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Booktalk with Harriet Ashford and Gabriel Michael! · Moms That Read

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Mom's The Read podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Kaylee, and I'm a Kinsey, and we are joined by in the author, Carrie A. Asher, the mastermind behind the characters you probably need at therapy over, especially under this last book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you a Michael the voice behind characters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You definitely fell in love with and colluding a certain shadow-wielding daddy fan favorite from
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I was just telling here, like before we hopped on, I was like, if, like, I'll tell my best friends that we were interviewing you and I was like, if Lucien has a fan, it is one of my best friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, we're interviewing him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, you mean Lucien.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I mean, yeah, but data and it's just like, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get that a lot of times they're like, Zaden's okay, pollution's everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting because like in the I feel like in the book world Lucien's just kind of like Lucien like wherever I think that's like because they're they get introduced to me usually via the shadow daddy voice Yeah, hop up into a more kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: jokes or light-hearted sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in general, like there's a character with the most recent book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She heard it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can do that voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's actually my go-to voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all got introduced to something that I had to kind of grow into, which was like the growly voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you didn't start out doing like the growly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I started off like if I could I could get into that range, but I couldn't necessarily sustain it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what you get is illusion does it in book one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And graphic audio is version like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a like a gentile type of deep deep kind of anger more than the empiric as opposed to like warrior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a I'm used to a Lucian type of character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he says he's husky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when the women are the bog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's first when the women were like, yo, who is this boy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That one, he's not, I'm looking to meet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then you did Zaden and everybody's like, oh my gosh, Zaden opened up a lot of tours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very fortunate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's always amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, so how did you two first end up working together?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I ended up, um, was we were talking about doing a duet performance and I was talking to Marie about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was like my, my hope for, um, love and coaches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, a, but I didn't have like the budget for it necessarily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then a ghost writing job just like fell into my lap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like the ink had not dried on the check.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was texting Marie and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, yeah, not only do I think that it's enough for the project.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's enough to be picky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just like, okay, well, if we're being picky, there's a certain shadow daddy voice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to have and so I ended up stalking him on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I found his website, pulled up his email, and I drafted the most awkward thing you've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it was so bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Have of it was me like talking about like how much I love Gabriel's work, but the other half was like all the reasons why like I understand why he wouldn't want to take on my project and all of this
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, so I ended up texting Maria.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you know what, I'm not gonna send this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a waste of his time and she's like, what do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fine, just do it, just send it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the worst I could happen to it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that he says no?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, okay, fine, sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just embarrass myself, no big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I send it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, my email's really weird, and then I can tell when someone opens an email.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so like, I could see he opened it and no response.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like a normal person who has confidence will be like, Oh, he's just busy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or he just like is thinking about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, OK, that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a rejection.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's time to come back to Earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we started talking to like normal regular people about like auditioning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And within 24 hours, Gabriel message back and said, yeah, he was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now that's exactly how we feel messaging authors like, hey, Jonathan, come on our podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We really love the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when narrators who were like really in demand for a particular genre, they can get, they can still up really, really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any social media platform.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we, I say we, the people I've worked with, you know, when I have a system.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you be surprised how almost on a first name basis we, we already are before we, we meet you all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny that you said I responded the same day because I do remember just, I can see the subject line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can see the name, Harriet, which you don't see all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every email has personality and character that that is definitely picked up by it on by the no matter how busy the person is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll save people who send gosh, I'm going to open the floodgates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even fan mail like the ones that are actually really lengthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the ones that I'm actually really sitting there reading through and by the end of it, you've brought me in, you know, and there's certain times where it's like, oh gosh, I'm so busy, but a lot to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A writer and this talent, it actually makes me feel at ease when a person has a lot to say in a pitch, because I can sense that they're hard to in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that artists, that's what I'm looking for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it like hearing your characters come to life through someone else's voice for the first time?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so incredible and I know that there's authors out there and I get it where they can't listen to their audiobooks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for me, there's enough of a buffer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can't usually read my books after they're published, but when there's an audiobook, there's enough of a buffer, where it's like someone is telling me a story, and I can just get lost in it again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just get to enjoy it first of all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then second of all, when you have talent, like Gabriel and Marie, where they're really,
