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TRUCK, 2 PET DOGS FOUND ABANDONED: WHERE’S JARED? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A truck with the doors wide open, two loyal pet
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Speaker 1: dogs still there, all found abandoned. But tonight, where's Jared?
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Speaker 1: Good evening, I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Construction worker Jared McCullough left Mary in Louisiana on a
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Speaker 2: sudden five hundred mile trip to visit his son in Illinois,
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Speaker 2: taking his two dogs, Roxy May and Rusty. Days later,
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Speaker 2: his white twenty twenty gmc truck is found abandoned on
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Speaker 2: a remote dirt road near the Wabash River in Knox County,
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Speaker 2: with no sign of Jared.
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Speaker 3: Jared, I tid you the name of the Father, Son,
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Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit, the name of Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 4: Wow. Jared McCulloch was not around. The truck could not
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Speaker 4: be located. Fast forward and missing. We started a missing
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Speaker 4: person's investigation.
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Speaker 5: I got a call from Detective car I'd say it's
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Speaker 5: about nine point thirty in the morning, letting me know
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Speaker 5: that they had found the truck in Roxy and Rusty.
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Speaker 5: There's two dogs inside of the truck. I had no
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Speaker 5: idea that he was going there or for what reason.
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Speaker 5: It was total loss and confusion.
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Speaker 6: From our friends at wtwo, WAWV and East Idaho News
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Speaker 6: and speaking of East Idaho News joining us now Nate Eaton,
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Speaker 6: news director at East Idaho News.
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Speaker 1: Emmy nominated journalist, Nate, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: His truck is still there. The door's wide open. Let's
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Speaker 1: see a shot of that. His two dogs, loyal as ever,
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Speaker 1: still waiting for him to come back to the truck.
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Speaker 1: But no, Jared, I'm it seems as if he had
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Speaker 1: just left. What happened, Nate? What do we know?
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Speaker 7: Well, he left his home in Louisiana, Nancy to go
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Speaker 7: see his son, and then they found his truck there abandoned.
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Speaker 7: What was interesting is that it was out of gas,
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Speaker 7: but the truck was still on. The ignition was on,
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Speaker 7: so it's like it had been running until it ran
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Speaker 7: out of gas. Those dogs were there. There were really
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Speaker 7: expensive tools in the back of the truck that weren't touched.
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Speaker 7: But his cell phone and wallet were gone.
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Speaker 1: The expensive tools in the back, cell phone and wallet gone.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the area where his truck and dogs
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Speaker 1: were found.
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Speaker 7: This is a very remote area of Fancy. In fact,
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Speaker 7: it's on the border. It's in Indiana, but it's on
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Speaker 7: the border of Illinois on the state line. So as
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Speaker 7: you can see there on the picture, it's remote. It's
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Speaker 7: on a rugged, dirt, dirt road. The road's not even
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Speaker 7: paved there. And this all happened he left late at
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Speaker 7: night at his house in Louisiana. He left late into
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Speaker 7: the evening. There's the map there that shows where he left,
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Speaker 7: traveled several hundred miles there to when his truck was found,
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Speaker 7: and there were several different convenience stores along the way.
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Speaker 7: I'm sure you'll get into that in a moment where
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Speaker 7: he stopped to get gas, he stopped to get food,
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Speaker 7: and then it's just like he vanished off the base
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Speaker 7: of the earth.
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Speaker 5: The truck was in a very very remote location on
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Speaker 5: the Walbash River. It's hard to really explain. It's a
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Speaker 5: one lane gravel road, remote just out in the middle
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Speaker 5: of nowhere. There's nothing out there but river and fields.
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Speaker 5: Going by what the police told me, both driver side
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Speaker 5: doors were left open. The truck was left in the
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Speaker 5: on position, like as in running until it ran out
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Speaker 5: of gas, and then the battery died.
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Speaker 8: Dogs had been less than the truck. When I heard that,
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Speaker 8: that was when I immediately started to worry. When she
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Speaker 8: said that the dogs were in the truck and Jared
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Speaker 8: wasn't around. My initial thought was maybe he got out
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Speaker 8: because he had been driving in the car in the
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Speaker 8: truck for a while, so maybe he got out somewhere
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Speaker 8: to let the dogs run, to stretch their legs, potty,
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Speaker 8: what have you, and got himself into trouble in the
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Speaker 8: river somehow.
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Speaker 1: How do you quote get yourself in trouble in the
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Speaker 1: river all on your own? That's for our friends, I've
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Speaker 1: read Vanished podcast. In joining us tonight, a special guest,
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Speaker 1: Tammy McCullough repond. This is Jared's mother, Miss Tammy, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Tell me what you recall
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Speaker 1: what happened at the very beginning when you learned your
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Speaker 1: son had seemingly vanished into thin air.
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Speaker 5: I was at the hospital getting blood work done that
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Speaker 5: I needed to get done, and I always keep my
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Speaker 5: phone on silent, and my husband called me and let
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Speaker 5: me know that I needed to take this call. It
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Speaker 5: was important. When he texted me and I went outside
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Speaker 5: into the other room and answered the fall and it
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Speaker 5: was Detective far and he had just told me that
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Speaker 5: he had found the dogs and the truck by the
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Speaker 5: side of the river. And that Jared wasn't around, And
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Speaker 5: I mean I was confused because I've never been there,
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Speaker 5: so I didn't know where Nots County even was, and
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Speaker 5: why would he be there. It was confusion.
