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Channeled Wisdom | Evolving Consciousness with Paul Selig · The Observatory | Discovery of Consciousness & Awareness

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Welcome to the Observatory Podcast with your host Scott and Laray Wright. Join us
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each week as we explore living life from the inside out. Welcome back to
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the Observatory Podcast Today. We are honored to have as our guest author and
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chandler Paul Selig. We're excited to have him share with us a message that
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he's been bringing through for several years. Sit back and relax and enjoy.
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Paul Selig. Welcome back to the Observatory Podcast today. We are joined by
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Paul Selig, an author, and we were introduced to his book some time
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ago. We've read all of his books and we really enjoy what he is
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has been giving us. He's a channeler. And welcome Paul. We're so
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glad to have you here. Yes, welcome Paul all the way from Hawaii
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today. I'm on Mallie Yes whatever, a beautiful place to live. Well,
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the people that we have on our podcast may not be really even aware
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of what it is that you do, So would you mind just kind of
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giving an introduction to what you do? I'd be awesome. Well, I'm
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at chandler. I think of myself sometimes like a radio, and I'm not
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entirely sure how this developed. I'm not somebody who necessarily even believe very much
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in channeling, but I work with guides that teach through me, and they
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dictate books through me. So I don't write anything. I sit in a
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chair, I close my eyes, and I hear it much like you would
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hear a broadcast. It's as if it's not an external voice in the room.
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It's a thought that blocks out all other thoughts, that has a very
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distinct quality to it. So when I'm chandling, I'm just tuned into a
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very specific station that is present in delivering information at a very very rapid pace.
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There are eleven books now, and there's no editing. I mean it's
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literally the books are transcribed from recordings and that's it. We go back and
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spell check and check punctuation, but maybe if three words might be changed and
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retext if I mispronounced them. So I'm a conduit for a level of information.
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When I work as a psychic, which I do as well, which
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is a different skill set, the radio that I am tunes into you,
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and then I hear an aspect of you or the people that you will ask
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about. So that seems to be my work. I tend to think of
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it as kind of stenography. Really, I don't glamorize it at all.
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It's this very odd way of transmitting information, and I'm really just the medium
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by which it comes true. Yeah, it's when we first started listening to
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you, it was a little bit we preferred to read it because it was
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a little bit distracting the way it channels. And I'm sure you'll freely admit
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that, because you receive it and kind of mumble the words and then it
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comes through and you pronounced the words then clearly. And it was a little
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bit distracting at first, but we enjoy watching it now. I'm used to
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it too. You know that I didn't start out trying to channel. I
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started to open up as a Claire audience, which is, you know,
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clear hearing. When I was working, I was volunteering at a center for
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people that were living with life challenging illnesses, doing energy work. I'd started
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a form of healing. I was very quiet about it. I was a
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college teacher for most of my adult really all of my adult life until I
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stopped. But I started hearing things for people that they began to confirm.
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And when I started doing a little group in my apartment. I wasn't planning
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on channeling, but I used to. Initially. When it would come,
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I literally felt like somebody had their lips pressed against my forehead, and as
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the word was being impressed into me, I was forming it with my lips,
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and that's how the whisper repeat began. It's a bit of a loop.
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Yeah, So I can imagine like reading ticker tape, you know,
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or fortune cookies one after another. That's really the process I'm used to it.
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I mean, I don't know how people channel. I've seen video of
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some people. It seems I don't watch and follow other channels. I saw
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some footage of Jane Roberts, who channeled Seth working back I guess the early
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nineteen seventies, and I recognized it. I recognized the physical process because for
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me, it's a very physical experience. It's not just like I'm flooding in
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a cloud, and it's certainly not like I'm reading the front page of the
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tabloids and giving everybody what they want to hear about the evils of the world.
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Right. It's a very specific way of working. And there are times
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when I don't channel with a whisper and repeat, and then I don't remember
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anything pretty much, and that's a little unnerving for me. This way,
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I'm actually able to question the teachings if I need clarification. I describe and
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very simply as climbing to the back seat of the car and turning the wheel
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over to my guides. And then if from the back seat, if I
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hear something that strikes me as confusing or impossible, I lean up and I
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say what's this about? And they'll say, Paul is interrupting, and then
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I'll usually take my question. Yeah, I love that. I love that
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we feel that you are a student along with us if you would, you
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know, probably at a different level, but still having that same relationship with
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the guides in terms of listening and being taught by them. Oh, I'm
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not a spiritual teacher and I'm certainly not a guru, and I don't want
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to or need to glamorize this. I think that's a trap that people can
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get into around spiritual world. I am aware that I have this audibility that
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has a level of skill attached to it, and that's because I've been doing
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it a long long time. You know, this didn't just I mean I
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didn't start lecturing, or I wasn't aware at least that I was lecturing until
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two thousand and eight. I was channeling, or they were bringing through attunements,
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but mostly I was hearing directions for how to work with specific energies.
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They were sort of building me. I think through that process, I had
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been a heavy smoker, and I quit smoking in two thousand and eight.
