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Tom Kosnik - Fatherhood and Leadership · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Riley.
• 0:04
  Speaker 2: And I'm Ryder and this is my Dad's Show.
• 0:06
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• 1:36
  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, it is Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dadcast.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: We are at the end of summer now.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: This episode will come out in about a month or so and our next guest comes from a gentleman I met in my travels through the wide world of entrepreneurship, a gentleman, mark Augustinelli, who's going to be a future guest on the podcast.
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: You'll be hearing his episode soon.
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: But our next guest, his name is Tom Kosnick.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: He's a Redhawk, he's a mighty Falcon.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: We're going to find out which, which more the alliances are, but for the last 25 years, or maybe almost 26, he's been the president of a fantastic consulting group called the VISA group, providing organizational development, business process improvement, strategic planning, compensation review, workforce transformation, etc.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: All impacting the staffing industry, many staffing executives, and when we, when our paths crossed, we were, we were, we were pleasantly surprised of how many mutual connections we had in common.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: But that's not why we're going to be having Tom on the day.
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: We're having Tom on the day to talk to him about Tom the dad and how he has and continues to work hard on becoming that ultimate quarterback or a leader of his household.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: So without further ado, mr Kosnick, welcome to the quarterback dadcast.
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to be here, Casey.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: Well, we always start each episode with gratitude, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a father today?
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, that I, we are maybe a year and a half into being a empty nester.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: So my wife and I, but she, the other day she said it's so, it feels so great to know that all the chickens are out of the roost and doing well.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: And we had you.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: You will talk, I'm sure, about this.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: But my oldest is Down syndrome and autistic, so and he, casey, is living his best life.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: He's in a, he's in a Silla up in the north, near Northern suburbs and I've got my daughter.
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: She works with us in the business and she's doing fantastic.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: And then in my other son he's in Iowa working for John Deere.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: He's he's probably going to make it.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: This is so crazy I don't think he understands.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: You know, first, first job out of college, casey, $80,000, you know.
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: And then he gets like overtime and all that stuff.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: So John Deere works in this plant for transmissions where they build the largest transmission that John and they did this big recall.
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: So he's working.
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: He's working like six days a week and I was talking to him on Sunday he said yeah, you know, I think I'm going to make more than $100,000.
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: Not bad for first job First, first job first year out of college.
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: So anyway, long story short, very grateful that the that all the chickens are out of the roost and they're all thriving.
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Of course you know, my wife and we've been married 31, 30, 31 years and so we she's, she's been fantastic, fantastic spouse and mother and business support and all that.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I am grateful today my I, my wife and my daughter reunited.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: My son and I, writer, we were, we were on vacation together and then my son and I came back early for a golf tournament for him to play in.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: And then my wife and daughter landed late last night and shout out to SeaTac Airport, why are you guys so bad at luggage?
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: I hate to throw you on blasts on the podcast.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, they landed at 1050.
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: We didn't leave the airport till 1250.
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: Every time I go there, the bags are issues, staffing, staffing so annoying.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: And we're talking about staffing today.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe we can.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe the vices group can help out.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: Seattle, seattle Airport.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: Hey it's.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: it's no better at midway Unbelievable.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: But I'm grateful they're home.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for all back together as a family.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: And you know it's funny Sometimes you're apart, yet you grows for everything font.
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: You know, whatever that phrase is about fondness grows the heart, whatever that is.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that, yeah, yeah.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: Absence makes the heart grow fond there we go.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like you.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: It's nice to see everybody back home.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: And now we're going to be right back in the swing of things.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: And you said empty nested.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like I got a senior in high school and my daughter will be a sophomore, so I'm not far behind you and it's gonna be here before I know it.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it will be here before you know it.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, you talked Well, actually, before we go into the, the cosmic huddle.
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: So are we a Red Hawk or a mighty Falcon?
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: Who's our alliance?
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: We are, we got both, or because the guys are blowing green state University.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: Falcons.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: But then we got Seattle.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, blowing green, yeah, they, they, they got a great hockey team there.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: You mentioned that you're a big hockey fan but, yeah, probably more of a bowling green, you know, fan.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: But I grew up in the Detroit area so it's hard, hard not to you know, not hard not the, the maze in blue.
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: It's hard not to get excited about, about the Wolverines.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: And well, you're, you're, you're your next quarterback.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: So you know, jim Harbaugh, he's, he's one of the more entertaining, he's a beauty.
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: He was a beauty.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a beauty, yeah, okay, well, let's go inside the cousin cuddle.
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: You briefly talked about each member of the squad, but I want to, I want to know in detail.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: You mentioned your wife, catherine.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: 31 years of marriage.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: Congrats on that.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: But talk about.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: Talk about, maybe, where you met and then a little bit about each member of the family.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: So, catherine and I, we were introduced by a mutual friend of ours she, we're both working, living in the Chicago land area and mutual friend, a co worker of mine.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, tom, you know I met the perfect girl for you, and like Ann, I and thanks, but no thanks, and you know I wasn't dating anybody at that time.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you've got that, anyway, we.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: So a friend of mine, a co worker of mine, introduced me to Catherine and it bit of a bit of a love at first sight.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: We, we met.
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  Speaker 1: We, of course, we were older, I was 30.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: She was 29.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: And so we met and then, a year later, we got married and 31 years later we're still married.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: So we were doing something right, there we go and let's see the, our first born, andrew.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: He all three kids were born in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: We were living in Kentucky at the time and but yeah, Andrew is Down syndrome and autistic, a fantastic, fantastic young man.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: He's lives in a cell in the near northern suburb of Chicago and he is in a day program.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: They they do dog treats and make dog treats and do some other things.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: They do some educational stuff there as well.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: But he's also a.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: He also is in a theater group and so he one of my more recent linked in podcasts he's performed three times on the Shakespeare theater and he's been in 25 plays, plays, plays, production, plays.
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: It takes them, you know, like six months to put one of these things together.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: And this group is this very, this group is very inspirational.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: Able is the name of, the is the name of the organization, but Ellie just spelled a, b, l, e and it's an acronym for, for, for, for something and but but anyway, very inspirational.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: Started by a young couple who wanted to help people with disabilities.
