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Stress Is Not The Enemy · The Caribbean Workplace Wellness Channel

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Intro: This podcast is brought to you by the Institute for Mental Health and Wellbeing.
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Intro: Building mentally healthy, high-performing workplaces.
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Intro: Mental health matters.
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Sarah: Right now, I mean, just at this very second, millions of people are paying thousands of dollars for uh seminars and downloading all these mindfulness apps.
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Adrian: By booking those weekend wellness retreats.
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Sarah: Yeah, exactly.
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Sarah: And they're all chasing this singular golden promise, like this idea of a completely stress-free life.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: And according to the source material we are diving into today, well, they're completely wasting their time and money.
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Adrian: They really are.
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Sarah: Because a completely stress-free human being is uh basically a dead human being.
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Adrian: Yeah, it sounds harsh, but we have fundamentally misunderstood the biology of our own bodies.
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Adrian: Totally.
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Adrian: We are entirely conditioned to use the word stress as just a synonym for sickness, like it's a bug.
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Sarah: Right, like catching a cold.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: We treat it like an infection, a pathogen we need to eradicate so we can just get back to normal.
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Sarah: Yeah.
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Adrian: But well, what we are looking at today argues that stress isn't a disease at all, and it isn't a symptom either.
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Adrian: It is a highly sophisticated uh mechanical system.
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Sarah: Which brings us to the core of this deep dive.
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Sarah: We are looking at chapter three of How to Get Control of Your Stress by Chess Moulton.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: And he's a certified stress management consultant.
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Sarah: Yeah.
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Sarah: And the founder of the Institute for Mental Health and Well-Being.
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Sarah: And Moulton, he just completely shatters this binary, you know, just get rid of it mindset.
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Adrian: He really does.
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Sarah: Trying to remove stress from your body is well, it's like trying to rip the fire alarm system out of your house just because you don't like loud noises.
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Adrian: That is a great way to put it because I mean the disruption is the entire point, right?
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Adrian: Yeah.
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Adrian: The screaming siren is super uncomfortable, but the alarm isn't the fire.
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Adrian: It is the infrastructure trying to keep your house from burning down to the ground.
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Sarah: But that creates an immediate contradiction for you listening to this.
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Adrian: Oh, for sure.
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Sarah: Like if stress is this vital life-saving infrastructure, why do we universally treat it like a sickness?
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Sarah: Why does the actual physical sensation of stress feel so unbelievably terrible?
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Adrian: So to understand the modern sensation of stress, we actually have to um strip away the modern world completely.
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Sarah: Okay, so take away the laptops.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: We have to delete the unread emails, the traffic jams, uh the looming mortgage payments, and look at the extreme primal life or death scenarios this system was actually built for.
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Sarah: Right.
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Adrian: We really need to look at raw survival mechanics.
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Sarah: Let's set the scene then, because we need to go back to the environment where this system evolved.
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Adrian: Yeah.
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Adrian: And Moulton provides some incredibly vivid examples of what this infrastructure is truly designed to handle.
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Sarah: He does.
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Sarah: Like imagine you're on a trekking holiday in Africa, right?
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Adrian: Okay.
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Sarah: You're walking through the tall grass, you step into a clearing, and suddenly, boom, you are face to face with a man eating lion.
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Adrian: Yikes.
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Adrian: Or, you know, you are exploring the outback in Australia, stepping over some rocks, and a deadly brown snake just rears its head inches from your boot.
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Sarah: Oh man, yeah.
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Sarah: Or to bring it to a colder climate, you're hiking a trail in the Canadian Rockies.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: You snap a twig, you look up, and you accidentally lock eyes with a hungry grizzly bear who has uh just decided you look like an excellent high protein option for lunch.
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Adrian: The worst case scenario.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Sarah: And in those specific, terrifying milliseconds, if you did not have a stress system, you just wouldn't survive the confrontation.
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Adrian: You wouldn't even have time to consciously process the danger, honestly.
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Adrian: The beauty of this system is that it kicks in way faster than your conscious thought.
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Sarah: Oh, really?
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Adrian: Yeah.
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Adrian: Before your internal monologue can even form the words, oh, that is a bear, a massive biological chain reaction has already begun deep inside your brain.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: But something has to act as the initial tripwire, right?
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Sarah: Like that incredibly fast motion sensor on your porch that detects the shape of the bear before the brain fully comprehends what it's looking at.