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[SPEAKER_03]: encompassing the character they're paying attention to all the little details.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They really do come very close to how I pictured it in my head, which is a trip because it's like this was born from like a shower thought or like me dropping my kid off at the bus stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and now I'm hearing the voices come to life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is so cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you are, you write your books very readable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I try to, we try to make every book sing, even if it doesn't fit in our, in our mouth easily, how that's, to say, but Harry, it's a writing, it's really smooth, like Harry, dialogue, you're in dialogue and I'm just so happy that you paired Gabe with, with like, you gave a, you gave a good
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so enjoyable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You made him funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, we all have everyone can write for the opposite gender and make them funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I want to say, I don't know what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially that literally you had me cackling on one, three with the bird shirts like the bird because I was like, I don't spit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I and I said bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I Audibly cackled because that was so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't want to shirt this as that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to do that for merch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That needs to be a rich 100%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We all need to be walking around with I don't spit ice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you come.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You come to Greenville on June 6 and I will get a shirts made that say I'm aware of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw my degree go away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: South Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did a contract in Greenville.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 2014.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a traveling for Dr. Shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Upper Warehouse Theater was doing of mid-Summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we're from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to reveal that whole little downtown district.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still so pretty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just over the bridge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've done so much with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, since I graduated my high school in 2014.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, like since then, it has blown up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of really cool things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we just did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like an author panel at a book event like so at the breweries that do like a bunch of indie author tents like it's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see anything at the warehouse theater or the first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's pretty important to be able to build up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were doing it was really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, do you two talk about character voices beforehand or do you just kind of let him run with what he sees fate?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I really don't give you a Gabriel a lot of direction, and I don't know if that makes your job harder Gabriel, but my whole thing is I did not give any direction on Trevor and just the way he absolutely, when I tell you when I heard him reach Trevor's lines, I was so floored because he nailed this character so perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hate to to like give direction and then like squash your creativity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we don't really talk too much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, right, Gabriel a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about Jude briefly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel I think honestly for the second one, it was just Jude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does he, how does he sound?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, though, like, I should have had it around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This, if you feel like it makes me look bad, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, you should, I mean, we're, this was booked too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you already work out, or you don't have to go back to the drawing board and do all of the stuff you do at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I remember both times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did want a little bit more with how the characters were gonna sound because I always do not first chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm both of the books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a spinkticky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, are these characters like, are you really doing it up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but the writing is so good by the next chapter and everything is like, and I wanted to avoid this time around and I was like, I should have asked about Jude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I make a choice, and usually always make a choice and go with the choice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, to commit to it, I don't, which that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do this anymore, but for the longest time, I would be unsure about how I wanted a character to sound, and just think it would be okay for them to go in and out of a different character voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're a couple of times more chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would, no, you can't do this and so we'd do it up like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He so specifically written, I could have been super, super, super.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I said, you gave it, it's like, you don't have to give everything away on the first scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay if you get super distinct and an establishing scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you want to try and get into it, you find the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that was really long-winded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, if you're not using one, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, we love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so kind of going off of that, Gabriel, like, what is it like kind of immersing yourselves into, they were like, well, was your favorite part of guess immersing yourself into both game and Trevor and put that these books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like not for myself, but I just finished Trevor, so if I go back to, oh, too, right, that's book too, Harriet, even though it's in title.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's book three of the series.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The one with Gabe, Dave is good too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, that one was like a more standard character and a more standard progression of views to not the plot, not the specific of the sports, but just kind of like you know, I should.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll guy in a few words that are self-loathing, so that's like your standard fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you get into dialogue, you really feel like you're projecting lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You feel like not back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you really, you as the actor can feel that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should always focus on the scene, but you can really tell when you're in a book, especially
