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chuck douglas 8-22-2024 School bus rules II with Attorney Jonathan Tyack · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Greeting salitations. Welcome my friends to another edition of the
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  Speaker 1: sorry about that. And someone should tell Oprah she's old.
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  Speaker 1: Now just say it. A couple of days ago, I
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  Speaker 1: had a compas police officer in the studio. We were
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  Speaker 1: talking about bus safety, school bus safety, and I asked
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  Speaker 1: about larger roads, like that section of Broad Street out
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  Speaker 1: around the Hollywood Casino where you've got three and when
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  Speaker 1: they're not doing construction, four lanes of travel on the
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  Speaker 1: westbound side, you've got two lanes of eastbound and two
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  Speaker 1: left turn lanes, and then you've got a center turn
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  Speaker 1: lane as well. If a bus were to stop on
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  Speaker 1: one side, to say, the eastbound side, and you were
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  Speaker 1: on the westbound side, is it incumbent upon you to stop?
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  Speaker 1: The police officer told me yes, in the city of Columbus,
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  Speaker 1: you have to stop, which I never knew to be
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  Speaker 1: the truth. The reality of the situation. I thought, when
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  Speaker 1: there were that many lanes of traffic, you did not
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  Speaker 1: need to stop. So a few of you actually said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio Revised Code. I start thinking this over pondering,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, and it's not impossible. As we have
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  Speaker 1: seen with thirty round magazines and mental cigarettes and so forth,
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  Speaker 1: the City of Columbus thinking it is its own little
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  Speaker 1: dynasty and can do what it wants to do. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's not impossible to think that there may be a
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  Speaker 1: Columbus ordinance that contradicts the Ohio Revised Code. But you
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  Speaker 1: are licensed to drive by the State of Ohio, not
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  Speaker 1: the City of Columbus. The roads and the signage are
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  Speaker 1: maintained by the Ohio Department of Transportation, not the Columbus
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  Speaker 1: Department of Transportation. So I would say that if there
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  Speaker 1: is a contradiction, I would defer to RC. But I'm nobody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a guy with a microphone. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: go to somebody who if I brought this same scenario
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  Speaker 1: to them and said, I need you out, man. I
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  Speaker 1: want to know what they would tell me, what they
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  Speaker 1: would think, what they would do that, what their course
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  Speaker 1: of action would be. And I try to go to
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  Speaker 1: the best when I go to people, and in this case,
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  Speaker 1: my own personal legal counsel said, this is your guy,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Tayak joining me right now on the Legacy Retirement
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  Speaker 1: Group dot com phone lines, notable prominent Columbus attorney who
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  Speaker 1: who I'm told is very well versed in situations like this,
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  Speaker 1: and I bring him to you for your information edification
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  Speaker 1: in mind as well. Hello, mister tia caw are you yeah? Hello,
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay. As far as I know, I try not
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  Speaker 1: to ask too many questions. I've laid this out. If
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  Speaker 1: I were if I were someone who you know, managed
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  Speaker 1: to get myself a ticket or whatever, and came to
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  Speaker 1: you with this scenario, what is your interpretation as legal
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  Speaker 1: counsel as to what standing would be.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my interpretation really isn't all that relevant. I think
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  Speaker 2: what's important is what the courts have said, right, And
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line is is that if there's four lanes
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  Speaker 2: and the bus stops, let's stay on the eastbound lane
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  Speaker 2: and you're traveling westbound and there's four lanes of traffic,
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  Speaker 2: you're free to keep going. Now, you know, just because
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  Speaker 2: it's allowed under the code doesn't mean you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: really careful with kids getting on and off buses. But
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the law says that
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  Speaker 2: you're allowed to keep moving as long as there's at
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  Speaker 2: least four lanes of travel.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, see what we were getting with the police officer.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure this is you know, he's he's doing
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  Speaker 1: with what he believes is what they are instructed to
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  Speaker 1: do at the police department. But his continion was that
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  Speaker 1: if it was divided, say a concrete island between the
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  Speaker 1: directions or something like that, then you were fine. But
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  Speaker 1: if there was no divider, that both sides of that
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  Speaker 1: traffic would have to stop.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and so here's the issue, Chuck. The statute. There
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  Speaker 2: is no difference between the Columbus City Code and the
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  Speaker 2: state code. By the way, both are worded virtually identically.
