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Bachelor Rewind (Season 4 Ep 4-6) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley. I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's almost famous podcast. Ben and Bob back with
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  Speaker 2: you as we rewind back to Bob season of the bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: That's season four for anybody that's following along with us.
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  Speaker 2: You can watch along with us for free on Tubi, Bob,
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  Speaker 2: the man.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Ben.
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  Speaker 2: It's fun to be here with you.
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  Speaker 4: Always fun, buddy. Always fun when we get to hang out. And, um,
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  Speaker 4: especially fun when we get to rip on me a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, which I'm enjoying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's not a lot of ripping. I have like the
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  Speaker 2: first step, first, uh, breakdown. I came into it with
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  Speaker 2: like some things I wanted to bring out that, that
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  Speaker 2: would make fun of you and your, and your moment
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  Speaker 2: of vulnerability. I don't, I don't have much today. You're,
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of like really good at this.
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  Speaker 3: No, you know what? I will be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: It is, it is, uh, challenging.
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  Speaker 4: Because I don't remember watching my season. I remember back
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  Speaker 4: then was a big viewer party season, right?
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  Speaker 3: So they had just sort of rolled that out.
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  Speaker 4: So I remember being in Times Square with Andrew Firestone
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  Speaker 4: watching my premiere episode. And I remember being in all
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  Speaker 4: these different places. And so I was never really able
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  Speaker 4: to sit there and watch the show. I don't even
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  Speaker 4: know if I would have at the time.
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  Speaker 3: But now to look back on it and watch it,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, why– did I say that?
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  Speaker 4: Like, why am I, you know, or, um, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll be honest. I, I'm, I remember things much differently
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  Speaker 4: than the way that the, uh, that, that some of the,
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  Speaker 4: some of the things much differently than the way that
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  Speaker 4: they may have been presented in the show. And so
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  Speaker 4: my recollection of things are, you know, but at the
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  Speaker 4: same time I'm watching it and it's such a good
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  Speaker 4: feeling and nostalgia. You know, I mentioned, um, You know,
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  Speaker 4: seeing my mom in such a healthy state and my dad,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and my family and my nephew, Jack, who's
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  Speaker 4: now almost 30.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time he was, you know, five, six, seven.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild.
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  Speaker 4: He couldn't even, we, I mean, Jack at that point
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  Speaker 4: in his life, and we'll see this, we actually won't
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  Speaker 4: even see this until the next time we do our review.
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  Speaker 4: But he's featured in one of the episodes coming up.
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  Speaker 4: And we called it Jackanese because he had some problems
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  Speaker 4: with his ears at the time. And so his speech
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  Speaker 4: wasn't fully developed. And he would just have his own little,
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  Speaker 4: I somehow understood it. And so there was a lot
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  Speaker 4: of really sweet moments coming up that I'm excited to see.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember watching those.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, this series of episodes, the four, five, and six,
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  Speaker 4: I don't recall seeing these. And so watching them back
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  Speaker 4: this time brought back a lot of memories.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in four, five, and six, we get one-on-ones, we
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  Speaker 2: get friendship, and we also get hometowns. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: cover an overview of all of these. Hometowns is obviously
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  Speaker 2: one of those staple episodes that people look forward to
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  Speaker 2: every year. It really helps the viewer understand the contestants better,
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  Speaker 2: and then also I think it helps the lead. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to dive into what that was like. It was
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  Speaker 2: a big week for me. I felt like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of my big decisions were pretty much made during that week.
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  Speaker 2: Everything else to that point felt chaotic. And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited to talk to you about that. Yeah, as you
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  Speaker 2: watch this back, Bob, I'd love for you to elaborate
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  Speaker 2: a little bit on the emotion of seeing this. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just say it's your first time because you don't have
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  Speaker 2: recollection of watching these previously. Are you cringing? Are you celebrating?
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  Speaker 2: Are you laughing? Like how what are you experiencing as
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  Speaker 2: you watch this?
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  Speaker 4: You know, a combination of a lot of those, I
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  Speaker 4: think definitely some cringy moments for me. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: think what I'm seeing watching myself is like I'm seeing
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  Speaker 4: someone who is very comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And just sort of grim. But I'm saying stuff
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  Speaker 3: that had I known how it would be perceived 20
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  Speaker 3: years later, I would have never said, you know, like.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm like, well, I will holla at you later. Like,
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  Speaker 3: why am I saying stuff like that?
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  Speaker 4: Like just dumb stuff that, you know, I'm hearing come
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  Speaker 4: out of my mouth and I'm like, oh my God. And, but,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, you know, I'm, I'm remembering it very fondly
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  Speaker 4: and I, you know, loving seeing some of the moments, remembering,
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  Speaker 4: you know, things that happened in certain rose ceremonies that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you've heard these stories ad nauseum, but, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for example, even on the first rose ceremony night, how
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  Speaker 4: we have to memorize the names and shooting order They
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  Speaker 4: don't have an IFB or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: I remember I'm.
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  Speaker 4: A nervous wreck. I'm holding the rose. I need to
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  Speaker 4: look contemplative. I go to say someone's name and the
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  Speaker 4: head of the rose pops off. I'm like, will you
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  Speaker 4: accept this stem? I think it's hilarious, but.
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  Speaker 3: They won't use it.
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  Speaker 4: I have to reshoot it. Stuff like that that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: show up in any of these episodes. I think probably
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  Speaker 4: we're in some of the bloopers.
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  Speaker 3: You're right. Now we're at the.
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  Speaker 4: Point where it's hometowns it's, um, you know, the one-on-one dates.
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  Speaker 4: And in fact, in particular, I think the one-on-one date
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  Speaker 4: with Leanne, which is, you know, she was chosen as
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  Speaker 4: the least compatible with me. And up until this point,
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  Speaker 4: I hadn't heard anything that Leanne was having a problem
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  Speaker 4: with anybody or anything like that. And I, I, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, really, I really liked her. And, um, I
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  Speaker 4: remember She was going to be like my, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: why is everyone have a problem with Leanne? When I
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  Speaker 4: found out she was my least compatible, it almost made
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  Speaker 4: me like her more.
