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A Fine Line Between Anti and pro-aging: An Interview with Bobbi Brown · Skinquiries

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  Speaker 1: So let's get real.
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  Speaker 2: Who amongst us hasn't thought a little bit about our
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: skin in the context of aging. There's been so much
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  Speaker 2: pressure for us to do so many things, from creams
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  Speaker 2: to lasers, pills, procedures, fillers.
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  Speaker 1: The options are endless.
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  Speaker 2: So to cut through all those layers, we're bringing in
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  Speaker 2: someone who's lived in the beauty industry for decades and
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  Speaker 2: who has a unique and refreshing approach to aging. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: it's the one and only Bobby Brown.
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  Speaker 3: If I look in the mirror and I don't look good,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I do? I stop looking and I
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  Speaker 3: think for a second, all right, why do I look
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  Speaker 3: so bad? Is the lighting bad?
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  Speaker 1: Is the mirror bad?
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  Speaker 3: Or have I been working too hard? Not balanced? Exhausted?
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  Speaker 3: What did I eat last night? So to me, it's
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  Speaker 3: so much lifestyle and its attitude.
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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome. I'm so glad you're here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole Berry and this is Skin Querries, a show
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  Speaker 2: all about our skin and its health as we grow in.
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  Speaker 2: Our skin is really a record of a life well lived,
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  Speaker 2: because there isn't one body part that I could think
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  Speaker 2: of that reflects our well being as clearly as our
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  Speaker 2: skin So let's go on this journey together to really
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  Speaker 2: understand what's going on with our skin. Let's unravel the
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  Speaker 2: mysteries happening inside and out.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're talking about aging.
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  Speaker 2: We can't do an entire season talking about skin and
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  Speaker 2: health without talking about aging. Whether it's sun spots, lines, wrinkles, creases,
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  Speaker 2: there's no turning back the clock. Aging is inevitable. Our
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  Speaker 2: personal choice is in how we deal with it. So
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  Speaker 2: for me, I like to feel my best, and that
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  Speaker 2: means taking care of my body, taking care of what
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  Speaker 2: I eat, how I move, And my skin routine actually
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  Speaker 2: is quite simple. I love cleansing my skin with a
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  Speaker 2: honey cleanser, I do a simple toner and moisturizer, and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on my way.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm going to be in the sun, I add
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  Speaker 2: sunlaw and I do love having fun with facials and
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  Speaker 2: the occasional laser. But for the most part, it's pretty simple.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps in an alternate universe, aging gracefully would simply refer
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  Speaker 2: to healthy living and taking care of ourselves. We'd value
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  Speaker 2: the wisdom of our elders and see their lived experience
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  Speaker 2: as something to celebrate and not to actually hide. But
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  Speaker 2: for now, I'd say, aging confidently and quote unquote naturally
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  Speaker 2: is a fairly radical approach. Even the term naturally can
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  Speaker 2: mean different things to so many different people. There's so
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  Speaker 2: much to think about today. We'll speak with dermatologists doctor
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  Speaker 2: Adeline Kickham, but first the founder of Jones Road Beauty
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  Speaker 2: and in my mind a cultural and beauty icon. It's
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  Speaker 2: none other than Bobby Brown.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm the one you thought of about aging.
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm very young at heart, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: the reason that I thought of you first is because
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  Speaker 2: in all of our conversations that we've had, I guess
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  Speaker 2: present yourself as you are, as you truly are has
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  Speaker 2: always been, I feel like, one of your values and
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  Speaker 2: I've always respected that so much since I was a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: Right getting your book Teenage Beauty, it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the Bible that everyone wanted for the holidays. And
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  Speaker 2: like I remember using your books and your manuals pre TikTok,
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  Speaker 2: pre Instagram as like how to feel my best. It
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  Speaker 2: was never ever cover myself. It was always like present
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  Speaker 2: myself as I am. And so now I'm in my
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  Speaker 2: forties and with each step you've grown with me and
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  Speaker 2: with I think my generation and many others.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess, broad scope, what is your approach when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to beauty.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I don't feel any older than
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  Speaker 3: you are. I don't think of myself as any older
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  Speaker 3: than you are. I don't. I don't think of myself
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  Speaker 3: in terms of, oh my god, I can't believe how
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  Speaker 3: old I am. And by the way, I've come a
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  Speaker 3: long way since I was your age or younger about
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  Speaker 3: how I felt about myself, about the food I put
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  Speaker 3: in my body, the angst I had about what I'm eating.