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The guide said in a group in front of people, we want to continue
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to work with you where you're going to have to stop this if we're ape,
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so we can be able to and I actually did stop the next day,
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which still amazes me. Yeah. Well, but you know, but
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they started lecturing at that point, and all I knew was that I was
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talking more and I wasn't recording anything, and certainly I wasn't transcribing. I
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didn't want to hear it. I didn't like to hear myself channel for the
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reasons you mentioned. It's kind of awkward and why am I? Why is
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this happening this way? And this is the way it's happening. And a
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medium that I had met, an old time spiritual medium, a wonderful woman,
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ninjet Nick, found out that I was not recording and transcribing, and
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was mildly indignant about it. And because I respected her, I did what
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she said, and the next week I record I recorded it, and then
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I sat there and I typed it up and I saw that it was like
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a five or seven page lecture that required no editing. And I had been
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a writer with the worst case of writer's block of anybody I've ever met in
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my life, which was a source of tremendous shame for me because I was
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teaching writing and goring teacher. But that was a game changer for me.
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About five seven pages no editing. I wanted to see every week, you
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do what happened again, and every week every week, and then maybe I've
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been doing this for a few months, they said, we have a book
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to write, and if you take two weeks, we'll do it. And
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that was the very first book of the series, called I Am the Word
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Yeah, And that tremendous book that's been a foundation. When we read that
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book the first time, we read it years ago, and then we revisited
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it again about a year ago and read in a second time after we had
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read everything else that you had done. And when we went back and revisited,
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we recognized what a foundational work that first one was because it lays the
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groundwork for everything that's coming afterward and how to really tune into that, as
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you say, and it's been beautiful. That's my feeling about that book too.
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I haven't revisits. I don't really read the after they're done. I'm
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the only time, and I don't even really read the transcripts of the individual
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lectures unless there's something that was really surprising that I wanted to go back and
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see what they were talking about. Because when I'm doing, especially when they're
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dictating a book, it's so intense. I'm just trying to keep up.
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I'm just trying to amass the pages really through you know what what what is
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the book link manuscript that they're they're delivering, So I keep an eye on
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how far they seem to be. But one of the books was five hundred
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pages, so what do I know? Right? But the first But but
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I do read them. When I do the audiobooks, that's the first time
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I sit in the chair and read them all around and really get and that's
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when I really go, wow, my goodness is no editing and no writing
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and this makes sense. I'm still surprised at the coherence. But the first
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book I also believe holds the DNA for the entirety of the teaching that everything
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else is a real detailed unpacking. I mean, it's kind of like a
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foundational course and then you go to you know, the advanced courses you can
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understand the basics of chemistry. I don't. I think I've never even took
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it, and if I did, I would have failed it before you get
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into you know, the way the universe is put together, and that's kind
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of what this has been like, Yeah, which kind of leads us to
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the teachings of the Guides because they also say, you know, if we
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were to give you everything at once, there's no way that you could hold
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it. And so that's also that same premise about you know, building building
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our spiritual awareness, our individual awareness, undoing some of the stories that are
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preventing us from understanding that at a level of where we live today. And
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I think that's been really important for me because it's given me permission then to
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lean in a lot easier and be that beginner at whatever stage I am.
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I feel like a beginner, I really in their life terribly human, are
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wonderfully human, and you know, but I know how my life has changed,
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you know, through this encounter, and you know my feeling about how
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the teaching unfolds because it is like an unfoldment. The books are energetic transmissions.
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They're all working with the vibrational field and consciousness of the reader. And
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the guides actually say that they mentor the students as they work with them.
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They're getting the books, they're being supported in their and their comprehension. And
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a lot of people have reported that, you know, but the books.
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They can feel the energy of the books, and that's the same with every
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you know, that's just been going on since the beginning. But I think
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that they bring us to a plate the place that we have to acclimate to
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each level. You know. It's almost like when you're you've been in a
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very dark cave and you're brought to the right. If you brought out too
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quickly, you might want to retreat back into the darkness. It's too sudden
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and too frightening, you know, and you can go blind, you know.
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So I think that we're led through this in ways that we can hopefully
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integrate and manage. That's my hope. I hear people whose I read seven
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books and lockdown and I'm going, great, it was a seven. It's
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a lot to read, and yeah, for times because people were doing that,
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and it's not a rush to the altar, you know, there's a
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they're bringing this through at a level that I can maintain. I have no
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idea what the really almost no idea what the next book is going to be.
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And I'm supposed to start dictation sometime this summer. It's due in the
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fall. They think about thirty days of sessions, maybe thirty five, you
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know, depending on how often how many hours I'm channeling in a day.