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  Speaker 3: It almost backfired. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know if it was because I
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  Speaker 4: was trying to give her more of a fair shake
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  Speaker 4: or just because of how I'm wired. I automatically felt
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  Speaker 4: sorry for her because I had to hurt her feelings
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  Speaker 4: to be, you know, thinking everyone, but I thought she
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  Speaker 4: wanted to be friends with everyone in the house and
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  Speaker 4: thinking all of a sudden that all these people she
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  Speaker 4: liked were Didn't think she had anything, you know, shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: even be there with me or whatever. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what I was thinking, but I do remember thinking like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I'm going to actually see how I
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  Speaker 4: feel about her. I'm not going to let anyone else's
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  Speaker 4: opinion sway how I feel. And, you know, it was
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  Speaker 4: a confusing time because I remember thinking like, what do
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  Speaker 4: they know that I don't?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: What are they seeing that I'm not seeing? Because keeping
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  Speaker 4: in mind, you know, at this point, I hadn't really
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  Speaker 4: even watched the show. The only season that had aired
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  Speaker 4: that I had seen was.
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  Speaker 3: Trista's.
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  Speaker 4: And so I wasn't really aware of the whole, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not here to make friends mantra and things of
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  Speaker 4: that nature yet. And so, um, it was kind of like,
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  Speaker 4: I was, I, in my mind, I was going through
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  Speaker 4: it fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, clearly I was, I was not, so
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It was, it was definitely, um, interesting
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  Speaker 4: to watch.
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  Speaker 2: The Leanne situation is interesting though. And I think you
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  Speaker 2: pointed on something I want to dig into a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: You said you kind of felt bad and you kind
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  Speaker 2: of want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Different than, you know, and I can only bounce this
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  Speaker 2: off of my experience, different for me, it would have
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  Speaker 2: made me very nervous because of the idea of what
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  Speaker 2: am I not seeing here? What is happening that I
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  Speaker 2: am not attuned to? Because there is so much that
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  Speaker 2: as the bachelor or the bachelorette, you don't see. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's always a point where viewers and me
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  Speaker 2: even today, I have to remember that unless you're in
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  Speaker 2: the room, nobody's telling you, oh, this is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: This is what's going on. But you took a different
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  Speaker 2: direction where you said, hey, I want to give you
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. I think that speaks to
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  Speaker 2: your massively large heart. No, thank you. But my argument
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  Speaker 2: would be, it's really hard to be the bachelor when
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  Speaker 2: you care that much. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I also had this weird pressure I put on myself.
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  Speaker 4: I do remember this pretty well. I I think we
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  Speaker 4: touched on this before when I was bringing up Shay,
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  Speaker 4: the firefighter, right? I had this weird pressure I put
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  Speaker 4: on myself that I was like, I don't want anyone
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  Speaker 4: to think that I'm not giving this all the consideration
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  Speaker 4: all the time, you know? And so in my mind,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, you know, well, I've got to make
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  Speaker 4: sure I give everybody the benefit of the doubt that's here,
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  Speaker 4: you know, or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was just putting this weird pressure on myself.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember I liked her.
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  Speaker 4: I was, I was really attracted to her. I thought
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  Speaker 4: she was super cute. I liked her accent. She would
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  Speaker 4: always talk like stuff that you don't see, like the
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  Speaker 4: narrative that you don't see, you know, was she, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, had reached out to me after the bachelorette. Um, apparently,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't remember how, but somehow it reached out
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  Speaker 4: to me to try and get in contact with me.
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  Speaker 4: And she had talked about that. She was, went on
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  Speaker 4: this houseboat trip and all this stuff. And she was
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  Speaker 4: very flirty, very flirty, but in a way that was
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  Speaker 4: like very, I don't know, it's just attractive to me.
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  Speaker 4: And so, um, I couldn't understand why, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: other women didn't like her. And so, you know, part of,
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  Speaker 4: part of me and I, and I do, I have
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  Speaker 4: seen this as a viewer too.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 4: Like in, in years, you know, since you watch it
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, doesn't he get it? Like, you know, they,
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  Speaker 4: they don't like her because she's not there for the
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  Speaker 4: right reasons.
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  Speaker 3: Or, or whatever. Meanwhile, you're just sitting there going, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. She's really cute. She's nice. We get along great.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: You know? So yeah, it was, it was a, conflicting
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  Speaker 4: time to watch that back and try to figure out
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  Speaker 4: where my head was at the time.
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  Speaker 2: You do mention that you put this pressure on yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I watch this season back and compare it to the
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  Speaker 2: 20 other so seasons that have been available. And I
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  Speaker 2: watch you and I do think you look comfortable. Was
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  Speaker 2: there ever a moment where or a time where you
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  Speaker 2: remember going, okay, I can do this. Like I'm, I don't,
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  Speaker 2: not saying you think, Hey, yeah, I deserve to date
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  Speaker 2: all these beautiful people. I deserve to be the bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: But was there ever a moment where you did feel like, Hey, no, I,
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  Speaker 2: I can, I can make this happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, several, if I'm being honest, like, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there were, there were points where I was just like,
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  Speaker 4: this is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I would, you know, my, my thought process
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  Speaker 4: was I would never necessarily have met, you know, like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, a little behind the curtain, but
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  Speaker 4: they never asked me, you know, what do you look
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  Speaker 4: for in a partner or what do you, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't like that went into the screening process of
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  Speaker 4: who showed up on the show, but I was tackling
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  Speaker 4: it more from a standpoint of, I would never have
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  Speaker 4: met these 30 women. In my life, in most circumstances.
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  Speaker 4: So what an awesome opportunity. Is my wife here?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I never felt like, I didn't have that thought
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  Speaker 4: process that my wife is here from day one, right?
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  Speaker 4: I have to marry someone. Like, that was not how
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  Speaker 4: I went into it. I went into it more from a,
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  Speaker 4: could I find love on this show? Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe. just like I could find love at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 4: Just like I could find love driving down the street
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  Speaker 4: at a stoplight. I was thinking more like that as
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  Speaker 4: opposed to thinking of it as my wife has.
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  Speaker 3: To be in this room.
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  Speaker 4: Because I didn't think these producers really, even though I
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  Speaker 4: had spent a ton of time with them on the
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  Speaker 4: Trista season, I didn't think that they really had even
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  Speaker 4: asked me yet what I like in a woman or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that was because I had been married previously. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: that was because I was trying to approach it with
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  Speaker 4: a really open mind. But also, I was nervous, right?
