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Credlin | 24 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Well, that was the Anzac sunset service there in Sydney,
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Speaker 1: first time it's been held there at the fore court
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Speaker 1: of the Opera House. I'll tell you what it's really moving,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. We do a lot on Anzac Day and
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Speaker 1: we start of course at dawn, at the going down
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Speaker 1: of the sun. We will remember them, and that's what
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Speaker 1: we did tonight. Okay, let's get into the program. Plenty
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Speaker 1: of news around today. Let's have a look already. How
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Speaker 1: much can we actually glean from those exit polls. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you my take on that shortly class the Star
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Speaker 1: against Peter Darton, who thought it was fine to repost
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Speaker 1: an image of Darton dressed as a Nazi and now
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Speaker 1: it's a manufactured image.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister asked about this today.
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Speaker 1: He had a lot to say, but not one word
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Speaker 1: of condemnation, which is a lot about his character. More
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Speaker 1: question marks two over the Teals and their integrity. More
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Speaker 1: big money from Simon Holmes, a court throwed into a
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Speaker 1: campaign in Victoria and now a political lad involving Anzac Day,
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Speaker 1: which strikes are really uncomfortable cord with me.
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Speaker 2: More of that detail coming up to blust the fall
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Speaker 2: that wasn't a fall.
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Speaker 1: We all saw it, but today the PM still couldn't
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Speaker 1: get his story straight.
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Speaker 3: It was a joke.
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Speaker 4: It was a joke.
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Speaker 5: Chill out.
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Speaker 1: But at the time, I'll come back to that because
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Speaker 1: it went on and on all day. But first, knowing Labor,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the election date was deliberately chosen with Easter,
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Speaker 1: the school holidays, and of course Anne Zac Day smack
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Speaker 1: bang in the middle of the campaign so people would
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Speaker 1: not have politics on their mind, because if they're not focused,
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Speaker 1: usually it's the incumbent that's favored. Because this is a
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Speaker 1: PM who might be hopeless of government, but I tell
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Speaker 1: you what, he's got rat cunning when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the politics, and he's willing to play whatever card he
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Speaker 1: needs to to hang on to power. But rather than
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Speaker 1: give him a leave pass as he hopes by making
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Speaker 1: us to stray, Anzac Days should make us more focus
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Speaker 1: than ever about where our country is headed and the
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Speaker 1: sort of choices we must make at the ballot box
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Speaker 1: in coming days. Indeed, Anzac Day should stop us in
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Speaker 1: our tracks and make us think about how much their times,
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Speaker 1: worryingly now resemble ours, with dictators on the march threatening
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Speaker 1: freedom around the globe and a population increasingly unsure if
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Speaker 1: it's got what it takes to defend our values. If
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Speaker 1: called upon, Anzac Eve and Anzac Day tomorrow should be
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Speaker 1: our focus, rather than the Prime Minister's distraction, a reminder
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Speaker 1: of what our country can and should be. The young
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Speaker 1: men who went off to fight in nineteen fourteen, and
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Speaker 1: again in nineteen thirty nine and in all the other
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Speaker 1: wars since were Australia at its best. They loved our country,
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Speaker 1: They honored our flag, They knew our history, and they
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Speaker 1: realized that if justice and freedom are diminished somewhere, they're
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Speaker 1: diminished everywhere. They understood that if we want others to
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Speaker 1: fight and die for us, then we have to be
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Speaker 1: prepared to fight and die for others. That's what alliances mean,
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Speaker 1: especially in a more dangerous world. Now, obviously our country
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Speaker 1: has changed over the decades. We're more ethnically diverse, we're
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Speaker 1: less Christian, but I hope we're no less patriotic and
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Speaker 1: no less conscious of the debt we owe to the
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Speaker 1: generations before us that have given us such a relatively free,
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Speaker 1: safe and decent life. Despite the current tendency to fly
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Speaker 1: three flags and not one, and to anguish over our
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Speaker 1: history rather.
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Speaker 2: Than to cherish it.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday was a poll suggesting that just sixteen percent of
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Speaker 1: young Australians would unconditionally fight for our country. Now I'm
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Speaker 1: reminded here of the infamous nineteen thirty three Oxford Union vote,
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Speaker 1: where a vast majority of students voted that, under no
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Speaker 1: circumstances would they fight for king and country, and yet
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Speaker 1: most of those students did exactly that.
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Speaker 2: Within a decade.
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Speaker 1: Likewise, polls in Ukraine just before the Russian invasion showed
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Speaker 1: a deep reluctance to fight. Yet that's exactly what almost
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Speaker 1: an entire population there has done ever since Putin's tanks
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Speaker 1: rolled across their border. Now it's easy to worry about
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Speaker 1: young people living online and to fear for the character
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Speaker 1: of a country where almost every tradition is routinely scorned
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Speaker 1: as old fashioned or god forbid conservative, but is in
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Speaker 1: the instincts of conservatives of the past. It's those instincts
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Speaker 1: that call us to believe that some things and some
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Speaker 1: values are worth fighting for, and that is then the
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Speaker 1: reason we are free, free to wear opinions that others
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Speaker 1: may or may not agree with. Again, it's almost always
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Speaker 1: the left that doesn't just disagree with their opponents, but
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Speaker 1: wants them shut down and silenced. So on Anzac Day,
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Speaker 1: on Miss Anzac Eve, I give thanks. I give thanks
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Speaker 1: for the privilege it is to grow up in their Australia.
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Speaker 1: I give thanks for my Anzac great grandfather, my Pa,
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Speaker 1: who was wounded in New Guinea in the Second World War,
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Speaker 1: and for my own brother who has worn.
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Speaker 2: Our uniform too.
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Speaker 1: To all of them, and all the hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 1: like them, thank you for your service, and thank you
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Speaker 1: and your family for your sacrifice. If only we could
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Speaker 1: be led with as much courage and commitment as our
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Speaker 1: soldiers have shown our nation.
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Speaker 2: Now. I know Labor thinks they've got.
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Speaker 1: A master stroker using Anazac Day as a distraction, I'm
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Speaker 1: not so sure. I think it just amplifies how important
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Speaker 1: leadership is to a country. And as we stand in
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Speaker 1: the dawnlight tomorrow, I think that Australia's future will be
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Speaker 1: as much on our minds as australia is past. And
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Speaker 1: with that I hope we all vote accordingly. Plenty of
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Speaker 1: campaigning going on right around the country. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: he was over in West Australia today, but the now
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Speaker 1: in the air so our political reporter cam Ridden follow
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Speaker 1: this report.
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Speaker 4: Peter.
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Speaker 6: We are here in Perth for the third time this
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Speaker 6: campaign with the Prime Minister. We know the strength of
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Speaker 6: the brand here at a state level. He's hoping that
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Speaker 6: will rub off federally, particularly in the new seat of Bullwinkle.
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Speaker 6: Labor already holds nine seats here, the new one currently
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Speaker 6: it starts in their column. Three and a half percent
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Speaker 6: is the notional margin, but they still have to win it.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister visiting a grain site in that electorate
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Speaker 6: a little earlier today. The one of the key focuses
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Speaker 6: today involves the polling. It's early days, of course, but
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Speaker 6: three days into pre poll Labor is showing with this
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Speaker 6: first exit poll a boost to its own primary vote,
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Speaker 6: So too is the coalition. How much do we read
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Speaker 6: into that? Not a great deal, but it's the first
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Speaker 6: reel indication of what we could be expecting once the
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Speaker 6: pre poll vote begins on the third of May following
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Speaker 6: the closure of those polls. From here, Peter, it's back
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Speaker 6: off to Canbro. The Prime Minister will mark Anzac Day
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Speaker 6: in the nation's capital tomorrow. Of course, one hundred and
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Speaker 6: ten years since the Gallipoli landings, all right, we'll go
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Speaker 6: to the Opposition leader's day now joining me, Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 1: I saw that announcement today, Ruben, in relation to domestic violence.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 4: Good evening, Peter.