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And it's they're done all now, in front of audiences, in front of
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groups. I don't know. I don't do the books on the phone like
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I used to with one person, you know, in me recording, And
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I don't know yet, and I'm hoping I know, and I just have
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to trust what they've been doing. They haven't let me down yet or let
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us down yet. But I'm with you all. You know, you may
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know the work better than I do because you read it as a student,
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and I'm in some ways the radio, you know. And I used to
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say no the radio doesn't get to dance to the music, you know,
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And maybe I do now more than I art lest I feel that I do,
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But I'm not in a rush to enlightenment. I don't know that that
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happens for me in this lifetime. But I do understand when they talk about
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realization and what that means, and the idea of being realized, which means
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moving to a level of knowing which is demonstrable and experiential. You know,
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It's that's what I if I have an aspiration with this work, it's to
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rest there or grow from that awareness. I don't know that it's about having
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it be done well. One of the things that the work, there's so
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much, but one of the things that I've really enjoyed is how it has
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helped me understand language that I learned through through a faith based environment for a
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long time. How I now understand that language such as resurrection, and how
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how much more relevant the explanation is about what that really means today to the
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environment that we're in. You know, what we are called to do in
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terms of our own awakening and just what that resurrection process is versus what some
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of the faith based beliefs were of my youth. Yeah, I would agree
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with that. The other thing about that what she's saying it the faith based
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is an outside in type of learning, where this is a learning that happens
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within. It's an inside out type of learning. And it's it's been for
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both of us a transformational way of looking at things, because it's Christ consciousness
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that you're you're talking about mostly, but not in a way that we've heard
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anyone else talk about it, at least, you know, not that we
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know everyone out there who's talking. But the message is very universal across lots
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of different things that have nothing to do with Christ consciousness, whether it's Buddha
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or anything, is all coming leading back to this scene place and then having
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you know, a very pivotal part for me, and I remember reading this
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over and over and over was that everything is of God or nothing is,
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and really taking that in and having that resonate in terms of vibration, so
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that my language has changed, you know, my I no longer judge things.
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I hold them in a vibrational form. If you would, Some feel
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dancer to me, some feel lighter. And so from that standpoint, I
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think the wisdom and guidance from the Guides is just so powerful for anyone wanting
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to create more harmony and grace in their own life as they continue this path.
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Well, that's lovely to hear, you know. I you know,
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I'm an old time twelve stepper, you know. And I remember there's a
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line, Um, God is everything or God is nothing? What's hard choice
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to be in that we're lit. I remember hearing out of twenty five and
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if the Lord Man you was the adots hold themselves in darkness so much from
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whatever their addiction is, and that that place that they hold themselves in darkness
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and outside of God is not outside of God. Yeah, Judgment and Shane,
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it's all of that. Yeah, Now it's you know, it's a
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big it's a big journey. So you know, like I, like we
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were saying before, we're we're students of the Guides. Literally, we've we've
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taken a lot of time to do that. We read daily. We don't
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necessarily read this daily. We spend time as a couple just exploring reading.
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We've done a lot of work, the work that we are each doing.
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Um. I was led into a world of music through some other experiences,
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things that I had, And I notice when you channel that you're you move
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kind of back and forth like this, like a wave. And in music
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it's the same thing. It's a rhythm. And I wonder if you'd be
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willing to speak to that, if there's somewhat of a rhythm to the cadence
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of when you're when you're a channeling or not. I don't always. When
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there's some early videos of me channeling, um, I think they're up online
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someplace probably, And I used to rock like that. Yes, it's like
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being at the whaling wall or something. I didn't understand it at all,
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um, But I think some of it just may have been the energy movement
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through me. Often now there's sort of a figure a that comes when I'm
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first bringing the energy in. Once i'm working and channeling, I'm not I'm
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far less aware of the movement. Yeah, And I don't know that it's
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about cadence. I do think it's about resonance, and I think that's me
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acclimating to whatever is present and coming through in the live workshops. It's true
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people experience it in the online things as well, but when you're in a
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live workshop, you know, and there's a bunch of people and the guides
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are bringing the energy in and teaching people how to work with the energy.
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Everybody's some people are rocking around, but mostly you don't have to, you
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know, I don't. It's not dramatic for me anymore. When I was
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younger, I like the drama of the energy because it was real and vague,
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you know, And I'm far less attached to that. I don't need
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this to be a revival meeting, sure, I just like knowing that the
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energy is there, and for me, that's experiential. And when people come
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to these things, they're feeling the energy, often in a way they never
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have for the first time, and then having their own response to that.
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I don't know that God speak a lot of out music. I mean,
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I chorus in high school. I didn't take scion know, I didn't take
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science, you know, I could cud care of less. And the guides
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often say that they don't use the language of science because it will be alternative,
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will be out and mooded, you know, in a hundred years and
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were using different language for things that they do. They do speak in musical
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terms. Octives yet resonance. Sound, Everything is in sound, everything is
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in tone, everything is in your your right now and I we're in co
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resonance or a you know, claiming our reality through our our tonality, and
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there's actually toning in the channel. There's a point where they tone. Now
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they do it. Yeah, I hated it when there's a lot of things
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that I hated it when they started doing any It's a long story, but
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you know, it's like, oh, brother, I have to do this
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now. But yeah, they tone through me or we tone and and they're
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saying that they're claiming a field through that field or resonance where things can happen,
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you know. And I think it's a way when you're working with a
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disparate group of people as well, for people to everybody, Kyle line up
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in the sound so that they can happen or whatever the lesson is that's intended
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can be received well. To kind of put a parallel with that with my
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own experience we facilitate. We started facilitating this music stuff is basically just drum
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circles. People would come with just drums, and that expanded into lots of
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other things at this point. But what we all started to experience together is
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when we would allow ourselves to get out of the way that the music would
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channel just like you're doing it. The music just channels through and it becomes
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what it's becoming. And it was this powerful experience because none of us are
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really trained musicians, none of us read notes, none of us have studied
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music, but we just come into that space of being the music and allowing
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the music to come through. That's one of the things I asked that it's
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not it's not. I don't think it's that too much different. Yeah,
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you know, I am The guides that I work with primarily work with language
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because they are teachers, but they say the language is really there so that
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we have a context for the real teaching, which is energetic, so that
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we have some comprehension of what's happening. Um. And I I accept that,
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you know, I accept that I am more appreciative now at this stage
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of my life of forms of worship kirtan other other forms where which is really
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all about invocation of sound and deity and alignment. And I think that's a
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very sure ways of expressing source and being in agreement or alignment with it.
