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Sonia Elijah on the ongoing relevance of the Covid scam | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Jim Warfee the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas. Sonya Elijah, thank you for joining me in
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Speaker 1: the Strangers.
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Speaker 2: Thank you Jeremy for having me on your show. Dog
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Speaker 2: barking in the background.
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Speaker 1: No, it's fine, it's fine. Have you been to my
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Speaker 1: side of the pond.
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Speaker 2: No, but I would love to travel to South Africa,
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Speaker 2: so if you're inviting me, I would definitely be there.
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Speaker 1: Well, the time now is winter, so I wouldn't recommend
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Speaker 1: coming now, although although you're from the UK so you're
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Speaker 1: quite used to horrible weather.
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Speaker 2: We are. Yes, we're very, very accustomed to the rain
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Speaker 2: and the gloom. But actually, as I look at the
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Speaker 2: window now, it is sunny, so that's nice.
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Speaker 1: Well it should be, I mean, isn't it summer now?
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Speaker 2: Yes, it should, but that does not guarantee good warm
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Speaker 2: weather in the UK, even though it's you know who're
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Speaker 2: in May.
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Speaker 1: You and I were just chatting before hit the record
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Speaker 1: button about vitamin D and I was saying that we
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Speaker 1: don't have much to offer in South Africa, but sunshine
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Speaker 1: we have plenty of.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's so good. Yeah, that's why it's such
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Speaker 2: a good It's such a pool isn't it to go
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Speaker 2: to places where they have you know, guaranteed sunshine.
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Speaker 1: Well, you cover a lot of dark stuff. How's that
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Speaker 1: for a segue? I'm sunshine to like that.
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Speaker 2: I like the juxtaposition there, Sonya.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with this question, why did you leave the BBC?
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Speaker 2: Well, the BBC I was there as a as a
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Speaker 2: researcher in documentaries and I really did enjoy my time there.
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Speaker 2: But this is quite quite some time ago. But then
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Speaker 2: I went to you know, explore the US and lived
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Speaker 2: in Canada and worked for productions over there. Yeah, there
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Speaker 2: wasn't a particular reason for me leaving at that time.
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Speaker 1: But you were at the BBC, which I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: pretty much mainstream, it's the establishment. How did you How
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Speaker 1: did you go from that to where you are now?
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Speaker 2: I know it is a bit of a leap. I
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Speaker 2: always love production and documentaries was always sort of one
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Speaker 2: of my you know loves, really getting involved in that,
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Speaker 2: and I got some really good training the BBC for
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Speaker 2: that and research and did some filming and all of that.
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Speaker 2: So it was a really good experience. The journalism, I
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Speaker 2: would say, really came out of the abject failure of
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Speaker 2: the mainstream media to do any kind of decent coverage
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Speaker 2: on what was going on back in twenty twenty. Right,
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Speaker 2: So my sort of I have an analytical mind. I
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Speaker 2: would say, I'm quite a critical thinker, and I just
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Speaker 2: knew things were not right, and I thought, well, I
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Speaker 2: will do my own investigations in research, and that's what
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Speaker 2: I did at so sort of probably starting twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: one was when I began my investigative reporting, and which
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Speaker 2: has culminated in my book three or eleven Viral Takeover.
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Speaker 1: We're going to come to that in a moment. I
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Speaker 1: just want to quit, to go back to COVID. It's
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Speaker 1: not twenty twenty six. Why are we still talking about COVID.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question because it's so relevant
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Speaker 2: because the landscape that we're living in now is kind
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Speaker 2: of the fallout from three to eleven. And I use
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Speaker 2: that date. Three eleven is that, you know, March the
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Speaker 2: eleventh is when the World Health Organization declared COVID a pandemic.
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Speaker 2: And I really see that date as a civilizational turning
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Speaker 2: point because the biosecurity framework that were set ups of
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Speaker 2: you know, the temporary measures, has become codified permanent in
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Speaker 2: the laws that we're seeing now, take for example, even
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Speaker 2: the Online Safety Act in the UK, the EUS Digital
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Speaker 2: Services Act, this great push for digital IDs that's going
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Speaker 2: on right now, that's all out of you know, post
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Speaker 2: three eleven and the rampant censorship that has unprecedented All
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Speaker 2: of that comes into play. So and even now as
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Speaker 2: they're discussing you know, the hand to virus right and
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Speaker 2: how they should be widespread PCR testing, you've got characters
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Speaker 2: like Deborah Berks, the former COVID Task Force coordinator in
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Speaker 2: the US, advocating for PCR testing. So we are still
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Speaker 2: living it and we know just actually a few weeks
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Speaker 2: ago the UK government pledged a billion pounds for pandemic preparedness.
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Speaker 2: So it's it's it's you know, it's it's it's there,
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Speaker 2: and it's not a matter of if when it will.
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Speaker 2: It's it's like it's going to happen. None of it
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Speaker 2: has been dismantled. We're still living in it, and I
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Speaker 2: just think it's just yeah, it's the rise. My book
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Speaker 2: does I write a lot about this rise of digital authoritarianism,
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Speaker 2: and that is right coming out of three eleven, and
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Speaker 2: we are living in that today.
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Speaker 1: Before we go any further, sonya, three eleven. Why is
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Speaker 1: it written like that makes me think that it's a
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Speaker 1: third of November British? Why why did you switch the
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Speaker 1: numbering around just because it sounds better.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was going with nine to eleven, September eleventh, Yes,
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Speaker 2: so yeah, of course is yes, it's the American date
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Speaker 2: and I did live some time for amount of time
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Speaker 2: in the US. Oh yeah, So there is a parallel
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Speaker 2: I see between nine to eleven and through that, and
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Speaker 2: obviously I can I can sort of talk about that.
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Speaker 2: But the you know, if we look at nine to eleven,
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Speaker 2: what did we see come out of that? We saw
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Speaker 2: we saw this sort of a disruptive event, a crisis
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Speaker 2: used resulting widespread fear, and out of that, you know,
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Speaker 2: expanded powers by the state. So with nine to eleven,
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Speaker 2: you know, you've got the rise of the Patriot Act,
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Speaker 2: You've got this sort of surveillance going on, You've got
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Speaker 2: sort of state surveillance of citizens. But what did we
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Speaker 2: see coming out of three eleven? We saw citizen compliance
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Speaker 2: with the state. Three eleven is another disruptive event and
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Speaker 2: fear being weaponized, and then you have expanded powers coming
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Speaker 2: out of that. The Coronavirus Act that was passed in
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Speaker 2: the UK and obviously the international equivalents around the world,
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Speaker 2: and just how so there is there is a real
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Speaker 2: sort of parallel can be made there And yeah, so now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I got that I was being facetious. I'm
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Speaker 1: merely making a comment. And why the Americans have to
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Speaker 1: flip the month and the day just it doesn't make
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Speaker 1: any sense. It should be the day, month and the year.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they switch those, But your I
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Speaker 1: get your your parallel. If you could go back to
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen before all of this, would.
