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Ep. 251 ~ Word Burglars · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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You remember, like Bob Clark and Doug Campbell. They actually devoted their show
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what was it called the lines of the lines of Futcher Party, right Joan,
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Yeah, what an embarrassment. I mean, everything is going to hell
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down here inducted, I'm gone? Who take back? Non com here?
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Side? Oh yeah? What's up? Everybody? What is up? What
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is up? Hopefully I am sounding a little bit better to you. I
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realized this morning that I may have had my microphone set on a wrong setting
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for the past six months or so. Who knows. We'll see if this
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sounds better. Of course I won't know it too after I'm done and listen
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to it, but hopefully it does. I'm an idiot, that is all.
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Anyway, Welcome to the show. This is the lung Coming podcast.
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Asked. I am Big Bad Bob the Triple B, your host otherwise known
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as Rob Clark, this episode number two hundred and fifty one of the Loon
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And before we get into the media's show, we got to talk about
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JFK Lancer again because it is coming up. The twenty seventh annual JFKA Lancer
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November in Dallas conference happens November seventeenth through the nineteenth this year of Our Lord
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twenty and twenty three met the Lebrenzer Hotel in Dallas, Texas, And if
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happens at JFK Lancer Publications dot com for registration details and ticket options. There's
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going to be a plethora of new school researchers, that's right. It's not
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just going to be a bunch of fundy duddy old dudes anymore or bring in
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the second way through at the Lancer conference this year, So make sure that
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details and ticket options. Your boy and his boy Joe Barelli will be presenting
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in Dallas this year at the conference. You're not gonna want to miss it.
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We're doing it all about the Martins. You might say, well,
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who are the Martins? Well, then that would be a big hint for
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you to tune in the JFK lanswer. And that's all I'm gonna say about
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that, because they are going to have the exclusive before anybody else. So
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make sure if you want to find out what we're talking about, you sign
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up or get your butt to Dallas for sure. Folks. All right,
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let's dive right into swimming pool. Folks, not in the shallow end either.
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I'm talking to the deep, the deep end. We go deep homeboy,
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right here on this show. On November the twenty seventh, nineteen sixty
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three, a US Army retired Brigadier General Folks by the name of Herbert see
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Holdridge wrote an open letter to the Honorable Wagner car It was Attorney General State
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of Texas. Now Herbert Holdridge US Army, retired Brigadier General, was the
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administrator of the Constitutional Provisional Government of the United States. And if you don't
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know what that is, you're in good company, because you need to do
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a lie. H Apparently he also wrote a letter on the twenty sixth November.
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It's earning the investigation of these two murders, he says, as a
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PostScript to my letter of November twenty sixth, which I knew I half,
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folks, I'm sorry. I looked for it high and low and could not
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find it. But I do have the PostScript to those letters concerning the investigation
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of these two murders. I suggest a careful scrutiny of the complicity of mister
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Lyndon Johnson, now acting as President in these crimes. Within the area of
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my conclusion that these murders were plotted by Vatican Jesuit forces. I offered the
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following additional factors bearing on the situation. Number One, Lyndon B. Johnson
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was a co conspirator with Kennedy and the forces of the Vatican in the fraudentent
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election of nineteen sixty and is equally guilty with Kennedy for every crime Committee he
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accepted without protest, hope seditious orders that all Roman Catholics vote for Kennedy,
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engaged in every political fraud which brought Kennedy to power, was responsible for the
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mammoth frauds perpetrated in Texas by his own political machine. Made the quote hilgrimage
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to Kenosa. He yield allegiance to the pope invalidating his oath to the Constitution,
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and after Kennedy's inauguration, became a willing accessory to every executive crime.
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Kennedy's inauguration being fraudulent and by adhering enemies of the United States treason. Johnson's
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inauguration was identical, and he is no more illegal president than would have been
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the lowly of the wino Nats from skid Row, hastily sworn in as president.