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Speaker 1: Did you know he was taking the trip to see
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Speaker 1: a sign?
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Speaker 5: I had just talked to him. Probably he would have
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Speaker 5: left on the fours and by the timeline that I
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Speaker 5: built for phone calls, it had probably been somewhere around
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Speaker 5: six thirty Central time. But I had talked to him
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Speaker 5: about an hour prior to that and everything was fine.
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Speaker 5: He had already talked to his boss about work on Monday.
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Speaker 5: He was upset because our water heater wasn't working properly
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Speaker 5: and he needed a shower. He his dirty from work,
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Speaker 5: so he was kind of grumpy about that, but nothing
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Speaker 5: out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 1: So he takes off on this truck to see his son,
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Speaker 1: leaving around six thirty pm Central still daylight.
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Speaker 5: Correct, that's man, it's man.
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Speaker 1: Okay. When did you first learn he was missing?
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Speaker 5: It was one Detective Carr called me because Jared would
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Speaker 5: have never left his dog, So I knew right away.
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Speaker 5: My stomach sunk something was wrong because those dogs are
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Speaker 5: his kids. He would have never left them there like that.
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Speaker 1: So, Tammy, I'm trying to understand you. The last you
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Speaker 1: knew he was on his way to see his son
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Speaker 1: six thirty pm Central. The next thing you knew, you
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Speaker 1: get a call from a detective saying his truck and
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Speaker 1: his dogs have been found. So that's the first you
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Speaker 1: learned of it.
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Speaker 5: I didn't know he was going to see his son
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Speaker 5: until after Detective Carr called me and I had to
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Speaker 5: go back home. I'm not good on my phone, but
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Speaker 5: go back home and kind of look at the map
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Speaker 5: on the computer and try to narrow down the area
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Speaker 5: where that was. And when I seen who he would
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Speaker 5: have been close to, because I didn't know again that
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Speaker 5: he was going to visit his son. When I see
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Speaker 5: the area that he would have been close to, I
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Speaker 5: immediately knew who, I don't want to say was involved,
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Speaker 5: but who he would have been going to see.
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Speaker 1: Miss repond everyone, this is Jared's mother. What if anything,
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Speaker 1: have you learned about his cell phone usage along the trip.
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Speaker 1: That's a long trip, many hours. Did he call anyone
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Speaker 1: or speak to anyone?
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Speaker 5: He spoke to his son's mother the entire trip. There
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Speaker 5: were phone gaps whenever he should have made it to
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Speaker 5: her at home, but she says that he did not,
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Speaker 5: and then phone gaps whenever he went missing. There's some gaps.
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Speaker 5: But the only person that he was talking to was her,
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Speaker 5: so she at least had some answers.
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Speaker 1: Was her home along the route he had taken was supposed.
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Speaker 5: To according to her, this is her words, go and
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Speaker 5: see her first and pick her up because she didn't
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Speaker 5: have far to go visit her son, their son, so
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Speaker 5: he was going to go and pick her up first
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Speaker 5: and then go visit the sun Sunday morning together.
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Speaker 1: How close was his truck to where his ex lived.
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Speaker 5: It's probably a good three hours, depending on which route
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Speaker 5: you took. I suppose if we took an interstate, it
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Speaker 5: might be kicking here. But any which way you go
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Speaker 5: where the truck was, because of how remote, it would
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Speaker 5: take a good amount of time just that little stretch
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Speaker 5: there the rest interstate.
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Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask you this miss repond where
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Speaker 1: Jared's truck was found. Would he have already been to
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Speaker 1: her place or had he not passed it yet?
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Speaker 5: He should have already been there because the phone calls stop.
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Speaker 5: And I worked really hard on the timeline because it
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Speaker 5: was difficult because the night that this all happened. Time
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Speaker 5: changed at two o'clock in the morning, so we fell back.
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Speaker 5: Indiana is eastern time, Illinois is central, so it took
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Speaker 5: a lot of time to really put everything together. But
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Speaker 5: the time that he would have made it to her
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Speaker 5: house and have that phone gap when he stopped at
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Speaker 5: that first gas station in Salem, he went in there
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Speaker 5: and got gas and an energy drink, and you can
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Speaker 5: see him as the bathroom. His second stop there in
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Speaker 5: Central City, Illinois, that would have been most likely whenever
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Speaker 5: he would have gotten up. So those two gas stations,
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Speaker 5: the Hugs and Salem, and the Hugs are Philip sixty
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Speaker 5: six Central City, or house would have been square in
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Speaker 5: the middle of those two stations.
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Speaker 1: Back to Nate Eaton, he's director East Idaho News for
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Speaker 1: showing video surveillance at a convenience store where we know
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Speaker 1: he was en route. And he's fine, he's not impaired,
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Speaker 1: he's not being erratic. Everything is absolutely fine. Now, Nate Eaton,
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Speaker 1: tell me about the pings on his phone, What if
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Speaker 1: anything did they reveal and was he stopping by his
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Speaker 1: ex'es en route to see the sun.
