to manage,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of guys in that locker
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: room who don't love Kyler Murray, but he's able to
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: manage it well enough for him to still be the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: starting quarterback. That's all I want Anthony Richardson to do.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Because if he gets to be on the field consistently,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I think that we're going to see the things that
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: you see and even Chris Ballard sees.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: During the break, I'm going to tell Quincy my Kyler
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Murray story. And then coming up next, we're going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: get some more quarterbacks. All right, we are back with
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Quincy Avery, quarterback, coach. Now, I see you got the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts jersey behind you. I am going to ask
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you to tell me, because I have a certain measure
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of skepticism. I don't know if skepticism is the right
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: way to put it, right? But I am not as
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: high on Jalen Hurts as a lot of people are.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: What is something that you feel like he does that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: he actually does not get credit for beyond the big
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: old winning word?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, beyond winning, I think that Jalen Hurts rallies a
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: locker room around him and gets them with a singular
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: focus and mission better than anybody I've ever seen. If
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts wasn't a quarterback, he'd be a CEO of
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: a Fortune 500 company. where he can get everybody in
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: a room to work towards one mission in a way
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that I've never seen before. When Jalen Hurts was with
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: me preparing for the NFL draft, I've never seen anything
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like this. He had three guys in his apartment who
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: were all training with him. Jalen Hurts would, they would
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: go out and Jalen would not go out. Okay. He
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: didn't go out one time. He's in the living room
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: watching his film. They get back from the club. He's like, yo,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: y'all take a seat on this couch. We're about to
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: watch film because you guys need to get better like
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I just got better. He challenges people and makes them
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: do things that they're uncomfortable with and didn't know that
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: they could do until they get with somebody like him.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: So we can all have a level of skepticism about
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the things he does on the field. He does have
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the best team around him. He does. But he also
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: gets in the way. And there's a lot of other
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks who've had great teams around them and haven't won
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: in the same way that Jalen does. And I think
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: it's a lot to do with who he is and
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: his character and how he's pushing those guys and challenging them.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: each and every day to be the best version of himself.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what I give him credit for.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I give credit to any dude, that's the dude that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: got all the ladies loving him and he ain't a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: sucker about it, right? Like you're a little bit younger
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: than me, but when LL Cool J was licking his
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: lips all the goddamn time and doing all that stuff,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it was so unnecessary, brother, because you don't have to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: do that, right? It's the capitals on the yard. They
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: got to act like that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Not you.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You LL Cool J. You can just be who you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: are and you can make this happen. That's how I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: feel when I see Jalen Hurts out there. It's like
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Allen Iverson was in the same space. Like, oh, okay, cool.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: They love you. You deserve that. You earned that, right?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: We ain't even got no room to hate. You see, like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: if we was in the crew, you'd let us holler
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: at some of the runoff.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you. He'd bring them out for you, you know
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Get out your way, let you handle
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: your business.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He's like, yo, I got a girl,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: but she got friends, and so we can all come
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: kick it, and then everything be cool, you know?
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: That's the type of brother Jalen is. I do want
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to give him credit there. He's done an amazing job
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: with that. Even, you know what I'm saying, how he
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: moved in terms of keeping his relationship on the low,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: and then we're married.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Now, let me ask this.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: When you talk about, you know, the Eagles, to your eye,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: how good are they talent-wise? Because they've made some changes.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think the offensive line is going to be
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: quite as freakish, but it's still kind of crazy to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: me that, I mean, they got white boys playing DB,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and they cold, too.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: They got the best wide receiver room in the league.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: They got the best running back in the league. Not
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: the best O-line anymore, but they're going to have one of.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Best D-line, best secondary. Like, they have all the things
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: that you need, and I think they built a team
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: in a way where They've given themselves room at positions
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: of less importance, like linebackers, some of the interior line.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: But everything else is top tier, top notch. I see
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: them being the most talented team in the NFL, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: they're going to be that way for a while.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I'll say it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: You've got to be that talented with the Sirianni factor.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I'll give this to Sirianni, though. Sirianni got them really
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: on that last year didn't happen. Ain't no defending champions thing,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and they really seem to believe it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: He was on the brink of getting fired. I think
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: that people have forgotten that he was about to get fired,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and he's not a good coach. In my opinion, he's
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: not a good coach. I think that he's the biggest
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: benefactor of Jalen Hurts being on that team because he
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: is immature. And Jalen Hurts looks at him like, you