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Speaker 7: We're currently in Sydney where we attended an ANZAC service
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Speaker 7: with the Opposition leader on the steps of the Opera House.
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Speaker 7: But we started the day in Tasmania. Peter Darton visited
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Speaker 7: Catholic Care where he announced a suite of new measures
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Speaker 7: to address family and domestic violence. It will focus on prevention,
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Speaker 7: early intervention and crisis response. The coalition claims an extra
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Speaker 7: ninety million dollars in funding, recognizes the complexity of the issue.
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Speaker 7: It will create a national domestic violence Register, it will
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Speaker 7: expand the emergency accommodation and it will crack down on
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Speaker 7: the use of electronics to spy on or intimidate a partner.
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Speaker 7: Here was the Opposition leader earlier on this commitment.
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Speaker 8: Everyone's accepting the fact that the scourge of violence, of
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Speaker 8: domestic violence, of financial coercion, every aspect in this debate
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Speaker 8: is just completely and utterly unacceptable in our society and
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Speaker 8: we should be doing everything together to try and defeat
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Speaker 8: it and work toward better outcomes for individuals, but for
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Speaker 8: our country as well.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ruben.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's certainly got the name the liar in the
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Speaker 1: lodge of the Prime Minister and it's hard to disagree
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Speaker 1: with that. And those lies are mounting by the day,
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Speaker 1: don't of course quipping in the debate that the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister can't lie straight in bed all those lies about
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Speaker 1: Medicare and the cost of the Liberals nuclear plan, but
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Speaker 1: also the whole.
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Speaker 2: Carry on about that fall.
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Speaker 1: We all saw it and then he tried to claim
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Speaker 1: but apparently it never happened.
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Speaker 9: Photos with everyone, Okay in the middle.
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Speaker 5: I stepped back one step.
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Speaker 3: I didn't fall off the stage.
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Speaker 2: Just one leg went down, but I was I was sweet.
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Speaker 2: Now it's doctor him and dog him for weeks, hasn't it? Well?
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Speaker 1: Today he finally admitted what we already knew.
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Speaker 4: What's the worst moment of this campaign so far?
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Speaker 5: Probably falling off the stage.
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Speaker 3: Now you said that was not a fall, You said
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Speaker 3: I didn't losses.
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Speaker 10: I sort of stepped up there.
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Speaker 5: See here this is called good occupational health and safety.
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Speaker 5: There's white there that wasn't there? Good on w A
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Speaker 5: heavily unionized.
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Speaker 1: Now I'll give some campaign inside there. He admitted he
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Speaker 1: fell because this is killing him online, That's why he
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Speaker 1: did it. But then just a couple of hours after that,
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Speaker 1: he still couldn't get his story straight.
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Speaker 4: It was a joke.
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Speaker 5: It was a joke, chill out. But at the time
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Speaker 5: I stumbled that's what happened.
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Speaker 2: I laughed about it.
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Speaker 9: At the time.
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Speaker 5: I laughed about it, since it's no big deal. I
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Speaker 5: fell for Newcastle a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: Well, I watched the whole press conference. He's not laughing
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Speaker 2: about it. He wasn't laughing about it. He was getting.
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Speaker 1: Tetchier and tetchier by the moment. J wanted me to
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Speaker 1: discuss this and more. National Affairs editor to The Daily
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Speaker 1: Tetograph sky On News host of course James Morrow, a
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Speaker 1: media commentator, Carly Katsu and Barnes Well. Caroly As I said,
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Speaker 1: we all saw the vision. Now I get when compared
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Speaker 1: to all the other lies on medicare and nuclear policy.
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Speaker 1: This might seem a big deal to some, but I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what, It's become one of those things that
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Speaker 1: goes very viral, very quickly online because we all saw it.
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Speaker 1: We saw it with our own eyes, and voters are
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Speaker 1: saying to themselves. Well, if you can lie about that,
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Speaker 1: what else is he lying about?
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Speaker 11: Good evening, Peter and James and viewers. Look, the thing
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Speaker 11: is Anthony Alberanisi. He has a history of line. We've
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Speaker 11: seen in the beginning last week we spoke about how
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Speaker 11: many times it's been repeated that he, you know, the
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Speaker 11: power prices we're going to go down by two hundred
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Speaker 11: and seventy five dollars. Our electricity prices have gone up
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Speaker 11: by thirty percent. Anthony Alberisi has lied about not fiddling
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Speaker 11: with superannuation. He's lied about the cost of green hydrogen
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Speaker 11: and renewables. He's lied that he's got dialogue going straight
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Speaker 11: into the White House. If he thinks two phone calls
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Speaker 11: since November last year by Kevin Rudd is an actual
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Speaker 11: relationship with the President of the United States Donald Trump,
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Speaker 11: then he's kidding himself. I mean, Alexander Volkanowski's probably got
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Speaker 11: more of an inn with Trump. You know, recently crowned
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Speaker 11: the UFC champion and the second Australian.
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Speaker 2: After Robert Whittaker to do so.
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Speaker 11: But the bottom line is you just know that on
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Speaker 11: this campaign, it's perhaps what he isn't saying that he's
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Speaker 11: also lying about We know that he's discrediting Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 11: whether it's the nuclear whatever it might be, but we
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Speaker 11: know that the premise of Labor and the Greens, and
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Speaker 11: he says he won't have to actually do a deal
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Speaker 11: with the Greens, whether if it's a.
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Speaker 2: Minority hung Parliament he will have to do that.
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Speaker 11: But we know that they're coming after people's hard earned money,
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Speaker 11: and we know that they're responsible for increasing the cost
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Speaker 11: of living for everyday Australians, and so their whole campaign
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Speaker 11: is actually based on the premise of a lie.
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Speaker 2: He was also lacking in some character.
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Speaker 1: I thought today James Morrow, because he was asked a
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Speaker 1: question in relation to Labour's candidate in the seat of Dixon,
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Speaker 1: running up obviously against Peter Dutton. Her name is Ali France.
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Speaker 1: She's been caught out reposting this photo of Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: and Malcolm turn All dressed as Nazis. It's a doocted photograph.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty offensive. Asked about it today, the Prime Minister this.