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  Speaker 2: But the problem offser Fuqua, you know, I think was
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  Speaker 2: applying a very common sense and practical interpretation of the
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  Speaker 2: statute because the statute uses the word divided. So the
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  Speaker 2: statute actually says that where a straight or highway has
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  Speaker 2: been divided into four or more lanes, Okay, so they
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  Speaker 2: use the word divided, And then the courts have said
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  Speaker 2: that what that really means is if there's four or
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  Speaker 2: more lanes, I mean, maybe they should have used the
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  Speaker 2: word organized, maybe they should have used the word planned
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  Speaker 2: out or something else, but the other and then what
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  Speaker 2: happens is in the next section of the statute or
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  Speaker 2: of the code section, the word divided is used very
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  Speaker 2: differently because bus drivers if they are on a quote
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  Speaker 2: divided road, or if they're on a road with four
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  Speaker 2: or more lanes, so they use divided a little differently
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  Speaker 2: there than the bus striver has an obligation to stop
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  Speaker 2: and either load the kids up or drop the kids
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  Speaker 2: off on the side of the street where their residence
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  Speaker 2: is located. So it's really just a matter of the
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  Speaker 2: General Assembly not using the most clear language in the world,
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  Speaker 2: and a common sense interpretation by a police officer might
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  Speaker 2: lead to the conclusion that you heard on your show
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  Speaker 2: a couple of nights ago. It's a common sense interpretation.
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  Speaker 2: But the courts have been pretty clear on this that
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  Speaker 2: that's not really what it means. But again, a police
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  Speaker 2: officer or somebody who's not familiar with the court decisions
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  Speaker 2: might look at that and interpret it the way the
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  Speaker 2: officer did. So I'm not going to throw that officer
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  Speaker 2: under the bus, so to speak. He gave a very
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  Speaker 2: common sense interpretation of a statute. But like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of legislation, as you may know, it's as clear as mud.
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  Speaker 2: But the courts have said that if it's four lanes
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  Speaker 2: and you're going in the opposite direction, you do not
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  Speaker 2: need to stop.
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  Speaker 1: All right. See now, thirty or forty years ago, this
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  Speaker 1: conversation would not even exist because we were all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: relatively at the same level. When it came to just
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  Speaker 1: common sense and really the subjective nature of people today
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  Speaker 1: and picking things apart. What says divided, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: say physical divide, or it doesn't say, you know, okay, look,
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  Speaker 1: anybody who can, uh, anybody can squeeze a little insanity
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  Speaker 1: out of a relatively sane situation will do so at
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  Speaker 1: will these days. So uh, I guess maybe that's something
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  Speaker 1: they'll end up revisiting and making a little more a
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  Speaker 1: little more bulletproof when it comes to the uh to
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  Speaker 1: the words that are being used because they somebody common sense.
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  Speaker 1: If the bus is stopped and you and the kids
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  Speaker 1: are going to cross the street for some reason, just stop,
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  Speaker 1: just stop, and I that we've got that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: move over law. Now that you see emergency vehicles or
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  Speaker 1: tow trucks on the side of the road, I'm waiting
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  Speaker 1: for somebody, quite frankly, to get sighted for not allowing
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  Speaker 1: somebody to get over. I think that that's got to
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  Speaker 1: come into play as well. If you've got some more
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  Speaker 1: on that gets right on your rear quarter panel and
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  Speaker 1: refuses to move and not allow you to get over
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  Speaker 1: and obey the law, there should be some culpability there
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  Speaker 1: too well.
