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GATE Twilight Program | Katie Paige · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: Second three this evening is titled The Children and the CIA.
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Speaker 1: Tonight we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.
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Speaker 2: Part of the gate program where I was pulled out
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Speaker 2: of the room by a guy in a suit. I
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Speaker 2: went in and did like the different tones in the
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Speaker 2: leftier tones in the right ear, different, you know, raising your.
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Speaker 1: Hand in these weird things they had kids do.
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Speaker 3: Is the strange liquid, that.
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Speaker 2: Weird pink drink, That pink drink that you're always shutting down.
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Speaker 1: So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have
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Speaker 1: to go back to nineteen fifty eight.
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Speaker 3: It's a spot neck. Nineteen fifty eight marked the first
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Speaker 3: time government became involved with public school. With this new
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Speaker 3: policy came identifying gifted and talented children.
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Speaker 1: Who's gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving
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Speaker 1: them different education. What that different education is cuts back
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Speaker 1: to the Monroe instage.
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Speaker 2: You should be hearing my voice in your right ear
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Speaker 2: until I heard those Gateway tapes and I was like, WHOA,
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Speaker 2: this is very, very similar.
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Speaker 1: These gate programs are grooming people to take roles in society, entertainers,
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Speaker 1: corporate owners. Politicians discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed
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Speaker 1: a gifted child who went to a literal children's at
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Speaker 1: school for the gifted.
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Speaker 2: But they're looking at you long before that. They are
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Speaker 2: looking at you from childhood.
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Speaker 3: The Thuds have a record file on every single child
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Speaker 3: from preschool to your career.
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Speaker 2: Your Laxation program by Thomas H. Bodinski, PhD. Here they are?
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Speaker 3: Could they and would they have just advanced to making
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Speaker 3: psychics like testing for esp abilities.
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Speaker 2: Go to scary places with that?
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Speaker 3: Did you know anybody else that has these days?
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't know anybody else in the program. You know,
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Speaker 2: they have a front for a front for a front.
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Speaker 2: So what are they covering up?
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Speaker 3: Do you believe that this could have been? But absolutely,
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Speaker 3: you're not crazy. The government really was doing psychic testing
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Speaker 3: on children, and I'm going to prove it.
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Speaker 2: They're finally starting out.
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Speaker 3: Remember you should be hearing my voice.
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Speaker 2: You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing
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Speaker 2: my voice in your right ear.
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Speaker 3: Any page, Welcome back to the show. It's really good
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Speaker 3: to see you.
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Speaker 2: How things, It's great to be here. Thanks for having
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Speaker 2: me back.
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Speaker 3: Writer.
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Speaker 2: Things are busy this time of year, a lot going on,
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Speaker 2: but you know, can't complain.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I haven't talked to you too much about
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Speaker 3: the movie, but it just released the other day, Psychic Agent,
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Speaker 3: the Gate Program. And what were your initial thoughts on it?
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Speaker 3: Did you really like it? I mean, you're in it,
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Speaker 3: so I loved it.
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Speaker 2: No, it is really really well done. And I think,
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Speaker 2: you know, the work you did write around this is
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Speaker 2: so important because this has affected you know, a broad
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Speaker 2: range of people, probably in the maybe even tens of thousands,
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Speaker 2: right as many decades as it has this has been occurring,
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Speaker 2: So it's important information to get out to the people
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Speaker 2: and to expose kind of you know, these programs, these
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Speaker 2: hidden programs that are going on and the hidden research
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Speaker 2: that has been going going on since the late fifties,
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Speaker 2: early sixties and continues on to this day. So good job,
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Speaker 2: you know with getting this out. And I know, didn't
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Speaker 2: you run into a little bit of problem because there
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Speaker 2: were children involved and they still want to keep the
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Speaker 2: lid on that, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought that it was going to be a
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Speaker 3: little bit difficult because in the trailer that I posted
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Speaker 3: as like an old NBC news broadcast from like nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy seven, that is like it's way longer. It's around
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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes long. It's talking about all of the different
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Speaker 3: mk Ultra subprojects on children. And after I put that out,
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Speaker 3: I was like, maybe that was kind of a mistake
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Speaker 3: because that's just going it's just going full fledged directly
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Speaker 3: into it, you know, the CIA's interest in children. But
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Speaker 3: I thought that that was really important to get across
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Speaker 3: because there were several mk Ultra subprojects that were directly
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Speaker 3: toward children. In all of them specifically tailored toward discovering,
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Speaker 3: unlocking and study of esp and psychic abilities. Mk Ultra
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Speaker 3: Subproject eighty three, mk Ultra Subproject one thirty six literally
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Speaker 3: talks about psychic testing on children. We show it in
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Speaker 3: the movie. Mk Ultra Subproject one O two is a
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Speaker 3: summer camp where the CIA was collecting data on four
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two children, right, And like what you
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Speaker 3: were mentioning several kids. I've been through this, I would
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Speaker 3: say upwards in the millions. And that's not even counting
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Speaker 3: the kids that were involved in these types of programs
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Speaker 3: from other countries. You know, we didn't even really get
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Speaker 3: into that because a lot of people in the UK
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Speaker 3: and Canada and Australia have reached out to me and
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Speaker 3: said that they remember something very similar. So this wasn't
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Speaker 3: just a United States thing. This seems like it was
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Speaker 3: spread out all over the world thing. And then when
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Speaker 3: you you know, get into like, you know, when did
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Speaker 3: this you know first start. And the kind of the
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Speaker 3: genius part about this is in the early seventies, when
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Speaker 3: parents found out that the CIA basically had access to
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Speaker 3: all of their children's school records, they tried to pass
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Speaker 3: this bill called FURPA, which is like the Parents' Rights
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Speaker 3: and Privacy Act, which gave parents their school kids school
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Speaker 3: records back. But the CIA then slipped in an amendment
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Speaker 3: to FURPA which allowed the CIA to continue to get
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Speaker 3: into kids school records. And then they started just changing
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Speaker 3: the names of all the different programs. Right from the
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Speaker 3: standard gate program, which is gifted and talented education, it
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Speaker 3: turned into a bunch of different acronyms like TAG, which
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Speaker 3: is a talented, talented and gifted right soon commented on
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Speaker 3: one of my videos, they said that one of the
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Speaker 3: programs in Georgia was called Focus, which is called fostering originality, creativity, understanding,
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Speaker 3: and self awareness. So this thing goes super deep into
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Speaker 3: all kinds of different aspects.
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Speaker 2: That's for sure. And it's been a really interesting journey
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Speaker 2: for me and a fairly new one, and so you know,
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Speaker 2: this is kind of a new rabbit hole to continue down,
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Speaker 2: and I've been doing such and you know, you mentioned
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Speaker 2: the sub project one thirty six, that one's important, and
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Speaker 2: I think part of the reason. Obviously, when you're you're
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Speaker 2: dealing with minors, it's an issue. But I think there's
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Speaker 2: a liability issue. And I know you mentioned that this
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Speaker 2: is a worldwide, global, you know, basically program that they're
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Speaker 2: studying these kids. And I do believe there was a
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Speaker 2: lawsuit actually just recently won in Canada, a case out
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Speaker 2: of there, so I'm sure they're afraid of repercussions and
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Speaker 2: how these programs have inadvertently affected folks. And you know,
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Speaker 2: for me, it's answered some of the questions I started
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Speaker 2: out fifteen plus years ago trying to understand what was
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Speaker 2: happening at the Rocky Mountain Ranch formerly known as the
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Speaker 2: Clearview Ranch. And through all these years and through reading
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Speaker 2: through documents and interviews in this it's come to my
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Speaker 2: attention that yes, probably a good portion of it was
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Speaker 2: unexplained phenomenon, but another portion there were some black access
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Speaker 2: projects going on out there as well. And continue so
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Speaker 2: and it's also answered another question for me writer, which is,
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Speaker 2: you know, my sister who's a little bit older than me.
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Speaker 2: So I'm nine, ten and eleven years old and my sister,
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Speaker 2: you know, six years older, so she's in her high
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Speaker 2: school years, and the phenomena seemed to affect us differently.
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Speaker 2: And I always question, and that's true with any people
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Speaker 2: that experience some of the more paranormal things in life.
