Latest / The Mental Healness Podcast / THE INTIMACY TRAP: How Narcissists Weaponize the Bedroom
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- 0:01So boom, you could be fighting all day, but the moment you get
- 0:06behind closed doors, it's like the narcissist becomes an
- 0:09entirely different person. Like they take the mask off,
- 0:12they change their whole they, they, they take that, they take
- 0:15their personality off and leave it, leave it in the floor by the
- 0:18door. You feel like you finally feel
- 0:22seen, you feel wanted and you think this is the real damn,
- 0:27this is who I love fell in love with.
- 0:30This is the real person. But as someone is diagnosed with
- 0:33NPD, I'm here to tell you it's a weapon.
- 0:38Today we're talking about the intimacy trap and why the
- 0:41bedroom is often the hardest place to go no contact with a
- 0:44narcissist and how narcissist the people can use the the
- 0:48bedroom. Boom, to control you, to
- 0:51manipulate you or, and, or to punish you as well.
- 0:55Because that happens too, right? You get into these situations
- 0:58where you get punished for what what?
- 1:01You get punished for wanting intimacy.
- 1:03You get punished for your wanting your partner to care for
- 1:06you or be there for you or something along those lines.
- 1:08You get punished. And I know people don't want to
- 1:11be, people don't want to be punished.
- 1:12And I know that this sucks right there when you're dealing with
- 1:14somebody who does this type of stuff, but this is what goes on.
- 1:17This is part of what happens. You you're dealing with a
- 1:20narcissistic person. Yeah.
- 1:22So you don't. What about having scares?
- 1:26What do you mean scares? What type of scares and whatnot?
- 1:28I'm gonna might be a little confused about the scares part,
- 1:33but yeah, we're gonna hop right into it.
- 1:34Y'all. Is it that good or is it your
- 1:38only connection? Is the bedroom stuff that good?
- 1:45Is it really that good or is it your only connection that you
- 1:48have to this person? Is the only time that you might
- 1:51feel seen or heard by this person?
- 1:53Is that it right there? Is it that good or is it your
- 1:57only connection? Now some of y'all might say,
- 2:01well Lee, it is that good. I'm here to tell you that, Lee,
- 2:06it is that good. And da da, da da.
- 2:08Yeah, I think you could be right.
- 2:10But sometimes it's, it's a myth. It's a myth for many survivors
- 2:13of, for many survivors of narcissistic abuse or a toxic
- 2:17relationship dynamic, the bedroom, you might feel like
- 2:20it's the only safe zone that you have.
- 2:22Like the narcissistic person knows this, right?
- 2:24They know they use the physical high to erase the emotional low
- 2:29of the rest of the day. So again, I ask you, is it
- 2:32really that good? Or is it your only connection to
- 2:36them? Is it the only time you feel
- 2:38connected to this person at all? Because if it's the only
- 2:40connection, of course it's going to make it feel that much
- 2:44better. Of course you're going to be
- 2:46like, well, hell yeah, at least it is that good.
- 2:48That's why. Right?
- 2:50Of course that's what's going to happen.
- 2:51Of course you're going to say that because that's a big part
- 2:54of it. That's a big piece of it, you
- 2:55know? So if it's your only connection,
- 2:59of course you're going to think that it is better than what it
- 3:02actually is. That's what happens, right?
- 3:05So that's something you got to think about too.
- 3:07Is it really that good? Or is it the only time you feel
- 3:10seen by this person? Is it the only time you feel
- 3:13heard by this person? Is that it right there?
- 3:16Is it? You know what I mean?
- 3:18That's something you got to say like that's important to
- 3:23recognize, y'all. That is absolutely going to be
- 3:25important. What is going on, Rayanne?
- 3:27You know, that's going to be important to recognize.
- 3:29That's something to think about as well.
- 3:31So the the next thing that comes about is the high and the crash.
- 3:37Like y'all know the bedroom stuff, the clapping cheeks.
- 3:40As I as I say, sometimes it's a chemical addiction right?
- 3:44Your brain get is getting flooded with dopamine and
- 3:48oxytocin and cheeks, the cheeks sounds and all the other stuff
- 3:52which all all this stuff, all this good stuff that happened in
- 3:55there. It kind of like temporarily
- 3:58blurs the red flags, you know, it blurs the red flags.