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But that's just me as a as an occasional participant, and not so much
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has not been my practice. I know people and that is their practice,
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and it's a beautiful practice. Go now. I know you've been on the
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Aubrey Marcus podcast a few times. We've watched and there's another guy that we
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know I consider a Mentor's name is putting Gee. I don't know if you
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know him as a musician. Been on Aubrey a few times as well,
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but he talks about that space of getting out of the way and allowing the
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music to come through. I've seen him do it and others do it,
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and I've started talking about it as this music not being a performance anymore but
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an invitation, and the invitation is to come and join. And that's what
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I feel with your work. It's an invitation to just be in the vibration
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of what's being channeled through, not so much attached to the words, because
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it's easy to get attached to the form of the words. Everybody puts a
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different meaning behind different words. But I love some of the words that they've
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had coming through, like individuated consciousness. When they said individuated consciousness, that
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was to me, that was like, oh wow, that's the perfect way
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of expressing what we actually are. And I'd never heard it expressed that way
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well. And even today we were finishing the last recording of Sacred Union and
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they talked about attonements at atonement. Yeah, and it was you know,
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it was a powerful It was the way they said it that we both looked
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at each other like, wow, We've never thought of it that way,
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because they do use language in a very interesting way. They extracted the word
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in atonement, the extracted tone out of it a hone meant meaning that it
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was the vibration of the word. Whereas in the religious world that we were
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in, when people would try to explain atonement, the atonement of Jesus Christ
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was him paying for our sins and the religion we belonged to. But then
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they also would say at one month, that's another way to say, let's
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say that, let's you know, that's been said. I don't know,
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you remember better than I do. You know, Yeah, another book that
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comes out in a few months, and that's been you know, the audio
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book is still happening for that, so I haven't read the whole thing through
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yet, but that's the teaching beyond it, which is like something I think,
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so, um, Paul, I may take us a little bit in
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a different direction now. But you know, one of the things, especially
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for listeners who maybe haven't read or experienced the Guides, can you share a
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little bit about what you are hearing the Guides say about the times we're living
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in right now. You know, we're so divisive and we're so we're so
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individuated at times, and yet the Guides really tell us that, you know,
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we we are individuated and collective like the drop of water in the ocean.
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And so perhaps just share some of those insights that the Guides talking about
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to kind of bring that conversation to what's real irrelevant today. Well, the
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Guide said in the very first book, which was channeled in two thousand and
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nine, that humanity was at a time of reckoning. And they said of
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reckoning as a facing of oneself and all of one's creations. And they went
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on to say something in the effect that, you know, everything that's been
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created in fear needs to be reseen and renown in a higher way. And
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I, you know, I don't get I don't look for world predictions.
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You know, I'm not doing that the genet stuff. But occasionally they do
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announce a shift of one kind or another in a way that you know is
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useful or helpful, you know for me, I mean I and I usually
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get that stuff for the back door, which I'm not looking. You know,
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I got stuff on nine to eleven before it habit. I didn't believe
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it because I go, I don't do this kind of thing. It wasn't
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my thing. And but when they teach about the times, they're really teaching
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I think as much as anything about the opportunities of the times that we're in
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for collective shift in consciousness. I personally have never gotten that it's some event
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and suddenly it's like the hundredth MOCHI and suddenly people are everybody's awake. I
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don't know, but it happens that way. I've actually I hear four generations
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is what I was told. Yeah, which was surprising to me and made
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a lot of people angry because they want it now. I want everybody to
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be awaked now, and I want what you do. That means is everybody's
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behaving the way I think they should. Yeah, my awakened world is I
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don't know, but it happens that way. It never has Why would it
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change it happen that way now? I don't know. I think it's exciting,
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and I think it's the it's a little wizard of Ozzie, you know.
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Right, if we wake up some face different, we wake up different,
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and our experience of our reality is altered, And because we are different
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and we're operating at a different level of tone, the manifestation of reality as
27:12
we know it is altered. That's what the guides are really teaching now,
27:15
how a world is made new through presence and being at a higher level of
27:21
tone. But I understand that this is a process, you know, like
27:25
everything else. I don't, And I think some of what's happening now is
27:30
that we are experiencing out a kind of polarity that we've been deeply invested in.