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Speaker 2: Some people you'll get the hitchhikers or you know, things
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Speaker 2: that kind of follow them or and others won't. I
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Speaker 2: always wondered why that might be. And so when I
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Speaker 2: found out about the Twilight Learners and the training I
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Speaker 2: went through for over a year, you know, keeping me
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Speaker 2: in that theta state and the disassociation and all that
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Speaker 2: from the trauma of my childhood, it's answered some questions
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Speaker 2: regarding that. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. You know
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Speaker 2: that when you're when you're trained to stay in theata
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Speaker 2: or deep meditation, and I was trained to do that
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Speaker 2: at such a young age. I think it you know,
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Speaker 2: fosters being able to lose a dream and you know,
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Speaker 2: those kind of things. So it's it's been really interesting
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Speaker 2: to learn about these different programs You know, what's.
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Speaker 3: Really interesting is when I was making the movie, after
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Speaker 3: I went out to with you in Colorado and I
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Speaker 3: was making the movie, I was going through and looking
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Speaker 3: through all the docum because you said that the Twilight
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Speaker 3: Learners program with Thomas ah Smerdinski that you were put
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Speaker 3: into whenever you were really young, which is essentially a
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Speaker 3: biofeedback program, you would get the same type of feeling
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Speaker 3: that you got whenever you would listen to the Monroe
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Speaker 3: Institute Gateway PEPs this out of body sensation right, and
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Speaker 3: a lot of people, a lot of the original remote
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Speaker 3: viewers and even Angela Ford within the documentary said that
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Speaker 3: being outside of your body, having a national travel or
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Speaker 3: having an obian out of body experience is the most
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Speaker 3: advanced form of remote viewing. So within the Monroe Institute documents,
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Speaker 3: the Gateway project documents, have you read through those.
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Speaker 2: A little bit of it? You know, recently my focus
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Speaker 2: has been connecting dots on how and when I feel
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Speaker 2: like certain individuals, families, children are targeted, whether they're from
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Speaker 2: military families. Certainly my grandfather and my father were Navy.
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Speaker 2: So that I went down the writer yesterday, it was
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Speaker 2: all day. I had seventy two pages of notes by
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, just going down these rabbit holes.
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Speaker 2: And it's so fascinating to me how a lot of
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Speaker 2: these individuals that you hear about are connected. And Thomas H.
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Speaker 2: Bedinski and Chat and Grock and all those like Thomas H.
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Speaker 2: Bedinski just keeps surprising me because he was connected in
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Speaker 2: ways that was really surprising. And initially when I found
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Speaker 2: out that, you know, at first he was an internal
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Speaker 2: navigational engineer at an Area fifty one and worked on
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Speaker 2: the SR seventy one Blackbird, and that just really I'm like, wait,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, internal navigational engineer. And then the video
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Speaker 2: clip that you included into the film of little Kevin there,
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Speaker 2: you know, who had epilepsy and was in the same program.
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Speaker 2: I was, Kevin, can you make the rocket launch? Kevin?
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Speaker 2: Can you? And I just put two and two together
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Speaker 2: and I went, wow, if they're back engineering these cracks
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Speaker 2: and they don't know how the navigational systems work, if
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Speaker 2: their mind to mine telepath of communication with these craft,
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Speaker 2: it would make complete sense that Vidinsky would then cross
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Speaker 2: over into you know, the research he did with altered
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Speaker 2: states and the HEMI sync and on all that. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I really.
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Speaker 3: Think that you're onto something, and I think something is
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Speaker 3: going to come out really soon about this. Some people
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Speaker 3: are going to really start talking about this. That some
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Speaker 3: that the goal of the gate programs might have been
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Speaker 3: some of the goals. I mean, there's obviously different branches
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Speaker 3: for any everything. It's recruitment, it's psychic abilities, it's putting
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Speaker 3: people in the everyday roles in society, high positions of power.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot of things. But I think one of
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Speaker 3: the things that's getting ready to come out is getting
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Speaker 3: kids the ability to control craft with their mind. I
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Speaker 3: think that that is one d percent what's going to
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Speaker 3: start coming out here really soon and is going to
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Speaker 3: be connected to the Gate program. But what I was
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Speaker 3: talking about with the Gateway Project document is that within
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Speaker 3: the document it says that biofeedback, which is the program
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Speaker 3: that you went through with Thomas Hpedinski, is really important
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Speaker 3: in understanding on how to get outside of your body.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So the thing is that you said is
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Speaker 3: basically backed up and verified within that CIA Monroe Institute
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Speaker 3: Gateway Project document in that biofeedback is used in order
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Speaker 3: for people to get outside of their body.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely in it, and Bodinsky was part of the
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Speaker 2: Stargate research as well, that biofeedback piece. And that's really
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Speaker 2: how it all kind of you know, blew up for
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Speaker 2: me really is because when I started listening to and
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I've done the Binari beats for years,
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Speaker 2: you know, but the Gateway tape specifically is when I
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Speaker 2: was like, wow, this is so much like bio feedback,
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Speaker 2: which is really just going through having the headphones on.
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Speaker 2: You have the Hemi sync going, but you're really just
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Speaker 2: going from head to toe relaxing your body. In these
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Speaker 2: tapes you know that I've had since childhood. There's one
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Speaker 2: particular side of one cassette tape where you're really constricting
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Speaker 2: your muscles and really it's to help get rid of
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Speaker 2: migraine headache, so the headache suffers out there. It really
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Speaker 2: does work. It does help because you're really learning to
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Speaker 2: feel and control your body muscles and getting into a
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Speaker 2: very deep relaxed state. And as a child, I can
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Speaker 2: remember feeling almost embarrassed because I would get so deeply
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Speaker 2: relaxed at you know, like in the Pink Pink Floyd's song,
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Speaker 2: you know, your hands feel like two balloons, like comfortably,
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Speaker 2: you start getting these weird body sensations and every now
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Speaker 2: and again I'd fall asleep, you know, And but they
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Speaker 2: had the clicks going in the headphones to keep you
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Speaker 2: in that data state. That was the goal. You didn't
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Speaker 2: want to fall asleep and you didn't want to be
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Speaker 2: completely aware you're in that. That's why it's called Twilight
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Speaker 2: Learners because you're in that twilight state. And I think
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Speaker 2: that's so critical and for all people, like right before
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Speaker 2: you fall asleep, right before you wake up in the morning,
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Speaker 2: if you can recall your dreams at that time, really
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Speaker 2: really try to alter your states of mind. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have a good day to day, it's
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Speaker 2: going to be a positive day. That's the time to
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Speaker 2: do it in that twilight state. And so yeah, absolutely
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Speaker 2: that goes along with you know, out of body experiences.
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Speaker 2: And for me, I think, you know, you talk about
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Speaker 2: the Gate Program Gifted and Talented. I was on the
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Speaker 2: other side of that, and I think that's important for
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Speaker 2: listeners to know. And they weren't just pulling gifted and
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Speaker 2: talented kids out that were scoring really high on tests.
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Speaker 2: They were looking at the other side too. Or that
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Speaker 2: was me. I was like ADHD and dyslexic, and you know,
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Speaker 2: because I had so much trauma and upheaval going on
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Speaker 2: at the time. My half brother, you know, he burnt
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Speaker 2: down a couple of our houses. He was very asced
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Speaker 2: up for furniture, divorce, violence, alcohol, like it was just
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Speaker 2: an unstable environment. And so when you're in an unstable
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Speaker 2: environment like that's really hard to focus on your one
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Speaker 2: two three's in your ABCS. So you know, they were
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Speaker 2: pulling kids like that out as well, divorce groups, trauma groups,
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Speaker 2: learning disabilities, dyslexia, all that stuff. So I think they
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Speaker 2: were looking at the disassociation piece because through that trauma
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Speaker 2: as a young child, I can remember just leaving my
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Speaker 2: body all the time, and I think that's why they
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Speaker 2: were taking a look at those kids as well. You know,
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Speaker 2: so it was kind of both sides going on at
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Speaker 2: the same time.
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Speaker 3: Well that makes sense because trauma is a big part
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Speaker 3: of MK ulture. So if you can disappose the at somebody,
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Speaker 3: then you can program them and then they'll essentially forget
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Speaker 3: because they've disassociated, so that you can have them go
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Speaker 3: out and do whatever it is that they're supposed to
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Speaker 3: do and they come back and then they don't remember.
