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It Was Fauci - CIA Whistleblower · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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Speaker 2: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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Speaker 1: and I'll talk about it when there is more to
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Speaker 1: talk about, when we hear more of what happened. There
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Speaker 1: is something to talk about tonight. Though there was a
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Speaker 1: Senate hearing on Capitol Hill, with a CIA whistleblower on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get into that here in this hour. Also,
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Speaker 1: to Georgia since 2020. We've been discussing this quite a
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Speaker 1: bit on this program throughout the years. And Mark Davis
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Speaker 1: is an interesting guy. He is an expert witness that
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Speaker 1: has been doing things on Georgia elections for almost a
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Speaker 1: program in just a few minutes. I'm Booker. This is
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Speaker 1: The Truth Be Told. Thank you for joining us. If
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Speaker 1: you're listening live, fantastic. Great to have you. If you
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Speaker 1: found us later on a podcast, thank you for making
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Speaker 1: that extra effort. I really do appreciate it. The CIA
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Speaker 1: whistleblower that went to the Senate and had this hearing,
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Speaker 1: Rand Paul and Senator Ron Johnson, both of them were
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Speaker 1: there and instrumental in this hearing. They both did a
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Speaker 1: great job. And this had to do with the COVID
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Speaker 1: origins and where it actually came from. I think most
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Speaker 1: of us here, if you're listening to this program or myself,
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Speaker 1: we always knew that it came from a Wuhan lab.
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Speaker 1: It was made. It was man-made. It was created here.
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Speaker 1: Probably by Dr. Fauci, and we're trying to get to
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Speaker 1: the truth, and that's what this hearing was about. The
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Speaker 1: CIA whistleblower decided to come forward. Unfortunately, if you paid
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Speaker 1: attention to this hearing, you saw that there were no
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Speaker 1: Democrats there. Not one. They really don't care about the truth,
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Speaker 1: or they're afraid that the truth will come out, and
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Speaker 1: they'll realize that they covered everything up. Because that's what
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Speaker 1: happened here. I brought it to you on this program
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Speaker 1: back in March of 2023. I talked about it last week.
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Speaker 1: that Dr. Robert Redfield testified that three things happened in
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Speaker 1: that Wuhan lab. It is now declassified, and it has
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Speaker 1: been declassified for three years, but it is obvious to
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Speaker 1: anyone that can read that something happened in that Wuhan
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Speaker 1: lab that created COVID, and it got away from them,
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Speaker 1: or they did it intentionally. They allowed COVID to go out.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people believe that. Are we ever going
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Speaker 1: to really find the truth? I found it interesting that
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Speaker 1: the Democrats didn't care about it, and when you look
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Speaker 1: at the mainstream media, they didn't either. So as big
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Speaker 1: a deal as I believe this is, and maybe you
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Speaker 1: feel the same way, it really isn't because it's not
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Speaker 1: going to change anyone's mind about this because the people
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Speaker 1: that need to see it and need to know about it,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to see it. I just did a
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Speaker 1: Google search. I just put in CIA whistleblower. Guess who
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Speaker 1: is doing any coverage of this? Fox News and Fox Business.
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Speaker 1: That's it. and some right-wing conservative media. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC,
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Speaker 1: none of them are doing anything on the CIA whistleblower
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Speaker 1: that gave this testimony that I'm going to go through here.
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Speaker 1: And Senator Ron Johnson was begging the mainstream media to
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Speaker 1: show this. They haven't. They continue to cover it up
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Speaker 1: because they were either complicit or stupid. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: which one. But they don't now want to come out
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Speaker 1: and say, oh, look at this. The Wuhan lab leaked
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Speaker 1: COVID in China. We couldn't even say China back then.
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Speaker 1: If you remember that, they tried to correct President Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump when he would do a press conference. Many of
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Speaker 1: us on social media. that were bringing it to the
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Speaker 1: attention of the American people. We got censored and silenced,
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Speaker 1: and we know now that it was the Biden administration
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Speaker 1: working with big tech, Google and Twitter and Facebook, that
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Speaker 1: shut those voices down. So in a way, you can't
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Speaker 1: even blame half the country or more who don't believe
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Speaker 1: this because the voices that were trying to bring the
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Speaker 1: truth to them, they were shut down. That's a problem
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Speaker 1: with censorship, but that's what we lived through. The CIA whistleblower,
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Speaker 1: James Erdman, and he accused Anthony Fauci of playing an
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Speaker 1: intentional role in the agency, scrapping a plan to announce
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Speaker 1: the virus was leaked from the Wuhan lab. This goes
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Speaker 1: all the way back to 2021 when COVID was still happening.
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Speaker 1: He says Fauci is the one that covered that up,
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Speaker 1: and the CIA did not announce that it came from
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Speaker 1: the Wuhan lab in 2021. And there was also a
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Speaker 1: hearing done in the House of Representatives years ago. I
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Speaker 1: remember watching this, and it was Representative Jim Jordan that
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Speaker 1: was asking the questions then about why the story changed.
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Speaker 1: Why was there two possibilities going into a weekend and
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Speaker 1: coming out of the weekend? There was only one. The
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Speaker 1: two possibilities are it was a bat soup and a
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Speaker 1: wet market in Wuhan. The other one was a leak
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Speaker 1: from a lab. After the weekend was over, there was
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Speaker 1: only one option, and that option was it was bat
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Speaker 1: soup from a web market. James Erdman here is also
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Speaker 1: going to talk about something that happened in 2021 in
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Speaker 1: five days that changed the narrative. Let's go to opening statements.
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Speaker 1: Here is CIA whistleblower James Erdman.
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Speaker 3: Intelligence community leaders and senior analysts downplayed the possibility that
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Speaker 3: the COVID pandemic originated as a result of a lab incident.
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Speaker 3: Motives are difficult to define given the scope of the
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Speaker 3: Diggs review. Intentional or not, the IC's actions resulted in
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Speaker 3: a cover-up, wasted resources, and a failure to properly inform policymakers.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to what I was talking
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Speaker 1: about with Jim Jordan here. The motive. The motive. Why
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Speaker 1: did this change? Why did the narrative change to only
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Speaker 1: one possibility? Jim Jordan asked the question. The answer was no.
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Speaker 1: nine million dollars. There was a nine million dollar grant
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Speaker 1: or nine million dollars in grants to two different people
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Speaker 1: that changed everything. They wrote a letter and said without
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Speaker 1: a doubt that this was bad soup from a wet
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Speaker 1: market in Wuhan. And that letter was repeated by the
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Speaker 1: New York Times and that became the narrative. And it
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Speaker 1: was Anthony Fauci that gave the nine million dollars in
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Speaker 1: grants to I think it was about three or four
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Speaker 1: months after that letter. So there you have the motive.
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Speaker 1: There you have the person who did it in Anthony Fauci.
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Speaker 1: If you pay attention to all of these hearings and
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Speaker 1: you put all of them together, you can put it
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Speaker 1: together as to what happened when COVID was here. And
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Speaker 1: there was a cover-up. We knew it then. We know
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Speaker 1: it now. Unfortunately, as I said, Mainstream media isn't covering it,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know that the people that need to
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Speaker 1: hear this will ever hear it or ever know it. Dr.
