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NFL Week 5 DFS Takedown Breakdown | October 6, 2025 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems, go clear your lift.
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  Speaker 2: What's up everyone? Tyler Tambaline here aka Totec and Tambo
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  Speaker 2: back for another edition of the Takedown Breakdown here on
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  Speaker 2: the ship Nation YouTube station with my guy Naids. As usual,
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  Speaker 2: we will have another member from ship a Nation and
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  Speaker 2: DFS mastermind Project Kyle at Go collect those who know
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  Speaker 2: him in the discord. He'll be joining us at the
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  Speaker 2: halfway point breaking down his single entry and some thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on the Week five slate. But Naids and I will
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  Speaker 2: go through it as as usual. We'll talk through the
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  Speaker 2: perfect lineup, We'll look at the twenty dollars million maker winner,
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about a heavily owned chalk week that got
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  Speaker 2: there and go through some of the thought process around that.
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  Speaker 2: But name's what's going on. Man, Another another week in
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  Speaker 2: the books. But we we still got Monday night. If
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  Speaker 2: you haven't got there yet, I'll be. I'll be counting
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  Speaker 2: on Monday night with Kansas City at Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no hashtag never mahomes until you do right until
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  Speaker 3: a showdown slate, the famous famous Tambo liners there, So
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to that show. You always have good angles
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  Speaker 3: in on on games like this with the Chiefs right word,
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  Speaker 3: so so it spread out things like that. Overall, I
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  Speaker 3: had probably my best Sunday of the of the season
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  Speaker 3: so far, cashing on a five fifty five ticket. Finally,
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  Speaker 3: it's about time I cash in on a on a
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  Speaker 3: dang satellite entry.
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  Speaker 4: But h yeah, it was. It was a pretty chalk week.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't quite fully get there because I just never
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  Speaker 3: build completely chalk lineups and just have one one spot
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  Speaker 3: really or or two spots. I like to have three,
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  Speaker 3: three or four, right, which we can talk about that
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  Speaker 3: as well when we when we break it down. And
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  Speaker 3: I just like when I'm up against the field right
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  Speaker 3: that has one hundred and fifty or anybody right, when
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  Speaker 3: you're up against the field that other people have one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty in this and the fields are still large,
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  Speaker 3: I mean you got to still beat fifty five hundred
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  Speaker 3: people right in a five to fifty five. You have
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  Speaker 3: to I just like more avenues for leverage in that.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll do our best to talk through that. But overall,
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  Speaker 3: pretty pretty solid Sunday and are the nation crushed again?
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  Speaker 4: Shove up the sweet boy?
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  Speaker 3: When in one hundred and ten thousand many Ultimore Kenny
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  Speaker 3: Kenny got on the on the winners for a nice
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  Speaker 3: four X for one hundred grand in his pocket. Many
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  Speaker 3: other members crushed as well, and we're gonna we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: talk about the tools on why so many members crush
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  Speaker 3: weekend and week out.
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  Speaker 4: We just looked at the stack ranks again.
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  Speaker 3: If you stick to the top ten, you pretty much
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  Speaker 3: can build all teams that are right there to put
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  Speaker 3: you in position as long as you follow everything else
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  Speaker 3: right that you talk about and we talk about over
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  Speaker 3: at Shipping Nation in the discord at DFS Mastermind on
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  Speaker 3: the shows right in terms of roster construction, building good teams,
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  Speaker 3: you would have had a pretty good Sunday in general.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't talk about it enough. We go through
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  Speaker 2: the stuff week after week, but like, man, what a
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  Speaker 2: week for the nation as a whole. Like again, a
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  Speaker 2: back to back one hundred k weeks. Now, last week
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  Speaker 2: we had our guy Jay walkin. This week, sweet boy
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  Speaker 2: Eden Cohen, he's up there, our other guy Kevin up
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  Speaker 2: there right behind him for ten K. We had Kenny
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  Speaker 2: go for ninety six K. Doesn't matter your buying soo
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  Speaker 2: look like Taco Todd shipped both after duon slates on
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  Speaker 2: both sites. Three hundred and one to fifty. But for
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  Speaker 2: his bank roll, that's a huge ROI return investment. So
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  Speaker 2: you got that. We had MMA. We had twenty K,
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  Speaker 2: eight K, six hundred plus, we had all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: scores in MMA. We had Hamhock and the crew just
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  Speaker 2: crush it over in college football, and so forty k
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  Speaker 2: there a first time or for one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: five eighty two hundred off of like one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighty eight bucks, just a ton of different stuff said,
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  Speaker 2: went to your slave plan, picked what they said, filled
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  Speaker 2: in two more spots with your projections. Bam. And so
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  Speaker 2: can't tell you guys enough. If you want to get
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  Speaker 2: five days for just nineteen dollars. Check it out starting
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  Speaker 2: with tonight, but going to that stuff days before we
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  Speaker 2: get to the perfect lineup like this was just a
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  Speaker 2: prime example our stack rankings from yesterday. Again, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people were on justin Field, so we knew that
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  Speaker 2: one Mason Taylor only four percent owned JSN pretty much
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  Speaker 2: needed right. You'll see him on every winning lineup. You
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  Speaker 2: can put him across from Mcbukah. You had ferguson DAK
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  Speaker 2: crushed it. If you weren't on Daniel Jones, Stacks or
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  Speaker 2: Warren who had a good game, you could play Jonathan Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: who will talk about in a second. With the tools
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  Speaker 2: as well, So lots of different things you would see
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  Speaker 2: just in the top are to help you build a
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  Speaker 2: single entry. And then you're thinking about defense. Play the
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  Speaker 2: Saints against Jackson Dart down to the bottom, play the
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  Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts versus Geno Smith down at the bottom, like
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  Speaker 2: tons of different ways that you could fill it out
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  Speaker 2: just using the tools that we have here. But we'll
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  Speaker 2: go to the stone in a bit. I want to
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  Speaker 2: show that off. But let's get to the perfect lineup first.
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  Speaker 2: And it is one week NADS where the winner of
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  Speaker 2: the twenty dollars Milli Maker had almost two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty points and the optimals two sixty eight with the
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  Speaker 2: majority spend. Most people aren't get to aj Barner and
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  Speaker 2: Krosskey Merrit Bill, but just in general, it was a
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  Speaker 2: pretty chalk week. The way the pricing set up, you
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  Speaker 2: just had to build it out. I think the twenty
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  Speaker 2: dollars Milli Maker really built a pretty interesting version of
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  Speaker 2: it and got to the top. So congrats to them.
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  Speaker 2: But what's your thoughts here on this winning lineup being
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  Speaker 2: Darnold Jackson, Smith and Jigba Barner with the runback in Igbuca.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of has like a pretty good setup to
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  Speaker 2: the lineup overall, even for an optimal.
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  Speaker 3: Overall I think, right, what did we know or what
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  Speaker 3: did everyone think they know going into the slate yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: While the Dallas Jets game can't Miss game, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to see a lot of pieces from that game come
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  Speaker 3: into winning lineups, right, But if you weren't going to
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  Speaker 3: that game, right, you guys talked about on leverage Lane
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  Speaker 3: looking for other game environments that have the potential to shootout. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I mean the Tampa bay is down their entire team basically, right,
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  Speaker 3: Mike Evans is out, all of these other wide receivers
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  Speaker 3: are out at BUKA is still a hashtag good right
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  Speaker 3: and wide receiver quarterback matchups this and that. People want
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  Speaker 3: to still try and make those work. This guy's good
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  Speaker 3: at football, Baker knows he's good at football. Baker's gonna
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  Speaker 3: throw him the ball, right, And it also leverages the
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  Speaker 3: George Pickens for three hundred dollars more things like that,
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  Speaker 3: so you could have got to a build like this
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  Speaker 3: and using our tools, right, Donald was number two right
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  Speaker 3: behind fields if you weren't going to that game right,
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  Speaker 3: going to another game environment that can pick up and
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  Speaker 3: pace and go back and forth. It was a close spread.