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  Speaker 3: And I am at the best place I've been in
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  Speaker 3: my whole life. And I'm not even in my mid
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  Speaker 3: sixties anymore. I'm sixty seven, which is insane to me.
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  Speaker 3: And I really believe in skin being the most important
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  Speaker 3: part of beauty.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about if you have lines or don't. It's
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  Speaker 3: not about if you have blemishes or don't. It's really
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  Speaker 3: just about how your skin looks, and it is such
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  Speaker 3: a sign of health. Right. It's not what you put
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  Speaker 3: on your face, it's what you put in your body.
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  Speaker 3: You know, as someone that makes products, I know that firsthand.
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  Speaker 3: I know That's why when I look in the mirror,
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  Speaker 3: I don't look so bad. I look okay because I
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  Speaker 3: eat really well. And by the way, I do get laser.
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  Speaker 3: I don't shoot anything in my face. I don't do injectables.
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  Speaker 3: I don't, you know, do any of Botot's anything. But
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  Speaker 3: I will do every laser that someone says doesn't hurt
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  Speaker 3: that bad, and it is going to make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: You started as a makeup artist, right when did you
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  Speaker 2: make that connection when it came to letting them skin
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  Speaker 2: actually or the actual person like shine versus just covering
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  Speaker 2: them up.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I started being a freelance makeup artist in
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  Speaker 3: the eighties, you know, mid to high eighties, and I
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  Speaker 3: just couldn't do makeup the way other people did it
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  Speaker 3: with you know, this awful foundation and contour. I just
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  Speaker 3: didn't look good. And I just realized how good the
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  Speaker 3: girls looked when they came in. So I started doing
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  Speaker 3: makeup just to make them look sunny and healthy. And
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  Speaker 3: I used to study kind of like the Self magazine
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  Speaker 3: beauty pages where the girls look so good, and I
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  Speaker 3: would take makeup to kind of, you know, mimic that
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  Speaker 3: on models. So I realized that looking fresh was what
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  Speaker 3: mattered to me in beauty. But then I also at
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  Speaker 3: the same time, I was someone that was going from
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  Speaker 3: diet to diet to diet, to cleanse to cleanse, to realize, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is really stupid. I should just find food that
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  Speaker 3: makes me feel good when I eat, and I should
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  Speaker 3: bring it with me because things were not readily available.
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  Speaker 3: And that was, you know, in the early nineties. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: people thought I was weird. I'd come in with the
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  Speaker 3: tupperwaar with my chop salad, and I'd have baggies of vegetables,
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  Speaker 3: so I wouldn't like sit there and eat breadsticks all
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  Speaker 3: day on these gourmet shoots right at you know, during
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  Speaker 3: fashion week or whatever, and I just realized I looked better,
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  Speaker 3: I felt better eating better, and so my holistic approach
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  Speaker 3: kind of began then. But I also was experimenting with
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  Speaker 3: like the weirdest cleanses and diets and things, and finally
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  Speaker 3: I said this is stupid and I stopped.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to skincare, anti aging is such a
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  Speaker 2: ubiquitous term. What is your kind of verbiage or that language?
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  Speaker 1: Is it harmful? Do you use that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe in anti aging because guess what, I'm
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  Speaker 3: older now than I was when we started this podcast,
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  Speaker 3: right and there's nothing on the market that turns back time.
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  Speaker 3: There's just nothing. It doesn't work. There's nothing on the
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  Speaker 3: market that really gets rid of your spots. There's nothing
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  Speaker 3: on the market that gets rid of lines in your face.
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  Speaker 3: There are moisturizers on the market that make your lines
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  Speaker 3: look better, and there's makeup that could cover your spots.
