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Jeff Legwold joins Kreckman and Lindahl 1-26-26 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: We talked to Jeff Legwald on Mondays.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Legwald brought to you by the International Brotherhood of
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  Speaker 2: Electrical Workers IBEW Local sixty eight. You start with a job,
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  Speaker 2: you end with a career, Leggie. I promised it, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm a man of my word. Number thirty in the
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  Speaker 2: opening round of the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, I
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  Speaker 2: can certainly circle some positions of need on this Denver team.
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  Speaker 2: Skill position talent requires an upgrade. You certainly need a
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  Speaker 2: tight end. You certainly need a wide receiver. You're linebacking,
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  Speaker 2: particularly your off ball linebackers probably could use an infusion
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  Speaker 2: of inexpensive production. Number thirty in the opening round of
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  Speaker 2: the draft, Leggie, where are we at?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, kind of a bummer when you succeed
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL. That's kind of a really nice high
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  Speaker 3: second round pick. Well, uh no, I think you know,
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  Speaker 3: having been in the locker room, been out there today,
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  Speaker 3: you know, watching how Sean Payton went through the post
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  Speaker 3: game and all of it. Hard for me to believe
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  Speaker 3: that pick is an offense in some fashion. If if
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  Speaker 3: the board falls that way, they One thing in three
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  Speaker 3: drafts I've noticed is is Sean does stick to the idea.
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  Speaker 3: You know, his his quote is always don't pass on
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  Speaker 3: crystal because you need a blender. You know, they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to take offense no matter what. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: the board falls the way. But you know, if the
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  Speaker 3: board allows it, it's hard for me to believe that
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  Speaker 3: would not be a skill position player, you know, sitting
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  Speaker 3: here one day after the season ended, as I head
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  Speaker 3: to Mobile tomorrow to get started on the draft.
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  Speaker 1: See, it's always draft season with Jeff leg Well.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Jeff, want one name that you consistently
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  Speaker 2: bang the drum for here on this show last year
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  Speaker 2: and look at jehan A Baron was This was almost
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  Speaker 2: a borderline red shirt year for Jade Baron. And I
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  Speaker 2: think he becomes a much bigger part of your defense,
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  Speaker 2: becomes a starter next season.
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  Speaker 1: But man, you gave us the name nick.
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  Speaker 2: Emman worry an awful lot last year during the draft process,
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  Speaker 2: and that dude is a friggin difference maker out there,
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  Speaker 2: and he could be slipping a Super Bowl ring on
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  Speaker 2: in two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, look like scouts always say about
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  Speaker 3: certain players, you know that you don't see many of
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  Speaker 3: those you know on the planet, and you know that
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  Speaker 3: his his combination of length, size, explosiveness, straight line speed.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is all there, and yeah, he was
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  Speaker 3: one of my favorite players on the board. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: we did sort of this redraft exercise at ESPN in
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  Speaker 3: the first two rounds and I was bummed. I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: sneak them. I couldn't get them even in the redraft
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  Speaker 3: when we did it.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, we will get to yesterday's game because there's
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  Speaker 4: plenty to talk about at some point. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: Nate and I were having an interesting discussion in the break.
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  Speaker 4: It saw an interesting quote from Dray green Law today
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  Speaker 4: talking about the difference of Sean Payton life versus the
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  Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan life, and honestly, Peyton, you know, Leggy, Evan
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  Speaker 4: Ingram's role just never really materialized to what I guess
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be after all the chatter,
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  Speaker 4: all the all the lip service during the off season.
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  Speaker 5: Are those two guys that are Denver Broncos next year?
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  Speaker 5: Do they look to save money?
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  Speaker 4: Is that gonna be a one and done kind of scenario?