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  Speaker 3: It was good weather, weather game and everything like that.
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  Speaker 3: And the other side had pieces were when we go
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  Speaker 3: to the stone, you look at jaysense optimal right, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: by far the best optimal rate on the slate for
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  Speaker 3: a wide receiver. And he wasn't fifty percent on he
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  Speaker 3: was in the twenties, right, So it's not like he's
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  Speaker 3: massive chalk.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's playing this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Eighty percent of the field is still not playing him, right,
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  Speaker 3: So how do you play him differently? While you add
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  Speaker 3: his quarterback who's sub one percent on right, and then
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  Speaker 3: leave out the JCM right and the AJ Barnard. There's
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  Speaker 3: other plays that you could have got there, Like you
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  Speaker 3: could have put in Taylor right from the Jets as
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  Speaker 3: a onesie position from the chalk game when you know
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  Speaker 3: Ferguson on the other side of that game is going
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  Speaker 3: to be the chalk there, so and you still would
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  Speaker 3: have had a good good run. But other than that,
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  Speaker 3: I mean the lineup's really good. Jonathan Taylor by far
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  Speaker 3: the best player on the site. Will show that again
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  Speaker 3: on the stone too, and he actually came in half
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  Speaker 3: the ownership of guys like a Chan and that in
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  Speaker 3: a similar price tier up up at the top could
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  Speaker 3: compaired him with the coach defense to get off of
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  Speaker 3: the chalk Saint Steves. But overall, I mean, pretty pretty
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  Speaker 3: solid build, and we're gonna see a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: plays show up in all the winning teams because most
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  Speaker 3: of them were owned. You needed basically one or two
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  Speaker 3: pivots yesterday, and that's like where Egbuca came in Jamar
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  Speaker 3: Chase at ten percent on a slate where you had
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  Speaker 3: a ton of salary when people wanted to play guys
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  Speaker 3: like Ricododo and that when they were spending down at
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  Speaker 3: running back Ricodado, Rashot White, punting, tight end things like that.
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  Speaker 3: So overall, pretty pretty solid build in general, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, And we're gonna pull that up here, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, well, we'll be able to look at it
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  Speaker 2: in a second. But just going back, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: this one for a second, it's like I said, the
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  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase thing, shout out to my guy Alex had
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  Speaker 2: that one on leverage lane. The Browning doubles were getting
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  Speaker 2: shot on until they weren't. He he just needed to
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  Speaker 2: play more than half a quarter or one quarter when
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  Speaker 2: it kind of all came together for him. The first
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  Speaker 2: three not much there, but in general, you know you
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  Speaker 2: see this sometimes, but on a on a really heavy
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  Speaker 2: chalk week, this starts to make a ton more sense,
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  Speaker 2: where you could just move a couple little pieces around
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  Speaker 2: still have a pretty good score, but you didn't have
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  Speaker 2: much room to budge when the most popular defense, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the best receiver, the best running back on this, the
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  Speaker 2: best value running back and all that, and people say,
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  Speaker 2: how do you say best? How do you know this?
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  Speaker 2: It's you know that we always talk about this. We
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  Speaker 2: are not results oriented when it comes to this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We always back it up, we talk about it. We
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  Speaker 2: just showed you our stack rankings. If JSM was as
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  Speaker 2: good as he was, why couldn't a two percent. I know,
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  Speaker 2: our guy Sean Sullivan, he was talking all week that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be his lane that he's playing. And it didn't fully
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  Speaker 2: work out with Cup. But I'm saying you can get
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  Speaker 2: things from this to build around it, and I'll go
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  Speaker 2: to the stone because this is where I think people
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  Speaker 2: still struggle, and we want people, especially our members, but
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  Speaker 2: if you're not a member, we want you to join
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  Speaker 2: and know that these tools are going to put you
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  Speaker 2: in the position to be able to have these outcomes.
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  Speaker 2: We've had back to back one hundred K winners in
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  Speaker 2: the last two weeks. We've had a ton of other
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  Speaker 2: wins beyond that across all sports, and the stone is
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  Speaker 2: available on every sport we offer, all eight major sports.
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  Speaker 2: This is a huge piece of how you get to work.
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  Speaker 2: Because someone says, well, I wasn't sure on Jonathan Taylor
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  Speaker 2: versus a Chan, only there was a place we could
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  Speaker 2: go and look and find out. Here's the thing. A
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  Speaker 2: Chan twenty four percent to be optimal with our projections,
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  Speaker 2: our ownership, the slight at hand, our simulations, all of that,
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  Speaker 2: but pushing thirty and we knew he was steaming up
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  Speaker 2: in other places by the way waddle right there and
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  Speaker 2: a much lower ownership was still a really solid optimal
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  Speaker 2: rate at the wide receiver position. Jonathan Taylor almost thirty
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  Speaker 2: percent to be optimal, the best props at home, great
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  Speaker 2: matchup twenty seven points. He ended up coming in I
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  Speaker 2: think at twenty three we were off on the ownership slightly,
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  Speaker 2: but just to be clear, if he was not likely
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  Speaker 2: to get over thirty, he was gonna, if anything, probably
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  Speaker 2: get steamed, probably moonwalk a little bit while other guys
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  Speaker 2: got steamed. That's where you could easily find the seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred bucks on the slate and play JT over a
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  Speaker 2: chan if you were deciding it. Rico Daudell at forty
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  Speaker 2: three hundred almost a thirteen percent optimal rate. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: down here where we at de Mercado and Carter, the
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  Speaker 2: best pivots, all this other stuff. Sure, if you're making
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  Speaker 2: a pivot, you're looking for a spot in your lineup
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  Speaker 2: by all means look for it, but a completely unknown
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  Speaker 2: situation in a different offense altogether, and it's they don't
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  Speaker 2: have those type optimal rates. So again, you don't always
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  Speaker 2: need the best optimal rate. You can't just fill it
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  Speaker 2: out perfectly all the time, but you do need to
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  Speaker 2: consider these things and see them. The reason this made
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  Speaker 2: sense look at jsn on here. Nate's twenty seven and
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  Speaker 2: a half percent still leverage, almost three points leverage. Even
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  Speaker 2: at if he was getting to twenty five percent. I
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  Speaker 2: think he got to twenty two point seven, So he
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  Speaker 2: actually ended up coming in just under this. Again, our
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  Speaker 2: ownership is pretty accurate, pretty close, but that was even
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  Speaker 2: more leverage if that was the case. And then you
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  Speaker 2: go combine it with the stack ranking is right on here,
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  Speaker 2: nine point zero seven, our second highest stack ranking on
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  Speaker 2: the slate, and you see that the quarterback is only
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  Speaker 2: three percent owned. This can outweigh this when you're putting
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  Speaker 2: them together because if this actually ceiling's out, then this
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  Speaker 2: is more likely to ceiling out. And what do you know?