27:38
And the guides say, you know, the only real problem or challenge
27:45
that humanity is having is what they call the denial of the divine. And
27:48
that doesn't mean you believe in God or really you know, anything religious.
27:52
It's the denial of our innate connection to source in and of ourselves and everyone
28:03
and everything. Yeah, because they have said many times who you put in
28:07
darkness, what you put in darkness calls you to the darkness. That's just
28:11
a law, you know, that's that's it. So we invest in what
28:15
we don't like, and then we battle what we don't like, and we
28:18
have all this stuff, and I think we can continue to learn that way
28:22
until we blow ourselves up, which I basically heard is one of the ways
28:26
we might choose to learn. But I don't get that it's going to happen.
28:30
The guides have said, and this was surprising, we meetet close.
28:36
Well, yeah, I said, you can learn through whatever you want to
28:37
create from. They're not going to judge it. They're just higher ways to
28:41
learn. Then realizing the futility of war by you know, they excaid it
28:48
in the very very first book as then you build bigger bombs and bigger bombs
28:51
and the belief that they're going to keep you safe. Right, that's ridiculous.
28:55
It doesn't eventually they go off as the problem. Yeah, but they
29:00
started saying maybe two years ago. Then humanity has decided at a collective level,
29:07
like a collective soul level, that we are going to move beyond the
29:11
old paradigm of separation and fear. And so we don't get to move through
29:18
something by pretending it's not there, right, you know, Honestly, I'd
29:22
say if you've got a body buried in the basement. Eventually it's going to
29:26
stink up the whole house. So the process sometimes as boys, something smells
29:30
money in here, you know, and you start to deal with the reality.
29:36
And finally it has to be our participation in this reality, because the
29:41
God's say, if you can see, if it's present for you, seen
29:45
or unseen, that means you're in energetic accord to it, accord or acjo
29:52
rd is on a piano, you see. So people say I want to
29:56
manifest this, I want to manifest that we yet is that we are already
30:00
manifesting everything we see, including the crap we say we don't want right,
30:06
and that becomes our responsibility to attend to these things, and that God's teach
30:10
how to lift these things, how to lift the tone, how to shift
30:14
the vibrational tone of these things that are operating in a more dense way.
30:19
You don't do that by judging it or making it wrong or abilifying it.
30:23
Because to do that, they say, you can't lift the evil man to
30:27
what they call the upper room, which is Christ's consciousness. You can't lift
30:32
the evil man to the upper room because you have made him evil. Yeah,
30:36
but she aligned to that level of judgment and fear and all the things
30:41
that accompany it. So it's not a comfortable teaching. It's not an easy
30:45
teaching. But I hear that we're going to have a better experience down the
30:49
road. I don't know if it's in my lifetime. I hope it is,
30:52
but I don't count on that. Somebody. I was running in a
30:56
car once with these couple of people. They really to know my work,
31:00
you know, I knew I did this work, and they were really worried
31:03
about the state of the world. And these were like, really smart intellectual
31:08
people. What are your guides. What are you guys saying? I said,
31:12
I said to them, all the guys are saying is to take four
31:15
generation. And one of them said, well, that's really interesting because when
31:18
I didn't know this, when Moses led the Jews out at Israel, it
31:22
took forty years or four generations. And they said in order for them to
31:29
forget that they used to have been, they had been enslaved. It took
31:32
that long to remember the old paradigm. Maybe I don't think forty years is
31:37
a long time, but I'm not saying it's forty years, but I think.
31:42
I think it's hopeful. That's what I can say my experience, it's
31:48
been used to it. It is hopeful. One of the things that you
31:52
just mentioned as you began that was this concept of presence and being, And
31:57
for me, I was already leaning into finding my own way to become present.
32:04
Music was part of that, Meditation was part of that. Lots of
32:07
different modalities to find that space. But um, you know where you're where.
32:13
You're a channel er and you're in that space. You have to be
32:15
present in that space for that to happen, for this channel to come through,
32:21
and we're for everyone who has any kind of gift whatsoever. There's this
32:27
space when you come into presence that allows that channel to open up for every
32:30
individual has that capacity for themselves. Doesn't mean you're channeling for the rest of
32:36
the world, but for yourself. And when you follow that presence and being,
32:39
it tends to that's where the magic is. That's the secret sauce to
32:43
create. Then I agree when I and you know, many years ago,
32:50
when I was going like, how do I know I'm real? How do
32:52
I know this Israel? How do I know that this is what I'm doing?
32:55
Israel? And this person said, Okay, Paul, try to channel
32:59
right now, and I couldn't because it wasn't you know, you can't try.