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Speaker 3: That's like the whole thing of what mk ultra is.
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Speaker 3: And they do look for people that have been previously
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Speaker 3: traumatized from unstable childhoods because those are the people that
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Speaker 3: are the easiest to be programmed because they already have
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Speaker 3: that disassociative part of their brain. They've already probably been
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Speaker 3: outside of their body before, you know, and that's what
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Speaker 3: several people from the like Ingo Swan will talk about
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Speaker 3: being outside of his body all the time. As a
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Speaker 3: young kid, Angela Ford talk about being outside of her body.
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Speaker 3: But that's the thing. It could be the most advanced
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Speaker 3: form of remote viewing because you're actually there and you're
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Speaker 3: seeing the environment outside of your body. But the problem
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Speaker 3: is is that it's difficult to control having an out
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Speaker 3: of body experience. It seems like it happens just randomly
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Speaker 3: or through that type of trauma. So I think that
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Speaker 3: that was the whole reason for the Monroe Institute and
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Speaker 3: the reason that Army Intelligence and DA actually sent people
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Speaker 3: like Army soldiers and people that were in this Stargate
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Speaker 3: program which wasn't called the Stargate program at that time
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Speaker 3: and through many different name changes, but they sent them
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Speaker 3: there to study under Robert Monroe to find out if
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Speaker 3: being outside of your body would help them remove you.
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of Robert Monroe's whole claim the fame
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Speaker 3: is that if you do this for long enough, eventually
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Speaker 3: you're going to get outside of your body.
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Speaker 2: And it is something you can train yourself. You can
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Speaker 2: learn to control yourself out of body. In fact, when
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Speaker 2: you get deeper down into the Gateway tapes, you know,
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Speaker 2: and you're in Focus twenty two and Focus, you're learning
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Speaker 2: to really control you're out of body experience and to
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Speaker 2: actually go where you want to go for backwards, up, down,
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Speaker 2: you know, visit different places, see different things, remote view way.
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Speaker 2: Before any of this came to light for me, for years,
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Speaker 2: I was part of a Denver psychic development group, which
19:26
Speaker 2: is kind of interesting now that I look back at that,
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Speaker 2: because you know, since I was young, I feel like,
19:31
Speaker 2: you know, even my youngest son. You know, you can
19:35
Speaker 2: kind of see people's ors, feel the energy in a
19:38
Speaker 2: room more so, feel other people's energy, those kind of things.
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Speaker 2: So I was really drawn to go to this monthly meeting.
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Speaker 2: It was every month, and it was in a little
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Speaker 2: bookstore in Littleton Englewood, Colorado, and you just sit around
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Speaker 2: and kind of in a safe environment learn to practice
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Speaker 2: psychic abilities and things like this. And we would do things,
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Speaker 2: you know, where they'd put pictures and envelopes and you
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Speaker 2: would just try to remote view what's in the envelopes.
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Speaker 2: And I had a really pretty high hip rate, and
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Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this is really cool. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: all these skills are really interesting to me. But yesterday
20:14
Speaker 2: was really going with it because I'm trying to figure
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Speaker 2: out in my mind where and how, you know, it
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Speaker 2: was brought to my mother's attention to put me into
20:23
Speaker 2: twilight learners. Did it come from my half brother who
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three burnt down our house the week before.
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Speaker 2: He had acted it all up, all in the furniture
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Speaker 2: and stuff inside. So at that point we had to
20:35
Speaker 2: you know, turn him in for insurance because it was
20:38
Speaker 2: our home. It was completely destroyed, and he was sent
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Speaker 2: away to Pueblo State and charged with arson and so
20:43
Speaker 2: he was institutionalized really for the remainder of his life.
20:48
Speaker 2: Later in his last part of his life he went
20:50
Speaker 2: to halfway houses in Denver, but for the most part
20:53
Speaker 2: institutionalized his whole life. And he actually started when he
20:57
Speaker 2: was a young child. He was diagnosed with epilepsy and
21:00
Speaker 2: from the records we have looking like around age four.
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Speaker 2: So he was put into the Chicago State Hospital system.
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Speaker 2: And so what started me down this yesterday writer was
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Speaker 2: I watched a Wi Files episode on the JFK and
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Speaker 2: they mentioned and I'm going to butcher the name but
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Speaker 2: this and raw pooh it's p U H A R
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Speaker 2: I c H Purity or something. Yes, yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 2: He mentioned them, but he mentioned Chicago, and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I wonder if you guys ties to Chicago State Hospital.
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Speaker 2: And I started going down this whole Chicago State Hospital
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Speaker 2: and sure enough, mentions in Bodinski and the sub Project
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Speaker 2: one thirty six and you know, the brain perception research
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Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So all these people are researching
21:48
Speaker 2: in studying this, but I'm looking at Pueblo State Hospital,
21:52
Speaker 2: Chicago State Hospital, and in the sixties and seventies, they
21:55
Speaker 2: were some outrageous things that they were doing to these patients.
22:00
Speaker 2: And my brother has long since been passed away, my
22:04
Speaker 2: half brother, but I feel compelled. I want to know
22:10
Speaker 2: what was going on with these patients in these state
22:12
Speaker 2: hospitals because back in those decades, unlike today, you know,
22:16
Speaker 2: if you were seen as somewhat unstable or mentally, you know,
22:20
Speaker 2: they didn't have autism back in the fifties or whatever.
22:23
Speaker 2: They would just put you in a psychiatric hospital and
22:25
Speaker 2: throw away the key, you know, and would conduct all
22:28
Speaker 2: these horrific experiments, and some of them were psychological research
22:32
Speaker 2: and LSD experiments and things like this. And so I
22:35
Speaker 2: was going through I have some of my half brother's records.
22:38
Speaker 2: His name was Gary, and I was going through and
22:41
Speaker 2: I fed him kind of you know, I scan them all,
22:43
Speaker 2: fed them in. And it was interesting because there's so
22:45
Speaker 2: much I'm like, please just help me sort all this out.
22:47
Speaker 2: But it was interesting because he talked about being able
22:51
Speaker 2: to sense other people's energies, being able to see into
22:54
Speaker 2: the future, being able to see into the past, and
22:58
Speaker 2: then in the same sentence that would say, but denied hallucinations,
23:03
Speaker 2: denied hearing voices that are coming from the TV or
23:06
Speaker 2: those kind of things they were testing back in the day.
23:08
Speaker 2: So from what I'm reading, it sounded like he already
23:12
Speaker 2: had some of these gifts order to get it, because
23:14
Speaker 2: he was also put into these programs in the state hospital.
23:17
Speaker 2: So this is a whole other section I'm looking at
23:20
Speaker 2: and it's well known. Even at the ranch, the Rocky
23:23
Speaker 2: Mountain Ranch, we have this mysterious John Duke who claimed
23:27
Speaker 2: to come from San Francisco, who was part of the
23:30
Speaker 2: Air Defense Command and was also a psychologist, and he
23:34
Speaker 2: would invite homeless and vagrants to the ranch property, which
23:38
Speaker 2: is like what why, And then he talks about taking
23:41
Speaker 2: legal LSD their soldiers coming from Camp Carson, where this
23:46
Speaker 2: Warren guy says he felt something wrong with his mind,
23:51
Speaker 2: something made him walk towards the woods, would release him
23:54
Speaker 2: and he would run back to the ranch house and
23:56
Speaker 2: then this did this to him five times. Sounds like
23:59
Speaker 2: mind control to me. So through my research and document
24:03
Speaker 2: it looks like the ranch they were doing some of
24:06
Speaker 2: that there and that was right at the end of
24:10
Speaker 2: the ranch years is one my mom was approached by
24:13
Speaker 2: a gentleman saying, you need to put Katie in this program.
24:16
Speaker 2: And it turns out, and I think I showed the
24:18
Speaker 2: map to you where my mom worked in the Denver
24:20
Speaker 2: Tech Center as a computer operator for United Airlines. The
24:25
Speaker 2: Biofeedback Institute was within walking distance. It was less than
24:29
Speaker 2: a half a mile from my mother's work. So my
24:32
Speaker 2: big question is like who or what or how you
24:37
Speaker 2: know why. I think it was because of the fire.