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  Speaker 2: I think you know your listeners and everybody in our
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  Speaker 2: community needs to remember. You know, it's even if you
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  Speaker 2: don't have an obligation to stop, if a kid runs
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  Speaker 2: out in front of the bus and runs in front
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  Speaker 2: of you and you hit him, they're gonna get shut.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's gonna be legal questions even though you're
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  Speaker 2: permitted to keep moving according according to the Higher Advice
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  Speaker 2: Code or according to the city code. You don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be that person who causes that accident. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: everyone just needs to I think the ultimate practical advice
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  Speaker 2: from the officer the other night was excellent advice, and
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  Speaker 2: I think his interpretation of the code as he read
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  Speaker 2: it was a common sense, sort of practical interpretation. But
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  Speaker 2: in this case, if someone were to get a ticket
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  Speaker 2: for it, they would have a defense.
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  Speaker 1: Bless your heart, you are apparently listening to the show.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I appreciate the fact that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you give me some You gave me some time this
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  Speaker 1: evening to answer this question because a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: anything like that that you want to throw out there
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  Speaker 1: let people know about Jonathan Tayak.
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  Speaker 2: Www dot tyakwaw dot com is our website. We're old
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  Speaker 2: fashioned general practice firm. We do a lot of criminal
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  Speaker 2: and traffic defense, but we also do a lot of
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  Speaker 2: So uniquely, we represent people on both sides of these issues.
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate you giving me an opportunity to help
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  Speaker 2: educate your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you're very welcome. And Tayak, by the way, for
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  Speaker 1: those of you that might grammatically challenge T y ac K,
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  Speaker 1: not just K T I y T y A c
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  Speaker 1: K is how you spelled tiger. Thank you, Jonathan Tyack
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  Speaker 1: very much for your time this evening and for clarifying this.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I can call again on you again in the future.
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  Speaker 1: And uff is always coming up. You never know, Aciate, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, sir, thank you very much. So there
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  Speaker 1: you have your answer. There you have your answer. It's
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  Speaker 1: a matter of interpreting. The word divided is what it
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  Speaker 1: comes down to. And uh and officer of a Sergeant
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  Speaker 1: Fuqua was I don't think incorrect in what he was saying,
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  Speaker 1: and uh and Attorney Tayak, I don't think is incorrect
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  Speaker 1: and what they are saying. Subjective is one of those
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  Speaker 1: words that comes into play when it comes when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to anything that is litigious these days, because everyone,
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  Speaker 1: as as the attorney was just posting, you know here
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  Speaker 1: possing you don't. You don't want to be the person
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  Speaker 1: that you know ends up in court. Okay, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: weren't in a crosswalk, maybe they shouldn't have been running
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  Speaker 1: across the road, But do you want to be the
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  Speaker 1: one in the court room because you hit a kid
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  Speaker 1: coming off a school bus. Whether you were right or not,
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  Speaker 1: you were going the speed limit, you did everything right.
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  Speaker 1: Car was illuminated, seat belts fastened, you are lights registered,
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  Speaker 1: and in short, you're doing everything right and they run
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  Speaker 1: in front of you, You're going to get sued because
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  Speaker 1: that is the nature of people today and uh, and
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  Speaker 1: none of us want to make time out of our
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  Speaker 1: life uh to go fight that battle, especially nowadays when
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  Speaker 1: no matter how much common sense in your minds as well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not guilty of anything. This is completely accidental. If
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  Speaker 1: the kid ran across the street out of a crosswell, okay,
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  Speaker 1: no doesn't matter. There's some jury somewhere that's gonna go.
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  Speaker 1: a This isn't a great thing. If I gripe about
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  Speaker 1: anything today, it'll be the school bus situation again. But
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  Speaker 1: you got to hear what happened to me today. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: But I was ranting once again about the school bus
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  Speaker 1: day yesterday, first day of school. If you were with me,
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  Speaker 1: you heard me say fifty minutes late, fifteen minutes late
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  Speaker 1: picking the boy up to go to school in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: So this is particularly bothersome because the schools told us
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  Speaker 1: in advance that this wasn't going to happen. Part of
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  Speaker 1: an email that I received from the Columbus City Schools
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  Speaker 1: back on what August nineteenth, just a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 1: The safe transport of our students to and from schools
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  Speaker 1: is our top priority. We are committed to ensuring that
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  Speaker 1: each child arrives safely and on time every day. To
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  Speaker 1: up ensure a safer i'd please review the following tips.