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of how it happened, even though the
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  Speaker 2: Milli Maker lineup didn't have it had Justin Fields as
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  Speaker 2: opposed to him. It Justin Fields was fifty six hundred
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  Speaker 2: with twenty five point nine to two. Sam Darnold was
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  Speaker 2: fifty one hundred with thirty one point sixty four. So
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  Speaker 2: that's just another thing to see that We'll get to
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  Speaker 2: it there and I can go on forever, but just
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  Speaker 2: to note, like bris Hal popped off the page, he's
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  Speaker 2: on that winning lineup, Jake Ferguson popped off the page.
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  Speaker 2: Those two made a mini stack. You go up to
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  Speaker 2: what we talked about earlier, Waddle. If you're not playing
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  Speaker 2: a HM because you went with somebody different and could
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  Speaker 2: afford him, like a Jonathan Taylor who was better. Then
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  Speaker 2: you could put it across from Dowdell and these are
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  Speaker 2: what ended up being on the winning lineup DATEE. So
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  Speaker 2: I know everyone uses the stone differently, but it really
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  Speaker 2: is right there if you take the time to dig
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  Speaker 2: in and see that.
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  Speaker 4: No, the stone is is great.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, the designations right up at the top right,
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  Speaker 3: the pink, the purple, the teal, right in the blue,
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  Speaker 3: those are just for your eyes to have a starting place,
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  Speaker 3: right because there is so many colors. That's not the
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  Speaker 3: tel tal end All be all right because obviously there's
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  Speaker 3: no designation on the Dolphins and the Panthers game, but
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  Speaker 3: there is color coded on the actual players there. And
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  Speaker 3: then start looking at the ceilings. Okay, ceiling of Hn
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  Speaker 3: thirty four point six. Okay, ceiling of Jonathan Taylor thirty
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  Speaker 3: eight point four. Well, you know they're going to eat
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  Speaker 3: into each other, just like the Beijon situation last week.
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  Speaker 3: Right from watching shows, hearing content around the industry, looking
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  Speaker 3: at cash plays, looking at the projected ownership right and
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  Speaker 3: the pricing and the way the builds setting up right,
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  Speaker 3: taking a step further in and using a tool like this,
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  Speaker 3: crossing it over into Sabersim and then putting putting plays.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you can literally x out every player in
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  Speaker 3: saber Sim, enter in all of the players from the
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  Speaker 3: stone here that are showing good rates and color coded
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  Speaker 3: in that run teams and kind of see what that
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  Speaker 3: looks like and get a sense of the slate that
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  Speaker 3: way as well. So I mean combining the tools that
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  Speaker 3: we have here, I mean, it's not following this course,
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  Speaker 3: it's not following this slate plan. It's not following this
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  Speaker 3: player pool. Having a process built off of the tools
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  Speaker 3: that you can replicate day in and day out. I
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  Speaker 3: mean every shit slate we have. We have the stone here, right,
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  Speaker 3: So it's a repeatable process going through the stone, looking
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  Speaker 3: through it, and then crossing it over to Saber. It's
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  Speaker 3: not saying Saber gave me this, and why was I
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  Speaker 3: on this? Or why is Saber giving me so much
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  Speaker 3: a chaan while looking at this? How can I tweak
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  Speaker 3: that a little bit different to get a different roster
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  Speaker 3: construction if I'm not on him?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: While while Jalen Moadel fifteen percent optimal rate for a
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  Speaker 3: wide receiver at a three, I mean, at a position
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  Speaker 3: right where wide receiver was pretty scarce yesterday, why why
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  Speaker 3: not take a shot on that ren It leverages the
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  Speaker 3: build completely. So yeah, I mean, not much more to
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  Speaker 3: say about this tool. Obviously our members know, but if
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  Speaker 3: you're not a member yet, there's still time to get
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  Speaker 3: in now.
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  Speaker 4: And this is for every sport. I know.
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  Speaker 3: NHL is coming back here this week tomorrow. We have
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  Speaker 3: a stone like this for available. College football is another one, right,
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  Speaker 3: there's a million players for college football. The team has
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  Speaker 3: this available and it'll give you a starting point if
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  Speaker 3: college football is available.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love what you said too. But if
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  Speaker 2: you just turned everybody off and Sabers him just took
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  Speaker 2: these plays and started filling them in and then let
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  Speaker 2: Saber do the job of finding you the leverage and
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  Speaker 2: building in the leverage based on the style of tournament
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  Speaker 2: you're in and all that. But so many people are
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  Speaker 2: trying to like come up with random stuff or bake
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  Speaker 2: in different things that are already baked into the projections
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  Speaker 2: and put their own spinoffs. Like I always say, with chess,
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  Speaker 2: the pieces are the pieces, just some people know how
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  Speaker 2: to play them better. But the point is, you can't
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  Speaker 2: like make your piece worth more. You start with the
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  Speaker 2: same game, the same board, the same pieces, and then
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  Speaker 2: whoever puts them together better or plays better. That's the
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  Speaker 2: case here as well. Can you do me a favor?
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  Speaker 2: So the twenty dollars million maker lineup, let's read it
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  Speaker 2: off for a second, just in pairs, like I know
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: for sure. I talked with Mayo and Squirrel Patrol on
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Friday about this, and I said, most people with fields
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: lineups will be looking to exclude Breese Hall and play Wilson,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: and for good reason, I'm gonna use the stone for
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: this exercise, But I said, you could play Fields and
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: Breeshall is a block the most optimal quarterback, one of
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the most optimal in the five k range at least
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: end up there in general twenty two and a half.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: And then Ferguson one of the most optimal here. And
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I know people get caught up on like, but he's
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: negative leverage. It's it's so close. And it's also twenty percent.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: What other tight end do you have a twenty percent
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: almost nineteen and a half percent. Let's see, you got
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: McBride who costs one thousand bucks more, and you've got
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: where is our guy from Indie Warren is the other one,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: but Warren was definitely even higher. So when you're thinking
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: about the game stack and how you're putting it together.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Plus if you were playing Jonathan Taylor, who I'm for
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: sure playing in this spot, I'm not necessarily going there together.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: But let's just go with the lineup. So its fields
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: haul just to show off, he's all in green, two
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: nades all listed as cash consideration. That's how good of
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: plays these are that you could literally play them in cash.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: So those three for sure the obvious ones. What's the
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: next one?
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  Speaker 4: There's a secondary stack egbuka jsn.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Okay jsn right there, egbuka right there, right, same type
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: of thing. So again nine point eight not the highest,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: but if you were looking for a secondary stack, and
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: then one that would have at least a little bit
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: in there in blue if you go up to the
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: top and the blue high upside. Well we saw that
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yesterdray and it felt like it could have been even more,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: but he had a killer game, so he fits in there.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: What's the next secondary stack? Ric o'dowdo Jalen Waddle already
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: talked about that one, but rico'doudel right up there, cash
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: consideration and boom a second high up side, which is
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: is more like a leverage. It's just saying, look, he's
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: not gonna be twenty five percent or thirty percent or
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: whatever that might be. If you look in that line
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of Wattle was twelve point eight percent. We had him
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: at twelve point nine, off by point one. So again
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: ownership matters. And then it had Jonathan Taylor.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Correct yep, Taylor.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Running back and cash consideration. And I don't think we
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: color code the DS. That's one thing to note, but
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: just the obvious it sucks that like the chalk D smashed.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I know it hurt us in some places. I don't
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: typically play as much of a chalk D. But just
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: of note, they were the most optimal on the slate.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: So just to put it all together and all the pieces,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: it was all right there. If you literally just put
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the stone up on one screen, put Saber Simmer. What
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: other optimizer you have, but Saber does the best job
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of giving you. Even with the core plan of giving
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: you Saber score and factoring in the field size and
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the levers you would need to pull, you could literally
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: just exclude all your players, fill in all the optimals
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and the color codeds and then let it put lineups
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: together for you, and I guarantee you'd be in a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: better position than if you didn't do that. So to
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: each their own, do what you want to do with it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just noting it. You can use this for showdown,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you can use it for whatever you want to use
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: it for. But that's just to show you the twenty
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: dollars million Maker lineup was right there. Did you have
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: any other thoughts needs on that twenty dollars million Maker lineup?
