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9-01-26 - The wrong way to handle dead money/"Top Heavy" Avs, Rox crushing defeat/Cooper pleads not guilty · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is the Appetizer Hour with Brett Cain on demand.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I thought Sam earned it, played well, especially finished
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  Speaker 2: the season, the preseason well. We felt that became an
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  Speaker 2: easier decision as we got into camp a little bit further.
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  Speaker 3: Sean Payton talking about the cues. Now, I....
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  Speaker 4: Watching yesterday, Waver Wire, good news, you bring back Red Murdoch,
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  Speaker 4: who was, you know, a standout in camp and seems
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  Speaker 4: to have some potential. Here's the thing, though, and it's
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  Speaker 4: a huge dichotomy between two completely different situations. And it's
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  Speaker 4: pretty amazing to me... to see a couple of these
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  Speaker 4: details in front of you. Considering where this Sean Payton
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  Speaker 4: Broncos regime started and where this regime is at now
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  Speaker 4: heading into year four, it's sort of a master class.
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  Speaker 3: In how you go about navigating a very difficult situation.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason I want to bring this up is...
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  Speaker 3: Because of this.
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  Speaker 4: When I was watching the waiver wire claims yesterday and
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  Speaker 4: wondering if the Broncos are going to pick somebody up,
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  Speaker 4: if they're going to lose somebody, turns out they lost two.
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  Speaker 4: And one of them was fifth round pick Justin Jolie.
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  Speaker 4: Some people around town really upset about it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not, I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I would have preferred to have him back on
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  Speaker 4: practice squad. It seems like he has, um, He had
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  Speaker 4: potential to be pass-catching sort of weapon in the offense
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  Speaker 4: somewhere down the line.
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  Speaker 3: Still a little bit raw, but had that ability.
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  Speaker 4: And I always kind of go back to the idea of,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why you're keeping three quarterbacks on the roster.
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  Speaker 4: Was that worth losing a tight end with some future
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  Speaker 4: potential maybe to take over for an Evan Ingram type?
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  Speaker 4: And now you're going to start back at the drawing
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  Speaker 4: board at that position next year. So there's aspects of
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  Speaker 4: that that I'm like not a huge fan of.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, guys, I don't know if Justin Jolie is going
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  Speaker 4: to be anything or not. But here's the bigger thing.
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  Speaker 4: Different situations handled in the Broncos case in an amazing way.
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  Speaker 4: But in the case of the team that claimed Justin
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  Speaker 4: Joe Lee, really tough. So here's what happened yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: The Miami Dolphins did something I've never seen before. Never
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  Speaker 3: seen it. They claimed seven different players across the league
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  Speaker 3: off of waivers. Seven. Do you know how bad you
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  Speaker 3: have to hate your roster to claim seven players from
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  Speaker 3: other teams who just got cut all at the same time?
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  Speaker 3: Do you understand how miserable.
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  Speaker 4: You have to believe your 53-man roster was going into that?
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  Speaker 4: That you're like, I am willing, not only am I willing,
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  Speaker 4: to take on seven more players. I'm willing to cut
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  Speaker 4: seven more that we currently have. The Broncos found themselves
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  Speaker 4: in the opposite situation. They were cutting players they did
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  Speaker 4: not want to cut. But you just look at where
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  Speaker 4: the Broncos are at right now from, or I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 4: the Dolphins, from surely a dead money.
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  Speaker 3: Sort of number.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know how much dead money is on the
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  Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins roster right now? It's almost unfathomable, okay? Right now,
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  Speaker 4: on offense, they are spending $ 56. 8 million on players currently
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  Speaker 4: on the roster. Guys who will suit up on Sundays
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  Speaker 4: and play football for them.
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  Speaker 3: $ 56. 8 million. On defense, they're spending $ 57. 2 million. And on
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  Speaker 3: special teams, they're spending $ 3. 7 million.
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  Speaker 4: They are paying $ 181 million to players who no longer
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  Speaker 4: are there.
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  Speaker 3: Tua, 55.4. Tyree Kill, 28.2. Jalen Waddle, 23.2. Jalen Ramsey, 20.8.