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: So they had an acting background and entertainment background and so they, they wanted to, they wanted to work with people with special needs, and so they've.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: They've done shorts, movie shorts.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: So, casey, you know, in South Chicago here there's like a one square mile, you know, like the Chicago fire and you know all that stuff it gets filmed there.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: And so he was in.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: He was in one short that was like 40, he was two shorts that were 45 minutes in length and then he was in some little ones that were like five minutes in length.
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: But anyway they, they actually hear.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: My wife had to drop him off at the, at the, at the theater center down there on the south side.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: He had to go in and do do what it voiceovers on, and the chasers like, oh my gosh, and he's he, he loves to, he loves to paint, he's, so he loves to draw and paint and he's got an art therapist that works with him and he's, he's.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Actually now he's got a little page.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: He's, he takes commissions Nothing crazy.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: He he did sell.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: He did sell.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: His biggest.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: His biggest commission was actually a $5,000 commission.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: So we were go.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Andrew, oh boy.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Huh, I mean, like real artists try to sell stuff, can we?
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: you got to make sure we get a link to his website.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: I'll link it.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: I'll link it in the show notes and we'll make sure that people can find his work.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yes, that sounds great, yeah, I'll do that, and but yeah, he's, he's, he's got like five or six commissions now and but yeah, wonderful, great sense of humor, very, very intuitive, wonderful, wonderful individual.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: And so that's that's.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: That's Andrew, and then my.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: My second one is Emma and she works with us in the business, a University of Illinois graduate and graduated with communications.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: And then she, she worked for a couple of years with special needs.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: She worked with an organization called Larsh.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: She did that for a couple of years through COVID and then she decided to move to Mexico for a year and a half.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: So she it was so funny, she actually put a PowerPoint presentation for for my mom, for her mother and I got us together and walked us through this PowerPoint presentation on where in Mexico and the safety and the jobs and all that stuff.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: But she she now is.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: She's now working in the business, manages our, our, she's like a COO and manages the peer roundtable program, which is a.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: You know, we've got over 100 C sweet execs now in our, our peer roundtable program and so she's touches them all.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: She got great.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Well, here let me tell you a really funny story.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: So she's working for Larsh with kids with disabilities and it's a living.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: So she's like living in this house and she works X number of hours and then she's gets cuts couple days off, and so she ended up working with a friend of mine that had a technology company here in town and she was, I don't know, worked like you know a couple, a couple eight hour shifts with him.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: It was paying.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: You know a lot better than you know what the social service you know pay was.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: But you know, three months in and she's in about she's doing about, you know, employee evaluation with the, with the social services organization, and you know Emma the director oh, emma, this, this, you know this you got this other part time job and you're working here five days a week and there are two days a week and you know we think that you know that's, that's not a good thing and and you know it's too many, you get too many working.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: And she said this job at Larsh.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Course she grew up with, you know, an older sibling with a disability.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: She said this job at Larsh, you really shouldn't even call it a job.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: She said if you live with my brother and my father, that's work.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: So Emma's got to.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Emma also got a great sense of humor.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: She was, she was, she's just super, super witty.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: She was like the only one that could out with me at the dining room table and and I could, I could tell you 100 stories of how she outwitted me and she's got a wonderful.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: She's got a wonderful personality and a wonderful analytical mind.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: I taught her how to play checkers.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: She was like a little whatever eight or ten or something.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: I taught her and her younger brother how to play checkers.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: We didn't have a TV when the kids were growing up.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: We did games and reading and things like that.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: So I had a nephew that was a college kid at Columbia and he was babysitting the kids or watching the kids.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Anyway, the next day my nephew says to me hey, he said I'm going to beat me in checkers and I said, oh yeah, she's pretty good at checkers.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: He says no, he said I was actually trying to win.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: So she's got a very, very good analytical mind.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: And then my youngest, rainer.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: He's recently graduated from the University of Dayton, so he's a flyer Flyer.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know him and he's doing well.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: He's first job out of college, making a really, really great salary, and he's an Eagle Scout and kind of got involved in a lot of different things.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: And we were fortunate enough, casey, to send our kids to private schools and you know how that works.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: So our kids are with kids from families of similar values and a commitment towards education, commitment towards ethics and commitment toward values.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: So that was really very, very critical to Kate and I that we have our kids connected to folks like that.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: So my daughter, emma, she went to an all girls school and my son decided then they decided, by the way, but my son decided to go to an all boys school down in South Chicago and so he still has a whole group of friends that are down there.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he's got a very he's got like an applied engineering mind and so, like when he was, when he was, you know eight or 10, we got him one of those big connects, you know sets, and and then he's hey, dad, you know, can I buy, can you help me buy a couple of motors for my connects?