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I know in the end it was a pretty chalky build,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: but when you think about how the pieces got put together,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Fields Haul Ferguson a different way to play it. No Pickens,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: no Wilson, you see that Egbuka and JSN two upside
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: guys where you might not need their quarterbacks. In this case.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: JSN could have worked with Donald and did Donald had
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: thirty one point sixty four, but then JT. Dowdle with
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Waddle Saints. I mean, just a really nice lineup overall
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: that got to the top.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing that, yeah, the ownership is up there,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: but people are like, oh, he played all the chalk, Yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: but he didn't the ownership not all ownership is equal.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: The ownership that you're seeing here is obviously across a
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: field size of one hundred and ninety two what is
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the milli maker one hundred and eight hundred ninety thousand entrants? Right,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: That ownership is going to cross the entire portfolio. Right,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: So when you're taking the ownership, there's a lot of
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: bad lineups.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: You talk about this all the time, right, that ownership
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: isn't not not all ownership is equal.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: You were realizing that there's one or two pivot spots
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of times in a chalk smash type week.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: That is the difference from getting to the top to
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: min cashing, right, And that's it's not pulling this lever,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: that lever this level.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: You only really need to pull one or two levers
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: if the rest of your build makes sense in a
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: way that you're playing the chalk in the games like
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you talked about, right, like the wattle right, situations like
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: that and overall roster construction. And then another point too
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: is the stone like I talked about, you could literally
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: just put all the highlighted guys in the stone into sabersim,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: leave all the quarterbacks in just because right, the quarterbacks.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Don't don't worry about touching the quarterbacks in the stone.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: If you wanted to, you could but leave all the
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks and just fill in the skill position players with
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the with the highlighted guys and let Saber just decide
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: on what quarterbacks it's going to pull based on your pool.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: It's naturally going to pull in the guys that are
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: attached to the players that have color corded, color coded,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: and and that's how you build a player pool, right.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I know there's a hundreds of players on a Sunday
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: main slate, and if you just stick to these color
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: coded I mean, I don't think there's one guy that
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: is missed in any winning lineup. That's not how it
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a color coordinated designation on the stone here,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and that's how you kind of start and then you
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: can make your tweets and go further from there.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: So I didn't want to call that out.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for Tea Trizzle here says so the Saber Starter
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: package doesn't give you the same as Core, it gives
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you more. The difference is if you go to sabersim
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: dot com. We're partners with them, but it's very clear
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: if you go to sabersim dot com and just use Sabersim,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you don't get all the ship at Nation content, the Stone,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the Discord, ship at games, et cetera, et cetera. But
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: they only offer Starter and Ultimate. Starter is better than Core.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Saber was amazing and said, you know what, you guys,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: we want you to have this plan. We want you
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to be able to give some of your grandfathered members
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: a different plan or people that want to get in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and just try it out. An option we're going to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: create Core, and Core is simple. It's one hundred and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: fifty lineups with late swap and so you can get
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: You don't get portfolio diversification, you don't get contest flashback,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you don't get the additional projections and ownership from Saber,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: which is also including other sports that we don't cover. So,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: as you see on the screen when you go to
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the Starter plan and it's one thirty nine a month,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: but you can get your first month for ninety seven
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: dollars the exact same price. To try out sabersim dot com.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: You can go to ship at Nation dot com, go
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to join the Nation. It's in partnership with them in
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: conjunction with the partnership to get your first month for
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the same price, to see what ship a nation offers
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and be able to use all these tools. You get
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the five hundred total lineups. You still get the late swap,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: you get portfolio diversification, You get the extra projection sets
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: for the the AM only, the PM only, the showdown
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: slates that aren't featured, all of that, and then you
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: also get contest flashbacks so you can look into things
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit further. And then obviously the Ultimate is
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: if you want the contest sims. But this is a
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: key factor in our guy new Ones who's coming on
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: here in a couple of weeks said Starter is great.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I just switched to Ultimate. But Starter is what most
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: people need. Ultimate should wait until you're putting up enough
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: money to make the investment logical. Everyone's situation is different,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and I agree. I can't say this enough. I think
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you got to be playing like for me, it's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: concept of like, I don't know, four thousand a month,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: let's say a thousand a week or so. If you're
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: playing that kind of money in multiple slates and multiple
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: sports and all that, then I think treat dfs like
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a business. The cost of three hundred bucks a month,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: give or take to get the ultimate plan is not
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: gonna hurt you in the sense of putting in four
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: grand to five grand a month. It might actually put
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you in a much better position. And that's where New
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Ones is at. Now, going away from this for a second,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: get back to it needs and we'll pull up more
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: in a second. But Rashid Shahed, they talked about just
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: being a week early on him. That one hurt too.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: We had him with James Cook, who's another story by
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the way, but we had him with James Cook last week.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Shahed came out and had himself a really big week
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: this week again a high upside guy and most certainly
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: came through again. With those color codes. You would find
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: him in the pool.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: He would be there.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I just went through another exercise too, the color coded
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks too, to take it even a step further.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I was talking about the playerpool. C J.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Stroud color coded on the stone, high upside. He's one
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of the top five scoring quarterbacks on the entire slate
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in general. Dak Prescott color coded, justin Fields color coded
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: all in the top five in general.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't have Sam Donold who is the highest.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: But guess what we had Baker Mayfield on the other side,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: also a top five scorer on the slate in general.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Right, So you could if you really wanted.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: To try it out in a twenty max or in
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: an MMM set and really leverage the stone, take the
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: color coordinated designations. After right, the editor and team that
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: takes the channel that Hey, Stone and projections are final
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: for Sunday main slate about an hour and a half
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: before lock.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Put these eyes all in.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Put it in the Saber, sam run teams, run builds,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: take a look at what those kind of builds are
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: looking like, and then you can extrapolate it out. Okay,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: the tool itself is combining these guys with this guy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: So if you kind of section it down into a
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: single entry build or something like that, right, you can
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: kind of see the combinations of good plays that have
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: data and metrics behind them that you're not just pulling
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: or listening to this guy.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: He told me to play him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: This guy told me to play him, right, the whole
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: information overload, right, listening to all the shows that around
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: the industry that is all baked into the tool behind
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the scenes and a lot of work goes into putting
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: this sown out every single week.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: So I can't stress that enough.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: If you just do that, just try it and start
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: building a process that way and see how it works.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Give it a week, give it two weeks, right, take
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: a look at it, tweak it from there. As a foundation, right,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: you can't build a house without a foundation.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I can't recommend enough. Right, Just
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you got to just use it as your foundation, use
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: it as a starting point, especially for those that aren't
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: finding success or even finding themselves. Get close. It's a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: way to get yourself a lot closer and take some
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of the guests work out of it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We talk about that a ton. I did send the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: link to go collect. We'll talk to him here in
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: just a minute. I was just trying to see one
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: more thing I wanted to check it out for. It's
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: already been updated, I think, yeah, it was updated from
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: yesterday already. But yeah, last night was the same thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people in the chat were
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: talking about the discord. You know, we're chatting about how
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: did people get to Curtis Samuel and he was the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: second best points per dollar in the projections at shipping Nation,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and then we also had Ray Davis who didn't actually
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: do anything or get there, but people were worried about