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  Speaker 3: Mika Fitzpatrick, $ 13 million. Bradley Chubb, $ 11 million. Tarana Armstead, $ 10. 7 million.
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  Speaker 4: And the list goes on and on from there. Their
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  Speaker 4: highest paid player on their roster right now just by
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  Speaker 4: the cap number, is Zach Saylor, who's making $ 11.
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  Speaker 3: 4 million.
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  Speaker 4: Their next highest paid player against the cap is Austin Jackson,
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  Speaker 4: who's making 6.8. It is remarkable.
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  Speaker 3: How bad that team is. And I want to juxtapose
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  Speaker 3: that To what Denver's doing.
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  Speaker 4: Because I want to show you guys, just kind of
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  Speaker 4: like give you an actual example of the differences in
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  Speaker 4: the way that teams operate. So I told you the
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  Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins in dead cap this year, $ 181. 6 million is
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  Speaker 4: going to players not on their roster. 181.6. Nelly, take
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  Speaker 4: a guess. How much do you think the Broncos have
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  Speaker 4: in dead cap this year?
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  Speaker 3: Dead money.
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  Speaker 5: Russ is off the books, right?
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  Speaker 3: He's off the books entirely now, yes. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: 10 million?
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  Speaker 3: 5.9.
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  Speaker 4: There you go. The worst offender in that group is
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  Speaker 4: Dre Greenlaw at $ 2.
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  Speaker 2: 1 million.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: And again, it's a simple case of how do you
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  Speaker 4: handle these situations?
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  Speaker 3: How do you do it? And the Dolphins are very
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  Speaker 3: obviously turning over.
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  Speaker 4: Now, next week, as we head into the first week
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  Speaker 4: of the football season, I will do my yearly thing,
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  Speaker 4: which I've always, it's one of my favorite things of
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  Speaker 4: the year. Some people do power rankings. Some people do tiers.
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  Speaker 4: Your boy does both. I do power rankings with tears.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody's doing that around here. We'll do that tomorrow. And
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  Speaker 4: I'll just give you a preview of my guarantee. My
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  Speaker 4: guarantee is going to be that the Miami Dolphins are
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  Speaker 4: going to be dead last on that list. Miami Dolphins
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  Speaker 4: have a roster that very possibly might not win a
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  Speaker 4: football game. It's that bad. Now, how do you navigate that?
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  Speaker 4: How do you get around it? And that's the big thing.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be the first one to admit, when the Broncos
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  Speaker 4: cut Russell Wilson and they drafted Bo Nix, do you
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  Speaker 4: know what I thought to myself, Nelly? I thought the
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  Speaker 4: Broncos would be picking in the top five that year.
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  Speaker 4: Because it's very, very, very difficult to navigate that much
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  Speaker 4: money not being available.
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  Speaker 3: It's really hard.
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  Speaker 4: And I looked at what they had on their roster,
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  Speaker 4: what they had on their schedule, and I just thought
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  Speaker 4: to myself, there's no way this team can make something
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  Speaker 4: of this season. And to their credit, not only did
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  Speaker 4: they make something of the season, they made the postseason.
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  Speaker 4: parlayed that the following year into an AFC championship appearance,
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  Speaker 4: and we know the rest. But I can't tell you
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  Speaker 4: how difficult of waters that was to navigate and how
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  Speaker 4: stellar of a job that George and Sean Payton did
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  Speaker 4: in navigating that. Again, Tua's situation and what they're paying
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  Speaker 4: him is very similar to to what the Broncos did. So,
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  Speaker 4: the dead money for Tua in a very similar situation.
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  Speaker 4: This year, it was $ 55. 4 million. The Dolphins next year
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  Speaker 4: will be paying him $ 4. I think, if I remember
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  Speaker 4: this correctly, Nelly, was it $ 50 million year one and
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  Speaker 4: $ 35 million year two for Russell Wilson?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was somewhere in that ballpark.
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  Speaker 5: Because I know it was north of $ 80 million and
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  Speaker 5: they split it over two years.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And they front-ended it. So I think that those numbers are...
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  Speaker 5: Mostly right, yes.