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: And sure, yeah, let's go, I'll order them off Amazon and off we go.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And anyway, I, you know he's home, I was gone for a day, on a Saturday, and I come back home and I, he could look, he could look at a picture of the connects and they have all the, all the the well, click this piece here and that piece.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: He would be able to look at it and then two hours later he'd get it, he'd have the whole thing built.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And so he just, he's got that, he's got that, that mind where you know I call it like an applied engineering mind you know where he can, he can see something.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And then, oh yeah, I know how that, you know, I know how that is built and right, I would know how to build that and off he goes and so really, very, very, very responsible, responsible young man.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: And and gosh, I heard the statistic on Eagle scouts.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: It's like less than 10% of the kids that get into the scouts that actually make Eagle.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: But but he, he did it and yeah, yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And it's a big, it's a big deal, Big time.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple of buddies one buddy that did it, I think one buddy that was in it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It was like I think he decided to hang up the cleats and not do it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: But you should, your son should know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: My son, Ryder, just took his first victory lap in a John Deere tractor.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: John Deere mower.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: We were.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: So we, where we live, we, we don't have grass, um, cause I didn't want to.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: We have some property here and I didn't want to spend 74 hours every weekend mowing, so we went with the rock bark turf route.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But then, as a dad, I'm like God, what a, what a, what a moron I am.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to teach my son how to mow a lawn.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: This is like the worst thing ever.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: That's like a failure.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: And we were.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: We go back East, this place called Cuddy Hunk Island, and it's this like magical, we call it pretend world, where my, my daughter, she, you get a break from sports and we just they go and it's the best summer jobs from.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You know, whether you're working on an oyster farm cutting on shellfish or working in a bed and breakfast, and they'll, they'll put kids like 11 years old to work.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It's like crazy, right.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And then he was supposed to work on the oyster farm but then he had to leave early because it's golf tournament, so he kind of like lost the summer job or like, ah, what a bummer.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: But then we're there and he gets pulled up out of the bullpen to join the yard crew and now he's never, he's.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: He's been done.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: He's weeded before, but he's never been on a mower All of a sudden.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Not serious, not serious yard work.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: They throw them on the the John Deere day one.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh God.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden we're me and my buddy.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: We got done like taking a walk, old man exercise.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And we hear this mower come up the hill and I look.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, is that writer?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The hell?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And he had this shit eating grin on his face and I'm like I go, look at him.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: He's like I go, he's got his hand up.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It was like like he just fricking scored the wing touchdown.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like writer, what are you?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: He turns them all off.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: He's like, what are you doing?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It's like she's taking a victory lap, dad, I mean, you're talking about wit and sarcasm, like I.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I wish I did not pass that down on my kids because they torch me all the time.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm on the John Deere for the first time.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, funny, rainer, he, he graduated from high school, went to university, dayton, and he didn't come back.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You know, his first, his first year, his first summer, he ended up going to Fillmont, which is the largest, it's a Boy Scout camp in in Nevada and it's in New Mexico, I'm sorry, new Mexico Anyway.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So he worked the summer out in out there and then the next summer he next summer he was did an internship down in in Indiana and then the next summer after that he did, he went to Africa for the summer on some kind of a volunteer thing and then the summer after that he stayed in Dayton and you know, did worked in Dayton and took a couple classes, summer classes, that kind of thing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So it kind of funny.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: We, you know, when my daughter, she, she bounced back over the summers a couple times, but yeah, crazy.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So when you're talking about time goes fast, I mean, Kate, and I never thought that okay, when we send him off to college like he's not coming back, I mean we think, oh, he's going to come back for the summer, what not?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: But no, when he went away to college, he, he went away and I'm not, I'm not ready for that one yet, Tom, that's.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: oh man, it's going to be Right here he felt he felt confident enough to do all that stuff right.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You said you and you and Kate did something.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: right, yeah, right, let's do you guys, yeah, we, we, we were, we were.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: This is one thing I'm proud about.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: We were at a Barnes and Nobles and in Chicago here and they have a kids section and my kids were I don't know, they were 10 and 10, 12 and 12 and 10 and eight or something, somewhere like that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And so we put we, hey, you guys go to the children's section.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And so of course I go to the children's section and then Kate and I we kind of looked for books and the areas that we were wanted to go.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Look, and I don't know.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Half an hour later I go back to the children's section and the young college student that was working there Of course there are kids that are climbing up the shelves like it's a ladder and they're not just destroying the kid section of Barnes and Nobles and this young girl walks up to me.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: She said are these your three kids?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And I said yes, and she said they've been sitting here for a half an hour reading.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And I said yeah, well, we're big readers, we're big readers at the house.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And she said no.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: She said that's this.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: No, we never get kids that come here and read on their own for a half an hour.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: She said you're doing something right.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I mean it's, it's you are what you allow as parenting advice.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I got it's great leadership advice right and they they just like employees, learn people, learn athletes learn kids.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: They learn from seeing and doing, and so Modeling right, Modeling 100% AC right, Modeling right Right.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: That was a great intro about all your kids, and I love learning about all of them, but I want to go back in time, though, and hear hear what was life like for you growing up.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I want to learn about how your parents shaped you now that you're a father or an empty nester.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we seven of 10.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So I grew up in a big, big Polish Catholic in the Detroit area, warren, michigan, and yeah, it was well, it was just a.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Of course, you know, I'll get on a plane or a train or I'll be at the airport and I can read the newspaper, I can read a book, of course my wife is.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: My wife says to me, how can you, how can you like read with all this chaos going around?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I said, I said this is not chaos.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I said when I was growing up, that was chaos.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It was a.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: We had my dad we're 100% Polish and my my she was in my, not.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: My grandfather, my great grandfather, you know, came over from, from Poland and they settled in Bay City on a farm and then eventually moved into the Detroit area for the jobs with the auto industry, the, the, the growth of the of the auto industry.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But they, they were big home builders.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So they, they built the homes that they, they lived in.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: So the house I grew up in, you know, my dad, my dad built it and a lot of my uncles built the houses that they, that they, that they, they grew up in.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But so we were we, we had a whole shop.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: We were always tearing something apart.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough, casey, to grow up first off the auto industry, so you can't, you can't go, can't go wrong there it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being so being seven to 10.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So we had this great wood shop in the basement tool whatever that band saws and table saws and blades, and so we had all that stuff.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So we were always down there making something, we, and then, as I, the other thing was automobiles.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So we could, and I wish we had more of this today.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But and I'm trying to think how old I was I may have been a 16 year old kid my first car.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It was a Chevy Nova.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: It was a four door Nova it was.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It was a 194 straight six.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really a great, a great engine, but it was good enough for that, that car.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And it was a.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It was a 19, 1967.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So 66 was the first year that Nova came out.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: This was a 67.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But anyway, the we needed to rebuild the engine and so my brother and I decided that we were going to rebuild this engine and the kid down the street his older brother was a, was a was an auto shop at one of the one of the local high schools.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So we could let go on Saturday and use the auto shop to, you know, stick the head of the of the engine and get all the grease and all that stuff off of it in this, in this bed.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we, we rebuilt that engine and put it back together.