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  Speaker 4: What would be your guest? If early going?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's early going. I mean that if
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  Speaker 3: they make moves like that they're gonna be football decisions.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're done having to sort of worry about
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  Speaker 3: cap stress at least right at the moment. I think
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  Speaker 3: they have a very manageable situation. You know, Russell's finally
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  Speaker 3: off the books, uh, starting in March, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: they have a pretty much a clean slate to do
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  Speaker 3: what they'd like to do. And they've got, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a nice allotment of draft picks and you know, more
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  Speaker 3: cash than everyone else basically, so I think they're in
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  Speaker 3: position to do what they want. So if you know
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  Speaker 3: they decide, you know, some of the veteran free agents
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  Speaker 3: are one and done's, as it were. I think those
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  Speaker 3: will be football decisions. And you don't make those decisions
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  Speaker 3: unless you have an upgrade, you know, or the plan,
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  Speaker 3: a doable, achievable plan for an upgrade, especially when you
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  Speaker 3: you think you're that close.
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  Speaker 2: Two defensive starters in particular, tell us what this process
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  Speaker 2: is going to look like. John Franklin Myers and Jakewan McMillan,
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  Speaker 2: and I.
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  Speaker 5: Throw in their sternad. Do you think the old under
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  Speaker 5: sternad and add him to the list.
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  Speaker 3: Well, is Jaquan is a restricted free agent? So but
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  Speaker 3: teams have gone away from the tenders because you know,
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  Speaker 3: it used to be tender to guy, you know, early round,
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  Speaker 3: first round, middle round, late round. But these days the
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  Speaker 3: tender you can be cheaper and more cap friendly just
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  Speaker 3: to sign the guy than to make a tender.
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  Speaker 2: So you could give him like theoretically you could give
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  Speaker 2: Ja Kwan like a like a three year twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: or something like that, guarantee eighteen or twenty of it
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and you could save money in the long run.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, against your cap and it wouldn't cost you anymore
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  Speaker 3: cash out the front door normally, So we you know,
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  Speaker 3: certainly you could see that. You know, it's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of what the what's their long term vision
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  Speaker 3: for for Baron? You know, do they see him on
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  Speaker 3: the interior as a slot you know, hybrid or you know,
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  Speaker 3: any of that. And I think they really have to
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  Speaker 3: sit down and firm that up or you know, will
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  Speaker 3: would he go to safety at some point? I think
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  Speaker 3: they really have to figure out a definitive plan. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think his snapcount is indicative. I think it
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  Speaker 3: would be unwise for people to think is snapcount is
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  Speaker 3: indicative of what they think of Barrett and I would
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  Speaker 3: tell people, don't get caught up in it was a
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  Speaker 3: it was a bust. It's not what they wanted. It's
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  Speaker 3: none of that. It's just how it worked out with
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the defense. And they wanted him in
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  Speaker 3: the mix and match role instead of putting him in
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  Speaker 3: at safety when Brandon Jones got hurt. They wanted him
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  Speaker 3: at the dime linebacker when they needed it. They wanted
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  Speaker 3: him at corner when they needed it. It's just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Riley Moss played a thousand snaps this year. That that
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  Speaker 3: kind of durability. You know, they had three thousand snap
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  Speaker 3: players on defense, two of them are in the secondary,
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  Speaker 3: so there wasn't much room for a young guy to
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  Speaker 3: carve out some playing time. Hufanga and Riley Moss were
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  Speaker 3: both thousand snap players, and that that used to be
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  Speaker 3: the neighborhood of Justin Simmons, only you know, each and
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  Speaker 3: every year. So I think things just didn't fall in
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  Speaker 3: terms of playing time. I don't they don't love him
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  Speaker 3: any less than they did last April when they took him.
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  Speaker 1: And then Franklin Myers, Jeff, I think.
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  Speaker 3: He can get more elsewhere. Yeah, you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: I think that's one of those. You know, sure they'd
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  Speaker 3: like him back, you know, but I think they're going
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  Speaker 3: to allow those guys to test the market. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I think they'd like a little more size on the interior.
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  Speaker 3: I think they felt like occasionally they got no matter.