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All right, this planet, this general don't like either one of these
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guys, Okay, Kennedy or Johnson, but two. Johnson's purpose to continue
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this The seditious policies of Kennedy, we made plain in his address to Congress,
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has adherents to the Kennedy policies in Vietnam involving the murder of Buddhist monks
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and the subsequent murders of d M and New all under the inspiration of the
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CIA adherents to support the Wall Street shark which is bankrupt you to the United
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States, and its raids against the sardines of Latin America, under the guise
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whom an already awarded Alliance for Progress reliance on h bomb diplomacy as the ultimate
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international instrument, sledge of loyalty to the United Nations controlled by nations enemies of
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our Constitution, But not one word spoken of loyalty to the Constitution and the
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Bill of Rights. And the Kennedy President in his inaugural talking out of both
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sides of his mouth, a very gem of jesuitical double talk, undoubtedly written
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by a damn Jesuit. All right, this guy is not a fan of
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the Jesuits either, Okay. Number three Johnson's crocodile tears over the murder of
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Kennedy, But not one word of a responsible executive purpose to uncover every hidden
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criminal who helped flot the assassinations, referring like the police of Dallas to announced
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by silence that the record of Oswald is now closed, and I repeat quote
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like hell, it is no effort. Number four, as a long term
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Texas politician, fainted with every political outlaw and having access to all facts and
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rumors prior to assassinations and more surely subsequent, there too, remaining mute through
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the world, shutters at the open knowledge of murder of Oswald cover for the
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real criminals, indicating clearly that Johnson was that some guilty knowledge or is himself
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a participant in the crime. Had he nothing to conceal, he would himself
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have taken the initiative of a full investigation. Number five and any murder,
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A compelling question is who had the most to gain? The obvious answer is
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Lynda B. Johnson, for all his tearful regrets. Six, anticipating in
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the four days of Vulgar Vatican ballyhoo, turning a fraud and criminal into a
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saint, squeezing every ounce of political and clerical advantage out of the laver of
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the dead. Kennedy, as had been done during life, including the exploitation
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of his entire family. M Number seven undoubtedly prepared to accept Robert Kennedy as
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vice presidential candidate for the nineteen sixty four elections, as already hinted, to
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permit the Pope to play both ends against the middle a session of John McCormick.
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Johnson dies as was predicted, along with Kennedy or Robert Kennedy. If
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Johnson lives, well, if that's not a foreshadowing focus to keep a foot
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in the crack of the door to perpetuate the fallen Kennedy dynasty where the Communists
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involved in these murders, Johnson and the Vatican would have exploited their full propaganda
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against the USSR. The fact that they have remained mute in the case that
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they realize their own involvement, know where the bodies are buried, and rely
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upon the seditious, fussifying mobster pressed controlled by the Vatican in Wall Street to
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cover their crimes. If you of the above, I demand that Johnson be
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questioned under oath actions suppressed the same through investigate the same thorough investigation demanded of
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other suspects. The Constitution cannot be defended otherwise. Wow. So yeah,
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there's a by authority of the Constitution of the United States. Mister Herbert C.
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Holdridge Brickadier General, use I'm a retired administrator. That is your crazy.
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There's a crazy general document of the day. Thank you, Herbert.
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Yeah. Oh, before we move on, folks, friend of the show,
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show. All right, so, folks, I have here a Louisiana State
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Police report, and you might be thinking yourself, Louisiana State Police, hmm,
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what are they doing? Well, I'll tell you what they're doing.
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They are watching General Edwin Walker and this is the report of his activities in
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New Orleans. They might be thinking to yourself, Okay, Well, General
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Edwin Walker lived in Dallas, right, yeah, so what was he doing
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in New Orleans? Well, apparently the Louisiana State Police were wondering the same
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thing, and upon hearing that he was going to be in New Orleans decided
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to surveil him. Well, why why why would you survail? As you
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know, former Major General of the United States on November the twentieth, nineteen
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sixty three, at about eleven am. Let me repeat that date for you,
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folks. On November twentieth, nineteen sixty three, at eleven am,
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I informed or Frank Manning of the Attorney General's Office of him mysterious meeting the
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above subject, General Evan Walker add and Judge Leander Perez's office in the National
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American Bank Building. Later, there was also a meeting at the National Bank
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of Commerce in the National Bank Commerce Garage Building. While I was not in
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the meeting room proper, but noticed several of the people that were in attendance.
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I noticed that especially one A Joseph Newborough, was there. Shortly after
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that, about one thirty pm, mister Manning asked to see me, or
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asked to see if I could find out what was going on. I then
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went to the vicinity of mister George Singleman's office at three pm, and while
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waiting in mister Singleman's office, I heard a telephone conversation, evidently from Judge
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Leander Perez that General Walker was still in his office in private conference, I
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learned that General Walker was having some kind of a meeting at the Young Hotel.