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Speaker 5: People will go after people's history going back to more
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Speaker 5: than a decade, Ali France is someone who lost her
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Speaker 5: leg saving her child's life when she pushed a pram
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Speaker 5: forward and was hit by a motor vehicle. Aily France
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Speaker 5: is an extraordinary Australian. Aili France is an extraordinary Australian.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Solilo quick went on for over a minute, James,
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Speaker 1: but not once did he engage with the substance of
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Speaker 1: that post and some other things that should not have
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Speaker 1: been said by Ali France, not one word of condemnation.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it goes into the great late motif of
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Speaker 3: this campaign, wouldn't you say, Peter, that the Lever campaign
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Speaker 3: here has been utterly shameless all along. You know, every
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Speaker 3: single thing. They simply don't say sorry for anything they've
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Speaker 3: done wrong, lying about falling off the stage, lying about
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Speaker 3: six hundred million dollar nuclear reactors. You know, he's been
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Speaker 3: called out for that and just keeps on going and
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Speaker 3: going with it. So this is just a small part
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Speaker 3: of a much bigger shamelessness of this campaign. The Ali
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Speaker 3: France thing is one bit of it. The justification there's oh, well,
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Speaker 3: you know, she did something incredible and something terrible happened
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Speaker 3: to her, so therefore she has a pass for calling
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Speaker 3: people Nazis. I'm not sure how that works now. I
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Speaker 3: don't think it washes with other people either. But you
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Speaker 3: know it's a real seme here because we've seen this
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Speaker 3: with other candidates here too, Helen Middell in the Sea
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Speaker 3: of I think it's Flynn in Queensland. You know, she
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Speaker 3: also made all sorts of offensive posts about Pope Francis having
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Speaker 3: been a pedophile, you know, just gross disgusting stuff. And
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Speaker 3: again they say, oh, well, you know, everybody's got some
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Speaker 3: stuff in their past and their past Twitter history. We're
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Speaker 3: not going to play the offense archaeology game. This is
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Speaker 3: of course all that labor does. When you contrast it
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Speaker 3: to you know, the treatment of Brad Britain in Whitlam,
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Speaker 3: who was disendorsed by the Liberals, over fairly defensible. I
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Speaker 3: would say comments about women in combat, well, you know,
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Speaker 3: you just see the difference between the two parties and
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Speaker 3: how they handle it. But it comes back to one
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Speaker 3: word shameless.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just that Canadate and Flynn said that
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Speaker 1: he he the former pope provided cover for pedophiles.
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Speaker 2: But we get you drift and it was yes.
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Speaker 1: She I think has been caught out on Let's go
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Speaker 1: to the Teal's more bad press for them today, Carole.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at this picture.
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Speaker 1: This is the Teal candidate running in the Victorian seat
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Speaker 1: of Monash, which is out towards Gippsland, the east of Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Now this is an authorized political ad. It's an authorized
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Speaker 1: political ad. She's wearing her grandfather's medals on Anzac Day.
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Speaker 1: I commend her for that, but I'm very uncomfortable about
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Speaker 1: any sort of political ad around Anzac Day. I think
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Speaker 1: mp should absolutely, but at all the services tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: You want to see your MPs there, But for me,
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Speaker 2: that's it. Carolee. What do you think? Yeah, Peter, I'm
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Speaker 2: with you.
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Speaker 11: I think that being a member of Parliament in Australia,
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Speaker 11: whether it's federal, whether it's state, is an immense privilege
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Speaker 11: and they are there to represent their constituency, but they're
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Speaker 11: also there to also reflect that if we didn't live
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Speaker 11: in a democracy, they wouldn't have the opportunity to do
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Speaker 11: what they should do.
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Speaker 2: The day is not about them.
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Speaker 11: The day is about Australia honoring those people that have
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Speaker 11: given their life, paid the ultimate sacrifice so that we're
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Speaker 11: all able to live as we are today. And I
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Speaker 11: don't like seeing that at all.
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Speaker 1: She's also been caught out James with her Greens past.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't want voters to know about this, But she
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Speaker 1: said in a local paper not so long ago that
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Speaker 1: she was once a member of the Greens. Now that
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Speaker 1: was in put on a poster and put around her seat.
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Speaker 1: But her campaign team are trying to claim that that's
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Speaker 1: now dishonest, that it's not truthful. Now have a look
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Speaker 1: at these posters there that's gone around her electorate. Now
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Speaker 1: she doesn't like this, She does not like this, But
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Speaker 1: there are own words, James.
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Speaker 3: Well, and you know, how can somebody be upset about
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Speaker 3: their own words being quoted back at them. I think
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Speaker 3: the thing that she's upset about is the fact that
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Speaker 3: we now see just one more data point in the
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Speaker 3: fact that peals generally vote with the Greens. They are
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Speaker 3: a Green stalking horse. They are the Greens for people
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Speaker 3: who don't want to vote Greens. If you look at
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Speaker 3: their voting record individually. They are the Gucci Greens. They're
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Speaker 3: the Greens who wear deodorant and shower and have you know,
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Speaker 3: shampoo and you know, hygiene and things like that and
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Speaker 3: like this are the inner city Greens who have all
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Speaker 3: the you know, other sort of weird stuff going on.
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Speaker 3: It's it's it's just simply I think dishonest. Frankly, if
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Speaker 3: dev letter to be trying to run from her own past,
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Speaker 3: you know, if she wanted to say, hey, I used
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Speaker 3: to be a Green, now I've evolved, I think that'd
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Speaker 3: be fine. But you have to run from it. Well,
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Speaker 3: she's not something to hide.
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Speaker 1: It must be wired in Goldstein, Caroline. Because Simon Himes,
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Speaker 1: the courts a two thousand climate two hundred mob. They've
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Speaker 1: had to throw at another fifty thousand dollars to prop
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Speaker 1: up Zoe Daniel's campaign. I think Tim Wilson's got the
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Speaker 1: movie paddicked.
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Speaker 11: I think he has, and I think he's actually you know,
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Speaker 11: he is running a very tight campaign. He's determined to
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Speaker 11: get his seatback. He was a very effective member of
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Speaker 11: Parliament before. He's really nailed down and drilled down on
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Speaker 11: the issues that are important to those members. And you
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Speaker 11: know what I will say is we've seen reports today
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Speaker 11: that you know, twenty five billion dollars in self managed
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Speaker 11: super funds maybe actually be taken out. Tim Wilson actually
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Speaker 11: launched in twenty nineteen. He was on the attack against
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Speaker 11: the retirees tax that was going to be brought in
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Speaker 11: in twenty nineteen, and it's important to realize that those
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Speaker 11: people living in those seats of Goldstein cou Yong Curtain wentworth.
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Speaker 11: They need to realize that the Teals are just a
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Speaker 11: cover for the Greens, just as James just said, it's
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Speaker 11: like a trojan horse and they're coming after everybody's money.
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Speaker 11: Tim Wilson's exposing this, and really does it really matter
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Speaker 11: if Tim Wilson is putting up more posters welcome to
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Speaker 11: the last couple of weeks of a campaign. He's doing
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Speaker 11: exactly what he should be doing. He's outdoor knocking, he's
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Speaker 11: engaging with voters, and he's taking nothing for granted.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Tasmania. I think this is a really
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Speaker 1: interesting race. So I'll be watching Saturday Night in a
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Speaker 1: week's time.
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Speaker 2: Six seats of course up for grabs.
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Speaker 1: The two majors are likely to get four of these,
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Speaker 1: The Greens Nick McKim likely to get the fifth spot.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the sixth spot for Tasmania is really going
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Speaker 1: to go down to a fight between one nation. And
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Speaker 1: it's Paul and Hanson's daughter Lee who is running for
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Speaker 1: them down there, and Jackie Lamby and I'll make the point,
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Speaker 1: you know, Jackie Lamby talks to conservative voters in election
19:50
Speaker 1: time and picks them up as votes. But she gets
19:53
Speaker 1: to Canberra and she talks to the Greens and labor.
19:55
Speaker 1: She votes with them some eighty percent of the time.
19:59
Speaker 1: She's been against the salmon farming. She said, quote they
20:03
Speaker 1: can piss off. This is what she said, James. This
20:05
Speaker 1: is the sort of caliber of this woman when she
20:07
Speaker 1: gets into office.
