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Lessons - Learning, Evolving, and Winning the Long Game | Eric Siu - CEO of Single Grain, Author of Leveling Up · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  In this lessons episode, you'll explore power-ups, which are key habits and mental models for success.
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  Learn the value of an apprentice mentality, iterating on ideas and embracing endurance to
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  overcome challenges. Discover why mindset is key to thriving in both personal and professional life.
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  Let's break down some of the lessons that you've learned over your career that you speak about
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  in this book. There's a 15 different chapters. There's a whole lesson per chapter.
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  For the value of people listening, pick your favorite ones that you want to speak about.
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  I don't know which ones you'd like to touch on, but I'm sure there's a few favorites that you love,
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  and we can go into those and unpack what those are and how those can help you succeed.
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  Yeah, totally. There's 15 power-ups in the book, and power-ups to me are, again,
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  like I mentioned, they're either habits that you cultivate or mental models, such as understanding
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  things like second-order consequences and things like that. There are different tools that you can
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  go around collecting, just like you would in the gaming world. Now, I talk about 15 in the book,
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  it's just a very beginning. There's a lot more than 15 power-ups in the world, and you have to
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  there's positive power-ups and there's negative power-ups, right? You eat too much fast food,
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  then you end up, your body goes in a different direction, right? And so one of the chapters
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  is titled Thevery. I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance around it because us as human
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  beings, we like to think, I'm original, right? We hold this thing to be very sacred,
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  and I think it's important to understand that even Apple, the most valuable company in the world,
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  you know, when Steve Jobs came out with the mouse, and the graphical user interface gets who
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  he stole it from, stole it from Xerox, right? And so even him, he said in life, everything is just
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  a rewix. And when you think about SpaceX and Elon Musk's rockets coming back to Earth,
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  the rocket design is still fundamentally the same foundational design as from the 50s or the 60s,
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  right? The big difference is they come back to Earth. And so Picasso himself has said that
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  everything in life, great artist steel, right? And so it's like, oh my god, I don't want to
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  steal, I don't want to be a thief, but reality is those of you listening to this podcast right now,
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  you're trying to get at least one nugget from it, and you're trying to apply it to your life.
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  And so your life is just, you're going around collecting all these nuggets, and then maybe you're
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  making a 10 to 30% iteration, right? Like that iteration for bringing the rocket back to Earth,
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  that's a massive iteration, right? It's not easy to do by any means, but he had to combine, you know,
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  Elon and his entire team had to think about, okay, you know, how, what are all the dynamics that are
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  at play and how can we make this work, right? So there's a game within itself there. So my point is,
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  you know, I think the sooner people let go of the pressure of having to be completely original,
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  the easier it's going to be for people to kind of move on and make the best version of themselves,
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  which is in itself, you know, very original. We're all original. We're all kind of one of one.
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  Yeah, and I would say that to constantly think that the things that we have to do in life or
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  take to market, or like, let's, let's look at it from an entrepreneurship lens. If you want to,
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  if you want to do something that's slightly outside of whatever your nine to five is, or if you
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  already are trying to take a product to market, there's, there's sort of two ways you can go about
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  it, right? You can, you can go for that, that blue ocean where you're taking something to market
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  that's never, ever been done before, or you can just iterate in an existing market and be wildly
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  successful. So there's something to be said for not making life harder than it has to be for you,
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  either, right? And you'll still be successful. You'll still be revered and you'll still be,
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  like you're not, you're not, like you said, not thieving in a bad way, but just iterating on what
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  people have already done. And I think that's something that also probably lends a little bit of insight
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  to your apprentice mentality, learning from others as well. It's not obviously in the same context,
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  not thieving, but it's not like just learning and iterating, but it's also making sure that you don't
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  have to go through all the failures and that other people have already learned from, right?
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  Yep, totally. I mean, so it's, you know, the apprentice mentality is really just, you know,
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  understanding that you're never going to be too high on yourself or never going to be too low on
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  yourself. It's, it's understanding that, you know, you can have strong views, but you should just
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  hold them very weekly. And if you present it with new data and new information to be, be ready to
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  adjust on the fly, because the more ego that you, that you develop, the more, the more you're
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  going to be stuck in your ways, but the world's evolving so quickly, especially with all the stuff we
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  see with technology. So it's, so apprentice, apprentice mentality, I don't want to get it twisted.
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  So it's not, it's not just you going out towards and going, finding mentors and getting people to
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  help you out. It's truly, I understand what you're saying now. So it's, it's just having this,
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  this humble, this humble persona that allows you to accept learnings from other people, right?