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They had a confidential meeting in a small room at the Young Hotel where
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General Walker met with about thirty five conservative political leaders. Most of these people
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were from the immediate vicinity of New Orleans. I was unable to gain an
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interance to this meeting. I did not leave the hotel lobby until about two
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am, and then noticed General Walker in the lobby. He went upstairs in
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about two am on eleven, twenty one sixty three. All right, a
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couple of things here, Judge Leander Perez. Okay, big deal, folks.
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Judge Leander Perez was the former District Attorney of Black Minds Parish and now
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I prominent judge Black Minds Parish, who owned about half the damn parish.
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Very wealthy, very bigoted, segregationist, very anti communist. And if you
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would like to know more about Leander Perezent disposition, I would urge you all
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to go on to YouTube and google this Judge Leander Perez firing line William F.
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Buckley, and you will see these two have a very interesting exchange.
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Also Joseph Newborough, who was I believe partners in a detective agency with the
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Guy Banister before Guy Banister formed his Guy Banister an Associates deal, not for
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very long, but a lot of these folks Newborough included Guy Johnson, Guy
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Banister. They had formed some kind of anti Communist league type of deal of
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the Caribbean. So these are very extreme right wing folks. Folks okay.
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Now. On Thursday eleven, twenty one, sixty three note these dates,
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Okay, At eight pm, General Walker had another meeting and had approximately ninety
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members there. I talked to General Walker for quite some time, making his
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acquaintance, and did not leave the hotel until about one am, But I
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was unable to learn of anything of any importance. There was evidently no further
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activity on the General's part. I was unable to learn at that time at
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what time the General left the city. I understand mister Joe Newborough was recently
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convicted of a federal offense involving the use of the mails to defraud. That
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mister Newborough was also in the Marines and was an expert in jiu jitsuism.
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Mister Newborough was also very friendly with one Jack Martin. Mister Jack Martin is
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the man who filed the petition with the state's Central Committee in an endeavor to
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disqualify mister Grammillion as a candidate for Attorney General on the grounds that he had
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been convicted on I can't read that he says convicted on federal grounds, and
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so forth and so forth. We know that this was done by mister Martin
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on the instructions of mister Leander Perez with the grect name is Edward Stewart Suggs.
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He was born in Arizona and it is about forty four years old.
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He appears to have a long criminal record and is wanted for murders somewhere around
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Dallas or sant Anton, Texas. I am not yet aware of the full
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disposition of these murder charges. Respectfully submitted BG Special Agent B four nine five.
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I he asked. Joe Newborro is considered to be a very dangerous individual.
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His record is available from the FBI. Jack Martin has been missing from
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the city. However, I understand he was seen a couple of days ago
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and he had grown a full Van Dyke. He is also a dangerous psychopath.
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He has a long record in Menstal's mental institutions, and his record is
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also available to the FBI respectfully, something something something so General Walker, General
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Edwin Walker was in New Orleans until the morning of November twenty Seco nineteen sixty
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three. He was having very high level meetings with very important people, very
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stream right wing people. You have here mentioned the name Jack Martin, Joseph
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Newborough. They're all tied to Banister's office. That, folks, is what
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I call a very interesting document, very very interesting document. And if you
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want to know why it's so interesting, all I can tell you is tune
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in to l Answer this year for our presentation on the Martins. And that's
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all I'm gonna say about that right now. That's up from the interesting and
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colorful character file. Uh came across and I came across before, but I
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reread, I reread for context about a lot of things Lauren Halls full length
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interview by the HCA and I mentioned before on this show from a guy who
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I believe Robbie had on his show on Out of the Blank, who was
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associated with He spent a lot of time with Marguerite Oswald and got to know
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a lot of these California connections of these people, including Dan Marginson, who
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was an associate of Lauren Lawrence Hall about Lawrence Howard sorry, who also knew
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Lauren Hall and knew a little bit about this Johnson thirty six rifle. And
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we've talked about this rifle extensively on the show before. For those of you
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not familiar, there was a rifle pawned in California, in Hollywood by Jerry
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Hemming and Lauren Hall sometime and then I think of the summer of sixty three,
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they did a turn some money because they were going back across the country
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and delivering goods supplies for these raids in the Cuba. So fast forward a
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little while into October and November nineteen sixty three, Lauren Hall admits to going
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to get this rifle out of cop from this detective agency. This detective agency
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was owned by Roy Halfcott or was it Roy No, I don't know.