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  Speaker 3: They had such a good year on defense. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it cheapens justin Sternod's you know, pretty big
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  Speaker 3: developmental improvement by saying they need a little more eyes
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  Speaker 3: on the interior. You know, I think both things can
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  Speaker 3: be true. So I think Sternod will probably see what
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  Speaker 3: he can get. Even I think even Alex Singleton will
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  Speaker 3: see what he can get. But they'd certainly like at
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  Speaker 3: their price, you know, to have everybody back. They like
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  Speaker 3: how they played defense, you know, for good reason.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Well, you know, look, what could affect some
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  Speaker 5: of these movies?
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  Speaker 3: I would sorry, Andy, I would just add, I think
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  Speaker 3: Franklin Myers, the situation is as Any is taking a
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  Speaker 3: lot of those snaps, and they really like what he
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  Speaker 3: did with him, So that could that could that could
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  Speaker 3: impact it as well?
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  Speaker 4: What about well, look advance moves, maybe some of these
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  Speaker 4: guys jump with him. What do you think is going
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  Speaker 4: to happen with Vance. It feels like the things have
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  Speaker 4: gone a little quiet on the Vance front. While Davis
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  Speaker 4: Webb got a lot of interviews today, what do you
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  Speaker 4: think is going on with Vance?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Vance had a chance to interview with most everybody
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  Speaker 3: you know in the initial flurry, and you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think he's gonna be you know, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: many offers he'll get formal offers, but I think he's
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  Speaker 3: not gonna just jump at anything too. I think I
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  Speaker 3: think he wants it to be right. It's a at
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  Speaker 3: this point in his career, at his age, it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: do you any good just to take a head coaching job.
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  Speaker 3: You're pretty sure where you're gonna get fired in two
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  Speaker 3: years again because they don't have the infrastructure. So I
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  Speaker 3: think I think it all A lot has to go right,
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  Speaker 3: including getting the right offer from somebody for him to
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  Speaker 3: move on. I know all the players would love for
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  Speaker 3: him to be a head coach because they like him.
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  Speaker 3: But they really want him back, and that was clear
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  Speaker 3: last night after the game and today when I was
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  Speaker 3: out there. They they want that guy back. They want
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  Speaker 3: the best for him, but selfishly they they want him back.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Lagweld with us on a Monday Jeff Lagweld, brought
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  Speaker 2: to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers IBEW
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  Speaker 2: Local sixty eight. Start with a job and with a career. Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: where was that game won by the Patriots yesterday? Where
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  Speaker 2: was it lost by Denver?
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  Speaker 3: Well? I you know, playoff You know, I've been people
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  Speaker 3: sort of you know, it's easy to sort of get
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  Speaker 3: in my caveman mentality, you know, old school and all that.
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  Speaker 3: But playoff games are different. And I'll croak on that
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  Speaker 3: hill because it's true, it will always be true. And
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  Speaker 3: turnovers are the og of metrics. And you know they
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  Speaker 3: lost momentum with the fourth down call and they probably
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  Speaker 3: lost the game at the turnover. Yeah, because in a
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  Speaker 3: playoff game, I mean, think about the Broncos lost their
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl chance because they allowed the Patriots to have
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  Speaker 3: a twelve yard touchdown drive. That is the playoffs in
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  Speaker 3: a nutshell right there.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we'll let you weigh in on the question
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  Speaker 4: of the day. We've gone back and forth. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: to me, Jeff, here's my thing. I think the Broncos
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  Speaker 4: should have kicked the field goal instead of going forward
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  Speaker 4: on fourth and one. One of my reasonings is I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they got a lot of push up front
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  Speaker 4: if you're going to try the QB sneak and you
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  Speaker 4: got a backup quarterback. And look, I'm gonna use your
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  Speaker 4: words to ask the question. You say you need to
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  Speaker 4: coach the team that you have, not the one that
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  Speaker 4: you want. And I know you want bon Nixon there
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  Speaker 4: to run the fourth and one, but you had to
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  Speaker 4: back up in there to fourth and one. And to me,
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  Speaker 4: that's why you don't do it. And of course doesn't
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  Speaker 4: mind it because he's an analytics guy, as he probably
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  Speaker 4: will tell you, and he likes the pedal to the medal.