24:41
Speaker 2: That would make sense to me. So that's kind of
24:42
Speaker 2: the answers I'm looking for right now. And I have
24:45
Speaker 2: a whole sheet now of records that I'm going to
24:48
Speaker 2: try and get. It's really difficult, like you said the writer,
24:50
Speaker 2: because when it comes to even for my half brother
24:54
Speaker 2: who's deceased and both my parents are deceased, I would
24:56
Speaker 2: still have to go to Chicago petition the courts and
25:00
Speaker 2: have a judge look over even to release his records
25:03
Speaker 2: from the state hospitals, if we can even find them.
25:07
Speaker 3: That's the thing with old records, they seem to just destroy.
25:13
Speaker 3: They just completely vanished, They just disappear, right. I would
25:17
Speaker 3: really like to do some kind of research study on
25:20
Speaker 3: some of this and find out where these programs are
25:25
Speaker 3: because I suspect that a lot of the main gate
25:31
Speaker 3: programs in a lot of schools were directly beside Air
25:36
Speaker 3: Force BASS or Air Force Bass are in the vicinity
25:41
Speaker 3: of the school, or some sort of military base is
25:44
Speaker 3: in the vicinity of where the school is. That is
25:48
Speaker 3: the case, but there's some of the MGM programs and
25:53
Speaker 3: how many of these people actually went to school on
25:58
Speaker 3: military bases because whatever some families, you know, whenever they
26:04
Speaker 3: live on the military base, I believe that they don't
26:07
Speaker 3: they have school for children on the military basis.
26:11
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they do. And that's that's what surprised
26:15
Speaker 2: me too, because you know, I always knew the Air
26:17
Speaker 2: Force was involved, but I wasn't sure about the Navy,
26:20
Speaker 2: you know, so I and absolutely they were very much
26:23
Speaker 2: involved in this type of research as well, So that
26:26
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, interesting. But what really kind of
26:33
Speaker 2: upsets me the most is, you know, they're taking all
26:36
Speaker 2: these children, they're studying them like labrats, right, and I'm
26:40
Speaker 2: sure they're telling the parents, you know, your kids special,
26:43
Speaker 2: they have special gifts. But at the end of the day,
26:46
Speaker 2: even with the Twilight Learners, they're they're playing around with
26:50
Speaker 2: something they don't know ultimately when it's a child, how
26:53
Speaker 2: it affects the brain. And then once they're done and
26:56
Speaker 2: you're out of the program, you're just like, well, you know,
26:59
Speaker 2: they don't take any life ability if things should go awry,
27:01
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's really frustrating to me,
27:06
Speaker 2: and it can be pretty damaging without support and counseling
27:11
Speaker 2: and follow through, you know, let's watch Let's watch these
27:15
Speaker 2: kids and see what happens in aren if something should
27:18
Speaker 2: go awry, but they don't, and that's frustrating.
27:21
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Naval Intelligence, there's this gentleman named doctor Ames.
27:28
Speaker 3: He was the creator of the Ames Leaf Room. I
27:32
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever heard of this, but it
27:34
Speaker 3: was funded by and contracted by Office of Naval Research,
27:41
Speaker 3: where he would take these college students into a room
27:45
Speaker 3: that had leafs like all over it. You can look
27:49
Speaker 3: it up on Google. It's just called the Ames leaf Room,
27:53
Speaker 3: A and Ees leaf room. And he would dose these
27:58
Speaker 3: college students with LSD and then put goggles on their head,
28:03
Speaker 3: and then they would essentially go into a psychosis because
28:09
Speaker 3: they're tripping balls on LSD. They have like these three
28:13
Speaker 3: D goggles and they're in this weird, strange, tiny room
28:19
Speaker 3: that's filled full of leaves. Several of them ended up
28:22
Speaker 3: in the er after they had gone into this leaf
28:27
Speaker 3: room and dosed with LSD. And it was sponsored by
28:30
Speaker 3: Naval Intelligence, which then really gets into because that's one
28:35
Speaker 3: of the things that a lot of people within the
28:37
Speaker 3: Gate program or the TAG program or any of the
28:40
Speaker 3: other programs talk about, is they remember having these three
28:44
Speaker 3: D goggles. They were kind of forced to put on,
28:47
Speaker 3: like three D goggles, and I'm like, holy crap, this
28:50
Speaker 3: is one connected in some kind of way, right.
28:56
Speaker 2: And then with the LSD experiments, you know that especially
28:59
Speaker 2: when you're younger and adolescent, teenager, you know, let's say
29:03
Speaker 2: under the age of twenty two, your brain's developing. You
29:06
Speaker 2: have flashbacks, you can have them for the rest of
29:08
Speaker 2: your life. You have bad you have you hear people,
29:10
Speaker 2: you know having bad trips, good trips, And I think
29:13
Speaker 2: a lot of that is a state of state of mind.
29:15
Speaker 2: So if you're working with individuals with trauma and abuse
29:20
Speaker 2: and then you're doing these experiments on them, what is
29:23
Speaker 2: that going to stir up? And how like, you know,
29:29
Speaker 2: it's not good and and they you know, I'm sure
29:32
Speaker 2: that's why you know, files are missing and it's hard
29:35
Speaker 2: to get and these programs are covered up because they're
29:37
Speaker 2: they're not going to take accountability for those folks, you know.
29:41
Speaker 3: Just and it's still happening today. I mean, a few
29:47
Speaker 3: people reach out to me. I can't identify the gentleman
29:50
Speaker 3: because he wants to remain anonymous because of scrutiny. And
29:55
Speaker 3: if I were to you know they worry lives, but
29:58
Speaker 3: I trust the individual. I know him, and he reached
30:05
Speaker 3: out to me because I was making this movie, and
30:08
Speaker 3: he said that his daughter is in the program and
30:11
Speaker 3: every single day she told him that when she goes
30:14
Speaker 3: to school, black suv pulls up in front of the
30:16
Speaker 3: school and then picks them up and a select a
30:18
Speaker 3: few other kids and they go on these field trips.
30:21
Speaker 3: He doesn't sign for it. This isn't a normal field trip, guys.
30:24
Speaker 3: I see if people trying and comment on that video,
30:28
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, it's normal for kids to
30:30
Speaker 3: go on the field trip, a field trip and a
30:32
Speaker 3: black suv with a handful of kids every single day.
30:35
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's normal, but that's what she said.
30:39
Speaker 3: And then she's also told her father that told me
30:43
Speaker 3: whenever she gets back home at night, she's then woken
30:47
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night by those same
30:51
Speaker 3: kids from the school that she went on the field
30:54
Speaker 3: trip with that apparently live in her like local area,
30:58
Speaker 3: and they come and get her up out of and
31:00
Speaker 3: then they go outside and they have like meetings. Did
31:03
Speaker 3: you like a night school type of thing at night?
31:07
Speaker 3: Every night?
31:09
Speaker 2: That's strength It was like.
31:11
Speaker 3: Done with this I'm pulling her out immediately out of
31:14
Speaker 3: public school, and she's no longer in public school anymore.
31:17
Speaker 3: But he told me this, and I was like, holy crap.
31:20
Speaker 3: And then had Jay Widener on the other day and
31:23
Speaker 3: he said that Whitley Strieber wrote a book about this
31:26
Speaker 3: called The Secret School, which is essentially I think that
31:32
Speaker 3: was in ninety seven, I think was when the book
31:35
Speaker 3: was released, and he talked about this how people would
31:39
Speaker 3: come get him in the middle of the night and
31:41
Speaker 3: then they would they would come out and take them
31:45
Speaker 3: out all around everywhere on like a nighttime school trip.
31:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I recently, since you were here
31:55
Speaker 2: and you produce this film, since that time, I went
31:59
Speaker 2: online and I did I'd received my school records. I
32:02
Speaker 2: was in the same school district my whole life, from
32:04
Speaker 2: kindergarten till graduation, the Cherry Creek School district out here,
32:08
Speaker 2: and so I did receive a lot of my records back.
32:11
Speaker 2: I don't remember if I sent some of them to you.