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Speaker 7: That's a good question, Nancy. We know he's stopped at
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Speaker 7: a few gas stations. So two thirty two am he
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Speaker 7: stops at a Hucks gas station in Salem, Illinois. Two
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Speaker 7: forty seven, his truck stops at another Hucks. But here's
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Speaker 7: the interesting thing. The cameras catch him leaving, but he
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Speaker 7: makes a U turn and goes in the opposite direction.
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Speaker 7: Three hours later, five twenty six, he's seen on camera
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Speaker 7: at another gas gas station is cooler and bags which
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Speaker 7: were in the back of the truck are no longer
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Speaker 7: visible from the bed of the truck. Then at eight
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Speaker 7: fifty one he's seen on camera at another gas station.
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Speaker 7: And then at eight fifty nine that's when and Tammy
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Speaker 7: can talk to this. She gets a text from Jared
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Speaker 7: that says where is that? Kind of an odd text
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Speaker 7: out of the blue, where is that? And that's it?
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Speaker 7: There's that's it. So he stops it. It looks like
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Speaker 7: four different gas stations between two thirty two and eight
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Speaker 7: fifty one along the journey before the communication. Before he's
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Speaker 7: everything goes quiet.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Nate Eaton, joining US News director East Idaho News.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take me through the timeline at
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Speaker 1: the beginning again, very slowly, and I want you to
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Speaker 1: incorporate in the timeline the gas station stops and the texts.
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Speaker 7: Okay, So he leaves the night of November fourth, around
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Speaker 7: in the six o'clock hour, six sixty seven o'clock hour,
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Speaker 7: leaves then at two fifty two am the next morning.
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Speaker 7: Now remember there's daylight savings time at different time zones here,
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Speaker 7: so we're going with the best knowledge that we have.
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Speaker 7: Two thirty two he stops at a Hucks gas station.
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Speaker 7: He's seen on the security camera going inside, giving the
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Speaker 7: clerk money for gas. Around fifteen minutes later, too forty
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Speaker 7: seven he leaves the gas station. He spotted on camera
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Speaker 7: turning around doing a U turn going the opposite direction.
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Speaker 7: That's at the Salem Hucks gas station. So the gas
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Speaker 7: station in Salem, Illinois that he stopped at fifteen minutes earlier, six.
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Speaker 1: Point thirty ish pm Central, he leaves two thirty two am,
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Speaker 1: and you've got an hour time change there. He is
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Speaker 1: at a Salem gas station, a Hucks. He goes inside,
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Speaker 1: we see him paying. Fifteen minutes later, he's caught doing
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Speaker 1: a U turn. Okay, Then what night eton.
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Speaker 7: Five twenty six am, So around three hours later, two
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Speaker 7: and a half hours later, he's seen on camera at
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Speaker 7: another gas station of Phillips sixty six in Centralia, Illinois,
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Speaker 7: and that's south of Salem. His cooler and bags, which
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Speaker 7: had previously been in the bed of the truck are
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Speaker 7: no longer visible, so something may have happened in that
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Speaker 7: three hour gap where he dropped the pooler in the bags.
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Speaker 7: Fast forward to eight fifty one am. Three hours after that,
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Speaker 7: he's seen at another Hucks gas station in Parmi, Illinois.
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Speaker 7: That's forty five miles east of Benton. And then Tammy
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Speaker 7: gets the text message eight minutes later saying, where is that.
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Speaker 1: Tammy mccoaugh at eight fifty nine am where he texts you,
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Speaker 1: seems like he was texting somebody else Where's that at?
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Speaker 1: Would he have already passed his ex's home.
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Speaker 5: When he turned around. That's actually Missouri Ave, so it's
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Speaker 5: behind the Hucks in a sense, and the kids back
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Speaker 5: in the day the X where she used to live
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Speaker 5: would have been on Tantai Road. The kids used to
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Speaker 5: take that back way they called it Beercan Alley to
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Speaker 5: go to Tantai where she lived, and we used to
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Speaker 5: live out on thirty seven in that direction. That's where
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Speaker 5: he's turning around because she had actually her dad had
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Speaker 5: bought her a home that's down Highway fifty in the
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Speaker 5: Sandobo area. So that's when he actually got a call.
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Speaker 5: I would say in that timeframe that he's turning around
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Speaker 5: and most likely going I mean, I can't swear that
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Speaker 5: that's what he's doing, but it would make sense that
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Speaker 5: that's the direction he would have had it to where
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Speaker 5: she lived previously.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this, Tammy. You're saying that you know
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Speaker 1: his cell phone records reveal he got a call from.
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Speaker 5: Who from his child's mother.
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Speaker 1: Okay, from the X all right, and you're saying that
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Speaker 1: him turning around would have been going in the direction
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Speaker 1: of her place.
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Speaker 5: Right right, because Sandoval, where she lived, is straight down
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Speaker 5: the Highway fifty. Where she lived prior to you, that
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Speaker 5: would have been at her guide's house, which she would
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Speaker 5: have it's out in the country. He would have went
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Speaker 5: down that Missouri out there beside.