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Hathcock and his associate that worked there as well, named Roy Payne, and
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their relation to Ruth spelled differently. But anyway, we have an FBI report
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from an agent Crow from the la Field office stating that he showed up to
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this detective agency the day after the assassination inquiring about fingerprints found on a rifle.
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Now, the only logical explanation would be that somehow the FBI found this
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previously hacked Johnson thirty six somewhere in and around in or around Daily Plaza,
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because they were inquiring about the fingerprints of Roy Payne, who worked at the
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agency, and Lauren Hall, whose fingerprints were also home the rifle. Because
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he's the one that got out of hot Now, like I said, the
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only logical explanation is to why the FBI would be at this agency the day
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after the assassination inquiring about this rifle and about these two individuals. It's because
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they found the rifle. But we have no documentation about this rifle being found
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anywhere in the known plethora of documents that we have from the FBI. Is
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that Biden designed or were they deep sixed or what's the deal here? But
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anyway, back to what I was saying about the guy that Robbie had interviewed
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on it out of the plank, a guy that known Dan Marginson, who
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was a friend of Lawrence Howard. He states that that rifle was left behind
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the picket fence that day. The Johnson thirty six, which is interesting now,
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Allegedly this rifle left Dallas on a trailer load of other guns that apparently,
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Hall says he had left at Lester Lowe's now and then picked up a
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month later and took back to Florida, where I was given to some random
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dentist. But then Hall says he never got the rifle back. But in
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this giant, deep long, several hundred page interview of Lauren Hall by the
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HSCA, Hall was a little bit pissed off because he says, the only
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thing our government has ever taking the time to ask me a question concerning anything
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other than missus Odeo. All right, He says that no time has the
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FBI or anybody else ever questioned him about anything other than missus Odeo. And
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he says, mister Fithian, I guess who is interviewing him. Was said,
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what do you resent that? And Hall says, pardon Fifthian says,
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do you resent that? Mister Hall says, I resent it in this way
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that I know now that in nineteen sixty three there was a report made to
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the FBI that I had a Johnson rifle identicals to the one that was taken
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out of the book depository on the date of the assassination. Not one government
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agent has ever asked me about that damn rifle. I have been in print
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for fourteen years. I have been misquoted that I have been accused of the
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actual assassination and everything else. In fact, in some damn newspaper today.
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I am probably in South Africa or Rhodija. If none of the government agencies
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ever took the time to ask me anything other than missus odio, why should
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I voluntarily give you anything? Fittian says, well, I understand and appreciate
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your comments, except that you haven't answered the question. The question was if
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you felt constrained to call the CIA merely because you were going to New Orleans
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to answer questions for Garrison, and then you said in your testimony you also
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called the FBI. Why didn't you feel constrained to tell officials about all the
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right winning expressions of intentions or wishes to kill the president of the United States.
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So I just thought that that was interesting that Hall said this, that
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I know now that in nineteen sixty three there was a report made to the
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FBI that I had a Johnson rifle identical to the one that was taken out
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of the book depository on the date of the assassination. Not one government agent
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has ever asked me about that damn rifle. Wow. Next up, I
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placed this one in the just a little bit more than interesting, five folks.
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July tenth, nineteen seventy eight, we have a report from Robert Morrison,
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the Director of Security, and William H's Crossed, the Assistant director of
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Security for the House ELEC Committee on Assassinations, regarding the tampering with Kennedy autopsy
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photos located in Safe number one O two oh nine five in the reading room
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of Room three thirty or three thousand, three hundred and eighty one in the
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Committee offices. At about four oh five Friday, June twenty third, nineteen
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seventy eight, Mark Flannagan, upon returning some autopsy material to the security room
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along with Lances Venderson of the security staff, upon opening Safe number one O
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two oh nine five, noticed that several Kennedy all photos were loose on top
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of the Kennedy autopsy photo books. The photos removed from the books were numbered
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thirty nine E one, thirty nine E, two, forty and forty one
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E. This was two pages consisting of four photos thirty nine one thirty ninety
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two, along with the cellophane cover that had been ripped from the book and
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the cellophane enclosure was torn at binder holes. One photo thirty nine eighty two
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was out of the cellophane enclosure in lying loose look. Quick check by Flannagan
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and Svenson revealed the photos were from books five Port one of the Kennedy autopsy
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photos. An immediate check of all the photo books was begun to ascertain if
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any other photos were missing. This check by Flannagan and Svenson showed no other
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photos to be missing or tampered with. Book five Port and one had not
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been signed out since September of seventy seven, according to the checkout log.