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  Speaker 4: Because my thing was, I didn't want to be Ross
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  Speaker 4: from Friends, right? And just be the guy that gets
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  Speaker 4: engaged 100 times.
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  Speaker 3: But it was one of those things.
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  Speaker 4: And I also didn't, the more I got to know
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  Speaker 4: these women too, the more I was like, and in
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  Speaker 4: this kind of, I think probably is why you and
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  Speaker 4: I connect so well, Ben, because I was also uncertain
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  Speaker 4: if I was worthy of love at that point in
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  Speaker 4: my life. And one of the things that you, I
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  Speaker 4: remember you said pretty famously in your time on the show,
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  Speaker 4: and I really related to you on that. And I
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  Speaker 4: loved you for it because it's a hard thing to
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  Speaker 4: say out loud without looking like you're wanting people to
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  Speaker 4: tell you how worthy of love you are, right? Like
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  Speaker 4: that's what some people would think by saying that you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this person wants us to tell them how, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't that at all. It wasn't that way for you.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't that way for me. I was more
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  Speaker 4: sitting there thinking, am I going to ruin this person's
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  Speaker 4: first time ever being engaged and be that guy, you know?
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  Speaker 4: And so I, all these weird pressures that you put
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  Speaker 4: on yourself that people don't think about, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm thought of as the fun party guy from the bachelor,
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  Speaker 4: but truth be told, I was going through all that
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  Speaker 4: stuff too. I just wasn't expressing it in the same
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  Speaker 4: way that everyone else or, or not everyone else. Some
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  Speaker 4: people after me have done much more eloquently than I
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  Speaker 4: was at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I was sort of.
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  Speaker 4: Like almost treating it more casually to the viewer. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: I was just tormented inside, you know?
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  Speaker 2: It speaks a lot, and I think this is something
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  Speaker 2: that I don't know if I've ever even dove into
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  Speaker 2: this because I don't think most people probably care. But
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  Speaker 2: it is one of the things when people ask, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: go back on your time on The Bachelor. What are
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  Speaker 2: you most proud of? And one of the things I'm
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  Speaker 2: most proud of is in this really goofy, and trust me,
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  Speaker 2: the show has been nothing but great to me. It
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  Speaker 2: was a blessed time in my life, and it has
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  Speaker 2: continued to shape who I am today. And even for you,
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  Speaker 2: I think you would say there's many moments where the
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  Speaker 2: bachelor still has this effect on daily outcomes for you
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  Speaker 2: and opportunities that are available and those things. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: proud of myself as a 26 year old dude that said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this really goofy thing. I don't know if my wife
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  Speaker 2: is here. I'm not dating in public and normal life.
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  Speaker 2: So I might as well give this a shot. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to, even as ridiculous as this is, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to give it everything I have and take it
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  Speaker 2: as seriously as I can because that's a value that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if I'm going to spend six months doing something,
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  Speaker 2: three months or whatever it is, I want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that I give it everything I got with intentionality. Which,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, that might be everybody's story.
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  Speaker 3: It might be.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But for me, that did put a
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  Speaker 2: different pressure on it because I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: show cultivates this like desire to be intentional as much
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  Speaker 2: as it does. Like, Hey, let's see what storylines come
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  Speaker 2: out of it. Let's see what drama can unfold.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't want to look back and I, and
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  Speaker 2: it's one of the only good decisions I guess I
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  Speaker 2: made at 26. I didn't want to look back at
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  Speaker 2: 37 and say, goodness, that was, I just, I wasted
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  Speaker 2: that or I destroyed that moment in my life. I
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  Speaker 2: it's too precious. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's definitely a, No matter how people remember it
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  Speaker 4: in years past, even if you were going home on
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  Speaker 4: the first night or you were someone who stayed all
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  Speaker 4: the way to the end or whatever it might be,
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  Speaker 4: it's still a really unique and fun and memorable experience
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  Speaker 4: that the majority of the people out there won't have, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it is something that's so unique and so different.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know. I was so conflicted. I
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  Speaker 3: remember being jaded about the idea. You know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Remember thinking, you know, like before I went into it,
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  Speaker 4: like almost downplaying it. And then, you know, at this
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  Speaker 4: stage where I'm at now, we're watching the show and
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to, in the first episode, these solo dates
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  Speaker 4: and things like that, where I'm getting to hear, you know,
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  Speaker 4: things about these women that I didn't know previously. And
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  Speaker 4: then it transitions into the hometown dates and I'm meeting
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: their families and Man, it is, I remember the way
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: I felt after these hometown dates and I felt, I
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: didn't feel deserving of the fact that these women were
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: welcoming me into their homes. And I also hadn't, I
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: wasn't on the hometown date experience with Trista. So I
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: didn't yet know how high the stakes were going to
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: go when they came to see my family.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then when I look back on it now.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: And I realize, you know, what a nerve wracking experience
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: they had to be for the grandmas and the moms and,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: and here I am rolling in and the dads have
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: got to be a little suspect.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: And, you know, but just watching it, I'm like, oh
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: my God, I do remember that, how fun that was. And,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I remember Kelly Jo's family just being crazy fun.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: And I, I was like, this is unbelievable, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: and then Mary's family, you know, and everyone's speaking Spanish
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: at the table and, I'm comprehending a lot of what
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: they're saying, but I'm also feeling just like a fish
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: out of water because I want to be respectful and
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I want to let them know that I'm a good
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: guy and that I'm not going to hurt their daughter intentionally. Meredith,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: we go to her hometown date and the first thing
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: we do is the one thing I did not feel
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: was appropriate for me to be doing, which was go
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: to the gravesite of her grandmother and And I'm just like,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: what is going on? You know, I remember being really
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: conflicted about that because I just didn't want to ruin
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: that for her and her memory if I wasn't the
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: guy for her.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just a lot.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I'm probably overthinking everything in my head, you know, honestly. Estella,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: you know, her father passed away recently. I mean, her mom,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: very sweet relationship between her and her mom. And it
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: was just like, I had like imposter syndrome, you.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Know, like, Am I even the right guy to be here?