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Speaker 1: Hugs, Okay, got it? And how far away would her
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Speaker 1: place have been from where he did the U turn?
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Speaker 5: The U turn was right behind Hugs the Salem, Illinois
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Speaker 5: gas station, maybe four miles five miles miss Rypond.
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Speaker 1: You're telling us that when Jared is making the U
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Speaker 1: turn to near his ex'es home. She was about four
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Speaker 1: miles away. But that was at the first gas stop
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Speaker 1: at two thirty two am. Is that right, yes, ma'am okay,
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Speaker 1: And he is seen alive and well at is that correct?
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton at the Illinois Hucks eight fifty am.
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Speaker 7: Eight fifty one am. So that would have been over
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Speaker 7: twelve hours later since when he left the home.
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Speaker 1: Yes, missus repond, what can you tell me? Can you
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Speaker 1: shed any light on the cooler and the bag being gone?
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Speaker 5: They weren't gone, They were in They were locked up
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Speaker 5: in the back seat in the cooler. You can barely
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Speaker 5: see it in the Farm Illinois video, but it's actually
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Speaker 5: in the front passing seat. And when this truck was found,
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Speaker 5: his suitcase was in the floorboard, wedged in there in
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Speaker 5: the back seat. It had been moved from the bed
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Speaker 5: of the truck inside the truck. And I find new
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Speaker 5: evidence along the way, such as those doors being left open.
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Speaker 5: I did my own, I guess kind of investigation. It
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Speaker 5: is impossible because she never carried a key though he
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Speaker 5: didn't like them, and so you only got one key
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Speaker 5: hole on that driver's door. So Therefore, it is impossible
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Speaker 5: for both the driver front and back to be unlocked.
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Speaker 5: But yet the passenger are supposed to be locked because
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Speaker 5: either it's all locked or it's all unlocked, you know,
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Speaker 5: whenever you put it in gear and you can't hit
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Speaker 5: the unlocked button if the battery's dead, and that would
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Speaker 5: be the only way to unlock it unless you lean
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Speaker 5: back and physically opened that back door. That'd be the
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Speaker 5: only way that happen.
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, I find that to be extremely important. The
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Speaker 1: way the doors would have been opened, the only ways
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Speaker 1: they would have been opened. Nate Eaton, what does that
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Speaker 1: mean to you?
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Speaker 7: What she just said, Well, it sounds like somebody would
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Speaker 7: have had to put the key in the front driver's
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Speaker 7: unlock it, opened the door, and then lean back to
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Speaker 7: the back seat to open that door while the passenger
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Speaker 7: doors remained locked, which would kind of be a bit
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Speaker 7: of a nuisance or a bit of a bother if
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Speaker 7: you were in a hurry or if you if you,
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Speaker 7: you know, wanted to quickly get out of there. The
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Speaker 7: question along though, is why were those two doors just
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Speaker 7: left open? I mean that that that's the bottom line,
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Speaker 7: with the dogs still sitting in there. One one push
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Speaker 7: up a button. With a key fob, you can unlock
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Speaker 7: all the doors and they remain unlocked. You can easily
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Speaker 7: access them. But if you actually have to physically have
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Speaker 7: the key to put it in the the lock to
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Speaker 7: unlock it, that takes more time, and that can that
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Speaker 7: can obviously be more complicated if you're trying to just
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Speaker 7: unlock the one door.
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Speaker 4: As time passes, memory fades. It's the small details in
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Speaker 4: cases like this that that really make a difference. If
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Speaker 4: someone saw him or or saw his truck somewhere and
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Speaker 4: now they've forgotten, we lose that, you know, we lose
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Speaker 4: that information.
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Speaker 1: From w T W O n W A w Z
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Speaker 1: straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining us tonight. He is
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Speaker 1: the director of Operations at USPA Nationwide Security. He oversees
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Speaker 1: a team of experts that literally go around the world finding, extracting,
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Speaker 1: recovering missing people. He is a former marine and an
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Speaker 1: Iraqi war vet. Brian, what do we do now and
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Speaker 1: what do you make of all the stops and what
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Speaker 1: can we learn from potential pings on his phone?
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Speaker 9: I'll tell you, Nancy, what's immediately troubling to me is
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Speaker 9: the state that the vehicle was found. To me that
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Speaker 9: this looks has all the hallmarks of a vehicle being
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Speaker 9: dumped here, that this was not the location that Jared
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Speaker 9: went missing. You know, the car running in order to
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Speaker 9: run out of gas, the doors open to keep the
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Speaker 9: dogs out. This is not behavior that somebody liked. Jared
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Speaker 9: was heading this way on a very intentional trip in
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Speaker 9: order to help out his son. This does not seem
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Speaker 9: this does not add up and has all the hallmarks
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Speaker 9: of staging.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say staging?
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Speaker 9: What reason did he have to come to this area? Right?
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Speaker 9: There was speculation about the body of water. He wasn't
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Speaker 9: coming here for a fishing trip. He had a very
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Speaker 9: specific reason that he made this last minute trek to
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Speaker 9: help out his child. This was not a trip that
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Speaker 9: he was going on for leisure. So when you find
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Speaker 9: the vehicle abandoned in this state, you know raises the
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Speaker 9: immediate question that was it Jared that drove it there
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Speaker 9: to its final destination?