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Speaker 2: You, I know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't even
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Speaker 2: though my book, you know, the Timeline starts at twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: because I think that's actually quite a critical year, and
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Speaker 2: I go into many key events that took place that
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Speaker 2: we could talk about later if you wanted. But no,
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Speaker 2: I'm very happy with with sort of what I know
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Speaker 2: now because it makes us much more resilient, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: And you know, to all the experiences that we went through,
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Speaker 2: I do believe makes you a stronger person, perhaps, And
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Speaker 2: I'd like to think that more people have woken up
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Speaker 2: to what has gone on and yeah, and you know
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Speaker 2: my book. You know, one of the main aims of
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Speaker 2: the book is to, you know, to sort of provide
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Speaker 2: people the knowledge and truth and so they won't be
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Speaker 2: fooled next time.
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Speaker 1: I think something that I was alluding to now. And
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Speaker 1: my question is, why did you start on the eleventh
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Speaker 1: of March and say not, I don't know with the
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Speaker 1: events that were unfolding in twenty nineteen or youd like
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Speaker 1: EVENTU a while.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I do. The book title is three eleven,
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Speaker 2: so it's not like all the events. Yeah, so if
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Speaker 2: you read the book, you know it's about five hundred pages.
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Speaker 2: I talk about decades before I go. I took about
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Speaker 2: what was going on in two thousand and one and
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Speaker 2: the rise of the bio defense industrial complex. Three eleven
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Speaker 2: is the title because it's that pivotal date where we
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Speaker 2: see this disruptive event taking place and then ushering in
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Speaker 2: everything else. So the book definitely speaks to many events
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Speaker 2: that happen pre three eleven.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean I would agree with you, obviously.
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Speaker 1: I suppose you could say I've also woken up something
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Speaker 1: wasn't right into any twenty I think most of us
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Speaker 1: kind of felt that something was very wrong, and we
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Speaker 1: started kind of collectively trying to piece together the puzzle.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that I realized is that these
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Speaker 1: things are interconnected, and they're big. They're not isolated events.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they all They all sort of work lockstep,
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Speaker 2: don't they. Yeah, which is what I write about sort of.
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Speaker 2: I think it was the perfect storm that they created, right,
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Speaker 2: and and the censorship machinery machinery is part of that,
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Speaker 2: and it with you know, major sort of psychological operations
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Speaker 2: were unleashed on the public, on the unwitting public. So
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Speaker 2: I definitely write about all of that and the you know,
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Speaker 2: just running up the twenty nineteen or the pandemic simulation
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Speaker 2: exercises that they were running, these key officials that they were,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's really very very telling. And the recommendations
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Speaker 2: that come out of that, let's say, for example, Event
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Speaker 2: TUO one that happened in the fall of twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: that you have them, you know, really pushing for a
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Speaker 2: pub the public sector and the private sector to work
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Speaker 2: together to combat to counter misinformation what they deem of
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Speaker 2: course as misinformation their definition of it, and how they
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Speaker 2: need to come up with nimble approaches. Governments who combat
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Speaker 2: this working with social media companies. So this is this
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Speaker 2: is a clarion call coming out from twenty nineteen. And
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Speaker 2: what did we see play out three posts? You know,
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Speaker 2: three eleven? It was exactly that. And I believe the
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Speaker 2: you know, the Orwellian Ministry of Truth aka the Trusted
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Speaker 2: News Initiative was key in that. So yeah, I could
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Speaker 2: speak a lot about that too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've spoken about something called the locked in narrative.
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Speaker 1: Now who the natural regin?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the natural origin Yeah correct.
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Speaker 1: Now who would you argue then? Are some of the
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Speaker 1: key architects?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have you know, you've got the likes
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Speaker 2: of Sir Jerremer Ferrar, Dr Anthony Fauci, Peter Dazek, who
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Speaker 2: was obviously leading Eco Health Alliance at the time, a
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Speaker 2: lot of the Gain of Function research, scientists like Ralph Barrick,
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Speaker 2: who was recently in the news. All of those sort
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Speaker 2: of elite scientists, I would say, were very instrumental to
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Speaker 2: locking in the natural origin theory. And I would say
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Speaker 2: that the joint statement in the Lancet which was published
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Speaker 2: February twenty twenty, where you had twenty six out of
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Speaker 2: the twenty seven seven scientists who sign that had deep
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Speaker 2: ties with the Wuhan Institute of Virology or its funders,
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Speaker 2: so you know, major their conflicts of interests were never declared.
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Speaker 2: So and then you have the first two chapters of
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Speaker 2: my book, Jeremy, I dissect thousands, you know these for
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Speaker 2: your released emails. These are the Anthony Fauci emails, his
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Speaker 2: correspondence with as as scientists all discussing this, discussing how
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Speaker 2: this virus looks engineered, like it's coming from a lab.
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Speaker 2: But this is what they were discussing in private, but
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Speaker 2: in public it was a completely different story. It was
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Speaker 2: them coordinating on this official narrative that it was a
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Speaker 2: zoo tick virus coming, you know, jumping from one species
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Speaker 2: to another, and anyone discussing the lab origin theory would
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Speaker 2: be condemned as a conspiracy theorist. The Lancet letter, the
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Speaker 2: key statement of that letter is that we strongly condemn
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Speaker 2: you know, any any anybody saying, you know that it's
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Speaker 2: coming from a lab and that's you know, that's a
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. So I really dissect those emails because they
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Speaker 2: reveal so much, right, and yeah, so I thought that
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Speaker 2: was critically important to do so.
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Speaker 1: Invariably I'm going to get feedback after this discussion from
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Speaker 1: those in my audience who argue that there is no virus.
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Speaker 1: You've obviously come across this kind of argument. What are
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Speaker 1: your views on that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I understand that everybody is entitled to their views. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: I wrote the book. It wasn't to disprove or you know,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't to look at the foundational biology of virology, right,
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Speaker 2: And to me, there is sufficient evidence that viruses do exist.
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Speaker 2: Sarskov two has been isolated. You've got studies like the
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Speaker 2: Yo yoa atal study where they isolated the virus. They
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Speaker 2: looked at eleven patients and they were able to isolate
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Speaker 2: the virus. To me, I'm not yeah, but I think
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Speaker 2: it's more about that's bit of more of a diversion.
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Speaker 2: It's like, what is the fallout, what was revealed? It's
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Speaker 2: how governments around the world, how they responded, and how
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Speaker 2: it was three to eleven was used as a biosecurity overreach.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I would say to your question.
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Speaker 1: A big portion of your research is blockgate? What is that?
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Speaker 2: It's not a big portion of my research. There is
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Speaker 2: a mention of it in the book, and I have
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Speaker 2: done reporting on it. But Blockgate essentially is the Western
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Speaker 2: Blot essays that Bioentech submitted to the FDA, to the regulators,
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Speaker 2: em the regulator to prove the fidelity of their product,
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Speaker 2: to prove that their vaccinal, their genomic that they're the
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Speaker 2: vaccine would produce the spike protein. Right. So I, you know,
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Speaker 2: anonymous individual you know, has provided me with that evidence
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Speaker 2: showing that it looked completely fabricated and it looked like
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Speaker 2: a copy and paste job. So this I think is
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Speaker 2: really damning because it just shows that you know, these
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Speaker 2: these shots, these mRNA shots, are they even producing what
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Speaker 2: they're supposed to be doing right. And obviously that a
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Speaker 2: large portion of the book does talk about all the harms.