32:13
Speaker 2: I might have, but you know, I was happy to
32:16
Speaker 2: see that Katie. It says in my school records that
32:18
Speaker 2: she was in the biofeedback program and the year on
32:21
Speaker 2: that was nineteen eighty, so interesting, it was a little
32:25
Speaker 2: later than I remember it. I feel like I started
32:28
Speaker 2: in the program around seventy eight, but it looks like
32:30
Speaker 2: it was seventy nine eighty, so it had been seventy
32:33
Speaker 2: nine eighty, so to have confirmation of that. But it
32:38
Speaker 2: also appears and you mentioned, you know, SUV coming to
32:42
Speaker 2: pick up a child. Now, I went to Greenwood Elementary
32:45
Speaker 2: School for kindergarten first grade, and then the house burnt down.
32:49
Speaker 2: I can remember being on the playground, going out to
32:52
Speaker 2: the swing set and seeing a fire in the distance
32:55
Speaker 2: and all the fire trucks and ultimately it was my home.
32:57
Speaker 2: My father came and got me, watched the house burned
32:59
Speaker 2: down to the ground. And then after that, you know,
33:02
Speaker 2: my mom and dad divorce, Gary went to Pueblo State
33:05
Speaker 2: and so it was just me, my mom, and my
33:07
Speaker 2: sister at that point, and we moved. So at that
33:09
Speaker 2: point this bus would come pick me up and I'd
33:13
Speaker 2: be the only one on the bus. But in you know,
33:16
Speaker 2: my my memory might have just been they were taken
33:20
Speaker 2: me to the news school where my but I'm not
33:23
Speaker 2: sure about that, but I do specifically remember at Greenwood
33:27
Speaker 2: being picked up and put on a bus by myself,
33:30
Speaker 2: but it could be could have been because of the fire.
33:33
Speaker 2: I don't know. My memory of that is kind of fragmented,
33:38
Speaker 2: I guess a little bit. But then when I went
33:39
Speaker 2: to Walnut Hills after the fire, my ld and all
33:43
Speaker 2: those things didn't follow me from Greenwood, and then I
33:46
Speaker 2: was placing different programs for trauma divorce. I remember being
33:50
Speaker 2: in a small group doing the TA for tots. It
33:54
Speaker 2: was like a book, so we'd all get together and
33:56
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, cold prickles and warm fuzzies and
33:59
Speaker 2: feeling and working with blocks and those kind of things.
34:03
Speaker 2: And it seemed pretty innocent at the time, but then
34:06
Speaker 2: if you follow through the school record, you're like, okay.
34:08
Speaker 2: And then it followed me to middle school. But then
34:10
Speaker 2: after that high school years is like, oh, you know,
34:13
Speaker 2: you're on your own at this point, you know. And
34:15
Speaker 2: that's what's frustrating a little bit. And I think that
34:17
Speaker 2: happens for a lot of families. And what they don't
34:20
Speaker 2: talk about too is how isolating that can be. When
34:23
Speaker 2: you're being pulled out. It makes you feel different, like
34:26
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? Why am I different? Why am I? Like?
34:29
Speaker 2: I remember feeling very different and isolated and alone a
34:33
Speaker 2: lot of time, Like there's the little shy katie over there,
34:36
Speaker 2: sitting by yourself all the time. Because I was constantly
34:40
Speaker 2: being put into these programs and stuff and I couldn't
34:43
Speaker 2: understand why, and so psychologically that can have a bad
34:46
Speaker 2: effect on a lot of kids.
34:51
Speaker 3: So, how was the Twilight Learner program stuff on your
34:55
Speaker 3: school records? Yeah?
34:57
Speaker 2: I think did I send those to you? It just
35:00
Speaker 2: says because at the time, I in my freshman year
35:03
Speaker 2: of high school, I had a counselor by the name
35:06
Speaker 2: of Tony Ragona, and I was having some difficulties, you know,
35:12
Speaker 2: with attendance, with my learning disabilities, dyslexia, these kind of things.
35:17
Speaker 2: So I wanted Cherry Creek School. High school is a
35:20
Speaker 2: really big school of like fifteen hundred students. It's a
35:23
Speaker 2: large school, and I needed a more structured, small group environment.
35:29
Speaker 2: So they were trying to get me into a better
35:33
Speaker 2: environment high school that's smaller like a and so all
35:37
Speaker 2: these records stated that. So when they're going through it
35:40
Speaker 2: was a meeting with my mother and the counselors and
35:42
Speaker 2: that to get me into a smaller program at the
35:45
Speaker 2: high school. And it said that you know, she is
35:48
Speaker 2: in the biofeedback program. Blah blah blah. So yeah, State's
35:52
Speaker 2: in there. I was happy to see that in there.
35:56
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. So it's like it wasn't even like
35:59
Speaker 3: a extra curricular thing that it was almost kind of
36:04
Speaker 3: connected to the school and some sort of well.
36:06
Speaker 2: I think the school was just aware because anytime I
36:09
Speaker 2: went it was after school. It was in a different
36:12
Speaker 2: building in the Denver Tech Center. And the funny thing,
36:16
Speaker 2: you know, I've tried so hard to remember any time
36:19
Speaker 2: I ever saw any other patients there or a waiting
36:22
Speaker 2: room or anything. But it wasn't like that. I remember,
36:25
Speaker 2: you know, I know the building. You go into the door,
36:28
Speaker 2: and he had an office here and then like two
36:31
Speaker 2: rooms here, and it was only just Bodinski and I'd
36:36
Speaker 2: go into the one room with the brown chair and
36:38
Speaker 2: get all hooked up and do the you know, raising
36:41
Speaker 2: and lowering, you know, the temperature of the hands and
36:45
Speaker 2: hearing the tones. But I don't ever recall other patients
36:49
Speaker 2: are at the time, So it just could have been
36:51
Speaker 2: scheduling thing. I don't know. It wasn't like a typical
36:54
Speaker 2: doctor's office. Just three rooms basically in an office.
37:01
Speaker 3: That's really really interesting. Yeah, So what what do you
37:05
Speaker 3: remember about Thomas A. Shabaninski. Do you remember what he was, like,
37:10
Speaker 3: what he said to you. Was there any kind of like,
37:13
Speaker 3: you know, him talking to you before you got into
37:16
Speaker 3: the bio feedback or any kind of debriefing after, or
37:20
Speaker 3: did he ever mention to you how you were doing
37:23
Speaker 3: or how you did or yeah, like all around, because
37:27
Speaker 3: in those videos, you know, he's talking about how you know,
37:32
Speaker 3: we use They're like, we use a pro plethora of
37:36
Speaker 3: techniques and some of the older techniques and some of
37:39
Speaker 3: the newer techniques. And I think he's referring to and
37:42
Speaker 3: mixing it in kind of with Monroe because he's one connected, Yeah.
37:47
Speaker 2: And manager foundation and that. Yeah, I do remember you
37:51
Speaker 2: going into his office and explaining what they're doing and
37:54
Speaker 2: why they're doing it, and how the blood vessel vessels
37:57
Speaker 2: can constrict and you know, to relax the daw we
38:03
Speaker 2: worked on that, keeping your forehead really soft and you're
38:06
Speaker 2: you know, raising and lowered the temperatures because when you're
38:09
Speaker 2: stressed and you have a lot of tension and anxiety,
38:12
Speaker 2: and this is what caused the constriction of the blood vessels,
38:15
Speaker 2: it causes these headaches and stuff that if you can
38:17
Speaker 2: learn to just stay relaxed and keep your hands warm.
38:20
Speaker 2: So he would talk to me about different techniques. I
38:23
Speaker 2: remember one in particular. You know, just imagine that you
38:27
Speaker 2: don't have any socks and shoes on, and you're walking
38:30
Speaker 2: across something that is really hot. And I would always
38:33
Speaker 2: because I had my little bikes at the time, and
38:35
Speaker 2: I'd always picture myself walking across the street on the
38:39
Speaker 2: hot you know roads, the pavements, and it would warm
38:43
Speaker 2: up your feet, or sticking your hands in hot water
38:46
Speaker 2: or touching something really warm, those kind of things. So
38:50
Speaker 2: you know, he would but I remember him just being
38:52
Speaker 2: very just a very calming presence, very kind. It wasn't
38:58
Speaker 2: anything like I dreaded or I fear. I I you know,
39:02
Speaker 2: it was working. It was helping me control the headaches,
39:05
Speaker 2: and so it was not a negative thing the Twilight
39:09
Speaker 2: Learners at the time, and I really, you know, it
39:13
Speaker 2: was just to control the migrant headaches. But now that
39:17
Speaker 2: we pieced together who he was, and then you piece
39:20
Speaker 2: in the Rocky Mountain ranch and the people that approached
39:22
Speaker 2: my mother, and then the programs that were going on
39:25
Speaker 2: at school, I think they're all interconnected. And then half
39:28
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to just connect all these dots, you know.
39:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they're they're all they're all interconnected. Yeah,
39:37
Speaker 3: in this movie was like trying to put together a
39:40
Speaker 3: giant ass puzzle piece. Right. I can imagine like almost
39:47
Speaker 3: have one of those giant police boards with the string, uh,
39:50
Speaker 3: you know, connecting everything and where everything is supposed to go.
39:54
Speaker 3: So I, uh, you understand.
39:58
Speaker 2: That the MK ultra octopus, that's what it is.
40:04
Speaker 3: That's what it definitely seems like. Mm so what did
40:10
Speaker 3: so when did you get out of the Twilight Learners
40:14
Speaker 3: program and what happened after that? How old were you
40:18
Speaker 3: whenever you stopped going and how did you stop going?
40:21
Speaker 2: Right?
40:22
Speaker 3: You know?
40:22
Speaker 2: I thought a lot about this because you know, I've
40:25
Speaker 2: done podcasts before, and I've spoke at conferences and things,
40:29
Speaker 2: but it's typically about the Rocky Mountain Ranch or lately
40:32
Speaker 2: I've been doing the Denver Roswell Body Connection. This whole
40:36
Speaker 2: side of the things is more personal, especially when we're
40:39
Speaker 2: talking about my half brother and the trauma, and I
40:42
Speaker 2: really had to think a lot about how much do
40:44
Speaker 2: I want to share and why? But really what came
40:48
Speaker 2: through to me is I think it's important for me
40:50
Speaker 2: to just be open and share. Honestly, you could judge
40:55
Speaker 2: me all you want. I don't know. It's just all
40:57
Speaker 2: part of the deal as part of the program. I
40:59
Speaker 2: don't know. But for me, you know, freshman year was
41:05
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. I graduated high school in nineteen eighty four.
41:08
Speaker 2: I was a mother in nineteen eighty five. I had
41:11
Speaker 2: my son right out of high school, my oldest son, Dustin,
41:14
Speaker 2: So I was a young mother right out of high school.
41:17
Speaker 2: I had him so I was nineteen years old. So
41:20
Speaker 2: for me, it was a very quick like all the
41:22
Speaker 2: childhood trauma, then the ranch stuff, then the biofeedback program.
41:27
Speaker 2: Then I was put I went to a special high
41:30
Speaker 2: school for a while that was just a smaller school,
41:32
Speaker 2: which I really liked and did well. And I graduated
41:36
Speaker 2: high school. I had my son and got married and
41:39
Speaker 2: did the family thing. So it was just boom boom boom.
41:41
Speaker 2: But those high school years were a little crazy for me.
41:45
Speaker 2: I was kind of went through a lot of ups
41:48
Speaker 2: and downs. This depression. Had a lot of trouble in
41:52
Speaker 2: high school. I really did. I managed to get through
41:54
Speaker 2: and graduate, had a family. Then I went to college
41:57
Speaker 2: and earned my degree later, you know, with help with
42:00
Speaker 2: adderall in that because of my ADHD. I'll never forget
42:03
Speaker 2: writer when I had my first and I'm not on
42:06
Speaker 2: adderall anymore. But I had to take it to get
42:08
Speaker 2: through college. Without it, I couldn't have done it. But
42:11
Speaker 2: I remember that first time I was really able to focus,
42:14
Speaker 2: like super focus and read my first book from front
42:17
Speaker 2: to back. It was such a like, oh my gosh,
42:19
Speaker 2: this is what it's like to be able to hold
42:21
Speaker 2: and not just be like this all the time. You know.
42:24
Speaker 2: Of course, back when I was a kid, it really
42:26
Speaker 2: wasn't known ADHD or add. It was more your kid's
42:29
Speaker 2: hyperactive and they should stop eating artificial colors and artificial
42:33
Speaker 2: sweet nerves. That's what it was back when I was
42:35
Speaker 2: a kid. So I always resented that. When I grew up,
42:38
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, I can't wait to buy
42:39
Speaker 2: tricks and like the cereal with all the sugars because
42:42
Speaker 2: my mom never let me have it. But so, yeah,
42:45
Speaker 2: it was. I went through some pretty dark, dark years
42:48
Speaker 2: of depression and trouble. And I don't know if that
42:51
Speaker 2: was tied to the programs or not. You know, I'm
42:55
Speaker 2: not sure the.
42:56
Speaker 3: High school that you went to was a for pregnancy?
43:01
Speaker 2: Was the Team pregnant you No, it was called the
43:03
Speaker 2: IT Team Cottage. So the Cherry Creek High School had
43:08
Speaker 2: the IT Team program and it was just you know,
43:11
Speaker 2: I want to say, there was less than one hundred,
43:13
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty kids in the whole school ninth
43:16
Speaker 2: through twelfth, so it's just you know, more one on
43:19
Speaker 2: one individual attention from your teachers. And even my school
43:22
Speaker 2: records say that Tony were going to the counselors, like
43:24
Speaker 2: you know, Katie just needs to feel more connected to
43:28
Speaker 2: her teachers and have a smaller environment so she can
43:31
Speaker 2: focus better those kind of things, and so that's what
43:34
Speaker 2: that was.
43:36
Speaker 3: I was just curious because we know that there are
43:38
Speaker 3: these uh, these teen mother schools that you can that
43:46
Speaker 3: some team like that you're required to give up your
43:49
Speaker 3: child for adoption or are you familiar with any of
43:52
Speaker 3: these Like they're like really insane, Like they will they'll
43:57
Speaker 3: put you in this program when you're a teen pregnant
44:00
Speaker 3: mother and then you go through the program and then
44:03
Speaker 3: at the end they like they take care of you
44:05
Speaker 3: and you go to school there and everything, and then
44:08
Speaker 3: whatever you deliver the baby, they take the baby.
44:12
Speaker 2: I've heard that before.
44:13
Speaker 3: Yes, really really weird it's weird stuff.
44:18
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was fortunate and you know, and the
44:20
Speaker 2: fact that my mother, you know, was, you know, let's
44:23
Speaker 2: have the baby and and so I was able to
44:26
Speaker 2: do that and continue on and went on to have
44:29
Speaker 2: four more children and raised my family and that. So
44:32
Speaker 2: but yeah, those high school years, you know, they were
44:36
Speaker 2: very tumultuous. But that could be part of the trauma
44:40
Speaker 2: and the PTSD. I'm not blaming the program, just typical
44:45
Speaker 2: high school stuff that most of us all go through.
44:48
Speaker 3: You know, do you remember when the gay program stuff stopped.
44:58
Speaker 2: Well, it went all through high school because I was
45:00
Speaker 2: an I team in that my you know, all the
45:03
Speaker 2: special help and counseling and try as matter of fact,
45:10
Speaker 2: now that you mentioned it, now that you mention it,
45:13
Speaker 2: and I don't remember the counselor's name, but I know
45:16
Speaker 2: the school did have me seek outside counseling as well,
45:19
Speaker 2: so I was doing both and that went up until
45:22
Speaker 2: I graduated high school. So yeah, through the end of
45:24
Speaker 2: my school years.
45:27
Speaker 3: So I think it's kind of important to wrap back
45:30
Speaker 3: around to some of the things that were happening on
45:34
Speaker 3: the ranch. And I know you talk about the ranch
45:36
Speaker 3: a lot, but I think that it's important for people
45:41
Speaker 3: to understand some of the things, and you don't have
45:44
Speaker 3: to talk about it. All we've done, people really want
45:47
Speaker 3: to get into it. We've done several other shows on
45:50
Speaker 3: with Katie on the Rocky Mountin Ranch and all of
45:53
Speaker 3: her experiences. But it's just really strange the things that
45:58
Speaker 3: you went through at Rocky Mountain Ranch, with the paranormal
46:02
Speaker 3: stuff and the you know, the supposed alien activity and
46:08
Speaker 3: the possibility of some sort of drugs being introduced there,
46:13
Speaker 3: the strange people being close to an air Force base.
