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Everton Are Flying! 6 Goals, 2 Clean Sheets & Bournemouth Preview | OTB · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

• 0:00
  So, did you just go to the game?
• 0:03
  Or were you on holiday?
• 0:04
  On Saturday.
• 0:05
  Some of us were working.
• 0:07
  The Crystal Palace game?
• 0:08
  Yeah, I was commentating on it.
• 0:10
  Some of us were on TV working on real jobs.
• 0:14
  Ozzy was doing his real job as well.
• 0:15
  I was there commentating on the game.
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  Well, you know, Ozzy was just enjoying himself as always.
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  I am fortunate, Tony.
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  You're a bit grumpy this morning, aren't you?
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  I can see it.
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  I can hear your voice.
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  I can see it.
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  I was doing my day job at the ground.
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  It was a good one to do.
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  Great to be in the stadium.
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  It felt good to be back, to be honest.
• 0:39
  I know we've had the World Cup, and everyone's got a bit excited about that over the summer, but there's just something a bit different about Premier League football.
• 0:47
  And then when you're seeing your own team playing and starting well, winning the game, it's good.
• 0:52
  It's nice winning on opening day of the season, isn't it?
• 0:56
  I can't really remember the last time we've done that.
• 1:01
  Well, obviously going into the game doing the stats, we'd lost the last four opening Premier League games and hadn't scored a goal in any of them.
• 1:10
  Wow.
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  So, it was a refreshing change, wasn't it?
• 1:14
  Yeah, when you say it like that, you just don't realise it all.
• 1:19
  You don't realise the misery Everton can put on you at times.
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  Because I was so, so...
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  Looking forward to it, even though it wasn't going to be there, and I knew it wasn't going to be there when the Boxing Dates got announced.
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  I just, I was so looking forward to it and then to just, yeah.
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  But we got the job done.
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  Colt, yeah, because Colt sat with Corey, didn't he, in your seats?
• 1:41
  Fantastic, yeah.
• 1:42
  He was buzzing with himself.
• 1:44
  Yeah, of course he was, absolutely.
• 1:45
  He doesn't get the corporate from me anymore, he gets it from you.
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  Not me, son.
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  There's nothing corporate about me, I love you, no.
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  Go and ask Uncle Toadie, he'll sort you.
• 1:56
  They're for the clients then.
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  It was a good game.
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  As I say, I didn't think...
• 2:08
  I thought we were quite fortunate not to be behind our half-tap.
• 2:11
  I mean, Jorah Pickford makes probably the save of the season on the opening day.
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  First half of the opening day, it was...
• 2:17
  It picked up exactly where he left off.
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  I mean, so important for us.
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  Anyone who sort of...
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  I can't believe he still has people that...
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  don't appreciate how good he is.
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  And the cheap and easy thing to say is, if he was a top-class keeper in one of the big clubs who'd come and got him, or either got to one of the big clubs, maybe he doesn't want to.
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  Maybe he's happy where he is.
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  Maybe he's OK playing for the team he loves, and he's very settled.
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  And there's nothing wrong with that.
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  And he performs absolutely brilliantly for us.
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  I mean, he typically scuffed a kick into his own centre-half, ten minutes after he saved the season.
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  But that's Jordan Breyer.
• 3:00
  They saved us all that matters.
• 3:02
  Yeah.
• 3:03
  Yeah, so I mean, we could have been behind, we rode our luck and if we'd have gone behind opening day of the season and then the crowd would have gone a little bit tense and I don't think we'd have helped the team from that moment.
• 3:15
  But it was good to turn it around, good to get the opening goal and yeah, deserved the win, I thought.
• 3:22
  What would you put that opening 20 minutes down to?
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  A bit of opening nerves for first game of the season?
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  Any other ideas?
• 3:30
  Yeah.
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  No, I don't think we started badly as such.
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  We weren't given passes away.
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  We actually played okay in possession of the ball and tried to create a few chances.
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  But we were too easy to play through, we were too open.
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  They were able to, especially Adam Wharton, he's got some passes, he just fires them into great positions.
• 3:55
  Yeah, he was picking out some really good passes and cutting through us and cutting us open.
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  So it was just a case of, yeah, go and enjoy yourself.
• 4:03
  This is what I think the half-time talk would have been.
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  Continue to play well on the ball, continue to advance forward.
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  But it's not a kid's under-12s game.
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  Make sure we're doing it from a good position and we're doing it from a good shape.
• 4:17
  And from that moment, I thought, I don't know whether Crystal Palace...
• 4:22
  disappointingly didn't turn up or we were dominant in the second half but it was it was it wasn't a contest in that second half.
• 4:31
  Out of the outfield players who were you impressed by?
• 4:33
  I was impressed by a lot.
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  I thought Merlin Roll playing right back did very well.
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  I think he was positionally in
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  in bad positions a couple of times in the first half.
• 4:49
  And I think that's partly because he doesn't know the position and Tarkey was probably not bullying him as such, but he was allowing him to come and help him do Tarkey's job rather than Tarkey saying, stay away.
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  Roel saying, I can't come and help you, I need to go do me.
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  He just kept getting dragged into his centre half a bit too much.
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  But other than that, I thought he did great.
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  I thought Hayden Hackney was outstanding on his debut.
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  Harrison Armstrong is impactful.
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  He gets around, he makes tackles.
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  He made a brilliant defensive tackle after about 10 minutes on the halfway line.
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  He made a great tackle to set up the opening goal.
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  And he continues to do that.
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  He does have sloppiness in him.
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  He gave the ball away cheaply a few times, which I'm sure he'll be working on and improving.
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  But yeah, I was impressed with the majority of them.
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  I saw that you obviously went to the ground.
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  So the top five picks for man of the match were up on the big screen.
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  Basically pick.
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  You could have picked Pickford, Illiman, Dewsbury Hall, Armstrong,
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  Roll, Merlin Roll.
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  And when I was in the media afterwards, I was like, bloody hell, Snodds.
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  Bumped into Snodds.
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  I can't believe Hayden Hackney wasn't in the vote.
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  I was voted for Hackney.
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  He went, no, no, you're wrong.
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  I went, who picks them five people up there?
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  They haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
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  Snodds went, it were me.
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  It were me.
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  I picked them.
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  I was like, that sums it up.
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  Bloody hell, we had a good argument.
