Latest / INSIGHT TODAY / Trump denies offering to sell weapons to China's Xi
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Did Donald Trump illegally offer to sell weapons to China?
- 0:03Speaker 1: Here's his U.S. ambassador.
- 0:07Speaker 2: President Trump has already sold 50 percent more arms to
- 0:10Speaker 2: Taiwan than any other president since 1979. And so I
- 0:14Speaker 2: don't accept the premise that, you know, he's not doing
- 0:17Speaker 2: all that we should be doing for Taiwan.
- 0:19Speaker 3: Twenty billion dollars in aid and armaments.
- 0:21Speaker 4: Will that be expedited?
- 0:23Speaker 2: Well, earlier, President Trump's already approved 11 billion. There are
- 0:28Speaker 2: continuing conversations about other sales. He and President Xi talk
- 0:32Speaker 2: about that every time they get together. But President Trump
- 0:35Speaker 2: continues to say, hey, we sell arms to other people
- 0:38Speaker 2: around the world. He actually asked President Xi would he
- 0:42Speaker 2: like to buy some at one point.
- 0:45Speaker 1: Those comments come as CNN has learned that China has
- 0:48Speaker 1: been helping Iran target the United States and its military
- 0:51Speaker 1: sites in the Middle East. The State Department responded to
- 0:55Speaker 1: the ambassador's comments, noting that it is against the law
- 0:58Speaker 1: to sell arms to China and that there is no
- 1:00Speaker 1: offer or plan to do so. President Trump also denied it.
- 1:06Speaker 5: Is that accurate?
- 1:07Speaker 6: Did you make such a suggestion?
- 1:08Speaker 5: To China?
- 1:09Speaker 4: To China.
- 1:09Speaker 5: You mean to Taiwan?
- 1:11Speaker 2: No, to China.
- 1:12Speaker 3: That's what he said.
- 1:13Speaker 5: I never heard of that one. I'm going to have
- 1:14Speaker 5: to ask him. You mean we're going to sell? No,
- 1:16Speaker 5: they'd probably like to buy it because we do make
- 1:18Speaker 5: better equipment than that. So maybe it's a good idea.
- 1:21Speaker 5: but we didn't discuss it. They may have been talking
- 1:26Speaker 5: about that one. I think he probably was talking about
- 1:28Speaker 5: that one.
- 1:29Speaker 4: Out front now, retired Army Major General Randy Manor. And General,
- 1:32Speaker 4: that's the point. Perdue did not think he was saying
- 1:34Speaker 4: anything wrong by telling the world what Trump said in
- 1:37Speaker 4: that room. And in fact, he was proud of it.
- 1:42Speaker 7: It's very disconcerting. Here we have somebody who cannot remember
- 1:45Speaker 7: what they said, obviously something that was illegal. I mean,
- 1:48Speaker 7: it sounds very much like that that very senior elderly
- 1:52Speaker 7: uncle that's suffering from early stages of dementia, except for
- 1:55Speaker 7: in this case, that uncle happens to be the president
- 1:57Speaker 7: of the United States. It's very disconcerting when he cannot
- 2:00Speaker 7: even remember what he said, which again, if he even
- 2:02Speaker 7: said it, it would have been an illegal act.
- 2:06Speaker 4: So, you know, context here, you know, Bloomberg's talking about
- 2:09Speaker 4: China intercepting incredibly sensitive F-35 stealth aircraft parts, including the canopy,
- 2:15Speaker 4: which is required for reverse engineering. I mean, this is
- 2:18Speaker 4: the most sophisticated technology you know, plane that we have,
- 2:22Speaker 4: you know, the context here is that, right? That they
- 2:25Speaker 4: diverted a shipment and they took it. So I guess
- 2:29Speaker 4: I'm curious in that context as to why do you
- 2:33Speaker 4: think President Trump, who's well aware of that F-35 issue,
- 2:37Speaker 4: as well as others even with the F-35s, why Trump
- 2:41Speaker 4: would even offer to sell the president of China weapons?
- 2:47Speaker 7: Again, I truly believe the president does not know what
- 2:49Speaker 7: he's talking about any longer on many issues. The fact
- 2:53Speaker 7: that that was a tremendous Chinese intelligence cue to be
- 2:58Speaker 7: able to literally sidetrack and steal that cargo vehicle, that
- 3:04Speaker 7: cargo container full of parts, that was amazing that they
- 3:07Speaker 7: pulled that off. And it was a tremendous loss to
- 3:10Speaker 7: the United States in terms of losing that to the Chinese,
- 3:13Speaker 7: let alone, of course, the Chinese government. hacking into defense
- 3:16Speaker 7: and defense contractor databases, which they have already done.