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  Speaker 1: Arrive early, have your child at the bus stop five
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  Speaker 1: minutes before the schedule pickup time. He waited for an
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  Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes for you getting on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: Act like you got some sense behavior on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: Act like you got some sense getting off the bus,
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  Speaker 1: Act like you got some sense.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We got an email a couple of weeks before school
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  Speaker 1: started telling us that bus drivers had been hired and
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  Speaker 1: the transportation problems that have been part of last year's
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  Speaker 1: you know existence would not be with us this year. Today,
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  Speaker 1: the boy is supposed to be home before four o'clock
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  Speaker 1: on his bus. There were plans, there were commitments, there
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  Speaker 1: were appointments, all of which could drop the hammer on
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  Speaker 1: me if they are not fulfilled. And part of that
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  Speaker 1: was making sure the kids are all appropriately taken care
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  Speaker 1: of when they're supposed to be taken care of. At
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  Speaker 1: twenty two minutes after four, he was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: home before four. Twenty two after four, I get the
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  Speaker 1: call from the school. Just wanted to let you know
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  Speaker 1: the bus hasn't come to pick up the kids yet.
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  Speaker 1: What twenty two minutes after four? So this means there's
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  Speaker 1: an appointment in eight minutes. We're just finding out he's
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  Speaker 1: still at the school.
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  Speaker 2: And they.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody said something once the appointment was reached by the
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  Speaker 1: boy and the rest of the family. That just makes
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: me want to chew nails. But I can't tell you
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  Speaker 1: about that yet. I promise you. I will because I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sick of people with titles and an alleged education
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  Speaker 1: being nothing but a pain in the ass to society.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them seem to take great pride in it.
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  Speaker 1: And when the time comes, oh yes, I will shred underwear.
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  Speaker 1: just look at their their equipment.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a specimen to look at too, you.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a specimen will be I could see a Petri
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: dish involved and yeah, oh my gosh. What started as
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: uh as a little nothing, this has become something that
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: has a life of its own. You you and your
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: lawn services. Are you going to branch out get into
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: automotive repair or anything like that.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: We'll see how it goes. We're going to see all
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: this start out.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: You got to start a business that puts the spring
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: back inside of cushions on couches. That's a good idea
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that would actually get because a lot of people are
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, make their furniture last, and so
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: especially in car seats. If you could put the spring
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: back in.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Car seats, anything spring related.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Anythings, Yeah, put the spring back in winter. I think
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people will be willing to pay for
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you to be able to do that. So I've got
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: this idea about the postal service, and do you have
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: any idea where I'm going with this? By the way,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I sometimes you actually read if you could read my mind,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: love every now and then you can read my mind.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Actually I don't. I've been interested to hear this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So last year I encourage you to send Christmas cards.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I love Christmas cards, and everyone who sent me a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Christmas card, I made sure I got a Christmas card
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: back to them. That is part of the American tradition.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that it's it's a nostalgia thing that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: we need those cards on the mantle from our friends
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and our family, and it just it makes the holidays
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: more holiday e even when they don't necessarily feel like it,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: even when the economy's down and everything costs too much
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and we can't put the stuff under the tree for
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the kids that we want to, or or we do it,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: but we know we're going to be paying for it
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: till August of the next year. But for some reason,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: those Christmas cards, those well wishes for the holiday season
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I think make it more enjoyable, more pleasant, more traditional.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Now stamps just went up again twice in what five
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: months that they increase the postage first class postage. Here
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is my idea, and you guys can tell me if
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you think I'm off my nut here. I think that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: what's the Forever stamp cost now? Seventy five cents or
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yep, I want Forever Christmas stamps for
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: half price, So two for seventy five cents to encourage
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: people to send Christmas cards, two of them for the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: price of one regular postage stamp. You still get first
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: class postage, but because they're the special edition Christmas stamp,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they're half price and allow people. And then in turn,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the Hallmark stores, the stationary stores, the places that sell
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Christmas cards, if you take your receipt in from buying
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: your Christmas stamp postage, then it will get you a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: discount maybe on your Christmas cards or something like that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying this. People would say, you know what,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: if it's gonna cost me half as much, I'm going
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to sing some Christmas cards this year, and you can
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: lighten up not just old people, young people, people who
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: don't even get mail anymore. A teenager goes to the mailbox,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: they haven't had any email that doesn't come across a screen,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: or any mail that hasn't come up with a screen
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: as an email. It's weird to them, you say, Junior Camire,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you got something in the mail today?