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  Speaker 4: So the Dolphins are doing the same thing, but they're
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  Speaker 4: doing even more than that in paying off Tyreek Hill
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  Speaker 4: and Jalen Waddell and Jalen Ramsey and Mika Fitzpatrick and
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  Speaker 4: Bradley Chubb and Taron Armstead and all these different guys.
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  Speaker 3: They're taking it a step farther. But where the Broncos
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  Speaker 3: are at... Because....
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  Speaker 4: Of decisions that were made post-Russell Wilson that were intentional,
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  Speaker 4: where you did have the money, where did you spend it,
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  Speaker 4: on the foundation of a football team, offensive and defensive line.
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  Speaker 4: It's the most amazing thing. As much as we get
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  Speaker 4: enamored with man, look at the flashy wide receiver this
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  Speaker 4: team has, or look at this stud running back that
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  Speaker 4: this team has, or look at this quarterback that does X, Y,
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  Speaker 4: and Z. How do you win football games? The answer's
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  Speaker 4: been the same for 60 years. Dominate the line of
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  Speaker 4: scrimmage on both sides of the football. You do that,
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  Speaker 4: you're probably going to win. It's the most tried and
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  Speaker 4: true formula you're going to find in sports. Dominate up front.
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  Speaker 4: And it's very likely that you're going to be okay.
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  Speaker 4: So I say all of this to tell you, if
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  Speaker 4: you're one of these people that's upset yesterday with losing
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  Speaker 4: a Justin Jolie to waivers, and again, I'm not a
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  Speaker 4: fan of it, but I'm going to go back to
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  Speaker 4: something that I think is earned.
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  Speaker 3: And it's been this way for a few years.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's time that we acknowledge this even more.
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  Speaker 4: The Broncos, much like the Nuggets and much like the
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  Speaker 4: Avs over the last few years, if you have disagreed
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  Speaker 4: with a move, you're a fan. Of course you're allowed to.
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  Speaker 4: I've had plenty that I've disagreed with over the years
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  Speaker 4: with all three of these teams. But I will go
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  Speaker 4: back to one thing. I think they've earned the right
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  Speaker 4: with how they've built these rosters to maybe earn a
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  Speaker 4: little benefit of the doubt. Now, if Justin Jolie goes
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  Speaker 4: to Miami and becomes some all pro tight end, then yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's a gigantic whiff.
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  Speaker 3: Oopsie daisy.
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  Speaker 4: No, the big thing that I'm, I would say about
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  Speaker 4: losing him specifically. And it's, it's not so much like
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  Speaker 4: I was blown away by him in camp or preseason.
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  Speaker 4: Cause it wasn't, but it's just, you're kind of starting
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  Speaker 4: from the same place at tight end. And you're probably
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  Speaker 4: going to restart, be restarting that next year. Um, This
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  Speaker 4: year is going to be your same old Evan Ingram,
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  Speaker 4: Adam Troutman, Nate Atkins rotation with maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of Dallin Bentley blocking mixed in.
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  Speaker 3: But I think I've made it pretty clear. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a huge fan of... I'm fine with Troutman. I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still very puzzled by the amount of money that
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  Speaker 4: Troutman got.
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  Speaker 3: And it just feels like Dallin Bentley's like another, he's
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  Speaker 3: sort of a Troutman clone, which is great.
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  Speaker 4: You need tight ends who can block. But I think
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  Speaker 4: that the separator with some offenses and what makes them
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  Speaker 4: so dynamic is a dynamic tight end that can really,
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  Speaker 4: really put a fear In the opposing defense.
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  Speaker 3: So, 303-504-0925.
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  Speaker 4: Texture says, you city slickers abandoned your post yesterday because
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  Speaker 4: they were laying asphalt outside? Give up your man cards.
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  Speaker 4: To be fair, one, we were told we had to leave.
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  Speaker 3: We were told.
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  Speaker 4: We were still on the air. I was still talking.
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  Speaker 4: And our boss was like, you got to get out
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  Speaker 4: of here. And there was a fireman with an axe
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  Speaker 4: that showed up. And I go, okay, it must be serious.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on. Secondly, it had a
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  Speaker 4: strong sort of electric fire smell to it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it.