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you there were some moments where my dad was not happy because it was it was February and we had all these parts on the garage floor.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So of course my dad couldn't park the car in the garage.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And again, who?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You know what were we thinking?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But there was, there was.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: There's no better feeling.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You're a kid and you just took apart an engine, put it back together again and you stick that key in the keyhole and you start that engine.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: There was just no better feeling.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It and it didn't matter.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, we rebuilt carburetors, we rebuilt, we would, we would.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a funny story I had another car.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So the thing about growing up, so my older siblings, they would drive a car, especially my sisters, they would drive a car until they drove it into the ground and then they would say, tom, you can, if you pay for the, for the transfer of the title, you know you can have this car.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So of course I, I owned like 18 cars by time I was, you know, graduated from high school.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, I owned a new port, I had like three Dodge darts.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I had a.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: My dad worked for Chrysler.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I had a Plymouth Fury three.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: What'd you put these things?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, believe it or not, some guy that lived in the neighborhood came and knocked on my, knocked on my dad's door, on our door on on a Saturday afternoon and asked my dad if he was a used car salesman.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So we parked them right on the street.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: We'd have.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: We'd have them on blocks in the back.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my God, I just kept my poor dad.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Where did he learn?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Where did he learn the handy skills?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Was it his dad?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, they, they very like the Casey electrical plumbing tile.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: They built houses, these guys built.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: My grandfather was a metal finish finisher for Chrysler and and then in the evenings and on the weekends they had a remodeling business.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And my dad is one of 13.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: In the first seven, eight, nine, first nine were boys.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And so they, yeah, they, they would do big projects.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And plus so the Polish, they were big.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: The plasterers you know the old plaster and my.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So my uncles taught me my.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: My uncle, leonard, taught me how to nail.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I was a 10 year old kid, nine year old kid, something like that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: He taught me how to nail a nail into a board and how to hold a hammer.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And you know I'd go on these projects and we'd do the scrape paint off the side of a house and you know we were doing that kind of.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: You know that kind of stuff.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But that that truly is the greatest.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I mean when that whole front, the greatest generation, when you think about when you, when I think about what, what might, not only my uncles but my aunts, but when I think about what my uncles and my aunts taught me as a young person in terms of ethics, here's another one right your word, I, I, I've talked, I've talked to Rainer about this, that and I remember my father taught me how to shake a man's hand.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if your dad did that.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and there's how many, how many, how many young men, casey, do we know out there that don't know how to shake a hand, man's hand?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Worst turn off ever.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: You know it's, but my, my father taught me.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You know, hot, okay.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Here's how you shake a guy's.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Here's how you shake a hand.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You know you look them in the eye.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: You don't squeeze too hard, you don't squeeze to.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: If you do this, that's yeah, don't do that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Here's how you open a door for a girl.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: You take a girl on a diet on date.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Here's how you open the door for the girl here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Here's how you open the car door.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Here's how you close the car door.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: You know, just like you know, don't be too nervous, don't pop up up.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: You know all that stuff.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Right, I was a you think assumed it's.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It's assumed now, but it's not no, no, no, it's not.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And but I had.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I had, gosh, you know, my.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I had two uncles that had competing plastering businesses and in the Detroit area, and so my uncles, you know, we'd get these jobs and we would Mix the cement that they would make their own lime, that the coating on the lime.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So they taught us how to do that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Plumbing, electrical.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: You know, if you got a you know thick pair of leather gloves you can work on live like a 110, you can work on live wires.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So when I met my wife, she said I was fixing something.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Don't you need, don't we have, to turn electricity off?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: The place is gonna blow.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I says, no, I got a pair of leather gloves, we're fine, you know stuff, just stuff like that that you learn, you pick up.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But then we, like I say, with the auto, with the cars, we were always ripping something apart and putting it back together again, and Always ripping something apart, putting it back together again.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I mean those our mom and dad still.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Our mom and dad still with us my, my mother.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: She's 90, 93 years of age.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: She lives in the is still is in the Detroit age, the Detroit area, and my father passed away just the December before COVID.
• 31:27
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• 31:27
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• 31:32
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• 31:39
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• 31:45
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• 31:49
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• 31:52
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• 31:53
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• 31:54
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• 32:00
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• 32:09
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• 32:15
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• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Now let's get back to today's episode 19, 19, yeah, so he was 92, 91, 91 years of age.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, 91 years of age, but so, yeah, just.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And then, and then the other thing like so, imagine so one at one, at one at one of 10, but you could, we had a bass.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: My older brother put a basketball hoop on the garage and but we had we always, I mean, just like all the neighbor kids, they all ended up at our house.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: That's where the action was.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We had a pole in the backyard, we had a baseball diamond in the backyard, we had a basketball hoop on the front of the garage.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: It just we were, we made games up, we made, we made sports games up, frisbee games, games with balls, all that stuff.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It was just a.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think about now, my, my creativity, and when somebody says, no, oh no, you can't do that, oh, no, that's I got now.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Watch me, watch me, right, it's you.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You learn that and the.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: The other thing that you learn is hey, you want to, you want to?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Well, here's, here's.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It's just two things real quick.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: One thing is is that I my first job.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I was 11 years old, I was a Detroit news Paper boy and my older brothers were and Mack Macminamy was the was the paper, the paper, you know, guy, at the local which was a mile away, and I walked my route and so I, my mom, go to my mom.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, can you drive me to the paper station?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: No, no, you want a paper out, that's your paper out.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: You got to walk to the paper.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Then you save up your money by about buy a bike.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You know, of course you're grumbling and you know, oh, my gosh, my parents are so mean and I can drive me up to the paper station and all that.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: You know, but I was, that was I learned.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Hey, like you get a job, you start saving money.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to buy a bike for and I saved up my and I bought myself my first Schwinn bike Of another big lesson right, you want it to go get it, put a plan together and and off we go.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So that was, that was one big.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You know terms of terms of growing up, and then just the.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: You know that, just the the.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You know I mentioned creativity, but Kind of get.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You know you'd be embarrassed doing this now, but you know my dad would, you'd be turned down a school.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You know there'd be some fancy glazed brick on the outside of the school.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: So my dad would pull us all to.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You know, get four or five us.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's, let's go, let's go.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: You know, collect some bricks and we'd be out there not gonna cement off those bricks and putting them in the back of the car and then he would use the bricks to go build a you know Sidewalk on the side of the, on the side of the house, or something, or use those.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It didn't matter if it was wood or bricks or bikes or you know my wife laughs about when we first got married, you know we were looking for a toaster and my dad says, oh, comes up from Then this is a Polish thing, I think but anyway he had like three toasters.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: They were all the same toaster but like, but anyway he took the parts from all three of them and made one toaster that worked and Gave us a toaster.