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Speaker 3: Fauci's role in the cover-up was intentional.
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Speaker 4: Dr.
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Speaker 3: Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his
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Speaker 3: position to ensure the IC consulted with a conflicted list
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Speaker 3: of curated subject matter experts, public health officials, and scientists.
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Speaker 3: This included some of the authors of the paper, The
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Speaker 3: Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2, and other public health experts who
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Speaker 3: have been in his orbit for the last 20-plus years.
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Speaker 3: Some of the scientists were part of the Biological Sciences
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Speaker 3: Experts Group, or the BSEG, an Office of Director National
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Speaker 3: Intelligence Advisory Body, whose members often receive considerable funding from
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Speaker 3: NIAID and public health agencies. BSEG scientists influence national laboratory
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Speaker 3: WMD research, policy decisions, finished analysis, and other intelligence matters,
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Speaker 3: creating misaligned incentives and conflicts of interest.
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Speaker 1: Very interesting testimony there. And while we're talking about the CIA,
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Speaker 1: CIA Director Tulsi Gabbard, a spokesperson for her, denies that
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Speaker 1: there was a CIA raid. Let's get into this just
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Speaker 1: a minute, and then we'll get back to that hearing.
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Speaker 1: Olivia Coleman is the name of this spokesperson, and she
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Speaker 1: says this is false. The CIA did not raid the
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Speaker 1: DNI's office. That is because Jesse Waters put it out
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Speaker 1: that that did happen. Who knows? I don't know who
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Speaker 1: to believe anymore. Jesse Waters said, breaking, the CIA just
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Speaker 1: raided Tulsi Gabbard's office. Holy smokes. Waters says the Fauci whistleblower,
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Speaker 1: James Erdman III, claimed while in court yesterday that the
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Speaker 1: files were actively being prepared for public release when the
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Speaker 1: CIA allegedly stepped in and took possessions of them. Now,
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Speaker 1: this spokesperson for Tulsi Gabbard and DNI says that did
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Speaker 1: not happen. So who knows? Let's wait again for a
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Speaker 1: couple of days and let the dust settle, and maybe
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Speaker 1: we'll find out some truth. It took us five years
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Speaker 1: to find out the truth on COVID, but here we are.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Senator Rand Paul. Rand Paul has been
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Speaker 1: a dog on Fauci for years. Thank goodness one senator was.
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Speaker 1: He has been. The statute of limitations has now run
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Speaker 1: out on Fauci. He is not going to be held
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Speaker 1: accountable for anything. But here is Senator Rand Paul.
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Speaker 5: Is it your testimony that there is still resistance from
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Speaker 5: the CIA to comply with the law we passed to
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Speaker 5: declassify all the COVID information?
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I believe as a result of that line of question
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Speaker 1: from Senator Rand Paul, Representative Ana Paulina Luna from Congressional
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Speaker 1: District 13 in Florida put this post out. The CIA
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Speaker 1: has 24 hours to return the documents to Tulsi Gabbard's
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Speaker 1: office or else I will make a motion to issue
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Speaker 1: a subpoena. These documents have been requested by Congress. Leading
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Speaker 1: report also put this information out. CIA seized 40 boxes
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Speaker 1: of JFK and MKUltra files that were being processed by
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Speaker 1: the Office of Director of National Intelligence, ODNI, for declassification.
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Speaker 1: This is per this whistleblower, James Erdman. Again, this has
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Speaker 1: to do with JFK, MKUltra files, and the DNI, at
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Speaker 1: least the spokesperson for the office, is saying this did
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Speaker 1: not happen. Let's go back to Rand Paul.
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Speaker 5: One of the things that I think is new today
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Speaker 5: that I'm hearing from your testimony is that from an
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Speaker 5: early period of time, you believe in the information you're
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Speaker 5: aware of is that CIA scientists from an early time
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Speaker 5: after the pandemic began 2020, 2021 were concluding that the
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Speaker 5: lab leak was the most likely hypothesis.
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Speaker 7: Yes, Senator.
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Speaker 3: I'd like to offer some qualifications on that as well.
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Speaker 3: A lot of the issues occurred at the interagency space,
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Speaker 3: at the National Intelligence Council, the individuals responsible for conducting
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Speaker 3: or writing WMD analysis. And many of those individuals are
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Speaker 3: on JDA from the CIA. But yes, very early, as
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Speaker 3: early as 2020, there were agencies within the IC circulating
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Speaker 3: papers that said, hey, there's, for example, DOE circulated a
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Speaker 3: paper in May of 2020 that said that all the
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Speaker 3: conditions were present for a lab leak. And I could
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Speaker 3: go through the timeline, but yes, my short answer is yes,
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Speaker 3: periodically throughout 2020 all the way to 2024.
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 5: I think the arguments, you know, pro and con for
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Speaker 5: what is the evidence on whether this came from a
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Speaker 5: lab or came from nature are still important. So for years,
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Speaker 5: we've been asking the CIA to produce the scientists either
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Speaker 5: in a classified setting or a public setting to discuss
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Speaker 5: the arguments. I don't see any reason why the argument
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Speaker 5: should be classified. You know, one of the arguments that's
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Speaker 5: made publicly is that the source looks like it came
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Speaker 5: from a single source of RNA, not like five different
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Speaker 5: types of viruses or 20 different types. like you had
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Speaker 5: with SARS 2003, but it came from one source. And
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Speaker 5: virtually everybody argues that sort of indicates a lab and
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Speaker 5: not a nature. And so those arguments are important scientific
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Speaker 5: arguments to have, but we've been prevented from having them.
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Speaker 5: We've been preventing from getting all of the declassified information.
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Speaker 1: Now I want to go back to what was declassified
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Speaker 1: back in 2023, the three things that happened in that lab.
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Speaker 1: There was an air filtration system changed. The Army of China,
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Speaker 1: the PLA, took over control of that lab. And the
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Speaker 1: genetic sequencing of everything in that lab, the scientists' work
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Speaker 1: that they had worked on their entire lives, disappeared. And
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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. So it was pretty obvious that something
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Speaker 1: happened at that lab in Wuhan. in 2019. September 2019
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Speaker 1: is when those things took place. That is now declassified.
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Speaker 1: So when you put these little pieces together, these nuggets
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Speaker 1: along the way, it's clear to see what happened. And
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Speaker 1: as I said, most of the country is not seeing this.
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Speaker 1: Only Fox News and Fox Business are putting it on television.
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Speaker 1: The mainstream media is not. And do a Google search.
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Speaker 1: You'll see it yourself. If the people that need to
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Speaker 1: see it aren't seeing it, what is the point of
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Speaker 1: even doing it?
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Speaker 5: What I think is of importance that's new today is
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Speaker 5: that your testimony is that the CIA scientists were concluding
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Speaker 5: that it was lab, but then there was a 90-day
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Speaker 5: study in 2021. And this study was done by NIC,
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Speaker 5: led by NIC. Tell us what NIC is again.
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Speaker 3: It's the National Intelligence Council, and individuals responsible for writing
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Speaker 3: various WMD and bio-related issues led that.