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  And to be fair, he defended his picks and gave me a reason why each one of them were on the board basically to choose from.
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  But it just shows that I had a different opinion from him.
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  I'm sure everybody in the stadium had different opinions about who they thought was man of the match.
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  I mean, Tony, who did you think was man of the match?
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  I think it was Keenan Juzvio.
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  I just think that goal sets the tempo.
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  I just think it's a really good goal.
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  It gets us ahead.
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  And as you said before earlier, in them first 20 minutes you could be two down.
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  And it just needs a little bit of a special moment to get us going.
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  And it was a really, really good goal.
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  I was impressed and really happy for Harrison Armstrong.
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  I know you touched upon those a few little bits there that he's going to need to rush up on.
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  The Premier League is so unforgiving that you lose the ball in certain situations.
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  He will punish you and it will happen to you really quick.
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  But yeah, I'm really happy to see him playing because that kid just needs minutes and I think he will flourish.
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  I really do.
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  So I'm just happy.
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  You know, Hayden Hackney looks like a brilliant acquisition.
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  Keenan Dewsbury Hall is just phenomenal.
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  I said to his death before the season's coming on, they're going to have big seasons.
• 7:35
  I think Jimmy Garner and Keenan Dewsbury Hall will be pivotal this season.
• 7:40
  I think just in...
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  in the context of keeping the ball, creating chances, goals, and you know TNL Barry's the best striker in the world at the minute.
• 7:51
  Yeah, let's move on to him.
• 7:54
  Where's that come from?
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  It's been coming.
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  Four goals in two games.
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  Absolutely fly.
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  And where's all the people now saying we need a new striker?
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  He's brilliant.
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  Sorry, our cars have been going to me.
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  Dad, he's the most informed striker in the world.
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  And I said, son, listen, just stop quieting down.
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  Don't let the other side hear what you're talking about.
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  Just let's get to Christmas, son, and let's just see if he's still firing them in.
• 8:24
  And I said, no, dad, everyone's got to know now.
• 8:27
  He's the best striker in the world right now.
• 8:29
  And this is what a toxic little 13-year-old Neutronians can get like once they start.
• 8:37
  Look, we can't... For a team that...
• 8:41
  Still think overall we'd love to have a top-class centre-forward.
• 8:48
  All he can do is try and go out there and show it.
• 8:50
  He wasn't up to what we needed last season.
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  On him, he's got to prove to the manager, to his own teammates, to us, that he's a striker that can take the team forward.
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  Now, yeah, he couldn't have started better in sense of goals.
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  Obviously, a hat-trick against Preston.
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  And being positive in terms of,
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  His performances were decent.
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  He's scored them goals in two games.
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  And I'm really looking forward to seeing a confident Tierno Barry moving forward, having scored these goals, because confidence is everything.
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  He should be able to sort of dig into that and use that confidence moving forward.
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  The slight negative is, and it's not negative, it's the flip side of me, saying...
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  Well, it was only against Preston, and they're not that good, and he should be performing against them.
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  You'd hope he's performing against them, but he still has to go out and do it.
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  And then his goal against Crystal Palace at the weekend, I think that was goal-wide, if it didn't hit the defender on the back of the head.
• 9:55
  You burst the balloon there, Oz.
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  I'm not going to lie, I don't care.
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  There are circumstances, but yeah, I'm hoping it takes him forward.
• 10:06
  I mean, he got the assist for Dewsbury Hall as well.
• 10:09
  So, and he showed flashes in pre-season.
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  He was showing flashes of dribbles and back heels and all of that.
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  But the main thing is...
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  apart from his goals, he has to hold the ball up well for us.
• 10:20
  He didn't really do that well against Crystal Palace.
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  So I need that part of his game.
• 10:24
  Because watching Mateta hold the ball up at one end of the pitch, compared to what Barry was doing, Mateta was wrestling Brantway and Tarkovsky, who really struggled with him at times to hold the ball up.
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  But Mateta missed a huge chance.
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  So Tiero doesn't miss them anymore, does he?
• 10:42
  No, he's getting in and around the six-yard box.
• 10:44
  I mean, they're all tap-ins at the moment, but...
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  Goal's a goal.
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  You've got to be there, mate.
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  That's ultimately, if you keep getting in them same places, they will come.
• 10:54
  As the boy who got the fourth goal for us, Brennan Johnson, showed what we all wanted, what we were all talking about.
• 11:01
  He came in at the right time and that's what we've been lacking, that's what we've been missing.
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  That little get who's at the back post or that little sneak who's at the back post and he's just there and he just appears and they're there what you want.
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  Them little horror bags who do it to you every time and I am just so happy we've got our own little horror bag who shows up at the right time and the right place now.
• 11:24
  He's a horror bag already?
• 11:26
  I know, yeah.
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  Welcome Brennan.
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  Oz, you did say that a couple of weeks ago, that you felt Brennan would come in at the back post and maybe score a few more goals and maybe some of our other wide players.
• 11:35
  Do you expect that to continue?
• 11:37
  Yeah, a lot.
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  Especially, so obviously he scored from Tierno, but...
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  The Dewsbury Hall will get five assists for Brennan Johnson this season alone.
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  Those two lingering up.
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  Dewsbury Hall getting down that left channel where he scored his goal from against Palace.
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  And if he hits it at goal or the keeper saves it or, which actually happened in the second half when Brennan Johnson coming on, flashes it right across the face of that goal.
• 12:03
  Unfortunately, it was just a little bit too high.
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  on Saturday against Palace but I could see that happening and obviously in the cup him just flying in at the back post being in that position understanding the strengths of his game because as I said he's a very good sounds bad he's a very good player without the ball in terms of
• 12:23
  knowing where to be.
• 12:24
  We've got enough people now that can be on the ball.
• 12:28
  You always have to have a balance.
• 12:29
  You can't have 11 players that all want to come to the ball and be on the ball.
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  You'll never get anywhere.
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  At the same time, you can't have 11 players that all want to run away from it and be on the end of a pass if you've got no one to play a pass.
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  And we're just now starting to get a good mix of that because Tierno wants to run away.
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  Brennan wants to run away.
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  Gizbi wants to come to the ball.
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  Ilamin Adai wants to come to the ball.
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  Good players.
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  Jimmy Garner can play in the past it's started to become a good balance Oz do you know in your squad who was that player who was the little sneak at the back post was it T.C.
