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Will College Football Playoff Expansion Kill The Regular Season? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning. From Monday, May eighteenth, I'm
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the college football Playoff, but
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  Speaker 1: we're not gonna be talking about this year's college football playoff.
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  Speaker 1: This year, we know it's gonna be twelve teams, going
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  Speaker 1: to be slightly different than it was last year. We've
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  Speaker 1: done a whole show about that already. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: talking about the twenty twenty seven College Football Playoff and
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  Speaker 1: then whatever is going to come after that, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: in Tony Gerdaman of the Buckeye Weekly podcast to do that. Tony,
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  Speaker 1: the big question right now is it twelve and that's
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  Speaker 1: what happens if no one can agree? Is it sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: which is what happens if the SEC gets its way,
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  Speaker 1: or is it going to be twenty four teams, which
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  Speaker 1: is what the Big Ten and now an increasingly large
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  Speaker 1: number of other conferences seems to prefer.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Tom, back to you, good talk.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, I'm going for today.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating to see if the SEC
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  Speaker 2: can stand their ground and keep this to twelve right now,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got everybody, And I think I said this
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  Speaker 2: on Juck Show Thursday night. If you, as coaches, do
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  Speaker 2: you want to expand yeah, give me more opportunities for
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs please, Yes, I'm going to definitely accept that.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think you can take them too seriously
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  Speaker 2: in terms of, well, this is a valued opinion. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're all going to say yes, you know what they're
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  Speaker 2: going to say. And so I don't know that they
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  Speaker 2: have the concern. They're more concerned about themselves than the game.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to be terribly upset by the
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen playoff. I prefer sixteen, and probably prefer twelve
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  Speaker 2: to twenty four. But I'm not a doom and gloom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the Skuy's falling kind of person regarding expansion.
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  Speaker 2: Because college football playoff football, and I like watching those games.
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  Speaker 2: I like seeing those important matchups where you know the
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  Speaker 2: season is over. It's like the playoffs have killed the
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  Speaker 2: regular season, and in terms of like killed some of
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  Speaker 2: the importance of it. We'll get into the actual killing
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  Speaker 2: of it. But like people, some people miss the days
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  Speaker 2: of college football when if you lost, your season was over.
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  Speaker 2: I present to you a college football playoff where twenty
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  Speaker 2: four teams now make it, but if they lose, their
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  Speaker 2: season is over. And the good news is you got
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  Speaker 2: to watch fourteen other games and they'll lead up to
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  Speaker 2: that and experience the possibility of winning a national championship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like you've got three different levels where
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  Speaker 1: the regular season still matters. And there's the twelve team level,
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  Speaker 1: which you've seen. You know, you can lose a game,
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  Speaker 1: you mean probably lose two games. If you go to sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe you can lose three games, and if you
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  Speaker 1: go to twenty four, maybe you can lose four games
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  Speaker 1: in a certain in certain seasons. But there's not you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is not you can just go six and six
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  Speaker 1: and sneak in because you're in the AFC North and
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  Speaker 1: everyone else went everyone else went five and seven and
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  Speaker 1: you went six and six. Not quite This does remind
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit tony of the nineteen fifty seven
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  Speaker 1: Henry Fonde film Twelve Angry Men, where this time last
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  Speaker 1: year it was the Big Ten standing alone and saying
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  Speaker 1: we want twenty four, and everyone else sang we want sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: And then over the course of the last year, for
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different reasons, and we can maybe
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  Speaker 1: go into some of that, that tide has shifted where
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  Speaker 1: now instead of one group saying we want twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: pretty much everyone's saying we want twenty four except for
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  Speaker 1: the SEC, which is saying we want sixteen. We still
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  Speaker 1: want sixteen. That hasn't changed, And I'm not in Twelve
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  Speaker 1: Angry Men, Henry Fonda was right. I'm not sure the
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  Speaker 1: Big Ten is right here, but the momentum has certainly
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  Speaker 1: swung as it did in that movie. What I think
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  Speaker 1: is interesting here is people are talking about the SEC
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  Speaker 1: make a principled stand, and it's I think we probably
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  Speaker 1: need to talk a little bit about the fact that
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  Speaker 1: why does the Big ten so set on wanting twenty four? Well, coincidentally,
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  Speaker 1: their TV partners at Fox would really like it to
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  Speaker 1: go to twenty four because then you're opening up the
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  Speaker 1: bidding and then Fox can get in on the college
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  Speaker 1: football playoff action, which I'm sure they would love to do.
