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Bad moms in cars: Using baby to bypass ignition interlock · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Every year, thousands of convicted drunk drivers and received a
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  Speaker 1: cord order to install an ignition interlock device on their vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Ignition interlocked devices, or I I d s are designed
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  Speaker 1: to keep convicted drunk drivers from starting cars if they've
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  Speaker 1: been drinking again. In order to start the car, of course,
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  Speaker 1: they need to blow into the device to physically show
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  Speaker 1: that they are not intoxicated. This is Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, But according to Pennsylvania State Police, Waynesboro resident
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  Speaker 1: Angela day walt is charged with a d y endangering
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  Speaker 1: the welfare of a child and other charges. Day Waltz
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  Speaker 1: was in a single vehicle crash. When state police got
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  Speaker 1: to the accident, they found out from a witness that
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  Speaker 1: before she got into the car, she attempted to have
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  Speaker 1: her eight year old daughter blow into our admission interlock.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely incredible, A drount mom uses her little girl's breath
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  Speaker 1: to start the car and flee the crash scene. Did
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  Speaker 1: mommy use her eight year old daughter to bypass the
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  Speaker 1: ignition interlocke? I mean, really, you have your eight year
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  Speaker 1: old that's a good memory. Yeah, I remember my mom
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  Speaker 1: had me breathe into the steering wheel so she could
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  Speaker 1: drive drunk with me in the car. Good times. I
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I just don't get it. A woman who
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  Speaker 1: we think has a history of drunk driving now stands
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  Speaker 1: accused of using her little girl's breath to bypass an
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  Speaker 1: anti drunk driving device on her car before she got
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  Speaker 1: into another d u y wreck. See this is the
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  Speaker 1: way I see it. It's not just driving drunk. It's
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  Speaker 1: potential murder because I have seen so many vehicular homicides
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  Speaker 1: where people drive drunk and they know darn well what
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  Speaker 1: they're doing and somebody loses their life. I remember affluenciteen
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Couch driving under the Influence. He killed four people
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  Speaker 1: and left a fifth permanently paralyzed. A quadriplegic who is
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  Speaker 1: trapped in their own body, can't move, can only see
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  Speaker 1: the world because of Ethan Couch driving under the Influence
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  Speaker 1: with me, Alan the Duke. Duke, Alan, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: this kind of device on your car because you are
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  Speaker 1: a good citizen. You don't just have an anti drunk
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  Speaker 1: driving device on your car. Okay, doesn't work like that.
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  Speaker 1: The technology development adding these two cars has actually allowed
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  Speaker 1: people who have drunk driving arrests to still get to work,
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  Speaker 1: go to church or wherever they gotta go, maybe even
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  Speaker 1: to the bar, or take their kids to the soccer game,
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  Speaker 1: but they've got to blow and show that they have
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  Speaker 1: not been drinking. So it's great technology, but this mom
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  Speaker 1: thought she could get around it. Now. This apparently just
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  Speaker 1: went down a few days ago where a witness states
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  Speaker 1: the mother made her eight year old daughter blow into
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  Speaker 1: the ignition interlock. The devices are actually meant to prevent
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  Speaker 1: people with d u I convictions from driving drunk again
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  Speaker 1: or killing anybody. The car will not start if the
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  Speaker 1: driver has a blood alcohol over the limit, which typically
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  Speaker 1: is point zero eight. Well shortly after that, after the
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  Speaker 1: little girl blows into the device, she crashes the car
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  Speaker 1: with the daughter in it, and then allegedly leaves the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Leaves the scene, then founded home. After police respond to
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  Speaker 1: the crash report, she's taken into custody for blood alcohol
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  Speaker 1: screening and found to be intoxicated. There is an on
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  Speaker 1: verified online record of a previous arrest for this woman.
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  Speaker 1: But I can tell you this much, Alan, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have this kind of device on your car just for
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  Speaker 1: the fun of it. That's not how this works. So
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  Speaker 1: now what do we do? I mean, I've often heard
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  Speaker 1: of people bypassing, for instance, drug tests, by getting someone
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  Speaker 1: else to urinate and use that sample a clean sample
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  Speaker 1: so drugs don't show up. But I've never heard of
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  Speaker 1: anyone using a child's breath to beat a lot of
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  Speaker 1: device on the car. What about you? I'm sure this
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  Speaker 1: has been done, but with a child. Could she lose
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  Speaker 1: custody of her child? She is charged with corrupting this
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  Speaker 1: eight year old. Yeah, she absolutely can, because not only
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  Speaker 1: did she circumvent the law by using a child, it's
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  Speaker 1: like taking a child in with you to an armed
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  Speaker 1: robbery or shoplifting. She's using the child to get around
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  Speaker 1: the law, to beat the law. And then she had
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  Speaker 1: the wherewith thought to do that. But then she had
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  Speaker 1: a crash, so she can't say, oh, I was so drunk,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing, because she had
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  Speaker 1: the wherewithal to beat the system, so to speak. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's totally gonna lose custody. I don't know for good,
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  Speaker 1: but for now, we're talking about an ignition interlocked system device.