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  Speaker 4: He's not changed that profile one bit. What did you
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  Speaker 4: think of the decision at that time you were out
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  Speaker 4: at the stadium, neither neither of us were. Was it
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  Speaker 4: the right move at the time? Or what would you
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  Speaker 4: have done with the fourth and one call?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I I you know me personally, I
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  Speaker 3: would have kicked it if I truly had the information
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  Speaker 3: that the weather was coming in. And my understand standing
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  Speaker 3: as both teams had the information that the weather was
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  Speaker 3: coming in, because I specifically asked people about that, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want it to be that you made decisions in
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  Speaker 3: the early in the game because you didn't have the
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  Speaker 3: information in your hand. I mean, they folks knew the
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  Speaker 3: weather was coming in, you know how bad or whatever that's.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can debate that, but you know, the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos knew snow was coming in. So but he obviously
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  Speaker 3: elected the momentum. I personally probably would have kicked it,
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  Speaker 3: but I think going for it the perfect storm happened.
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  Speaker 3: And I think what frustrates me about all these discussions
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  Speaker 3: in the postseason especially, is for too long, all of
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  Speaker 3: us who cover the NFL, who are fans, who who
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  Speaker 3: talk about the NFL, we assume offensive coaches are smarter
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  Speaker 3: than defensive coaches and that defensive coaches can't figure things out.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel won that play. He was smarter on that
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  Speaker 3: play than the Broncos were. Sean Payton expected man to
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  Speaker 3: man coverage, Mike Rabel gave him zone. So when they
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  Speaker 3: ran a pick play that Mike Rabel obviously knew was
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  Speaker 3: coming out of that personnel grouping, they ran a pick
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  Speaker 3: play against zone defense, has no chance to work against
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  Speaker 3: zone defense. Uh, Sean got out smarted. He went for it,
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  Speaker 3: and Mike Brabel on that one play was smarter than
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  Speaker 3: Sean Payton, and that happens. Defensive coaches are bright. They're
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  Speaker 3: just as bright as the play callers on offense. And
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  Speaker 3: sometimes the defense wins. And Mike Rabel won that snap.
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  Speaker 3: They knew the play from the personnel grouping, and they
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  Speaker 3: had the exact right call for it.
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  Speaker 2: That's great and nalls this right there, Jeff kind of
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  Speaker 2: to that point. And and we we have this conversation,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a lot, or at least we talk
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  Speaker 2: around it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Fourth down and.
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  Speaker 2: One, and Peyton even said afterwards they they had a
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  Speaker 2: nickel run call. They called time out, and he went
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  Speaker 2: back into his into his sheet, and he called the
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  Speaker 2: naked boot and and to your point, Rabel solved it.
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  Speaker 2: Zach Kerr and uh and Rabel solved it in that
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  Speaker 2: moment and Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Blew up the play.
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  Speaker 2: How much does Sean Payton, who I think is a
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame worthy play caller, But how much is
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  Speaker 2: Sean Peyton a victim of his cheesecake factory, of a
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  Speaker 2: menu of plays directly in front of him.
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  Speaker 1: That he's he's.
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  Speaker 2: Always he's always looking for something just a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: He's almost he's a like a victim of his own AMBI.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think there. You know, I personally
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  Speaker 3: believe there can be too much, and that a guy
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  Speaker 3: who you know, they're just even having a conversation with
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  Speaker 3: him about football. You can feel how many ideas are
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  Speaker 3: swirling in his head when we talk about when I
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  Speaker 3: ask him, you know, off to the side about football things,
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  Speaker 3: what about this? Look? What do you like about this set?