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Am I wasting these people's moments? I don't know. You
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: beat yourself up over it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: You beat yourself up during it. I think looking back now,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: because I beat myself up over it for years. I
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: remember Amanda Stanton. I went to her hometown and I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: was so into Amanda Stanton. She was a beautiful person,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: a beautiful soul, a mother of two. I at that
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: point did not know what the outcome of this show
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: is going to be. But I remember knowing enough to say,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to necessarily meet her kids. I feel
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: like that's a really weird position for her to be in,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: for the kids to be in, for me to be in,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: not knowing if this is going to be the person
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: at the end with me. And I beat myself up.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And then you look back now and I think this
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: is one of the only conversations my wife and I've
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: ever had about the show. But I remember Jess and
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I talking about it and I said, OK, but the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: cool part is you look back 10 years later and
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: everybody's doing just fine. Like, you know, they all came
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: out of this OK. This was it felt like the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: biggest deal to me then. But their lives, I think
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I was taking too much credit for the impact I
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: might have or might not have.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Such a great way to put it. You're so eloquent
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: with that stuff.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I just talked through it with my wife.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I think about it too.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Like I think, and I hope it doesn't make me
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: come off like someone who's so narcissistic and self-absorbed, but
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: it was like at.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: That time, I'm like, I don't want to ruin their lives.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think I have the power to do that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Right. And so now in retrospect, and you know, I
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: love taking the piss out of the show and especially
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: out of myself, but like looking back on it and
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: watching myself, I'm like, what am I doing?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just, I find it laughable.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, granted, it's, you know, for me, 22 years
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: ago is when this was filmed and I'm watching it
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: unfold and I'm just like, wow. But I, then I
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: also hear myself saying some stuff I still say, okay,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: my game has not changed much.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Has Canyon watched this with you, your current wife?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: She has no interest. She has no interest.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, you know, her mom was
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: a big fan of, of the show and of my
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: season in particular. And I don't know if, And her
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: mom claims that they watched some of the show together
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: back then, but Canyon staunchly denies it. And I, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I think that now it's like, I think there's almost
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: like plausible deniability for her. Like she doesn't want to
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: necessarily watch the show because then she's have to admit
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: that maybe she did see it and maybe you know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: What I mean or she was into you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly but no it's like it's funny because we
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: can't even you know I remember something popping up about
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the show one time and it showed me kissing people
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: and both of our boys were like what what is.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: That who are those women you're kissing?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Is that mommy? So, you know, maybe there's a little
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: bit of that in there too.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I wondered, cause my wife would never, she has zero
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: interest and it would not be good obviously or healthy
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: because there would be things I would say back then
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: that I've probably said to her and she'd be like, Oh,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that's cool.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That's cool. Bob, we're going to get into some of
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the highlights of these three episodes, but there is a
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: storyline that I think somehow, I think it's folklore, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you tell me if it's not. Coming off of your season,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I think Bob Guinea was known for a bit as
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the guy who was the most promiscuous with the contestants
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: out of any Bachelor. That was even said to me
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: while I started my journey because I was really nervous.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I remember on night one, I was like, I don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: know if I want to kiss anybody, guys. Like, that
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: feels like it could get weird. And I have never
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: kissed more than one person in a night, let alone
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: maybe five or six, depending on how the night goes. So, like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: let's just slow roll this a little bit. And they said, oh,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you could never– do what Bob Guinea did. And I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: want to know, is this true? Where did it come from?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Why was it said? Like, why are you known as
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the guy who was the promiscuous bachelor?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Well, they were calling me the kissing bandit. So I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: know that to be true.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: But if you watch like in the first episode, like
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Kelly Jo was like, we're just going to get this
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: out of the way and leans in and kisses me.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I was just sort of, I'm an affectionate guy in general,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: but I think also the fact that it was kind
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: of one of those, one of those nights where, or
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: not nights, but one of those circumstances where I was
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the first time they actually knew who the bachelor was. Right.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: And so they had already watched me and, and, and either, well,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: it must've decided that they liked me or they wouldn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: have probably been there if they were knowing it was me.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: But I think that might've led to some more comfortability
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: about that kind of stuff. But I mean, at the
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: same time, you know, the show was different then too.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, they were, they were kind of really, uh,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Like coaching from what I found out later, you know, like, Hey,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: you know, Bob's an affectionate guy. So if you want
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: to kiss him, kiss him, you know, he's good with that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: And so, I mean, cause I remember thinking like, Oh
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: my God, the one girl's right here and saying, Hey,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: can I steal you for a second? And the other
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: one's leaning in to kiss me with the girls right here.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, uh, And I remember being like confused, like
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: what I was supposed to do, but then it just
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: became so natural, you know? And, and then, yeah, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: like with so many things, like so many functions of
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: the show that were very deliberate then.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: That don't even factor in today. Right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Like the deliberation room was one, all the women doing
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: a video where they're like, you know, I'm falling in
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: love with you. And I'm like, Oh my God, it
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: just like raised the stakes. You know, when I would
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: give the woman a rose, every one of them, I,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I was encouraged to give them a kiss or whatever.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Or maybe I wasn't and maybe they just did and
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But yeah, I was definitely pretty kissy.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I know the other stuff that Fleiss said at one
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: time in the interview when I was watching a show
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: with my grandma, which was horribly embarrassing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: All I can say is I only had the best
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: intentions and ultimately trying to figure out if I was
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: going to have a relationship after this show and what
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: that looked like and how it was going to go
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff was, um, was confusing.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: And it did feel like the stakes were really, really high.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, I can't speak to, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I always thought it was probably Nick Vial or however
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you say his name.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: That guy seemed to be, uh, you know, he seemed
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: to be scandalous, uh, you know, on that, on that
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: show way more so compared to me, I thought, but, um,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I was very much a season. Yeah. Yeah. I was
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: a kissing bandit. There's no question about that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And, um, you know, and, but it did actually really
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: did help me realize where I felt more chemistry, um,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: you know, from that kind of thing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Uh, and, um, it really informed my choices. That's for sure.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: So I think from that perspective, you know, that, that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: was what it was.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. I remember my time in they would have
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: loved for me to kiss as many people as possible.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: And I didn't like hold back, especially after a few weeks,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like these, you get so close to these people that
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you're like, Oh, it's kind of awkward if we don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: get more awkward, I guess. But I did have one
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: rule where I would never kiss somebody else. If I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: could try in front of any of the other women.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: That's a good rule.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I would have, it wasn't easy to pull off.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I wish I would have had that rule. I think
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: because it is awkward to watch myself. It didn't feel
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: awkward then.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: It didn't feel awkward. Like, all right, well, I'm going
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to go talk with Debbie smooch.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like we were making out, but