- 3:19Speaker 8: David Perdue, who is the U.S. envoy, the U.S. ambassador
- 3:23Speaker 8: to China, said that during this state visit, Trump asked
- 3:27Speaker 8: Xi if he wanted to buy American weapons. Do you
- 3:30Speaker 8: have concerns about that?
- 3:34Speaker 6: I couldn't believe the reporting when I read it. I'm
- 3:37Speaker 6: the top Democrat on the China committee. and I'm a
- 3:41Speaker 6: senior Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, I'll tell you,
- 3:43Speaker 6: I don't think there's a single Republican on either of
- 3:46Speaker 6: those committees who would be for selling arms to China.
- 3:51Speaker 6: What they're for is that we stand by our assurances
- 3:54Speaker 6: and don't have China interfere in any of our arms
- 3:58Speaker 6: sales to Taiwan. So I don't know if the president
- 4:00Speaker 6: just got confused, but it is against the law to
- 4:04Speaker 6: be selling arms to China. And why in the world
- 4:07Speaker 6: would we want to do that when they are tightening
- 4:10Speaker 6: the noose militarily around Taiwan?
- 4:14Speaker 1: It's an odd thing for Ambassador Perdue to say. And
- 4:17Speaker 1: I just think about what you were saying about the president,
- 4:20Speaker 1: what he promised and how he campaigned. And he did,
- 4:23Speaker 1: he campaigned so many times on this sort of tough
- 4:27Speaker 1: on China campaign. anti-China rhetoric, he could not be further
- 4:31Speaker 1: from that right now than where he is.
- 4:35Speaker 9: Well, I disagree because if you look at fentanyl, fentanyl
- 4:38Speaker 9: deaths in the United States are down 36%. And when
- 4:41Speaker 9: you think about that in the context of thousands of
- 4:44Speaker 9: American lives and people's brothers and loved ones and mothers
- 4:48Speaker 9: and siblings, that really means something. I mean, in the
- 4:51Speaker 9: last administration, the leading cause of death for young Americans
- 4:54Speaker 9: was fentanyl overdose deaths. And Trump did that by being
- 4:57Speaker 9: tough on China. You know, he said to Xi, I'm
- 4:59Speaker 9: going to do a 10% tariff if you don't stop
- 5:02Speaker 9: the flow of fentanyl precursors going to America.
- 5:03Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, the drop in fentanyl deaths began
- 5:07Speaker 1: under Biden at the end of the Biden term.
- 5:09Speaker 9: Joe Biden did not do anything to tell Xi Jinping
- 5:13Speaker 9: to knock it off.
- 5:14Speaker 1: Let's just put on the table that what's driving the
- 5:17Speaker 1: drop in fentanyl deaths is a multifaceted thing. It's not
- 5:20Speaker 1: just one thing. It's not just pressure on China. It's
- 5:24Speaker 1: a lot of things, and it started under Biden. So
- 5:26Speaker 1: that's the only thing I would say. So what else, Caroline? Well,
- 5:29Speaker 1: hold on.
- 5:29Speaker 8: I don't want to say what else, because this is serious.
- 5:31Speaker 8: This is the leading.
- 5:32Speaker 1: Cause of death for young Americans. But if your premise
- 5:36Speaker 1: that this was solely driven by Trump's rhetorical pressure on China.
- 5:40Speaker 9: When it comes to.
- 5:41Speaker 1: Federal, I don't think that's accurate.
- 5:43Speaker 9: Because he told Xi it's a 10% tariff.
- 5:45Speaker 5: Xi didn't back down.
- 5:46Speaker 8: He said it's a 20% tariff.
- 5:48Speaker 9: She said, I'm not going to back down. Now he
- 5:49Speaker 9: said it's a 20 percent tariff and it's an $ 800
- 5:52Speaker 9: de minimis non-exemption.
- 5:54Speaker 1: You have to explain how the fentanyl deaths, drug deaths
- 6:00Speaker 1: began dropping before Donald Trump came into office. And if
- 6:04Speaker 1: you can't explain that with Trump's pressure on tariffs. then
- 6:07Speaker 1: it's just maybe one thing that contributed to it, but
- 6:10Speaker 1: it cannot explain the entire phenomenon.
- 6:12Speaker 9: Let me explain. Because I've spoken to families who knew
- 6:15Speaker 9: that the Biden administration didn't give a rat's ass about that.
- 6:17Speaker 1: Are you going to offer anything else?
- 6:18Speaker 9: Yeah, I am, because fentanyl precursors come 100% from China.
- 6:22Speaker 1: Are you going to offer anything else?
- 6:23Speaker 8: This is a huge deal. I'm so passionate about this
- 6:27Speaker 8: because I feel like you guys are being really dismissive.
- 6:30Speaker 1: Of the fact that nobody is being really dismissive of
- 6:33Speaker 1: the fact that when you say, well, how did this start?
- 6:36Speaker 1: How did this happen?