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  Speaker 3: You can just feel how many permutations he's going through
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  Speaker 3: in his head. And I think that's that's always the
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  Speaker 3: battle for great play callers on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the same things are true on defense. You
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  Speaker 3: you know so much, You've seen so much, and your
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  Speaker 3: desire to, you know, find the open space is so
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  Speaker 3: great that you just can't help yourself sometimes, Like when
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  Speaker 3: I look at the snap and you know, I looked,
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  Speaker 3: I charted the game this morning. Again, when I look
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  Speaker 3: at that snap, I'm a run game guy. I I like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in my world, the Shanahan kubiak is the
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  Speaker 3: unstoppable offense when done properly, especially against I can't even
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  Speaker 3: imagine what Mike Shanahan would do against nickel defenses. Uh
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  Speaker 3: these days. But when I look at that snap with
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  Speaker 3: my run game face on. There is a duo block
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  Speaker 3: to the left that is just unbelievably good. Yep, and
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  Speaker 3: a run and a run play. The nickel run play
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  Speaker 3: is probably going for twenty easily. Uh so.
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  Speaker 2: But you know that's that would have been six zone
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  Speaker 2: pretty good, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the way it goes. It's always it always
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  Speaker 3: looks better from above, you know. That's why I always
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  Speaker 3: look at end zone view when I do my all
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  Speaker 3: twenty two and I'm grading quarterbacks, I go heavy to
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  Speaker 3: the end zone view because it all looks good from
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  Speaker 3: up top. I got no time for all of this. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: look at this open guy over here. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 3: see it from the top. You know, the quarterback doesn't
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  Speaker 3: play above the field. But it's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 3: I think we just have to however you feel about
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  Speaker 3: the math of it and the analytis of it, I
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  Speaker 3: think we just have to say on that one play,
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel got it right. Because he's really smart. He's
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  Speaker 3: a really smart he was a really smart player. He's
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  Speaker 3: a really smart defensive coordinator, and he's a really smart
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  Speaker 3: head coach. And they were reading the Broncos mail on
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  Speaker 3: that play and I think to me, that's the bigger
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  Speaker 3: picture question for Sean Payton. Our people read your mail
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  Speaker 3: because of your personnel groupings. Are people narrowing your playbook
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  Speaker 3: because of who you play? When you know, when little
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Humphrey and Pat Bryant are in the formation at
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  Speaker 3: the same time with Adam Troutman, does the play sheet
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  Speaker 3: go from sixty to ten? I mean, are they figuring
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  Speaker 3: you out? That's the dilemma for the Broncos this offseason.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jeff leg Wall of VESPN, Leggie, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you have deadlines and things to post, but we have
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  Speaker 2: more questions. So we're gonna take a break. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: come back. We got to talk about Jared Stidham's performance
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  Speaker 2: with you. We're gonna talk about a fourth and one measurement.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Jeff, just get in the car and get over here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, you're fine, Just hang out and we
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  Speaker 2: have more questions for you coming up next. Jeff Legwall
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  Speaker 2: to ESPN as as we break down the post mortem
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  Speaker 2: on the AFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 1: So keep it here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's jump back into it here with Jeff Legwald
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  Speaker 2: on L to Dude Sports Radio ninety two five Leggy
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  Speaker 2: u Sean's game plan for Jared Stidham and the execution
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  Speaker 2: of said game plan. How did it all go besides
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  Speaker 2: you know backwards pass fumble, well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I thought, you know, it was pretty telling
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  Speaker 3: that when they were on the script, you know, they
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: they moved the ball very well. Yeah, so I think
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  Speaker 3: they they obviously had the right idea coming out of
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: the gate. And that's not something they've been always good
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  Speaker 3: at this year either, you know, coming out of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: half or opening games have not been there have not
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: always been their strength this year. So you know, when
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you see a team move the ball like that, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the big play to Mems that was a well scouted
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: look and they caught you know, like Rabel won the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: fourth down play the Broncos had that one. That was
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: that they isolated what they wanted to and and Mims
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you know, ran right.
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  Speaker 1: By Christian Gonzalez, which is why.