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: him coming out, and if he had a got in
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: on either of those tries he got, it could have
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: been a lot better for him at just that four
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars price tag. Also, but yeah, the Samuel play
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: was pretty much needed. So there's that. Well, wait, go
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: collect should be here with us just a moment. We'll
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: get him in and then be able to go from
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: there on the next steps. Just give us one second. Okay,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: there he is, give him a second to get settled.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm also gonna pull up where was it at here?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's I just had it, So I'm gonna
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: pull this up. This is his lineup from single Entry
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: this week, and we'll bring him in. Kyle, what's going on?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You got us?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Hear you? Hear me?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, thank you so much for doing this. We
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: appreciate you, and I know you know we've had the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: pleasure of meeting before and hanging out a little bit
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: casino and whatnot at some of these events and stuff.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But excited for you to hop on here and do this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: We've had a fun time these last couple of weeks
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: with everybody jumping in and sort of sort of sharing
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: some of their process, some of their thoughts, what they're
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: learning as they go along, and wanted to sort of
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: do the same with you. Man. So you're you're a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: member at both ship at Nation and the Mastermind project.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe just start off talk a little bit about that,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: what got you into everything and sort of your thoughts
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: on everything as before we get to your actual lineup review.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, so, I mean, going way back to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: other sites I first started following you and your content.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: Your approach to content is like something that I'd never
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: seen beforehand, and just just wanting other people to learn
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: along the way, in addition to hopefully, you know, getting
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: a bank here and there. That's what makes it sustainable,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: learning how to use bank roll management and learning how
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: to leverage and roster construction, all sorts of different things
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: that you know, you touch upon on Mastermind as well
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: as a ship at Nation education courses. So just soaking
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: up all that information, trying to apply it every slate
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: and find different levers to pull and try to figure
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: out the puzzle.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, man, we love that puzzle and that's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: why you know in the in the Mastermind logo, even
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: through that in there with the brain, the light bulb
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: and other But it's just it's what you said, it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a continuous journey. We're all working on it. We're all
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: trying to get better. We're all trying to find our
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: way to the top of these tournaments. And it's a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: lot more fun when you can do it with the community.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: And that's what we've got at ship a Nation, So
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it brings everything together, puts everybody on the same page.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: We all are working towards the same common goal. And
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it's nice because then like last night, our guy Hebrew
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: cheetah Rio, you know, he didn't quite pull it off.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: You know, somebody got a solo shipper again last night.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You know, the fun and showdown this season is how
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: many solo shippers there's been, but still second place for
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: forty k and just cheering other people on along the way.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Eden Cohen sweep Boy one hundred k yesterday, Jaywalk and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: one hundred k last week. It can be any of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: us at any time, right, So I think that's kind
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: of what you're hinting at, is just part of the journey,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: is that and then being able to be there to
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: support each other.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Yep, absolutely, and just also being able to help out
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: others too who maybe have entered this little niche world
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: that we that we operate, and trying to help them
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: along the way too with things that I've learned from
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: from people who I've taught me along the way as well.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love that call, man, So let's hop into it,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Nate's I'll let you sort of run through it. We
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: got the single entry line up here, Kyle put together
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: what's your first thoughts and age? You can run through
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: and see what you see and then we'll talk about it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: But I think it's a pretty nice bill actually on paper,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and it just again one that didn't fully come through,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: but certainly something that I liked, especially in single entry yesterday.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, a great build.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I had the exact same build as my main team yesterday,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: the exact same set up there, so I can talk
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: through it probably very similar to how you thought through it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I mean we landed on the exact same build there.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I knew a way to play right, Shout out to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: leverage lane, Shout out to that show. Shout out to you, Tambo,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and you can use the stone for that too. As well,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: right to see kind of the lane. I'm sure that's
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: where you're obviously pulling that from.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand these games differently, how to relate
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: it back to the tools, right, instead of just kind
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: of guessing. The Dak Prescott way was a way to
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: play that game differently, and guess what, Dak Prescott is
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: still all the shit people want to talk about him.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: He still throws the ball aton, He's still good for
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: fantasy quarter He's still a good fantasy quarterback. Right, And
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: they're down ceed Land, they're down weapons, right, So it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: more condensed offense there. People were trying to guess and
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: make Tolbert and all of this stuff work. Well, guess
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: what you need a Florinoid, not Tolbert, things like that.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So going in on that game differently, setting it up right,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I always double stack Dak Pickens Ferguson because I knew
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Ferguson was gonna get held in check because of McBride
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and Tyler Warren. I'm very similar to probably what go
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: collect was seeing as well.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to run it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Back with the most popular wide receiver on slate and
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson leveraged out a little bit with Brees Hall,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: who is very good Optimal right, everything there, there was
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: no way I wasn't playing Jonathan Taylor, which we already
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: talked about there using the stone. You look at him,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I mean it's bright green green as it can get
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: on the stone, it just jumps off the page. I
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: knew his ownership was also going to get held in
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: check because of the guys like Hn and the cheap
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: running backs. Right, you can only play it at max
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: three running backs in the build, so not everybody can
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: be forty percent owned.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Somebody has to moonwalk while other guys are steaming up.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: So I like that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: And then the secondary stack, I knew it was pretty chalky,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: but for like a single entry type build the Rashad
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: White and JSN right, another one Jayson flew off the
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: page and Optimal right, I'm sure you saw that go
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: collect on the stone as well. And one I was leveraging,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: leveraging Tyler Warren at the tight end position right like
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: you were here with the Ferguson.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: You already knew that well in that exact same game.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: As a secondary correlation to a Jonathan Taylor, you're not
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: playing Jacobe Myers, who was the chalk You're playing Trey
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Tucker at the exact same salary as a Tyler Warren,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: and you're saying, if Tyler Warren's not getting there, maybe
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: it's because Jonathan Taylor is.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Eating the end zone and eating all of those.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Touchdowns, which it definitely was, which in turn makes the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas offense have to throw. And you're not using
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the chalk piece in that build, You're using a Trey Tucker.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: So it's still the it's a different position, but as
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: a onesie position. I like the point that Alex made
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: on the Saturday show, Right, you got to look at
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: all of these guys as the flex because you can
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: play them all in the flex. So technically, at a
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: onesie position you could play two tight ends, right, you
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: can play three four wide receivers. So when you're looking
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: at that, it is a one B one swap in
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: my opinion, as forty seven hundred dollars Tyler Warren, you're
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: leveraging with Taylor going to a trade Tucker on the
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: other side at the same exact price point in a
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: similar type roster setup from a construction standpoint, So overall,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I think the build is is really good just to
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: get all the way to the top, and you were
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: put in a position to do so yeah, yeah, talk.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: About it a little bit, Kyle. It's your build too,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: so like, yeah, just maybe break down. But I see
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: what you did with obviously the the stacking, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the Jonathan Taylor play and then it's you know, some
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: secondary stack with him with Tucker White, with JSN. Sort
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of break it down for us what you were seeing
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: when you were putting it together.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Sure.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: So, like Nate' hinted that, I was looking at the
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: stone to optimal rate. It's one of the big things
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: that I look at for single entry because I want
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: to if I'm going to be investing salary into ownership,
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: I want to make sure that it's it's gonna give
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: me the highest it has the highest chance of getting
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: to optimal and uh, you know that's where that's where
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: I got JSN. And I wanted to bring back something