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Speaker 5: So when they had this study, they had CIA scientists
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Speaker 5: telling them, look, the evidence, the scientific evidence looks.
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Speaker 3: Like it came from the lab.
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Speaker 5: But then they brought in Anthony Fauci. And is it
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Speaker 5: your opinion that Anthony Fauci... was able to overrule the
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Speaker 5: scientist or get NIC to conclude somehow that there wasn't
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Speaker 5: a conclusion to be had here, we're going to be neutral,
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Speaker 5: contradicting what the scientists were telling them?
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what was testified by the two people
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Speaker 1: that changed everything. They were paid $ 9 million by Anthony
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Speaker 1: Fauci through a grant. That's what happened.
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Speaker 3: So there's two questions there, and I want to break
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Speaker 3: them up into two. One is, Where were the injection points, Dr.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Fauci? Where did Dr. Anthony Fauci and when did
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Speaker 3: he inject himself into the IC? And the other half
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Speaker 3: of that question, and I don't want to extrapolate too
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Speaker 3: much here, is, okay, what happened with, why was there
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Speaker 3: a change in analysis?
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Speaker 1: And we know that answer because of Anthony Fauci and
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Speaker 1: $ 9 million in grants. That was a different hearing. That
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Speaker 1: was a very long time ago. I played it on
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Speaker 1: the show when it did happen. Here's a little more
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Speaker 1: of James Erdman, the whistleblower from the CIA.
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Speaker 3: Health policy would have been very different had the American
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Speaker 3: public been made aware that a virus from a lab
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Speaker 3: in China was going to serve as the foundation for
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Speaker 3: an emergency use authorization mRNA products.
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Speaker 1: Here we go.
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Speaker 3: Being mandated by the former administration.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 3: Fauci's role in the cover-up was intentional.
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Speaker 7: Dr.
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Speaker 3: Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings... by leveraging his
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Speaker 3: position to ensure the IC consulted with a conflicted list
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Speaker 3: of curated subject matter experts, public health officials, and scientists.
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Speaker 1: That was a pretty important point he made there about
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Speaker 1: the MRNA and the way everybody reacted to COVID. And
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Speaker 1: we weren't allowed to ask questions or we were censored.
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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, he did a great job
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Speaker 1: in this hearing. Let's go to him.
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Speaker 3: 1.1 question.
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Speaker 4: Just received this from Liz Lyon, the CIA Director of
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Speaker 4: Public Affairs. The committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing
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Speaker 4: an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA. Despite
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Speaker 4: having already obtained closed-door testimony from the individual previously, the
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Speaker 4: witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower in
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Speaker 4: pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the
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Speaker 4: subpoena issued by Chairman Paul. This proceeding amounts to nothing
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Speaker 4: more than a dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional
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Speaker 4: hearing as the CIA has already assessed COVID-19 most likely
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Speaker 4: originated from the lab leak, and efforts to undermine that
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Speaker 4: conclusion are disingenuous. I am calling on CIA Director Radcliffe
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Speaker 4: and this person to apologize to Chairman Paul and this committee.
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Speaker 1: This is not political theater.
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Speaker 4: I have years and years and years of built-up frustration
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Speaker 4: of agencies like the CIA, Department of Justice, the FBI, HHS,
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Speaker 4: snubbing our oversight.
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Speaker 1: Giving us the big middle finger. And he's right. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what those agencies have done. They are supposed to
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Speaker 1: be held accountable by the people. Senator Rand Paul, Senator
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Speaker 1: Ron Johnson, they are the people. They are our elected
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Speaker 1: officials that have oversight responsibility. And if these agencies within
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Speaker 1: government are pushing back against that oversight, then who is
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Speaker 1: running this country? It's not a government for the people
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Speaker 1: and by the people, then is it? One more thing
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Speaker 1: from Senator Ron Johnson.
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Speaker 4: When you get to the bottom of this, and right
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Speaker 4: now I'm just using this moment, I need the mainstream media, CBS, ABC, CNN,
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Speaker 4: to step forward and start covering what is a major scandal.
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Speaker 4: How many thousands, tens, hundreds of thousands of people are
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Speaker 4: permanently disabled or possibly lost their life because our FDA
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Speaker 4: hid the fact. that there were safety signals screaming at
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Speaker 4: them with the COVID injection. So again, you can't answer
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Speaker 4: all my questions in terms of who's, but we need
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Speaker 4: to figure out who is running this deep state.
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Speaker 1: Great question. We need to figure that out. Who is
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Speaker 1: running the deep state of the United States of America?
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Speaker 1: They are the ones really running the government. It's not
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Speaker 1: the people. You can tell that. And so many people
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Speaker 1: became sick because of the mRNA vaccine they took that
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Speaker 1: was also covered up by the FDA. Mark Davis, an
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Speaker 1: expert in Georgia elections. He's coming up next.
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Speaker 2: More truth in minutes on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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Speaker 1: Someone asked me the other day, how do you even
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Speaker 1: get a sense of what's going to happen next? It's hard.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we can the way the news
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Speaker 1: moves so fast. But you know what I told them?
19:42
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Speaker 1: pulse on what the public actually believes. And you can
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Speaker 1: see trends before they even happen and before they even
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Speaker 1: It's about understanding the probabilities and where the momentum is shifting.
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Speaker 1: If you like or love the news like I do,
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Speaker 1: maybe you're a news junkie, but you want to take
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Truth Be Told. And when I
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Speaker 1: think about the 2020 election, my mind goes to a
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Speaker 1: few places. Detroit, it goes to Atlanta, Georgia. That's really
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Speaker 1: the main two places it goes to. But there were
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Speaker 1: other places too. There are many questions that many people
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Speaker 1: still have. And the way I look at Georgia, I've
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time looking at Georgia and dealing
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Speaker 1: with that Georgia election in 2020. I look at that
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Speaker 1: Georgia election sort of like a middle school girlfriend. Every
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Speaker 1: once in a while, there's a breakup. There isn't a
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Speaker 1: lot of news coming from Georgia. And then something happens
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Speaker 1: and everybody gets excited and thinks we're going to get
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Speaker 1: all the answers and there is going to be accountability
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Speaker 1: and transparency. And then you break up again. And that's
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Speaker 1: sort of the way my middle school relationships were. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I think we have with Georgia when it
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Speaker 1: comes to the 2020 election. I'm going to bring somebody
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Speaker 1: into the program now that has an incredible amount of
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Speaker 1: experience with voter rolls in the state of Georgia. He's
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Speaker 1: been around it for 40 years. He started this long
21:48
Speaker 1: before 2020. His name is Mark Davis, and he's been
21:52
Speaker 1: around Georgia politics since 1986. His dad was Guy Davis.
21:57
Speaker 1: He ran for governor in the state of Georgia, and
21:59
Speaker 1: his dad really was instrumental in making the Republican Party
22:04
Speaker 1: something that it never had been before in Georgia. If
22:07
Speaker 1: you don't know the history, Georgia was very much a
22:09
Speaker 1: Democrat state up until about 1986 when Guy Davis ran
22:14
Speaker 1: for governor. He had a good showing then. Let's bring
22:18
Speaker 1: Mark Davis into the program now. Mark, thank you for
22:20
Speaker 1: coming on the program and doing this segment here.