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: it was still like a more than a peck on
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: the cheek, you know? And so I'm like watching it going,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: what the hell are you doing? I mean, I, I
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: do understand it watching it back now years later, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: at the time it felt natural and okay.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You know, that's fair.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: No, and that's what we're doing this for is because
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it's fun to look back and say, somehow that felt normal.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: It felt normal. Like it was the way it was
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: supposed to be. Do you have any reaction to watching
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you kiss on, on TV?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I hate it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, God, I hate the sound of my voice.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I hate the way I look. I hate the way
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I sound. I hate the way I know everything. Like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, why the, what again, 22 years ago, why
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: am I wearing a three button zoot suit? It looks
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: like a zoot suit to me, you know?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, Cary Fetman came along after me, but he
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: came along kind of at the tail end of my
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: season or midway through my season. And I remember he, no,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: maybe he was at the beginning of my season, but
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: I remember the suits and stuff like that came from
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: this particular.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Suit maker. I can't even think of the name right now.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: They're not around anymore.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Well, he was on episode one.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That guy was, yeah. And, but I remember, you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Cary was so great. He was like, you know, we
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: need to tailor these, we need to fix, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: we need to fix these suits. So, you know, people
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: need to see, you know, what you're in good shape
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: or whatever.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, thanks, Carrie.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And, um, but I remember even now still looking
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: at those suits going, I would never wear a suit
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: like that now, you know, but again, it's the timing
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: and it is what it is, I guess, but.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: It was the fashion of the day.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You're looking good. I think you're, I think you're, you're
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: looking great during this. It is always funny though, to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: watch like these kissing scenes, knowing that, um, Just as
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the biology of a male, when you're making out with
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: somebody in a pool, these people are beautiful, and there's
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: 20 cameras around you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Those throwback moments for me of how comfortable you can get.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I forgot they were there. I forgot the cameras were there. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I feel terrible for them. I mean, the sound people
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and the video people doing close-ups of us and having
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to hear it all. How do they not cringe? I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: do want to highlight a few things. The Leanne one
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: on the Leanne cocktail party conversation. This is coming off
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of obviously her being voted the least compatible with you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: and then getting the date. The date seemed fine, seemed great.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And she does in the edit, at least seem to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: give you an ultimatum. For me, I watched that and say,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: how did Bob keep her around? Now I get the whole,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: you didn't know what else was going on in the
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: house and you know, that you kind of want to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: give her the benefit of the doubt, but that in,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in itself, because these relationships are so fragile, they're so
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: at the, I'm going to use the word week because
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you don't have a lot of time with anybody. And
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: for me, the hardest part was figuring out who I
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: was going to say goodbye to and not making those
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: big mistakes that as soon as I saw like, okay,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: this points me in the direction of this isn't going
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to work out. This doesn't seem like somebody that I
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: want as my spouse. They were gone.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: But for you, you had this like conversation that felt
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: very much on the line of this probably isn't going
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to be the best relationship I ever have. And you said, no,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I want to keep her around.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, you know, I don't, that's a, one of
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the things I said at the top of our interview
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: here was I remember things much differently.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, like, I'm not an ultimatum guy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Like if someone gives me an ultimatum, I'll be like, well,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: you know what, then fare thee well, my friend, it's
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: not going to work out, you know? And I, So
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: in watching it back, I was like, God, I don't
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: remember that. I don't remember her issuing me any type
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: of ultimatum. The way I remembered it, because I had
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: to kind of, I hate to say this, but I
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: had to kind of like really grind on it to
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: try and see how I remembered it. But I thought
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: that my recollection was that we had this great time
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: on that one-on-one date and everything. But that I thought
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I remembered her saying, if you can't see me being
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: someone you would want to keep around, then I understand that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: But I see myself as that person with you.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: And so it wasn't like she was saying, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: if I don't get, you know, I'm not going to
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: be here or whatever. Never did I get that indication
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: from her that she was even thinking about leaving the show.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: which I think, you know, up until that point that
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: had never happened on the show, but they, they did.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I remember watching it back thinking the other night, like, um,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I did feel like they kept trying to push that narrative.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Well, if it's not right for you, you should go home.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Right. Like they wanted someone to leave, I think, you know, and,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: and I think in subsequent seasons after this, people did start,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I'm going to remove myself from the fray, right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Or whatever.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Um, Uh, but, and that would have crushed me had
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: that happened, you know, but it didn't thankfully. Um, but
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I remember thinking to myself, like she wanted me to
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: be as serious about her as she felt she was
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: about me, not you give me a rose or, you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I'm going to leave, you know, or whatever. And so, um,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of interesting. Um, you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: because I, I do remember it being more of a.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Sweet thing.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: That she was saying to me, which was kind of like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: you know, I want to be here in the end
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: and I see myself with you. And if you don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: see that, then I get it. Then don't give me
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: a rose. I understand, you know, or whatever. That's kind
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: of how I saw it, not as an ultimatum. And,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: but I do remember in watching it back, you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: from the other night, I do remember thinking, God, I
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: feel like Chris keeps saying, you know, and everyone's like, If.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: You don't feel like you need a rose, you can
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: reject it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: You know, it was almost like, so there must've been
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: some type of, well, if he's going to keep making
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: out with these girls, I'm out of here or something.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Something, or it was a narrative they were cultivating.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, but you know, at the
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: end of the day, I mean, obviously it worked out
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: the way that it did, but yeah, I never felt
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: that I got an ultimatum from her. So that was
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: kind of an interesting, when I was watching it back,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if that was a little magical editing or
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: if that, if that was.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Really, you know, what it was said. And I just
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: don't remember it the same way.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had multiple women leave during the season, which
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: really threw me off.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have thrown me for sure. How did
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: you handle it?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of, I needed a lot. I think it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: funny because you said, I don't know if it was
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: playing into the storyline, if I wasn't deserving of love,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: but I needed a lot of reinforcement from the producers
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: of like, hey, some of these girls actually like me, right?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Because if this is how it's going to go down,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to like, this is going to be very embarrassing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to leave this thing like absolutely shook. And
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: some of it was for the right, like it was
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: very clear that they needed to go. This wasn't the
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: right environment for them. It wasn't fun for them. Others
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of them I was shocked by and it did throw
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: me for a loop and it made me question everything of, well,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that's cool. They came here knowing I was going to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: be the bachelor. They meet me. The more they got
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to know me, they're like, yeah, that's not the guy.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's not for me. Yeah, no, and I get that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, when you're talking about the hometown
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: dates too, sort of the opposite side of the coin there,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: my biggest fear, I wouldn't say fear, my biggest concern
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: was that any of these family members would think I
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: didn't give their daughter a rose because I met them, right?