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Adrian: That tripwire is the amygdala.
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Sarah: The amygdala.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Adrian: It's this tiny almond-shaped cluster located deep within the brain's temporal lobe.
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Adrian: And its primary job is threat detection.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Adrian: So the instant your optic nerve or your auditory system fees at the raw data of, say, a snake or a lion, the amygdala fires off a devastatingly intense warning signal.
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Sarah: But uh I mean a motion sensor just detects the threat.
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Sarah: It can't actually lock the doors or turn on the floodlights by itself.
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Sarah: It has to wire that signal to a command center to actually deploy the defenses.
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Adrian: You've got it.
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Adrian: It wires straight to the hypothalamus.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Adrian: You can view the hypothalamus as the brain's supreme control center.
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Adrian: The moment it receives that panic signal from the amygdala, the hypothalamus executes like a hostile takeover of your normal bodily operations.
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Sarah: A hostile takeover.
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Adrian: Pretty much.
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Adrian: It suspends anything non-essential, like digestion, and violently hijacks your hormones, spikes your blood pressure, and physically opens up the airways in your lungs.
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Sarah: Wow.
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Sarah: So it's preparing the physical infrastructure, it's opening the lungs so we can pull in more oxygen.
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Adrian: Right.
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Sarah: It's ramping up the heart to pump blood faster.
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Sarah: But to actually confront a grizzly bear, I mean, we need more than just oxygen.
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Sarah: We need a weapon.
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Adrian: And that is exactly what happens.
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Adrian: The hypothalamus deploys a very specific chemical arsenal to arm you.
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Adrian: It immediately floods your bloodstream with adrenaline and cortisol.
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Sarah: Let's dwell on the mechanics of that chemical flood for a second because people hear the words adrenaline and cortisol thrown around in wellness blogs all the time.
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Sarah: Oh, constantly.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: But they don't really understand the sheer violence of what those chemicals actually do.
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Sarah: Adrenaline is the spark plug, right?
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Adrian: Adrenaline hits your system like a lightning bolt.
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Adrian: It forces your heart to beat harder and faster, and it aggressively routes blood away from your skin and digestive tract, pushing it directly into your major muscle groups.
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Sarah: So your limbs literally gorge with blood, so they have the raw power to move.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Sarah: And then the cortisol follows because molten highlights cortisol as the element that rapidly increases the glucose levels in your bloodstream, right?
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Adrian: Yes, cortisol signals your liver to dump its stored reserves of glucose, which is just sugar, directly into the blood.
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Adrian: Wow.
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Adrian: It is literally dumping raw combustible fuel into the engine.
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Adrian: But cortisol doesn't just fuel the muscles, it fuels the brain.
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Sarah: Wait, how does it fuel the brain?
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Adrian: Well, that massive spike in glucose gives your brain this terrifying laser-like focus.
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Adrian: Every single distraction just fades away.
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Adrian: Your pupils dilate to let in more light.
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Adrian: The result of this entire cocktail is that in a fraction of a second, your stamina skyrockets, your reaction time is drastically accelerated, and your concentration is honed exclusively on survival.
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Sarah: Okay, so we are pumped full of adrenaline, our blood is toxic with glucose from the cortisol, our lungs are wide open, our cupels are dilated, and we are staring down a multi-tonne predator.
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Adrian: You are fully armed.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: We are fully armed.
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Sarah: But this brings up a logistical problem.
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Sarah: We are armed with all this raw biological power.
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Sarah: What exactly are we supposed to do with it?
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Adrian: Well, this specific chemical rush forces a behavioral choice.
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Adrian: This entire preparation phase, you know, the amygdala's alarm, the hypothalamus taking control, the chemical flood.
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Adrian: This is a physiological state known as the sympathetic nervous system.
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Sarah: The SNS.
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Adrian: The SNS.
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Adrian: And when the sympathetic nervous system takes the wheel, you are presented with a very limited primal menu of survival options.
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Sarah: Like a drop-down menu of how not to die.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: And the first two options on that menu are famous.
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Adrian: They were actually coined way back in the 1920s by early researchers studying these life or death physiological states.
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Sarah: Oh, right.
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Sarah: Fight or flight.
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Sarah: I mean, it's a cultural catchphrase at this point.
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Adrian: It really is.