• 12:58
  or was it Tim Gale
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  Yeah.
• 13:01
  He was that guy.
• 13:02
  Yeah, just being in the right position.
• 13:03
  The thing Tim had as well is he never stood still.
• 13:08
  So, I mean, there's a lot of things now people say, especially in the middle of the pitch, sometimes to get on the ball you need to stand still, which is 100% right.
• 13:17
  But in the box, if you ever look at all of his goals, the minute the ball comes into play, he's probably the most mobile player in it.
• 13:25
  He had a trick of knowing whether to be in the back post or more often than not, just run down the path of the ball, where it's come from, head down there and trust himself to know how high he can jump to get on the end of it.
• 13:38
  And he was brilliant at that.
• 13:39
  You've got to have those players in your team.
• 13:42
  You've got to have people that want to run...
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  and get on the end of things and score goals and affect the game in that way.
• 13:52
  And yeah, I think, so due to the whole scoring goals for us being in the right place, Brennan Johnson will be a bit more predatory by landing on things that bounce in the box and scoring those goals that way.
• 14:05
  It's a tough decision you've got to manage to make, isn't it then?
• 14:08
  When he's picking that starting line-up now, you've got players who do all different kinds of jobs.
• 14:14
  And I would think it's more about are we tactically set up now?
• 14:19
  If it likes to go away games and home games, I think we're adding a little bit...
• 14:24
  There's a couple more dimensions to our team, a couple of more, you know, different ways we can play, different ways we can get our teams, and I think with the people, hopefully, if we can get a couple more through the door, I think he's been quite outspoken in what he said in the press, that, you know, we haven't got enough yet.
• 14:41
  We need a little bit more quality, we need a couple more faces.
• 14:44
  But,
• 14:45
  I mean, Oz, you've been in football all your life, so you'd know, like setting up for games.
• 14:51
  So, you know, what would have been the thought process behind the Palace, setting up against Palace and then setting up against Preston?
• 14:58
  Well, Moise would have tactically looked at the opposition, how they're going to hurt you.
• 15:03
  how you can hurt them, what positions you need to hurt them.
• 15:08
  And the good thing about the Palace game in terms of being able to talk about this is they play with a different system.
• 15:14
  So now for the first half and certainly for the last 20 minutes, well, probably the middle 20 minutes in the first half, Crystal Palace system was beating ours.
• 15:24
  They weren't doing anything like, it wasn't like man-to-man they were playing better, but they were getting in pockets and systems and getting over the shoulder.
• 15:31
  And that'll be the stuff that they would have worked on as well, because as much work as you want to do going into a game, you know the opposition are working on something too.
• 15:39
  So they were fine, Adam Wilt was getting players in pockets that we really struggled to deal with.
• 15:44
  But then in the second half, our system took over and they couldn't compete.
• 15:49
  And that will have been all the work that's done on the training ground to make sure that you're...
• 15:54
  without thinking exactly where the benefit is going to be.
• 15:57
  Managers will tell the players, rather than you just trying to find it.
• 16:01
  Some players can find it when they're out there, by the way, but the manager will have helped.
• 16:06
  And you're right, he's now looking to the point where we've got options.
• 16:11
  I would have said last season,
• 16:13
  I could have probably told you, if everyone was fit, I could have told you straight away who are starting ten way.
• 16:19
  And then it was a toss to the coin whether he played better or Barry.
• 16:21
  But with Grealish on the left, Jai on the right, Jujbeul, Garner, Idrissa.
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  It was always the same.
• 16:28
  Where this season, barring saying Jujbeul's going to play with his fits, Garner's going to play with his fits, Dye's going to play with his fits, barring that.
• 16:38
  I think the other players have started to give him a real decision to make, which is a brilliant thing to say.
• 16:45
  No guard's going to come in and have a run.
• 16:47
  Hackney, Hackney...
• 16:50
  I think when we bought him, I think we were thinking it might take, I don't know, two months to breed him into the team, to use him, to make him get to Everton.
• 16:59
  But because of injuries, we had to play him in that first game.
• 17:02
  And boy, did he take his chance.
• 17:03
  The same with Harrison Armstrong after a good summer.
• 17:07
  Get in the team, show us that you're ready to take this move.
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  And he did.
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  So now Moyes has gone, wow, these two are ready to play.
• 17:13
  I've got Garner who weren't available.
• 17:17
  I've now got...
• 17:20
  Decisions to make.
• 17:20
  The same with Tariq George.
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  Come in and did brilliantly.
• 17:25
  We got Brennan Johnson.
• 17:26
  You would have thought it would have been a giant Johnson.
• 17:27
  George did great.
• 17:28
  Dibblen did well the other night again.
• 17:30
  And suddenly I'm going, you can now, as you've just said, Tony, go into games thinking, what's their fullback like?
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  What's their opposition like?
• 17:38
  Where am I going to get people on the ball?
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  Do we need them to beat?
• 17:41
  Well, that's probably better suited for.
• 17:44
  Brennan Johnson, oh, that's better suited for Hackney's runs forward.
• 17:48
  And now as a manager, he's going, wow.
• 17:51
  I can really manipulate this depending on what I've got, rather than I have to put this 11 out because I haven't got any other options and I'm going to ask them to do different jobs within the team.
• 18:01
  So it's a positive having those players step up.
• 18:06
  Oz, do the stats worry you that Palace have more possession and a higher XG in the game?
• 18:10
  I mean, listen, for me, I don't really care about them things, but for you as a player and being there, is that significant?
• 18:17
  Does that mean anything or does it just matter if you've won or not?
• 18:20
  Ultimately it matters if you win, because we've been involved in games where you've got great XG, you've created loads of chances and you've missed, or you've had loads of possession.
• 18:29
  Possession these days isn't all that.
• 18:33
  It's not our own, because we're our own.
• 18:36
  No, because we're not a team that...
• 18:39
  I mean, we're improving and we do get on the ball now, do have a little bit of play.
• 18:44
  But also, we don't panic without it.
• 18:46
  We don't go, oh my God, we've got to get... We know we're a pretty solid defensive structure.
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  So, we don't mind not having the ball, which gives us a chance on the counter-attack.
• 18:55
  We like a bit of defending at times.
• 18:57
  We like seeing strong tackles.