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  Speaker 3: But if I have spots, that means I'm not wearing
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  Speaker 3: proper sunscreen. Now, when I'm in the sun, I wear
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  Speaker 3: a long sleeve SBF shirt. And you know, I live
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  Speaker 3: in Florida three months a year. I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: look like I live in Florida. So I'm very protective
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  Speaker 3: of my skin.
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  Speaker 2: And so how much does mindset come into play when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to aging.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you took the words out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 3: It's mindset. It's your attitude. You know, many of you,
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  Speaker 3: many of us need attitude adjustments. So there's times where
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  Speaker 3: I look in the mirror and I just say, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, I look so old, or I look in
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  Speaker 3: the mirror and I say, oh my god, I look
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  Speaker 3: like my mother. Like that is the you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of like, ah, you know, my mother was a beautiful woman.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of her life. You know, didn't
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  Speaker 3: look so good. She didn't take proper care of herself,
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  Speaker 3: definitely didn't have a positive attitude about things. If I
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  Speaker 3: look in the mirror and I don't look good, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I do? I stop looking and I think
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  Speaker 3: for a second, I'm like, all right, why do I
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  Speaker 3: look so bad? Is the lighting bad? Is the mirror bad?
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  Speaker 3: Or have I been working too hard? Not balanced? Exhausted?
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  Speaker 3: What did I eat last night?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: I had two drinks and not one, and I had
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  Speaker 3: martini with olives and not you know, water like So
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  Speaker 3: to me, it's so much lifestyle and its attitude. I
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  Speaker 3: have a mirror in two places I live, and it's
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  Speaker 3: a full length mirror. It costs me about nine dollars
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  Speaker 3: at like Kmart or wal Mart or somewhere, and it's
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  Speaker 3: on an angle and it was only supposed to be temporary.
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  Speaker 3: But when I look in the mirror, I look really tall,
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  Speaker 3: and I love it, and I refuse to get rid
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  Speaker 3: of it. My husband's like, let's buy a really nice
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  Speaker 3: one and put it on the wall. I said, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: I like this mirror because I like looking at myself
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  Speaker 3: a certain way. And I'm five foot tall. I'm not tall,
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  Speaker 3: but it's you know, it makes me happy. I walk
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  Speaker 3: out of the house and I feel like a supermodel
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  Speaker 3: and I don't care. Yeah, it's fine. And I also
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  Speaker 3: know lighting is everything.
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  Speaker 2: Can Bobby Brown tell us what the keys are to
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  Speaker 2: good lighting?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my favorite light is daylight. I often do things
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  Speaker 3: in my car. I put my makeup on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I'm in the parking lot to my office or
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  Speaker 3: when I'm sitting in my office.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I so natural light when you apply makeup.
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  Speaker 3: If I have the option, natural light is best. Like
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  Speaker 3: I could look in the mirror and I'm fine with
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  Speaker 3: the lines in my forehead. There's lines around my mouth
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  Speaker 3: because they're supposed to be right. And you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't have full lips, so I don't wear a ton
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  Speaker 3: of lipstick. I have really good cheeks, so I always
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  Speaker 3: put blush on. But my neck I put moisturizer on.
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  Speaker 3: It looks better. But it's not my favorite part of
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  Speaker 3: my anatomy. You know, I've kind of taught the people
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  Speaker 3: in my organization who video me and shoot me like
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  Speaker 3: guys batting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, cut that, Like.
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  Speaker 3: You can't be a sixty seven year old makeup artist
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  Speaker 3: doing a makeup thing and your head is down dipping
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  Speaker 3: into the products. No, guys, right up, And if you
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  Speaker 3: don't like it, I don't care. Then you know, just
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  Speaker 3: cut to my hands, which, by the way, I don't
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  Speaker 3: love my hands anymore, but they're my hands, right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're my hands.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What about when you were younger, like earlier influences, whether
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  Speaker 2: it was your mom or someone growing up that kind
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  Speaker 2: of you know, formed your perspective on beauty.