20:09
Speaker 2: She has that sort of tone.
20:11
Speaker 1: I think she's always been, you know, a labor stooge,
20:15
Speaker 1: if I can be frank, and I think Hanson is
20:18
Speaker 1: going to take the fight right up to her.
20:20
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, yeah, look, I think she
20:24
Speaker 3: should take the fight off.
20:25
Speaker 4: True.
20:25
Speaker 3: The thing about Jackie Lamby, of course, you know you're right,
20:28
Speaker 3: she does peel off conservative voters of people who are
20:31
Speaker 3: sort of instinctively inclined to be conservative. But her whole
20:34
Speaker 3: stick is very much anti establishment, anti you know, corporate,
20:39
Speaker 3: anti all the sort of the big structures of Australian society.
20:42
Speaker 3: You know, she's kind of in that sort of mold,
20:44
Speaker 3: a little bit populous. And the ways that she connects
20:47
Speaker 3: to people. The people who support Jackie Lamby, they connect
20:51
Speaker 3: to her on an emotional level, like it's about you know,
20:54
Speaker 3: they say, oh, she's so honest, she's so raw, she's
20:57
Speaker 3: so real, right, But that once you've connected on that level,
21:01
Speaker 3: it's very hard to talk to people about you know, well,
21:05
Speaker 3: if you look at her voting record, she's doing this
21:07
Speaker 3: with the grads and this with labor and all sorts
21:09
Speaker 3: of things. So she's not really your person once you're
21:12
Speaker 3: connected on that level. And that's the level I think
21:13
Speaker 3: that Hanson is going to have to fight at, on
21:16
Speaker 3: that visceral, emotional gut level to say, you know what
21:20
Speaker 3: this is actually, you know, not an authentic candidate here.
21:23
Speaker 3: I'm actually more authentic than this one here, and I
21:26
Speaker 3: will do a much better job of standing up for
21:28
Speaker 3: your interests, number one of course being keeping the salmon
21:32
Speaker 3: farming industry there so they doesn't get killed off by
21:36
Speaker 3: some concerns about the Magian skate or whatever it is.
21:40
Speaker 1: She could also say, you know what I say in Tasmania,
21:43
Speaker 1: I'll actually do in Canberra. And that's not something that
21:47
Speaker 1: Jackie Lamby can do or say, all right, I leave there.
21:50
Speaker 1: Both of you enjoy the commemorations tomorrow for Anzac Day.
21:54
Speaker 1: I know you both will be involved and I'll speak
21:56
Speaker 1: to you next week, all.
21:57
Speaker 2: Right after break.
21:58
Speaker 1: What can we take from the first of exit polls
22:00
Speaker 1: in what's been a pretty record turnout already for pre polls,
22:04
Speaker 1: plus not even a week into pre polling, scenes of
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Speaker 1: violence and intimidation.
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Speaker 2: Shocking. Please tell me this is not the new normal.
22:16
Speaker 1: That was a quick break, wasn't it. You couldn't even
22:18
Speaker 1: get your Kappa. We're spinning things up to get through
22:21
Speaker 1: the show tonight because we started later obviously for that
22:24
Speaker 1: lovely and Zac Eve commemoration on the steps of the
22:27
Speaker 1: Opera House, which I hope will be a feature of
22:29
Speaker 1: our public life from here in. Anyway, welcome back still
22:32
Speaker 1: to come. Former Deputy Prime Minister Wayne swann and said
22:35
Speaker 1: we don't need to increase defense spending. So is this
22:38
Speaker 1: the prevailing view of Labor when it comes to national defense?
22:42
Speaker 1: But first, we've seeing our record high level of early
22:44
Speaker 1: votes in pre polls, which open of course on Tuesday.
22:47
Speaker 1: Over one million Australians have cast their votes in the
22:50
Speaker 1: first forty eight hours of the campaign. Now this comes
22:53
Speaker 1: as news called exit polls across nineteen battleground seats shows
22:56
Speaker 1: a four point six percent swing on primary vote to Labor,
23:00
Speaker 1: with where they were in twenty twenty.
23:02
Speaker 2: Two, the collision.
23:04
Speaker 1: It's at thirty eight point five Labour, as I said,
23:06
Speaker 1: thirty seven point two. Joining me now our campaign spokesman
23:09
Speaker 1: Senator James Patterson, Well, James, you know I don't take
23:15
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of sway with the exit poles.
23:17
Speaker 2: I think they are a straw in the wind.
23:19
Speaker 1: But what I do and what I am interested in,
23:23
Speaker 1: is this spike and early voting, because the conventional wisdom
23:26
Speaker 1: has been when people vote early, it spells trouble for
23:30
Speaker 1: the incumbent government. Do you think that holds true now?
23:36
Speaker 4: Peter? I share your skepticism about exit polls.
23:39
Speaker 12: They're notoriously hard to do and historically unreliable in Australia,
23:43
Speaker 12: none more so than the one conducted before the Queensland
23:46
Speaker 12: state election last year that said there'd been a big
23:48
Speaker 12: surch to Labor and that Stephen Miles was potentially on
23:51
Speaker 12: track to become premier. That tells you everything you need
23:53
Speaker 12: to know about exit.
23:54
Speaker 4: Polls with early voting. It's a funny contradiction.
23:57
Speaker 12: We know from the research, and this is evident in
23:59
Speaker 12: the pub polls, that there's a big undecided vote in
24:02
Speaker 12: this election. There's a soft vote of people waiting to
24:04
Speaker 12: make up their mind would probably decide quite late, and
24:06
Speaker 12: yet we've had very high rates of early voting. I
24:09
Speaker 12: would say that's probably committed supporters of both parties or
24:12
Speaker 12: all parties getting out of the way because they've made
24:14
Speaker 12: up their mind a long time ago about who they're
24:16
Speaker 12: going to support.
24:17
Speaker 4: But I've had very encouraging.
24:18
Speaker 12: Reports from Liberal candidates all around Australia about a much
24:21
Speaker 12: better reception on early voting compared to the last election,
24:24
Speaker 12: and that's.
24:24
Speaker 4: A good sign for us.
24:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd echo that I hit the fines, particularly in
24:30
Speaker 1: Victoria and in New South Wales. I think they're the
24:32
Speaker 1: two states that will decide this thing, and I would
24:35
Speaker 1: concur a really positive mood some patchy areas. It is
24:40
Speaker 1: not uniform, but I think anyone who's counting out the
24:43
Speaker 1: Liberals and kidding themselves, let's go to Clive Palmer because
24:46
Speaker 1: it profits off a lot of sort.
24:49
Speaker 2: Of coalition messages.
24:51
Speaker 1: Not all the same, but I've asked, majority of them
24:53
Speaker 1: have an appeal to people on the center right. But
24:56
Speaker 1: when you get into his how to vote cards, he's
24:58
Speaker 1: basically preferencing labor or the left. In twenty or so
25:03
Speaker 1: marginal seats.
25:04
Speaker 2: Now, as I.
25:05
Speaker 1: Say, his ads chase the votes of people on the
25:08
Speaker 1: center right, But do you think they understand that he's
25:11
Speaker 1: actually funneling via preference flows their vote to the left.
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Speaker 12: I think it's a really good point that you make, Peter.
25:20
Speaker 12: I think some people who will vote for Clyde Palmer
25:22
Speaker 12: and his Trumpet of.
25:23
Speaker 4: Patriots party will be people who'll.