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Both Flannagan and Svenson stated that they would have noticed the photos when the safe
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was opened at ten am Friday June twenty, nineteen seventy eight, if they
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had been lying where they were discovered. They both feel there was no way
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this could have been done accidentally. Someone had to enter the safe and to
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do this, or and do this. The safe was unlocked but shut approximately
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five pm Friday, June twenty three. Is a request of the Committee,
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Investigator John Moriarty, three members of the some redacted section responded to Room three
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three eight one for the purpose of attempting to get latent prints. Redacted was
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able to lift thirteen separate cards of latent prints from the interior of the safe
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and from the Kennedy autopsy photo book that was tampered with. These men left
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in approximately eight thirty five Friday in June twenty third, nineteen seventy eight nineteen
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seventy eight. Investigator John Moriarty, William h's Cross, and Gee Robert Blakey
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were all president at all times during the lifting of the print. The lifted
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prints were turned over to Investigator Moriarty and remained in his possession. The persons
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who were in the office alone on Friday June twenty three were Edmund Lopez,
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Dan Hardaway, and Mitch Mars of the Committee staff, and Regis Blast of
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the CIA. On Monday, June twenty sixth thirteen cards of prints lifted by
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Private McGinnis were turned over to the Director of Security, Robert Morrison, by
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Investigator Moriarty and locked in safe number four five four seven one in Room three
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three eight one of the Committee office. On June twenty seven, nineteen seventy
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eight, requests were made to the FBI for certain committee staff member of fingerprint
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cards. The first request for cards was filled and received a ladder part of
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the week of June twenty five, seventy eight. The second request was filled
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and received. On June July fifth, seventy eight, Investigator Moriarty had contact
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they were acted of the redacted section and requested he tried to make comparisons of
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known and Lady Prince. On July fifth, nineteen seventy eight, at the
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request of Gee Robert Blakey of thirteen cards of listed prints and all staff member
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print cards from the FBI were turned over to Redacted, which he received for
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so he could take them away from committee spaces to enable him to spend more
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time studying them. During the week of July two, Redacted was able to
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obtain the fingerprints of Regis blah Hut, an employee of the Central Intelligence Agency.
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On Friday, William Cross of Security Staff stated he had made attendative identification
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of blah Hut's prints inside the safe door and on one of the photos in
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Book five, Part one of the Kennedy autopsy photos on Monday, July tenth,
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Redacted responded to the committee offices in the presence of Blakey, Morrison and
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Frost, returned all fingerprint cards and the thirteen cards lifted prints, but they
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were returning to safe number four or five four seven one in room three three
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eight one. Redacted stated he had identified a certain number of points and several
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prints. In his opinion, they were those of CIA employee Regis black Hut.
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These prints were matched with those on the inside of the safe door and
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on the back of the photo three ninety two, which had been ripped from
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book five, part one of the Kennedy autopsy photos, and the photo which
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had been removed from the cellphone cover. After returning all materials, Redacted departed
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Committee spaces July tenth, nineteen seventy eight. So why as the CIA employee
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getting into a safe and looking at the Kennedy autopsy photo not just looking at
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them, but rip ripping them out of their notebook, I'm generally leaving a
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mess. Now, what would think, you know, if the CEI were
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burglarizing something that the guy who'd been smart enough to wear gloves at the very
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least. My god, But anyway, so is this legit. I mean,
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his prince were found inside the safe and on the photos, and they
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guess they shouldn't have been there. So what was he doing? Well,
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I came across a little bit of audio of Reada's black on the hot seat
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concerning the burglarization. We're tampering with these photos, and I'm not going to
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play the entire audio of it here for you today, but I will give
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you a little taste. So here is the HCA investigators talking to Regis Blahut
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Blahot. Okay, my name is Jerry Cornwell. We're making a recording of
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a conversation concerning a breach of security that we have discovered at the Select Money
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on Assassinations. Would you say to your name and when you spell your last
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nae d A Hut, As we explained in an informal conversation before we begin
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to make this tape recording, the committee has discovered that on art that they
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discovered on June the twenty third, nineteen seventy eight, that the contents of
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a safe containing autopsy materials in our security office were compered with, and that
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some of the books of photographs in the safe had been in part disassembled.