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh God, I can't see myself
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: with these people. And so I was.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Almost, I remember that being a really big problem for
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: me because I was like, well, how else are they
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: going to see it? Up until now, their daughter's been
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: perfectly fine.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Now I'm like, oh, I met the dad. Screw this guy.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: That's the opposite feeling for me. I loved these families.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Absolutely loved them. I remember after leaving, in particular, after
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: leaving Meredith's house, I remember thinking, wow, what an amazing
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: family to have just gone through loss like this. And
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: here they are opening their home to me, being so kind,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: so sweet, you know, Yeah, it was interesting.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I look back on it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Now, and I don't even know how I'm supposed to
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: feel about it. But I remember thinking that was a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: big concern for me. I didn't want these families to
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: think that, you know?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: We mentioned it earlier. Hometowns are such a crucial week
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: for the lead. And I want to lean into that
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit to give everyone a glimpse of what
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: actually that means. But we're going to kind of skip
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: over episode five. Episode five is great for what it was.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: We get a one-on-one date with Estella. We get a
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: one-on-one date with Kelly Jo, where Kelly Jo... It does
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: open up about her late father, but really the thing
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in Episode 5, and people need to go back and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: watch these. Again, you can watch it and follow along
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: with us on Tubi for free, and it is an
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: enjoyable ride. It's a great experience, especially as no other
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Bachelor stuff is airing right now. But I noticed during this, Bob,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: really episode five is when it hit me. You were
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: traveling a lot, not internationally, but you're traveling a lot
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: outside of Los Angeles. It feels like you're always jumping
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: on a plane or a helicopter, just some mode of
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: transportation to take you outside of the LA area. Do you,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: was that different back then? Do you remember that? I
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: didn't do that while we were in LA.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I flew private everywhere then with the shell.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Like we would we were constantly on a jet and
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: it was like, Oh my gosh, what a cool experience,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: And it was so neat.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: And, um, I do remember, I remember particularly the Vegas
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: date with, uh, with Estella and you and I have
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: actually talked about this before, but I remember being in
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Vegas and it was the first time she had kind
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: of cracked a little, like she had shown herself to
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: be vulnerable to the situation a little bit. And, um,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: and I remember that really, uh, affected me because up
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: until that point she had been just fun and funny.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: And always these, you know, it's this one liners, like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you know, she'd respond to me in such a way.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: And it was like, Oh my God, this chick's awesome.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And then this happened and I was like, Oh my God,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: she's a human being. Like she is experiencing these feelings.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: We get on the jet and we fly back, which
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: sounds pretentious as hell.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I know. Uh, we land at like five 30 in
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: the morning. No, I'm sorry.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: We landed like four 30 in the morning and they
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: tell me as we land and Estella, you know, I'm like,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: goodbye Estella. She goes, when they take her back to
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: be with the other ladies and they're like, okay, Bob,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: we're going to get back to the house. We need
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: to change clothes real quickly. We're going to do, you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: in the moment or ITM, whatever they're called at the time.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: And then we're going to get you to change again.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: And we're going to head out to a hot air
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: balloon ride date.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, what?
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Like I have not slept, you know? And they're like, yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: And so I, I remember going back to the house. They,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: you know, put an outfit on me. I do my
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: recap of the night with Estella. And then they're like, okay,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: change again. And now I'm like, all right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And they're like, all right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: In an hour, we're going to be hot air balloon
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: riding with Debbie, Brenda and Rhonda or whoever it is.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I can't remember from the date.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: And I remember thinking to myself, like, you've got to
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: be kidding me, you know? And so right away, you know, we,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: we roll into this next date and I spend the
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: whole day out there doing that. And then that night
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: is a rose ceremony.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Goodness, dude.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: And, and, I was like, they're trying to crack.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Me, you know, because you know how it is like
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: you sleep deprivation and you trust them.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: But you also are kind of like they are trying
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: to mess with me.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, yeah, I'm sure there are rules
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: in place now that would not allow that kind of
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: thing to transpire.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: They did it with me. Not that aggressively. I got
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: two hours of sleep, two nights in a row.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I remember.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So I did like get tucked in and sleep and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: then wake up and have to do it again. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I got nap time during the day at some point,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: like on a long drive.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: But it's just, you know, with today they get around
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it because they have a different crew.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: They have a different person sitting, you know, somewhere else.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And so they can, they a hundred percent can still
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: do that. I've never heard of going at it till
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: four 30 in the morning, starting back up again and,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: going all day and then a rose ceremony. I remember
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: having like, Hey, okay, we have a two hour drive,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: feel free to sleep. And at the same time, then
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I have some junior producer in my ear being like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: so do you, what sports teams do you like? I'm like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: please like, stop talking to me. Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know. It's so interesting.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like, I remember it being different crews too. Like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, so that's probably how they were able to
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: do it, but I also, you know, It's interesting because you,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: you know, you get to that point where you're like
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: sort of on autopilot, you know, it's like, uh, you
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: go through the, the, the ITM interview to recap the
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: date and you're, you know, but that's also probably why
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: back then, especially the word amazing was utilized so much, right.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: That, It was just like this constant, you know, the.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Journey, amazing, because you're rehashing things on about an hour's
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: worth of sleep and rolling into the next thing, and
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: you're like, you're saying the same things, you know, and
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: you don't even realize you're saying them because you're so fatigued. But, yeah,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I remember that. I remember that date turnaround was pretty aggressive.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: It's funny the things that stand out now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And obviously we survived them all. In the last few
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: minutes we have here, Bob, I do want to talk
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: about Hometowns. Some of the things that stood out to
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you and that you remember most and then that made
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: your heart all warm as you watched it back. Hometowns
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: was a huge week for me. I remember going into it,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: having four incredible people excited to meet all four families.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And the dynamics of the families really shaped the way
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I made decisions moving forward.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I think when you mentioned just the fact that you're
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: walking into the house and there's a dad there. Goodness.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Now that I look at that, I'm like, how did
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that dad ever let this bozo who's dating multiple people
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: come into his home and sit down? I would have
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: never let it. It actually changes the way I look
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: at Jojo's hometown, which I think is memorable for my
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: season because it was so the brothers are so against me.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: And the mom was just so happy that I was there.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: It's a very weird, like balance going on. And now I,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: at the time I was super offended. Like, how can
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you be so against me as a person? And now
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I look back on them, like, no, they actually probably
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: were spot on. Like, I understand why they said the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: things they said, because it was weird. Again, it all
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: works out in the end, just as God intended. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: it does change my perspective on it quite a bit.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So as we look back on your hometowns, what memories
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: do you have? What things now, as you look back,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: your perspective has changed? And, and maybe did this, um,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: did hometowns change the way you made decisions moving forward?