22:23
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
22:24
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into a little bit about your background
22:27
Speaker 1: because I think it's important that people understand that this
22:31
Speaker 1: isn't something new for you since 2020. You have been
22:34
Speaker 1: digging into Georgia politics and races, election, voter rolls for many,
22:40
Speaker 1: many years. Talk about that for just a minute.
22:42
Speaker 8: Okay, so back in the early 90s, I started producing
22:46
Speaker 8: enhanced voter databases for candidates. At the time, the only
22:51
Speaker 8: place you could really get quality voter data and quality,
22:55
Speaker 8: I'll put in quotes, was from the RNC itself.
22:58
Speaker 7: And you weren't able to get the data until you
23:01
Speaker 7: became the nominee.
23:04
Speaker 8: That happened in dad's race and it aggravated me. So
23:08
Speaker 8: I started building voter databases. And this was before the
23:12
Speaker 8: 1993 NBRA passed. And then when it rolled out, I
23:17
Speaker 8: could go to the Secretary of State's office and get
23:20
Speaker 8: Empire State on a CD, but it was expensive. So
23:26
Speaker 8: that's what kind of got me started in working with
23:30
Speaker 8: voter data back in the day, was dad's campaign and
23:33
Speaker 8: then those activities. But then in 2002, I had been
23:37
Speaker 8: seeing some irregularities in the voter data that I went
23:41
Speaker 8: before the state election board to talk about people who
23:45
Speaker 8: were registered where they didn't live and people who were
23:48
Speaker 8: improperly distrited.
23:51
Speaker 7: And I got a lot of pushback from the.
23:52
Speaker 8: Secretary of State at the time, but we had a
23:55
Speaker 8: disaster of a race in House District 1 that year.
23:59
Speaker 8: And The chairman of the Georgia Republican Party asked me
24:03
Speaker 8: to go up there and serve as an expert witness,
24:06
Speaker 8: and I did. And I've been doing it ever since.
24:11
Speaker 8: So far, about 23 years of those cases, so I'm
24:15
Speaker 8: pretty experienced with it.
24:16
Speaker 1: Overall, what have you seen over those 23 years? What
24:20
Speaker 1: do you see in Georgia's voter rolls?
24:23
Speaker 8: We have really bad problems with residency here. And it's
24:28
Speaker 8: really interesting because I learned recently, just how far back
24:33
Speaker 8: it goes. Georgia is kind of unique in that we
24:36
Speaker 8: actually execute what's called a voter certificate when we go
24:39
Speaker 8: to vote. And that's us attesting under oath that we
24:44
Speaker 8: are who we say we are and that we live
24:47
Speaker 8: where we say we live. And lying on one of
24:50
Speaker 8: those certificates is a felony. What's interesting about that, and
24:55
Speaker 8: what's always puzzled me about that, is that The residency
24:59
Speaker 8: violation itself, in other words, voting in the wrong county,
25:04
Speaker 8: is under OCGA 21-2-217, is the residency statutes, and it's
25:13
Speaker 8: 218 that people get prosecuted under, specifically OCGA 21-2-218F, which
25:22
Speaker 8: prohibits us from voting in the wrong county. Violating that
25:28
Speaker 8: statute is just a misdemeanor. So I've always been puzzled
25:32
Speaker 8: why the violation is a misdemeanor, but lying on the
25:36
Speaker 8: voter certificate is the serious felony.
25:39
Speaker 7: So I went back and researched it. And here's what
25:41
Speaker 7: I learned. This is fun stuff.
25:44
Speaker 8: So in the election of 1892, we had an incumbent Republican.
25:52
Speaker 8: We had a Republican who was elected. And then he
25:55
Speaker 8: was running again as an incumbent in 1894. And there
26:00
Speaker 8: was so much fraud in that election, it was incredible.
26:05
Speaker 8: We had ballots for the Republican who were destroyed. We
26:10
Speaker 8: had double voting. We had people from outside the county
26:16
Speaker 8: voting in that congressional district. We had people coming in
26:19
Speaker 8: from other states voting in that congressional district.
26:22
Speaker 7: I mean, it was bad. B-A-D, bad.
26:26
Speaker 8: What's interesting about the statute that they enacted is that
26:29
Speaker 8: it has survived through multiple rewrites of the election code intact.
26:35
Speaker 8: And the other thing that's interesting about it is that
26:39
Speaker 8: that particular statute is about the voter certificate themselves, but
26:46
Speaker 8: it contains... a residency clause in there that prohibits us
26:51
Speaker 8: from voting outside of the right precinct. So what's interesting
26:54
Speaker 8: is the residency statutes sort of stand in one part
26:59
Speaker 8: of the code section, but here under voter certificates, there's
27:03
Speaker 8: that other provision about not voting in the wrong precinct.
27:08
Speaker 8: And so it's very interesting to me that There's sort
27:12
Speaker 8: of a discombobulation of the statute there, but I don't
27:15
Speaker 8: want to.
27:16
Speaker 1: Get too far. One, it seems like, I guess, Mark,
27:19
Speaker 1: would be that it was a response to something that happened.
27:23
Speaker 1: And without looking at the older law, it kind of
27:25
Speaker 1: overlaps but doesn't really help anything is what it sounds like.
27:30
Speaker 1: And government does that a lot, too. They have multiple
27:33
Speaker 1: laws trying to deal with something, and it ends up
27:37
Speaker 1: messing everything up. Also, real quick, let's get into a
27:41
Speaker 1: little bit of your history with some of the actors
27:44
Speaker 1: there in the state of Georgia, because I believe that's
27:46
Speaker 1: really interesting. You have relationships with the Secretary of State Raffensperger.
27:52
Speaker 1: I think probably most people remember that character. Governor Brian Kemp,
27:57
Speaker 1: Gabriel Sterling, the guy that actually ran the race in
28:00
Speaker 1: 2020 in Georgia. You go way back with him as well.
28:04
Speaker 1: if you could talk a little bit about that relationship.
28:06
Speaker 1: I want people, the listeners, to understand that you have
28:10
Speaker 1: been there in Georgia elections for a long time. You
28:13
Speaker 1: know these actors, and I should have mentioned earlier also
28:18
Speaker 1: that you write for The Federalist, and you've been writing,
28:21
Speaker 1: you've been outspoken about these things, and it really wasn't
28:24
Speaker 1: an easy decision for you to get to to come
28:28
Speaker 1: out and start writing the way you have about the
28:30
Speaker 1: elections in Georgia, because it has been your life for
28:34
Speaker 1: a very long time. Talk about those relationships a little
28:36
Speaker 1: bit as we go into what the FBI did back
28:40
Speaker 1: in January and what has happened or has not happened
28:43
Speaker 1: between January and now. So talk about those relationships.
28:47
Speaker 7: Okay.
28:48
Speaker 8: So the way I wound up writing for the Federalist was, um,
28:52
Speaker 8: I was talking to Molly Hemingway when she was writing
28:54
Speaker 8: her book, Rigged. And if you look in the index,
28:57
Speaker 8: you'll see my name in there. But we spent a
29:00
Speaker 8: lot of time talking about the 2020 election and all
29:04
Speaker 8: the things that had happened. And then after we won
29:10
Speaker 8: the Fair Fight versus True the Vote case, where I
29:12
Speaker 8: was a defendant, she invited me to start writing as
29:16
Speaker 8: a contributing writer.