- 4:03It makes them seem like everything is going to be OK
- 4:05because now you feel seen. Now you feel heard, right?
- 4:08And then you get, you come to realize that when it's all over
- 4:11and it's all said and done and they start to treat you or to
- 4:13retreat, they start to treat you horribly or retreat from you,
- 4:16you start to realize that you're not addicted to them.
- 4:19You're addicted to the the relief that you feel in this
- 4:23moment. Yes, cheek sounds.
- 4:26You're addicted to the relief that you feel in this moment.
- 4:28You feel like, well damn, I finally feel seen and heard and
- 4:31da, da, da, da, da. So that's important to recognize
- 4:33that as well. You ain't.
- 4:35I meant heard, not that. Yeah, I got you.
- 4:36But that's important to recognize that part as well,
- 4:39y'all, because this is a piece of it.
- 4:42It really, truly is a big piece of what ends up happening.
- 4:45What ends up going on. It really is.
- 4:48So that's something to consider as you're moving forward against
- 4:53this narcissistic toxic person or whatever, right?
- 4:56That's something to really think about.
- 4:59Like when when it comes to the intimacy or the lack thereof,
- 5:02you get into your mind, you're like, OK, was it really that
- 5:05good? Or was it the only time I felt
- 5:09seen and heard by this person? So it made it that much better
- 5:12and because it's the only time I felt seen and heard by this
- 5:15person, I wanted it more and more from this person because
- 5:18now I feel like you see me, you hear me, you touch me, you feel
- 5:21me, blah blah blah Boo Boo Boo BBB.
- 5:25So you get to that space as well.
- 5:27You know, you get into that situation as well.
- 5:30It's the intimate, that reinforcement as the
- 5:31breadcrumbing Actually just did a video about breadcrumbing on
- 5:33my on my channel. So actually just did a video
- 5:36literally about breadcrumbing on my YouTube channel.
- 5:38If y'all haven't seen it yet and whatnot.
- 5:41So this was going on. Somebody said in the beginning
- 5:44it was amazing and then it started becoming quite robotic.
- 5:46The love started to fade on my end.
- 5:48Yep, That's part of what happened.
- 5:50Yeah. I'm just being real with you.
- 5:51That is part of what happens. Like, because you in the
- 5:54beginning, of course, doing a love bombing fade.
- 5:55Some people, some people do I I look, I call it, I call it SEX
- 6:00bombs, right? You get bombed with the bedroom
- 6:06stuff, especially in the beginning.
- 6:07So you get you like, damn, I'm getting this is the best I ever
- 6:10had. And then slowly but surely that
- 6:12narcissistic person starts to reel it away.
- 6:15They started to take it away, right?
- 6:18They started to take it away and things just change up.
- 6:21Things feel different. That's where that's the way it
- 6:23goes. That's the way it ends up
- 6:25happening. So things feel different.
- 6:26Things feel like they're going on and on and on.
- 6:29They remove it, they remove it. So then when they remove it, you
- 6:33enter what people refer to as the punishment phase, right?
- 6:36If you, if you, this is the punishment, punishment favorite
- 6:39with the intimacy stuff. If you do something that we
- 6:42don't like, if you do something that a narcissist does not like,
- 6:45right? The first thing that a
- 6:47narcissist takes away is affection.
- 6:50It's the easy thing to take away.
- 6:52They just remove the affection. They take it away, they strip it
- 6:56away from you, they strip it, look, they strip it down to the
- 6:59studs. They take that away from you.
- 7:02So when they take the affection away, of course you're going to
- 7:05feel a certain type of way, right?
- 7:07You're going to feel unwanted. You're going to feel unseen,
- 7:09you're going to feel unheard. They're So they're going to
- 7:11remove that first appreciate that, Shamir.
- 7:13They're going to remove the intimacy first, the infection,
- 7:16the first. No more hugging, no more
- 7:17kissing, no more anything. No more clapping of the cheeks.
- 7:21Who's that right there? Yes.
- 7:22They become as cold as ice. That's what happens.
- 7:26They become seriously as cold as ice, you know, and they're you
- 7:30don't you no longer recognize the partner that once made you
- 7:33feel good, the partner that once made you smile.