25:25
Speaker 12: Be frustrated with the government, who be frustrated with the
25:27
Speaker 12: direction of our country is going in, and they may
25:29
Speaker 12: not realize that in doing so, if they follow that
25:31
Speaker 12: how to vote card, they might actually be aiding the
25:34
Speaker 12: Albanesi government and getting three more years of it. They
25:36
Speaker 12: might even be voting for an Albanzi Teal Greens government,
25:39
Speaker 12: which I think is probably the last thing that voters
25:42
Speaker 12: attracted to a party like that would want. And we
25:44
Speaker 12: have already seen a couple of candidates, including their candidate
25:47
Speaker 12: and Flinders, resign in disgust over that how to vote card,
25:50
Speaker 12: which favored the Teals. It's hard to think of parties
25:52
Speaker 12: less aligned than the Trumpet Patriots and Teals, and yet
25:55
Speaker 12: that's what they've done. The only other observations I'd make, though, Peter,
25:58
Speaker 12: is that in the national published opinion polling that Trumpeter
26:02
Speaker 12: Patriots is not even registering as a rounding era. And
26:05
Speaker 12: for my canvassing of candidates and colleagues around the country,
26:08
Speaker 12: they don't even have a pre pole booths well manned
26:10
Speaker 12: around the country. In some sets they do, but in
26:12
Speaker 12: most they don't. And if you can't cover pre pole booze,
26:15
Speaker 12: you're going to show yourself struggle to man booths on
26:17
Speaker 12: the day, which are many more numerous.
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Speaker 1: He's spent four million on YouTube right, He's leading everybody,
26:26
Speaker 1: more than Labor, more than the coalition, getting out and
26:29
Speaker 1: targeting obviously younger voters like the Teals. And the amount
26:34
Speaker 1: of money that's been thrown around by Climate two hundred.
26:37
Speaker 2: What concerns me?
26:39
Speaker 1: This is really American style politics coming to Australiayeah. This
26:42
Speaker 1: is big money. This is what I would regard as
26:45
Speaker 1: dark money. It's not well exposed where the money from
26:49
Speaker 1: Climate two hundred and those sort of players is coming from.
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Speaker 2: Is this a concern to you?
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Speaker 4: It isn't.
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Speaker 12: In that way, the Trumpeter Patriots and the Climate two
26:59
Speaker 12: hundred are a perfect mirror image of each other. They're
27:01
Speaker 12: bringing a billionaire style, big money politics to Australia, funneling
27:06
Speaker 12: it as a superPAC does in the United States, money
27:09
Speaker 12: from extremely wealthy people into a handful of candidates around
27:12
Speaker 12: the country to support them. And frankly, it's the opposite
27:15
Speaker 12: of the image that they portrayed themselves to be. Clide
27:17
Speaker 12: Palmer portrays themselves to be a butler for the Australian people,
27:20
Speaker 12: and Climate two hundred portrays them and their teal proxies
27:23
Speaker 12: portrayed themselves to be independent and focused on transparency and integrity.
27:28
Speaker 12: But the reverse is true in both instances. And I
27:30
Speaker 12: think voters should beware people who come and say they're
27:33
Speaker 12: changing politics, that they're doing politics differently. Many ways they're
27:36
Speaker 12: doing politics worse, and I think they should be judged
27:39
Speaker 12: by the standards they set for themselves.
27:43
Speaker 2: Have we lost the.
27:46
Speaker 1: Art of a civil democracy and a civil electual campaign.
27:51
Speaker 1: We've seen a real rise in vandalism and defacing of
27:55
Speaker 1: call flutes, signs being stolen. We've got some pretty shocking
27:59
Speaker 1: scenes out there to grained and in ben along actually
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Speaker 1: on the booths.
28:04
Speaker 2: What's happening?
28:05
Speaker 12: James pet One of the best things about Australian democracy
28:09
Speaker 12: is it has been so free of violence throughout our history.
28:12
Speaker 12: There's very few countries in the world that can say that,
28:15
Speaker 12: and I think it would be a great tragedy if
28:17
Speaker 12: we lost that. But like you, I'm very concerned about
28:19
Speaker 12: the trends we're seeing in this election. There's been some
28:21
Speaker 12: shocking videos already a volunteers being abused of violent acts
28:25
Speaker 12: towards other voters and campaigners, as well as signs. That's
28:29
Speaker 12: the last thing we want to see in our country.
28:31
Speaker 12: And if God forbid, it gets worse than that, if
28:32
Speaker 12: there's a serious act of violence and someone is seriously harmed,
28:35
Speaker 12: that will change our political system forever and for the worse.
28:38
Speaker 12: So I really appeal people to keep their cool. Elections
28:41
Speaker 12: are important. This is a consequential election for Australia. We
28:44
Speaker 12: certainly hope to win this election, but elections are not
28:46
Speaker 12: so consequential in this country that you have to go
28:49
Speaker 12: to acts of violence at a polling booth and treat
28:52
Speaker 12: volunteers who they all are on booths in the way
28:54
Speaker 12: that we've sent and being treated in the last couple
28:56
Speaker 12: of days.
28:59
Speaker 1: Just before you go portfolio related. I had to read
29:01
Speaker 1: this a couple of times because I thought it can
29:03
Speaker 1: now possibly be true. The ABC's on covered documents showing
29:07
Speaker 1: that new tug boats ordered by our navy the Australian
29:10
Speaker 1: Navy were actually built in China.
29:17
Speaker 12: It is a shock of Peter and it's a cracking
29:18
Speaker 12: story by Andrew Green for the obsc In twenty sixteen,
29:22
Speaker 12: when dress uniforms for the ADF were found to be
29:25
Speaker 12: made in China, the Labor Party in particularly Senator Kim Carr,
29:28
Speaker 12: were absolutely feral and said that somehow these radio frequencies
29:32
Speaker 12: could be embedded in the clothes which would allow our
29:34
Speaker 12: EIGHTYF members to be tracked around the world by the
29:36
Speaker 12: Chinese government. That was a concern for Labor. Then then
29:39
Speaker 12: how should we feel about an actual platform and actual capability,
29:42
Speaker 12: in this case a tugboat being made in China. Now
29:45
Speaker 12: this is a platform ordered on Labour's watch, delivered on
29:47
Speaker 12: Labour's watch. Is Richard Miles's responsibility and he has been
29:51
Speaker 12: nowhere to see today to explain this bizarre and inexplicable decision.
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Speaker 1: I think it's extraordinary, and of course one's you get
30:00
Speaker 1: an asset like that that has to talk have interoperability
30:03
Speaker 1: with all our other assets. You've got to worry that
30:06
Speaker 1: the stuff that's being communicated is not being sucked and
30:10
Speaker 1: sent back to China.
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Speaker 2: James.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
30:14
Speaker 12: In the strategic environment that we're in, it doesn't make
30:16
Speaker 12: any sense to order any military capability from an authoritarian
30:21
Speaker 12: foreign government which is seeking to dominate our region. Let's
30:24
Speaker 12: hope that the next decade is a peaceful one, but
30:27
Speaker 12: if it isn't, I think we'll live to regret decisions
30:29
Speaker 12: like this profoundly.
30:32
Speaker 2: James Pattison, thank you very much.
30:35
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you know. Here is labor thinking
30:37
Speaker 1: we can build submarines here.
30:38
Speaker 2: I think we won't. I think we'll end up getting
30:39
Speaker 2: them are from the Virginia class US boats.