29:17
Speaker 7: For The Federalist. And I've been doing that ever since.
29:20
Speaker 7: And I really enjoy it.
29:22
Speaker 8: What's wonderful about it is I write the stories that
29:25
Speaker 8: I really care about. And if I don't have anything
29:31
Speaker 8: in particular on my mind, I kind of take a
29:33
Speaker 8: break from it. But it's really fun to be able
29:36
Speaker 8: to pop up with a good story and borrow their megaphones.
29:40
Speaker 7: For a few minutes and be able to get the
29:42
Speaker 7: word out on it.
29:43
Speaker 1: I like Molly Hemingway a lot and The Federalist.
29:47
Speaker 7: Oh, she's an amazing woman. I really have mad respect
29:52
Speaker 7: for her. But you're right.
29:54
Speaker 8: I've known a lot of the people here for a
29:56
Speaker 8: very long time. I've known Gabe since he was about 15.
29:58
Speaker 8: He went through school with my youngest brother. And when
30:01
Speaker 8: my dad was running for governor in 86, he'd be
30:05
Speaker 8: at the house for parties or get-togethers or fundraisers or
30:08
Speaker 8: whatever else. He was a big Matt Manningly person.
30:10
Speaker 7: At the time.
30:11
Speaker 1: And if you're listening to this and you don't know
30:13
Speaker 1: who he's referring to, it's Gabriel Sterling, who was in
30:17
Speaker 1: government and he left government to run the 2020 election
30:21
Speaker 1: in Georgia. And he would come out and do press
30:23
Speaker 1: conferences and say that the election was fine, there was
30:26
Speaker 1: nothing wrong, and Meanwhile, the rest of us were watching
30:29
Speaker 1: everything on television and pipes bursting, and it just seemed
30:32
Speaker 1: like a lot was wrong in Georgia. But Gabe Sterling
30:35
Speaker 1: is the person that Mark is talking about now that
30:38
Speaker 1: was friends with his younger brother back 40, 45 years ago.
30:42
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I'm sorry for interrupting.
30:44
Speaker 7: Oh, no worries.
30:45
Speaker 8: So for several years, Gabe worked at Landmark Communications for
30:51
Speaker 8: a friend of mine named Mark Roundtree, who... was Brad
30:55
Speaker 8: Raffensperger's political consultant. And right around the time of the
31:01
Speaker 8: 2020 election, Raffensperger dropped him as a client. I'm sorry,
31:06
Speaker 8: Roundtree dropped Raffensperger as a client. He was really unhappy
31:12
Speaker 8: with Raffensperger's decision to do the mass mail-out of 6.9
31:18
Speaker 8: million absentee ballot applications and the.
31:20
Speaker 7: Creation of the drop boxes and all that kind of stuff.
31:23
Speaker 8: So Roundtree dropped him even before that infamous phone call in.
31:29
Speaker 7: January of 2021. And by the.
31:31
Speaker 1: Way, just to keep people up to date here, what
31:34
Speaker 1: we're talking about now is you're talking about the phone
31:37
Speaker 1: call that President Trump made at the time. to find 11,000
31:41
Speaker 1: more votes, and that's all he needed, which became the
31:44
Speaker 1: reason that Fannie Willis prosecuted there in a RICO case
31:49
Speaker 1: because of that phone call. And I guess it was
31:51
Speaker 1: all set up by another name you may remember from
31:53
Speaker 1: back in 2020 and 2021, Jordan Fuchs. But please continue
31:57
Speaker 1: with the story.
31:58
Speaker 7: Okay, let's sidebar for a second on that.
32:01
Speaker 8: The transcripts from Fannie Willis's special purpose grand jury were
32:06
Speaker 8: recently released, and there were two big takeaways from them.
32:11
Speaker 8: One was David Perdue's transcript where he talked about the
32:15
Speaker 8: truth of the vote evidence that he had given to
32:19
Speaker 8: Vic Reynolds, who was the head of the GBI at
32:22
Speaker 8: the time.
32:23
Speaker 7: And the other was Jordan's transcript.
32:26
Speaker 8: We now know for sure she was the person who
32:31
Speaker 8: leaked fabricated quotes from the, from the call to the post. Um,
32:38
Speaker 8: a lot of people think she leaked the actual recording
32:42
Speaker 8: of the call. They eventually did get that, but when
32:44
Speaker 8: they did, they kind of called her out on what
32:46
Speaker 8: she'd given them previously. So it's, it's long been theorized
32:52
Speaker 8: that she was the person responsible for that mess. And
32:56
Speaker 8: now we know based on the transcripts that it actually
32:59
Speaker 8: was her.
32:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think most of us at the time thought
33:03
Speaker 1: it was her. And as you were saying, it has
33:05
Speaker 1: been confirmed that it was. Go back to what you
33:09
Speaker 1: were talking about, about Roundtree and Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling.
33:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
33:13
Speaker 8: So during Raffensperger's campaign for Secretary of State, I actually
33:20
Speaker 8: coached him on election integrity issues because Mark had told
33:24
Speaker 8: me that he wanted to be an election integrity candidate.
33:28
Speaker 7: And I spent quite a bit of time talking with
33:30
Speaker 7: him about.
33:31
Speaker 8: The problems in the voter rolls and, um, the residency
33:36
Speaker 8: violations that were going on and all of that kind
33:38
Speaker 8: of stuff. And that's why when that phone call happened, uh,
33:43
Speaker 8: I had given an analysis that I did of those
33:46
Speaker 8: issues to the Trump attorneys. And I was, I was
33:50
Speaker 8: supposed to serve as an expert witness in the Trump
33:53
Speaker 8: versus Raffensperger case. And then when I heard Rathensberger sit
33:57
Speaker 8: there on that phone call and basically deny that we
34:02
Speaker 8: have a major problem with residency and try to minimize
34:06
Speaker 8: those issues. I mean, he admitted that they do happen,
34:09
Speaker 8: but kind of tried to trivialize the issue. That's what
34:12
Speaker 8: finally just ripped it for me because I knew what
34:15
Speaker 8: he was doing there was trying to protect his legacy
34:21
Speaker 8: and his ambition, uh, He was rumored, even when he
34:25
Speaker 8: was a candidate, to have designs on the governor's office,
34:29
Speaker 8: and now he is, in fact, a candidate for governor
34:31
Speaker 8: of Georgia.
34:32
Speaker 1: You believe that was his motivation for everything that he
34:35
Speaker 1: did in 20 and 21?
34:37
Speaker 8: That's my personal opinion, and the guy had the nerve
34:40
Speaker 8: to write a book called Integrity Counts. But when integrity
34:45
Speaker 8: really did count, he betrayed us all. And what really
34:48
Speaker 8: upsets me about that is that Our base was so
34:53
Speaker 8: disheartened that it.
34:55
Speaker 7: Didn't turn out like it needed to.