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: They did. Um, I think, you know, uh, like top,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: top of the top of mind, you know, I remember, uh,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I remember realizing how, um, you know, a couple of things,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: and they do seem to come through in the narrative
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: of the episode as well, but Kelly Jo, it really
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: galvanized my, my relationship with her. Um, just really loving
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: her family and loving how fun they, I mean, first
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: of all, I loved all the families, but her family
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: was super fun and they were just like, you know, very,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: you know, I loved how they spoke about her father
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: and how, um, you know, he had passed away and how, um,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: just how fun and loving he was. And they're like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, he would have loved you. This, he
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: would have loved this whole experience. You know, he just
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: had this big personality apparently. And, and then, um, you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: with Mary, uh, realizing, uh, really from just her strong
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: sense of family and how wonderful they all were, but
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: also where she was at.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: She was a little older than I was.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: And she, where she was at from a maturity perspective
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: and what she was looking at as like her five-year plan, right.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: And how our plans may be really different.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: But I loved how serious she was, how, how committed
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: she was to staying in this. And, you know, I
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: remember too, it was really difficult for me because I
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: remember being put on the spot on every single one
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: of those hometown dates and being told I could not
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: tell them, you know, how I felt about their daughter.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: And so they're like, look, you know, they're going to
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: ask you straight up, you know, how do you feel
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: about Mary?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about Estella? How do you feel
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: about Meredith?
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: You can tell them, but you can't say no. I'm
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: in love with her. You can't say I'm feeling this.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: You can't say, you know, and so you had to
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: be so aloof.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And I remember.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Thinking like how unnatural that was to not answer the
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: question asked. Wait.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: And then add in, I'm sure they did this with you.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Like you can't explain the question asked, but then you
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: have to ask for like their blessing to marry their daughter. Like, yeah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you how I feel, but you give
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: me the blessing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: In the event that I do feel like proposing, you're
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: cool with that, right?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: They didn't push me on that one as much.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I think I was, I was probably like, Um, I
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: was probably a little resistant to that at the time, uh,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: as I remember.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: And I look back on it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I remember feeling like, you know, I'm not going to
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: propose just cause you guys want me to, if I
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: don't feel it, I'm not doing it, you know, or whatever.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I remember like, I was just really defensive on that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Um, and it's okay.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I'm, I'm glad that I was, you know, um, but
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I also remember on Meredith's date, I remember feeling like, okay,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Meredith needs time with her family.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: They need to heal. And this is, you know, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I also.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Was really worried that maybe I was, um, making decisions
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: because we went through this grief moment together.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And it was like, is this real? I don't know.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Um, and then Estella, you know, meeting her, her mother
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: who was just lovely and seeing Estella just how caring
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: she was for her mom. Cause her father had also
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: passed and, you know, yeah, I got to know these
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: women a whole lot better and a whole lot differently
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: at that point in the game. And it really ratcheted up, um,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: the level, the feelings, but also the level of what
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I felt I needed to bring to the table. Like
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: up until that point, I was the fun and games guy. Now,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden it's like, I need to be
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: serious here. I need to figure some, some stuff out
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: and I don't want to hurt people. And I've been
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: saying that the whole time, but now I'm, I'm gonna,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: someone's going to get hurt. And it's, it's, it could
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: very well be me, but I've got to figure out
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: how to navigate this and be, and be sincere about
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: it and intentional about where I'm coming from and how
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I'm handling this.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Because I really do hate hurting people.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: And now I've realized I'm going to be, there's no
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: way to avoid it, you know? And, um, and that
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: part sucks, right? Cause you just can't, I don't even
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: know how I slept at that point because I remember
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: laying in bed and I go, what am I doing? Like,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, you know, am I, am I leading
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: these people on because I'm not giving them an answer?
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Cause I'm not allowed to cause the damn show. And,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: you know, um, I think that it changed over the years, right?
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Like after, you know, now you'll watch a show on,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I love you.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I love you. I was like, I couldn't even say
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: that back then, you know?
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: And, you know, but at the time I remember thinking
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: to myself, like, it made me confused, really confused about
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: where I felt I was at in the whole process too.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Like, did I need to do a little more soul searching?