30:42
Speaker 1: But we can't even build a tugboat, Richard Mars. We
30:45
Speaker 1: cannot even build a tugboat, and you think the submarines
30:47
Speaker 1: can be in Adelaide?
30:48
Speaker 2: All right?
30:49
Speaker 1: After the break the LP president the former Deputy Prime
30:51
Speaker 1: Minister of Australia, Wayne Swan dismissing the need for a
30:55
Speaker 1: defense boost, plus that infantile debate about women in combat roles.
31:06
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Still to come.
31:07
Speaker 1: We're going to take a look at the main candidates
31:09
Speaker 1: vying to become the next pope. As the liberal and
31:11
Speaker 1: conservative factions inside the cardinal's face off. But first, yesterday
31:17
Speaker 1: the coalition and valid it's commitment to with defense spending
31:20
Speaker 1: by twenty one billion dollars, which will bring it to
31:22
Speaker 1: two point five percent of GDP over the next five years.
31:25
Speaker 2: Now longer term, over the.
31:27
Speaker 1: Decade, that will be three percent of GDP, much higher
31:32
Speaker 1: than Labour's current trajectory. Joining me in our foreign editor
31:35
Speaker 1: at The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Greg, thank you for your
31:38
Speaker 1: time yesterday, Also, Beggy pardon. Yesterday we had the coalition's
31:43
Speaker 1: defense announcement. Today we've had the former Deputy Prime Minister,
31:48
Speaker 1: current ALP President Wayne Swann saying that defense boosts, funding
31:53
Speaker 1: boosts are not needed. Is this the prevailing attitude from
31:58
Speaker 1: Labor do you think.
32:00
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, great to be with you. Yes, that is
32:02
Speaker 13: Labour's attitude because that's the Albanza government position. They're not
32:05
Speaker 13: going to change their funding baseline. It was two percent
32:09
Speaker 13: of GDP when they came to offices. Two percent now
32:11
Speaker 13: now everyone Alberzi has told us to trust on defense
32:15
Speaker 13: has advised him to go to three percent. Angus Campbell,
32:19
Speaker 13: Angus Houston rather, the former chief of the Defense Force
32:21
Speaker 13: who the government got to do their defense strategic review.
32:24
Speaker 13: Peter Dean, whom they got to write at, Dennis Richardson,
32:27
Speaker 13: former head of Defense, now doing a submarine agency inquiry
32:30
Speaker 13: for the government, and Kim Beasley, whom Albanesi idolized, are
32:35
Speaker 13: among virtually the whole strategic class saying we've got to
32:39
Speaker 13: go to three percent. But Alberanesi and Males just laugh
32:42
Speaker 13: it off. The liberals policy is much better than labor,
32:45
Speaker 13: much better, but it's still, in my view, quite hopeless
32:48
Speaker 13: three percent in ten years. Honestly, Peter, with no disrespect
32:52
Speaker 13: to either side of politics, I don't trust anything the
32:54
Speaker 13: liberals tell me for ten years any more than I
32:57
Speaker 13: trust whatever labor tells me for ten years. Urgent spending
33:01
Speaker 13: right now. Also, bizarrely, they didn't tell us what they're
33:04
Speaker 13: going to spend it on, and quite inexplicably, they didn't
33:08
Speaker 13: announce it until more than half a million people had
33:11
Speaker 13: already voted. And in the press conference, Peter Dutton couldn't
33:14
Speaker 13: run away from Defense quickly enough. He wanted to get
33:16
Speaker 13: straight back onto bulk billing rates and all the rest
33:19
Speaker 13: of it. And Andrew Hasty emerged from his witness protection
33:23
Speaker 13: program for a day and now has gone back into hiding,
33:26
Speaker 13: even as we've got this scandal of Chinese built you
33:30
Speaker 13: know assets.
33:31
Speaker 2: Talk to me about that, Talk to me about that,
33:34
Speaker 2: Talk to me about that. What I just couldn't As
33:37
Speaker 2: I said, I just couldn't believe it. I had to
33:38
Speaker 2: read it a couple of times.
33:39
Speaker 1: But why on earth have we bought now quiet and
33:43
Speaker 1: have in the country these Chinese patrol boats.
33:46
Speaker 13: Well, it's completely indecipherable. Nothing this government does has any
33:51
Speaker 13: in defense, has any rationality or coherence behind it. I mean,
33:55
Speaker 13: they haven't reformed the purchasing procedures. We're still unbelievably, we
34:00
Speaker 13: haven't yet made a decision on the mini frigate that
34:03
Speaker 13: we're going to buy, either from the Japanese or the Germans,
34:05
Speaker 13: probably the Japanese. It is completely insane to have a
34:09
Speaker 13: defense asset manufactured in China because, as you said earlier,
34:14
Speaker 13: it has to talk to all our other defense assets.
34:17
Speaker 13: So for the Chinese to slip in you know, kill
34:20
Speaker 13: codes and eavesdropping codes and so on is as easy
34:24
Speaker 13: as apple pie. The shipbuilding industry hasn't got going in
34:29
Speaker 13: Australia because the labor government has been so slow. Now
34:33
Speaker 13: all of this should result in the Albanese government being
34:37
Speaker 13: turfed out by any honest citizenry, but the opposition is
34:40
Speaker 13: basically not mentioned it for the entirety of the campaign.
34:43
Speaker 13: I mean, each successive federal campaign seems to me worse
34:47
Speaker 13: than the previous one, and this one is as bad
34:49
Speaker 13: as any I've seen from both sides of politics.
34:54
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel sometimes I need to put my uniform
34:57
Speaker 1: on and get get back in the game. But and
35:00
Speaker 1: talking to you when my viewers too much most nights
35:02
Speaker 1: here on sky News. Hey, I want to pick up
35:05
Speaker 1: the attacks on Andrew Hasty over comments in relation to
35:10
Speaker 1: women in combat.
35:11
Speaker 2: I want to play them again. Have a listen. Do
35:13
Speaker 2: you think women should serve in combat roles in the idea?
35:16
Speaker 9: Yeah, the coalition policy is that all combat roles are
35:19
Speaker 9: open to women. It's been a long standing position. So
35:21
Speaker 9: we need to be able to win every fight that.
35:23
Speaker 4: We go into. That's why we'll uphold high standards. Thank you.
35:27
Speaker 13: Are you seeing that women have lower standards?
35:29
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying? Hardly?
35:31
Speaker 9: It hardly I'm saying we have one standard.
35:34
Speaker 1: Sounds like from that answer that you still think women
35:37
Speaker 1: aren't strong enough. That is that right, that women aren't
35:41
Speaker 1: strong enough to deal with that sort of combat you described.
35:43
Speaker 4: Again, No, I didn't say that at all.
35:46
Speaker 2: Do you not believe in your own policy, then if
35:48
Speaker 2: that's your personal belief for the coalition policy.
35:50
Speaker 4: It's all being different.
35:51
Speaker 9: I'm standing right here saying there's one policy. I mean,
35:54
Speaker 9: this is kind of student politics stuff.
35:58
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Greg, I would have stood there
36:00
Speaker 1: if I was Andrew Hasty and said, given I've worn
36:02
Speaker 1: a uniform, I've fired a gun. If any of you
36:05
Speaker 1: in the gallery, male or female, can lift me and
36:08
Speaker 1: run for one hundred meters, knock yourself out, put your
36:10
Speaker 1: hand up for a combat team. But if you can't,
36:13
Speaker 1: male or female, you're not going to make the grade.
36:16
Speaker 1: It's about capability, it's not about gender.