34:58
Speaker 8: There were races on the ballot that actually got more
35:03
Speaker 8: votes than Donald Trump. And I think people just got
35:07
Speaker 8: really disheartened and either didn't turn out or didn't vote
35:11
Speaker 8: in that race.
35:12
Speaker 7: And I think it cost us control of the U.S. Senate.
35:15
Speaker 7: I think that. Yeah.
35:17
Speaker 8: Rathensberger's dishonesty in that phone call, I think it literally,
35:21
Speaker 8: and the leak of the phone call, I think it
35:23
Speaker 8: literally costs us control of the U S Senate. But
35:27
Speaker 8: if you look at Jordan's transcript, um, it's clear that,
35:31
Speaker 8: that she is the one that leaked the call.
35:36
Speaker 7: Um, so, and it's not clear that Rathensberger knew.
35:41
Speaker 8: In fact, I think she may have even said in there,
35:43
Speaker 8: I have to go back and look at it, but
35:44
Speaker 8: I think she may have even said in there that, um,
35:47
Speaker 8: It was her that leaked the call and that it
35:50
Speaker 8: was without his knowledge.
35:51
Speaker 1: Where is she now?
35:52
Speaker 8: I'm not sure. She's been kind of laying low, or
35:56
Speaker 8: at least in my perception. I haven't heard much about
36:00
Speaker 8: her recently. Maybe she figured all this was going to
36:03
Speaker 8: be coming out at some point and just kind of
36:05
Speaker 8: decided to move away.
36:06
Speaker 1: Go to the background. I would, too. We're coming up
36:10
Speaker 1: against a break. We're going to continue this conversation. Mark
36:12
Speaker 1: Davis is his name. He's been involved with Georgia elections
36:16
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36:23
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36:24
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36:27
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Speaker 1: Coming up tonight at 9 o'clock, it is After Dark
37:52
Speaker 1: with Rob and Andrew. Before that, the National Security Hour.
37:55
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37:58
Speaker 1: the political news hour. Mark Davis is our guest tonight.
38:01
Speaker 1: We're talking about the 2020 Georgia election. And again, it
38:07
Speaker 1: seems like every time we get a little bit of news,
38:09
Speaker 1: then it goes away and we don't hear anything. People
38:12
Speaker 1: get excited and then we get crushed. And that's sort
38:15
Speaker 1: of been the way things have been going in Georgia
38:18
Speaker 1: for what seems like a long time now. It's been
38:20
Speaker 1: five years. Recently, in January, the FBI came and raided
38:25
Speaker 1: Fulton County. I really thought we might have some news
38:28
Speaker 1: about that very quickly. And we keep getting teased by
38:32
Speaker 1: the administration. Even Susie Wiles, the week before last, she
38:36
Speaker 1: said that there's information coming out. Mark, what do you think?
38:39
Speaker 1: What do you make of all of that? Do you
38:41
Speaker 1: think we're going to get some information from this administration?
38:43
Speaker 1: There might be some accountability. I don't know. I start
38:47
Speaker 1: to give up every once.
38:48
Speaker 7: In a while.
38:49
Speaker 8: Well, here's my take on it for what it's worth.
38:51
Speaker 8: And let me give you a little background on that.
38:55
Speaker 8: I spoke with the DOJ last September. It was the
39:00
Speaker 8: same day Charlie Kirk was shot. And I didn't hear
39:06
Speaker 8: much at all after that for months. several months, but then, uh,
39:12
Speaker 8: kind of out of the blue in mid January, the
39:15
Speaker 8: FBI started, uh, calling folks in for interviews. And one
39:23
Speaker 8: of the people that was interviewed was Bridget Thorne. Um,
39:30
Speaker 8: But I know most of the other folks that also
39:33
Speaker 8: were interviewed, and I know what those folks tend to
39:35
Speaker 8: talk about.
39:36
Speaker 7: I know what their issues tend to be.
39:38
Speaker 8: And I was interviewed as well. And so I have,
39:45
Speaker 8: in my mind, I think I have a pretty good
39:47
Speaker 8: understanding of what the FBI probably heard about. And there
39:52
Speaker 8: was some very legitimate issues put on the table. And
39:58
Speaker 8: then they took those interviews and they crafted an affidavit
40:02
Speaker 8: and they took it to a federal magistrate and they
40:05
Speaker 8: asked for a warrant for the election records from the
40:11
Speaker 8: 2020 election, which the state election board had been trying
40:14
Speaker 8: to get already and couldn't.
40:17
Speaker 7: And So then a couple weeks after all those.
40:20
Speaker 8: Interviews, they went in and seized those materials and Fulton
40:26
Speaker 8: filed a motion to try to get them back, and
40:29
Speaker 8: that failed.
40:30
Speaker 7: It didn't work.
40:30
Speaker 8: But I guess what we're here to talk about today
40:34
Speaker 8: is the latest on that, which in my mind is
40:38
Speaker 8: extremely interesting. There's a federal grand jury that subpoenaed the
40:48
Speaker 8: records for basically all of the election workers, uh, in
40:52
Speaker 8: Fulton County hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. And the, uh,
40:59
Speaker 8: members of the Fulton County commission and, and some of
41:02
Speaker 8: the election board there have just been having a fit
41:05
Speaker 8: over that. They're saying that it would violate the privacy
41:08
Speaker 8: of all those workers and all this kind of stuff.
41:10
Speaker 8: And there's been all this brouhaha over the, uh, but
41:17
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people are missing the point.
41:21
Speaker 8: I mean, when a federal grand jury starts looking at
41:25
Speaker 8: something as major as the 2020 election in Fulton County,
41:30
Speaker 8: they could be looking at any number of things. They
41:33
Speaker 8: may have only wanted the election worker information so that
41:38
Speaker 8: the FBI could go out and do some interviews of
41:40
Speaker 8: those people. That doesn't mean that they're focused exclusively.
41:44
Speaker 7: On on the election workers at all. Yeah. God only
41:48
Speaker 7: knows what they're looking at, but when you.
41:50
Speaker 1: Talk election workers, specifically poll workers or people working in
41:55
Speaker 1: election offices, who was it that they have tried to
41:58
Speaker 1: subpoena as far as the records?
42:02
Speaker 8: Well, I'm looking at my story here. I've got a,
42:07
Speaker 8: I've got them listed in there, but they're, they basically
42:10
Speaker 8: want the folks that were doing the tabulating and, They
42:14
Speaker 8: want the folks that are involved in transporting ballots.
42:16
Speaker 7: They want basically anybody that even got near a ballot.
42:25
Speaker 7: And there were a lot of temp workers.
42:26
Speaker 8: Because remember, we had COVID going on at the time.
42:30
Speaker 8: And they had a lot of temp workers from Happy Faces.
42:33
Speaker 1: Yep. Stacey Abrams, by the way, had given a grant
42:36
Speaker 1: to Happy Faces. She's connected now. The temporary employment agent.
42:41
Speaker 1: And if you look at the poll workers in Fulton
42:43
Speaker 1: County specifically, you'll find that they're all Democrats, which was
42:48
Speaker 1: the reason why I started SaveYourRepublic.org was to recruit conservative
42:53
Speaker 1: poll workers because we don't have any. And that was
42:55
Speaker 1: the motivation for that really was Fulton County. When you
42:58
Speaker 1: look into it, they were really all Democrats that were there.