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Speaker 1: Interesting, Brian, what do you make of the fact that
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Speaker 1: his beloved dogs were still in the car. He didn't
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Speaker 1: go anywhere without them.
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Speaker 9: That breaks the pattern of behavior and pattern of life
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Speaker 9: that Jared's mother shared with us in detail. That he
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Speaker 9: loved these dogs. He traveled everywhere with him. I'm a
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Speaker 9: dog owner myself, and I'm not going to leave my
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Speaker 9: dog behind in a vehicle, you know, with the door open.
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Speaker 9: That's not going to happen. So, you know, it does
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Speaker 9: break from his normal routine and from what we know about.
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Speaker 3: Him, these boats, between the lights and the sonar that
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Speaker 3: they have on him, allow us to get a lot
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Speaker 3: better picture of what's underneath that water. The technology that
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Speaker 3: we have on our boats, you know, is generally a
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Speaker 3: lot is generally a lot higher quality than a small
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Speaker 3: law enforcement agency can have.
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Speaker 4: The river has been searched with multiple K nine units
21:48
Speaker 4: that are nationally recognized. We've had boats. DNR has been
21:52
Speaker 4: involved and conducted several searches. We've used drones, We've had
21:57
Speaker 4: ground penetrated radar to look for any event that could
22:01
Speaker 4: lead us to Jared McCulloch.
22:03
Speaker 1: Does that Lynn too? Brian Fitzgibbons' theory that where his
22:08
Speaker 1: truck was found is not where Jared really disappeared. That
22:13
Speaker 1: video from our friends at WFIE, WTWN, WAWV. Nate Ayton
22:19
Speaker 1: tell me about the search for Jared. What did it entail?
22:23
Speaker 7: It entailed searches from the air with drones. It entailed
22:27
Speaker 7: deep underwater searches, watercraft searches. They brought out dog teams,
22:32
Speaker 7: they brought out people walking along the banks of the
22:34
Speaker 7: river in the area they did is they've done a
22:38
Speaker 7: pretty thorough investigation according to the police as far as
22:42
Speaker 7: looking for any sign of Jared, and they haven't found anything.
22:45
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what they did find in the truck, Nancy.
22:47
Speaker 7: Which was also interesting, is that the pack of cigarettes
22:52
Speaker 7: in the doorbin of the back seat was missing. Jared
22:56
Speaker 7: apparently had a Lucky cigarette inside of the package that
23:00
Speaker 7: was gone. Also, the interior dust of the back window
23:04
Speaker 7: showed scratch marks now that could have been from a dog.
23:08
Speaker 7: And some items including his flyers, flashlight, babe and cell
23:12
Speaker 7: phone as we talked about those were also gone. So
23:16
Speaker 7: a couple of items missing, but yet the expensive tools
23:19
Speaker 7: in the back remained in the truck.
23:21
Speaker 1: Let me see those scratch marks again, please, because that
23:23
Speaker 1: does not look like a dog's scratch marks. No, a
23:29
Speaker 1: dog didn't do that. That looks more like someone had
23:32
Speaker 1: made marks with their fingers, but definitely definitely not dog marks.
23:41
Speaker 1: And where were those marks? Mate eaten?
23:44
Speaker 7: Those marks were on the back window, so back of
23:48
Speaker 7: the truck right there, you can see behind the where
23:51
Speaker 7: they've been separating the toolbox in the back seat.
23:54
Speaker 1: And speaking of the back of the truck, listen, I.
23:57
Speaker 5: Think if people would look at the video, you can
23:59
Speaker 5: see that Jared's big cooler was in the passenger seat,
24:01
Speaker 5: so the dogs were only in the back. So if
24:04
Speaker 5: somebody jumped into the front had been a little bit
24:06
Speaker 5: difficult for them. I mean, they could have gotten up there,
24:08
Speaker 5: but they are also scared cats. And after seeing the
24:15
Speaker 5: pictures that of the truck the way it was originally found,
24:20
Speaker 5: I can see that there is a peace spot where
24:24
Speaker 5: Roxy was sitting and did not want to move from
24:27
Speaker 5: when they come out there. So and she only peas
24:29
Speaker 5: whenever she gets scared.
24:31
Speaker 1: As Jared's mom speaking to East Idaho News, straight back
24:34
Speaker 1: to Tammy McCulloch, repond, Jared's mother, what are you talking
24:40
Speaker 1: about right there? Explain?
24:42
Speaker 5: After I was able to see all the pictures that
24:44
Speaker 5: they took whenever they found the truck, that took some
24:47
Speaker 5: time for me to get closed. I could see that
24:49
Speaker 5: there was a spot there. A lot of people say that,
24:52
Speaker 5: well a German shepherd, nobody could do anything you know
24:55
Speaker 5: that she would bite somebody. But Roxy's the biggest sissy
24:59
Speaker 5: there is. She does when she gets scared, she hides
25:02
Speaker 5: behind somebody and she she tinkles. And I could see
25:06
Speaker 5: that spot in the sea where she sits all the time,
25:10
Speaker 5: Like there pictures that exact same spot.