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Speaker 2: You know, these were branded as vaccines Emma, and a
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Speaker 2: technology is it's a Darper technology that from the you know,
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Speaker 2: early two thousands they were wanting to bring in. You
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Speaker 2: have you know, Darper program manager going, you know what
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Speaker 2: if we could create a vaccine that would just take
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Speaker 2: you know, a few months and not wait ten years.
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Speaker 2: You have the Milken Institute a panel happening in twenty
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Speaker 2: nineteen where you had Anthony Fauci on stage. You had
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Speaker 2: Rick Bright, who was leading barder at the time and
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Speaker 2: a New York Times journalist, discussing how we need to
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Speaker 2: blow up, We need a disruptive event to blow up
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Speaker 2: the traditional ag grown vaccine process and bring in this
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Speaker 2: new technology. We are talking about the mRNA technology. So
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Speaker 2: this has been in the sort of wings for a
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Speaker 2: long time. And this is another thing, a key thing
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Speaker 2: that three eleven ushers in. It ushes in this highly toxicproved,
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Speaker 2: you know, definitely not safe m RNA technology. And if
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Speaker 2: we look at that, we see, you know, bio Intech
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Speaker 2: and Maderna pre three eleven had failed to bring a
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Speaker 2: single product, single mRNA product to market. And the reason,
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Speaker 2: being Jeremy, is because it failed all the safety testing.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't get past phase one of the trials, and
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Speaker 2: that they'd known from twenty tens because of the toxicity
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Speaker 2: issues and not just the modified mRNA, right, this is
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Speaker 2: not natural messenger RNA found in the body. This is synthetic.
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Speaker 2: It's modified. And because of that, your body when it's
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Speaker 2: in your doesn't know what to do with it, right,
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Speaker 2: So that's why you have a whole host of autoimmune
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Speaker 2: issues coming out from these shots. These are gene based shots.
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Speaker 2: They're not vaccines, and they were misbranded for a reason
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Speaker 2: simply because if they were, say this is a gene
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Speaker 2: based product, no one would have taken them. So and
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Speaker 2: then we've got the whole bait and switch thing going on.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're aware of Phires's bait and switch.
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Speaker 2: So this is a and the book discusses this. So
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Speaker 2: I was I was the There were two different manufacturing
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Speaker 2: processes used to make this is for the Phizer bio
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Speaker 2: intake shot. Process one was used in the kind of
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Speaker 2: clinical trials, the sort of small scale batches that were made,
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Speaker 2: and they were made completely differently to the process two,
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Speaker 2: which was basically the what they made on mass, the
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Speaker 2: large scale this was. This was rolled out to the public.
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Speaker 2: All the clinical trials were made using process one, not
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Speaker 2: processed two. So if you think about it, the product
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Speaker 2: they rolled out to the product to the to the public,
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Speaker 2: was never really tested at all, didn't even go through
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Speaker 2: a clinical trial. Isn't that just so less that the
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Speaker 2: number used as lab rats?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry of interrupting. I remember in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: which is like what five years ago, and I can't
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Speaker 1: believe it. I interviewed Luigi Warren, and he was one
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Speaker 1: of the foundational mRNA biotech inventors at Moderna and he
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Speaker 1: no longer does interviews on this, and he at the
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Speaker 1: time said that he would recommend against using this technology
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Speaker 1: in your body.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad he spoke out against it. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And I haven't even discussed the lip in nanoparticles because
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Speaker 2: that is also another you know, toxic part of this
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Speaker 2: vaccine that was never I can't say vaccine shot or whatever, jab,
20:49
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. Two of those compounds
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Speaker 2: completely novel, never been tested in, never been using a
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Speaker 2: human product before medicinal let alone injected was you know,
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Speaker 2: was involved, you know. And again, the lipid nanoparticles themselves
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Speaker 2: are highly inflammatory, highly toxic, and this was known, so
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Speaker 2: a lot of the harms and I write extensively on
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Speaker 2: this was known before the emergency use authorization was ever granted.
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Speaker 2: So this is before December twenty twenty. And yeah, I've
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Speaker 2: got you know, there's this FDA slide that talks about
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Speaker 2: this and of key meeting in October twenty twenty that
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Speaker 2: discuff all the harm.
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Speaker 1: You've also highlighted the Cambridge paper which which refers to
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Speaker 1: mr and a what did you call it skipping.
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Speaker 2: So it's a ribosonal frame shifting. So this is when
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Speaker 2: the riber zones come to read the modified mRNA. They can't.
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Speaker 2: They just its slips, so you don't get So what
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Speaker 2: you're getting essentially is our varrant proteins, unintended off target
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Speaker 2: proteins are being produced in the body, so they don't
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Speaker 2: even know they don't even know what proteins are being
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Speaker 2: properly expressed by these shots. And so the Cambridge study
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Speaker 2: is a landmark study, even though they kind of dismiss
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Speaker 2: the harms. Oh yes, it could cause imminological events, you know,
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Speaker 2: but it's not dangerous, they do sort of. Yeah, they
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Speaker 2: sort of dismiss it. But the whole process one process too,
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Speaker 2: and the whole block Gate scandal which I write about,
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Speaker 2: speaks to that. So it's you know, deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't have your book yet because
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Speaker 1: I'm at the bottom of Africa and everything takes longer,
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Speaker 1: but I will have your book soon. So I'm going
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Speaker 1: according to everything I've read on your substack, which I
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Speaker 1: highly recommend. By the way, thank you. Just quickly you
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Speaker 1: mentioned frames shifting for those who don't know what that means.
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Speaker 1: What doesn't What do you mean when you say frame shifting?
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Speaker 2: So, like I said, when the riber zones come to
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Speaker 2: read the modified m RNA right to the protein.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, let's let's make it simpler.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the riber zones, Well, I mean, do you want
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Speaker 2: to have a science less so we could talk about that,
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Speaker 2: or we could talk about the book. I mean, if
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Speaker 2: you want to.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying when you say.
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Speaker 2: Riber zomes read the m RNA to then to then
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Speaker 2: make the protein. So they read the code. So they
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Speaker 2: read the code. If you think about it, the code
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Speaker 2: is like the software of a computer, right, and then
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Speaker 2: you know it goes to make the proteins in it,
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Speaker 2: you know, to yeah, to make the protein. So ribozones
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Speaker 2: are integral part of that process. So when the riber
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Speaker 2: zones read the modify remember this is since synthetic messenger RNA,
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Speaker 2: they just they can't. It's like a glitch that goes on.
24:05
Speaker 2: So think about it like a glitch, like it stalls.
24:09
Speaker 2: The proteins become misfolded, and again you've got a whole
24:14
Speaker 2: host of maybe diseases coming from that, potentially Alzheimer's and
24:19
Speaker 2: there are. You know, I think doctor Peter mccullor and
24:22
Speaker 2: Kevin mccurlin wrote a paper on that as well, discussing
24:26
Speaker 2: these host of harms. So it is, it is very Yeah,
24:30
Speaker 2: it's problematic.
24:32
Speaker 1: It's interesting you mentioned the whole operating system concept because
24:35
Speaker 1: that's exactly what Morderna once upon a time had on
24:38
Speaker 1: their website. They spoke about an operating system and the
24:41
Speaker 1: software updates. They have since removed that.
24:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how they wanted to hack the body, you know,
24:47
Speaker 2: like this is like the hacking. Yeah, I mean, it's
24:50
Speaker 2: just really and the way they just so flippantly talk
24:53
Speaker 2: about it like, oh, it's just you know, and yeah,
24:57
Speaker 2: also said that yeah, yes, yes he did, he absolutely did.
25:02
Speaker 2: And but the problem now we have because these have
25:05
Speaker 2: been ushered in green lit and you know, billions you
25:09
Speaker 2: know have obviously billions have been made by the pharmaceutical industries.
25:13
Speaker 2: That's not you know, mustn't forget that, but they have
25:16
Speaker 2: been rolled out and it's sort of like people are
25:18
Speaker 2: now accepting of it, and the you know, we've we've
25:24
Speaker 2: got the wanting to push a lot more of these,
25:27
Speaker 2: you know, mRNA based shots for for you know, for
25:31
Speaker 2: the flu, for whatever it is. So it's it's just
25:34
Speaker 2: very very Yeah, it's I would say, it's a very
25:38
Speaker 2: dangerous technology.
25:39
Speaker 1: And yeah, don't want to create the ultimate vaccine.
25:43
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like a universal one, right. And what is really
25:48
Speaker 2: also kind of creepy if you think about it, is like,
25:51
Speaker 2: obviously it was used try to treat cancers. This is
25:54
Speaker 2: how kind of bio intech started and Maderna, you know,
26:00
Speaker 2: particularly bierntech though, but if you think about it, they're
26:05
Speaker 2: creating a whole you know, we know there's a high
26:08
Speaker 2: risk of cancers coming out of the m RINA technology themselves.
26:14
Speaker 2: So you've got the And we haven't even discussed the
26:18
Speaker 2: DNA contamination scandal, which I write a lot about in
26:22
Speaker 2: the book. You know, I've interviewed Kevin McKernin and Jessic
26:26
Speaker 2: Carrows and David Speaker who wrote, you know, really great
26:30
Speaker 2: papers on you know, independently in their labs showing that
26:35
Speaker 2: these products are highly contaminated with billions, two hundreds of
26:40
Speaker 2: billions of plasmid DNA. And that again is talking that
26:45
Speaker 2: refers back to the process one versus process too. They
26:48
Speaker 2: made process too with ecoli, with with bacteria. That's how
26:54
Speaker 2: they got to make process you know used you know
26:57
Speaker 2: for making process too the products coming out of So
27:00
Speaker 2: that's why you have the plasma DNA in the vials
27:05
Speaker 2: for both Maderna and for piser and biotechs product too.
27:10
Speaker 2: And then you've got the whole risk of you know,
27:13
Speaker 2: going into the nucleus of the cell causing insertional mutagenesis,
27:19
Speaker 2: rise of cancers. And also it suppresses I think it's
27:23
Speaker 2: called the P fifty two gene, which is your natural
27:27
Speaker 2: way of suppressing cancers. That it knocks out that gene.
27:31
Speaker 2: So you've got the rise of you know, turbo cancers,
27:34
Speaker 2: which a lot of doctors are talking about rout and
27:38
Speaker 2: right now, and a lot of young people are getting cancers,
27:40
Speaker 2: which is very alarming.
27:43
Speaker 1: Do you think bio intech know about all of this?
27:49
Speaker 1: And if they do know, what does it mean ethically
27:51
Speaker 1: and legally?
27:54
Speaker 2: Great question, Jeremy, Yeah, I mean do they know? You know,
27:59
Speaker 2: It's like I think they're quite happy with their you know,
28:02
Speaker 2: the price of their stocks, you know, what they've made
28:05
Speaker 2: from their most successful product ever, they would say financially
28:10
Speaker 2: for them, So do they know? Do they care? It's
28:14
Speaker 2: really hard for me to speak on intent. I can't
28:17
Speaker 2: get into their brains. And but you know, they knew
28:21
Speaker 2: the harms before, absolutely, so I think they probably know
28:24
Speaker 2: the harms now as well.
28:27
Speaker 1: I guess that Dovetails was the idea that the industry
28:31
Speaker 1: is completely captured.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, you hit Nell on the head there. You've
28:37
Speaker 2: got you know, regulatory capture, you know, rampant regulatory capture.
28:44
Speaker 2: You've got we know and I'm sure your audience knows
28:47
Speaker 2: that a lot of the funding for you know, going
28:50
Speaker 2: to the regulators, they you know, they get it from
28:52
Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical companies, the fees that the pharmaceutical companies have
28:57
Speaker 2: to pay the regulators. So you have these there's a
29:01
Speaker 2: chapter called the Blind Watchdogs that absolutely speaks to this.
29:06
Speaker 2: They are enablers. And you've got Dame June Rain, who
29:12
Speaker 2: heads up the mhr UK's m h R, saying that
29:17
Speaker 2: we need to turn from being a watchdog to being enabler.
29:21
Speaker 2: And that's what they've essentially done. They've enabled the pharmaceutical
29:25
Speaker 2: industry to get away with yeah, completely catastrophic harms.
29:32
Speaker 1: Now a lot of people know this. They will stay
29:35
Speaker 1: far away from not just mRNA, but all vaccines. I
29:39
Speaker 1: stay away from all vaccines. Now, my own child is
29:41
Speaker 1: not vaccinated. And what does this mean long term though?
29:50
Speaker 1: I mean, are we going to see are we going
29:52
Speaker 1: to see an increase in healthy people who are let's say,
29:57
Speaker 1: no longer accepting these actions in their arms, And are
30:02
Speaker 1: we going to see a difference basically in society where
30:04
Speaker 1: we going to see an increase an increased number of
30:07
Speaker 1: sick people who continue believing in ornateech for example.
30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think for people who believe that
30:17
Speaker 2: all it's really going to help me, I'm really going
30:19
Speaker 2: to like it will prevent me from getting you know, whatever,
30:22
Speaker 2: the flu for example, if I take this shot or
30:26
Speaker 2: from COVID or whatever. I mean, it's really sort of
30:29
Speaker 2: hard to chin because if their mindset is so so
30:32
Speaker 2: embedded with this is to help me. And also a
30:36
Speaker 2: lot of these people are afraid, right, fear tends to
30:40
Speaker 2: arrest your critical thinking skills. And that's one thing we
30:43
Speaker 2: haven't discussed is the weaponization of fear that was used,
30:47
Speaker 2: you know, coming out of three eleven. And they're going
30:52
Speaker 2: to do that so you will maybe you will see
30:54
Speaker 2: some people getting very sick, which you are seeing evidence.
30:57
Speaker 2: We've got excess deaths going on, you know, that hasn't
31:00
Speaker 2: gone away, and hopefully a lot of people like you
31:05
Speaker 2: just said, like yourself, you know, they will not use
31:09
Speaker 2: these products and they will remain healthy.
31:12
Speaker 1: That well, okay, So that that weaponization of fear is
31:15
Speaker 1: actually a really good theme because that has been part
31:20
Speaker 1: of the psychological operation from day one.
31:25
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, So you have you know, and this does
31:31
Speaker 2: speak again to the Trusted News Initiative because the whole
31:35
Speaker 2: censorship they use fear right, you know what, which.
31:39
Speaker 1: Includes sorry, which included the BBC.