• 18:58
  Even as a fan base, we like seeing counter-attacks, marauding runs, Merlin Roll maybe charging...
• 19:04
  Down the outside with pace.
• 19:05
  So possession isn't everything.
• 19:10
  It always depends on who you play against, but Crystal Palace with Wharton in the middle of the pitch are a possession team.
• 19:14
  So I felt they were going to have more possession.
• 19:17
  It was a slight concern their XG was as high as it was because obviously XG means that we're having a lot of chances against us, which means either we're being poor defensively or we get cut open.
• 19:32
  But at the same time,
• 19:34
  We've done that last season and the season before, I think, and trusted in Jordan Pickford, trusted in the defenders to make blocks.
• 19:40
  And yeah, we maybe rode our luck with Peteta's missing his chance and the other one that was out there as well on top of the Pickford save.
• 19:50
  But yeah, I mean, if that's a pattern every single week, then we'll eventually get hurt.
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  We'll eventually get done.
• 19:58
  But in a game at home, first game of the season, results important, I'm not too concerned.
• 20:04
  Happy days.
• 20:06
  Before we look ahead to this week, obviously we're through to the next round of the League Cup, we've got Wolves in the next round.
• 20:12
  Is the League Cup a realistic expectation for us this season?
• 20:16
  How far do you think we can go?
• 20:17
  It better than I'd be.
• 20:18
  I need a trophy, I need something in my life.
• 20:20
  I need to go to Wembley.
• 20:22
  Something in my life?
• 20:23
  Something in your life?
• 20:25
  Yeah.
• 20:26
  I was in a conversation yesterday and one of my close friends just put in the group a...
• 20:32
  This new Hoover I've bought is absolutely fantastic.
• 20:36
  This is how embarrassingly pathetic my life has become.
• 20:41
  And you know what, mate?
• 20:42
  I related to it because I bought a Samsung Hoover a while back and I was over the moon.
• 20:47
  I was like over.
• 20:48
  It was brilliant.
• 20:49
  It was so powerful.
• 20:50
  It was so easy to use and maneuver around.
• 20:53
  And yeah, I just thought, oh my God, you're on the same level as him.
• 20:58
  It's Everton's fault.
• 20:59
  Oh, it's Everton's fault that you're getting excited by a Hoover.
• 21:03
  Yeah.
• 21:04
  And most of all, out of it, you were getting excited by how hard it sucks.
• 21:09
  Well, that's not what I said, Leon.
• 21:13
  What does a Hoover do?
• 21:15
  Now you've took the contract.
• 21:17
  It picks things up off the floor, Leon.
• 21:19
  It sucks things up.
• 21:20
  And you were just being obsessed with how hard it works and how strong it is.
• 21:23
  It picks things up off the floor, Leon.
• 21:25
  Don't be disgusting.
• 21:26
  I wasn't.
• 21:27
  I just answered your question.
• 21:28
  Tiny little football mind and you're using it wrong.
• 21:34
  You're manipulating the words that I've used and you're using it in a sexual-based context.
• 21:39
  It's disgusting.
• 21:41
  I never mentioned anything like that.
• 21:43
  You are not well.
• 21:44
  You need Jesus.
• 21:45
  That's who you need.
• 21:46
  You need to go to church and have a talk to someone saying things like that.
• 21:51
  Yeah, I think he's past that point, to be fair.
• 21:53
  Don't think there's any say with him.
• 21:54
  So, Tony needs a cup, so he doesn't have too much fun with his...
• 21:58
  I mean, I was even looking at the dates.
• 22:00
  I'm so excited.
• 22:01
  I was looking at the dates, 24th of October.
• 22:03
  I mean, this is all done by January, isn't it?
• 22:06
  It's just... February usually.
• 22:09
  By then, you'll probably have a hairdryer that blows to be obsessed by, won't you?
• 22:15
  You'll have switched to a new merchandise.
• 22:17
  You're doing it again.
• 22:18
  You're doing it again, you sick man.
• 22:19
  You're not well...
• 22:21
  I'm telling my wife off you I'm just talking about electrical equipment that you seem to be getting excited by these days I just said, I didn't say I did I told you a friend put it in a group and then I just thought I could relate to it because quite a while back now I had the same feeling but I'm sorry I brought you up now take this out the pod Liam no I'd definitely say it in right Bournemouth this Saturday what do we think, positive going into it
• 22:50
  Tone?
• 22:51
  Yeah, I am.
• 22:53
  I'm positive, but I don't know.
• 22:55
  What were they doing their first game?
• 22:58
  Got beat by City last minute.
• 23:00
  They were winning at City, weren't they?
• 23:02
  And they were winning 1-0 for quite a period of time, weren't they?
• 23:04
  I was trying to think they played.
• 23:06
  Oh, OK. And theirs is a new manager as well, isn't it?
• 23:10
  There's quite a few new managers.
• 23:11
  That was Areola where he was at.
• 23:13
  Do you know what?
• 23:19
  I think we can beat them.
• 23:20
  And I'll tell you the reasons why.
• 23:21
  I think Everton are set up far better away from home.
• 23:26
  I just think it favours us when we go away from home.
• 23:29
  And I just think, Ozzy was spot on with what he said before.
• 23:32
  Yes, we might have less XG and less possession.
• 23:34
  But we'll let you on the break.
• 23:36
  And I just think, I think Tyreek George might be the difference this weekend.
• 23:41
  I think he'll be the one who'll get at them and do them.
• 23:43
  Because that boy is looking like a player who's now comfortable.
• 23:48
  He's comfortable in his own ability.
• 23:51
  And I think he's thinking, you know, I can make the difference here.
• 23:54
  I can make the difference.
• 23:55
  And he's shown glimpses of that against Palace.
• 23:58
  I think he'll go all the way and he'll do it fully this weekend.
• 24:03
  I hope so.
• 24:05
  I mean, maybe this is slightly negative, but I'd take a draw going away from Obanarset.
• 24:11
  You don't always have to piss on the parade, you.
• 24:12
  You can't just...
• 24:13
  I'm not... You're saying, Barry's deflected goals.
• 24:16
  You're saying, you didn't mean this.
• 24:18
  And now you tell us I'll take a draw and Jesus Christ.
• 24:21
  I was a tip of yours.
• 24:23
  No, I'm being positive.
• 24:25
  This is just where I start.