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  Speaker 3: And that's yeah, and he's he's a really really good player,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: but he got caught looking a little bit and Marvin
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: went right by him. And you know, it's funny, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: it's it's doesn't have anything to do with anything but
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: from a football perspective. All of the defenders tell me
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: how Marvin is what they call a glider, like you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: don't think he's that fast when he's coming up on you,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and then suddenly he's he's out the gate, and that
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: that was really evident on that play. Gonzales obviously felt
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: like he could flip his hips and have no problem,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: but Mims was already gone, and that it made me
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: think of that yesterday. How many Bronco defenders have told
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: me in camp that that's Marvin's great skill is that
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: he looks like he's not in fourth gear, but he
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: really is.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Ah, Jeff, so much tune back from yesterday real quick.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't they give him more snaps? Then?
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: You know, you're you know, you're triggering me right now,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I knowing both.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Of us, you know, I mean, look anyway.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: It's the it's the great mystery of life that uh.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at his yardage in the postseason compared
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to the regular season because they had to play them,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: you know, they had so many injuries. They finally had
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to play them, and you know all he did was
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: come up with big catch after a big catch. JK.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Dobbins, do you think he's gonna be kept around. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: know he professed his love for the Broncos today. Do
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you think there's any idea if they'll see see it
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the same way? I mean, listen, he was an effective back.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I know you got to figure out if the injury
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: is going to be there. But I can imagine that
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: guy doesn't have you know, a lot of suitors that
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: he's going to be able to ask a big price
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: for him.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Could there be a marriage.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Here, certainly, but you know it's always price andy, even
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: even for a team with the cash reserves of the Broncos.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: They're gonna They're not just gonna, you know, throw it
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: around for for no reason, you know, but it's only
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: an injury question for them. His production is not a question.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, he led the team in rushing by two
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: hundred yards and he hadn't played since November sixth. You know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: he led the team in ten plus yard you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: ten plus yard runs, had seven more than the next
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: running back, and he hasn't played since November sixth, So
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: production not a question in the least. And does anybody
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: in their right mind really believe if JK. Dobbins is
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: in uniform yesterday the Broncos aren't going to the super Bowl.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what has certainly been helpful. Speaking of the run game,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Jeff the fourth and one Drake may Tush push with
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the two d linemen on the field, you know, they
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: signal first down, they give him first down. Sean Payton
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: challenges the spot. You almost never see those overturned or
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: anything else like that. But as you looked back on it,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you saw the overhead view that obviously the Broncos staff
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: had had a look at right there. It's almost an
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: impossible question answer, but did the official did the officiating
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: crew get it right?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Well? I don't. I don't think the officiating crew agreed.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Right after the play, the guy on top, the down
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: official up top uh marked him as short and the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: down official who ran in from the from the Broncos
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: side of the field gave it to him and for
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, they deferred. But I thought the guy up
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: top got it right. I didn't think he got it,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: but you know, again, Uh, it's just one of those,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you know, archaic ways.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: What's funny about it too, though, is like the call,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like the TV copy, I was like, I think he
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: got it, but then that overhead shot, it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Was like did he get it. I don't know if
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: he got because you can see the ball a little
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: bit there.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I was lasered in on that one. I thought that
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the guy up top got it right, yeah, after the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: initial because sometimes you know, they've marked the ball, both
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: guys have run in and they're they're going to dig
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the ball out from the pile to to put it
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: down where the where the down official has come. Uh.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: But sometimes in doing that that the guy with the
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: ball is inching forward because there's everybody's still flopping. Yeah,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: so the play is really over, but the ball is
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: still making progress. And I've seen many times over my
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: career where that progress is the post play progress.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: As it were, is awarded and the players are going
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to get coached to do that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why not? I mean, it's it's plus it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: some of it's just the dynamics of moving twenty mammoth
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: people out of a you know, a scrum. The guy
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: with the ball is going to flop around and roll over.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: You know, he might move forward or when he does that, there's.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Got to be technology that helps.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Is the least ball that lights up the goal sticks
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: or something, so at least then you could put here's
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the light up?
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Where's the knee? Was it down? I mean, you get's
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: something something.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: But I don't you know, I don't get you worked
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: up about these things only because like you just laid out.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: There, these guys on a pile. Now the hell? How
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the hell is the ref? Who's there?