31:42
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the BBC led It helms the Trusted News Initiative absolutely.
31:48
Speaker 2: And so you have March twenty seventh, which is an
31:52
Speaker 2: interesting date, so just two weeks after the pandemic was declared,
31:56
Speaker 2: you have the Trusted News Initiative. Obviously, you've got the
31:59
Speaker 2: BBC do a big article on this stating how we
32:05
Speaker 2: are going to expand you know, our remit in a
32:07
Speaker 2: way where we're going to now counter COVID misinformation. So
32:12
Speaker 2: it's very interesting they're preempting the descent, right, they're preempting
32:16
Speaker 2: it by we're going to counter disinformation, misinformation and malinformation.
32:21
Speaker 2: And you have you have the whole fact checking thing
32:26
Speaker 2: coming out of you know that you know, the arbitras
32:29
Speaker 2: of truth rights, which I which I discussed a lot
32:32
Speaker 2: there as well. But going back to the fear, the
32:35
Speaker 2: media were real culprits in that the mainstream media on
32:40
Speaker 2: you know, we had the death tallies going on, how
32:42
Speaker 2: many people had died, how many people had tested for COVID.
32:46
Speaker 2: My book writes a lot about the whole PCR testing scandals,
32:50
Speaker 2: the lateral flow test scandals. But early on we had
32:57
Speaker 2: a key meeting happen around March twenty twenty and my book,
33:01
Speaker 2: you know, there's about over one hundred and forty exhibits
33:04
Speaker 2: in my books, screenshots of papers, documents, emails where you
33:09
Speaker 2: have behavioral scientists, advisors to the UK government discussing how
33:14
Speaker 2: they need to what can we do to get people
33:16
Speaker 2: to comply with these you know lot, you know these
33:20
Speaker 2: measures and it's like it, you know, there's clearly states
33:24
Speaker 2: increase the use use the media to increase the sense
33:29
Speaker 2: of threat and also use consider use of social disapproval
33:36
Speaker 2: for failure to comply. So this is major psychological operations
33:42
Speaker 2: that we have and then we have hundreds of millions.
33:44
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like in South Africa,
33:47
Speaker 2: but do you remember all the billboards and messaging government
33:50
Speaker 2: messaging everywhere. Absolutely, And isn't it interesting now, Yeah.
33:55
Speaker 1: Because that's how you know, there's a deadly pandemic where
33:58
Speaker 1: they have to hard sell it to you.
34:00
Speaker 2: Exactly, you have to hard sell it. And so if
34:05
Speaker 2: you go out, Grandma's going to die. If you go out,
34:08
Speaker 2: you know, you're killing you know. It's just so they
34:11
Speaker 2: literally scared people to death where they died in their
34:14
Speaker 2: homes because they were too afraid to go to hospital.
34:17
Speaker 2: But they died of let's say, a heart attack or
34:19
Speaker 2: whatever it was, you know, or you know, some people
34:22
Speaker 2: did succumbent. They got really bad pneumonia and their lips
34:25
Speaker 2: turned blue and you know, they couldn't breathe, and I
34:28
Speaker 2: mean they really And then what they did in care homes, right,
34:32
Speaker 2: you have the the these end of life protocols that
34:35
Speaker 2: were dispatched in care homes, so drugs given out to
34:41
Speaker 2: the elderly, you know, like medazelam, morphine, and it's just
34:47
Speaker 2: really so many crimes went on, and so the book
34:50
Speaker 2: really chronicles everything. And I do look also at the
34:53
Speaker 2: suppression of early COVID treatment, So how hydroxychlorocin, how that
34:58
Speaker 2: drug was treated. I've emectin and I looked at key studies.
35:04
Speaker 2: So you've got for hydroxychloroquin, you've got this key study
35:08
Speaker 2: being published in The Lancet that actually ends up being
35:13
Speaker 2: completely fake but on faked data. And the study was
35:17
Speaker 2: showing that HCQ hydroxychloroquin is dangerous and it leads to
35:21
Speaker 2: cardiac issues, cardiac arrests. And this is a time when
35:26
Speaker 2: the same day the paper was published to sort of
35:29
Speaker 2: discredit hydroxychloroquin. You've got the BBC New York Times all
35:34
Speaker 2: doing articles like Trump's drug kills people. You have the
35:39
Speaker 2: Oxford Universities together trial suddenly discontinuing their hydroxychlorica w in arm.
35:46
Speaker 2: You've got the World Health Organization discontinuing discontinuing their HCQR
35:52
Speaker 2: as well. And the way the doctors were demonized, you know,
35:57
Speaker 2: like doctor Dida Raul in my say, France with his
36:01
Speaker 2: Marseille protocol of Vladimir Zelenko in Brooklyn, New York, and
36:06
Speaker 2: how they were treated, so they were demonized, blacklist, you know.
36:10
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's just yeah. So and obviously the
36:15
Speaker 2: same thing done with ivermecton and so I look at
36:18
Speaker 2: all of that, so you have, yeah that it's a
36:22
Speaker 2: multi pronged attack, you know, essentially, and it was all
36:26
Speaker 2: used to usher in this technology, right, because the one
36:31
Speaker 2: of the conditions that needs to be met to have
36:34
Speaker 2: to have the emergency use authorization granted is that there's
36:39
Speaker 2: no existing treatment for the disease.
36:43
Speaker 1: But Sonya. We saw now in the UK the module
36:47
Speaker 1: for report that came out showing that the UK's vaccination
36:51
Speaker 1: program was a great success.
36:53
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well done for bringing that up exactly. So
36:58
Speaker 2: the COVID inquiries more or four comes out of the
37:01
Speaker 2: UK COVID in quarry, which I write I've written about
37:04
Speaker 2: extensively as well and critique to it's just I would say,
37:07
Speaker 2: one big whitewashing exercise because all of that success, they
37:13
Speaker 2: say is all based on modeling, right, and my book
37:17
Speaker 2: talks a lot about these you know, these modeling you know,
37:20
Speaker 2: how how they're literally For example, why we locked Down
37:26
Speaker 2: was based on Professor Neil Ferguson's Report nine coming out
37:31
Speaker 2: of Imperial College London, a well known university here heavily
37:35
Speaker 2: funded by the Gates Foundation. Ferguson himself has ties with
37:39
Speaker 2: Gavy another Gates found are funded by the Gates Foundation
37:45
Speaker 2: on vaccines. So anyway, his paper report night, all based
37:49
Speaker 2: on modeling or based on catastrophic predictions like if we
37:54
Speaker 2: don't lock down, millions are gonna die. So the same
37:59
Speaker 2: thing used these more modeling predictions for all. Wasn't the
38:02
Speaker 2: vaccine such a success, such a savior? Completely these they don't,
38:07
Speaker 2: you know, it's not the truth, it's not reality.
38:11
Speaker 1: But the UK is also now implemented, or shall we say,
38:15
Speaker 1: rolled out one billion pound pandemic plan.