• 24:26
  I'd take a draw just because new manager, for them, first game at home, they'll be buzzing.
• 24:31
  They qualified for Europe, I think, last season.
• 24:34
  So they're feeling quite good.
• 24:38
  They've got some great players.
• 24:42
  And I think it's going to be tough.
• 24:44
  But as you just said, we are capable.
• 24:46
  We've shown last season we're good away from home.
• 24:47
  I would be slightly concerned if we play that two central midfielders again away from home.
• 24:55
  Armstrong and Hackney.
• 24:56
  I think that's different than being able to go away from home.
• 24:59
  When you go away from home, you have to be really solid right through the middle of the pitch.
• 25:02
  You can't allow people to play through in the way Palace did.
• 25:06
  That's why we had Garner and Idrissa last year, sort of in the middle, difficult to sort of break through that area.
• 25:14
  So I probably expect Garner to play actually, maybe with one of them in that role.
• 25:20
  And I think that will, no, not Noga, I don't think he's ready yet, but that will thicken us up.
• 25:26
  And I think that'll give us a better chance.
• 25:28
  So does that do us?
• 25:29
  Do I think we can win?
• 25:29
  We can definitely win.
• 25:31
  We've definitely shown we've got enough quality in the team to win and we've been good away from home.
• 25:34
  But I would take a draw.
• 25:36
  What does that say?
• 25:37
  You know what you say about the two centre midfielders?
• 25:39
  So you basically want one of them now in the away game that really just sits and doesn't go missing.
• 25:45
  He just sits there like Idrissa did.
• 25:48
  Yeah.
• 25:49
  Yeah, kind of.
• 25:50
  But you can't...
• 25:52
  In the way we play it, in terms of we have two sort of holding midfielders and, as you see, we all play ahead.
• 25:58
  So it's not like we play two that play ahead and one that just sits and moves across, in which case you know that person always sits and that person isn't going anywhere.
• 26:07
  Like we had Lee Carsley all them years ago, never went anywhere.
• 26:11
  we play it as a two so you never the balance would be wrong if you said that one of them always has to sit but they have to get their they have to get their communication good they have to get their understanding good of when to go distances between each other
• 26:27
  Make sure you never leave the middle of the park.
• 26:29
  Look at Liverpool against Newcastle.
• 26:31
  I don't know if you saw the other day that Newcastle first goal.
• 26:35
  Liverpool emptied their midfield.
• 26:37
  They were all over the place.
• 26:39
  That being said, you cannot do that in the Premier League.
• 26:43
  That's so naive for players.
• 26:44
  And if we've got the two young lads, Hackney and Armstrong...
• 26:49
  I just know there'll be a moment in there where they just lose that, concentrating that understanding and they'll both leave the middle of the pitch too open.
• 26:58
  And Bournemouth are very good in there.
• 27:00
  So I think I'd feel better if Jimmy Garner's playing about the understanding of that.
• 27:06
  Because I tell you what, we've... Yeah.
• 27:09
  No, we're going to win.
• 27:09
  I've changed your mind, Tony.
• 27:10
  We're going to go there.
• 27:11
  We're going to go here and win.
• 27:12
  It's better than us.
• 27:14
  Positivity.
• 27:17
  Score prediction?
• 27:19
  I think we'll win.
• 27:19
  Yeah, I think we'll win.
• 27:21
  Yeah.
• 27:22
  To be fair, Baltimore did look good.
• 27:24
  They did look good against City.
• 27:26
  But as you said, Tony, I do think we're quite good away from home.
• 27:29
  Tell you what, Dibblin would want to sink these as well, wouldn't he?
• 27:33
  That's an interesting one.
• 27:34
  Southampton-Bournemouth.
• 27:36
  Yeah.
• 27:36
  That rivalry.
• 27:38
  Dibbling would hopefully want to sink in 80s.
• 27:41
  Hopefully he's on the pitch to do the job to them.
• 27:44
  I mean, Oz, what's... Cos that's just literally the other end of the world, that place, it's so far.
• 27:52
  What's travelling like that?
• 27:53
  I mean, they're just going to fly, aren't they?
• 27:56
  They'll just be on a flight.
• 27:58
  You would have travelled today in the past.
• 28:00
  Did you always fly?
• 28:02
  Yeah.
• 28:04
  So, if you're going to London, this is what we always did, if you're going to London, cos Runcorn Station's really close to the training ground,
• 28:12
  Runcorn to London, two hours, 10, maybe just two hours, and then you're at your hotel, it's no problem.
• 28:19
  But Bournemouth and places like that, Portsmouth, Norwich, they were always a lot more difficult to get to train-wise.
• 28:26
  There's no direct train.
• 28:27
  There's, I think it's like a five hour drive, definitely more on a bus to try and get on a coach to get to these places.
• 28:36
  Liverpool Airport right there, it'll generally be a flight.
• 28:40
  And the preparation for the flight takes longer than the flight.
• 28:42
  It's probably a 30-minute takeoff to landing in the air, but maybe not even that.
• 28:48
  But by the time you check in and you get to the airport and all that, as everyone knows...
• 28:52
  That takes a little bit longer, but it's just easier.
• 28:56
  It's going to be tougher for the fans.
• 28:58
  That's why I always think you shouldn't be able to play, and this is across all the leagues, they shouldn't give you one of these games in a midweek.
• 29:06
  If you're doing a midweek fixture, it's got to be close.
• 29:08
  In the same way if you're doing a Christmas fixture, it's generally not a crazy distance away.
• 29:14
  Because when I was on loan at Carlisle,
• 29:17
  Because midweek fixture, Carlisle playing Oxford.
• 29:21
  In fact, Carlisle playing people on the south coast and you're like, Jesus Christ.
• 29:25
  You turn up and there's 50 fans that have made the journey and you're like, wow, that is some dedication.
• 29:31
  But Everton, we'll fill that section every single time down at Bournemouth.
• 29:36
  And yet it's a ridiculous travel time.
• 29:40
  But we never fail to fill a section.
• 29:43
  the toffees?
• 29:45
  Well, to round up this week, I'm flying at the top of the fantasy footy after the first weekend of Premier League action.
• 29:51
  I haven't even looked.
• 29:54
  How did you do?
• 29:56
  I think I got like 65 points, Tony's in second, but you two are like really, it's all really tight to be fair.