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But so just be like, looking, just looking at your resources, right, and say saying, hey, these are the resources I have, let's make something out of this.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And my wife jokes about, she said you are the, you are the, the master.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: You can get into the refrigerator and find stuff in the refrigerator and make something that tastes so good.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: My dad.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Rest in peace.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: My dad passed away in December 29th at 20, 21, and that was in season three of the podcast.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But my dad had a lot of tools but he was just not.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: He was, I guess, kind of handy at times, like he was do stuff.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: But, tom, I might, if you googled worse handiest person and then click images, you might see me up there, buddy, I, I, I don't have the mechanical mind.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Like you talked about your son, like he said he can see it, like I, once, once we start walking through it like, oh, that makes sense, or.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: But I always joke on my great second hand.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Like you know, put me to work.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna frickin work my ass off, I'll do this to that, but like I, just my mind does not work that way.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my buddies will just give me the hardest time ever.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Like I joke, like if I had a tool belt, it'd be probably Crayola Glue stick and maybe some paper machine, some scissors, like my father-in-law.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: He's like you, like frickin MacGyver, yeah, you put stuff together and you know, we all got our strengths, weaknesses and I am, I own it head-on.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: That is my weakness.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: So so let's see we Pretty evenly, evenly split with with boys and girls, and and then the last thing is that you know it's just, you know, hey, when you got that many people there's, there's always gonna be Somebody's always gonna be scrapping with somebody.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So so there was always, there was all there was always.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: As as my, as my daughter and my son say now, dad, your family is so much more entertaining than mother's family.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Now your siblings still with us.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one sister that that passed away Years ago and but, but, but the but.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: The rest of rest of the siblings are, are, are all here.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys will get together, get together often we do.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: We do not, as I mean we used to get together, yes, and you know, covid put a, put a crimp on that and yeah, but yeah, yeah and and funny, we're all, we're, all of us are still married.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I have one sister, that that you know once you the whole unfortunate divorce thing, but you know, so we're, we're definitely beating the odds and when?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So something right there, you know, in terms of Commitment and messaging that we received from from our parents, because that's as you know it's, it takes work to have a, have a thriving marriage.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Totally, I know a live is an old, old Irish guy told me, tom, tom, he said don't, don't ever forget that kids are the enemy of a marriage.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: We were, we always got you know flowers and date night and you know that we send my wife on retreat.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: She lets me go on retreats Cards.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You know things, just all that stuff.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: You got to work on it, gotta work on it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it's right that's.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, you know people slowly grow apart.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Not working on that you mentioned a lot of like you, from creativity to ethics, to the handshake, to hard work, to you know setting goals.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I would think you know, as you think about like two or three core values that you're that really stick out from what you learn From your mom and dad that you've passed on to your kids.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Tell me what comes to mind.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, you core values, you know in it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So in the end you can sign any kind of an agreement.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: You want Core value.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Look your word.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: If you say you're gonna do this, then you know, do it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I mean that's, you know respect is given or respect is due.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: But so what one core value is, is base is basically hate.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Like you don't, you don't, you don't, I don't.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: We don't have anything else but truly our word Right, and if you good, if you, if you don't follow up on on your word, oh that, that guy's not trustworthy, oh that guy's not reliable, oh, that guy's up, you know he's, he's wishy-washy, you know that sort of thing.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And then and then of course that trail kind of follows you through.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So that that's one thing is is one big value Is that hate.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Like your, your word is really all you have.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: The other other big value is you know, my wife, my wife and I are Long-time faith filled.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: You know we, we belong to a faith community, practicing.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: But to have to have an active, practicing faith life is, you know, so it's so funny.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: My daughter dated a, dated a guy who had no faith life and and she said, gosh, dad, like this, like this guy would hit a little speed bump in the road and and and he would be lost for weeks.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Just he, just, he had nothing to fall back on.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And and she said I realized that that might be my whoever I'm gonna marry, that I really want them to have some kind of an active faith life.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So that's a.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: That's a big that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: There was a big piece, big piece of it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And then the other Another big value is just the respect for family, the respect for the extended family and respect for uncles, for aunts, respect for cousins that if we've got cousins that are struggling, we keep them in our prayers, we help out, we can help out.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But just that again, the extended family is just such a critical part of a support mechanism that helps us really thrive and helps us become the people that we were born to become.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And there's enough negativity in the world that comes at us every day and enough negative images that come at us every day, and so we really have to work at those positive images, those positive reinforcements that keep us true, keep us strong, keep us moving in the right direction.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So just, I would say those are some of the big values.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Those are all great I think about.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I spent over 20, near 25 years in a sales leadership role and one of the you said your word matters.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That hit me right in the heart because it's like, for whatever reason, I love a good CRM.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I love documenting what I hear because it shows I listened, it shows I follow up and then when I use that to like, hey, tom, I'm one fault per conversation.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: We had an ex date Like that alone.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize at the time, but it differentiated me Just by listening, following up, telling someone I did.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And in the staffing industry, which is we don't have a control or really anything except our attitude and our effort.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I teach my kids too, it's like don't be someone that says you're going to show up at 10 and then show up at 10 or five.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And just say that's okay, yeah, yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's to me that's such an under.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe I hope dads, moms, listen to at home right now that this is like resonating, or it just re, re, re, re inspiring or encouraging to keep down that path.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Because, ma'am, in this digital age where it's like technologies automating things and making things easier for our kids, the things we do have control over is your word, which is a super powerful message Right, right, you know, super powerful and in the end, in the end, in the end it is really.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And if you can't do it, people respect that Set expectations.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Let them know I hey, that's out of my, that's out of my league, I'm not the guy you need to be talking to.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Let me help you find the guy you need to be talking to.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: You know we do that all the time.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I do that all the time I get.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I get called for all kinds of stuff.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no, I can't help you there, but I do know, I know somebody that can, and I know I know a guy that's in Seattle that does some sales coaching.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: He can, he can help your sales manager.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Well, my son was my son was seven, he didn't.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: He asked me what I did and I couldn't tell him.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Buddy, dad.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Dad provides a staff augmentation and consulting services to like product development low-organism.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: He'd be like what the hell are you talking about, dad?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: That's why I just told him.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I said but dad makes friends for a living and my buddies gave me such a hard time.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Like what are you doing, dude?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Like he's going to go to recess asking for 20s from his buddies.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: So but I was like I, you think about you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: You just proved my point, like if, if a friend calls you, you're not the right friend and we find you a different friend, yeah, yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and why?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Why we all think we have to be everything to everybody.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't get that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: You know it'd be like.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: It'd be like hey, kase, can you come help me build a, build a shop?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Sure, tom, I'll help you build that shop.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Like if I had to build that thing in the first brief windstorm in Chicago.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: That thing's going down in a hurry.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: You know what about like?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Did you think about one of the the life lessons, maybe as you as a kid?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: That that maybe, where Tom wasn't his, his best but you learned like never to do that again, that maybe you've shared with your kids?