36:19
Speaker 2: This is just ridiculous.
36:22
Speaker 13: Well, yeah, you're right, Peter, But you know I love
36:25
Speaker 13: Andrew Hasty. The few people in the Parliament I more
36:27
Speaker 13: admire more than him. But there is a contradiction between
36:30
Speaker 13: his previous position and his position today. So there are
36:33
Speaker 13: many combat roles that it's not at all controversial that
36:37
Speaker 13: women should occupy combat fighter pilots, surface warfare officers, and
36:41
Speaker 13: great matters all of that agree. But the special courses
36:45
Speaker 13: are based on what the top two percent of blokes
36:48
Speaker 13: can do. We don't have women in national rugby league teams,
36:51
Speaker 13: we don't have women in AFL. We're trying to get
36:53
Speaker 13: men out of women's sports. In the transgender thing. We
36:56
Speaker 13: don't have integrated boxing rings. But the political correctness is
37:00
Speaker 13: so insane that you can't say that anymore. What Andrew
37:04
Speaker 13: Hasty said in twenty seventeen was true. The war fighting
37:09
Speaker 13: DNA of a small of a close combat unit. This
37:12
Speaker 13: is the only combat role, but a close combat infantry
37:15
Speaker 13: fighting unit, it has to be all male. Hardly an
37:18
Speaker 13: army in the world has women in their special forces,
37:22
Speaker 13: in close combat roles or anything like that. But the
37:24
Speaker 13: coalition is so completely surrendered to the culture that they
37:29
Speaker 13: won't ever say that. So we have a fake position.
37:32
Speaker 13: The role is open to women, but no women can
37:34
Speaker 13: possibly qualify for the role because we're too scared to
37:38
Speaker 13: say that in public. And this is one reason why,
37:41
Speaker 13: you know, the culture is just going down the drain.
37:44
Speaker 13: And much as I admire Hasty, you know the opposition
37:49
Speaker 13: was requiring him to repudiate as a minister the position
37:54
Speaker 13: of Rema.
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Speaker 1: It didn't it didn't resolve it didn't repudiate to his credit.
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Speaker 1: It didn't repudiate to his credit. And I guess the
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Speaker 1: problem is right now on the books, we've got a
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Speaker 1: piece of legislation from Julia Gillard that basically says a
38:07
Speaker 1: man can be a woman, right, so you might have
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Speaker 1: a big, burly bloke who suddenly calls himself a woman
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Speaker 1: and gets a role in a combat team.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I hope when they sort all these things out, if
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Speaker 1: someone good comes back into power, that this stuff gets
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Speaker 1: chucked in the bin, that they repeal that sort of legislation.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, I feel for Andrew Hasty because he
38:26
Speaker 1: was just beaten up by people that had never, ever,
38:30
Speaker 1: ever literally put their life on the lines like he has.
38:33
Speaker 1: And I just think it is so wrong that we can't,
38:36
Speaker 1: you know, I can't call a spade a shovel.
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Speaker 13: Well, well that's what I'm asking them to do.
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Speaker 10: Though.
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Speaker 13: The fact that Andrew was a soldier, I admire it,
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Speaker 13: but that doesn't absolve him of this contradiction. The Coalition
38:47
Speaker 13: was in office for ten years. They didn't repeal Julia
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Speaker 13: Gillard's legislation. This is a failure of nerve on the
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Speaker 13: part of the Coalition. It's not really a left wing conspiracy.
38:58
Speaker 13: And there is a contradict between saying it has to
39:01
Speaker 13: be blokes, it has to be all male, which is
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Speaker 13: what Hasty said in twenty seventeen and is true, and
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Speaker 13: our formal position, which is that even close infantry fighting
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Speaker 13: roles are open to women, and the coalition is better
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Speaker 13: than labor. But it's just as cowardly. It won't and
39:18
Speaker 13: for ten years it was in office and it didn't
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Speaker 13: do anything to repelate legislation. So we're happy to put
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Speaker 13: up with this kind of fiction. And that's what modern
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Speaker 13: life is. It's a series of left wing fictions which
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Speaker 13: everybody pretends they live by, even though they have no
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Speaker 13: application in reality.
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Speaker 1: All Right, well you and I will keep fighting to
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Speaker 1: get rid of some of the fiction.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Greg.
39:39
Speaker 1: All Right, just before we go to the break, now,
39:40
Speaker 1: I want to bring you this because it's very interesting.
39:42
Speaker 1: You remember the bloke I had on the show the
39:43
Speaker 1: other day. You know who's got this big sign in
39:45
Speaker 1: his pub highlighting the voting record of the Coujong Tilmanique Ryan.
39:49
Speaker 1: That's Joe Romaro. Well, these come up with a bit
39:52
Speaker 1: of a cheeky idea to get the council up. But
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Speaker 1: he's now selly very special stubby holders at his pub
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Speaker 1: that match that build. It says Monique, Please do not
40:02
Speaker 1: take this beer. I love a joke getting quick. If
40:06
Speaker 1: you want to get one of those, iver going to
40:09
Speaker 1: sell very very fast.
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Speaker 2: I'll be a collectors on them. I'll tell you what's
40:13
Speaker 2: good on your joke.
40:14
Speaker 1: After the break the protests. So to the landmark UK
40:16
Speaker 1: ruling where biological sex. We're at it again. Well, the
40:20
Speaker 1: mobs are angry, the trans mobs. Glass Zelenski, he's copped
40:24
Speaker 1: another serve from Donald Trump. All right, my final panel
40:32
Speaker 1: of the night International. There's a lot going on there
40:34
Speaker 1: to Sky and his contributed kosher GUARDA joins me and
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Speaker 1: former Labour MP Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. I
40:40
Speaker 1: want to start with the events at the Vatican this week.
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Speaker 1: Of course we've had the death of a pope, and
40:45
Speaker 1: unlike the crown, this is interesting. There is a vacancy.
40:48
Speaker 1: There's never a vacancy with the crown. There might be
40:50
Speaker 1: a death of a monarch, but the Crown rolls right along.
40:54
Speaker 1: So now there must be an election and it'll be
40:57
Speaker 1: a bit of a diplomatic flashpoint for the funeral on Saturday.
41:01
Speaker 1: A whole lot of world leaders are in attendance. Of
41:03
Speaker 1: course Donald Trump, so a lot of people will be
41:05
Speaker 1: there because I want to get in his ear on tariffs,
41:08
Speaker 1: but kosher, just broadly, I mean, there is going to
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Speaker 1: be quite a debate inside the church, inside the conclave
41:17
Speaker 1: with the cardinals, between the conservative factions previously John Paul two,
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Speaker 1: also Pope Benedict, and of course the more liberal factions
41:28
Speaker 1: small now liberal that we're seeing of course now with
41:31
Speaker 1: the passing of Pope Francis and a lot of the
41:33
Speaker 1: cardinals they're in the conclave in the Systeine Chapel will
41:37
Speaker 1: be from that liberal or moderate left wing faction.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating, it sure will.
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Speaker 10: And you know, politics, unfortunately, it has seeped into every institution,
41:51
Speaker 10: including the church and the conclave over here. It shouldn't be,
41:54
Speaker 10: but it just starts us the reality that that's the
41:56
Speaker 10: way it's framed. Everybody has a certain perspective and that
41:59
Speaker 10: will come Drew and who they decide to elect. We've
42:02
Speaker 10: never had an American pope, so I think that would
42:05
Speaker 10: be interesting. We've had a South American obviously, but not
42:07
Speaker 10: to anybody from Africa would be interesting. But there's all
42:10
Speaker 10: sorts of talk that they want to bring in somebody
42:12
Speaker 10: from Africa or from another country. And I do think
42:15
Speaker 10: that all the political chatter around that is going.