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And we are in the process of talking to those persons who our records indicate
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had access to the Security office on that date. We have determined that a
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number of people had such access, including various members of our own staff and
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yourself, and we are in the process of trying to determine who may have
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taken the books disassembled any one or more of them on daters on Friday.
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First, you are an employee of the CIA, Is that correct? And
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would you stake what the nature of your business has been at the Committee Security?
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Would it be fed to state that basically you were have been assigned by
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the agency to say, are many of its documents which have been on temporary
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loan to the Committee and for our short periods have been stored in say from
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the Committee's premises? Yes, And would it be accurate to state that you
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have performed that function on many days periodically, not every day, but many
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days periodically, at least since roughly the first part of May of this year.
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If I could ask you to focus on June twenty three, which would
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have been a week ago last Friday, today being July the eleventh, I'd
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like to ask you if you can recall on that day irving any person's in
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the security office taking any items from or replacing any items in a large black
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safe which sits in the right rear corner of the innermost office in the security
45:25
space. I can't say specifically that day or any other date or date,
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but I have witnessed people going in and out of it and taking material In
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another I might simply explain that the committee has used that safe for the storage
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of what we may generally describe as autopsy related materials, consisting of photographs,
45:57
X rays, and various items of clothing pertaining both to Governor Connelly and the
46:13
late President Kennedy. Would it be fair to state that, because you have
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been in that's that office in conjection with your duties over the last at least
46:29
two months or more, that you have at least over hurd conversations to the
46:35
effect that that was the type of materials which were in that set. Would
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you describe for us what you have observed and on which occasions during your tenure
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in this assignment in the nature of the physical items in that say, well,
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what I seen and what I know that's in there is some clothing next
47:15
high, some photographs, and that's about the extent of specifics as far as
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knowing what is in there in detail, I don't know what's in there in
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detail itemized, or how many, or who's or what other than the pictures
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that I saw. Your duties have related to materials which have been stored in
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a different stake. Is that correct, offs and that would be a small
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two drawer sake, t were sake, and it would sit in that same
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office to the right of the large black safe we're talking about, that is
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right. Would you describe the circumstances under which you have observed materials on one
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or more occasions being taken from are replaced in the black safe containing the autopsy
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documents and items. Cloud described how I saw it. What have you observed
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with respected that well, sitting in the same room observing our safe or keeping
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in touch with our material that people were reading. Other people have entered the
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room and removed apparently at times stuff that contained or was contained in the state
48:46
to other parts that are going which I don't know where they took it out
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of the room. Some that have laid down on either the window sill or
48:57
on top of the safe or the desk that's in their table reading table and
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they're going out of the room to later return it or place it back in
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the safe. All right, I believe that to this is substantially accurate.
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During our preliminary conversation, you described one basic routine which you had observed periodically
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over the last two and a half months, which was people coming in opening
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the safe, removing items, shutting the safe so that it's not a jar,
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but not necessarily locking it, and then coming back later in the day
49:42
putting items back in the safe, and at that point locking it. Is
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that correct? That's correct? And in addition to that usual routine, I
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believe you described two specific instances in which items were left laying in that room.
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Is that accurate? The right? So there you have it. This
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is a just a small part of a very much longer conversation. There's another
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hour and twelve minutes of this thing. And if you'd like to hear the
50:17
entire interview, head over to my buddy Alex's YouTube page and search for what
50:27
his page is called the JFK Theorist, And once you find that, he
50:31
has the entire audio over there for you to hear very interesting stuff. So
50:44
you know who's to blame here. It wasn't the hfc A member being lazy
50:47
and not wanting to relock the safe, and every time they got something out
50:52
of it was this guy blah trying to learn them a lesson for leaving the
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safe unlocked. It's all very interesting, folks. Now, let's get into
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Eugene Davis. That's right, the man the Dean Andrews identified as Clay Bertrand
51:22
So. June twenty one, nineteen sixty seven, a teletype decoded teletype was
51:31
sent to the Director of the FBI, Jagahuva and the Dallas office from the
51:38
New Orleans office that states Dusty assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Dallas,
51:47
Texas, November twenty two, nineteen sixty three. Miscellaneous information concerning New Orleans
51:57
files reveal Jean Davis also knows Eugene Davis mentioned in retail of reference till a
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type possibly identical with Eugene Claire Davis, who is New Orleans eleven eighty nine
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dash C an active symbol number informant of the New Orleans Office Bureau file one
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three seven DASH seven three eight six New Orleans File one three seven DASH one
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four three five A potential criminal and Format file on Davis opened April twenty eighth,
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nineteen sixty and he was the designated symbol number informant on October eleven,
52:42
nineteen sixty one. Davis claims he was born in July eighth, nineteen thirty
52:45
one, in Atlanta, Georgia. However, records of his Louisiana License Bureau
52:51
show Davis was born in July eighth, nineteen twenty eight, three years earlier.