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Adrian: So let's analyze the mechanics of those two choices.
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Adrian: The first option, fight, obviously means standing your ground.
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Sarah: Right.
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Adrian: All of that newly generated strength, that adrenaline-fueled muscle density, that hyperfocused glucose, it is literally manufactured so you can physically battle the threat in front of you.
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Sarah: But logically, if we look at Moulton's examples, fighting is usually a horrific miscalculation.
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Adrian: Oh, absolutely.
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Sarah: Like if you are facing a massive Canadian grizzly bear, an animal that can literally decapitate a human being with a casual swipe of its paw, your chances of winning a physical altercation are mathematically zero.
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Sarah: Fighting the bear is suicide.
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Adrian: Which naturally defaults to the second option on the menu, flight.
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Sarah: Okay, running away.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: You beat a hasty retreat, and your unique stress system has perfectly optimized your body for this exact choice.
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Sarah: How so?
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Adrian: Well, you suddenly possess the ability to run significantly faster and longer than your baseline physical fitness would ever normally allow.
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Sarah: Well, because of the glucose.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: The SNS is aggressively feeding that massive surge of glucose to your leg muscles and maximizing the oxygen transfer in your lungs to sustain just a dead sprint.
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Sarah: Okay, so fight and flight make total sense from a mechanical standpoint.
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Sarah: Burn the fuel to destroy the threat, or burn the fuel to outrun the threat.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Sarah: But Moulton highlights a third option, doesn't he?
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Sarah: The third F, freeze.
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Adrian: The freeze response.
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Adrian: Yeah, this is an alternative survival tactic that many species employ, particularly when the odds of winning a fight or successfully outrunning the predator are basically non existent.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Adrian: Freezing is the act of blending into your surroundings.
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Adrian: It's essentially playing dead while remaining fully conscious.
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Sarah: Wait, I really struggle with this third option.
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Adrian: Why is that?
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Sarah: Well, if a grizzly bear is staring right at me, turning into a statue feels like a catastrophic glitch.
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Adrian: I get that.
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Sarah: Like we always celebrate fighting the lion or sprinting away from the snake as these active heroic responses.
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Sarah: But freezing, it just feels like my brain blew screened and gave up.
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Sarah: Why would my survival system actively choose to serve me up on a silver platter?
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Adrian: Ah, because you were assuming the predator perceives the world the exact same way you do.
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Sarah: Oh interesting.
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Adrian: You have to consider the psychology and the biology of the hunter.
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Adrian: Many predators track prey primarily through movement.
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Sarah: Oh, like a T-Rex in those movies.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: Their visual cortex is wired to detect fleeing targets.
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Adrian: By completely immobilizing yourself, locking down every muscle, holding your breath, you are actively exploiting the predator's biology.
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Sarah: So it's not a glitch at all.
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Adrian: No.
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Adrian: You are either confusing the aggressor or forcing them to lose the visual lock, which prompts them to turn their attention to something else that is moving.
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Adrian: It is not a system failure, it is a highly evolved, brilliant, tactical cloaking device.
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Sarah: Wow.
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Sarah: That completely reframes the concept of freezing.
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Sarah: It's not passive at all.
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Sarah: It's an intensely active physiological state, requiring massive energy to keep all your muscles rigidly locked.
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Adrian: Precisely.
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Sarah: And you know, if you listening right now, think about how this ancient instinct bleeds into your modern daily life.
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Sarah: It explains so much.
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Adrian: It really does.
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Sarah: Have you ever been put on the spot in a massive meeting?
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Sarah: Like a senior executive asks you a difficult question in front of 30 people, and your mind just goes entirely blank.
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Adrian: We've all been there.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: You literally cannot speak, your vocal cords tighten, you can't even shift in your chair.
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Sarah: And we usually beat ourselves up for that, thinking we are weak or incompetent.
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Adrian: But it's just your sympathetic nervous system working flawlessly.
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Sarah: Really?
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Adrian: Think about it.
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Adrian: Your amygdala perceives a threat, the harsh judgment of the crowd.
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Sarah: The boardroom lion.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: So the hopothalamus analyzes the menu.
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Adrian: Fighting the executives is a terrible career move.
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Adrian: Sprinting out of the boardroom is socially unacceptable.
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Adrian: So it brilliantly decides to deploy the cloaking device.
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Sarah: Oh wow.