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  It's more than just finding mentors. Okay. I mean, like, you know, when I, so for example,
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  I've been hanging out a lot in clubhouse, but when I, when I go into the rooms, you know, I try to
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  listen and I try to be the, the, the idiot in the room, right? So when I approach things from an
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  idiot, kind of a, or apprentice, I'm not gonna say, you know, apprentice or idiots, but like, I'll
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  take it even further, right? I'll use an extreme word to say, Oh, look, I'm not so smart. I have a lot
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  to learn, but you know, sometimes I'll see people join the room and there's a lot of bravado,
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  there's a lot of ego. And you can tell they're closed off to listening. They're closed off to
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  learning. It's, it's my way or the highway. In some cases, they might be large influencers.
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  And, you know, but, you know, they haven't learned to kind of, maybe they might have had the
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  apprentice mentality at one point, but they haven't dialed it back and kept that habit going,
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  right? They haven't cultivated or, or more so refreshed that habit over and over. Yeah. And, and
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  I think that the most successful people, at least the people that I've found in my life that are
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  the most successful that could be worth multi-million or billion dollar plus in total net worth,
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  those are the people like when you do speak to them when they constantly have successes and wins,
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  you can see that the second they implant themselves into into a group, they they immediately just
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  like they just want as much information as possible. And I think that the people you're speaking
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  about, I think it's probably a little bit more prolific on clubhouse just because if clubhouse
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  in some of the rooms, not all of them, on some of them. And I know you're like, I watch all your
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  stuff, I follow you on social, you're always on clubhouse, always speaking about clubhouse. I think
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  that there's a lot of people that kind of flex on clubhouse a little bit more than they should.
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  And that doesn't help anybody, right? It's, you know, it's not going to, it's not going to help them,
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  but I think they put a ceiling on their success 100% because I mean, yeah, I love sharing the numbers,
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  right? You know, what I mean clubhouse, but I don't do it to flex and I always try to preface that,
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  like, this is not to brag. This is just say, hey, this is what's possible, but it also takes this
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  amount of time to get there. So I come from a position of trying to be transparent, but teaching
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  as well. But I think to your point, when you're just flexing about, oh, you have, you know, you bought
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  this company, this, this public brand over here, and then you, you, you took this company public or
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  whatever, you know, how helpful is that really? Or are you just, is that more ego than anything?
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  Like how helpful is that generally? It's not going to help many people who want to do something
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  more with their life or, you know, start a side hustle, like they're not, most people are not
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  trying to take a company public. Most people are just trying to do better at what they're doing,
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  right? They, you know, maybe IPO is a plan for some, but I think the majority of people would
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  learn more from a chat with you than somebody who just lists off the company to take a public or,
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  you know, the, the success they've achieved is great. It provides credibility, but it doesn't actually
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  offer tactical or tangible insight or lessons that somebody can take away, right? Like you mentioned
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  that nugget. People listen to podcasts, they want to nugget. They want them to take away and they
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  can do tomorrow, really. If you just keep flexing, it's not going to help anybody. And I think that
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  that's something that does it, you know, it's almost like those are the people, even if they have
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  had success, I prefer not to learn from them just because I know that where their heads at, where
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  their minds at is not in the place where they're going to accept other points of view, accept other
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  opinions. And actually, it's funny because you see people that were wildly, wildly successful,
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  you know, the monetarily successful or what otherwise. And over the past 20 years, they become
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  irrelevant, right? Those are the people that just, they, they had success and they became
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  completely irrelevant because I think they never had this. I've never heard a famous way,
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  but a practice mentality. That's a very, very, very smart point. Now, these, these, these level ups,
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  these, these power ups are these mindsets or are some of them actual behavioral items or like
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  daily routine items that you can, that you can do to sort of accomplish that 1% day over day.
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  Yeah, some of it is mindset. So we have one on endurance, right? So that's really, you know,
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  how much pain can you take because any level of success you're hoping to achieve,
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  you know, pain is a prerequisite, right? I think people tend to run away from the pain,
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  but reframe your mind into running towards it and getting through it, right? You know, there's a lot
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  of people, like when you're thinking about starting a new business or whatever, you know,
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  you go through imposter syndrome, that's part of you have to endure that. There's the startup,
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  the startup kind of, you know, that one or two or three years that it takes to get things going,
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  right? Just things don't work out the right way initially. Things don't go as planned. Maybe
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  let's some type of pandemic it's like just things don't work out, right? But it's you have to learn
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  to endure. And so I learned a lot of that from from poker, having to endure, like sometimes you
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  have swings where you lose for could be three, six, 12 months at a time and you just have to learn
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  to deal with it and then be patient and choose how you how you react to that, right? So some of
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  its mindset, some of it would be, you know, habits, but you know, it's what they say that the cliche
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  you hear over and over is, you know, oh, it's all about mindset at the end of the day. You hear
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  it from a lot of kind of self-development people. And it's actually true. It's how you're programmed
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  at the end of the day. That's how I like to think of it. You know, what type of information are
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  you consuming? And that's really good at programming you. That's going to guide you. Who are you hanging
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  out with, right? That is your programming. And that's going to say how you decide to do things in the
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