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: need to get it together, all right? So I'm going
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: to be the adult in the room. You calm your
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: ass down. I got it when I get back out there.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And that's the biggest thing for him is he gets
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to be who he is because Jalen Hurts.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I sent a tweet during the season last year that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: pops up from time to time. And I think this
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: is when Sirianni got into it with the fans. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, they're just counting down. Like they're putting
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: off the inevitable. Like you're going to have to fire
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: this man. And please ask Doug Peterson. It can still happen.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Like the Superbowl does not necessarily take you that far
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to prevent somebody from letting you go. But I, they
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: are that loaded. They're like Howie Roseman. Let us never
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: forget Howie Roseman got demoted.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: 10 years ago so they could.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Turn everything over to chip kelly and it took them
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like nine months and they were like hey not gonna be.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Able to do that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: All right, so I want to ask you, moving off
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the Eagles to the team they lost to, or they beat, rather.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: They did not lose that Super Bowl. I'm sorry.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs. What have you thought of the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: last couple of years of Patrick Mahomes, where the numbers
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: aren't as good, but it's not like you're going to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: convince me he got worse?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think he got worse at all. I think
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: that he's been a product of what defense are doing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I think that we're going to see an ability to
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: push the ball down the field a little bit more.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: more aggressive this year. I know people have talked so
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: much about these two high shell defenses, this and the third.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: But I think that the way that they're playing the
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: game now, these two high shells are really rotating into
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: one high simulation looks of two highs. So we'll see
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: cover six, three buzz, things like that. And Patrick Mahomes
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: is going to be able to start pushing the ball
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: down the field in a way that he wasn't before.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: And I think that losing Tyreek Hill causes a lot
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: of that. And I hate to say it, but we
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: see one of the best tight ends of the game
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: slowly but surely becoming one of the not best tight
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: ends of the game. He's really good in moments that matter,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: but I think it's harder for him to consistently do
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: it each and every week. So they've got to continue
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to find some guys that can do it. The crazy
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: part is, though, Patrick Mahomes is so underpaid, I would
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: be kicking ass and raising hell about the guys that
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I have around me because he needs some real talent.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Well, is he like the new Cam Newton in that sense?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Because the thing that Cam Newton has never gotten enough
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: credit for is... even when he was out there with
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Ted Ginn as his number one receiver, everything else, his
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: belief was, you give.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Me 10 guys, I got it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to get this done.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Very few quarterbacks as talented as he was would have.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Handled that in that way. Mahomes, who didn't take all
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the money that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: He possibly could have, where I'd be mad is when
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Dirk was in Dallas and I'm giving y'all back all
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: this money for you to give it to who?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Exactly. That boy Patrick Mahomes took the most team-friendly deal ever.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: 10 years, 50 million, that's just not enough. He's probably
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the 12th highest paid quarterback right now. If I'm him,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: we got to renegotiate tomorrow. I'm not sure what kind
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of equity he's getting in the Kansas City Chiefs post-career,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: but we need to figure out something.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Well, they went out there and they got some fast guys,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: but I like Worthy, but Worthy's not big. Rice is
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: certainly going to have to spend some time on the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: list for what happened with him and with that accident.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: But Mahomes is the best quarterback I feel like I've
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: ever seen, but I understand completely why people would feel
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: or could feel like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen has
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: passed him based on what you've seen.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I would— I think that Lamar Jackson the past couple
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: of years has been playing quarterback position better than anybody.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I think that his ability to be so dynamic with
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: his legs, we take that away from him. He's still
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: one of the best throwing quarterbacks in NFL. Something that
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: we talk about as a weakness coming out of college.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: He's been able to complete 68% of his passes and
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: he's being able to go through reads and work through
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: a system in that way. I don't think that there's really,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's close to what Lamar's doing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So really, what do you think separates him from Josh Allen?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I think that the added ability in the run game
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: with their zone read scheme, he really takes away a
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: defender for the other guys.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: It's not just about what he's doing. I think that
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Derrick Henry is not the same quarterback as he was before,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: but the things that Lamar Jackson has been able to
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: do for him allows him to take his game to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the next level. I think their stats are pretty comparable,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: although Lamar Jackson's are better. So he's a little bit
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: better there, but he makes everybody else around him. so
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: much better. And I think that's what makes him special
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: in my opinion.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think he gets a little hiccup-y in the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: postseason and that becomes the issue there?