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Anything, come to my one to share that.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, just right, anger.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: You know just how do you?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: You know, again, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You know, when I was young I'd fly off the handle pretty pretty easily and, you know, carry on, and you know all that typical stuff that that males do.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: But I, I, and again, I remember, not my mom, but my dad, you know, just talking to me about flying off the handle, about getting anger, expressing anger.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But you know a better way to, to, to handle all that, all that stuff.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: So that that's, that was one thing.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: That, and and and of course, you know it's, it's a continued, it's a continued learning process, right, but that's that's, that's that's one one thing that for that I'd learned.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Did you feel like that as a dad?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Like I'm kind of leading in my next question, I always like asking dads like what was an area, your dad game, as you, as you reflect on your kids when they're growing up, that maybe you knew wasn't, wasn't where your best moment, but you had to.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Like now, as you reflect back, you can say man, I, I, this is this is.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a story here.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: So, first off, there's a, there's a the best, and my and my, my wife and I, when the kids were little, when we started having kids, we took parenting classes and they were not all that, you know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Some were okay, some were really good, some were not all that good, but first off, you, everybody, everybody that's attending that class, is trying to be a better parent and so that that network in and of itself.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: We met Casey, we met some great, great folks, and but we, we, not only do we take parenting classes and there's a lot of them out there but we also did a lot of reading, and I'm a big.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a big reader, but the best parenting book I ever read was the Good Enough Parent, bruno Bettelheim, the Good Enough Parent, and it's it's still in print now.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: He was the most renowned child psychiatrist at the time.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: But in there, you know he talks about you know, don't live vicariously through your kids.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Become a thinking parent.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: You know, you know your kid's going to have a temper tantrum.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: You know this is going to happen.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: You know that's going to happen.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: But anyway, and he talks about the whole modeling thing and in that resource as well.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, my son, my youngest son, he's, you know, add, kind of had some ADD issues.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: We kind of suspected something and but they had when he was, he was in a Montessori and they said, hey, you really got to go get, go get your son tested, which we did, and then that was confirmed and that kind of set us on a, on a path and again, nothing, nothing, you know, super challenging or anything like that.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: But I got connected with a gentleman here in the Chicago land area and his Bob, and Bob was a big German.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I forget his last name now, but I mean this guy was, was, you know, six foot two, he was like a lineman coming at you, you know big but and he also was in the scouts.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: He was a big fisherman, but he had this biofeedback.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: You know where they would.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: They would put these sensors on your head and then you'd have to concentrate and then he had exercises that he would give.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: You know, rainer, and I and I was working with with my son and the there was one, there was, there was, and I was, I was, I was in a bad habit of teasing my son and you know you kind of think you're funny or I thought I was funny and I remember we were at Bob's office, rainer and I were at Bob's office and something about this whole thing about teasing came up.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Or Rainer said something about the teasing thing and I said I don't, I don't tease you and and Bob, you know all 200 and something pounds.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: He says that the hell you don't the hell, you don't.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And it just really kind of kind of hit me and he says, yeah, yeah, you know I'd listen to you, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob Typical male, you know.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: So, they, you know, you, you, you sulk for a little while because you've been called on the carpet.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: But then, you know, a couple of days later I had a conversation with my son.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I apologized, I said, hey, I'm really going to work on, you know not, not not doing any, any of the teasing stuff.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: And I didn't realize I was doing it as much as I was doing it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: But I apologize and but that's that's, I'm going to work on that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And that was not.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: That was not the only time.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I apologized to my kids, including my son that has Down syndrome, because you make mistakes.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And well, here, here's the thing, casey, you had the.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: What I learned, the real gift in that whole thing, was that I was modeling for my children on how to apologize 1000% and love it, yeah and yeah, and it's just and, and and.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Look, I mean, I'm not sure.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it takes, it takes a, it takes a man to stand up to admit hey, I was, I'm wrong, not my intention.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I made a mistake.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to work on correcting that.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Marcie Stout, ceo and co-founder of Rebel Coach, a consulting and coaching company dedicated to cultivating leadership, building cohesive teams and fostering well-being in the workplace.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: At Rebel Coach, collaboration is one of our core principles, which is why I'm excited that Casey Jay Cox and I are partnering together to host a monthly mastermind called the intentional sales leader mastermind, where leaders can share ideas, exchange insights and gain valuable knowledge from industry experts.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: It's our promise to you that joining our mastermind will provide practical insights on how to use curiosity and humility to build relationships while exceeding revenue expectations.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: We'll also teach techniques so you can stay committed to priorities like family health and, quite frankly, things that bring daily joy.
• 53:28
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• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Now let's get back to the podcast.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: You know, let's start.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Let's start fresh.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Two things happen there.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Tom, you give yourself grace, you give yourself a gift, but you also lead by example, by showing someone else that and why the male ego gets in the way.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: That's so simple.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: You just did.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not simple, but when we think about it it really is simple.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It's very challenging, but we're all flawed.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Every one of us, yes, yeah, yeah, every single one of us is flawed.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the lesson Andrew taught me.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: My oldest is that we all have disabilities 100%.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Do you remember what age that was when that happened for your son?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh he was probably.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: He was probably like 10 years, 10 years old, 10 years, 12 years, somewhere in there.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Do you think he remembers?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: it?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I think he does yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I think he does yeah.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's so like my dad.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: My dad could drop the most amazing GD bombs and it would be like with intensity God damn it, casey.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: And like it would like scare us a little bit.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: But it would make me and my sister would laugh so hard, because when someone would swear, it was I don't know why it made me laugh, which is the exact opposite of my dad.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: One Then it put him through the roof anymore and then we'd start laughing harder and then eventually it would kind of gig a little bit.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: But he was not the most patient individual sometimes.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was stressed at work.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I find, like as a competitive person, that's my weakness, one of my weaknesses.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: But I think having this podcast just every time I'm talking to dads, it's like reminding me okay, stuff's not going to be perfect today.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: If it's not out of my expectation or vision of how the day is going to go, and it doesn't go the way, who cares?