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  Speaker 5: And as we said yesterday, I cannot emphasize enough how
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  Speaker 5: much every single nook and cranny of this building smelled
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  Speaker 5: like burning ass. I mean, our instincts were just, this
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  Speaker 5: isn't right. We got to get out of here. I
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  Speaker 5: guess the main takeaway is, I'm glad that John Wayne
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  Speaker 5: listens to our show over here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, pilgrims, why didn't you get out of the building?
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  Speaker 5: City Slickers, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, man.
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  Speaker 5: No, who was the guy in the movie City Slickers?
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  Speaker 5: Was it Jack Palance? Yeah, that guy who played the
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  Speaker 5: old rough and tumble guy who ran the ranch. This
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  Speaker 5: is one of those moments I actually need Mosier.
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  Speaker 3: Billy Crystal, right, was in that movie?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he and Daniel Stern were attending the ranch.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: The old grizzled guy who ran the ranch evidently listens
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  Speaker 5: to our show now, so that's good news.
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  Speaker 3: I like that, though.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm a big farmer guy. I think the backbone
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  Speaker 4: of America are farmers. Shout out.
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  Speaker 3: 303-504-0925. A lot more to get to. Stick around.
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  Speaker 4: Joe, what do you say to fans and online experts
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  Speaker 4: who will say top-heavy teams don't win as many cups
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  Speaker 4: as balanced teams?
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  Speaker 3: You get that a lot. Maybe you hear that, too.
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  Speaker 6: Probably disagree with that statement. You can't win without superstars. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you need, uh, you need depth. Uh, you need your
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  Speaker 6: team playing, playing really well at the right time. You
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  Speaker 6: have to, you know, when it comes to playoffs, um,
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  Speaker 6: you need bounces, but you need your players to be healthy.
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  Speaker 6: We ran into the injury bug a little bit last year, um,
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  Speaker 6: especially with kale. Um, we had a bad week that,
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  Speaker 6: that costed us, but, uh, we had a team that was, uh,
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  Speaker 6: built to win. It didn't happen. And we expect our
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  Speaker 6: team to be built to win for a long time.
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  Speaker 6: But you can't, unless you have guys like Cale and
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  Speaker 6: Nate on your team, it makes it a lot harder.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that sack yesterday at the McCarr press conference. I'm
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  Speaker 4: so confused by this. And I understand that was, was
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  Speaker 4: that Sean Keeler.
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  Speaker 3: Who asked the question?
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  Speaker 5: Yep, Sean Keeler.
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  Speaker 3: I understand why.
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  Speaker 4: Sean asked it, because there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: that talk about this, about being top-heavy and all this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And it's something we've discussed on the show before. I
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  Speaker 4: think with the Nuggets, it's a little bit different when you.
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  Speaker 3: Have basically four guys who are taking up a gigantic
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  Speaker 3: part of your cap. Here's what I don't get with
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  Speaker 3: the Avs, though. Are they that top-heavy?
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  Speaker 4: Like, in comparison to other places, are they that top-heavy?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yes, when you pay somebody $ 20 million a year.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to take a gigantic part of the cap.
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  Speaker 4: Nathan McKinnon's making $ 12. 6 million until 2031. That's the craziest
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  Speaker 4: number you can get.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of the best in the world.
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  Speaker 4: And here's, I'm just going to reemphasize something. When you
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  Speaker 4: draft players with the hope that those players become superstars,
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  Speaker 4: and God, if the stars align, they become Hall of Famers. Well,
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Famers, because they're the best in the league,
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  Speaker 4: get paid the most money in the league. That applies
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  Speaker 4: to pretty much every business you've ever heard of. Can
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  Speaker 4: you name, Nelly, name a random occupation for me. As
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  Speaker 4: random as you can get.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Plumber.
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  Speaker 4: I bet you the best plumber in America makes a
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  Speaker 4: lot of money. Because he's good at what he does.
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  Speaker 3: Or she. I don't know. Like, what? What do Avs fans.
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  Speaker 4: Who are, I guess, thinking about the, quote, top-heavy nature
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  Speaker 4: of the roster, what do you propose?