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  Speaker 1: It's a breath alcohol ignition interlock device called an I
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  Speaker 1: I D or b A I I D. It's basically
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  Speaker 1: a breathalyzer, an individual personal breathalyzer that's attached to your car,
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  Speaker 1: and it requires the driver to blow into a mouthpiece
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  Speaker 1: and the car will not start until you blow into
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  Speaker 1: the mouthpiece every single time you crank the car up.
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  Speaker 1: If the resulting breath and it gets analyzed immediately is
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  Speaker 1: greater than the programmed be a blood alcohol concentration, the
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  Speaker 1: device will not allow the engine to start. Now that
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  Speaker 1: is located inside the vehicle near the driver's seat, and
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  Speaker 1: it's directly connected to the engines ignition system. What it
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  Speaker 1: does is it interrupts the signal from the ignition to
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  Speaker 1: the starter of the car until a sober breath sample
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  Speaker 1: is provided. So that's how that whole thing works. It's
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  Speaker 1: really ingenious. Now at random times after the engine has
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  Speaker 1: been started, it can also require another breath sample. Did
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  Speaker 1: you know that? Alan? Before you answer that question, Alan
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even when I was a county prosecutor having
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  Speaker 1: my twins, we have home security. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: safe dot com slash Nancy. I don't think you can
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  Speaker 1: put a price on protecting your family. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: mean just possessions, you know, Sure, what would I What
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  Speaker 1: would I say? I would say my grandmother's engagement ring.
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  Speaker 1: I probably saved the letters my fiance wrote me before
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  Speaker 1: he was killed. Let's see. I'd probably try to save
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  Speaker 1: all our family albums that I've worked so hard on.
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  Speaker 1: The rest of it, you know, forget it. But what
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  Speaker 1: about my twins? What about that? I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 1: just about possessions. So I want to thank simply Safe
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  Speaker 1: from making to date possible. Thank you, simply Safe. Alan
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  Speaker 1: was just asking a question, did you know about these
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  Speaker 1: um alcohol ignition interlocked devices? Catch this Once you actually
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  Speaker 1: blow into the device and you crank cup, it can
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  Speaker 1: randomly for no reason, just suddenly make you blow again
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  Speaker 1: at random times after the engine has been started. The
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  Speaker 1: idea will require another breath sample. Whoopsie, so so she
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  Speaker 1: could use her daughter's breath, and then five minutes later
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  Speaker 1: she's driving and could ask for another breath. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know that they have other ways of also keeping you
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  Speaker 1: from working around it. Some of these systems actually have
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  Speaker 1: cameras and we'll take a picture of who's behind the
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  Speaker 1: wheel and who's doing the test. People complain, Oh, it
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  Speaker 1: gives me false positives. I'm stuck out here on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road. I'm perfectly sober. I only ate pizza.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't drink anything, only pizza, and I'm getting a
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  Speaker 1: false positive, you know, I mean, the whole thing about
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  Speaker 1: mouthwash can show up in all of that. They think
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  Speaker 1: that they need to work around. So what do they do?
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  Speaker 1: If you go online, you can find videos to show
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  Speaker 1: you how to work around these things. Like one video
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  Speaker 1: and YouTube shows you how to use compressed air, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, a can of compressed air. Another thing is
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  Speaker 1: you can, of course ask the friend in the seat,
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  Speaker 1: not your eight year old daughter, but somebody else to
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  Speaker 1: blow for you. You You kind of make it sound like
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  Speaker 1: you think it's okay for your friend to do it. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that. I'm saying that it actually doesn't throw
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  Speaker 1: a work to do that, because now they're putting cameras
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  Speaker 1: on these things and they can go back and look
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  Speaker 1: and see who was blowing. Right, this is what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about everybody. And allegedly drunk mother gets her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: her eight year old little girl, to blow into the
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  Speaker 1: anti d UI device to start her car, say police.
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  Speaker 1: Now this goes down in Chambersburg and they say, the
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  Speaker 1: woman who had a device on her car that blocked
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  Speaker 1: her from drinking and driving got her taught. Let's say
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  Speaker 1: that would be a second grader to blow into the
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  Speaker 1: machine so she could crank up. Then she goes and
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  Speaker 1: crashes the car with the daughter inside. Now, if this
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  Speaker 1: is true, she knowingly drove with her child, her baby
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  Speaker 1: in the car. Right now, the thirty six year old
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  Speaker 1: mom from Waynesboro is charged with drunk driving, child endangerment,
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  Speaker 1: corruption of miners, traffic offenses. It was a one car crash,
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  Speaker 1: Thank goodness, she didn't kill somebody else. At eleven o'clock
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  Speaker 1: at night, she's out with the daughter drinking at eleven
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  Speaker 1: o'clock at night. Now, according to police, she flees the
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  Speaker 1: scene and goes home, but a witness report seeing her
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  Speaker 1: coercing her daughter to blow into the car's ignition device.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that really takes the cake. It really does.