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I think that he may make the moment too big
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: for himself. That was how I felt. We just want
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: you to be the same guy that you were all regular.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: You don't have to do anything extra. And I think
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that that's the biggest message that we got to get
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: across to him is just be yourself because you are
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: good enough. And You know, people are going to make plays,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: but I think that you're going to make more if
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you just allow yourself to be consistent.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And I admit I am generally skeptical, like panickers are
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: going to be panickers forever.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So like Sam Darnold is going to be a panicker forever. forever.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen somewhere along the.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Way broke every rule in everything that I've ever seen.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: He stopped being inaccurate, and you remember that game against
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the Texans.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The Texans, where he threw the ball down the field
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: to a fullback. Sir, what is going on? What did
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: you see that none of us saw that made you
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: think that that was a good decision?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That was one of several crazy decisions that he made.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I watched that game so thankful. I said, oh, my
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: life is going to change because of you. Yes, yes, yes.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But then he turned into something completely different. Like he
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: looks as confident when I see him as anybody when
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: these moments come around now. And I did not think
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it was possible for people to make that transition. Lamar
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: seemed to do that in part in the second half
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: of that game against Buffalo, where it started like a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: lot of those other playoff games did, where he's coming
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: off the sideline and he's slamming the helmet and you
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: can see how tight he was. And even with Mark
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Andrews making the two worst plays literally of his career,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you saw, it felt to me like Lamar had perhaps
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: turned a corner at that point.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: And I hope and think that that's what we have. Like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: he got to do it. He really won that game,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: in my opinion. He did everything that you needed to
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: do to win the game. Some people just fell short
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: in terms of being able to do the things that
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: they needed to finish the job. But I think after
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: seeing that, as poorly as he played in the first half,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: as well as he played in the second half, he's like,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I got it. And I'm willing to bet a lot
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: of money that the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: because of that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: They're another loaded squad.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: They have the guys to the place now where, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it feels somewhat unfair, there's no excuse for Lamar Jackson now.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Well, things happen. You never know what the circumstances are
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: going to be.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: But no, you will not be able to say, as
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you could have in previous years, that they just didn't
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: have enough dudes.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: If they stay healthy, they're up there with the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: The secondary they have with Kyle Hamilton, those two corners,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: they've got a lot of things working in the right direction.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: All right, before we get out of here, you being
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, I am very curious how this is going
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to go with Captain Durag, Michael Penix, who does not
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: have waves.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think he even has hair, but he has durags.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Durags by the thousands of durags. I have been kinder
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to the Falcons for the selection than a lot of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: other people because I'm like, hey, we're going to find out, right?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: You think he's that guy? We're going to see if
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: he's that guy. He was older than your typical draft pick.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: There are mobility questions. There are questions about his ability
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to throw it over the middle, but they've got maybe
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the most talented running back in the league behind him,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Drake London on the outside, and maybe this is the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: year that Kyle Pitts.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Puts it together.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: What do you see from Pennix, or what do you
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: think one should expect from him?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I think that we're going to see somebody who's able
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: to be explosive in the passing game. I think that
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: they were completely limited from that. They have a really
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: good wide receiver room, and I think that we didn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: get to see that with Kirk Cousins. He just wasn't
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: who he was supposed to be. I anticipate him being
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: under Jaden Daniels, but he's going to be the best
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: year two quarterback this upcoming year. I think their offense
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: does some really good things. I think Zach Robinson is
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: going to put him in a lot of positions where
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: he's able to play action, come off of that, Drake
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: London to Kyle Pitts, and just check it down to B. John.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And if you're able to do those things at the
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: level I saw him do things at last year, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: think that he's going to be special. Now, if he
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: can take the do-rag off, I think that puts us
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: in a better spot. I just went to a country
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: club with Pennix. You know, this is a fancy country club.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: $ 100, 000 at least membership. He was definitely wearing the silky. Like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: do-rag on. Everybody's looking at him like, yo, you got
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: your shirt tucked in, hat for it. Nah, he's got
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: a pink do-rag. I thought that was the wildest thing
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I'd ever seen.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yo, yo, kind of here for it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, that dude was in college doing halftime interviews,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: shouting out the homies on the bricks.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: They just get named a street after him and where
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he from in Tampa. It's the intersection of Martin Luther
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: King and Michael Pinnock's Drive. And I have been told