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  Speaker 3: That they don't sign him? That they let him go?
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  Speaker 3: And again, I don't think it's as top-heavy as people
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  Speaker 3: make it out to be. So Kale's making 20.4. That's
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 4: McKinnon at 12.6 is a steal. And at 12.6 for
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  Speaker 4: the next five years, steal. Marty Natchez at 11.5, totally
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  Speaker 4: reasonable for the next five years.
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  Speaker 3: You have Gabe making seven.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that's a little bit steep considering he missed three
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  Speaker 4: years of hockey. And He's getting older. He's 33, but
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  Speaker 4: still good player. I mean, what else are we looking at?
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  Speaker 3: Logan O'Connor at two and a half.
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  Speaker 4: Jaden Schwartz, excuse me, 3.25. Taves at 7.2. Malinsky at 4.7.
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  Speaker 4: Kulak at four and a half. Manson at four. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what's top heavy. The one thing, the one
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  Speaker 4: thing that should be at the top of mind for
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  Speaker 4: everybody is getting Kale's deal done for.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever price it takes.
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  Speaker 4: And so top heavy, where that comes into play is
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  Speaker 4: if your top heavy guy, one, isn't producing at that level,
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  Speaker 4: or two, is getting injured a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And Kale is not guilty of either of those things.
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  Speaker 3: He got hurt at the wrong time, I suppose, missing
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  Speaker 3: a couple of games against Vegas. But I just, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know why any of this would
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  Speaker 3: be viewed as a problem. This is the price of
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  Speaker 3: good talent evaluation.
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  Speaker 4: And it's sort of, look, I'm not a big brand guy,
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  Speaker 4: so maybe I'm the wrong guy to be talking about
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  Speaker 4: with this. But if your dream was to have a
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  Speaker 4: huge mansion, let's go with that instead of brands. If
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  Speaker 4: you wanted a huge mansion that was your lifelong dream
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  Speaker 4: and you made, I don't know, millions of dollars, and
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  Speaker 4: you're like, I want a six, I don't even know
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  Speaker 4: what a mansion would have, an eight-bedroom house. What did
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  Speaker 4: Russell Wilson have? 13 bathrooms, whatever, right? Well, that house
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  Speaker 4: is going to cost a lot more money.
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  Speaker 3: Why? Because you're getting good stuff. That's why.
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  Speaker 4: You want a Ferrari? Well, a Ferrari costs way more
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  Speaker 4: than a Honda Civic. So a texture says, Brett, you're
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  Speaker 4: not top-heavy right now. You're going to be top-heavy after
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  Speaker 4: Leckie and others walk because you can't afford to extend
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  Speaker 4: them after Cale's money hits. It might be like that
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  Speaker 4: in the short term. It won't be like that three,
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  Speaker 4: four years from now. In three to four years, there
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  Speaker 4: will be 20 guys in this league making $ 20 million
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  Speaker 4: a year. The cap will continue to rise. Again, these
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  Speaker 4: are things that you've planned for. You are planning for.
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  Speaker 4: They planned probably for this two years ago, knowing what
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  Speaker 4: was coming. But it's like, I just.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know what people, what did you prefer to
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: happen outside of that? You aren't going to hard negotiate
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: with your best player, by the way, or one of
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: your best players. You don't go to a Hall of
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Famer and try and nickel and dime them. You aren't
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: going to have that kind of relationship. You do exactly
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: what the Avs did. How much money do you want
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: to make? Pretty much the most you can?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Cool. Here's the check.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's just something that over the last couple
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: of days since that deal was signed, I just, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: don't know what the alternative was. And it's not like
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: this came as a surprise to anybody within the Avs organization.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Wait, Kale wants to make the most money in the league?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I'm shocked. They weren't.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Broadcasting from the back is in Shanker Studios. Serious Lawyers
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: for the Seriously Injured. The Rockies are on a quest
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: to not lose 100 games.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: And they're battlers. Like, they go out and, look, they're
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: not a very good baseball team, but I give them
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: this credit.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: That team tried. So going into last night, they've been
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: on just this horrible stretch. It feels like they were
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: going to miss that 100 loss mark. But over the
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, It's been terrible. So they went
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: on a seven-game losing streak before winning two in a
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: row against the Nats, and then they've gone back on
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: a five-game losing streak.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: But how they lost the last three games have been brutal.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: All one-run losses, and last night, Jake McCarthy steps up
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: to the plate, and.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: It's the bottom of the ninth. You're down one, man on,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: two outs.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: He rips one to dead center field, and what he's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: been doing all year long, Jake McCarthy has been like Mr.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Clutch. He hits a ball that was.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Estimated at 425 feet. 425 feet. And here's what it
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: sounded like if we have the audio here now.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Would you like to hear the Rockies call or the
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Orioles call?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Let's do the Rocks first. Rockies first. Fly ball, deep
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: center field, going back. Couser still going back. Leaps. He
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: caught it. Oh, my goodness. That went from a winger
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to the most painful loss in a while.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Colton Couser, center fielder for that giant boom that you heard,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: by the way. Was him running full speed with his
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: back hitting the wall as he robbed the game-winning home run?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Walk off.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: And also, how about at the beginning, all the let's
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: go O's chants?