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: from that game because I had I had a feeling
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: that the Buccaneers were going to compete in that game
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: with all the injuries with Evans and Irving, I thought
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: that they were going to be more concentrated offense against Seattle.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: So rush and then White was was just somebody who
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: I threw in it. He was obviously looking good. I
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: was debating between Rashad White and ric o'doubele, so I
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: was kinda I'm not gonna be results results oriented here,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: but but yeah, that was that was my biggest conundrum
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: when I was finishing out that lineup, because I had
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: I had the double stack with Dak with there saw
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: that game was obviously looking like it was just gonna
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: go off with those defenses, and it's just a matter
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: of trying to find the right pieces that hit. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: I thought that I was hoping to get more from Pickens,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: but it didn't work out that way. So and then
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Trey Tucker, he was a low and separator that I
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: got as a run back from Jason or Jonathan Taylor.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Taylor looked like the best play on the slate with
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: that optimal rate, and so I couldn't get up to
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: the Colts defense for this lineup, so I wanted to
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: get a run back from that offense since the Raiders
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: had about a twenty point total, I believe, and so yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: and then the Panthers defense, I figured, if I'm playing
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: the lineup the way I was, and I didn't have
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: any a chain that I wanted to leverage that by
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: playing the Panthers defense and try to gain a little
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: bit more separation from the field since I had a
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: lot of ownership invested in JSN and.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Taylor and Hall. Just Hall was just under price this week.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: He was just way too cheap for the workload he
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: was going to be getting with no Braylen Allen.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Carolina stuff too. Like that's another thing I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: always talk about when people like, you know, again, it
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: didn't work out. That's why it's the best. People like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: what do you mean it's the best. It sucks. It's like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you would want to you wanted more points,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: but it's again, it was part of the process, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: it's not results oriented to say that. Like when you're
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: not on a chan, you're not on wadle, you're not
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: going to that game or doing anything with it. If
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you land on the Carolina d that's just fine. It's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: also the way, you know, like you said, it could
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: have easily worked out where you end up going with
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Rashad White down to Doubto for four hundred bucks, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: then it kind of puts you a spot where you
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: might not really know what to spend it on because
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I was looking at it and Trey Tucker plus four
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks doesn't really put you in the position of much.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you land on Jamison Williams and leave
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: a couple hundred bucks. That was certainly possible if you
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: like that more. But I like the build the way
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you set it up, and Tucker was a really strong
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: point of leverage there with no brock bauers Meyer was
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: already ruled out earlier in the week for them, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: then you had people that there was late steam moving
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: to Jacobi Meyers and he hurt a lot of people
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: that ended up landing on him there. You probably weren't
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: likely to go with with Waddle based off of that,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Like I guess that would have been the other way
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: that you see this is if you could have went
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: if if you went away from the JSN with White,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it could have been and Tucker with Taylor, it could
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: have been Wattle and then drop down. But then you
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: probably end up I mean, it might just fit what
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: would it be the Saints d I wonder if that
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: fits you would have got three hundred So what is
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: it forty seven to fifty four? It would have been
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: damn close for you to go to Tucker Dowdell and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the Saints d from from from Tucker White and Panthers.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It looks like it could have been Saints Dowdell and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Wattle maybe, but that would have been a secondary with
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Wattle and Dowdell and then you get on the Saints d.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It would have been a really good setup even further.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: But still it's again that's everybody always says that if
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I could have done this, if I could have done that,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I would have been here. That's always easy to say
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: after the fact. The build was sound, it looks good
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: in everything that you set up. What else did you
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: play yesterday, Kyle, Like this was your single entry. It
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: seems you did you play some other stuff too, twenty
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: max or anything else like that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I did. I did the Mini Max, the one fifty.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: Not a very good week, but I needed more of
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: the chalk that went off. I wasn't overweight enough on
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: the doubles and you know the other the other pieces
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: that I wanted more and BUCA, but I didn't have
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: it in the right places.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: So I only had a few lineups.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Cracked the top thousand and you know, overall I got
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: half the entries back and then three Max. I got
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: one of three that cashed, but that was really all
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: I played this week was a single entry, three Max
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: and then one.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my biggest takeaways I guess nids and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I'll bring you in here, you know, with everything that
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Kyle just said is like the the other thing I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people think about is even if
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: they only have twenty lineups or less, they still don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: love to get to a Sam Donald, even though they
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: know that like for if JSN equals this he now
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: JSN at seventy one hundred, by the way, doesn't need
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald to go off. But like we saw it
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: with like we said, and same as Puka the week
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: before at thirty nine, he wouldn't. He doesn't necessarily always
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: need Stafford, but there is the topic and the conversation
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: of what if. And the other thing too is like
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Barner got two touchdowns yesterday, if even one of those
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: goes to Cooper Cup again, a bunch of ifs. But
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: my point being a lot more people had Donald with
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: JSN with Kupp that reminds me a lot of the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: week before with Stafford, Puka and Adams. It's like, yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: it may not go that way often, but when it does,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: it can equal a lot better. And I know the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: people that use the tools at ship a Nation and
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: saw this stuff. We're fine with Sam Darnald. But I'm
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: saying when you're seeing a guy like JSN pop off
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the page like that, when you're seeing a Puka Nakua
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: pop off the page like the previous week, you do
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: have to be thinking about what those stacks look like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: even if they feel a little bit uncomfortable. The uncomfortable
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: piece is what leaves a guy like Sam Darnald at
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: two percent, right, it's people just don't be I'll just
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: play JSN and get there. And the twenty dollars million
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: maker did get away with that. But just to note
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: it is that's kind of another thought process piece where
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: even in a smaller amount of lineups or even in
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a single entry, you can still get there with that
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: because it allows you to fill out with kind of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: everything else that you could possibly want. Just be unique.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing too, is I mean Fields was
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: fifty six hundred. You knew everybody was playing on This
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: is not results warrented. Obviously, Fields had a great day
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: tons of winning lineups in that but in a similar
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: type of roster construction build, who else is a quarterback
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: that could match or come close to the ceiling? Right,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: going back to the stone, you look at Sam Donald
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: fifty one hundred, His ceiling is twenty seven point seven,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: field ceiling is thirty right, so he's within three points
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: of field ceiling, five hundred dollars cheaper in one thirtieth
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: the ownership I mean Donald was one percent fields with
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: thirty percent right, So how you can use the tools
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: and going back and then you look at the common
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: build type right, justin Fields, Garrett Wilson, George Pickens was
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: eighteen three hundred dollars well, going to Sam Donald JSN
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: to stick to the optimal rates on the stone at
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Buka was nineteen one. It's eight hundred dollars difference. That's
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: a difference from going to one of those five k
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: running backs dropping down to like a Rico Dado as
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: your value play or Rashad White in that same game
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: something like that. Right, you can find money that way,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: so it's not like it's a four thousand dollars swap, right,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: So I like looking at things like out as well,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: on what's the common build. How can I build it
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: differently or in the same salary type range that has
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: a similar type ceiling.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: So if this then that type of thing.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many ways to get different within the build.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing. And another note too, like ed,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the one thing that I'll say about the Donald thing
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: is yes, the stack rankings show two spots with it,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. But you can also
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: sometimes just get away with just cutting it off like yesterday.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Use a prime example, our guy metro Boom nailed it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: It was so much value last week yesterday that at
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: every position that I couldn't make up my mind. Well,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: when you go Donald jsn igbuka and just stop, you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: can get away with it that way too, And then