- 7:35The part of the these, the promise to take care of you.
- 7:37You don't see it anymore, right? So they take the affection away.
- 7:40Like when they take it away, they damn near try to make you
- 7:44earn it back, right? It's like they put you on the
- 7:47payroll. You got to like, you know, you
- 7:48know how you start working a a new job, You got to earn your
- 7:51benefits. You have like you had a 90, you
- 7:53had a 90 day probationary period before you can get a health
- 7:55insurance or dental, right? You got a tooth infection.
- 7:58You're like, man, my, my damn teeth.
- 7:59But to fall out, I need to get this insurance now I got to wait
- 8:0190 days to get insurance. I got to trust me, you got it.
- 8:05You got to work for it back, right?
- 8:06You got to work back for it. You got to earn it back.
- 8:10So this turns your basic human need for connection and
- 8:13affection. They turn that into a reward
- 8:16system that they themselves, that the narcissist controls
- 8:20your basic wants and needs, turn into a reward system where they
- 8:23take control of you. They do this type of stuff, you
- 8:26know what I mean? And everything, that's what goes
- 8:28on. That's what ends up happening.
- 8:29That's the piece in the space that so many people fall into,
- 8:32right? They can be cold and
- 8:34unaffectionate while still having SEX with you.
- 8:36Absolutely true. Lanelle, you hit the nail on the
- 8:39head right here. Like 100% true.
- 8:42They can be. They can.
- 8:43Just because they do it with you does not mean they're going to
- 8:46be affectionate. Some people just like turn
- 8:48around and take it, don't say a word, don't look at me.
- 8:52I got needs and you got to fulfill those needs.
- 8:55I don't care how you feel about it.
- 8:56And that shit up right? And then if you say no, you're
- 9:00the bad guy. Then if you say no, you're
- 9:02withholding affection. If you say no, you don't want to
- 9:05give it to him. That's why I chewed on you.
- 9:06You see what I'm saying? That's what ends up happening.
- 9:09That's what could absolutely happen.
- 9:11There's so many people are in this situation.
- 9:13It absolutely could. So that's something you got to,
- 9:15you kind of got to defend yourself against and guard
- 9:17yourself against as well. Like, seriously.
- 9:20And shout out to Lashawn, who are joining the channel
- 9:21membership. Appreciate you.
- 9:24But that happened. I'd say this next time.
- 9:27Way to do the trauma. Yeah.
- 9:28Oh, he began SA ING you. Oh, that's an evil bastard.
- 9:31Oh, that's evil. Oh, he's an evil bastard.
- 9:35You see what I'm saying? That's the evil bastard right
- 9:36there. And sometimes, like when you
- 9:41deal with a narcissistic person, they do give you the cold
- 9:43shoulder, right? Have you ever felt closer than
- 9:47ever to a narcissist, right? And then 10 minutes or what 10
- 9:50minutes later, they act like they don't even know who you
- 9:52are. That's the power play.
- 9:54It leaves you confused and chasing the high again, right?
- 9:5810 minutes later, like after y'all have just done something
- 10:01now they're acting like you don't exist.
- 10:06They're acting like you don't exist, like you don't matter.
- 10:08They, they turn around, they turn over and go to sleep.
- 10:11They're like you're over there sleeping, burping, farting,
- 10:15they're doing everything else and they sleep and you, you over
- 10:18there unfulfilled and feeling like a piece of meat, right?
- 10:22That's what be happening. They just take everything away.
- 10:26So in in essence, y'all you, what you have to do next y'all
- 10:29is you have to reclaim your power.
- 10:30Y'all know that's why y'all know that's all I'm about is
- 10:33absolutely reclaiming your power.
- 10:36You, you have to, you have to reclaim your power for a
- 10:38narcissistic person. So in order to reclaim your
- 10:41power, the first thing you have to do is recognize the cycle.
- 10:44Like you have to see it for what it is, not what it ain't, not
- 10:48what you think it is. You have to see it for exactly
- 10:51what it is. It's a transaction.
- 10:54Like most things with narcissistic people, it's a
- 10:57transactional relationship. Physical intimacy is a
- 11:00transaction with a narcissist. It just is, right?