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  Speaker 1: Why does ESPN want to keep it at sixteen? Well,
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  Speaker 1: then there's a lot less inventory. ESPN could potentially house
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  Speaker 1: all of that inventory or just sell it off as
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  Speaker 1: they do under their current contract, and it wouldn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: open things up to Fox. So, you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: this is one of these things where you can go, well, boy,
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  Speaker 1: these people are making a very principled stand and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I think, as we've seen over the last few years,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a little bit cynical about the motivations of
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  Speaker 1: literally everyone involved in college football, that's probably a more
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  Speaker 1: realistic reading of the situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I still think maybe we can come to
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  Speaker 2: a conclusion that isn't twenty four or twelve, And maybe
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  Speaker 2: this has been Tony Pitt He's plan all along to
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  Speaker 2: come back to the sixteen team with the automatic qualifiers time.
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  Speaker 2: And I will remind you of the two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: three film The Runaway Jersey, The Runaway Jury with John
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  Speaker 2: Cusack as he you know, had Gene Hackman and Dustin
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  Speaker 2: Hoffman around his finger trying to steer things in the
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  Speaker 2: way that he wanted. What if Tony Pettitti is doing
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  Speaker 2: all of this to get the sixteen team with the
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  Speaker 2: automatic qualifiers, and then all of the coaches will be
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  Speaker 2: okay with that because you still get a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: teams in, you still preserved the conference schedule. But as
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  Speaker 2: we know, people are adamantly opposed to automatic qualifiers and
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  Speaker 2: also for some reason, the Big twelve in the a
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  Speaker 2: SEC because they don't want to view themselves as lesser
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  Speaker 2: even though they're not allowed at the table. So it's
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  Speaker 2: I think the question that still stands is how long
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  Speaker 2: can Greg Sank hold out and if he just if
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  Speaker 2: they don't want it, how long have they're just going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to go it's twelve? And is the SEC
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  Speaker 2: okay with that? And are their coaches okay with that?
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  Speaker 2: And we saw the AFCA come out a while back
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  Speaker 2: saying they're in favor of it, which you know there
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  Speaker 2: are SEC coaches in the AFCA, And how long can
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  Speaker 2: the ads and the network oppose what the coaches want
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  Speaker 2: and dealing with all of.
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  Speaker 1: This, And I think one of the questions that everyone's
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  Speaker 1: asking right now is will this ruin the college football
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  Speaker 1: regular season? Because as we say over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: it is the greatest regular season in all of North
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  Speaker 1: American sports. It is, you know, I mean, it is
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that makes that season so special,
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  Speaker 1: that all of those games mean so much. And I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think I will preface this by saying
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really in favor of a twenty four team playoff,
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  Speaker 1: but also I simultaneously don't think that a twenty four
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  Speaker 1: team playoff is going to render the college football playoff
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  Speaker 1: college football regular season completely irrelevant and totally meaningless, because
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  Speaker 1: as as Ohio State fans have experienced over the last
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  Speaker 1: few years. Tony, remember in twenty twenty four when Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State made the playoff and so the regular season didn't
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  Speaker 1: matter at all their losses and that's why no one
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  Speaker 1: cared that they lost to Michigan. Like, There's been all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of I saw it like and Lord helped me.