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Go with the flow.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just like calling the audible line of scrimmage.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I got to change the play sometimes and I think when we show our kids that we can roll with the punches you mentioned.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to check that book out and I'll link it in the show notes.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Don't look like it's a great read.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: It's a great read, it's a great read.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I still use it now my oldest son.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: We did not know that he had, so it didn't come up on any of the tests and that sort of thing.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: But long story short, we were excited.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: It was our first child, so you can imagine.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have kids, you know.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You know how exciting that is and I made a big sign.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: We received the news, which was a shock, and Of course they give you a pin.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: It's a boy, all that good stuff Prior to him being born.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I made, made a big, big sign for the front of the house because all the neighbors, you know we're excited for us and all that stuff and it's, it's.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't, I didn't have a boy or girl, we didn't know if it was gonna be a boy or girl, but I got the news.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: We got the news.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just, I'll never have a day like that again in my life because we didn't know and and and you're young, 30, whatever, and you think you know a lot, but you really don't know much.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I Went home and my wife got me a Brooks Brothers jacket.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: She said hey, if you work with people that don't know they're on businesses, you need a nice, good-looking sport coat.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: And we didn't have much money at all, so this was like a piece of gold to me.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: You know this, this jacket, I mean it was my first really nice sport coat that I you know that I've ever bought and but I put that, took a shower, put the sport coat on, I'm hung the sign in front of the house, but you know it's a boy on my lapel.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I Said game on, let's go, let's go, game on right.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Rise to the occasion.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: What was, what was the hardest part?
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Your attitude, mindset are inspiring, brother, and I appreciate the vulnerability you're sharing.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: What was the hardest part about raising a child with this a disability?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: If there's one thing the most challenging would be you have, you have a, you have a big system out here that it's gotten a lot better, but you just got a fight for every, every inch.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You got a fight for you.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, my mom, my wife, became one of those super moms.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: She, she, would go sit in Arnie Duncan's office.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Arnie Duncan, before Obama was president, arnie was the director of the school system in Chicago.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: That's that's when Obama got elected president.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: He pulled Arnie the beat than the educational secretary or whatever.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: But but they got, she and another group of moms.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: You know they, they, you know they got.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: They got schools Reallocated to beat special needs schools.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: But it's just every, every inch of the way, you, you, you.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yet you have to learn to be a certain kind of an advocate, and not only, not only for your child, but for all, all children with, with, with disabilities, because it's, you know, some of these states, some of these states that just the services are just so, so poor.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: So that's that's, I would say that's the the largest, the largest challenge.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: And and then, and then the other, the other thing about the other, the other, you, for Andrew, you know he really, you know he really, he really became a big gift to our family and and that's that's.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Some people can say that's a mindset versus whatever, but I mean he's, he's just become out, he's, he's become a big, a big gift to the family.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: And, and all kids are a gift, right, all kids are a wonderful, beautiful gift.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: We're, we're blessed with our, with our three, but, yeah, you know, and then it's, then it's, you know, trying to figure out.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: You know who knows, you know you got to figure out because he's got, he's gonna be living with somebody, for, you know, in some kind of a careful situation, you know, in some kind of a care facility.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, like we're thinking, okay, like when I retire, you know I got to figure out, you know, geez, how I can, how I can keep the keep, the keep, the, the money flowing 15 years after I've passed away that.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we've been to, we've been through it all.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: You know anybody has a child with disability.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: You know they go through all kinds of things with whether they're out in public and things like that.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: But, and I think most today's, today, in today's day and age, most people are, most people are very accommodating and very understanding and they, you know, bend over backwards to help and not sure if it was always like that, but but when you get into the educational system, it's, it's a challenge, it's a challenge.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I I Don't want to tell you how many IEP you know where you go meet with the teacher and the principal, and and I was, I was in, I was in one IEP meaning, and this teacher was, she was terrible just the way she was talking and I, finally, I just thought I was at one point in the meeting.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I just looked there and I said you should really go find another career.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: You're terrible at what you're doing.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Like it's like if you treat your kids any way that you're like expressing and talking in this meeting here, my god, no wonder why.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: No wonder why the kids don't want to be around you.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I think about.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: That's a scary thought.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about how many teachers unfortunately we have some amazing teachers I'm still close with many of my high school teachers or Coaches and mentors but think about the ones that maybe are so stressed out, so burnt out and they take it on the kids and like that's impacting them.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are learning big time, big time, big time.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: So, but yeah, what did you think about?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: As you think about, as we get I want to be respectful, your time here as we think about like kind of summarizing Everything you shared, from stories, your family to life lessons, to raise in three kids or to raise in, you know, a child with disability.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Just all that together, like if you, if we could summarize you know some actionable tasks that dads can take from our conversation to so they can work on becoming that you know that a better leader they're home, better quarterback of their household.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Tell me what are a couple things they can they can take a number one.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: You know, dinner a number one.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Get to get the family together at dinner, shut the TVs, put the phones away and just have real conversation at dinner.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: We were, we were religious about having dinner as many nights a week as possible, and sometimes we had to eat a little bit later.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: But, and so much great stuff happened.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: There's so many great males of us, the kids, asking us questions, us asking about their day, us problem solving, us thinking about hey, let's you know what, do you guys wanna go on vacation or something like all that?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: But that one-on-one time or that family time together, you've gotta make that happen.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: We had a friend over, for this goes a few years back when you know we had another family over and, of course, you know, when the kids were little, people would walk in and they'd be walking around the house.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: They're like something's missing.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Come on, well, there's no TV.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would finally dawn on them that there's no TV in the house and then, once they get over the shock of no TV, they would, they would like how do you do that?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: What do you like?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: But anyway.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: So just spending that quality time with your kids.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: And then the other actionable item and I do this every year is that every year I do like a weekend one-on-one with each one of my kids.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: So Rainer, you know, will go camping or backpacking somewhere, andrew, andrew, we usually just jump in a car and do a road show, do a baseball game so last year it was the Cardinals, year before that was Cleveland anyway and then Emma will, you know, we'll do a weekend trip somewhere.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: So just that one-on-one time, very, very actionable.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: And then, hey, this is something that I've done for years.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I call it the rule of you, but it's the rule of Tom, the rule of Emma, the rule of Andrew, and it's a.