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: What?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And I think, honestly, as crazy as this, sometimes we
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: complicate things too much. As crazy as this sounds, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: think this will be a service to the American public.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: People would do it because it felt good and because
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it made other people feel good, And isn't that what
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Christmas is about.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I think that's a good idea, bring.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Enjoy to one another and hopefully putting your heart into
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the reason for the season.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It's also the post Office is a public service, so
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: it should be there to.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you would think, but it's not the pony Express anymore.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, But I think this would get people. They'd
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: buy so many of these stamps that the post Office
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I think would actually make money because of this surge
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and business for these half price Christmas stamps. And when
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I was a youngster, I forget what was it the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Heart Association or the Lung Association. Somebody used to do
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Christmas seals and they also did Easter seals, if I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not mistaken, which were additional stamps. They weren't postage, but
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: what they would send them to you. My mom always
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: got them. They'd send them to you, and they'd want
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you to send back a couple of bucks to pay
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: for them, and then use them as a secondary stamp
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on your postal mail links to show support for their
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: their organization. Symbolism is a big deal, and I think
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: those Christmas stamps on Christmas cards would would be a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: big symbol to a lot of people that are hearkening back.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Man want we want tradition, We want a time when
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: stuff made sense and things were good. And by the way,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I will do the same thing this year. I'm not
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going to mess with the address and stuff now because
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: it's too early, but if you send me the Christmas
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: cards here, I will send you a Christmas card right back.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I just I love the idea, I love the feeling,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and I love to encourage that kind of that kind
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of harmony during the holidays. Anyway, I see some relions
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: ring an A two one nine eight six A two one
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: WTV And before we get into the stamps, let me
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: talk to Michelle because Michelle as a school bus driver.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: How are you, Michelle, I'm good.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: How are you?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you? Thank you? Did you drive for did
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you drive for Colins?
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Where did you come on a night?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: I was a school bus driver. You're not allowed to
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: let kids cross two lane highways, let alone a four
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: loan highway.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the thing of it is, though they're
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: not allowed to do it, they shouldn't do it. The
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: buses shouldn't let them out on the side. But if
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: some idiot kid comes off the bus and decides they're
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: going to run across those lanes of traffic, some drivers
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: going to get hammered because they did not stop. Even
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: though even if RC says you don't have to stop
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: because you didn't stop and you ran over a bad
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: behaving kid that decided to run across the street after
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: getting off that bus, you know, good and well, the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: school system's getting sued, the drivers getting sued, the people
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: who made the asphalt are getting sued. Everybody's getting sued.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think that that would hold up in court,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: because that's the rules. They are not allowed to cross
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: a two lane highway.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: They're no, they're not allowed that's that's the rules. But
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: do the rules matter anymore? Michelle? Seriously, haven't you seen.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Stuff going on the court not That's why I quit
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: driving the bus.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Did you drive awful?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But did you drive for Columbus No.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I drove for Maranatha Christian School.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. And your kids were bad at Maranatha No.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: But the other for my sister drove for Uh. It
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: depends on what area you were in when she would
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: pick up her kids. They were in like the Westgate
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: area and other some undesirable areas. How about that?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: And they would act up, but our kids getn't act.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I miss Miranatha, not allowed to.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, of course you had one or two racked
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: up sometimes, but they didn't fight.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I think Maranatha was an asset to too many young
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: people on the West Side. I miss it. I'm sorry
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that it's gone. And uh and I wish somebody would
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: step up and replace do what they were doing because
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it Yes, I definitely.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: They even tore down their school building because they're not
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: doing school there anymore.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, Michelle, I got to run here.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I guess some other people waiting. But thank you for