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  Speaker 3: Well in a negative way. As much as my mother
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  Speaker 3: was a very big supporter, she was also wanting me
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  Speaker 3: to be beautiful. That she once came to me and
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  Speaker 3: told me I was very pretty, but I'd be beautiful
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  Speaker 3: if I had my nose fixed. I never once complained
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  Speaker 3: about my nose. I never had it fixed. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: there was definitely insecurities. But the woman that made the
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  Speaker 3: biggest difference in me where I said I'm okay the
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  Speaker 3: way I am was when I was in either middle
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  Speaker 3: school or beginning of high school and Love Story came
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  Speaker 3: out and I saw Ali McGraw and she had, you know,
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  Speaker 3: big eyebrows and these freckles on her nose and very
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  Speaker 3: little makeup and you know, hair parted in the middle,
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  Speaker 3: and I remember looking at her saying, my god, she's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: And then I said, ah, she kind of looks like me,
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  Speaker 3: or I kind of look like her, And so I
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  Speaker 3: was able to kind of say, all right, I understand
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  Speaker 3: my own beauty. I'm not Sheryl Tigus or Christy Brinkley
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  Speaker 3: or Barbie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean to that credit, I mean even
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  Speaker 2: behind you, all the faces that are representative of you
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  Speaker 2: and Joanes Road I love. One of my favorite things
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  Speaker 2: of walking into your story is that wall. It's almost
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  Speaker 2: like magazine cutouts. Reminds me of like my bedroom as
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  Speaker 2: a kid. How important is it for you to show
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  Speaker 2: different faces and different types of skin tone, age.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's everything. And I've always been someone that
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  Speaker 3: believed in every single woman's beautiful. And it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 3: what your age is, what your ethnicity is, what your
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  Speaker 3: coloring is. You know, my job is to represent everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And these girls on the wall are actually for our
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  Speaker 3: next shoot, which is tomorrow. So we had their pictures,
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  Speaker 3: you know, which are on the top where they're all
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  Speaker 3: made up, and we tore them out of their portfolios
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  Speaker 3: and you know in the bottom, we asked them all
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  Speaker 3: to send pictures of them without any makeup on, and
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  Speaker 3: so you know that's kind of what you're looking at now.
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  Speaker 3: I just I tape things up on walls and change them.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we started taping them up on walls
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  Speaker 3: in the Jones Road stores and that's now become our signature.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: How important are ingredients to you, whether it's what's being
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  Speaker 2: put in or what's not being.
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  Speaker 3: Put in to a product, Very important, very important. I
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  Speaker 3: mean I'm someone that you know I eat or I
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  Speaker 3: shop organically. Let's say, Okay, I eat out in restaurants
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  Speaker 3: a lot. So I'm not going to say I eat
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  Speaker 3: exclusive organic because I don't. I have let go on
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  Speaker 3: any neurosis about making things not work for me food wise,
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  Speaker 3: because they're not supposed to work. You know, there's so
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  Speaker 3: much noise that like goes into our head and what
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  Speaker 3: you should and shouldn't eat. I've tried to be a vegan.
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  Speaker 3: I can't. My body craves meat. I eat meat. I
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  Speaker 3: try to eat the best kind of meat, not too
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  Speaker 3: much of it. I've tried to quit coffee. I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I try to do singles. I go back to double
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  Speaker 3: I try to do organic, I go back to an espresso.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, Bobby, stop making yourself crazy. Do what
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  Speaker 3: feels good.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of talked about, you know, injectables and things
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  Speaker 2: like cosmetic surgery, that you do not do those things right?
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  Speaker 2: What is your I guess message to someone who is
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  Speaker 2: thinking about it but scared or feels pressured to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, if someone wants to do it, they could
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  Speaker 2: do what they want. But if they're feeling pressure to
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  Speaker 2: do it, what would your advice be?
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  Speaker 3: Well, who's pressuring you? Number one? And you can always
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  Speaker 3: do it. You don't have to rush into something. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's certain things you do which are permanent. You know
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  Speaker 3: you're going to get a tattoo, smack on your neck
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  Speaker 3: or your ankle. Guys, it's permanent. You know you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: shoot something in your face, you know once or so
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  Speaker 3: it's not that permanent. But once you start. I always
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  Speaker 3: say to people, it's like going into your garden. Have
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  Speaker 3: you ever tried weeding? Where do you stop? I have
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  Speaker 3: choice in my life done botox when I was in
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  Speaker 3: my early forties a it had just come out. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't as scary then, but it didn't work for me.