38:19
Speaker 2: Yes, which yes, which I was talking. I think I
38:22
Speaker 2: made you mention that earlier in the interview. Yeah, one
38:25
Speaker 2: billion pounds being spent on I think, as on all
38:30
Speaker 2: pandemics hazard bill. And it's to grant rapid emergency powers again,
38:36
Speaker 2: you know, so if a pandemic is announced, you know,
38:39
Speaker 2: so we're ready for the next one. So it's the
38:42
Speaker 2: same playbook. You know, they're going to use the same
38:44
Speaker 2: playbook again. And my book dissects the playbook that was
38:49
Speaker 2: used over and over again. Really and yeah, so this
38:57
Speaker 2: is why it's relevant now.
38:59
Speaker 1: Yes, do you think they are going to attempt the
39:02
Speaker 1: same thing again?
39:05
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, even from what we're seeing with hantavirus,
39:09
Speaker 2: we see all the media whipping up a lot of
39:12
Speaker 2: thing about it, characters like Deborah Burke's going on TV
39:16
Speaker 2: talking about we've got to use the PCR test to
39:19
Speaker 2: you know, it's just, yeah, they're just sort of whipping
39:21
Speaker 2: it up again. So I don't have a crystal ball.
39:25
Speaker 2: I can't predict the future, and neither do I want to.
39:30
Speaker 2: But it's it looks that way, doesn't it, That they're
39:34
Speaker 2: sort of waiting for the next one. And I do
39:37
Speaker 2: hope that more people will be less afraid, right, so
39:40
Speaker 2: when it does come round again, they will not be
39:43
Speaker 2: panicking and oh, because they'll say, oh, look, you must
39:46
Speaker 2: take this shot. You've got to take well, this vaccine
39:49
Speaker 2: to protect yourself from this you know, deadly deadly virus.
39:55
Speaker 2: That's you know, when they knew early on that had
39:57
Speaker 2: a zero point one percent infection for mentality rate zero
40:01
Speaker 2: point one percent for those under seventy, and which is
40:06
Speaker 2: comparable to maybe like a severe flu season that was known,
40:10
Speaker 2: you know, back in twenty twenty.
40:13
Speaker 1: My wife and I decided back then already that we
40:17
Speaker 1: were not going to legitimize any of this, and so
40:20
Speaker 1: we didn't even get a PCR tist. To this day,
40:22
Speaker 1: I don't even know what a PCR tist looks like.
40:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that was very smart of you.
40:28
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that the inventor of the PCR techn technique, yeah,
40:34
Speaker 2: doctor Carrie Mallis. You know, you have him interviewed and saying, well,
40:37
Speaker 2: this test has never beaten it's never designed to dart
40:40
Speaker 2: for diagnosis or to tell you if you're sick. He's
40:44
Speaker 2: you know, there's interview video interviews of him saying that.
40:48
Speaker 2: So the PCR protocol is a major scandal because this
40:54
Speaker 2: was the sort of multi billion dollar engine that was
40:58
Speaker 2: fueling lockdowns, right, and it's the reason why. Yeah, it
41:04
Speaker 2: just prolonged the lockdowns, and we know it was heavily flawed.
41:08
Speaker 2: So this is the German urologist, Christian Drosden. So it
41:14
Speaker 2: was his based on his paper with his co authors,
41:18
Speaker 2: and it was got peer reviewed somehow, peer reviewed in
41:21
Speaker 2: less than twenty four hours. Yeah, by the World Health Organization.
41:27
Speaker 2: Do you know when it was adopted? When it was
41:30
Speaker 2: all January thirteenth, that's three days after the genomics sequence
41:36
Speaker 2: of Sarskov two was uploaded to rological dot org. Three
41:40
Speaker 2: days later, you have the World Health Organization adopting Drosden's
41:45
Speaker 2: PCR protocol.
41:47
Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, wait, wasn't that jin bank I've can't
41:50
Speaker 1: remember anymore. I think it was Jinbanko.
41:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of you know, rological dot org was uploaded
41:55
Speaker 2: by it was Edward Holmes in China uploaded it. Yeah,
42:00
Speaker 2: and so yeah, it's just you know, this was unvalidated
42:06
Speaker 2: and there was actually a twenty international consortium of twenty
42:10
Speaker 2: two scientists led by Dr Peter Borger I believe, and
42:16
Speaker 2: they condemned this PCR protocol saying this is fundamentally flawed,
42:20
Speaker 2: and they came up with seven sorry, ten flaws, scientific flaws,
42:27
Speaker 2: and they called for it to be you know, to
42:30
Speaker 2: basically it should be completely withdrawn, this protocol.
42:34
Speaker 1: I remember that they submitted that to Eurosurveillance and it
42:38
Speaker 1: was rejected.
42:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you would know why because who's the editor
42:42
Speaker 2: of Eurosurveillance. It's Christian Drosden and he's he's the lead
42:47
Speaker 2: author of that paper along with And it's interesting because
42:53
Speaker 2: a few of these coill fors again, they don't declare
42:55
Speaker 2: their conflicts of interest. They're tied to a company, all
43:00
Speaker 2: in company, a test that does testing kits. The PCR
43:03
Speaker 2: testing kit that was shipped out on January tenth, Wasn't
43:07
Speaker 2: that the same day the virus got uploaded somehow generary
43:11
Speaker 2: tenth it gets center Hong Kong. A German paper picked
43:16
Speaker 2: that up a newspaper. So I wrote about that, and
43:19
Speaker 2: there's a screenshot of that article. So have ties to
43:23
Speaker 2: tib Mobile, which is again I'm talking this biotech company.
43:28
Speaker 2: They have ties to the to the authors of this paper.
43:31
Speaker 2: One of the authors runs that company. So it's just
43:35
Speaker 2: really again, yes, exactly what a coincidence?
43:41
Speaker 1: Coincidence?
43:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but do you have these conflicts of interest
43:45
Speaker 2: just play out time and time again. So that's sort
43:47
Speaker 2: of a running theme of the book. And of course
43:50
Speaker 2: the censorship as well, that you know, all the dissenting.
43:53
Speaker 2: We haven't really talked about the censorship of the science
43:57
Speaker 2: that happened, all those studies that got retrained acted, that
44:01
Speaker 2: were promoted, you know, showing the effective use of whether
44:04
Speaker 2: ivermectin hydroxychloroicuin. But also the harms. These are the harms
44:09
Speaker 2: of these novel shots like that myle carditis paper by
44:14
Speaker 2: doctor Peter mccullor and doctor Jessica Rose, happened to get
44:18
Speaker 2: rich withdrawn just a few days before the FDA were
44:22
Speaker 2: voting on the I think the phiser shot for the
44:25
Speaker 2: lower age group, for the five to eleven year olds
44:29
Speaker 2: incept in I think September October of twenty twenty one.
44:35
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's crazy and all those hidden harms.
44:38
Speaker 2: So I looked, I do a deep dive into all
44:40
Speaker 2: those phiser papers. I started reporting on that from late
44:44
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one when they started to release this is
44:48
Speaker 2: you remember, the FDA got taken to court because a
44:52
Speaker 2: group of medical professionals in the US wanted to see,
44:56
Speaker 2: let's see all the documents that you guys greenlit this
44:59
Speaker 2: shot on want to see it for ourselves. They had
45:02
Speaker 2: to take them to court because the FDA wanted the
45:04
Speaker 2: public to wait till twenty ninety six, I believe, and
45:09
Speaker 2: what was in these documents was very damning, and I
45:12
Speaker 2: was writing about that many years ago, and of course
45:15
Speaker 2: this is chronicled in my book along with the periodic
45:19
Speaker 2: safety update reports that were submitted by Bioentech to the
45:23
Speaker 2: European Medicines Agency. I looked at pediatric deaths. These are
45:29
Speaker 2: children dying after the COVID shot, dying of myacarditis. These
45:34
Speaker 2: are healthy children. I guess what, No autopsies were being done.