33:06
And I sometimes equate it if you know, stepping under a shower,
33:10
you do have to turn the faucet on, but you're not trying to feel
33:15
or experience the shower right you're you're in it. It's happening. Yeah,
33:20
and I that's the experience for me of this, and I do think it's
33:24
true. And you know, most writers and artists and athletes I know as
33:29
well talk about moving into this zone. Yes. I had a therapist years
33:34
ago who asked if when I was working I ever lost track of time,
33:39
and she said, that's a really good indicator that you're doing what you came
33:44
for because you're not. Basically, time doesn't exist in the same way because
33:47
you're separate. Rayl. Because we go to drum circles and four hours later
33:54
we're still drumming and not even knowing that we have been. And she's an
33:59
hour in to it. You know, she doesn't really enjoy sitting there for
34:02
four hours. She's great for an hour or for four hours, but we're
34:07
in it, so four hours later, the time just flies by that's totally
34:09
relatable. There shot that. Yeah, that's great. So maybe keeping on
34:15
presence and being that's been an area for me to work on. And as
34:21
the guides have talked about presence and being, I find it just really fascinating
34:25
that that they've said that it's effortless. And so it's like what you said
34:31
about the shower, and so when I'm when I'm okay, I'm going to
34:36
just really be present here, I have to remind myself like it isn't something
34:39
I'm doing anything to try to do right, it's just effortless and getting to
34:45
that place where it's more about allowing and just not having any expectations or attachment
34:52
to the moment or the moment that's going to follow next, and then I
34:54
suddenly find myself present and it's but it is something I think that everyone has
35:02
to work on. They have their own patterns, their own behaviors that are
35:07
preventing that, and it's something that everyone that's part of the learning, right
35:10
is to find that for yourself. I guess. So, you know,
35:15
it's it's a challenge for me, much easier than it used to be.
35:21
Um, but I know when I'm there, you know, I mean basically,
35:28
you know, it's just it's I don't know, you know, I
35:30
don't I honestly, I don't ponder this stuff much. I'm in it,
35:37
I'm with it. I'm impacted and informed by it. I'm not a good
35:43
meditator. I wish I was. Um, I that's just well own way,
35:47
right, that's just one way to get there. But I do love
35:51
going for walks, sure, and another way. So there's I don't know,
35:54
so yeah, but the teaching of presence and being that's relatively recent,
35:59
that's most of the last past a year or so. Yeah, that's really
36:01
about this. And I'm so much so that I thought it was going to
36:05
be the title of the book that they just finished, but it wasn't.
36:08
They call it the Book of Innocence, which also surprised me. But it's
36:13
a very interesting teaching. So we have an idea what the next book is
36:15
going to be titled. I haven't Oh don't you remember when you talked about
36:21
it? I don't remember sovereignty. Oh yes, I've loved the conversations around
36:25
sovereignty. I don't remember them, really, and I don't know that that
36:30
could be something that they address in the next book and talking about a world
36:36
made new as a focus for them. And I think in these books they've
36:40
been moving past or beyond the desires of the individual to the ramifications of operating
36:52
at this level on the manifest world that it has been increasingly. This trilogy
36:59
is called Manifestation Trilogy, so this will be the last book of that trilogy.
37:04
So it would make sense to me if they went there, But I
37:06
could be very very wrong. They've alluded to that, and I go,
37:08
that's not a good title. I hope that's not the title. But it's
37:12
not my business. Right, It'll be what it's going to be, But
37:15
it'll be what it's going to be, I guess, so you know,
37:19
I just I don't know until I literally don't have a date where the book
37:22
is going to start. I have a sense around of time, but i'll
37:28
usually last year or maybe the year before. I was in a channeling in
37:34
Berkelate over a weekend and the first night they delivered a lecture and I said,
37:40
and this is the introduction. I went, oh, great, we're
37:43
on another book. Because then it doesn't stop. Then almost every lecture they
37:46
deliver is amassing the teaching. So I don't know I'm happy enough to know
37:54
in advance, because I would get nervous. And the Book of Innocence comes
37:59
out out in September or August, September, September. We're looking forward.
38:06
Yeah, we're really looking forward. Oh yeah, I'm wrong. I think
38:08
it's September. Yeah, I think it's early September. Yeah, I couldn't
38:14
be. We're excited for that one. Um, wondering, and we're just
38:19
to ask you. Would we be putting you on the spot too much to
38:22
ask you to tap into us, to to do a little channeling? And
38:27
although is that putting you in the spot? Put me on the spot?
38:30
I'm on my first cup of coffee, um, and you know, I
38:35
mean I can, but when I tune into you, I'm working psychically.
38:37
The guys don't forget what we want, okay, you know, they could
38:43
care less if we get the promotion or away. That's not their teaching.
38:46
They care more about how we conduct ourselves and how we're learning and how we're
38:52
not choosing in fear, which is what they recommend. So while I can
38:55
step into you, I don't know if the guys are going to want to
38:59
come through or not. You know, they come through I once did a
39:01
book signing, an early book signing at a place in North Carolina, Ashville.
39:07
It was a really beautiful bookstore, and I did a little talk there
39:12
and I was just talking talking and some guides. Some poor man in the
39:15
audience raised his hand and said, well, well, the guide say something
39:20
for us, and they said, yes, we are not the entertainment.
39:25
I love that. I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,
39:30
it's not a dog and pony show with them. But if you want wish
39:34
there saying yes, if you wish, so, I can tune in.
39:37
But I don't know what you're what you're wanting to hear about. If I
39:39
tune into you, I'm just tuning in that I may get information. But
39:44
I think something that they've been talking about lately and they've become much more clear
39:52
about it, is the fact that that christ consciousness as it's manifesting now is
40:00
way different than what has been taught by Christianity over time. And I don't
40:05
know if they'd be wanting to would willing to go into that or not.