• 30:02
  Last of the week one, you just said 65 points, did you just say you battered us?
• 30:06
  I'm like, I'm on 58.
• 30:07
  I didn't say I battered yet, I said it's tight.
• 30:11
  I said I'm flying, that was like a transition from the fly.
• 30:14
  I'm flying, I'm just seven points clear, yeah.
• 30:20
  I got more points on my bench than my bloody team, I think, and I didn't use it.
• 30:24
  It's not good, is it?
• 30:26
  What surprised you from last weekend?
• 30:29
  There was a couple of upsets in the first weekend of the Prem.
• 30:34
  You're a little sneak palmer in your team, you dirty little sneak.
• 30:39
  We said he was going to come good this season.
• 30:42
  I've already made a sub for next week.
• 30:45
  I took, as I tried to be clever with James Madison in my team from Spurs, I figured they'd be all right.
• 30:51
  And then he came on a sub in the first game, even though I'd have started, ruined it.
• 30:56
  And then he's got injured, broke his shoulder for a few weeks.
• 30:58
  So I changed him, brought in Cole Palmer.
• 31:02
  And then Cole Palmer had to come off with 10 minutes to go of his game because he looked like he'd injured himself.
• 31:07
  Nightmare.
• 31:08
  I've had a bit of a stinker there.
• 31:10
  Who surprised me last week?
• 31:13
  Obviously Hull was the big surprise, beat a man United.
• 31:15
  2-0.
• 31:19
  Did anyone see that coming?
• 31:21
  Hull fans might have.
• 31:23
  United were poor.
• 31:24
  As much as Hull were good, United were poor.
• 31:26
  But that shows the difference in the Premier League because did you see his interview afterwards?
• 31:30
  Their managers came out and said, well, we've been watching because they only played a back five seven times last year, Hull.
• 31:38
  I asked you, horrible man.
• 31:41
  You horrible man.
• 31:42
  Why have you got a sack in your team?
• 31:44
  What are you doing?
• 31:46
  That is horrible.
• 31:48
  That's horrible, Ireland.
• 31:50
  couldn't afford Harlan you better save up and get him because that's not on we can't be having him in the team no I won't put reds in my team I mean when I'm struggling I would do like if they were flying there you go not that one not the one who scores the goals I'm in a few more leagues that don't make excuses if I don't have their players in then I get found out I get I need the points I'd just rather not talk about it though
• 32:20
  Yeah, so their manager came out and said, we saw that Man Utd struggled against a back five or against wing-backs during the whole of pre-season, especially in the Inter Milan game.
• 32:30
  So that's why we did it.
• 32:31
  And boy, did they continue to struggle against it.
• 32:34
  It was good management.
• 32:37
  You've got the options, you do your homework and you can get a tactical advantage.
• 32:43
  I think they'll bounce back this week, though.
• 32:45
  They've got Ipswich at home.
• 32:46
  I imagine Carrick will get some gear.
• 32:48
  Ipswich started well, Sunderland.
• 32:51
  They did.
• 32:53
  Yeah.
• 32:53
  Beat Sunderland.
• 32:54
  Yeah, I'd expect that.
• 32:56
  And then Forrest, I expected to beat Leeds at home, but good start for Leeds.
• 33:03
  Arsenal are doing well, aren't they?
• 33:05
  I mean, how have they picked up every concert?
• 33:07
  What a decent player he is.
• 33:09
  They've just come in and snapped him up, and I'm just like, what's going on?
• 33:13
  How many centre-halves do they want?
• 33:17
  I think Saliba's got a bit of an in.
• 33:18
  He's got a long...
• 33:19
  Yes, Saliba's got a while, isn't he?
• 33:21
  Yeah.
• 33:22
  But they already had one, they've got four good centre-offs.
• 33:27
  Their squad is... Their squad's not trying to win the Premier League this season.
• 33:32
  Their squad's trying to win a treble and a quadruple.
• 33:35
  Their squad's not just concentrating on the Prem now.
• 33:39
  They got to the Champions League final, they got to the late stages and finals of other cup competitions.
• 33:42
  They're...
• 33:44
  That squad doesn't say we're going to get over the line in the Premier League.
• 33:48
  Even if we got eight injuries, if they could get eight injuries and still win the Premier League with that squad.
• 33:54
  So they're after a lot more than that.
• 33:56
  It's good to see Spurs being Spurs-y.
• 34:01
  Spurs being Spursy.
• 34:04
  It was funny.
• 34:06
  All that money spent.
• 34:07
  I was at work and there's quite a few Tottenham fans there.
• 34:13
  I felt sorry for laughing at them, but I did.
• 34:15
  I did laugh.
• 34:17
  And laughed loudly.
• 34:18
  It was, as you say, being Spursy.
• 34:21
  They spent...
• 34:23
  Sorry, I think their midfield three was worth like £250 million or something along them lines.
• 34:29
  And they got outplayed by the lad Sangari, Mamadou Sangari, who was brilliant.
• 34:36
  He was class.
• 34:37
  And he was worth, what, about 39 million, 40 million?
• 34:40
  How was no one coming and got Adam Morton, mate?
• 34:46
  I would expect price tag.
• 34:48
  You think?
• 34:50
  Yeah, because everyone had won him, but...
• 34:53
  if you depend on how you have to play, availability, I don't know what his contract situation is.
• 35:00
  Because most of the people that are getting sold now and move, or a lot of them, have got like a year left on the contract.
• 35:06
  So they're getting to the point where the clubs are kind of forced into looking to sell because if they want to get any kind of money back for that player, then they have to.
• 35:16
  But if Wharton's got more than a year then,
• 35:20
  you're paying top price, you're paying far too much.
• 35:23
  I think he's a good footballer and everyone can do with good central midfielders.
• 35:29
  Yeah, there's not much time left on the transfer window now, is there?
• 35:32
  No.
• 35:34
  Here's a question for you, Tony.
• 35:35
  Yeah.
• 35:36
  Because we obviously want, I'm still trying to buy a right-back.
• 35:40
  Yeah.
• 35:40
  Probably interested maybe in a striker if one became available.
• 35:44
  Would you, obviously we want them, would you happily not sign any of those two players but keep Illyman and Dai, because there's a lot of noise around him at the minute, or which is more important?