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Well, we'll get to that in a minute. But here's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: how the Orioles broadcast sounded.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Make your pitches, but know where to miss. McCarthy deep
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: center field.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Couser racing back. Couser near the wall.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Jumps.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Couser! He made the catch! He made the catch!
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: It would be the greatest home run robbery game-ending catch
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: you'll see in your life!
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: You've got to be kidding me!
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable!
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: That's what it's like to be a Rockies fan. Um, again,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: it looked like, and make no mistake, Nelly, the Orioles
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: are a half game back.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. They are. Is it a half game back?
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Half game back of a wildcard spot in the AL.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Like every game matters to them. Every win matters to
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: them right now.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: They just got above 500 or maybe they're right at
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: 500 for the first time since April.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: They are 69 and 69, but they're half game backs
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: of the Cleveland guardians for a wild card. It's, it's
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: a massive play for them to keep them in the
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: race and keep them in the hunt. But the rocks
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: now for the rest of the way to, and I think, look,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: I tried to explain this yesterday. If you're a struggling
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: football team in the NFL and is there, is there
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: a massive difference by going 8-9 or 9-8 while you
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: still miss the playoffs? Like, if both of those records
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: still mean you miss the playoffs, is it a huge difference?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: No.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: There's really no difference. But to be able to say
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that you had a winning season at 9-8 feels better
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: than going 8-9.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: And I think in the same way for the Rocks,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: saying we didn't lose 100 games again is like, it
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: would be a nice marker of progress. Whether they lose
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: 99 or 98 or 100, not having the triple digit,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I think, is a nice little mental thing for them.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: But now they have to finish the season 11, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: think 11 and 13. You got to.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Play essentially 500 baseball, which has been tough to come
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: by for them this year.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Haven't done that too often. Even in the first half of.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: The year where they were rattling off some wins, I mean,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: they were trying to figure out when they played 500 baseball.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: They started the year 6-6, but it's been pretty slim
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: picking since then. If you can play nearly 500 baseball,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: you can avoid this. Now, I already know what's going
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: to happen today. There's another piece of audio. that emerged
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: from that game. This is the Orioles' manager postgame, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: he said this.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: The crowd was unbelievable. Our fans, they've been great all year,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: especially on the road. We travel well, and we hear them.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: And today, in particular, absolutely. There was a lot of
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: O's contingency. We heard them during BP, which was awesome.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: We heard them throughout the game, and obviously the long
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: rain delay, them sticking around. When we came back out
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: for the 6th, It was rocking pretty good with just
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: O's fans. It was awesome.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I know that everybody is going to nitpick this one. Nelly,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: you said this even made you mad. Why did this
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: make you mad?
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Well, DMACC sent me the clip, props to DMACC for
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: sending this my way, and I listened to it, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: I was like, dude, you're the... You're the frigging Orioles,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: and you're talking about how great your fans travel? Oh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Is Baltimore in SoCal where the Dodgers play?
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Are we talking about the Cubs here or the Yankees? Like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: where do Orioles fans get off traveling? Like, that just
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: makes me mad. Go watch The Wire for the 30th time.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: We're catching heat for Baltimore fans being there?