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  Speaker 1: She's in a lot of trouble, and especially if this
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  Speaker 1: is one of those systems that has the camera. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: when we do this podcast and you see when you
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  Speaker 1: open up your computer, your laptop, it takes a picture
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  Speaker 1: of you, right, did you notice that? Did you know it?
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  Speaker 1: And it says, hello, Nancy, you don't use that. I've
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  Speaker 1: got the same computer that you've got, and when I
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  Speaker 1: opened it up and I look at the camera, you
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  Speaker 1: may not put on Make no, no, Nancy, it's just
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  Speaker 1: gonna It's just a digital thing that if it recognizes
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  Speaker 1: you then you don't have to type your password in.
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  Speaker 1: That same kind of technology could be put into these things.
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  Speaker 1: But here's what happens if you're caught bypassing the system.
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  Speaker 1: It's a privilege. These ignition interlock devices didn't used to exist.
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  Speaker 1: So once this crackdown, you know, with mothers against drunk
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  Speaker 1: drivers and all of that started, and then they started
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  Speaker 1: actually punishing people for driving under the influence convictions. That
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  Speaker 1: was really in the eighties when that crackdown started. For
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times, these people they'd lose their jobs,
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  Speaker 1: they couldn't go to work, they couldn't live their lives
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  Speaker 1: behind the wheel. But these ignition interlocks as a privilege
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  Speaker 1: if you qualify for it costs a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: money and are an inconvenience, but they allow you to drive.
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  Speaker 1: If you're caught violating this, what happens is you're taken
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  Speaker 1: off the program, you can't drive, and your d u
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  Speaker 1: I sentence is extended. But this woman could possibly lose
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  Speaker 1: her eight year old daughter custody of her child because
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  Speaker 1: of it. She was taken straight to Chambersburg Hospital for
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  Speaker 1: a blood draw and, according to reports, was found to
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  Speaker 1: be under the influence. Still, I mean, this is what
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  Speaker 1: she got her daughter to blow into the device. She
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  Speaker 1: then cranks up, drives away, crashes the car please the scene,
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  Speaker 1: goes home, gets busted, gets dragged, arrested by police, then
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  Speaker 1: gets taken to the hospital finally as a blood draw.
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  Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is, if she's still point oh eight,
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  Speaker 1: she must have had a snoopful. Yeah, I guess she did.
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  Speaker 1: I guess she did. To put it in technical legal terms,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she was so drunk that she used really bad
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  Speaker 1: judgment with her eight year old child. And speaking of moms,
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  Speaker 1: now I've got a Maryland mom who allegedly drunks her
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  Speaker 1: five year old son he's so cute and leaves him
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  Speaker 1: for dead in a burning car. A Maryland mother charged
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  Speaker 1: with drugging her five year old son, putting him in
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  Speaker 1: a car and lighting it on fire. Her what it
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  Speaker 1: was like ben a drill? It was ben and drill.
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  Speaker 1: She gave him. What about that? Alan? Very shocking. She
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  Speaker 1: reportedly forced her son to drink threety eight milligrams of
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  Speaker 1: different hydramine, which is the active ingredient in medications like
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  Speaker 1: ben a drill. After administering a lethal dose, she sets
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  Speaker 1: the car Dana was in, locked in on fire, and
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  Speaker 1: staged it to look like an accident, according to the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post. Now police believe her motive was quote misguided
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  Speaker 1: retaliation against the husband. The pair were in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a bitter divorce and had been fighting since two
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  Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. They only went on two thousand and seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: and in just six years it had all gone to hell.
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  Speaker 1: In a handbasket. They had joint custody, and they had
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  Speaker 1: one issue after the next. She just claims she couldn't
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  Speaker 1: handle it. Well, you know what, she thought of a
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  Speaker 1: way out, and that included killing her son. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: sick about it. She's gonna have a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: to think about it. What was her prison center, She's
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  Speaker 1: she's getting a half century in prison. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know she'll do that because it looks like it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be. It looks like a plea. But police say
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  Speaker 1: she intentionally crashed her Toyota Corolla and used water jugs
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  Speaker 1: filled with gasoline to douse the interior. She actually told
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  Speaker 1: cops she gave her son medicine to treat a fever,
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  Speaker 1: but the mom also claims she had gasolene bottles in
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  Speaker 1: case she couldn't find a gas station. The last time
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  Speaker 1: I heard that was with Jodi Arius. What a cute
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  Speaker 1: little kid. I'm looking at these pictures of him. He smiling,
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  Speaker 1: looks like a good kid. I'm sure he was a
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  Speaker 1: good kid. Five years old. It was a fatal dose.
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  Speaker 1: He was dead in the car, and she was disposing
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  Speaker 1: of the body. Is that it. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it was an amount that could lead to death. I
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  Speaker 1: know that she. I just wonder also had she done
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  Speaker 1: this before? But it is absolutely first degree murder, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just beside myself because I remember how helpless the
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  Speaker 1: twins were at age five. What I can do right
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  Speaker 1: now is just pray God take little Daniel into thy care.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Dana, the poor little guy. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: his life must have just been pure hell. Guys, I
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