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: You know what's your objective for the year, what are your principles, what are your big things that you want to get accomplished in family and your job, your education, you know what are some affirmations.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: And so we do that, everybody in our family we do that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And then we get together at some and usually shortly after the first of the year, we just, we share our rules with everybody and without the other family members.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: And even my son, andrew, does it.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I love it and it's a great thing.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: But that's something that we do that their other friends don't do.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: And so funny, when Rainer was at University of Dayton, you know, he called me up one time and says, dad, we have to write a pamphlet about the rule of you and you know how to do it, what is it and how to do it.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: And he said I've got so many friends that keep asking me about it and cause he would have it on, he'd have his rule on the outside of a binder you know that plastics that so that he could keep it in front of him and look at it.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: But things like I mean you have learned a lot of leadership things, right, that I certainly have through leadership programs and things like that.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: So you just, but you got to make it a practice, a replicable practice in your family, and that's how that stuff gets passed on.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: So those are, you know, those are, I'm thinking those are like three actionable items.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Fantastic.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: I'm inspired, I wrote down, I have a big box around the word affirmations and the rule of you is underlined.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I'll send you a copy, a blank copy.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Please do.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: I would love that.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: That'd be, that'd be, that'd be awesome.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, before we go into the lightning round, which is, I go completely random, and I show you how big of a screw loose I have up in the dome, I want to make sure people learn about the VISA's group.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: And how can people learn more about what you do?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: How can they connect with you?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: How can they connect with your company or Emma or the business?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about what you guys are doing and how can people learn more about it.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just simple.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Just the vicesgroupcom V, like Victor I S U S group G R O U P dot com.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Vicesgroupcom lower on LinkedIn.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Hit the website they can.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: All our numbers are on there and there's a contact form where they can put name and phone number and what they're interested in talking to.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I think they can call me direct directly.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I think my direct line is on the website as well, so that's the easiest way.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: And then we're all over LinkedIn.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: So you know, that's kind of the professional social media networking tool now.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that would be the easiest way to connect, okay.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: I'll make sure that's linked in the show notes so people can learn more about what you guys do.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it's been doing it for 20, almost 26 years, yeah, 30 years, yeah, 30 years.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, 30 years.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think I'd be bored.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I'm shorted, yet my bad.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no worries, no worries, but you think I would be bored.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: But you're helping people grow, You're helping people change.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: You're helping businesses grow.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: It's very exciting.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: We've got about 120 active clients.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: It's super exciting, you know, it's just yeah, it's a lot of fun and we're in a great industry.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: It's an industry that well, you know the folks that are in this industry.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Right, they're people, people.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: So a lot of fun.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: It's not easy.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: It's not easy, but when you get through those ups and downs as you probably helped many, many leaders it's what a gift.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, lightning round.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: This is where I go, random.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you questions.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Your job is to hopefully answer them as quick as you can.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: My job is to hopefully get a giggle out of you.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, truer Falls.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Your favorite Detroit line quarterback ever was Scott Mitchell, false Truer Falls.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Your favorite line quarterback was John Kittner, false Truer Falls.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: John Kittner was a college teammate of yours truly.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Casey Jacobs, false True, ah, okay.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I played quarterback right when he left.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I backed him up my freshman year and played right when he left at Central Washington University, the harbor to the West Coast, which many people don't know except for me.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: I'm the only one that knows that.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Tell me the last book you read Wanting by Luke Burgess.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, tell me your favorite comedy movie.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, that's gotta be, that's gotta be.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Please, the Blues Brothers, here we go.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, what would be one song that you listen to that the 120 members of the roundtables would not?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Would be like what, Tom, you listen to that song.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be Van Morrison, the Ancient Highway.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: If you were to book a vacation right now where you and Katie going, just you two, Just us two we would go.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: We would go to.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: We'd probably go back to Italy.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: So I've been to Venice once.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Fantastic yeah, if you were.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: If I was to come to your house for dinner tonight, what would I be served in the Cosmic Household?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: You'd be served probably a surf and turf salmon and salmon like you've never had salmon.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: There you go and a real Midwest steak.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: The old 96er from Great Outdoors.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Don't forget to tap in the gristle.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: If there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: You're the lucky one, love it.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, now, tom, you're the lucky one is blown up Barnes, noble, every bookstore, amazon, it's everywhere airports people can't.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: People can't stop reading this thing.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: And then Hollywood's hearing about it.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Now they're gonna make a movie out of it and you're the casting director.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I need to know who is going to star you in this critically acclaimed new hot Hollywood movie.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Is it Ryan Gossage?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Is he the one that's on?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Gosnell, gosnell.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a hot looking young man.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there we go.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: We found him All right.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: And the last question tell me two words that describe Katie Fantastic lovingly.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: There we go, the lightning rounds over.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: We both kind of giggled we'll call it a tie, but I'm so grateful for the hour and change you spent with us.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I learned so much about you and your family.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for others to learn more about you.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Hopefully this brings you closer to your clients and friends and community.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I wanna say thanks again to Latitude Sica for your continued support.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: I was able to go up there in June and spend time with actually some of my friends at GDH and TaylorMade went up there and friends of Brighton Jones went up there and had a fantastic time.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: It's an island in sick Alaska.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: If you wanna check it out, take your company up there, take your buddies up there, do a retreat.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: It's really, really cool.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: It'll be linked in the show notes as well, but, tom, this has been a blast man.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you again so much for sharing some time with us on the quarterback.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Dad cast and I know we'll be talking soon.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Great.