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the kind word. I do appreciate you, and then thanks
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: for being there every night and looking forward to me.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Most people don't, especially once they know me.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: You see Deb's been on the second longest deb.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: How are you hey, I'm doing good, Chuck.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: It's always good to listen to you.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you. My family never says that, but thank you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Even though you don't respond to my Facebook post, that's
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: quite all right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: When did I not respond to your face? Would you
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: post on fate Chuck? Chuck is a big picklehead or something.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I probably didn't respond to that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, whatever. Anyway, thank bung and cheek held here
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: with the postal service, your idea of the stamp idea
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: is great, but see the pistol service can't even figure
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: out what a forever stamp means because to them, forever
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: only means till they change the rate again.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, forever means four month or is apparently so?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, whendy, I mean what when does Christmas start?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: When it's Christmas in when can you send a car?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I would say that let's make them only only
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: good between the day after Thanksgiving and uh and uh
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the last day of the year. That way, you can't
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: be using them to pay you your light bill or
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: something like that. But I'm going to actually talk to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: some people at the post office, dabit. I'm going to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: go back through Facebook and see if I can find
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: what I didn't answer, because that I feel bad now
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: if I ignored one of your posts, Pat, you were
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: on six ten double ETVN.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Yes, I hate. I hate to burst your bubble.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: My bubble needs bursts.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Well, the post office. Your idea is terrible because the
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: post office already has great trouble delivering at Christmas time.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: You can see whole semi truckloads of mail sitting after
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Chriss undelivered.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Well that's largely I think, because I think that's because
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: on employees delivering big Amazon boxes and so forth, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: stuff for uts.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: And and they can't get people to work. People don't work,
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: won'come in, call in a sick all the time for
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: no reason. I mean, you wouldn't believe what chaos the
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: post office is, Pat, have.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: You ever have you ever been known to use the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: phrase ba humbug?
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm just telling you the idea is is a
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: sweet idea, but it is unworkable and terrible, like all
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: the lefty ideas, It sounds great up front until you
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: actually try to do it and uh you know much
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: as much.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: As uh oh, they're already lost nine million dollars, they
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: would lose more money. Yeah, they might make some money
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: on this, though, don't you think it's possible at least No,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: they would.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: They would lose money on it because they are not
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: making money on the first class mail is the packages
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: that they make the money on. So you don't even
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: understand how the post office work.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Well, no, because I don't work at the post office,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I can tell you everything about radio.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Well, talk to somebody at the post office and they'll
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: tell you your idea is sweet but unworkable, like all liberal
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: sweet ideas.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Pat send me to our address, because I'm going to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: send you a Christmas card anyway, just to cheer you up,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: even if I have to pay full price for it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's pet Pat Is. She's a wonderful person,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I can tell. But there's a little scrooge in there.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, Pat, I love you,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: mean it. Let's get John in here before we have
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to say tats John, You're on sixth NATVN. Yeah, Chuck,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I'm calling about the bus.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Is amazing that it's always after the fact, even though
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: they know the bus is going to be late, like
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: an hour before it happens.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think somebody could warn you, you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: especially you know, if you're sitting there waiting on your kid.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Parents are adjusting schedules and work schedules, and they got
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: other kids at another school or a daycare or whatever.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And trying to orchestrate five minutes is one thing, man,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But fifty minutes that's a big deal. And then not
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: picking up the kid at all, that's just nuts.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's happened a couple of times to my grandkids
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: where they actually never got picked up.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely crazy. But like I said, stop bussing and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: send kids to schools in their neighborhood. Maybe that it
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Oh no, can't do that. Because maybe that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. It is time for me to fly.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: We'll do the skin Monday at six on six ten
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: douautv