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  Speaker 3: My husband until the other day didn't even know it
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  Speaker 3: because I was too scared to tell him. One time
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  Speaker 3: I had an eye droop and another time I had
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  Speaker 3: one eyebrow that was up to a point, and I
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  Speaker 3: remember saying myself, Okay, dude, don't do it. This isn't
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  Speaker 3: for you. Someone sending you a message. And I also
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  Speaker 3: realize at a certain age, if I did botox now,
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  Speaker 3: it wouldn't match the rest of my face, Like you
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  Speaker 3: can't have a forehead that doesn't move in a neck
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  Speaker 3: that does right right, it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: Having so many of these conversations about the skin, I'm
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  Speaker 2: realizing more and more that the choice is really ours
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to taking care of our own skin.
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  Speaker 2: Just like I follow my intuition with what I eat
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  Speaker 2: and what I do, the same goes for skincare. I
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  Speaker 2: know that I always want to be making a conscious
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  Speaker 2: choice of what I'm doing versus listening to some social
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  Speaker 2: media advice or even my friends. I need to bring
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  Speaker 2: the choice into my own and this is where I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to bring in Doctor Adeline Kickup. As a board
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  Speaker 2: certified dermatologist, she's seen this pressure firsthand, coming up right
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  Speaker 2: after the break, welcome back. You know, as a mom
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  Speaker 2: of a daughter, I'm always thinking about how much pressure
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  Speaker 2: girls in their teens, preteens, even in their twenties and older,
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  Speaker 2: particularly on Instagram and on social media, and I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to speak with doctor Kikum about feeling that pressure and
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  Speaker 2: how it affects her patience.
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  Speaker 4: And I think is more higher for gen ziers because
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  Speaker 4: they are inundated with this right in the palm of
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  Speaker 4: their hands. They are very self critical of your appearances,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: so when they come to the office, there's this urge
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  Speaker 4: to really move what I can move faster than your
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  Speaker 4: shadows when it comes to appearance, right, they want your
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  Speaker 4: nose to look a certain way, they want your chicks
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  Speaker 4: to look a certain way, and I'm like, you're still growing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And the point of reference is usually someone who's
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  Speaker 2: actually like augmented their face most likely.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And then we also have the filters that are creating
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  Speaker 4: very unreasonable expectations. So it's reassuring them, educating them that
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  Speaker 4: what they're seeing. They have to be cognizant that it's
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: not real a lot of times, and nobody is that perfect. Right.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that you're a medical doctor and you actually
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: have to explain something that's out of the medical field.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: You know that these filters are not real, that these
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: are augmented, because our reality, or a young person's reality,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: is cute.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Very very true, and it helps for them to hear
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: it from me because sometimes parents are frustrated, you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: the kid harasses the parents about oh I look like this,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: I don't like this, so they want to hear from
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: a different expert to really break it down to them
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: and say, hey, you're still growing. You think your face
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: is going to be always like this, but it's not.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Let's not do certain things prematurely. Let's wait till you
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: know you're an adult age where you can have a
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: greater insight on some of these things and personalizing your routine,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: personalizing your skin health to something that makes sense for them,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: something that is achievable, something that is doable, and really
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: really building up.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Your self esteem.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: And then for older patients, they are coming in wanting
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: to feel better about themselves. Right, Maybe they grew up
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: in an era that they didn't have access to certain procedures,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: whether cosmetic or whatever, or they just feel like they're
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: in a certain profession, maybe like sales, and these are
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: all people that are growing through societal pressures. So for me,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: it is reassuring and managing expectations within that natural process
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: of aging of what can you do and still do
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: things in a healthy manner. The idea is to never
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: as a doctor, do any harm, to go overboard when
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: it comes to your cosmetic options or just even general
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: skin care advice.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Doctor Adeline says it's important that we don't think of
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: our skin and its aging simply as an aesthetic issue.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Just like you go for checkups or your kidneys, your heart.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Skin is the same way. So much of the fixation
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be on the esthetics as much as what is
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: happening to the structural integrity and the function that we're
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: talking about when we say we're aging. So I want
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: to educate people to know what is going on from
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: that perspective. Now why you should use sun protection instead
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: of just saying, you know, let's talk about how we
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: could diminish your wrinkles, but what is happening when you
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: go out under the sun. You what we call oxidative
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: damage is happening can increase your risk to cancer. So
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: instead of just emphasizing just the esthetic part, I try
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: to remind them of the medical part. When you start
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: looking at the skin as an organ and the reasons
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: why you're doing some of these things, not wholly from
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: a cosmetic but from a medical perspective, it really centers you.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: And even as a dermatologist, I don't like the term
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: aging gracefully, like it puts so much pressure on people
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: to be youthful or to focus on the youthfulness of
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the aging process and doing everything to counteract that instead
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: of recognizing that we're aging, and how do we support
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the skin true is decline in structural integrity and function?