25:13
Speaker 1: So what does that mean to you?
25:16
Speaker 5: As I've told people before, me and Detective far and
25:19
Speaker 5: he knows because we talk about this all the time.
25:21
Speaker 5: There's like a love hate relationship because she's about Jared's age,
25:24
Speaker 5: so I look at him kind of like my child now.
25:26
Speaker 5: But it depends on how things progress them. Whenever they
25:30
Speaker 5: removed Roxy May, she refused to leave from the truck,
25:34
Speaker 5: so they had to use one of those dog catch
25:36
Speaker 5: poles and pull her out. So it could have been
25:41
Speaker 5: then or it could have been prior to that. So
25:44
Speaker 5: I don't know as far as whether it was actually
25:46
Speaker 5: still damp or anything at that time.
25:48
Speaker 1: What about his garment, the garment that he usually kept
25:52
Speaker 1: in the glove compartment.
25:54
Speaker 5: I had completely forgotten about this until recently when I
25:57
Speaker 5: was because I go through those pictures over and over
25:59
Speaker 5: and over for him, seeing if I could find anything. Well,
26:02
Speaker 5: Jared didn't like to use his cell phone for maps.
26:06
Speaker 5: He liked to use the old garments, and that's what
26:09
Speaker 5: me and my husband always used to use. He's broke
26:12
Speaker 5: down when he came to West Virginia to see us
26:15
Speaker 5: a week prior. His garment did so we had give
26:19
Speaker 5: him our our other one. I can see in the
26:24
Speaker 5: pictures as a piece that you can see that garment
26:26
Speaker 5: in the glove box and most likely probably the one
26:30
Speaker 5: that wasn't working. I mean, not as just a guess,
26:33
Speaker 5: but I asked Detective Card. He said that he didn't
26:37
Speaker 5: have any of the garments you have won. So this
26:40
Speaker 5: is just here recently in the picture that he sent
26:44
Speaker 5: to me, you can obviously see one there. Never they
26:46
Speaker 5: recovered the truck.
26:47
Speaker 1: So it's missing. Doctor John Delatory joining US licensed psychologist
26:53
Speaker 1: specializing in forensic psychology, and you can find him at
26:58
Speaker 1: doctor John Delay, doctor Della Tory. So many things out
27:04
Speaker 1: of place. I want to hear your thoughts.
27:08
Speaker 10: My first thought is where is this text? Is you know,
27:11
Speaker 10: where is that that that his mother receives? Why is
27:15
Speaker 10: he sending this text for what purpose? Where is where
27:18
Speaker 10: is he being told to go? And by whom is
27:22
Speaker 10: he being told to go to a location that's near
27:25
Speaker 10: where the truck was found. That's the first thing that
27:28
Speaker 10: I'm thinking about, because I can certainly see how the
27:30
Speaker 10: truck could appear to have been abandoned. I could certainly see,
27:34
Speaker 10: you know, the cousin's original statement about you know, he
27:37
Speaker 10: stopped and you know, let the dog stretch us. I
27:39
Speaker 10: can see all of these things, But I want to
27:41
Speaker 10: know who he is talking to. If he's only talking
27:44
Speaker 10: to the X, then we need to press her more
27:47
Speaker 10: because it would most likely be that she knows more
27:50
Speaker 10: than she's been revealing. But if there was someone else,
27:53
Speaker 10: maybe they had met or something had happened where another
27:58
Speaker 10: person was then added. But why why would another person
28:01
Speaker 10: then be added to this conversation? For what purpose? That
28:06
Speaker 10: where is? That is the most standout thing to me,
28:09
Speaker 10: because why would it have been sent to his mother?
28:12
Speaker 10: If it was sent to her on purpose, then that
28:15
Speaker 10: tells us sort of what else is going on. If
28:17
Speaker 10: it was done accidentally, that it was meant to be
28:20
Speaker 10: sent to either someone else or to the ex, then
28:23
Speaker 10: there's more that is going on than has either been
28:27
Speaker 10: revealed by the ex or been revealed by police.
28:31
Speaker 1: So to you, Tammy, Miss Tammy, what do you make
28:34
Speaker 1: of that text.
28:35
Speaker 5: Jared had a tendency of texting the wrong people. He
28:39
Speaker 5: wasn't good with technology, so I never replied back and
28:43
Speaker 5: something that I'll always regread because I just figured he
28:47
Speaker 5: was talking to somebody else, like one of his bosses
28:50
Speaker 5: or somebody here it come. So I never never texted.
28:54
Speaker 1: Doctor delatory way in.
28:57
Speaker 10: Yeah, I still think that the conversations that he was
29:00
Speaker 10: having with the X I think point to number one,
29:04
Speaker 10: maybe a level of increasing frustration. We don't actually know.