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Now, I would say the Orioles have been a pretty
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: good baseball team in recent memory. Like the last five years,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: they've been a team that's been, you know, near the
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: top of their division, making wild cards, stuff like that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, they've had something cooking there for a minute. Now,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: here's what's tough. You got a team that's probably going
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to lose 100 games again this year. It's a Monday.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: School's back. And there was a long rain delay. That
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: game ended, I don't know what time. I was asleep
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: by the time it ended. It feels to me the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: people you'd get out of crowd for a game like
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: that after that kind of rain delay on a Monday
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: night are probably ones that want to see their team
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: that live in a different place now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: But also, guys, the Rockies aren't good. This is what
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: happens when your team's not good. You have a smattering
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: of other people's fan bases that are there. So I'm
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: not as bothered by this as some people seem to be.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Like this isn't, you know, the Nuggets winning 58 games
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: in a season and then you get a whole bunch of,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Spurs fans that fill up the arena.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: This isn't the Avs when they play the Blackhawks and
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: the Avs are the number one team in the league.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: It's a bad baseball team. And that's what happens when
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: your team's bad. A lot of opposing fans come in
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: and kind of infiltrate.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: That was honestly the weirdest part about being at the
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Savannah Bananas game a few weeks ago. 95% of the
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: people in the stadium were rooting for the home team.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: When was the last time you saw that at Coors Field?
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: It was a sea of yellow. You could count on, like,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: one hand the amount of people that were rooting for
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the Indianapolis Clowns. I can't remember the last time I
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: saw that at Coors Field.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Are there actual Clowns fans out there? They exist?
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. I mean, you don't want to root
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: for the clowns? We're all clowns.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: You want to be a true rebel, you root for
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the Indianapolis clowns. Okay.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: I would root for the Salt Lake City party animals,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: the neon sleeveless jerseys.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I'd choose them over the bananas, if we're being honest.
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• 33:02
  Speaker 4: after this. All right, so news yesterday, Jonathan Cooper pled
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: not guilty to all charges. He will have a trial
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: by jury set for November 10th, 12th, and 13th. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest with you, I have no
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: idea how this.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Legal process goes. November is pretty late into the season.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: And the Broncos at that point in the calendar, that'll
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: be a game. They'll just wrap up with the Carolina
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Panthers game. And then they head into their bye week.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: So I don't know how this works. When you're on
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the commissioner's exempt list, are you exempt until trial starts?
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Or what?
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Because if that's the case, you're missing six, eight, nine
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: games just until the trial starts. You know, if you're
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: guilty of those charges, you know, one of these is
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: a felony. Now, again, I don't know all the inner
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: workings of what time frames and what punishments go into this,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: but I believe there's jail time tied to it. I
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: don't know how this goes, but if you're potentially losing
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Cooper for this amount of time, you almost got
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: to pretend like he's just not part of your roster
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: this year. So what George Payton said about it the
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: other day was, that they take the matter very seriously.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: And he said, we're going to monitor all legal developments
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: and continue to support Jonathan. What he said now, he
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: also said, we're going to wait on the league and
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: wait for this process to play out. But again, I
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: don't know what exactly that means. Are you waiting for,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: All the way, you know, nine weeks into the season
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: until this trial date starts. And then you get the
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: result of the trial. And then you kind of move
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: on from there. That's the confusing thing. And it's not
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: just the Broncos dealing with this. It's the Green Bay
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Packers with Josh Jacobs, too, has also been put on
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: the commissioner's exempt list.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Bottom line is, I think you just operate.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: as a football team under the assumption that he's just
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: not going to be here this year. You almost treat
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: it like it's somebody with a season ending injury. And
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: now it's down to Jonah Ellis and Q Robinson and
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: everybody else to sort of take over what's lost from that,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: which again, it was ever since this news came out,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: there are multiple factors in the Broncos season that could
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: lead to to I think this year being a bit
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: of a hiccup. And I don't know how big of
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: a hiccup it would be, but is missing the postseason
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: on the table? I think it's on the table, though
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: highly unlikely. But one thing that had my concern from