40:08
That's not for you or I thought you meant the talenty. It doesn't have
40:13
to go for us person, Yeah, not for us. But I don't
40:15
think there's anything for us personally. I'll see if they want to go here.
40:20
We don't say one thing, and saying we would only say one thing.
40:22
You create a religion, You create a religion. God or you know
40:24
who's God, God or what you think of as God, does not create,
40:28
does not create. Religions a manufactured identity. It's a manufactured identity.
40:31
I am a Christian, I am Hindu. I am a Christian, I
40:34
am a Hindu. With his way among selfrastructure, it is a way of
40:37
knowing the self through a structure. These things that we have useful, these
40:39
things can be highly useful. You are opportunities. You are opportuneness. You
40:44
can make any working benefit. You can make anything work to your benefit.
40:47
But the truth of the matter is, but the truth of the matter is
40:50
the idea of God. The idea of God has become self distorder for most
40:52
of you, has become so distorted from most of you don't even know the
40:57
You don't even know that you're going to that in your heart about the everydu
41:00
thing is working without the effort that you think is required. Religion is a
41:05
structure use one. Religion is a structure and a useful one. A textbook
41:07
is useful. A textbook is useful if it forwards your growth, if it
41:12
forwards your growth comprehension or comprehension on what you are to know who and what
41:16
you are the level of newspeach, at the level of identity we teaches reuniting
41:21
with is reunited with the self that already knows, that already knows your happidle
41:25
outside. You don't have to go outside to realize the source of all things.
41:29
To realize the source of all things, it is and as it is
41:31
in, as you all in, and as all all of that you encounterwards
41:37
e that you encounter and you see. Valm interrupts, Pom interrupts. Order
41:40
about different countures. But what about the difference in consciousness? But when you
41:44
teach between what you teach, what we're instructoratures, and what religious doctrine teaches.
41:47
Any true religion, any true religions, teaching love is teaching love and
41:52
claiming love, and claiming love and knowing God in love and knowing God in
41:55
love or the vibrational home or the vibration of love. Those who do not
41:59
be disordered, those religions will not be distorted. And the truth of our
42:01
religions is key, and the truth of our religions is key, even the
42:06
debasis of them, we could get to the basis of them. They responding
42:07
one truth, there is finally one truth of God is God is what have
42:12
you wish to call it, whatever you wish to call it, God is
42:15
God is to understand God, to understand Gods or letting a rols through a
42:19
litany of rules or subjective opinions or subjective opinions about the teaching. It's about
42:23
what a teaching means. Can be useful, can be useful, but it
42:27
is often distorting. But it is often distorting and distorted teaching and distorted teaching
42:31
is rarely useful, is rarely useful, but it maybe learn through. But
42:35
it may be learn through if you comprehend the meeting distruction, if you comprehend
42:38
the meeting of the distorts, then we'll beyond it and then beyond it thin
42:42
I can behama wasn't then it can become a blessing period And they're saying period
42:47
beautiful. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, thank you to the Gods for
42:52
coming through and sharing that for us today. We really appreciate it and because
42:58
we do see a lot of people people that are that are shedding faith and
43:02
you know, the faith of their childhood, the faith of parents, and
43:07
it can be a traumatic process to go through. Sure. Sure, I
43:13
was raised in a sort of an atheist you know. I mean, I've
43:15
got a painting a sacred heart because I love the burning hearts behind me.
43:21
But I've got you know, I've got Hindu deities on my desk. So
43:27
you know, we're all over the place here and quite inclusive. But I
43:30
think what the opportunity here is is a reclamation of truth. And the guides
43:38
have said, and they said it just now again that the basis of every
43:42
religion is actually pure. It's just been what's been added to it. Yeah,
43:45
it's got screwing, and most of that's been through politics and a need
43:51
to control. Yeah that's all. Yes, it's it's such a limiting way
43:58
of seeing things sometimes when we get stuck in the dogmatic thinking and the dogmatic
44:02
rules and different things that they just referred to. But there's truth in all
44:08
religions, and that truth, the basis of that, as they said,
44:13
is that love. It's community, it's coming together all of those things and
44:21
everything is of God or nothing. Everything is of God or nothing is.
44:23
And as we see people releasing that, the reason they're releasing it is because
44:27
of the limitation that the religion tries to put on the exploration into everything.