52:57
Davis has advised after living in Atlanta, Georgia UH for about one year,
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he and his parents moved to Alexandria, Louisiana. So Gene Davis was
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a criminal informant whatever a symbol number informat means, I guess he was designated
53:22
a number which means he was paid folks. He was a narc A paid
53:29
criminal informant p c I folks as early as nineteen sixty now. In connection
53:45
with his job, he worked at the Court of the Two Sisters Restaurant.
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The owner of the part of the Two Sisters restaurant was a man by the
54:07
name of Sam Saia Jr. And on September sixth, nineteen seventy eight,
54:15
an outside contact report was attempted on Sam Saia Jr. Of Canal Boulevard,
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New Orleans, Louisiana, found deceased on Friday, September of the first nineteen
54:30
seventy eight. Investigator Robert Bures reviewed files in the office of the Metropolitan Primary
54:35
Commission of New Orleans, located in rooms seven oh six of the National Commerce
54:39
Building, two thousand Browne Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. Now this is
54:49
also the same National Bank of Commerce Building where General Walker had his meeting with
54:55
the night before the assassination in New Orleans. Names checked were number one Sam
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Sire Junior, Number two Harold Tannenbaum, three Charles dutz Morett, four fourth
55:14
of the two sisters, and five the tropical tourist part concerning number one Sam
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Sire Junior date of birth July eighth, nineteen hundred had died October twenty fifth,
55:29
nineteen sixty five, and left behind in a state worth half a million
55:34
dollars at the time. That's a lot of money in today's numbers, folks.
55:44
Sam Sire Junior took over family operated gambling interest in the nineteen thirties and
55:49
the nineteen fifties. He owned several bars and residences and managed numerous handbook operations,
55:57
also involved in grand jury investigations that resulted in police department officials being fired
56:06
and charged with corrupt practices. Files are extensive. Sam Siah Jr. Lived
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in the same address or owned the residents of five two seven Governor Nichols Street,
56:16
where convicted narcotics violators resided. They are named Russell the Siah, Vincent
56:25
be Vinsetti, Salvadora Saia. Father's name was Salvador Saia, mother Conchetikdaliti.
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Wife's maid name was Philamina Marie Ratonti. Charles F. DUTs Moretz is not
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mentioned as a part of these this family organization. Number two Harold Tannenbaum,
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manager and bookkeeper of the Court of Two Sisters restaurant located at six fourteen Bourbon
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Street. No further info in these. In these files, Eugene Davis was
57:01
the night manager. This Eugene Davis was named by Attorney Dean Andrews. A.
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S clay Bertrand. Number three Charles F. DUTs Morette date of birth
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March second, nineteen oh one. Died October twelfth, nineteen sixty four,
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after a brief illness in Baptist Hospital in New Orleans wife Lillian Livery, two
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daughters and three sons. Maryland Marette presently residing with mother at seven seven O
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five seven General Haig Street in New Orleans, Missus Emil O'Brien, doctor Charles
57:39
Marette, John Marette, and Eugene Marette, formerly SJA, presently Judicial Administrator
57:46
of the Louisiana Supreme Court in New Orleans. Charles F. Dutz Marette was
57:52
arrested for operating a handbook on September eighth, nineteen fifty six, at one
57:58
seven two Religious Street with Guts Best Bus Betts, August Betts, Mortimer Mortimer,
58:07
La Costa, and John Furlot. In nineteen fifty three to fifty four,
58:14
Marit had a Federal wagering stamp both as an agent and a principal.