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the very jump was.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Your team is built around winning.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Really one central thing that you have been historically great
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: at over the last two years in this successful run
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to two straight playoff appearances. Their ability to attack and
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: get after the quarterback is second to none.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: It's their best trait. It's their superpower as a team.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Vance Joseph talked about this, I believe it was after
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: the second preseason game where He said, teams know that
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: we want to get into situations where we can let
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: guys rush the passer, and that's why on first down
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: they're playing a lot of quick game and outside runs
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that to pick up a more manageable
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: second down and have those guys not totally thinking, you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: seeing red going after the quarterback. But losing a guy
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: like Jonathan Cooper, it hurts a lot, and... It's going
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: to take guys like Jonah Ellis and Q Robinson to
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: really step up and blossom in larger roles. I mean, ideally,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: what you would hope for is with Zach Allen and
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Nick Benito playing on that same defensive front, they're going
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: to command so much attention that you get one-on-one battles
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: and then you win those one-on-one battles. But it is
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: something to monitor. This court date is going November 10th, 12th,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and 13th. So that's what you're looking at. By the way,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: speaking of what's going on in the NFL, it's just
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: something I was thinking about in talking about the Avs
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: and their cap table or the Nuggets and where they're
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: at from a cap perspective. When you have fully guaranteed
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: contracts in a sport, it's really hard.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Really hard. If you make a mistake.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Because there's no going back. When you make a mistake
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: with a fully guaranteed contract, you just got to eat it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: There's plenty of teams in baseball that have dealt with this.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: You know, Anthony Rendon contracts and Chris Bryant contracts and
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. But fully guaranteed deals just make it
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: impossible if you mess up.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: We need a full season of KB.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Especially on a big one. In football, you can have
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: ways to navigate that. It still becomes incredibly difficult. We
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: just talked about the Dolphins.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Dolphins have over half their cap space dedicated to people
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: who no longer play for them.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: The Broncos obviously dealt with being very hamstrung. by the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Russell Wilson contract but they were able to navigate that beautifully.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: I got a question.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: How the hell the Rams doing this?
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: The Rams have spared no expense for the last decade,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: starting with the trade. In what, 20, was it 2021 maybe?
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Where they traded Jared Goff for Matthew Stafford. And since then, it's.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Bleep them picks, not drafting anybody, going out and getting
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: proven talent, trading for Vaughn Millers, trading for Jalen Ramsey's,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: trading for Miles Garrett's, trading for Trent McDuffie's, trading for
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Devante Adams, trading for, they traded for everybody. And in
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: a sport where the season's about to start, you're making
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: some decisions based on cap space here when you cut
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: down to 53.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: They just find 20 million bucks to give Aaron Donald? How?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: How is that possible? You're telling me? That they just
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: had an.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Extra $ 20 million just to throw around after paying guys
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: like Miles Garrett and Matthew Stafford and everybody else in
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: that roster? How can they do that? And it's almost
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: more frustrating than the other sports with fully guaranteed deals
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: because I don't know what's real. But it's like the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: season's about to start. Everybody's spent basically the money they're
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: going to spend. And the Rams reach under a couch cushion.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: They find 20 million bucks to throw at a Hall
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: of Famer. Just part of me is like it doesn't.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make logical sense. Texture said going back to the.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Cooper discussion.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Is there going to be a point this season that
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: we regret not signing Vaughn? I don't think so.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Again, if I ask you guys this question, this is
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: how you have to view things, and I'm always very
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: careful when it comes to former players who are entrenched
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: in a franchise's history.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: You have to factor in bias.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: If Von Miller's name was not Von Miller, and it
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: was Steve Nelson, And the same caliber of player now
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: was maybe on the table for the Broncos. Would you
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: still want 37-year-old, who, yes, was still productive, had a
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: nine-sack season last year, but would you want a 37-year-old
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: as badly as some Broncos fans want Von Miller if
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: his name wasn't Von? And that's where I'm always careful
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: about that stuff. And I think the answer is probably not.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: You probably feel good about Jonah Ellis and Q Robinson,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the young guys on this roster.
• 42:52
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• 42:55
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