• 35:59
  If we were to get a solid right-back, a striker, but someone's going to come in and nick Illy offers, Illyman and Dai offers.
• 36:07
  I'll answer that question.
• 36:08
  Where's that sit with you?
• 36:09
  I'm not sure you're happy with the answer, but...
• 36:11
  You've got to keep Illuminant out at all costs.
• 36:14
  And then you've got to get Jack Grealish back.
• 36:18
  Jack as well.
• 36:20
  He's linked to Sunderland at the minute, isn't he?
• 36:22
  He's not going there.
• 36:23
  Jacky boy knows what's good for him.
• 36:26
  Here's my take on the Jack Grealish situation, right?
• 36:30
  Would I have him back?
• 36:31
  Yes.
• 36:32
  Is he an amazing player?
• 36:35
  Yes.
• 36:35
  Is he a good sort of bit of experience for those around him?
• 36:39
  And it takes the ball in difficult situations and takes the pressure off our team?
• 36:44
  Yes.
• 36:45
  If we got him in, he would play near enough every single week on that left-hand side.
• 36:52
  And I think that stops the development of Tyreek George and potentially Diblin.
• 36:58
  And so if we get them back in now, Diblin and George have got another season of bit part player getting on for 10, because Moisey don't make subs till near the end, getting 10 minutes at the end and probably not getting the run of games that they need to really kick on.
• 37:16
  Whereas George showed enough in that first game maybe to...
• 37:20
  for us to sort of believe he can keep doing that.
• 37:24
  And then Dibbling might be able to.
• 37:25
  And then we've got Brennan Johnson.
• 37:27
  So I think if you bring Jack Grealish in as good as it is, it maybe hinders those other players.
• 37:34
  And although our squad's bigger and better...
• 37:38
  because of how much it'll cost us, probably, and because of his wages, all those things together just probably doesn't quite make sense for me.
• 37:48
  But I also wouldn't be upset if we got him.
• 37:50
  I mean... You know what I mean?
• 37:51
  He's going to come in as the highest paid player.
• 37:53
  He's going to come in.
• 37:53
  We'll have to sort of nick him for a fee.
• 37:55
  We'll have to...
• 37:55
  It just doesn't quite...
• 37:57
  I don't think there'll be a fee.
• 37:58
  I think there'll be a season long loan.
• 37:59
  They're going to try and get rid of...
• 38:01
  I don't know how it's going to go.
• 38:03
  Ultimately...
• 38:05
  We need a few more faces.
• 38:06
  The right-back situation's got to be sorted.
• 38:09
  Because Merlin Roll's done a great job Saturday, and as you said, but he's not a right-back.
• 38:13
  Let's just be all honest, he's not a right-back.
• 38:15
  And we've been playing square players in round holes.
• 38:21
  and you just can't keep doing it.
• 38:23
  Square players and round holes?
• 38:24
  I'm liking it.
• 38:26
  I'm trying to sign it.
• 38:27
  I don't know where that's come from, but it just came out with an answer.
• 38:30
  I've just got to own it.
• 38:33
  It is sort of a saying, but I think it's the wrong way around.
• 38:35
  Square players.
• 38:36
  Round pegs and square holes.
• 38:38
  I think it's the same.
• 38:38
  I don't know.
• 38:39
  It still works.
• 38:40
  It came out now.
• 38:42
  I'm just going to own it.
• 38:43
  It made sense to me.
• 38:44
  I told you my minds are tiny, a little bit bigger than ours.
• 38:47
  So, you know, it did make sense in the end.
• 38:49
  I got it.
• 38:50
  We're not talking about Hoobers and hairdryers so let's just leave that alone.
• 38:55
  But we need the right back mate.
• 38:57
  I'm gutted we missed out on Wan-Bissaka.
• 39:00
  But you don't understand why he'd choose Aston Villa.
• 39:04
  Yeah, they are out there though.
• 39:05
  As I said, I like the Newcastle Dedic come on and play for Newcastle at the weekend.
• 39:09
  I thought he would have suited us down to the ground.
• 39:12
  You've got Munoz who's
• 39:14
  Someone's just put a bid in for him yesterday.
• 39:17
  Is he gone?
• 39:17
  I thought he'd gone somewhere.
• 39:19
  Forrest.
• 39:19
  Leeds.
• 39:20
  Forrest have put a bid in for him.
• 39:21
  Obviously, Oliver Glasner.
• 39:23
  Trying to get him to follow him to Forrest.
• 39:26
  There are right backs out there.
• 39:27
  We can find them for the right price.
• 39:30
  And we all know we're still, Moises spokeily said, the board and hierarchy have also said we're after right back.
• 39:36
  Brings me on to Jake O'Brien and sort of saying that public, it seems that he's come out and said he doesn't want to play.
• 39:44
  He won't play right back anymore.
• 39:45
  He doesn't want to play right back.
• 39:48
  How do you feel about someone as a fan coming out and saying, I'm not prepared to do that anymore?
• 39:52
  Bearing in mind, we don't want him to play right back.
• 39:55
  And then following that up with, because he's not playing right back, he's now linked with leaving the club potentially.
• 40:03
  In my opinion, you're asking for trouble.
• 40:04
  As soon as you come out and speak it, I'm not going to do this, I'm not.
• 40:07
  The word I'm not doing that is, that's...
• 40:11
  Words, they're words.
• 40:13
  Yes, but them words are like, you know, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 40:20
  That's going on the attack in my opinion.
• 40:23
  I'm not doing this.
• 40:24
  It is.
• 40:26
  That's kind of, yeah, a manager doesn't want to hear that.
• 40:31
  I'm not playing in that position that you're telling me or asking me to do.
• 40:34
  That's not good.
• 40:36
  But that's just not.
• 40:37
  I was imagining you saying to the gaffer, I'm not playing there.
• 40:40
  I don't mind it.
• 40:42
  I don't think it goes down well in the squad either.
• 40:46
  But, Liam, what's your opinion?
• 40:49
  I kind of get it.
• 40:49
  I think he's definitely not a right-back.
• 40:52
  He's done it all season with no complaints.
• 40:54
  I think he's more on his right now to say, look, I want to compete for that centre-half space.
• 40:59
  And if you keep putting me right back, I'm not getting an opportunity to show what I can do there.
• 41:02
  He's got his own career in his mind as well.