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you could just fill in Jonathan Taylor, Breesaw, doubt or
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: whatever you kind of want to put in after that
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: point and still get a pretty damn good score without
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: going wild and putting in the cups the barners and
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: hoping to get lucky on that. Go ahead, Kyle, you
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: got something there.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: You're thinking, Yeah, I was just gonna add in because
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: a great show that you know, the leverage lane show
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: that you and Alex do. I think this one and
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: that one is probably my two favorite shows to take.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: In every week now. But just something that you.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: And Alex talked about this week's show was separators, Right,
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: we're talking like separators how and leveraging ownership a great
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: way like you and AIDS were just talking about was
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: with JSN if he's going to be twenty five percent owned,
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: throw us quarterback in two percent, easy easy, uh, separator
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: And then obviously you're leveraging the field because you got
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: if this guy goes off. You know, it's like the
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Jamar Chase effect, the aj Brown, the Hurtz effect, Like
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: you're the quarterback is gonna come with them?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what I talked about it forever. I used
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to use the Burrow Chase example a time when people
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: get so pissed off that Burrow gets there at ownership.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, Chase gets there at ownership and has thirty
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: nine points, and then they're mad that everybody got there.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, only two percent of the field had
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: had Joe Burrow, who had three of those touchdowns that
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: he threw, plus he threw another one to a backup
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: tight end or something. It's like you could have just
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: had Burrow chase a runback or nothing else and call
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the day. And that's exactly it. So you nailed that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I think you had enough separation in this lineup. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: know it just didn't work out, but it was built sound.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: But when you've got a six percent dock, a three
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: percent trade tucker, and a two percent defense against. And
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: that's the other thing too, is you know this is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: a good point, you just brught up. And I want
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to add this in. So enough levers were pulled in
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: my opinion. But also not all levers are the same, right,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And so here's an example. It's easy. It's like my
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Showdown example all the time. So I said, oh, I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: have one hundred and fifty unique lineups. I'm like, oh, really,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: let me look at your portfolio. Oh they capped everything
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: at forty K. Well, yes, when you leave ten thousand
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: dollars on the table in every single lineup in Showdown,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you're very likely to have a bunch of uniques. It
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't again, who knows that we've had a bunch of
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: solar shippers forty two K, forty four K. That's fine
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: anyway to leave money. I'm just saying doing it in
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: all of your lineups. Of course, that's a way when
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you just play a random defense on a slate that's
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: gonna be one percent owned, fine, and that would be
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a set for you, but it may just be one
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: percent for a reason. In your case, you're finding separators
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that are also leveraging other positions on the slate. Your
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: key point here in the Panthers two percent, but they're
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: going up against Tua who is now down. Tyreek has
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: not looked that good, and a Chan is going to
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: be off the page with ownership. It's a prime example
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of how you can do it. Trey Tucker, they're down Meyer,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: they're down Bowers. Now that you know Jacoby Myers is
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: steaming up, it's not the best matchup or whatnot for
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: gent even though he looked great again. It's things like
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that you're like, Okay, well, I'll just take a three percent. Tucker,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: he let some people down last week, didn't have a
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: full on great game, but he did still make sense
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: on the slate. And then Dak cuts into the Ferguson
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: cuts into the pickings. I also saw plenty of lineups
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: by the way that just did Dak Ferguson haul and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: then filled it out and they weren't going for that
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: full ceiling. I also saw lineups myself included that tried
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to add Tolbert in there, and it wasn't the worst idea.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It just happened to be a Ryan Floornoy game where
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: he gets there instead. So again, all this stuff made
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: sense with turping out and with no Lamb and all that,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: but finding levers that actually make sense to pull are
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the best case scenario. When you can get the low
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: own separator piece with leverage on top of the fact
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: that it actually makes sense on the slate as a whole,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: not just finding one percent on place for no reason. Right,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: then you want to add with that, and then we'll
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: go back to Kyle here on a couple other things,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and then we'll wrap up.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: No, not only that too, it's also you knew everybody
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: was playing the Saints D, right so in those lineups
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: where you could have fit the Saints D right, Well,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: if the Saints D doesn't get there and it's the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Panthers and it's because of a chn right now, you
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: know the chan Saints D lineups, you're double leveraging and
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: you're double jumping that separator right, going up to a
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Panthers for three hundred dollars more. It's not flipping the
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: build completely. It's still in the same kind of tier
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: of a build for the salary. So that's an additional
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: take too. So I'm glad he hit on it, because
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I did missed that breaking another thing too.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And again this didn't work out at all. The Saints
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: obviously got there and whatnot, and I get all that,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: but like the the main premise of the Saints was
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: it might be their only chance all season. They're at home.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: It is, you know, Jackson Dart, who mind you, he
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't really throw the ball a ton anyway, but like
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: obviously anything can happen, and it did turn out that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: when he decided to start throwing the ball there was
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: picks to be had, So I get that. But just
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: on the concept of twenty two hundred versus what was
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: what was Carol Anagan twenty five hundred, I think it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it's also it's against Jackson Dart, who might not be
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: that good or might be really good. He actually looked
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: fine till he didn't. But just to note they're down neighbors,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: it's what's the difference in the Panthers side. But it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: not like anybody on the Giants was super high owned
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: this week, Like Scott wasn't getting ownership, Dart wasn't getting ownership,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: won Dale, Slayton, Theo. None of those guys were getting ownership.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So that that was a way to actually leverage the
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Saints at that and it looked good until it did
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: when THEO Johnson had two touchdowns, it was like, oh shit,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: this could be a Dart Theo day. But the other
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: side of that is the Panthers were two percent versus
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: like eighteen percent. And it's at home against Tua, who
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: does throw the ball and sometimes doesn't look very good.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Who's down a top receiver in Tyreek, like the Giants
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: are down neighbors. Like, the scenario is not that much different,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: but the ownership is, you know, ten x almost in
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the other spot. It just happened to work out this time.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: But that's again going back to a Kyle where I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: love what you did there, man, Like it's again not
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: about the result always you need the result to get
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the outcome, but in the sense of how you built this,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's just more than fine.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: Honestly, Yeah, And I don't think I'll ever play a
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: fifteen percent on defense on a main slate because it's
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: just there's so much variance involved.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, it would have to be overwhelming to click
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: on that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not typical that it comes through. I will
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: note like this, what I said yesterday too, is like, again,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: at least this was the spot if you were going
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to do it. The optimal was up there for this defense.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: There really wasn't much going on the giant side outside
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: of this is more like the art versus science. Like
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Nate said, you wouldn't even have got to this, and
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: in the end you didn't need it anyway. But if
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: you were wanting to leverage this and go against that
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: sixteen percent defense, one of the ways to do it
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: was like Dart, Slayton and Shaheed. I talked about that
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: in the show. It's like, if you really want to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: hope this game bus wide open, that is a way.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Because if Shaheed gets a big bomb he did eighty
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: seven yarder, and Slayton gets a big bomb he did,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: except he decided not to catch his, then that would
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: be a case where you could see the game go
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: back and forth and really set up like if Slayton
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: catches that bomb. It is actually a whole different slate
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: because you again it would have been another one for Dart,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: another one for Slaton. It would have changed out some
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of the defense stuff. THEO already had two Shaheed on
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the other side. That's a pretty good four man stack
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: with low to no ownership. That is way more art
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: than science like that would have been. You would have
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: kind of had to get there on your own then
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: trust the stone or something like that. But that's why
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: we trust the Stone because in the end it wasn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: ended up needed. If if you got Shaheed in there by