46:16
Speaker 3: The guy that's living there is a former airport, you
46:19
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like all this really stuff,
46:22
Speaker 3: Like you're not just coming up out of this, you know,
46:25
Speaker 3: from nowhere. This is connected back to things that you
46:29
Speaker 3: previously experienced, and it's definitely connected to everything that you
46:33
Speaker 3: experienced after and being put into the bio feedback program
46:36
Speaker 3: and in the Gate program and everything. So I just
46:39
Speaker 3: briefly want to touch on some of that so people
46:42
Speaker 3: don't think that, you know, some of the stuff that
46:45
Speaker 3: was just like you know, an eighty HD program. Something
46:55
Speaker 3: that's more and it's way more connected than what people
47:00
Speaker 3: I think.
47:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think it's tied definitely to the ranch,
47:04
Speaker 2: and definitely the state hospitals, and possibly my grandfather and
47:08
Speaker 2: father too. It's interesting that my grandfather, whose Navy mason
47:11
Speaker 2: in Lake Geneva, had a UFO sighting over Lake Como
47:15
Speaker 2: in the early sixties, investigated by Jay Allen Heinek brother
47:19
Speaker 2: you know, burnt down the house in Lake Geneva. So
47:21
Speaker 2: he was already seeking psychiatric help in Chicago State Hospital.
47:26
Speaker 2: And if you look a lot of these names over
47:28
Speaker 2: that are involved in this, you know, psychic research and stuff.
47:31
Speaker 2: Chicago State Hospital is you know, there's a lot of
47:34
Speaker 2: connections there as well, so it could have started way
47:37
Speaker 2: back then. But you know, so for me and my sister,
47:41
Speaker 2: the ranch stuff was a big secret. We weren't supposed
47:44
Speaker 2: to talk about what was happening out at the ranch,
47:46
Speaker 2: and that comes from this disembodied electrical sounding boys. All
47:51
Speaker 2: the power went out in the house. It was a
47:53
Speaker 2: really scary, terrifying night. But what people need to know
47:58
Speaker 2: is my mother and I feel free to talk about
48:02
Speaker 2: this now because all the adults are since passed away,
48:06
Speaker 2: But my mom was dating Jack that she met in
48:10
Speaker 2: the dev Tech center at work. He never divorced his wife,
48:13
Speaker 2: Betty Betty had a boyfriend, John Duke, so it was
48:16
Speaker 2: John Duke and Betty living at the ranch with her
48:19
Speaker 2: oldest son, and then Jack was dating my mother and
48:25
Speaker 2: his two youngest son lived with us so they could
48:27
Speaker 2: go to the Cherry Creek School district because it's a
48:29
Speaker 2: much bigger school than the little school in Kiowa. But
48:33
Speaker 2: Jack and Betty never divorced. They were married till the
48:38
Speaker 2: end of their lives. That's why I think. I don't
48:41
Speaker 2: know if Jack was aware of the program, or if
48:44
Speaker 2: John Duke or who was being played by who? But
48:47
Speaker 2: certainly the documents that I've been covered at the ranch
48:51
Speaker 2: and there were like the strange home sounds, sasquatch creatures, UFOs,
48:57
Speaker 2: two types supposedly. I've never saw creatures or UFOs. But
49:02
Speaker 2: a lot of lights off and off the property. It's
49:04
Speaker 2: basically your Skinwalker ranch. You know, a lot of blackout helicopters,
49:09
Speaker 2: the animal mutilations. This is where Linda Moilton how got
49:11
Speaker 2: her start. So animal mutilations, and my sister and I remember,
49:15
Speaker 2: you know, oh the police are being called, but everything
49:17
Speaker 2: was very hush hush. We never knew it was investigated
49:20
Speaker 2: by anybody. We thought it was this family secret. So
49:23
Speaker 2: I bought this book right here what I don't know,
49:27
Speaker 2: a lot of years ago, and I read the back
49:29
Speaker 2: of it. I'm like, wow, that sounds like my childhood,
49:31
Speaker 2: the ranch of my childhood. And in this is other
49:34
Speaker 2: hot Spots, and they talked about the ranch in Colorado,
49:36
Speaker 2: and I can remember meeting George nat for the first
49:38
Speaker 2: time because they didn't know the actual location or the people.
49:42
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, I got some info for you,
49:45
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's been just And then this
49:48
Speaker 2: one where it really talks about the hitchhiker stuff. This
49:51
Speaker 2: one really was an eye opener for me because I
49:53
Speaker 2: always compartmentalized what happened on the ranch was at the ranch,
49:57
Speaker 2: but what was happening to me personally at home. I
50:00
Speaker 2: thought not connected. But apparently, you know, the shadow feet,
50:04
Speaker 2: the shadow beans in my room, always sleeping with Big Sister,
50:08
Speaker 2: I mean, these things were scary at the foot of
50:10
Speaker 2: my bed, side of my bed, inside my doorway, terrifying,
50:15
Speaker 2: the paranormal things at the house. I just thought the
50:18
Speaker 2: house was haunted from relatives or whatever. I didn't really
50:21
Speaker 2: connect all the paranormal stuff to the ranch, but through
50:24
Speaker 2: my whole life and even to this day, paranormal stuff
50:28
Speaker 2: no matter where I'm at. So that's a classic kitchhiker
50:30
Speaker 2: kind of thing. And I wonder if the Twilight Learners
50:33
Speaker 2: opened me up to that as well. The disassociation. Does
50:36
Speaker 2: that open the doorway for those things to just continue
50:39
Speaker 2: continuously affect you like that? So, yeah, it's all connected,
50:43
Speaker 2: all of it.
50:45
Speaker 3: I just think that was important to, uh, you know,
50:48
Speaker 3: talk about because yeah, when it's there's not really that
50:52
Speaker 3: the type of context, it might seem like that, you know,
50:56
Speaker 3: you were just in some kind of right, But whenever
51:01
Speaker 3: you put that into context with everything else that happened,
51:04
Speaker 3: it's like it's all it all makes sense, you.
51:07
Speaker 2: Know, deep about trauma.
51:10
Speaker 3: It was about something much more because you experienced a
51:14
Speaker 3: lot of insane things when you were younger on the ramp.
51:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And what's interesting in the documents at doctor
51:22
Speaker 2: Leo and doctor Leo Sprinkle. Interestingly enough, he was a
51:25
Speaker 2: psychologist at a Laramie. He wrote this book, Soul Sample,
51:28
Speaker 2: so he was very much into looking at the psychology
51:32
Speaker 2: of people that have these experiences, right, you know, for
51:36
Speaker 2: forty plus years. And what's interesting in doctor Leo Sprinkle's
51:41
Speaker 2: records there is a psychic known by the name of
51:45
Speaker 2: Clarissa Bernhardt. And in the documents there's letters from Clarissa
51:49
Speaker 2: and she went to the Rocky Mountain ranch with Leo PhD,
51:54
Speaker 2: John Der PhD. In Peter van Arsdale, PhD. They're all
51:57
Speaker 2: studying the ranch unbeknownst to me and my sister, my mother.
52:01
Speaker 2: But Clarissa burnhow Heart in the document states that the
52:05
Speaker 2: activity on the ranch seemed to increase when the young
52:09
Speaker 2: girl was there, or when the young girl visited. The
52:12
Speaker 2: young girl was me and I'm like what. So when
52:15
Speaker 2: I interviewed Clarissa, you know, all decades later, she remembered
52:21
Speaker 2: that and she was psychically picking up this young girl
52:25
Speaker 2: on the ranch. So I thought that was kind of interesting.
52:30
Speaker 3: That is super interesting.
52:32
Speaker 2: Clorissahart, Clarissa Burnhower. Oh and just this last weekend we
52:37
Speaker 2: went and did a CE six's the thing at the
52:40
Speaker 2: ranch at the landing site. So the landing site, if
52:43
Speaker 2: anybody's watched beyond Skinwalker, this is where my sister and
52:46
Speaker 2: I were flipping the frisbee. We looked down, there's dry
52:49
Speaker 2: dirt under our feet, but there's wet, heavy snow on
52:51
Speaker 2: the outside. And in the reports it says that circle
52:54
Speaker 2: was seventy five feet in diameter, there were drops of
52:57
Speaker 2: blood in the snow outside the snowless circle, and that
53:00
Speaker 2: there were two snowless circles seventy five feet in diameter
53:03
Speaker 2: on the ranch. So we just went and did a
53:07
Speaker 2: CE six circle where we're doing the aeio, you know,
53:11
Speaker 2: and chanting in that and just kind of love and
53:14
Speaker 2: light and like we're trying to do positive CE six protocol.