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[SPEAKER_00]: When that conversation, you don't even think about it anymore, you know, it just, you're completely taken there, um, I feel like you were really detailed with the way you wrote Gabriel's sorrow in his pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, and sometimes bring into these stories, sometimes gets either overblown or not deep enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, but it's a hard line to draw to
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[SPEAKER_00]: that would like set him off or bring up bad memories within him and then you really drilled those those specific things and you really like told it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, I had to fight my gravity in the first after I was like, you're just talking to my own minute because you're so used to everything being measured and control I'm like, oh my, acting and then it was like, but that was really great about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had berries, Trevor has various big hangups too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in on you pick something specific and you're like, we're not going to just mention it and what and then twice when it's like there you kiss and and for me
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, the first day of her, I did her book in two days, uh, the third one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did in two sessions that very first day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had slept on it the night before recording for the first day of book three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had never I have some time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe slept on something wrong and it hurt this felt like my arm was broken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like to stand and all I have to do with my arm, my right arm is just my track pad kind of lives here as I scroll and I have a doc like her in this hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt literally, I really had things I can't I was like it's getting worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even when I was like, okay, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna have to switch to this arm, even lying stationary, I felt it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Excruciating, getting worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my gosh, and then all of a sudden Trevor hurts himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: verb in more painful for her to be hurt in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a hard day of recording because of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He sounds like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I meant so much for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we heard himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was meant to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the narration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just the dialogue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the narration like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows.
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[UNKNOWN]: Who?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was every time it would come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, because there was in so much pain, I did not think I was going to finish that day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was going to talk about self-care, look this little narrator when I call the shots at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm waiting for the wind to blow weird to be like, it's forever according to more today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any excuse?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This would have done it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, I was like, you've banged out 60% of this book, and it's the moment the moment my actual pain got to connect with the pain of the character,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know longer you said paint like most of the book especially as the end so that works out and you believe it and now you know why
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna be so excited to listen or I know I'm just gonna go I can listen to you guys are gonna love it And I was talking to Gabriel about this and why our engineer Johnny was like don't listen to the raw audio Just wait till we get to do it in there nice and good I see Gabriel drop the files and I'm like bad
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you did this and you told me because it's a lesson to learn, because I sometimes tell myself, I think God is going to hear this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was so much pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's never full on sentences, but you will hear for me like, y'all don't hear it, because it's just me like, and you will hear,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm just had to be at least one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I would marry or your work, but they're having a bit, I'm point where I was like, Johnny, I can't take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in so much pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this suspenseful part of it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, tense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now we're going to ping pong some questions back and forth, Harriet, which FMC of yours do you relate to the most?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, does it have to be an FMC?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because the answer is Trevor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Trevor without a doubt, like they even thought I asked my husband this question and I said, which female main character am I and he's like your Trevor?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like the golden retriever talks too much has no filter on the most 80D I can't and it when people are mad at me and like you know how Trevor every time like he's scared not every time but when he's scared or in pain he'll often deflect with humor and that's you to which man I love that so much I the moment you were like Margot is a black cat I was like
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we are Margot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are Margot through and through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Gabriel, how difficult is it to make voice changes for different characters and you were using so many technical terms like I'm so just impressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like is there a certain one that you think has been the hardest?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess you kind of talked about that with Zaden too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you grew into that essentially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now Zaden is like a reliable voice I can go to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like these days the voices have done the job and enough to wear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sticking with voices that I know how to do, you know, I still take my time with them just to to push my efforts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like what it is, it's tropes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like difficult for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The tropes that is hard is the character that's like they're probably like garrick almost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're bigger than they're physically bigger than the main dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not as, they're not as serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like I end up just coming up with like this like stereotypical like throw man and I'm just, I feel so hacky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it sounds great sometimes, but I'm like, and it's such a trope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hear it in anime, but I'm like, there's gotta be a way to just like bring that here to type out and make it just even more human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what happens is I'll do a character like that and then they'll be like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I, I, I, I, I, if you give me characters books that switch voice types, I act, I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps me interested if freeze at my voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The worst thing is they're like, here's all my mail leads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all deep and growly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Once, I'm all out of ideas.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you don't get it, you said, you know, it's encourage just to make a PSA.
19:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I encourage all authors.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, have your shadow daddy character.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
19:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Oil sounds like he's here.
19:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen guys, you know I promise you listen to their actual voice.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be like wait.
20:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They have like a tenor voice.
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Men are like really talking down here.
20:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I like as a reader though I also don't want that like I wanted to be like so different among all the male characters or even the female characters Like I want it all different and so that makes complacent.
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I think
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I would get genuinely so confused if they were all the same like us to who was speaking in that moment.
20:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it better to differentiate.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: This author's asking us all the time to ask me what would help you, best characters, but also give me free creative control.
20:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always like stick to voice types.
20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Texture, high voice, low voice, mid voice.
20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: That, okay, sick.
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guarantee you've used authors.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: If you start doing that, you will start ending up with those books that you want with characters that all sound very complete different.
20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes they may want that, but they don't realize that they gave everyone the same kind of descriptors.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just tripping that he's giving me so many different voices right now.
21:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, what made you want to write?
21:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry, it's some suspense into the public love and exposure.
21:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that question because it's not that I was like, oh, let me write a romantic suspense.
21:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It was that I had this idea.
21:24
[SPEAKER_03]: for Trevor and Margo and I was just praying I could make it work like in the scope of a rom-com because I'd already had the expectations in these two books that they're like in fun and flirty and now I'm like oh so here they're gonna be gonna be held at gunpoint and you know yeah I don't know so it was it was it was really hard to get the balance right
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I was completely floored.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You had me until the very end.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting it, not at all.
21:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was like, no, it's not good.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to keep certain things a secret for myself in the booth.
22:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And you.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, obviously, the fact that I felt like I sounded a little bit all over the place of first, it's actually good because he was always hiding some dirt, or if I like, there's something going on here.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that was fun to play.
22:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, actually because like, in the first book, when we have shadow daddy, I'm so trained that like, even in even in real man.
22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So not real man to see where the lot of that.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trained that like when you got a growlty dude is the main character,
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: The person who's slided the female, the FMC is gonna die.
22:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna die.
22:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, wait, it's, it's something that it's a lot.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's something that's a lot.
22:40
[SPEAKER_00]: We do.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to play that, but you got to play that aggression, that's what's happening in this.
22:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's not that serious and like, okay, I'm like, we're skipping this, but with Trevor, I was like, when I started when it would happen and it went that way, I said, no, I'm happy to play the drama and like, I'm happy to be like, if people know that.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have spoilers.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: People might die and I feel like it was like, okay, like, I got to kill someone because I'm like the main dude.
23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, man, you are in pain and they're playing in your face.
23:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They're stepping on my arm hurts.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Got a hate for this.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You, I'm sorry, but you had to get it.
23:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so cinematic too.
23:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So cinematic again, like I don't want to give away too much either, but when you did the line Jude said Oh, I think that'll work for our little bird.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh Gabriel Oh, okay.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is coming out.
23:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is like two weeks Before they get off here.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so we can spoil
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, perfect.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So Gabriel, can you give us an overview of kind of what the process for reading books like looks like because like I feel like I just hearing you talk about it had no clue what this process looked like for narrators and voice actors like not a single clue.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, where do you want me to begin acquiring the books?
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Post like.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: decision with authors in like kind of like how reading kind of plays out.
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said it took you two days to record which is insane.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I thought it took so much.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I did too.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's even crazier is that when people are actually brought in studio by a publisher they're they were being out of a book of that link in the single session.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Like five or six out.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I could do that.
24:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I would want my voice to like
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like kind of to be preserved, but that happens all the time and for me, I could probably
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's self-care, I'm like, let me give you an hour of finished audio a day or whoever I'm working for, if it's narration, but I am trained to do around two and a half hours.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done more than that, like I'm trained to kind of do two and a half hours of finished audio.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can accomplish, especially in romance books or romance, see where the mail doesn't necessarily have like 80% of the title that
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And you two and a half hours over two sessions, you know, five hours, that may be more than enough for what is I'm I think for this one, I think definitely I feel like that was able to knock it out in two sessions, however, you have to work up to that endurance.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say plan for 45 minutes of finished audio.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, that is not going to seem like on paper a lot of audio.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That you start, you will spend two hours in that studio.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a deliver.
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's two and a half hours to deliver.
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hitting off all the jargon today.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I love it, I'm literally like teacher hard learner all the time.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like eating this up.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I love so just curious.
26:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, and because I always say like, take your time for even people who if you hear this podcast wanting this narration and you're like, I booked the book.
26:23
[SPEAKER_00]: When should I set the
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: like a deliverables.
26:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Give yourself so much time.
26:30
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a job that is so amazing to do, but you can completely break yourself doing it and hate, and hate read a book.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: This takes them in a, um, so that's what that looks like.
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Always set your booth up in a way that is easy to get in and get out.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You get into the zone.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I have such an instant relationship with my microphone that I've learned that if I'm like I want to bring that magic to the studios I have to work in when I go outside of the booth.
27:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So Harriet, what may I do want to write?
27:05
[SPEAKER_03]: about an Iron Man like have you ever done one or is it like a goal of yours to do what this is a long story and I'll try to shorten it but essentially my husband and I were training for an Iron Man right at 2020 and so we had done all this work and the race got canceled.
27:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's like, man, I'm telling when I tell you like hours of my very limited weekend time like on the bike I'm waking up at four in the morning to like do the workouts and it is so intense and so I got canceled and we're like, okay, it's fine.
27:39
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do the next one.
27:41
[SPEAKER_03]: No, of course it gets canceled for it.
27:43
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not three times.
27:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And finally we're like, you know what, we're just going to do one on our own.
27:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like I'm not an iron man.
27:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't actually do the race, but I did the 140.6 miles.
27:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow with them.
27:55
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Still in our man.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that no that we're done or we'll do things in our life husband and up.
28:03
[SPEAKER_03]: So that by the time that the race was actually like on like they they finally like did it I was pregnant at the time and so my husband did the race and he ended up grabbing me a metal and a shirt and all this and I was sobbing He's like you're in man.
28:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so sweet.
28:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just oh
28:23
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a little bit of a retriever.
28:24
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a little bit.
28:26
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a little bit.
28:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit.
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit.
28:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I was telling Harriet last time I was in Texas.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: the people who are able, look, I'm single.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not judging.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But the people who do this job as an author, the ones that really thrive, have really great support systems in the form of an often.
28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I got to see him in action, and it was always like, oh, this is why she's so great at her job, she could help them all.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's so sweet.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: For that, we love all the book husbands that I do have the things behind the scenes.
28:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So for sure.
29:00
[SPEAKER_03]: it would be so easy for him to be like, you're spending all this money on this, you're spending all the time on this and it's never like that with him.
29:08
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you know what?
29:09
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a family effort.
29:10
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to make it work.
29:11
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really lucky.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll talk some.
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So sweet.
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So Gabriel, how did you get into reading and narrating for audiobooks?
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what did that journey for you look like?
29:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be an audiobook narrator is
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
29:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, my very first, sorry, 14, or at least 14, my very first play was a great expectation.
29:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I didn't get any of the extra curricular plays that year.
29:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really tough school, and I got into this one.
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had never been any old timey type of situation.
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, now I know it's Victorian literature by chose.
29:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was blown away by all the voices that were in this play and I took the whole play was three hours long and I memorized every line.
30:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I also had a speech impediment.
30:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what was killing me.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I want to act.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But these students are such good speakers here.
30:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:12
[SPEAKER_00]: A confidence.
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at that age.
30:14
[SPEAKER_00]: These people did.