44:34
If God is everything, then let's explore everything we know by the residence of
44:39
how it feels in us each individually, whether that's something for us or not,
44:44
if we pay attention, if we just let you know, I spend
44:47
a lot of my life. I'm a twelve step or two, so I
44:50
spend a lot of my life disconnected from who I was. But when that
44:53
connection opened back up again and I was able to see it differently, it
44:58
was somewhat of it direction a new life began. And you know, I
45:04
think a lot of people in addiction can can really relate to that and the
45:08
power in the message. And why why I would encourage people to pay attention
45:13
to this message is that because anything you hold in darkness, if you're an
45:19
alcoholic and you hold it in darkness, it's going to take you deeper into
45:22
that darkness. If you're addicted to porn and you hold that in darkness,
45:27
it's going to take you deeper into that darkness. You have to be just
45:30
very careful about realizing that everything is of God. It's really one of the
45:35
I think the most profound thing that we've each learned from the guides. Yeah,
45:38
but they say, you know, there is one note song in the
45:42
entire universe that's in manifestation is all things? Yea, and things are everything
45:46
is in vibration at lower and higher levels. So you know, if somebody
45:52
says, well, where's God and this terrible thing, well, you know,
45:55
we made the terrible thing for the most part, and that's where responsible
46:00
to that. But also when you so to push it away or to pretend
46:07
it's not there, actually gives it more power. Really, So the realization
46:14
of source where every thing seems to be, is just lifting that thing,
46:16
lifting the vibration of it. I mean, I'm there are things that I
46:22
wish were different in the world, certainly or in months, and I have
46:29
to be careful of how I attach my identity to those things, how I
46:35
make the problem what I think I did. Ye. No. But but
46:38
again, if if these things are perceived as opportunities for growth or development or
46:46
hopeful change, I think they all become quite useful. I mean, I
46:52
didn't love yeah, I'm sure I had a good time. I was a
46:55
happy drunk up until the end. But I didn't love it, you know.
47:00
And I'm toping that i've known this is on air for that anymore.
47:04
It's been many, many, many years now. But I I'm aware that
47:10
that was part of this journey and it brought me to a place I would
47:15
not have chosen. I wouldn't have believe me if somebody told me that I
47:19
was going to be doing this, I would have thought they were nuts.
47:23
We can relate to that, definitely, that's the thing. I would have
47:28
been the bottom of the list. Yeah, But you know, I had
47:31
an idea of who I was supposed to be in the world and what that
47:37
looked like and how it should be seen and approved jobs. And I started
47:44
to get that and it didn't work. Maybe it would be different now,
47:49
but I'm I'm glad at this time in my life that it isn't what I
47:53
had wanted, because I think that would have short changed myself terribly. Well,
47:59
that's interesting. Yeah, one of the things that we hear the guides
48:01
to talk about often is at that expectation that we have about how things should
48:06
show up, and that when we can let goal of that it can actually
48:09
show up much more beautiful than we ever imagined. Think so I think so
48:15
beautiful. Well, Paul, we really appreciate you being here today. Do
48:21
you have anything any other outstanding questions? Honey, you will? Will?
48:23
I want to ask. I've looked at your schedule. I see you're traveling
48:27
quite a bit, and of course, you know, we'd love for you
48:30
to come visit Utah sometime and maybe I don't know if that's something we can
48:35
start to work on together and gather a group that would then make that worthier
48:40
time and travel, but we would love for you to come and visit one
48:44
day here a little closer. We obviously can come when you're in Sedona,
48:47
even Berkeley. You know, there's when you're at Slon That's been a place
48:52
that I would love to come and see you be at. So there's other
48:54
places, definitely, but we would love that. Yeah, cute. I
49:00
never know. You know, there's a man that I've worked with who sets
49:05
up the events, and he's the person to ask as I just basically see
49:08
if I can manage. Now that I live in the middle of the Pacific
49:13
Ocean, it's not as easy sure to get around. It was to be
49:16
old in New York. I can bop anywhere. Um and uh. Now
49:21
it's a big commitment to get off the island because you know, when I
49:23
go to Costa Rica to work, it takes me twenty four hours of travel
49:28
and I get there, you know, and God when I come home,
49:31
I'm just basically, I think that the Yiddishes for Clement, you know,
49:37
I'm at it. But I'd like to go to Utah. And it's funny,
49:39
I used to I don't know, I so maybe maybe you were you
49:44
with that were you were with that group of ex Mormons and side guys.
49:49
I was taught but directs Mormons. Char I was like they were in a
49:52
biker gang. Yeah. I think they were like eight of us, eight
49:57
or nine of us. Yeah, yeah, yes, so, and I
50:00
you know, why not, you know, I'm happy. I tend to
50:04
try to go where I'm asked, you know, you asked to be questions
50:09
that we came up and ask you. I don't know if you remember.
50:12
This was because in the Mormon Church they talk about there's the priesthood is called
50:16
the milk Kesic priesthood, and the guides identify themselves as a collective as Milk
50:22
KESDIC and so we were asking you about that out of curiosity and we talked
50:27
about that a little bit and you didn't know then, and I'm sure you
50:29
don't know now. I don't really, you know. I try not to
50:34
get attached to the names. Yeah, exactly, and that's it. Yeah,
50:38
well, I think we could probably put a group together, is it
50:43
Noba? Is he the one that so? Yeah, I've been in touch
50:45
with Nola's so I know I have his email in that so I'll reach out
50:50
to him. Yeah, that be great. But again, Paul, thank
50:53
you again. We feel it an honor to have you joined us, and
50:58
we look forward to contain newing the conversations and the friendship and most definitely continue
51:05
the reading the words of the guides. It's really beautiful. Yeah, very
51:09
much, thank you both for having me. Thanks Paul, all right,
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