43:01
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, we need conservatives back there where
43:03
Speaker 1: they're counting and doing the tabulating. We don't need just
43:06
Speaker 1: watchers because the watchers were thrown out by the workers
43:10
Speaker 1: that were there. So please continue where you are with
43:13
Speaker 1: this subpoena and those that the FBI and the Department
43:16
Speaker 1: of Justice want to speak to.
43:18
Speaker 8: Well, I think your perspective on the situation is spot on.
43:22
Speaker 8: And back then, Back at the time, Bridget Thorne, who
43:29
Speaker 8: is now an incumbent Fulton County Commissioner, was a poll worker.
43:34
Speaker 8: And she became a whistleblower. And she filed an affidavit
43:43
Speaker 8: complaining about the poll workers and the imbalance and all
43:49
Speaker 8: of this kind of stuff. And when the FBI showed
43:53
Speaker 8: up wanting to talk to her, she gave them a
43:55
Speaker 8: copy of that.
43:58
Speaker 7: And if you read the.
44:01
Speaker 8: Redacted affidavit that the FBI used to obtain the warrant,
44:08
Speaker 8: it's not hard to figure out that she was one
44:10
Speaker 8: of the people that was redacted. But Fulton County responded
44:18
Speaker 8: with a jaw-dropping act of retaliation. Here in Georgia, the
44:24
Speaker 8: political parties are allowed to put these questions on the ballot,
44:30
Speaker 8: just kind of take the pulse of, of their, you know, their,
44:34
Speaker 8: their voters. And they've always been a little bit on
44:39
Speaker 8: the sketchy side on, on both sides, really. Some of
44:42
Speaker 8: them are, you look at them and you go, I
44:44
Speaker 8: don't know about that, you know, but the one.
44:47
Speaker 7: They put about her, let me just read it to
44:49
Speaker 7: you verbatim. Sure.
44:51
Speaker 8: It said, it said, Are you aware a sitting Republican
44:56
Speaker 8: Fulton County Board of Commissioners served as a witness alongside
45:02
Speaker 8: other 2020 election conspiracy theorists on the affidavit the FBI
45:10
Speaker 8: used to steal your private election information?
45:15
Speaker 7: Yes or no? I kid you not.
45:23
Speaker 1: What a way to frame something that you want people
45:25
Speaker 1: to vote for. And when you think about the poll workers,
45:29
Speaker 1: all the poll workers' information was already stolen by China.
45:33
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure why anybody would push back about that.
45:37
Speaker 1: It seems pretty silly to me. Where is this going
45:41
Speaker 1: at this point, Mark? What do you think?
45:42
Speaker 8: Well, they obviously want to talk to some poll workers
45:45
Speaker 8: or at least go through those records for some reason
45:47
Speaker 8: or what have you. But There were a lot of
45:50
Speaker 8: other major issues that were put on the table. You know,
45:54
Speaker 8: we already know about the missing or unsigned.
45:59
Speaker 7: Tabulator tapes.
46:01
Speaker 8: We already know that a lot of those tabulators at
46:04
Speaker 8: the end of early voting were collected up and taken
46:07
Speaker 8: to election hubs so that they could be repurposed for
46:13
Speaker 8: the precincts for election day. And when that happened, the
46:19
Speaker 8: memory cards from them were taken out and they kept
46:24
Speaker 8: 12 of the tabulators, best we can tell, and printed
46:28
Speaker 8: the tabulator tapes off of them, which means they were
46:32
Speaker 8: printing the tabulator tapes on a different tabulator than the
46:35
Speaker 8: one that conducted the election. And I think the reason
46:39
Speaker 8: that so many of those tabulator tapes went unsigned is
46:42
Speaker 8: because neither the poll managers or the poll workers were
46:45
Speaker 8: even there to sign the tabulator tapes that were produced.
46:50
Speaker 8: when the tabulation occurred. So when you vote, there's a
46:55
Speaker 8: scanned image of the ballot. So they're scanned into the
47:00
Speaker 8: memory of the machine. They're not tabulated, though, until Election Day.
47:03
Speaker 8: It's illegal to tabulate until Election Day. So I hope
47:09
Speaker 8: all that makes sense.
47:10
Speaker 1: It does. And as I remember it in Georgia, there
47:13
Speaker 1: was also a poll worker that testified in a hearing
47:16
Speaker 1: that the ballots that she looked at that were mail
47:19
Speaker 1: in were pristine and they all voted for Joe Biden.
47:23
Speaker 1: And she is someone that had volunteered or, or was
47:26
Speaker 1: a poll worker for many years and had never seen
47:28
Speaker 1: anything like that.
47:30
Speaker 8: And that is, that was Susie Boyles who I've also
47:34
Speaker 8: known since I was a kid. And, um, I, I
47:38
Speaker 8: believe what she says. I've never known her to be
47:42
Speaker 8: a liar. And, I don't think she was the only
47:45
Speaker 8: one who noticed that. I don't know how much focus
47:49
Speaker 8: the FBI has or doesn't have on those particular issues,
47:52
Speaker 8: but there are some major ones. There's the double-scan ballots
47:56
Speaker 8: in Fulton County. There's the unsigned tabulator tapes. There's questions
48:04
Speaker 8: about chain of custody. There's questions about the voter database.
48:10
Speaker 7: We had people that we had.
48:12
Speaker 8: Folks that have become unqualified voters who were allowed to,
48:16
Speaker 8: to vote in that election. Uh, we had folks that
48:20
Speaker 8: were registered at commercial mail receiving agencies or commercial addresses,
48:27
Speaker 8: just all kinds of stuff. So we don't really know
48:30
Speaker 8: what the FBI is looking at, but you know, the
48:34
Speaker 8: Democrats keep raising the issue of the, the statute of limitations.
48:40
Speaker 7: So, uh, If.
48:44
Speaker 8: That really is a pertinent issue, then we should hear
48:48
Speaker 8: something fairly soon. But my understanding, and I'm not a lawyer,
48:52
Speaker 8: but my understanding is if there's a conspiracy or false information,
48:58
Speaker 8: that statute of limitations can be quote-unquote told, in.
49:02
Speaker 7: Other words, extended.
49:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's a RICO case, then it would be extended,
49:08
Speaker 1: no doubt about that.
49:10
Speaker 7: Well, I'll say this on that topic. When I look
49:13
Speaker 7: at so many vote centers that.
49:18
Speaker 8: Didn't produce the poll tapes or didn't sign the poll
49:23
Speaker 8: tapes by the poll manager or the witnesses, they're supposed
49:27
Speaker 8: to be the poll manager and two witnesses. When I
49:29
Speaker 8: look at such a massive failure to follow procedures, I
49:35
Speaker 8: recall there was one that actually did it right. But
49:38
Speaker 8: when I look at dozens that did it wrong, I
49:42
Speaker 8: don't view that as a clerical error, as Rathensperger likes
49:47
Speaker 8: to say.
49:47
Speaker 1: Because that's what we hear. We hear, well, they made
49:49
Speaker 1: a mistake. It's a clerical error. It really doesn't matter
49:52
Speaker 1: about the election, they'll say.