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Adrian: It freezes you to blend into the boardroom until the predators look away.
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Sarah: That is wild.
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Sarah: It is your survival infrastructure executing its programming perfectly.
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Sarah: And I think this just drives home Moulton's central premise.
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Sarah: Dispensing with stress is an absurd concept.
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Sarah: Okay, sir.
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Sarah: You cannot surgically remove an integral survival mechanism.
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Sarah: It is wired into your DNA to act as your army, your support, and your shield.
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Adrian: But there is an enormous biological cost to this protection.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: Because outrunning a bear or keeping your body rigidly locked in a freeze state burns a catastrophic amount of energy.
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Adrian: Huge amounts.
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Sarah: Your body is basically redlining the engine.
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Sarah: You can't keep the RPMs in the red forever without the engine just tearing itself apart.
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Sarah: So what happens to our physiological state when we finally reach safety?
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Adrian: The Come-down.
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Adrian: And Moulton makes a very critical distinction here.
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Adrian: The sympathetic nervous system is for acute emergencies only.
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Adrian: It is a temporary override.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Adrian: We're absolutely not meant to sustain that chemical rush.
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Adrian: Waiting quietly in the wings is the second equally vital half of this infrastructure, the parasympathetic nervous system.
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Sarah: And Moulton uses a much more approachable term for this, right?
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Sarah: He calls it the rest and digest system or the RDS.
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Adrian: The RDS, yeah.
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Adrian: And the mechanics of recovery are just as sophisticated and just as aggressive as the alarm system itself.
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Sarah: How does it kick in?
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Adrian: Well, as soon as the perceived danger vanishes, like you make it back to your car, or the bear loses interest and wanders off, the RDS takes command.
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Sarah: But how does it actually scrub the system clean?
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Sarah: Because we have a bloodstream that is currently toxic with glucose and cortisol.
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Adrian: It initiates a massive reversal protocol.
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Adrian: The RDS steps in and forces the heart rate to slow down.
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Adrian: It constricts the pupils, it reroutes blood flow back to the digestive tract and the skin.
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Sarah: Okay, so undoing everything the SNS just did.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: And crucially, it initiates the metabolic processes that sweep up the excess cortisol and adrenaline, actively reducing their levels in the blood.
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Adrian: It brings the entire biological theater back to a sustainable, balanced state of calm.
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Sarah: I love that.
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Sarah: It's like if the SNS is a wild high-energy rock concert with pyrotechnics, blinding lights, and screaming fans, the RDS is the cleanup crew coming into the stadium at three in the morning.
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Sarah: They sweep the floors, power down the amps, turn off the floodlights, and lock the doors so the venue can reset for the next day.
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Adrian: That is a perfect analogy.
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Adrian: And that cycle is the definition of a healthy human nervous system.
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Adrian: The SNS takes charge to protect you, then hands control to the RDS to unwind.
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Sarah: Protect, then unwind.
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Adrian: Yes, protect, then unwind.
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Adrian: A continuous, beautiful rhythm.
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Sarah: But wait, I have a question on behalf of the listener here.
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Sarah: Sure.
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Sarah: If our bodies come equipped with this magical biological cleanup crew, this rest and digest system that perfectly restores our baseline, why does the person listening to this feel completely exhausted all the time?
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Sarah: Like why do you wake up on a Tuesday already feeling worn out?
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Sarah: The stadium isn't getting clean, the lights are still blinding, the floors are still trash, and it feels like the cleanup crew never even showed up for work.
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Adrian: This contradiction is probably the most important revelation of the deep dive today.
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Adrian: And it is the crux of Moulton's entire thesis.
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Speaker: Okay.
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Adrian: The reason you feel exhausted, the reason the system feels like a punishment rather than a protection, is because we are actually dealing with two entirely separate classifications of stress in the modern era.
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Sarah: Let's draw that line then, because I think this is where people get confused.
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Adrian: Right.
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Adrian: Moulton categorizes this as P stress versus N stress.
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Sarah: Okay.
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Adrian: Everything we have discussed so far, the motion sensor amygdala, the adrenaline flood, the fight or flight, and the RDS sweeping up the mess afterward, that entire natural life-saving arc is what he calls positive stress.
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Adrian: P- stress.
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Sarah: P- stress is the ally.
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Sarah: It is our army.
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Sarah: We cannot eradicate pea stress.