• 41:04
  He needs to show that he can play centre-back at the top level, which he hasn't really been given that ability in the Premier League as of yet.
• 41:11
  So I don't mind it.
• 41:12
  And I think it could be taken two ways.
• 41:14
  Either he's causing a fuss or actually he wants to show that he can do the job there at centre-back for us.
• 41:20
  And he might see himself as potentially better than James Tarkowski.
• 41:25
  Yeah, well, so the thing is, it's fine if he comes in and competes now.
• 41:32
  I don't think he's ever going to just come in and go, right then, you're our starting centre-back when you make those statements.
• 41:37
  So you're going to have to stay and fight for your spot against the club captain.
• 41:42
  Now, if you're prepared to do that,
• 41:44
  fine, great.
• 41:45
  But if he's now saying, well, I can't see me playing and I don't want to sit on the bench, so actually let's force a move through to somewhere else, then that's not the right attitude.
• 41:55
  If you want to come in and say, I don't want to play right back anymore, but I tell you what, I believe in myself and I'm going to compete and it might take me a few weeks or a couple of months to get them out or if they get injured, I'm getting me a chance and I'm taking it.
• 42:09
  Like I said, the midfielders did at the weekend, then I'm all over it.
• 42:13
  because I don't like the thought of, well, I expect to play, and if I'm not playing, I'm just going to leave.
• 42:20
  For a few years, that's on him.
• 42:22
  As a squad and a team, can Jake O'Brien potentially be our centre-back for the next four or five years?
• 42:30
  Yeah, he can.
• 42:32
  I think if he was a vocal Tarkovsky-type leader, then every chance he'd be playing now, but the team needs its voice, and Tarky's that guy at the minute.
• 42:42
  Yeah.
• 42:43
  I've heard a lot of people saying Tarkovsky might have one season left in him, maybe at the top, maybe not even that.
• 42:49
  Well, that screams to me if I'm Jake O'Brien.
• 42:51
  Well, I'm going to make sure, although I'm not doing it to my teammate, but I'm going to make sure that only lasts three months.
• 42:57
  I'm going to make sure that I force my way in because we'd be crazy to let Jake O'Brien go.
• 43:02
  We can't keep him if he's really thrown his toys out the pram and forcing a move through because he's not playing.
• 43:10
  But I don't think he'd do that.
• 43:12
  So we'd be crazy to let him go because he's a potential good, solid centre-back that can work moving forward.
• 43:18
  But I just want him to stay and force himself into the team over the next three to six months.
• 43:26
  I really do, and I'd be happy with that.
• 43:28
  You know what?
• 43:29
  He's potentially got a world-class partner next to him in Jarrod Brantwaite.
• 43:35
  Because Jarrod Brantwaite is... Jarrod Brantwaite could be that Rolls-Royce
• 43:40
  He just needs more minutes on the pitch, more time.
• 43:43
  Stay away from injuries.
• 43:44
  But I'm telling you now, that boy's a player.
• 43:46
  I've seen him over the years at our football club.
• 43:48
  And he is definitely one.
• 43:49
  He is.
• 43:50
  He is.
• 43:52
  I'm not going to say it's John Stones quite yet, but I'm telling you now, mate, he's got some similarities that I see between him and Stones when Stones first come to the club.
• 44:01
  And I just think he needs minutes on the pitch and time on the pitch.
• 44:04
  And he will show exactly what he can do.
• 44:06
  I think Jared Brantley's right up there.
• 44:08
  So for someone like Jake O'Brien, I want to be playing with you.
• 44:11
  And if, or what Ozzy's just said, they're spot on.
• 44:13
  If I have to see through a bit of a difficult period...
• 44:16
  but I let the manager know, right, I want to play centre-half, but I'm here to stay.
• 44:20
  I'll help you in any way I can, but I do want to play centre-half.
• 44:24
  It's whether players these days, I don't know that they have these conversations with the manager.
• 44:28
  Does he go up to his office and say to him, listen...
• 44:31
  I think he's on his last legs and I know him better than him, but I understand why he's playing.
• 44:35
  He's the voice of the team and he keeps everyone together.
• 44:38
  Do them conversations still go on, do you think, Cos?
• 44:41
  I hope so.
• 44:42
  But one of the things I would do if I was Jake O'Brien is I'd be then showing to the manager, right, listen to me in the next three months.
• 44:49
  I'm going to be vocal.
• 44:50
  I'm going to shout.
• 44:51
  I'm going to moan.
• 44:52
  pull people into position I'm going to be, I'm going to turn into that voice.
• 44:56
  It might not be my normal character but it's one of the things I now need to show and improve and do to get into the team alongside Jarrett Branthwaite who you're right he's a Roll Royce, his injuries is his only question mark really because he kept getting those injuries and
• 45:15
  It has kept other clubs away from him.
• 45:17
  There's been no talk of him leaving because no one's paying the money that we'll demand with his recent injury issues.
• 45:25
  So that's been okay for us.
• 45:28
  With Jake O'Brien, I think he just needs to figure out a way of...
• 45:31
  performing every day and training and maybe keep on in Moyes' ear after every once a week.
• 45:37
  You know, I think I did all right there.
• 45:38
  I'm not far away.
• 45:39
  Make sure I'm there.
• 45:40
  Make sure you know because that also shows a little bit of sort of leadership.
• 45:45
  But I did find it funny that
• 45:48
  Jake O'Brien sort of made that statement.
• 45:51
  He didn't play at the weekend.
• 45:53
  And then going into this Carabao Cup game, I thought he'll start him in that game.
• 45:58
  Nope.
• 45:59
  Michael Keane played.
• 46:00
  Jake O'Brien sat on the bench.
• 46:01
  Unused substitutes.
• 46:02
  Basically, I think Moisey's testing him.
• 46:06
  I do, and to say, let's see how you react to this then.
• 46:08
  You've obviously come out and made them statements.
• 46:10
  Let's see how your character is over this next week.
• 46:13
  Let's see if you respond well.
• 46:15
  Let's see if you sulk.
• 46:16
  Let's see if you try and force through a move.
• 46:18
  Let's see what you're made of over this next few weeks because you've obviously just been disappointed there.
• 46:23
  You've not started either the first two games.
• 46:25
  You're not going to start the third.
• 46:26
  I think we all know that.
• 46:28
  Let's see what you've got, and it'll be interesting to see what he comes back with.