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: How do we make our skin work for us in
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: our skin care?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Can wrinkles or sagging skin ever become an actual medical
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: problem or is it simply just a culture norm that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: we expect not to have these things.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: So it's a fine line, especially in dermatology, because we
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: are dealing with an organ that is also very visible.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: You know. I joke with my cadeologist friends and I'm like,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you're just so lucky your organ is like inside.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Right, you know.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: So there's because the skin is open to a lot
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: of interpretations, you know, people's standards of beauty, esthetics and
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: so many things. But there are medical issues that happen
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: in the framework of everything as well.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: You know, people come to the clinic for a different
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: concerns sometimes, right, and I'm examining them, I'm like, wait,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not concerned about your hyperpigmentation, right, and I'm concerned
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: about that model that is changing, that needs to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: biopsyn So this is happening in the framework of other things, right,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the wrinkles, the dullness that is happening, and sometimes we
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: have new lesions, new molds popping up on the skin.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: So you have to be able to when evaluating a patient,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: look past what is just merely cosmetic to find what
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: may potentially affect your life, like a melanoma.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's a message we've come back to so many times
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: in this podcast. Our skin is an important marker of
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: our health and well being, so it's important to pay
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: attention to it and to care for it. Thank you
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: so much, doctor Adeline Kicom for your perspective.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. Let's bring Bobby back for the last word today.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Do you think as far as like leaving our listener
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: with I guess simple practical step that they can take
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: with them to improve their relationship to their skin. Whether
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: that be actually pragmatic things that they could do or
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: just a mindset shift.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: What would you say, Well, think about what you're putting
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: in your body first, and make sure you have enough hydration.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: It's a struggle I have.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I have water everywhere I go.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: There's a huge difference if I do hydrate myself correctly
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and if I don't. So that's number one. And also,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: you know, just know what food you eat that makes
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: your skin look bad. Not everyone has to be dairy free,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: not everyone has to be gluten free. I'm not allergic
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: to gluten. I could eat gluten, but I feel better
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: if I don't do it that often, and I feel
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: better if it's good quality bread over anything. But I'm
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: only making those choices for me, and I'm not telling
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: people they have to do what I do. But I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: just want people to pay attention to what goes in
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: their body. I mean, I stopped eating sugar to make
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: me feel good, you know, and everyone's like, how did
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: you do that? I'm like, because I'd rather have a cocktail.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I won't give up my cocktail.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Bobby, I really appreciate you taking the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: time and chatting.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's really awesome.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Thanks, I'll talk to you soon.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Bobby, Bye, bye bye.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It's always such a treat and pleasure to speak to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: beauty legend Bobby Brown. She really shares so much wisdom
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: about not only aging naturally, but simply taking care of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: yourself enjoying yourself along the way. There's something that Bobby
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: says that really resonates with me, and that's taking care
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: of yourself, not listening to the outside world or outside pressures.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And clearly it has worked for her and it's such
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: an inspiring thing to look at her journey and how
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: she stayed consistent with that message throughout her life. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: as always, be your own advocate, know your own body
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and skin, follow that intuition, because if an issue arises,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: don't be afraid to reach out for help. Skin Queries
• 23:32
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• 23:36
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• 23:37
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• 23:39
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• 23:42
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