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  Speaker 1: I only saw this on on social media as a clip,
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  Speaker 1: but Mike Greenberg talking about the fact that oh Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State and Michigan coaches are just going to rest their
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  Speaker 1: players if they know that they're like, tell me you
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  Speaker 1: have no idea what you're talking about. Without telling me
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  Speaker 1: you have no idea. What you're talking about, like that
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  Speaker 1: game is always going to matter. Will it have the
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  Speaker 1: same impact on the college football playoff No, not necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: You might be in either way. Guess what happened in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Both teams were in either way. It
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  Speaker 1: had like this is not the first time that this
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  Speaker 1: has happened, even in a four team playoff field. So heck,
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  Speaker 1: both teams almost got in in two thousand and six
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  Speaker 1: and that was a two team playoff field. So this
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  Speaker 1: is not you know, this is not like a suddenly
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  Speaker 1: that you're going from zero to infinity on how much
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  Speaker 1: the regular season means or doesn't mean. But this is
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  Speaker 1: I think Am I wrong to think that some of
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  Speaker 1: the conversation around this has been maybe a little hyperbolic
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  Speaker 1: about how this is going to completely destroy the college
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  Speaker 1: football regular season forever?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been the most hyperbolic thing I've ever heard
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  Speaker 2: in my life. I'm just matching the energy right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Ryan Day seeing his face after
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  Speaker 2: the twenty four game, like that Michigan game. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think regular season doesn't matter? Like that stuff matters and
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  Speaker 2: it will continue to matter. This guy is following people
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  Speaker 2: who say that this is going to kill the regular season,
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  Speaker 2: the best regular season. It's like, Okay, then is the
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  Speaker 2: question I've asked on Twitter. I've asked on the message board,
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  Speaker 2: what then is for the people who think college football
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  Speaker 2: is the number one regular season in American sports? What
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  Speaker 2: will move ahead of them if the team if there's
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  Speaker 2: a twenty four team playoff, Because I bet most of
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  Speaker 2: those people aren't have anything ahead of it still because
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  Speaker 2: it's still college football. You still love it. And Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State beat Texas last year, and if I High State
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  Speaker 2: loses to Texas this year, you know what, in a
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  Speaker 2: twelve team playoff doesn't matter, doesn't knock them out of
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Do you care? Do you want it to
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  Speaker 2: want to win? Are you looking forward to it?
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  Speaker 1: At? Yeah? Y?
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  Speaker 2: Are you look forward to it every year? And you
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  Speaker 2: know it doesn't matter whether we win or lose. But man,
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch this and I'm sure going
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  Speaker 2: to hope we win. The only thing that is really
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  Speaker 2: changed in much of this and I think it's just
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  Speaker 2: it's not as masochistic as it used to be. And
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  Speaker 2: so to gosh, I wish it just hurt more. I
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  Speaker 2: wish it hurt like it did when I was younger.
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  Speaker 2: Is that's I think there's some psychology there that we
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  Speaker 2: need to explore. Not on this show, not on this show,
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  Speaker 2: but I think there is something there. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things are you know, everything was better back in to day.
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  Speaker 2: But this is also like I've been thinking about the
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight Michigan State Game again. It's like, man, I
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  Speaker 2: missed that pain. I miss I missed that devastation. I
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  Speaker 2: long for it. I don't, I don't, but I can understand.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this is the time. I don't mean to take up
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  Speaker 2: the show and we'll talk about I think what people
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  Speaker 2: miss is the joy of this happening to their rivals
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  Speaker 2: and knowing that, oh this is because that is the
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  Speaker 2: best thing that now that I think about it, let's
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  Speaker 2: just go back to the BCS two teams, because there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing better than somebody else's pain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, yes it is. It is less, less masochism,
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  Speaker 1: more schadenfreud. I maybe that that you're looking to looking
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  Speaker 1: to distribute there. I think we need to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: the show because I need to clip several of your
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  Speaker 1: previous paragraphs for use on social media context free, so
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  Speaker 1: that will do it for today. You want to hear
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  Speaker 1: Tony talking about other stuff, and I'm going to keep
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  Speaker 1: that real vague as oh boy. If you do, you
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  Speaker 1: can find that on the Buckeye Weekly podcast as well.
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  Speaker 1: That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all for
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.