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Are fifty yards out from where they play, twenty five
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: yards out for where the play is even happening.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Why do we think anybody sees anything in there?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Now? You can like go on the on the web
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and sign on and look at pictures from the Mars
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: rover that are crystal clear. Sure can't. We can't find
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: a way to not use the chain to measure a
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: first down in the NFL. It is an amazing uh.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: I mean I I've been doing this my whole adult life,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: as I always say, and sometimes I'm amazed that the
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: things they pick to to dig in about, and the
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: chain is just one of those things that sort of
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: amazes me.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Ah, Jeff Davis Webb, are we seeing him for the
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: last time on the Broncos sideline? Do you think if
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: it's not a head coach, it's an OC job? I mean,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: how much of this is just kind of noising people
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: loving the name, and how much is real do you
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: think about him being a hot candidate for truly jumping
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: to a head coach position.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Probably both. Sometimes, as much as teams always say they
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: they do their own thing, there is a bit of
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: a group think. If suddenly somebody looks like a very,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: very hot candidate and you haven't interviewed him, people don't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: want to have to answer that question to their owner later.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So, Jeff, that's because the owners are all clicking on
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: ESPN dot com, reading the hot candidate.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Reading the Jeff Lagwald article.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: They read the same stuff that all of us dopes do,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and then they call their football people. I think you
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: better talk to that guy. It's it's not as high
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: level as it looks to everybody.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Not always. You know, teams are using more search firms
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: than all of these people. You know, frankly, I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: they're they're taking a lot of their money to give
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: them the same list of candidates they would have had
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: on their own. Uh. But that's just the nature of
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the They got plenty of money, you know that. It's
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: not a worry for them. But do we.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Start one of those That's right, I'm jumping ahead a little.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Soulting for but I, you know, I honestly, whether it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: this year or next year or whatever, if if Davis
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: wants to call plays, he is almost certainly going to
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: have to leave, unless Sean Payton shocks everyone who knows
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: him and suddenly decides maybe it's time I hand the
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: keys over to somebody. But you know, I don't get
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: a sense.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: He bristled at that big time, you know, when we
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: broached it earlier this season, just kind of on a lark, like, hey,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: would you ever think about you know, and he clapped
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: back pretty hard on that. So you know, if Famous
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Web wants to call plays in his coaching career, he
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: is probably like much like Gary Kubiak to leave the Broncos.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: You know, if you you know, if if you want
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: to call more than some preseason games in an occasional
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: two minute drill, you're probably gonna have to leave.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He's Jeff Legwald.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Everybody ESPN dot com read all of his coverage of
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the AFC Championship and the impending off season and draft
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: coverage at ESPN dot com. We got a lot of
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: time to be talking about it over the next few months.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Just tip of the Iceberg today. Jeff, excellent work all
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: season long. We'll talk to you Friday man.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Thanks Bellers, appreciate you.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: That's Jeff Legwald with us right there on a Monday afternoon.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Like Jeff said, he is off tomobile to begin draft preparation.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: By the way, I guess Lombardi's never leaving. He's not
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: calling plays.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't see him get an interview.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: I didn't either. He's just like, yes, what I do now?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: He doesn't here Andy, he doesn't even get named. They
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: don't show him on TV. Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe he's the smart one. Maybe he's got
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the best gig in all of football. Yeah, just just
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: hang out and do whatever it is that he does
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to help Sean finish his menu every single week.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he laminates it. Maybe that's he's the one
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that rights run the ball and Sean just.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Never sees it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: It doesn't Maybe that's why it goes down the way
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: it does.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You should have written it in silver and highlight.
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• 29:43
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• 29:48
  Speaker 1: When we come back.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, really, are we not going to do one that
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: shocked the world. It's on here. Uh there's a last one?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Who is there?
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, okay, I I was gonna ask Jeff for explanation.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I I, uh wait a minute, I hadn't seen this.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hey, show up for number one, but you
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: better stay till number five.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: That's all I gotta say.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You know, Andy, for a minute there yesterday, I thought
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Jared Stidham kind of looked like that guy. It's the
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