53:18
Speaker 2: And what was really interesting about it, as we're doing this,
53:21
Speaker 2: the rempots going up, but we were getting these crazy
53:25
Speaker 2: wind The wind was just picking up right where we
53:28
Speaker 2: were having this event. All three times we did the
53:32
Speaker 2: chance and then it would just go calm, no rain, forecast,
53:34
Speaker 2: no nothing. It was really strange. So I'm looking forward
53:37
Speaker 2: to the actual results of that experience at the ranch
53:41
Speaker 2: this last weekend. And we did have some anomalous lights.
53:44
Speaker 2: We'll see if they captured those as well. But I
53:47
Speaker 2: really feel anytime I go back to the Rocky Mountain Ranch,
53:51
Speaker 2: it's like it's like a download or this. I feel connected.
53:56
Speaker 2: I know that may sound strange to a lot of people,
53:58
Speaker 2: but there's something going on.
53:59
Speaker 3: There is the landing pad still there still no grass,
54:07
Speaker 3: that will grow.
54:08
Speaker 2: There, No, it grows. What's strange though, is the owners
54:11
Speaker 2: that live on the ranch now they have three dogs,
54:14
Speaker 2: and their one dog will not go to that area.
54:17
Speaker 2: Never has the dog will Oscar is the name of
54:20
Speaker 2: their dog, and he'll go anywhere else on the ranch
54:22
Speaker 2: except for where that landing site and also the land
54:25
Speaker 2: this is where they launched the rocket from the cistern
54:28
Speaker 2: and it kind of went up and then fell, and
54:30
Speaker 2: it fell right by the landing site. It's also where
54:33
Speaker 2: the folks from Oak Island came and they did the
54:39
Speaker 2: ground penetraining radar and right there at the landing site
54:42
Speaker 2: they got readings until a certain depth and then it
54:45
Speaker 2: just went completely black. So we don't know what's under
54:48
Speaker 2: that area. That's where I had my physical pains and stuff.
54:53
Speaker 2: So it was a little hesitant to go back this
54:54
Speaker 2: last weekend, like, oh my gosh, I don't want to
54:56
Speaker 2: experience that again. But for some reason, it felt very calm,
54:59
Speaker 2: and you know, it was kind of really I don't
55:02
Speaker 2: know if it was because there was a group of
55:03
Speaker 2: twelve of us there and we went in with the intention.
55:07
Speaker 2: I think intention plays an important part. So I was
55:09
Speaker 2: feeling supported and it was all love and light and
55:13
Speaker 2: positive and so, you know, I felt fairly decent until
55:17
Speaker 2: we walked over to the cistern, and then you get
55:19
Speaker 2: back into that area and the energy shifts.
55:22
Speaker 3: So, but are you friends with the new owners?
55:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am. He unfortunately after season one of
55:30
Speaker 2: Beyond lost his wife, Chris. I was so honored to
55:32
Speaker 2: be able to meet her. She was a wonderful woman.
55:36
Speaker 2: His daughter is fantastic, and they're just great people. And
55:41
Speaker 2: that's another thing. I'm like, Greg, you know, you've lived
55:44
Speaker 2: here for all these years. They were the owners after
55:46
Speaker 2: my mom's boyfriend's family sold it. But he's he's such
55:50
Speaker 2: a tinker, like he's working on things all the time,
55:52
Speaker 2: working on the cars. He's not really focused on what's
55:55
Speaker 2: going on like intuitively, psychically, spiritually around him. But he's
56:01
Speaker 2: had some really interesting experiences. I think, since you know,
56:05
Speaker 2: it was one of those things that I'm like, I
56:07
Speaker 2: had all the reports and all these documents on what
56:09
Speaker 2: happened at the ranch previously, and I didn't know if
56:12
Speaker 2: they were experiencing that or what they knew about their property,
56:16
Speaker 2: and I wanted to meet them in person and not
56:19
Speaker 2: just tell them over the phone, Hey, this is the
56:21
Speaker 2: history of where you live. But then COVID hit and
56:25
Speaker 2: so you know, we were all on lockdown and then
56:27
Speaker 2: I was contacted by Beyond and then the rest is history.
56:31
Speaker 2: But they're fantastic people that live there.
56:33
Speaker 3: Now, that's really good. That's really good that you can
56:36
Speaker 3: be friends and be in contact with them. Yeah, on
56:40
Speaker 3: the property. So that's really nice of them, Katie. Anything
56:45
Speaker 3: else that you wanted to bring it up about the movie,
56:48
Speaker 3: anything else that we didn't cover that you would like
56:50
Speaker 3: to cover, Any research that you've recently discovered that we
56:55
Speaker 3: did not get to cover.
56:57
Speaker 2: I would just like to thank you again, writer, because
56:59
Speaker 2: it's an important topic for you know, thousands of people
57:03
Speaker 2: that have been affected by these programs, and I think
57:05
Speaker 2: it's about time to have these conversations with these kids
57:09
Speaker 2: that can sometimes sometimes feel isolated or different or you know,
57:13
Speaker 2: whether it's gifted or talented or the other side where
57:15
Speaker 2: you're struggling a little bit. Everybody has their own unique
57:18
Speaker 2: talents and gifts, and it's important to just be open
57:21
Speaker 2: and talk about what's real. You know, we live in
57:24
Speaker 2: such a world that everything is even I mean, I
57:27
Speaker 2: don't want to bring this topic up, but Charlie Kirk
57:30
Speaker 2: and the Syops, the Syops world we're living in. I
57:35
Speaker 2: want truth. I want truth and transparency in this thing.
57:38
Speaker 2: So I really commend you for for going, you know,
57:41
Speaker 2: bringing this forward. It's important and I got to be
57:44
Speaker 2: courageous and do the same.
57:47
Speaker 3: Yeah. Charlie Kirk was also in the in the program.
57:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
57:57
Speaker 3: He was in this place called QUEST. I mean it
58:02
Speaker 3: was renamed, well, it used to be called Creative Children's
58:06
Speaker 3: Academy and now it's renamed Quest Academy and it was
58:11
Speaker 3: renamed in nineteen nuety nine and still still in operation.
58:15
Speaker 3: And this is an entire school. This isn't just a
58:18
Speaker 3: class Yeah, this is a Gifted and Talented date school
58:23
Speaker 3: where all the kids inside of the school are gifted
58:29
Speaker 3: and talented, identified as gifted and talented kids. Well, that's
58:34
Speaker 3: even different than just being pulled out of the classroom
58:37
Speaker 3: every day. This is an entire school dedicated to gifted
58:41
Speaker 3: and talented people. And you can just look up a
58:45
Speaker 3: QUEST school on Google and go read their website.
58:49
Speaker 2: Right, it's so hard. I mean, the world we're living
58:53
Speaker 2: in now is really difficult. To be in a household
58:56
Speaker 2: where both parents don't need to work. It's so hard
58:58
Speaker 2: to be super involved in your children's education, but especially
59:02
Speaker 2: if they're in these special schools or public education, you
59:05
Speaker 2: really need to take her look at you know, what
59:08
Speaker 2: it is your children are being taught, and especially if
59:11
Speaker 2: they're being pulled out for any type of programs, what
59:13
Speaker 2: exactly is going on?
59:16
Speaker 3: You know? So it's hard to keep track of all that.
59:19
Speaker 3: People are so busy and get it. I mean they
59:23
Speaker 3: got a lot on their plate, you know.
59:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my mom. She was a single mom,
59:28
Speaker 2: you know, raising us girls and worked and she didn't
59:30
Speaker 2: have time to know. I'm sure they said, hey, we're
59:32
Speaker 2: going to be doing this. She's got great signed off
59:34
Speaker 2: on it, and that was it. I'm not blaming my mom,
59:38
Speaker 2: but you know.
59:42
Speaker 3: Please check out the documentary if you haven't already, Psychic
59:44
Speaker 3: Agent the Gay Program. The link is in the description.
59:47
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59:51
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Speaker 2: Hey can find me at Rocky Mountain ranchresearch dot org
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