- 6:37Speaker 10: It's multifactorial.
- 6:38Speaker 1: It's not multifactorial.
- 6:40Speaker 11: It could be multifactorial.
- 6:41Speaker 9: Federal precursors come 100% from China. And they stopped coming
- 6:45Speaker 9: from China because the president did something about it.
- 6:48Speaker 8: And that matters.
- 6:48Speaker 1: Let me just play what Trump has said about another
- 6:57Speaker 1: trading partner of ours that we are typically pretty close to.
- 7:02Speaker 1: This is in stark contrast to what he has said
- 7:04Speaker 1: about China. This is about Canada. Listen.
- 7:08Speaker 5: Well, they want to have a deal with us. They
- 7:10Speaker 5: call us all the time. The problem is that they've
- 7:12Speaker 5: treated the United States very unfairly. They have been one
- 7:15Speaker 5: of the worst countries in the entire world. We get
- 7:18Speaker 5: along with China, we get along with the people, and
- 7:21Speaker 5: we make good deals, but Canada's been really very difficult
- 7:26Speaker 5: to deal with, actually. And they've charged our farmers 400%
- 7:29Speaker 5: tariffs and more. And they take advantage of us. They
- 7:35Speaker 5: feel entitled.
- 7:39Speaker 1: So the truth is that Trump has been in an
- 7:42Speaker 1: escalatory trade war with China of his own making, right?
- 7:47Speaker 1: But on this visit, he had almost nothing negative to
- 7:51Speaker 1: say about China. And it seems like it did pay
- 7:53Speaker 1: off because one thing that he got that we know
- 7:57Speaker 1: of so far that benefits him the most is he
- 8:02Speaker 1: backed down on tariffs and so did China on some
- 8:05Speaker 1: key things that are important for the economy. Things like corn, wheat,
- 8:11Speaker 1: frozen meat, seafood, cosmetics, medical devices, wood products, the list
- 8:16Speaker 1: goes on and on. It was a mutual back down,
- 8:20Speaker 1: but one that Trump needs more.
- 8:21Speaker 11: Wait a minute, though. When Trump took over, the trade
- 8:25Speaker 11: deficit with China was $ 295 billion. Today, after the tariff policies.
- 8:29Speaker 6: It's $ 140 billion.
- 8:30Speaker 11: Now, I'm not going to defend all his tariff policies.
- 8:33Speaker 11: The Canadian tariffs are a head-scratcher for me still. But
- 8:37Speaker 11: tariffs on China were absolutely in order. China was absolutely
- 8:40Speaker 11: taking advantage of our market. Joe Biden had done nothing
- 8:43Speaker 11: to do it because Joe Biden was a weak president.
- 8:45Speaker 11: President Trump zeroed in on it. American workers are better
- 8:48Speaker 11: off now. And now that progress has been made, the
- 8:50Speaker 11: president is strategically adding things back into the mix. And
- 8:56Speaker 11: that's exactly what should happen. I mean, soybean farmers are
- 8:58Speaker 11: a little upset they're not on the list this week.
- 9:01Speaker 11: That would probably help politically and the Midwest some. But
- 9:04Speaker 11: it is right and good for us to ratchet the
- 9:07Speaker 11: pressure up on the Chinese until... They are fairer with
- 9:10Speaker 11: our economy.
- 9:10Speaker 8: That's the right thing to do.
- 9:11Speaker 7: But we're still talking about.
- 9:11Speaker 3: Tariffs as abstract.
- 9:13Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 9:13Speaker 3: We're talking about these big numbers. And I want to
- 9:15Speaker 3: point to one thing you even said about cosmetics, that
- 9:17Speaker 3: little portion. Every woman, since Trump has been president, has
- 9:20Speaker 3: had to pay more for things even like getting your
- 9:22Speaker 3: hair done. And when you talk to small business owners
- 9:25Speaker 3: across the country... Even beauticians, they talk about how some
- 9:28Speaker 3: of their supplies, because we get them from China, a
- 9:31Speaker 3: lot of beauty supplies, including hair extensions. One business owner, $ 300, 000
- 9:36Speaker 3: worth of stock stuck in an LA port, wasn't able
- 9:39Speaker 3: to recoup that whatsoever. He can talk about the conversations
- 9:42Speaker 3: he's had now. There are real Americans whose businesses are
- 9:45Speaker 3: on the brink because of actions he took.
- 9:47Speaker 11: If you can move back to Brazil or Mexico or
- 9:49Speaker 11: some other place that's comparable, that's not an enemy like China,
- 9:52Speaker 11: we'll all be better off. And there is a transition
- 9:54Speaker 11: to do that.
- 9:55Speaker 5: Hold on.