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: all means a great option to get there. But that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: why we had those tagged as the high upside options.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: There was a play and there was a reason that
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: you get to that stuff right with THEO, with Dart,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: with with Slayton, with Chihat on the other side, that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: was just a way to get a really cheap four
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: man stack, almost in the way Sheets did it a
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, where it's like, look, we know
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: GENO with three receivers is not likely to get there
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: very often. But if they do, the rest of the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: bets in the in the lineup, if you will compare
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the lineup to a parlay. We're all set up really
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: strong across the board. With this cheap of a stack,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: you could fit everything in. You could fit Jonathan Taylor,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: you could fit Breeze Hall, you could fit whoever else
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you wanted, like, you could get away with pretty much whatever.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Kyle, any other thoughts from you before
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: we keep it moving.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: Let's let's have a good fun Monday night football slay
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: in the week on a high note.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I appreciate it also too. Just talk a
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: little bit about the Mastermind project. I know that's part
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: of this, you know set up as well. We've got
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: most people are Shiping Nation members, are Mastermind members if
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: they're in the program. But the project over at Mastermind
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: has been, you know, I think amazing for a lot
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: of different reasons. A lot of people are seeing value
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: in it and just bringing that up. But you could
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about it, being that you're
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: in it for yourself.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: As soon as soon as I was, I was signed up,
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: like the very first week that it started up, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: then I just started looking at all the videos that
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: were educational videos that were posted on there mind map
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: and behind the minds and just just just taking in
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: information and trying to process it so that I can
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: apply it to my own DFS, you know, play and
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: try to improve and try to you know, put myself
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: in a position to be successful long term and be sustainable.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think has been the most valuable for you?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: This is a list of everything that's included. Obviously, I
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: think the common thing is, like some people see that
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of videos in there. I would have
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to take forever to catch up. But the point is
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: it's all segmented out so you can kind of take
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: in exactly what you want to take in. It's at
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: your own pace. You don't pay a monthly fee or
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: anything like that. It's a one time join You're in
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: what's sort of been the most valuable to you when
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: it comes to that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: Really enjoy I mean for the beginners, I would commend
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: the mind map just to like start it off, just
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: to get like a basic understanding of the DFS and
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: and what goes into the thought process behind it before
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: you start making you know, investments into lineups and such.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: But also the roundtables. I love, I love the discussions
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: that we have about you know, what's coming up, what's
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: coming up next? You know, what are we doing next?
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: And then you know, also bouncing ideas off of other
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: members of Mastermind. You know there's some sharp people in there,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: so you know it's not just you know Tambo, you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: preaching from his little podium and telling everybody like how
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: it's done. You know, we're all in there, you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: throwing ideas and bouncing it off of one another, and oh,
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: you know some things you never think of before too.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: And then obviously like the behind the minds is.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: Is really cool too because you get a you get
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: a sneak peek into like some of what the top
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: players are thinking and how they're approaching it, and you
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: know what they're doing, you know.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: Things with that nature. So that's a nice nice layer
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: to it as well.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Man Hamhak, who helps with college football, just won another
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: forty K on the weekend. Most recent interview was with
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: him our guy Shaloub. That was the two and fifty
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  Speaker 2: K he won in baseball. He talks about his background
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: and story and history lots of different ones. M Bellman
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: is a really good one who's up there with Rio.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Last night they had the same lineup tied for second
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: in the NFL showdown streets. But a lot of those
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: things are there. I think that's just the key thing
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: to remember. So if you guys want to check it out,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: it's ship at nation dot com slash maps. You can
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: check it out there, and then you can go down
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: and see what's included. It shows you everything that you
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: need to get started. If I go back here to
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: the main page, you can see it. When you scroll down.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: You can just click I'm ready to join. It's a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: complete one time payment, or you can do three split
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: equal payments if you want to get in for less
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: than a hundred bucks and have access starting right away.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And you said it. You get the three and a
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: half hour Top ten course right away, which is some
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: of the more basic stuff benefits of an out demiser
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: how to create a player pool from scratch, final and satellites.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: This has been huge for people one to three max
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: versus MM, A lot of stuff that people struggle with.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: But then there's a little bit more advanced course than
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: another three and a half hours that you can get
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: through it. So one Saturday and you could take these
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: two courses or one weekday, whatever you want to say.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: This goes a little bit more in depth roster construction,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: GPP leverage if you're using the SIMS, the SIMS explained
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: lineup selection, not just contest selection, late swap review process,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: single entry showdown, and then a full rapid fire of
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: all the lessons learned and questions and answers that I've
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: got from bringing this project to life. So this is
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: the best way to do it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: You can get in if you have any questions, hit
• 52:38
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• 52:40
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• 52:43
  Speaker 2: game needs. Anything you want to add before we get
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: out of here.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, no, overall, not much more to add the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: mastermind course. Even myself, I've been playing DFS for fifteen years, right,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: and I still learn something every day and there I
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: still watch the videos over again and try and pick
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: up different different pieces from listening to other top players yourself.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: And the better thing is too, right.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: When you put like minded individuals together and create a
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: community where everybody feels like family. It's a closed door, right,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Everybody's free to speak up and speak their mind and
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: speak what they're thinking and whether it's astronomical off the
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: board that you think will somebody else might pull something
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: from that, and we all talk through it and learn
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: from each other. So overall, really really good. The private
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: discord is great too. You can throw anything in there.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I know we had a bunch of people in our
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: latest Q and A talking about how to use an
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: optimizer and set different rules for say a value play, right,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: and I dropped a nugget in there saying a lot
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: of these value plays that I like to tie them
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: to either of the quarterback within the game environment, right,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: so if you're boosting the projection, it doesn't kind of
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: hurt the rest of your portfolio where you get a
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: bunch of this guy tied to other game environments right
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: where where could be other value plays to pull from there?
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: So little things like that, it's great overall.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: One more thing just to chime in before we sign
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: off and mastermind.
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: Another great feature that I enjoy that I utilize a
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: lot is the podcast format that was actually suggested by
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: a member when we were in one of our roundtable
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: sessions and just being able because I'm not the type
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: of guy to really listen to the radio in the
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: car anymore. When I'm driving to work, I'm listening to
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: the content I'm listening to podcasts, so that's a great
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: way to utilize that as well.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the community controlled content is the point. That's a
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: lot of the courses that's the thing, are literally what
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: members and people said, we want more of this. We
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: don't see any of this around the industry. A lot
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: of people will spend a lot of time on YouTube
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and on chat, GBT and on googling it and whatever
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: trying to find all this information and put it together.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: It would take forever. It is literally all in one
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: place here. There's nothing else like it that exists. I
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: call it the Netflix of dfs because you can sort
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: of just go through it, but the key is putting
• 54:54
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• 55:00
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• 55:04
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• 55:07
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• 55:10
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• 55:32
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• 55:35
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• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you watching Kyle, Thanks again man so much
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: for coming on. I know people love this stuff. Hopefully
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: this will be helpful to others and then maybe we
• 56:14
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