29:08
Speaker 10: These are phone calls that are being having, so we
29:09
Speaker 10: don't know exactly what they're speaking about, and so we
29:13
Speaker 10: could certainly if there's something new at it, if there's
29:17
Speaker 10: some other kind of reason why she's drawing him in
29:21
Speaker 10: besides you know, taking care of the sun. Maybe she
29:24
Speaker 10: needs something else from him and he's been refusing and
29:28
Speaker 10: she's using the sun as a lure for him. There's
29:31
Speaker 10: more to what's going on that The text of where
29:34
Speaker 10: is that suggests to me that he's being confused. He's
29:39
Speaker 10: being led somewhere, and the only person that would be
29:42
Speaker 10: leading him to a place that he didn't know would
29:45
Speaker 10: be the X. So we need to have more of
29:47
Speaker 10: a conversation about what these two were talking about and
29:50
Speaker 10: why what.
29:52
Speaker 1: About it, Brian?
29:53
Speaker 9: The number of these calls, and Tammy's done an excellent
29:56
Speaker 9: job putting together this timeline. These calls were not taken place,
30:01
Speaker 9: you know, during normal hours. These were happening in the
30:04
Speaker 9: middle of the night as Jared was making this track,
30:10
Speaker 9: So there has to be more of a narrative around
30:14
Speaker 9: what was being communicated, what was going on, And I
30:17
Speaker 9: think that that's an important piece that directly ties to
30:21
Speaker 9: those final hours of cell phone activity that we can verify.
30:25
Speaker 5: I am strongly suspecting foul play.
30:29
Speaker 11: Yeah, we have some information that hasn't been released, so
30:31
Speaker 11: going off that information and what has been released, we
30:34
Speaker 11: definitely think foul play. We definitely think the truck was planted.
30:37
Speaker 11: We think the shoes were thrown to just throw someone off.
30:41
Speaker 4: The Walbass River is right there, and if I was
30:44
Speaker 4: a betting man, I would have to say that's probably
30:46
Speaker 4: where his phone is.
30:48
Speaker 1: From our friends at the vanished podcast night Eton, what
30:52
Speaker 1: can you tell me about the shoes.
30:54
Speaker 7: The shoes were completely discarded as we know, and we're
30:57
Speaker 7: not we're found with the try near the same area.
31:02
Speaker 7: And the question is too as they mentioned in that
31:05
Speaker 7: sound bite, the phone, no track of that, no able
31:11
Speaker 7: to they have been able to track that. I do
31:13
Speaker 7: think it's interesting and touching in a way that Tammy
31:16
Speaker 7: has kept that phone active, hoping that if our kid
31:20
Speaker 7: kept the number alive, they continue to pay for the bill,
31:23
Speaker 7: hoping that if somebody calls it, if if Jared is
31:25
Speaker 7: able to get through to it, or someone calls it
31:28
Speaker 7: with a tip, that they might be able to get that.
31:33
Speaker 1: There is Jared driving along in the same vehicle that
31:38
Speaker 1: was found by the side of the road. Next you're
31:41
Speaker 1: seeing him having fun horsing around after work with his
31:46
Speaker 1: work buddies. They're at the construction site. They're all playing
31:50
Speaker 1: outside the construction site, and we are showing him busy
31:58
Speaker 1: at work. This is a guy that supported his children,
32:01
Speaker 1: that worked hard tonight, his mom asking for your help
32:07
Speaker 1: finding him. Brave, it's Gibbons. I'm not sure why we're
32:11
Speaker 1: not hearing information about the cloud, the last pings the
32:18
Speaker 1: NAV system in his truck. How can that help us?
32:23
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there was some information and Tammy could
32:26
Speaker 9: correct me if I'm wrong, but there was some information
32:28
Speaker 9: about the last ping on Jared's phone in the location
32:33
Speaker 9: of that you know, being a couple of miles from
32:36
Speaker 9: a specific cell tower. How much can it help us?
32:40
Speaker 9: You know, Hey, it narrows down the last location of
32:42
Speaker 9: that phone, right, that's an immediate good place to search,
32:46
Speaker 9: and it may have indeed already been searched by law enforcement.
32:50
Speaker 9: I think at this point, a couple of years into this,
32:54
Speaker 9: what's going to break the case is new information from
32:58
Speaker 9: somebody who knew what Jared was doing, who he was
33:02
Speaker 9: meeting up with, where he was going in those final
33:05
Speaker 9: hours that we have communication documented from him. The cell
33:09
Speaker 9: phone tells that timeline of his last communications, and what
33:15
Speaker 9: can break this case is somebody coming forward with information
33:19
Speaker 9: to fill in the picture of what was going on
33:21
Speaker 9: in those hours.
33:23
Speaker 1: Temmy, what do you know about pains?
33:26
Speaker 5: To my knowledge, all they did was the last cell
33:28
Speaker 5: phone pain, which I think, in my opinion, it would help.
33:31
Speaker 5: Prior to they explained that they couldn't get anything off
33:34
Speaker 5: the eder and the truck, but I believe that they
33:38
Speaker 5: probably could. I could be wrong on this, so I
33:41
Speaker 5: couldn't correct me. But when the truck sent out the
33:44
Speaker 5: low battery alert to my email, that should have sent
33:50
Speaker 5: from the truck to a cell tower of sorts the
33:53
Speaker 5: way I read I'm just learning. So they should have
33:57
Speaker 5: been able to get something off that eder too, because
33:59
Speaker 5: if we could try where the truck was prior, not where,
34:02
Speaker 5: not where it ended up, but where the truck and
34:04
Speaker 5: Jared's phone were prior, that would let narrow down on
34:08
Speaker 5: a lot of places to look.