45:39
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just such a crime. So you know,
45:43
Speaker 2: these are you know, very dense documents. I was sort
45:46
Speaker 2: of wading through and you know a lot of screenshots
45:49
Speaker 2: are in the book of that harms to pregnant women
45:53
Speaker 2: breastfeed and this is in the breast milk as well.
45:55
Speaker 2: They knew, you know, it traveled to the breast milk.
45:57
Speaker 2: And remember the lie they told everyone that it US
46:00
Speaker 2: stays in your arm. It doesn't because with the lipid nanoparticles,
46:04
Speaker 2: they travel all over the body. Oh yeah, I document
46:10
Speaker 2: a lot. So this book is I would say, an
46:12
Speaker 2: evidence based, you know, forensically researched book over nine you know,
46:17
Speaker 2: nine hundred and forty one citations as well. So I
46:21
Speaker 2: think it's a really good tool for Yeah, it's it's
46:24
Speaker 2: just a it's a great book to give to a
46:26
Speaker 2: friend or just just to read to know what really
46:30
Speaker 2: went on. And everything I write out it write about
46:34
Speaker 2: is you know, I find the evidence for us. I wouldn't.
46:37
Speaker 2: I wouldn't write about it.
46:39
Speaker 1: It's impossible to capture the last few years and by extension,
46:45
Speaker 1: everything else that's connected to it, you know, in the
46:47
Speaker 1: space of an hour. Big a big portion of the
46:52
Speaker 1: whole COVID event is of course, massurveillance and the spy state,
46:57
Speaker 1: and you've absolutely and you've written about that too.
47:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is what's really disturbing. You know,
47:03
Speaker 2: you've got you know, powered by AI, artificial intelligence, So
47:07
Speaker 2: really we're looking at a place where you know, in
47:09
Speaker 2: real time, people being tracked, monitored, you know, what they're buying.
47:14
Speaker 2: Will they be rational you've brought you know, bought too
47:16
Speaker 2: much bacon today, or your beef rations or you know,
47:19
Speaker 2: I mean we don't all the or you know, the
47:22
Speaker 2: petrol you've used, that's your quota for the week. I mean,
47:25
Speaker 2: we don't know it's it has, it's it's it's very insiduous.
47:30
Speaker 2: But yes, mass surveillance, and I really believe for example,
47:33
Speaker 2: if we go look at vaccine passports, these vaccine do
47:37
Speaker 2: you remember these? You know you had to show many
47:39
Speaker 2: countries use these, these sort of vaccine passports. Those I
47:44
Speaker 2: think it's you know, that was the proof of concept
47:47
Speaker 2: for digital IDs, to show it was going to work.
47:50
Speaker 2: People were going to comply. So people's fundamental freedoms, you know,
47:54
Speaker 2: you know, you can earn you can earn your freedom
47:56
Speaker 2: right if you comply. So this is plely disturbing and Yeah,
48:02
Speaker 2: the digital ID landscape that we're in right now with
48:05
Speaker 2: the UK we have you know, you know King Charles
48:08
Speaker 2: and his speech just the other day yesterday saying, you know,
48:11
Speaker 2: my ministers will be introducing digital ID. This is after
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Speaker 2: three million people, nearly three million people in the UK
48:20
Speaker 2: signed a petition against you know, Gainst wanting a digital ID.
48:26
Speaker 2: So it's it's being heavily pushed, heavily promoted because I
48:30
Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, it gives the
48:32
Speaker 2: state ultimate control and power and control. Isn't this at
48:37
Speaker 2: the center of all of this.
48:41
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a few minutes to lift. And
48:43
Speaker 1: I like to also talk about silver linings, not just
48:47
Speaker 1: doom and gloom. I mean it's a very dark topic.
48:51
Speaker 1: What do you think are some of the ways in
48:53
Speaker 1: which we can push back?
48:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, obviously knowing what
49:01
Speaker 2: really went on, you know, the book is a vehicle
49:03
Speaker 2: for that. You know, knowledge and truth is the antidote
49:06
Speaker 2: to all of this. Right, if you're armed with knowledge, truth,
49:09
Speaker 2: you know, then in it prepares you so but it's
49:13
Speaker 2: also to make people to accountability. Right, there needs to
49:16
Speaker 2: be accountability, so I would say, and there hasn't been
49:21
Speaker 2: any exactly. So this book was written more like a
49:23
Speaker 2: live indictment for it. It's not a post mortem. It's like,
49:29
Speaker 2: this is this all the crimes, This is all the
49:31
Speaker 2: evidence that I've you know, I'm chronicling here. There needs
49:35
Speaker 2: to be accountability and so people, you know, or just
49:39
Speaker 2: to make people aware of really what went on and
49:43
Speaker 2: sort of lifting the veil. Really, but I would say
49:47
Speaker 2: the silver lining is, yeah, definitely knowledge and truth, not
49:51
Speaker 2: to be afraid, and yeah, absolutely, because when you're not afraid,
49:58
Speaker 2: they can't control you.
49:59
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean I will add an anecdote and say,
50:02
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier that I now no longer trust
50:05
Speaker 1: any vaccine my own child and next child. Yeah, I
50:10
Speaker 1: will have no vaccines at all because I don't think
50:15
Speaker 1: that there's a reason why you need to inject a
50:18
Speaker 1: baby in its arm for increased health. That just doesn't
50:22
Speaker 1: make any sense if you think of it like that.
50:23
Speaker 1: I mean, how did humans get by for thousands of years?
50:26
Speaker 2: I know exactly, Yeah, it's yeah, I mean we have
50:29
Speaker 2: a god given immune system, right, and I do believe
50:33
Speaker 2: these repetitively, you know, the vaccines, it's destroying the immune
50:36
Speaker 2: system because it's making go on hyperdrive, you know, and
50:39
Speaker 2: you're getting again this highly inflammation of the immune system.
50:44
Speaker 2: Then you've got a host of autoimmune diseases coming out
50:48
Speaker 2: of this. So it does attack the immune system.
50:54
Speaker 1: I don't expect you to know the answer, but so
50:56
Speaker 1: it's more of a rhetorical question, Sonya. But it's something
51:00
Speaker 1: I've often thought about the whole COVID event, and I
51:03
Speaker 1: agree with you, it's very important to talk about it
51:05
Speaker 1: because it's a placeholder for everything that's going on in
51:08
Speaker 1: the world in many ways. How much of it do
51:12
Speaker 1: you think was by design emergence patunistic actors.
51:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, So in the beginning of my book is this
51:24
Speaker 2: key timeline starting from twenty nineteen. It's the appendix, And
51:28
Speaker 2: I think it's just so important this timeline because dates
51:32
Speaker 2: don't lie, and a lot you can find a lot
51:35
Speaker 2: of anomalies when you look at dates when things happened right,
51:40
Speaker 2: and you know it's you have these you know, we
51:44
Speaker 2: were talking about those pandemic exercises. You had crimson contagion
51:48
Speaker 2: going on in the beginning of that year, led by
51:51
Speaker 2: Robert Cadillac, Lieutenant Colonel Robert Cadlick, who is a key
51:54
Speaker 2: figure in this sort of rise of the bio defense
51:57
Speaker 2: industrial complex coming out from nine to eleven as well.