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe, maybe not that it would be the
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: most boring episode ever, but maybe it would have been
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: a good idea to give.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Me a day, you know, and just let me really
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: grind on my feelings.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Because at that point I was sort of just going
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: through the motions and trying to, you know, navigate it
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: as best I could.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: It's hard too, because you're getting questions asked to you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: by producers and ITMs. Like, how much do you love
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: this person? How much do you like this person? And
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you're trying to navigate it and balance it mentally where
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, I don't want to say too much.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: But I also don't want to say too little so
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that it looks like I'm apathetic towards this situation.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: So true.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: And then it's happening. All day long. And so you
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: kind of lose track of what you've said before. You're like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know today. I feel this way. Like right now,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I did think hometowns was the one. It was an
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: enjoyable experience for me because I remember for I'm such
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: a homebody and I love my family so much. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: remember being around family and feeling like that warmth of, OK,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: this is the home. There's at least somewhat of a
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: good home cooked meal. We're all hanging out on the couch.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: This feels good to me. And then also looking around saying,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: when I break up with this person, this is going
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to be the first people they call. And so then
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: they're going to like probably be upset with me and
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: that's okay. They're going to be upset with me immediately.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: And so we're having fun now, but give it a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: week and they are going to be cursing my name.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember feeling that way too.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I was like, Oh God, But, you know, and you
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: also find yourself looking for the familiarity of what you
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: have with your own family.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: So that was one of those things too.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Like I was watching the interaction with the women and
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: their family and being like, okay. You know, like I
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: think Kelly Jo and her family, I probably related the
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: most to that dynamic. Just like this fun, loud, messing
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: with each other, you know, situation. And then I really,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: you know, I really navigated to the kindness side. that
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Estella showed her mother and, and the, and how gentle
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: she was with her mom and how caring. And so I,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, and it's, it's interesting, you know, as we
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: go through this, you know, to, to get where we,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: where we get on this whole thing, but also, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I was just blown away by, you know, the kindness of,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: of Mary's family and how they welcomed me in, even
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: though there was a language barrier and, you know, there
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: was that. And then, And then same with Meredith's family.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, they go through this family
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: trauma while this big, huge things happening in her life.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: And then they opened their doors to me and are
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: kind and sweet. And it wasn't even about that. We hardly,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: they didn't want to talk about it. They're like, you know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: it happens.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Life happens. I'm like, wow, they're so resilient, you know?
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: So you, you know, it was interesting to go through
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: that and look back on it, you know, with different lens.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: For me, I had this incredible Amanda Stans family. They're,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: beautiful and wonderful. And the two kids running around, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: had Lauren Bushnell's family, who is wildly successful and had
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: this beautifully big home in Oregon. And it was nothing
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: but spectacular. The family was close. The dad is super successful.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Then I went to Kayla Quinn's, whose dad's the CEO
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: of like the third largest toy maker in the country.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And then I went to Jojo's home in Dallas. That
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: is literally a castle. And both brothers are successful entrepreneurs.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: The dad is a gastroenterologist, I think, and one of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the most well-respected in all of Dallas. I was like, oh,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and then they said, what do you do? And I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: was like, well, currently, I don't know if I have
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: a job. But before, I'm making minimum wage selling a
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: software that probably won't exist in five years, and I
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: have no great outlook. But yes, you should definitely say, okay,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: blessings on you.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Are you hiring? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So if I do this thing, do you think there's
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a job opportunity?
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be a get a ring and a job.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Bob, any last thoughts here on the breakdown of episodes four, five,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and six of your time as The Bachelor?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I don't think I was able to
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: fully watch these episodes when I was going through it
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: or if I, if I was able to, um, I
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: was watching it with a lot of distractions because I,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously watching it now.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I'm, I'm, I'm able to like really focus on it.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: And a lot of things, um, I remember differently than
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: how I'm seeing them play out. Um, but I, I
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: will say, you know, it's, um, knowing obviously how the
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: next three episodes are for me um from my personal
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: experience i mean not how we're going to see them
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: on tv but i do think that um it's humbling
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: you know it's it's really humbling to watch these um
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: remembering how I think I felt so comfortable in.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: That role and how I thought, Oh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Going to be honest and I'm going to be caring
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to, you know, and I'm watching it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: And I think I am all of those things, but,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: you know, I can see why some people would interpret
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: it differently. And I can definitely see some things I
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: could have done better. Some things I could have, certainly
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: handle myself in a different way. And I probably would
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: have today. But you know, I remember the one of
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: the main things that was a big part of me
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: doing the show, because I didn't want to be the
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: bachelor when they first asked me and I was like, No,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I'm good.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm the lovable loser from Trista season. This
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: is great, you know.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: And then I finally, you know, decided to do it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: But the biggest thing was I never, because my father
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: was such a pillar in our community. And where I
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: grew up and my mom, you know, and I never
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: wanted them to be embarrassed by my actions, you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: and I never wanted them to, you know, because my
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: dad's name was Bob Guinea too.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: And so, you know, for me, I just didn't want
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: that name to carry.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden a bad, you know, a bad
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: connotation or anything. And I feel like, you know, watching
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: it back, I definitely, I did okay there, but, you know,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: in watching it, I'm sort of like, God, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't know how this thing was going.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: To age again.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: You know, you've got some Riz, Bob, let me give
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you that. You did all right. You're perfect for this
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: and lovable and kind. And it's continued with you to today.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: There's your questions asked at some point, your boys are
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: going to watch and be like, goodness gracious. Dad is
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a stud.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Grayson, I think I'll have some notes,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I've got notes, right?
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: That'd be even better.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: I will say this, you know, it is funny watching
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: my kids now. I have a seven-year-old and a five-year-old
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: and watching my seven-year-old at a high school football game, talking,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: he's seven, talking up a bunch of seventh grade cheerleaders.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, what is going on?
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I think you should know exactly what's going on. Yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: he is you.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: He is me.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, he is the guy that like, just, you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: hi ladies. You know, he's telling a story and he's,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: and they're laughing. And I'm like, oh my God, this
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: kid is like, he's way better than I ever was,
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: but you know, it is interesting. Like I said, it's,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: it's humbling to watch such a huge point in our lives. And,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: and realize, I mean, I'm, I mean, I was watching
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: my whole life change, you know, now that I look
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: back and I'm like, wow, I remember coming off that
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: show going, Oh my God, what did I do? And
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: it was like, you know, now it's like all these
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: other things that have happened as a result of that experience.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: And it's pretty humbling. It's pretty magical. So really nice
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: to get to watch it back. So I appreciate that
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: we're doing this.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun for me too. I've enjoyed every second
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: of it. I know listeners, you are as well. It's
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: fun to reminisce and it's also fun to watch a
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: season that is so well done. Again, we're watching this
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: on Tubi. You can go and Watch it for free
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: as well. It's season four of The Bachelor. Make sure
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you go watch before the breakdowns to get the insights,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the details, all the behind the scenes on what was
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: happening in the journey for Bob Guinea. Hey, we'll be
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: back soon breaking down the rest of the episodes, episodes seven, eight,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and nine. Actually, yeah, seven, eight, and nine will be
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: kind of the end of this. Also, Bob and I
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: will be on The Bachelor Nation cruise at sea If
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: you're joining, we can't wait to say hi. If you're not,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: we will be coming out with content live from the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: cruise ship on everything happening and the reunion that is
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: going to take place. So until next time, I've been Ben.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I've been Bob.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon, everybody.
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