- 11:06It is a transaction with a narcissist.
- 11:08If it's not like if it's not consistent outside the bedroom,
- 11:12it's not real inside the bedroom.
- 11:13So if they're only touching you and showing you affection behind
- 11:16closed doors, then you see what I'm saying?
- 11:19If they're only showing you affection behind closed doors,
- 11:22that's in and of itself should show you what's going on right
- 11:25there, right? That should show you that it's
- 11:27not necessarily a real dynamic. They're not.
- 11:29They don't hug and kiss you or talk to you outside of outside
- 11:32the bedroom. But now you're outside the
- 11:34bedroom. Now you're inside the bedroom.
- 11:35Now they won't be touchy feely. You see, that's not real
- 11:37intimacy. That's just fake.
- 11:38That's situational. It's like situational intimacy,
- 11:41right? I was the main supplier for 28
- 11:43years. 28 years is a long time. Distance is key.
- 11:46Yeah, distance is key. Distance is also a boundary,
- 11:49right? Even distance, like distance in
- 11:52the bedroom, distance in the relationship.
- 11:53I'll show you this in the house, what's going on.
- 11:56That's important right there. And after you kind of recognize
- 11:58the cycle, yeah, you got to, you got to detox your body from this
- 12:02narcissistic person. You absolutely have to detox
- 12:05your body. You have to go through a a toxic
- 12:07detox and what not when you're dealing people like this.
- 12:11And like, because healing from narcissistic abuse, healing from
- 12:14this emotional withdrawal or whatever, it requires a physical
- 12:18and emotional detox. You have to realize that your
- 12:21body's hunger for them that that what feel what, what could feel
- 12:25like an addiction to them, an your body's hunger or obsession
- 12:31and what could feel like an addiction to them.
- 12:34It isn't really for them. It's for the stability that
- 12:37they're refusing to give you. It's for the stuff that they're
- 12:40refusing to give you. That's what ends up going on.
- 12:43What's going on. That's what that's what ends up
- 12:45going on. Sleep.
- 12:46Yeah, yeah. Sleep pisses them off.
- 12:48No contact is the detox I'm doing.
- 12:50Good for you, good for you, 'cause that can be helpful.
- 12:54Detoxing like the no contact detox can absolutely be helpful
- 12:56when you're dealing with somebody like this.
- 12:58So you have to be able to detox from them, 'cause like, think
- 13:02about like this. Your body isn't a playground for
- 13:06someone who doesn't respect your heart.
- 13:11Your body is not a playground for someone who does not respect
- 13:14your heart. You have to reclaim your space.
- 13:17You absolutely have to. And reclaiming your heart means
- 13:21maybe going no contact like Shamira said, right?
- 13:24Maybe going no contact, maybe joining a support group, maybe
- 13:27doing a one-on-one, maybe reading a book, maybe doing some
- 13:30self-care. That's what it means that that's
- 13:32what ends up happening right there y'all.
- 13:33Like seriously that seriously, y'all should go check out the
- 13:36the YouTube short, the YouTube short I just posted about
- 13:39self-care. You know, like physical
- 13:41self-care is a YouTube short. I just posted it called so it's
- 13:44about taking control back. Go check that out because it can
- 13:47help you understand what you're going through in this situation.
- 13:49Y'all, It really, really came. So I had a few minutes for AQ
- 13:52and a y'all if I have some questions.
- 13:54My camera is doing something funky right now.
- 13:55I see it and I don't want to just stay on there too long.
- 13:58It's true. You have the detox.
- 13:59Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, make sure also to
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- 14:14Mental illness.net. self-care is extremely important.
- 14:18It absolutely. self-care is absolutely. self-care is so
- 14:23important on your journey. It really is.
- 14:26Outside of support groups, no contact was easy physically
- 14:29because he's on. No, he's on no contact for five
- 14:32years after court closed. But at the same time, mentally,
- 14:35they're still contacting my brain.
- 14:36Even after a year. It's still in trouble.
- 14:37Yeah. It's going to take time, right?
- 14:39It's going to take time. One day you might wake up and
- 14:42not feel better, Right? But it's going to take time.
- 14:47Read my comment before I send the word.