58:24
He was listed in the nineteen fifty four City directory as a chequer for the
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Mississippi Shipping Company. He was a member of Chequers Local Union one four one
58:36
eight number four. The Court of the Two Sisters restaurant located it six one
58:44
four Bourbon Street, presently owned by Joseph Fine Junior, no relation to Moe
58:50
and Larry Fine, purchased from Nick Arno and Frank Barracci on fourteen, nineteen
59:00
sixty nine for a measly one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Nick Carno and
59:07
Frank Garacci are both associates of Carlos Marcello. In nineteen fifty nine, a
59:13
confidential source indicated that to Nick Carno was going to South America and seemed to
59:19
be helping for cure arms for Fidel Castro. Carno grew a beard like Castro's
59:24
and started featuring Latin American bands and drinks in his restaurant. Frank Carracci owned
59:31
a nightclub at six oh one Urban Street and in nineteen fifty nine had a
59:37
Cuban female named Duma working for him. After Castro came to power, she
59:44
returned to Cuba. No further info in her Carnal Farracci and Fine Junior still
59:51
revided in New Orleans. Number five The Tropical Tourist Park is located in East
59:58
New Orleans at six h two seven chef Menteura Highway. It is a mobile
1:00:05
home park and mottell it sales for a one year period in late seventies.
1:00:09
Is listed for two hundred and ninety four thousand dollars. It was purchased in
1:00:15
nineteen fifty five for one hundred and seven thousand dollars, and it is owned
1:00:21
and managed by no Fio Cora, who has been reported extensively to many committees
1:00:27
and this select Committee as being part of Carlos Marcellos, the Mafioso family.
1:00:38
So there you have some more ties with the quarter of the two sisters and
1:00:44
Clay Bercher and Carlos Marcello and Castro and all kinds of crazy stuff folks,
1:00:50
crazy stock, crazy stocking. And I came across this. I always thought
1:01:00
it was interesting when we talk about Jack Martin, when we talk about the
1:01:07
beginning of the investigation into the New Orleans side of all this assassination stuff,
1:01:15
we think of Jack Martin being the impetus, you know, of calling the
1:01:23
FBI letting them know about David Ferry and that they should check in on David
1:01:31
Ferry and all this stuff, and then David Ferry being brought in. But
1:01:38
Jack Martin didn't go to the FBI until November twenty fifth, nineteen sixty three,
1:01:45
and David Ferry wasn't brought in for questioning until November twenty seven, nineteen
1:01:47
sixty three, but the day after the assassination, on November twenty three,
1:01:55
nineteen sixty three, there is a FBI report from a clerk, a lowly
1:02:07
clerk at the FBI office of New Orleans named Thomas Bevans, and he states
1:02:16
thus, at about seven forty five pm on this date, a mister W.
1:02:24
Hardy Davis thirty forty four Louisiana Parkway Avenue. Now you will notice that
1:02:32
address is also very close and on the same road street that David Ferry lived
1:02:40
on. Folks, he lived in Louisiana Parkway Avenue. So on this date
1:02:45
mister W. Hardy Davis okay called regarding the rifle used by Oswald and captioned
1:02:57
matter which was the assassination of President John of Kennedy. Davis stated that agents
1:03:06
should contact a mister Jack S. Martin, who lives on North Prior Street,
1:03:15
New Orleans, Louisiana. David said that Martin can give information regarding a
1:03:20
mister David Ferry. Ferry, according to Davis, was in the Civil Air
1:03:24
Patrol with Oswald, is a disbarred airline pilot speak Spanish is a gun collector
1:03:35
and a fanatic like Oswald. Ferry may be the man who obtained the rifle
1:03:38
for Oswald. So you see, very shortly, folks, and that's it
1:03:46
for this that's it for this memorandum. Very shortly after the assassination occurred,
1:03:58
things were being talked about New Orleans between certain people. Now, this W
1:04:03
Hardy Davis is a former Bill bondsman in New Orleans and obviously a snitch Rooney.
1:04:18
So he obviously had a conversation with Jack Martin at some point after the
1:04:24
assassination and prior to sending this or contacting the FBI, in which they had
1:04:30
a conversation and which Jack Martin told him all this stuff about Fairy being in
1:04:42
the civil Air patrol with Oswald, which was true, and he was a
1:04:45
disbarred airline pilot. He did speak a little Spanish, he was a gun
1:04:51
collector, and he was a fanatic. And he says Fairy maybe the man
1:04:58
who obtained the rifle for Oswald, which is what Jack Martin told the FBI
1:05:01
later on. You know that he may have taught about to shoot while on
1:05:05
his civil Air patrol and this net and this net. So I just thought
1:05:13
it was interesting that, you know, Jack Martin didn't voluntarily go to the
1:05:19
FBI and drop a dime on ferry. They went to him because of w
1:05:29
Hardy Davis dropping a dime and snitching on the line. Interesting. All right,
1:05:40
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