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Sarah: And if we were to face down a grizzly bear, we would pray for our pea stress to kick in instantly.
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: Because it resolves.
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Adrian: The threat appears, the system spikes, the threat leaves, the system rusts.
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Sarah: Right.
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Adrian: But then we have the dark side of the equation: negative stress or end stress.
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Sarah: The villain of the narrative.
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Sarah: End stress is what is actually driving people to buy those wellness retreats and download all those meditation apps.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Adrian: N stress is the mechanism that cripples people physically and mentally.
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Adrian: Molton's text is highly specific about his destructive pathology.
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Sarah: What does it do?
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Adrian: It aggressively saps your physical strength, it wears down your immune system, it ruins your interpersonal relationships, and it physically debilitates nearly every organ in your body over time.
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Sarah: And if you apply the biology we just learned, the reason end stress destroys the body becomes terrifyingly clear.
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Adrian: It really does.
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Sarah: Because P-stress works because the bear eventually leaves.
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Sarah: The acute danger passes, allowing the RDS to initiate the cleanup.
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Sarah: But N stress doesn't resolve.
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Adrian: No, N stress is an alarm bell that gets stuck on the ring position.
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Sarah: The motion sensor is broken, and the siren just keeps screaming.
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Adrian: Imagine your body continuously pumping cortisol and adrenaline into your bloodstream 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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Sarah: Oh man.
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Adrian: Your liver is constantly dumping glucose into your blood for physical fight that never happens.
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Adrian: Your blood pressure stays artificially spiked, your digestion remains permanently suppressed.
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Sarah: So you are locked in fight or flight with absolutely no physical release.
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Adrian: None.
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Adrian: You are revving a car engine in the red zone for years at a time.
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Adrian: The engine blocks crack, the gears strip.
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Adrian: That is why end stress wears you out and ruins your health.
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Adrian: The RDS cleanup crew is never given the all-clear signal to enter the stadium.
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Sarah: That is profoundly eye-opening.
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Sarah: If we look back at the journey we've taken through Moulton's work today, I mean the sheer mechanical brilliance of the human body is staggering.
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Adrian: It is truly a marvel.
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Sarah: We started with the amygdala acting as a primal motion sensor, firing signals to the hypothalamus to hijack our baseline state.
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Sarah: We watched the sympathetic nervous system flood us with adrenaline and glucose.
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Adrian: Granting us the superhuman power to fight, the speed to choose flight, or the tactical brilliance to freeze and cloak ourselves from predators.
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Sarah: Right.
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Sarah: And then we explored the sheer relief of the parasympathetic nervous system, the rest and digest crew that painstakingly clears the chemical debris and restores our equilibrium.
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Adrian: And finally, we uncovered the fundamental divide between life-saving pea stress, which protects us, and the relentless, debilitating grind of end stress, which destroys us.
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Sarah: Exactly.
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Sarah: And this brings us to the edge of the source material today.
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Sarah: But Moulton doesn't leave it neatly tied up with a bow.
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Adrian: No, he doesn't.
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Sarah: He leaves a massive, lingering question hanging at the very end of the chapter.
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Adrian: It's a really provocative cliffhanger, actually, because if we know that P-stress is a natural biological response to a physical predator, and we know that end stress is the true culprit eroding our health and our relationships.
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Sarah: Who or what is actually pulling the lever in our modern lives?
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Adrian: That is the multi-million dollar question.
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Sarah: I mean, if you don't work in a Canadian forest and there are absolutely no grizzly bears roaming the halls of your office building, why is your amygdala constantly screaming that you are about to be eaten?
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Adrian: Exactly.
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Adrian: And Moulton teases that diagnosing the exact origin of this end stress and applying his specific framework, which he calls the three M's of understanding stress, is the mandatory next step.
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Sarah: The three M's.
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Adrian: Yes.
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Adrian: It is the key to finally mastering the infrastructure operating beneath your own skin.
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Sarah: So the next time your heart races during a meeting or you feel that overwhelming surge of tension before opening an email, remember, your body isn't broken.
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Adrian: No, it's working perfectly.
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Sarah: Your ancient, beautiful alarm system is just trying to save your life from a threat it doesn't quite understand.
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Sarah: Don't try to rip the fire alarm out of the wall.
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Sarah: Instead, you need to find out exactly what keeps pulling the lever.
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