52:01
Speaker 2: He's a key figure. So but you also have the
52:04
Speaker 2: milk note that was a Manhattan It was called the
52:07
Speaker 2: Manhattan Project for Biodefense, and that happened I think it
52:11
Speaker 2: was September twenty nineteen, and Robert Cadillac was on that panel,
52:17
Speaker 2: and they are demanding that. They are basically saying the
52:20
Speaker 2: need there needs to be, you know, funding for biodefense,
52:24
Speaker 2: like we need more money, like you know. So it's
52:26
Speaker 2: they're already saying, and we eat, you know, we're going
52:28
Speaker 2: to go big or go home. And so it's already
52:32
Speaker 2: getting ramped up, this idea of we need funds into
52:36
Speaker 2: to you know, in this industry, you have all those
52:38
Speaker 2: pandemic exercises going on. You have for some reason, isn't
52:42
Speaker 2: it interesting September twenty nineteen at the Wuhan Institute of
52:46
Speaker 2: Virology you have their major backed coronavirus database suddenly going offline, right,
52:54
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of anomalies. So I would say,
52:58
Speaker 2: and then the way the sense is ship this tn
53:01
Speaker 2: I expanded its powers, well, they were like preempting the descent.
53:05
Speaker 2: Nothing speaks to it being organic. Nothing speaks to it
53:08
Speaker 2: do being a normal response to a health event. What
53:13
Speaker 2: it speaks to is a coordinated on a global scale,
53:18
Speaker 2: really information in information operation, psychological operation.
53:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then like a string puppet, you know where
53:28
Speaker 1: the strings being pulled from. I mean you have you
53:31
Speaker 1: have the Department of Defense, the CIA, you have the
53:34
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical industry, governments, who I mean who, Who's who's.
53:40
Speaker 2: Playing health organization? Yeah? Yeah, you've named many of the
53:45
Speaker 2: players there, right, nngos, we haven't even discussed that well
53:49
Speaker 2: can passed Gates Foundation. And then you've also got the CCdh,
53:55
Speaker 2: the Center of Countering Digital Hate, Right, that's been also
53:59
Speaker 2: in the news recently as well, because remember they came
54:02
Speaker 2: up with their disinformation doesn't report back in twenty twenty one. Yes,
54:09
Speaker 2: I interviewed cig who actually happened to be one of
54:12
Speaker 2: the dozen you know, who were spreading anti vax information
54:19
Speaker 2: and they were responsible for many deaths. This is how
54:22
Speaker 2: it was being spinned, right. You had Biden at the
54:25
Speaker 2: time saying, you know, Facebook's killing people because they wanted
54:28
Speaker 2: these accounts of these people to be brought down, to
54:31
Speaker 2: be deplatformed. But yeah, I mean, it's just really Yeah,
54:38
Speaker 2: it's big machinery at work.
54:41
Speaker 1: What do you think Trump knew?
54:44
Speaker 2: Good question. I'd like to get into his mind and
54:48
Speaker 2: know what he knew. But I mean, obviously he's behind,
54:51
Speaker 2: he was behind Operation Warp Speed. I don't think he
54:56
Speaker 2: properly acknowledges the harms at all of the mRNA technology.
55:02
Speaker 2: Perhaps maybe other vaccines I know he's a bit skeptical of,
55:05
Speaker 2: but the MRA technology. No, I don't. Yeah, I mean
55:08
Speaker 2: I'd like to see more accountability there, absolutely, because yeah,
55:12
Speaker 2: it was warp Speed ahead, wasn't it. That was all about,
55:15
Speaker 2: you know, getting it approved as quickly as possible. And
55:20
Speaker 2: again the speaks to Darper's P three platform, which was
55:24
Speaker 2: developing a vaccine within sixty days. And if you think
55:28
Speaker 2: about with Moderna's timeline, they managed to get from genomics
55:32
Speaker 2: sequence to in you know, to being for human trials
55:36
Speaker 2: sixty three days, so they did meet That isn't that interesting?
55:42
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know what to make of Trump. I
55:46
Speaker 1: kind of seem just as this blockhead who doesn't know
55:49
Speaker 1: enough about what is going on, trusts these advisors and
55:52
Speaker 1: just wants to win.
55:56
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I don't think you're you know,
55:59
Speaker 2: you're that's a good opinion to have of him. I
56:01
Speaker 2: don't yeah, I mean, yeah, it's I would like to
56:05
Speaker 2: see more accountability, yes, but you know this is what
56:08
Speaker 2: I Yeah, but to get into people's minds, you know, yeah,
56:12
Speaker 2: can't do that.
56:13
Speaker 1: But do you think do you think, as Katherine Austenforz
56:17
Speaker 1: says that RFK, by joining the government now is unfortunately captured.
56:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know the answers
56:28
Speaker 2: to all of this, you know how it's it's it's
56:31
Speaker 2: not fair for me to sort of give like, oh,
56:33
Speaker 2: he's captured. I do respect RFK a lot r ofk JR.
56:37
Speaker 2: And what he's done and promoting health and all of that.
56:40
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think when you get to
56:43
Speaker 2: the top, your hands become quite tied. Yeah, but I was.
56:48
Speaker 2: I was very happy when he was made head of HHS.
56:52
Speaker 2: You know, I thought brilliant, much better than alex asar right,
56:56
Speaker 2: who was This is what this is when Operation Warp
56:59
Speaker 2: speed and and remember that was evoked the liability shields right.
57:04
Speaker 2: The PREP Act was very early on. This is way
57:08
Speaker 2: before the Vact, you know, this is I think early
57:11
Speaker 2: early twenty twenty February fourth, that PREP Act was invoked
57:15
Speaker 2: by alex Azar, so they were already wanting protect very
57:19
Speaker 2: early on the vaccine manufacturers. So really the big thing
57:24
Speaker 2: here is to get that lifted right. There needs to
57:28
Speaker 2: be like because if you think about it, if you're
57:29
Speaker 2: making a car, any other product, or any other product,
57:33
Speaker 2: if there's no sort of scope for you to get
57:37
Speaker 2: sued if your product is dangerous, what incentive is there
57:41
Speaker 2: for a company to make their product safe? There is
57:45
Speaker 2: absolutely no incentive.
57:49
Speaker 1: All right, I'm looking at the time, Sonya, how can
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Speaker 1: I follow.
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Speaker 2: Your work so people can follow me on x at
57:58
Speaker 2: at Sonya Underscore Elijah. I also have a substack, Sonya
58:02
Speaker 2: Elijah investigates, and I've also written this book through an
58:06
Speaker 2: even viral takeover, which I recommend a good read and
58:11
Speaker 2: to give to a friend as well. So but that's
58:16
Speaker 2: that's how you can find me. And I really appreciate
58:18
Speaker 2: the time today for you interviewing me, Jeremy.
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Speaker 1: It's an absolute pleasure, Sonya Elijah, thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: me in the Trenchers