- 9:55Speaker 8: One, I think you would be hard-pressed to find an
- 9:57Speaker 8: American worker who would say that they're better off now
- 9:58Speaker 8: than they were a year and a half ago. You're
- 10:00Speaker 8: just not going to find people who are going to
- 10:01Speaker 8: say that.
- 10:01Speaker 11: Construction jobs for the steel plant in Iowa, they're going
- 10:03Speaker 11: to be pretty happy about it.
- 10:04Speaker 8: According to ADP, we lost manufacturing jobs and construction jobs
- 10:06Speaker 8: last month.
- 10:07Speaker 11: Energy industry as a whole, they're all pretty happy.
- 10:09Speaker 8: I'm sure you've got a lot of stats trying to
- 10:10Speaker 8: prove this, but people sitting at home are not feeling
- 10:11Speaker 8: any good.
- 10:12Speaker 11: Mike, you can't be. They're not statistics.
- 10:14Speaker 8: They're real people who are suffering right now.
- 10:17Speaker 6: Rewind the tape.
- 10:17Speaker 11: Five minutes ago, you were saying it's a multifaceted problem.
- 10:19Speaker 8: I didn't say that.
- 10:20Speaker 11: That means you need to be honest and say, look,
- 10:22Speaker 11: there are some things in the economy that Donald Trump
- 10:25Speaker 11: has improved because we didn't have Joe Biden's weakness in
- 10:27Speaker 11: there doing it. The Chinese trade deficit is one of them.
- 10:30Speaker 8: Nobody sitting at home is buying this pro-Trump message.
- 10:33Speaker 1: I guess that's if you assume that trade deficits are
- 10:36Speaker 1: inherently bad, which is a completely disputed idea.
- 10:39Speaker 11: They're not inherently bad.
- 10:41Speaker 1: They just represent.
- 10:42Speaker 8: The flow of trade from one country to another.
- 10:44Speaker 11: But with a line-cheating country like.
- 10:46Speaker 7: China, they are bad.
- 10:47Speaker 1: I get that. I get that on things that are important,
- 10:51Speaker 1: but on combs, they're much less important. And so the
- 10:56Speaker 1: idea of a trade deficit in and of itself is not,
- 11:00Speaker 1: that's Trump's way of looking at it, but it's not
- 11:03Speaker 1: actually economically significant because, yeah, Americans probably should pay less
- 11:09Speaker 1: to get combs from China as opposed to manufacturing that
- 11:13Speaker 1: in the United States. We don't need to manufacture combs
- 11:16Speaker 1: in the United States. And Americans don't need to pay
- 11:18Speaker 1: more for it.
- 11:18Speaker 2: We don't.
- 11:18Speaker 11: We should manufacture them in an ally, not an enemy.
- 11:20Speaker 11: We should make them in Brazil or Ecuador or Colombia,
- 11:22Speaker 11: not China.
- 11:23Speaker 1: But if you listen to Trump, you wouldn't even know
- 11:25Speaker 1: that Trump.
- 11:25Speaker 2: After this visit, I'm not sure.
- 11:26Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know that China was an enemy and
- 11:29Speaker 1: not an ally. Hold on.
- 11:30Speaker 8: Can I get an opportunity?
- 11:31Speaker 6: Because we started.
- 11:34Speaker 8: This conversation about whether or not Donald Trump was going
- 11:36Speaker 8: to sell weapons to China, and I think we shouldn't
- 11:38Speaker 8: lose sight of that. China is actively helping Iran right now.
- 11:41Speaker 8: We have at least 22 military service men and women
- 11:44Speaker 8: who have been killed. We have countless others that have
- 11:46Speaker 8: been wounded. They're lying about those numbers right now. And
- 11:48Speaker 8: what's Donald Trump doing? He's serving a beautiful dinner to
- 11:50Speaker 8: the Chinese government. He's lavishing them with praise while attacking
- 11:53Speaker 8: our enemies and promising to sell them weapons, which is illegal.
- 11:56Speaker 11: He should not offer to sell them weapons, even if
- 11:58Speaker 11: it's flippant.
- 11:59Speaker 8: I appreciate you saying that because a lot of Republicans
- 12:01Speaker 8: won't say that.
- 12:01Speaker 10: Trump understands two things about China, I think. First, that
- 12:04Speaker 10: it was wrong to offshore the entire manufacturing sector of
- 12:06Speaker 10: the American economy to China and other countries. And second,
- 12:10Speaker 10: he looks at the world as people who are getting screwed,
- 12:13Speaker 10: like Taiwan, and people who do that to them. And
- 12:16Speaker 10: he's much more comfortable dealing with the great powers. and
- 12:20Speaker 10: tossing aside, that's why every country in the world is
- 12:22Speaker 10: recalibrating its relationship with the United States under Trump, because
- 12:25Speaker 10: he won't commit unless you're a power that he has
- 12:28Speaker 10: to stand up to.