34:10
Speaker 1: At least, guys, you were seeing shots of Jared and
34:15
Speaker 1: tonight his mother is begging for your help, Miss Tammy.
34:20
Speaker 1: How far away was the last ping known ping on
34:25
Speaker 1: his phone from where his truck was actually found?
34:28
Speaker 5: It was last pinged off the mountain Parmel, Illinois tower,
34:32
Speaker 5: which puts it in a two point four mile radius,
34:36
Speaker 5: which would put his truck where it was found in
34:39
Speaker 5: that radius. But you still have a wide area.
34:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, brib As Gibbons. I believe that pings, I mean
34:46
Speaker 1: they can be pinpoint accurate. They can be within a
34:51
Speaker 1: few feet, a few yards a block from where the
34:54
Speaker 1: phone actually is when it pings off cell tower. I
34:59
Speaker 1: don't know that the phone would ping and show two
35:04
Speaker 1: point eight miles away from where it actually is. I
35:08
Speaker 1: believe that that ping is accurate where his cell phone
35:12
Speaker 1: was last and that the truck was then taken two
35:15
Speaker 1: point eight miles away from where he was with his
35:18
Speaker 1: cell phone.
35:20
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's certainly tiers to the data on how and
35:24
Speaker 9: not knowing exactly how that was pulled? Was this a
35:28
Speaker 9: tower dump? Was this generalized information coming from the towers?
35:34
Speaker 9: But you know it's either going to give you a
35:36
Speaker 9: radius or a very specific location. And I think in
35:40
Speaker 9: this case, and I'll go back to it, what's really
35:45
Speaker 9: bothering me is that this trip was entirely intentional. Jared
35:51
Speaker 9: left there with a very specific purpose. He was communicating
35:55
Speaker 9: with a very limited number of people, namely one that
35:59
Speaker 9: we know about. Right what happened in those final hours
36:03
Speaker 9: when his phone goes dark, when he stops using it,
36:06
Speaker 9: when he stops communicating. We need to fill in the
36:09
Speaker 9: specifics and paint that picture of that timeline.
36:13
Speaker 1: Do Tammy McCulloch repond. This is Jared's mother. What is
36:17
Speaker 1: your message tonight?
36:19
Speaker 5: Whoever knows anything, please reach out and you can reach
36:23
Speaker 5: out to Missing in America Network. They've got a tip
36:27
Speaker 5: line set up eight four four AM I a loss.
36:33
Speaker 5: You can remain anonymous there. You can also send in
36:37
Speaker 5: a tip through our EO box that we have set
36:40
Speaker 5: up and tipline Family tip line. I know some people
36:44
Speaker 5: tend to be afraid to come forward. There's nobody. Somebody
36:48
Speaker 5: did not see Jared at that time. Any little piece helps.
36:54
Speaker 5: We just need to bring home. It's way past time.
36:57
Speaker 5: You miss him home. It's constant, sir. I'm working pretty
37:03
Speaker 5: much every day going through paperwork. Jared was the only
37:07
Speaker 5: son that I had left or have left. I need
37:11
Speaker 5: him home. We need we need answers. His children need
37:15
Speaker 5: the answers. It's exhausting. It's exhausting to my husband, who
37:21
Speaker 5: was like a father to Jared. It's affecting everybody. And
37:24
Speaker 5: his children need answers.
37:27
Speaker 1: It's it's time, mistery Pod. Thank you for joining us.
37:32
Speaker 1: I mean, it just means so much more to have
37:35
Speaker 1: you speaking on his behalf.
37:37
Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing his story, because honestly, a lot
37:40
Speaker 5: of people are afraid of you, and I think I
37:43
Speaker 5: think your bulldog attitude is going to scare some people,
37:45
Speaker 5: and so some answer this is what I'm hoping for.
37:50
Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope. So I'm going to take that
37:52
Speaker 1: in the best possible life. That number again, eight four
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Speaker 1: four M I A L O S T MI IA lost.
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Speaker 1: That's eight four four six four two five six seven
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Speaker 1: eight eight four four six four two five six seven eight.
38:14
Speaker 1: His mom still keeps his cell phone activated and going
38:21
Speaker 1: in case, somehow, some way a tip comes through. If
38:27
Speaker 1: you know anything, or think you know anything about Jared's disappearance,
38:32
Speaker 1: please dial Notts County Sheriffs eight poe two eight A
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Speaker 1: two seven six six Oh there is a two thousand,
38:39
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars reward or eight four four six four
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Speaker 1: two five six seven eight. We remember American hero Officer
38:49
Speaker 1: Stephen Anderson, Utah Department Corrections, shot in the line of duty,
38:55
Speaker 1: leaving behind five children. Sean, Sherry, Lise. It's a Melanie
39:01
Speaker 1: and Michelle American hero Officer Stephen Anderson. Thank you to
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Speaker 1: our guests, but especially to you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you
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Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,