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Speaker 2: To be quite loud. I have to say.
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Speaker 1: I think politics originated in the Catholic Church in the
42:24
Speaker 1: Vatican has been going on.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: The factionalism is not a new thing, and it will
42:29
Speaker 1: be interesting. I think you're right Africa and the Philippines
42:32
Speaker 1: where there's been a massive growth of numbers there in
42:35
Speaker 1: support for the church.
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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, it was only a couple of months ago
42:40
Speaker 1: the Canadian Prime minister was absolutely going to come from
42:44
Speaker 1: the Conservative bloc.
42:46
Speaker 2: It was a laid down Masseia.
42:48
Speaker 1: Then Donald Trump went to war against the Canadians, has
42:51
Speaker 1: threatened to make them the fifty first state. Pierre Polief,
42:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's looking tough for him.
42:59
Speaker 1: How damn has this all been well?
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Speaker 14: I think the Donald Trump effect is in every democratic
43:06
Speaker 14: society around the world, and it favors incumbents because people
43:10
Speaker 14: are scared, including in Australia, by what do these tariff
43:14
Speaker 14: changes mean? Let's rally round the flag, let's rally round
43:17
Speaker 14: the government. So I think in Canada, true Dau may
43:20
Speaker 14: have resigned in fear of what Trump would do, but
43:24
Speaker 14: certainly the sort of wild economic effects of these tariffs,
43:28
Speaker 14: especially when there are auto parts coming back and forth
43:32
Speaker 14: across the border, is going to increase the price of
43:34
Speaker 14: American cars. It's definitely having an effect in Canada, and
43:38
Speaker 14: I think it is here too. When those Lenski scenes
43:41
Speaker 14: were on TV, I think that's the immediate point in
43:44
Speaker 14: which Peter Dutton's polling fell.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with that. I think it was the
43:49
Speaker 1: scenes we saw out of the White House, Michael. Australians
43:52
Speaker 1: had a lot of affection for the Ukraine fight, and
43:56
Speaker 1: I think that took the window of the sales of
43:58
Speaker 1: the colition, just because I know you watched Canada very closely.
44:02
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Karney, it's not even in the Parliament.
44:05
Speaker 1: He's got a long history as the governor of the
44:08
Speaker 1: Bank of England and other economic portfolios. Yes he's a
44:12
Speaker 1: mad sort of climate zealot, but in these economic times
44:17
Speaker 1: and this pushing and shopping that's going over the United States,
44:20
Speaker 1: I think that's where he's gaining ground from Pogiev yes,
44:25
Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 10: You know, Michael's right. The Trump effect and just the
44:28
Speaker 10: uncertainty that it's creating with this very bold strategy that
44:31
Speaker 10: he has does lead to fear and fear of the
44:33
Speaker 10: unknown with the new candidate. I think the only path
44:36
Speaker 10: for Pierre Poliev would have been, or still could be,
44:39
Speaker 10: to show higher contrasts, not lower contrast where Mark Karney
44:43
Speaker 10: comes out of central casting for the other side of politics.
44:46
Speaker 10: You know very much a globalist has three passports, a
44:49
Speaker 10: central banker. That has advantages, but it has lots of
44:51
Speaker 10: disadvantages as well. And if he can make the appeal
44:54
Speaker 10: to the working class of Canada around immigration and other
44:57
Speaker 10: things in that nature, I think that's kind of where
45:00
Speaker 10: his blueprint could have some merit. But otherwise it looks
45:03
Speaker 10: like it really is slipping away from.
45:06
Speaker 1: Hey, I've been watching very closely to Kocha that the
45:08
Speaker 1: for that from that Supreme Court ruling in the United Kingdom,
45:11
Speaker 1: it can't be appealed. The only way it could perhaps
45:14
Speaker 1: be done over is legislation. Through the comments, that's not
45:17
Speaker 1: going to happen. Even kis Dama has discovered the definition
45:21
Speaker 1: of a woman, but the activism and the protests from
45:25
Speaker 1: the transgender movement.
45:27
Speaker 2: I was surprised at the level of their outrage.
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Speaker 10: It is that the scale of it is really quite stunning.
45:34
Speaker 10: There's been vandalism and other things like that. Unfortunately, they
45:37
Speaker 10: have taken place as well. In a way, it's not
45:39
Speaker 10: surprising to me because this group, you know, is one
45:41
Speaker 10: of the most rapidly active out of all grievance groups
45:45
Speaker 10: out there, that the transactivist lobby is really really loud
45:47
Speaker 10: and strong, and they're just able to organize and spring
45:50
Speaker 10: into action immediately when these things happen. They get covered
45:53
Speaker 10: from celebrities. The bridget and actress apparently weigh in and
45:56
Speaker 10: it's helping raise money and all of that. So that
45:58
Speaker 10: sort of thing kind of astroturchs and pops them up.
46:01
Speaker 10: But as you said, this was a landmark ruling in
46:04
Speaker 10: the backfoot.
46:05
Speaker 1: Now, Michael, what's the latest about this signal leaking or
46:11
Speaker 1: the signal chat involving the US Defense sectary, Pete Heskiff,
46:15
Speaker 1: Because this has just gone on and on and on,
46:17
Speaker 1: it hasn't gone away.
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Speaker 14: It's more significant than it appears, Peter, because this is
46:23
Speaker 14: the weakening of Hegseth, the weakening of Waltz, the weakening
46:28
Speaker 14: of Rubio and the strengthening of jd Vance and Tossy
46:33
Speaker 14: Gabbout the isolationist. You can see that in Witkoff's behavior in.
46:37
Speaker 4: Gaza Iran and in Ukraine.
46:41
Speaker 14: And I just point people to that brilliant interview that
46:44
Speaker 14: Bolt did with General Keane last Thursday.
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Speaker 4: It's a frightening scenario.
46:49
Speaker 1: Let's just put something up on the screen, Michael two.
46:51
Speaker 1: This is not international. This is very important though the
46:53
Speaker 1: Australian election, Jewish groups have expressed their disappointment at Labour's decision,
46:58
Speaker 1: your party's decision to preference to Greens basically right across
47:02
Speaker 1: the country, bar for one seat. Here's the latest edition
47:05
Speaker 1: of Australian Jewish News.
47:06
Speaker 2: That is Mark.
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Speaker 1: Dreyfus and he is preferencing the Greens number two in
47:11
Speaker 1: his own seat.
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Speaker 14: Albow and Dreyfus shouldn't have done it, Peter, A woman
47:17
Speaker 14: Ferruki had the Jews in the bin next to her.
47:19
Speaker 14: I imagine what happened to Tony Abbott when he had
47:22
Speaker 14: the ditch the witch behind him. She should have been
47:25
Speaker 14: driven out of politics. Ferruki and Leong, the leader in
47:30
Speaker 14: New South Wales tentacles, so shouldn't have been done. Big
47:36
Speaker 14: mistake and should be punished for it politically, but won't be.
47:39
Speaker 1: Shame on you labor. All right, we'll leave it there.
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Speaker 1: Big week next week, last week of the campaign. Thank
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Speaker 1: you both, Thank you for your company. I'll see you
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Speaker 1: on Monday at six.
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Speaker 2: He's Andrew