49:53
Speaker 7: But doesn't that sound more like a management decision to you?
49:57
Speaker 1: Possibly. But the greater question is, if there are all
50:01
Speaker 1: these questions, why can't we just get the answers? Why
50:04
Speaker 1: can't it be transparent? And if you and I are
50:08
Speaker 1: wrong in everything that we have believed for the last
50:11
Speaker 1: five years, prove it.
50:13
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.
50:15
Speaker 1: Why is that so difficult?
50:19
Speaker 7: The problem I think we have here, you know, we've got.
50:24
Speaker 8: Raffensperger who has ambitions on becoming governor. And if his
50:30
Speaker 8: record becomes tarnished, that becomes a lot more difficult.
50:33
Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
50:34
Speaker 8: But Raffensperger and Kemp are sort of tied together because
50:38
Speaker 8: the transition to Dominion began under Kemp.
50:41
Speaker 7: And then was completed under Raffensperger.
50:44
Speaker 8: So I feel like both the Secretary of State and
50:48
Speaker 8: the governor sort of have vested personal interests in protecting
50:55
Speaker 8: their legacy, and they don't want it to be known that.
51:02
Speaker 7: We had major problems in the election because it might
51:04
Speaker 7: make them look bad. Yeah.
51:05
Speaker 1: And after they both said that it was a great election,
51:08
Speaker 1: then you don't want that information coming out. You know,
51:10
Speaker 1: some of the work that we did on SaveYourRepublic.org for
51:13
Speaker 1: poll workers, when we were doing that, and we put
51:16
Speaker 1: together over 5,000 links in one place, and it was
51:20
Speaker 1: for every poll worker application across the country. And this
51:23
Speaker 1: was prior to the 22 midterm, early 2022. We found
51:24
Speaker 1: that there would be so many different ways to easily
51:32
Speaker 1: steal an election through the poll worker process. And, you know,
51:37
Speaker 1: it was amazing to find the way the different states
51:42
Speaker 1: do it and that in a lot of states, the
51:45
Speaker 1: applications all came to one person. If it happened to
51:47
Speaker 1: be someone on the Republican side, Arizona was that state.
51:51
Speaker 1: If it has to be someone on the Republican, they
51:54
Speaker 1: could just throw all the Democrat applications away for poll workers.
51:57
Speaker 1: Then you have all Republicans counting the ballots in the
51:59
Speaker 1: back room. So, you know, there are ways to steal
52:04
Speaker 1: an election, whether it was nefarious or not. I think
52:08
Speaker 1: you and I both would agree that we believe that
52:11
Speaker 1: it was in 2020 in Georgia, and we would just
52:14
Speaker 1: like to have the answers. I don't understand why that's
52:18
Speaker 1: so difficult. You mentioned Molly Hemingway's book, Rigged. That's what
52:23
Speaker 1: we believe. So why can't we get there? And I
52:27
Speaker 1: would think with the Trump administration, we are. But as
52:30
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the statute of limitations. And here we come
52:33
Speaker 1: to another midterm, another election. And if the people don't
52:37
Speaker 1: get the accountability that they think we deserve, then I
52:42
Speaker 1: think you hit on it earlier, that also creates voter apathy.
52:45
Speaker 1: And will they go vote? And if they don't go vote,
52:48
Speaker 1: then we lose the House of Representatives. Maybe we lose
52:50
Speaker 1: the Senate. And we've got a mess. And it's all
52:53
Speaker 1: because we don't get the accountability back to Georgia in 20,
52:57
Speaker 1: Michigan in 20, Arizona, Nevada. There were a couple of
53:02
Speaker 1: other states, too. Pennsylvania was another one that was questionable.
53:05
Speaker 1: Where do you think this goes now, Mark? Are we
53:08
Speaker 1: going to get the FBI to go knocking on doors
53:11
Speaker 1: and make arrests and have perp walks?
53:14
Speaker 8: It's really hard to say. Going back to what you
53:17
Speaker 8: said about the election workers, what's really interesting to me
53:21
Speaker 8: is a friend of his website called ballotassure.com, and he's
53:27
Speaker 8: done an analysis of 2020 and 2024. And one of
53:34
Speaker 8: the things that's interesting is just I think six months
53:38
Speaker 8: or maybe a year, he picked up a way to
53:43
Speaker 8: hack into a Dominion system using one of those poll
53:48
Speaker 8: worker cards.
53:53
Speaker 7: And it's already been known for a while.
53:57
Speaker 8: In fact, there was a lawsuit or two over it.
54:00
Speaker 8: One of them was DeKalb GOP versus Rathensperger over the
54:05
Speaker 8: password issue. The Dominion password was put out on a
54:11
Speaker 8: report in the EAC website as far back as sometime
54:16
Speaker 8: around 2010. In other words, we bought the Dominion system
54:21
Speaker 8: in 2019 with known security issues.
54:25
Speaker 7: And when analysts.
54:28
Speaker 8: Got a hold of it and went in there and looked,
54:31
Speaker 8: they found the Dominion password, the master hard-coded Dominion password
54:37
Speaker 8: which is D V S C O R P zero
54:41
Speaker 8: eight exclamation mark. They found it in use in six
54:45
Speaker 8: counties here in Georgia, but our whole state uses dominion.
54:49
Speaker 8: So that means they were probably using the same password
54:52
Speaker 8: and all of the state, but that password was also
54:55
Speaker 8: found in use in Michigan and Arizona. So I have
54:59
Speaker 8: a friend named Phillip Davis and he's probably the best
55:02
Speaker 8: ballot data analyst that I know actually is.
55:06
Speaker 7: Um, maybe in the country.
55:08
Speaker 8: He has a website called ballotassure.com, and he did an
55:13
Speaker 8: analysis of the 2020 election and the 2024 election, and
55:17
Speaker 8: anybody who.
55:17
Speaker 7: Wants can go and read up on his reports on
55:20
Speaker 7: what he found.
55:22
Speaker 8: But he noted last year, and I think he did
55:26
Speaker 8: this at DEF CON out in Las Vegas, if you
55:30
Speaker 8: have an access card, we were talking about the poll
55:32
Speaker 8: workers a minute ago, if you have an access card
55:36
Speaker 8: from a poll worker It can be accessed, and you
55:40
Speaker 8: can get what you need to get into the Dominion system.
55:45
Speaker 7: Through that card.
55:47
Speaker 8: So if we had nothing but Democrats, or mostly Democrats even,
55:55
Speaker 8: that's a concern, I think, because that could have happened.
55:59
Speaker 1: Hopefully, eventually, we're going to get the answers to Georgia
56:03
Speaker 1: and Michigan and Arizona questions. That would be all of
56:05
Speaker 1: our hope. We have another election coming up soon, and
56:08
Speaker 1: we need to make sure that our vote counts. That's
56:11
Speaker 1: the most important thing. And don't forget that you were
56:13
Speaker 1: told 2,000 years ago that you are the salt of
56:16
Speaker 1: the earth, and salt without flavor, it has no value.
56:19
Speaker 1: So whatever you do, keep being salty. Have a great night.
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