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: if you guys from Tampa think this is wrong. Okay,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: but I have been told that that sounds, that that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: is not just sounds like a treacherous intersection.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It is, in fact, not the place.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Like Michael Penix is like, do you have any clue
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: what I had to do to get here? And you
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: know that because he was willing to go to Indiana
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to get out.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: He just is trying to make it out. Whatever he
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: can do to get out, he's willing to do.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: But do you think he has it?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Because as a college quarterback, he looked like he had it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And all that, if you watched him play at Indiana, Look,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: he was too good to be playing at that version
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of Indiana.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: We'll put it like that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: He was, to me, talent-wise, I think that he's up there.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: He definitely had the benefit of just being older than
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of other guys. So he's going to be
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: really good right now for year two quarterback. But does
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: he get better than that is the real question. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: think that we're going to see him hit his peak
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: really early. And I think we're probably there, honestly. He's
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: not going to get much better than who he is
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: right now, but I think that's still going to be
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: a really good quarterback for a really long time. Maybe
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: not a top five quarterback in the NFL, but you're
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: going to be able to have success with him as
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: your quarterback. You might not win because you're a quarterback,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: but he's going to be able to do a lot
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: of things the right way.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: All right, we got around the NFL.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: We're not going to get to every quarterback here, but
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the last one I want to ask about before we
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: go is, are you ready for the Ben Johnson-Caleb Williams
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: crossover that, I mean– Big Brain Ben can do some
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: incredible things. Caleb Williams talent wise can do some incredible things.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: How does that come together?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: You know how I was talking about Deshaun playing in
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: an offense that was so much different than the things
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: that he was comfortable doing? Ben Johnson is going to
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: ask you to be as on time, as rhythmic as
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: you could possibly be at the quarterback position. It is
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: one hitch, two hitch, three hitch, Hit the check down.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: That is not how Caleb William plays. Now, if he
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: can find the ability to play in that way and
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: then let his Superman cape come out when it's absolutely necessary,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to see great things. But I
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: think this year is going to be very, very rough
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams. And it's not because he's not talented.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: It's just because we're asking him to do things that
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: are so different than the things that he's been asked
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: to do previously.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Well, knowing what you know about what Ben Johnson does,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: is there room for him to compromise? Because it seems
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: silly to try to make the dude be something that
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he's not. No, I don't.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think that as a coach, as a coach,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: you are going to be who you've always been. And
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I think that oftentimes we're like, well, why doesn't the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: coach just change and do the things that the quarterback's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: comfortable with? Well, you're the guy calling the plays. You
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: are always going to become the what you are used to,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: what you're familiar with, the things that you have. created
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: your success with. You're like, I only know how to
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: be successful this way. And I haven't got a head
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: coaching job doing any other way. So for me to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: do something different now, I would rather just find a
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: new quarterback. And that's the issue that happens when a
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: quarterback gets somewhere and loses their coach first couple years.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: You get a new head coach or a new system
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: and it just doesn't fit the things that you were
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: able to do successfully to get there. Not that their
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: offense last year made his playing style look particularly great either,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: but The situation we're in right now, I don't know
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: if it matches.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, I'm a day one Detroit Lions fan
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: since 2001.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, 2021 rather.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And it's going to take me a long time to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: get over the bright idea of letting Jameson Williams, who
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: already tried to hump the center of the earth after
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: scoring a touchdown and then saying, we need to let
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that man throw a pass.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll make the right read.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure who makes worse decisions, Jameson Williams or Williams.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, the situation where he asked him to make
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: a good decision.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I just, brother, he still had a chance to win
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the game. Like we still had a chance to win
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the game. And the dude that got caught placing bets
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: at the facility is the one that you put the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: ball in his hands to do the right thing.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: He's got a propensity for bad decisions, okay? So we
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: need to slow this thing down, take a step back,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, give ourselves an opportunity to
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: win the game. But as I said before, you're going
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: to do the things that you've done to get here.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: He likes to go trick plays. And he said, I'm
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: going to let it ride. And that's where it got him.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Hey, man.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: That's Quincy Avery. Check him out on Twitter, quarterback coach.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: My man, first time having you on.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hope we can get to do this again.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Man, truly appreciate you.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: All right, man. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much
• 42:32
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• 42:34
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• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 42:38
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