- 14:48Sleep. It pissed him off.
- 14:50Sleep. Oh, when he would act like I
- 14:53didn't exist after doing it, I would satisfy myself.
- 14:55Satisfy myself while he's pretending to be sleep.
- 14:57Oh, they're lower. I know he I know they might have
- 14:59messed with his head right there.
- 15:00I know they might have messed with his head.
- 15:01Daddy, I have his child and still go no contact.
- 15:04I don't. Yeah, just protect your peace
- 15:06right there. Right, Because sometimes you
- 15:08just don't want to go no contact.
- 15:09And like, I'm not saying you're doing this, but they can claim
- 15:13if you block them, they can try to claim parental alienation.
- 15:15Like she don't let me talk to my baby.
- 15:17You don't let y'all not baby. She'd keep me away from me.
- 15:22Your body is in the playground for someone who doesn't respect
- 15:24your heart. Yes those fire wouldn't it?
- 15:27Can we just hire you to confront our narcs and psycho this
- 15:29matter? I wish people all hear dangers
- 15:32these days. I would I would.
- 15:33You know I used to buy. I'm beyond.
- 15:35I'm beyond my fighting days y'all.
- 15:36I turn 40. I'm beyond my fighting days.
- 15:38My fighting prime is behind me. I don't throw hands no more.
- 15:42I throw TikTok videos, I throw YouTube shorts.
- 15:47That's what I do now. That's what I throw it out.
- 15:51I throw these things right now. That's what I'm trying to throw.
- 15:55I'm gonna try to keep throwing them.
- 15:59How do you not let them get under your skin?
- 16:00All the downtime where you have to Co parent, you have to
- 16:02understand what exactly what they're doing.
- 16:05If you know they're trying to get under your skin, you have
- 16:06to, you have to prepare when you have to encounter them, you have
- 16:09to prepare because like, OK, I got to go meet.
- 16:12Let's just say I'm Co parenting with you and you're the
- 16:13narcissist. Liz.
- 16:14OK, I got to go meet Liz at 1:00.
- 16:16I got to get my mind right because I know Liz is going to
- 16:18try to trigger me. I know she's going to try to get
- 16:20into my skin. I know she's going to try to say
- 16:21something crazy. I'm just going to ignore her.
- 16:23I have a goal in mind. The goal is to pick up, pick up
- 16:26baby, get out of here and not give you any kind of energy.
- 16:31Your energy is worth protecting. I have been Hoover back many
- 16:34times. Last night was the last round.
- 16:35Any advice to stay strong and not breaking no contact when you
- 16:38getting hoovered, what is going on?
- 16:40Because after a while they're no longer hoovering you.
- 16:43You're accepting it. You see what I'm saying?
- 16:46After a while you know it's coming.
- 16:47You're like oh they're going to Hoover me again.
- 16:48I know what they're doing. What's going on up here?
- 16:51You see what's going on up here that allows you to fall for the
- 16:54Hoover because you have to break it.
- 16:56You have whatever you want over here.
- 16:57You have to break it. And that's what I'm telling
- 16:59y'all. My courses do help y'all.
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- 17:36If you got that work is gang stalking a form of Hoover and
- 17:41possibly right gang stalking. It could be possibly be a reason
- 17:45to try to get you to reach out to negotiate or whatever, right?
- 17:47They could be what happens could be maybe not.
- 17:51It might not. Not necessarily.
- 17:52Always. I'm close to Two years walked
- 17:56away. I had to get my head cleared. 09
- 17:59years walked away. OK, good for you.
- 18:02No problem. Excellent.
- 18:07Withheld intimacy for three years and blame me for it.
- 18:09Yep. They'll put it on to you.
- 18:10Like you. You.
- 18:11Don't you. I'm not attracted to you like I
- 18:13used to be. Why?
- 18:14I don't want to sleep with you. Best is joining support group.
- 18:20Yeah, I have a support. Yeah, I know.
- 18:21I keep trying to put something out, but I do have a support
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- 18:28I hate that my camera's doing a little flicky thing.
- 18:31Y'all was like just going crazy. So I'm about to have off y'all.
- 18:34I do have to have off this thing, y'all.
- 18:35I'm gonna try to see what's wrong, what's going on with this
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