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like,
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I only have like three lines that can really get them out in this dialect, in this accent, this cadence, and so I practice and practice and practice and practice and then I never forget.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I was practicing over the summer, so bad.
30:31
[SPEAKER_00]: My speech in general, because I was always self conscious about it.
30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And...
30:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like day one of my American studies class and we were reading this poem and I was like can I read she's sure and then afterwards she was like you could be a books on tape reader just it was I needed to hear that because I was like the entire summer no I love that that is such a beautiful story
30:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Amen.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything kind of all.
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Really wise.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like Riley Davis has this really powerful interview where she talks about.
31:03
[SPEAKER_00]: She had to learn that like you can't leave yourself at the door.
31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to bring a room and a lot of times when you start acting when you're young too, least for me, I felt like everything about me had to be left at the door.
31:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, something after who was known for transforming.
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It was never like okay, like bring my natural charm and this like step on to the same talk because I didn't think I had any and I believe so it was always like a night and day switch when I was performing But it made me feel very safe and protected but during that time when I recorded that that same week
31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a company that was doing audiobooks, and they needed, I'm back stage, and full time, and they wanted to cast a woman, and a man, to do partner-ation.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: created a devil on garage band on my phone.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what a soundproof space is.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I am saying my favorite anime lines, thinking about, nope, oh, it.
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're the most famous lines in anime.
32:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's popular from part two.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Throwing music behind it, and I sent it on.
32:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a hundred applicants they set, and they needed it down to like 12.
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they had us come in and do scenes for like what we thought this was voiceover, but I'm ready to act.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready, I'm ready to act.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, um, they offer me the job on the spot and that's not usually how you enter the industry You don't usually drive you that does it Right, sure is or independent authors and they just
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a lot of work.
32:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, yeah, I had to learn.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, you said you wanted this, but do you I had a lot of fails before I got mine.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
32:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's so amazing.
32:43
[SPEAKER_02]: We went from that like heartfelt story.
32:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to ask Harriet who her favorite bookboy friend is.
32:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so, and are you talking about my books?
32:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
32:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's like, you guys are moms, you should know better.
32:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I, that's like asking like, who's your favorite child?
32:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I can not.
33:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I can not.
33:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, but I don't know if you're my boyfriend.
33:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't know, again, like, I don't, I'm like thinking, I want to say Zaden because Gabriel's right here.
33:12
[SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, God, I don't know.
33:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't know though.
33:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
33:22
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many good ones.
33:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I do love a good guess.
33:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
33:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't read that one yet.
33:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I do love a good guess.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then who is your favorite MC from your story?
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We can make it win.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We can make it win.
33:35
[SPEAKER_03]: We can make it win.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: We can make it win.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We can make it win.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We can make it win.
33:38
[SPEAKER_03]: We can make it win.
33:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh.
33:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that is hard.
33:43
[SPEAKER_03]: That's hard again because they were all my favorite.
33:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because like,
33:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Gabriel.
33:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the girl in my favorite energy.
33:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
33:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I love writing Gabriel because his back story really resonated with me.
33:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like it was really healing.
34:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I love writing Trevor because it was just so natural.
34:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just knew exactly what he needed to say.
34:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.
34:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I get pick a favor from the two.
34:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I love back to, but I think I didn't write from
34:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, that's fair.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, April.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you talk about this to you?
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have your own space that you record in or do you hop around to different places?
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I have my own space and I got my own space problem within.
34:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Once I started working at that audiobook job, the very first one, that was December of 2019.
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So then three later, COVID hit.
34:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And for a month, I was working out of that narrator Rebecca studio because she had a space to fill.
34:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I realized you need to build one now.
34:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And so all of the money that we were getting from the government, I was just like, microphone this week.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:57
[SPEAKER_00]: literally have the opportunity to do this.
35:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I got it in sound and lights, but I was never good at building and it was so embarrassing because like my rival was great at buildings.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you like dang he could have leveled up.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
35:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I sure did.
35:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have six of these suckers.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I'm just saying, I sense a book brewing with your rival.
35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I was always thinking, I'm like, let me write some notes here.
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Go.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
35:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But write this down here.
35:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You come on.
35:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't write a book.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
35:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Which couple was your favorite to write about?
35:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't.
35:32
[SPEAKER_03]: You must have picked one, I don't know, I really truly, I love different things about all of them, I don't know, I can't I wouldn't imagine it's too early to pick.
35:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just like you could talk about like I feel like when you're like 80.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be like, you know what you want I'm looking good matter So I'm talking you know Yeah, I mean, I'm too close still to them.
36:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry This is my friend I read the trouble with love and
36:18
[SPEAKER_02]: True, man.
36:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've been around since then.
36:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I think like Trevor is just he was so funny.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I like I loved any time they were trying to be serious It was like joke.
36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: The real Michael's MCs are just like, kind of hammy.
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'm sorry, like, I had to grab the groin to like, I'm going to pull it out.
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pull it in.
36:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not to be like, I've got to be like, I'm going to pull it out.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pull it out.
37:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, now, each member was returned to form.
37:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I'd be like, like, and not taking this series.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So not that's like, no, because you see what Joe got into.
37:12
[SPEAKER_03]: He went in.
37:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I love that.
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That was perfect.
37:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, okay.
37:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so glad that you guys love Trevor and I, I've had a lot of, a lot of people say the saying that that he's their favorite, I was really afraid to write him because he wasn't like the masculine.
37:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
37:31
[SPEAKER_03]: He just very playful.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were plenty of times where I was like, okay, Trevor.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I was like, okay, okay, that's it.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: This comment about you got me there.
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like sometimes I feel there's a feel a little like naughty when it's like when I'm playing.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the right thing is a little bit more of a goof.
37:53
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little man, but like I kind of forget a little bit because it's not as serious.
37:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like a tone will come into, I'm so in the moment, it's like,
38:07
[SPEAKER_00]: and then I'll be like, hey, they're all positive.
38:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I deliver that in the sauce?
38:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, this is what's natural.
38:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Or like the bird, yeah, I'm starting the bedroom.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is true.
38:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's not like honestly one of my favorite MMCs because I'm just like, yeah, not everyone needs to see that side.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love it.
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: We love the shatter daddy, but like,
38:32
[SPEAKER_01]: We married trevers.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: A hundred percent.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's fun to get that as well.
38:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we did not marry Shadow Daddy.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: We married trevers.
38:41
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
38:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
38:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So Gabriel, do you like to read outside of audiobooks?
38:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like are you a?
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, reader, I'll be honest.
38:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
38:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot read a book doing so much.
38:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to listen.
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I realized I rather read a book been listened to an audio book.
39:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I only like listening to audio books.
39:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to hear a voice echo around an environment.
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Gemini.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We're reading every day online.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm scrolling every day.
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I love reading.
39:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to read
39:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Neural sun is obsessed when I retire.
39:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The other day, what was like F1, I used to be a voice for a YouTube channel that was F1.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He was British.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a temp voice.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like me back after eight voices.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: People were like, who is this pride?
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, sorry.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tapping.
39:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a necklace down in F1.
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know about it, oh.
39:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen F1 books, but I've never read one, but now I want to.
39:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So good, like, we're not doing it right.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the food we did rivalry.
39:46
[SPEAKER_02]: No, okay, well, we're going to have to look at some F1 books now because I'm interested.
39:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested.
39:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to the list.
39:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Harriet, when you write, do you listen to music?
39:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Or do you listen to like a song that describes each couple?
40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely depends, so whenever I am like, because a bit part of writing is just thinking about it, it's like away from the keyboard and away from like journals.
40:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And so whenever I'm writing a specific book, like I always have a playlist that I'll listen to, but when like I sit down, until like getting in the mood and like to be thinking about what's going on, but whenever I sit down to actually start writing,
40:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't have any lyrics.
40:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, shut up.
40:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't think.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what I actually do is I listen to video game music a lot of the time because it was made to you focus.
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a charm.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
40:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a story.
40:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been my classroom.
40:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I, so you can be like Zelda, Lofa, even, or I love Kingdom Hearts music.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to introduce some stuff.
40:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love that.
40:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I would love that.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: the solid.
40:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so do you like to make the playlist for like the minute?
40:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I do, but like every time some like I've had teen trouble members ask me for my playlist they're like, oh, I like my music pace is so like all over the place.
41:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like to share them.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Gabriel, who has been your favorite fantasy voice to do?
41:20
[SPEAKER_00]: fantasy voice, it's gotta be, it's gotta be Zaden, it does have to be Zaden.
41:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say some of the other ones that are like him that I'm kind of getting cast, like God's and monsters, very different, but like, I would say it's that type in general.
41:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they make it seem so sterile by breaking it down to an archetype, but that's really what it is.
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I get to tell that type of story.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: but hidden pain that carefully measured speech with so much like simmering underneath.
41:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But Zaden is the first person.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the first character I've played where I felt rewarded.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, even just by fans.
42:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know.
42:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It hurt.
42:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I played a lot of characters that were rough like Zayden before Zayden in the genre, and I won't name it yet.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's how they make their living and that's their books.
42:15
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're in herum, it's not just a book with intimacy.
42:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It is incredibly, just like male-centered.
42:22
[SPEAKER_00]: She is an object, and there's multiple of her.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And...
42:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, across these characters that, and that genre demands as an narrator, they'll tell you when you get into it.
42:32
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, yeah, don't try to get us whistful.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be which he's all all the time.
42:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like, honestly, I couldn't talk to my other narrator so I don't even feel the same way about it, but I felt like, you know, you know, you know,
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They're seeing doing those voices.
42:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt it wasn't the type of art space I was known for.
42:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved Shakespeare.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Great expectation.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do any other stuff.
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's feel, you know, it's Cardi B says, I didn't find the strip for life.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: The strip for life.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Please.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you never think and then you're like, dang, I like, voice in these characters that I don't like.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to find them, is he there?
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And Zaden was the first time.
43:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I had come to the table with that voice, and it was on an IP that was so well known.
43:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, and they adored Zaden, and yeah, adores violet.
43:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I found that the rougher the better man, like the rougher the better, because I found there was, I could never go too far away to him because Rebecca Yomro wrote enough, enough vulnerability.
43:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, he's that vulnerability is going to come out and it was just a plan and I feel like he has to be my type because he's not just in, he's given me, he's given me the most confidence as Gabriel than any other character I playing.
43:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say that that dramatized version compared to like just the regular audio book?
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: What would you say in how it's read and produced is like,
44:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Very different.
44:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's absolutely.
44:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know, I can't speak to Teddy Hamilton and other back or something or like what their process is, but I don't know what it's like to go to a studio.
44:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, that even could have been a homework or who knows.
44:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And and you go in there and you like you just do your things certain publishers will actually say we don't want a lot of immersion and they're kind of just bare bones storytelling to try.
44:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But they are incredibly different with what you are
44:35
[SPEAKER_00]: bringing to the table.
44:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Rebecca's still there has to tell that story from start to finish, and she doesn't really get a break until the bonus after comes in the study.
44:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she does get that.
44:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Where is it?
44:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of just focus on her narration when it's her narrations session, and then she gets a dialogue and then when she's focusing on the dialogue, she and I and everyone else on that cast, we could have a director that makes sure it's it's perfect.
44:57
[SPEAKER_00]: The crazy scenes,
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He made me enjoy the intimacy scenes.
45:06
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45:07
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45:22
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45:24
[SPEAKER_02]: That's way, it's very unbranded.
45:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Presented.
45:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
45:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
45:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Which book of yours, Harriet, was the easiest to write?
45:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Which one would you say is the hardest to write?
45:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I, okay.
45:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot put easy next to like anything I've written.
45:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's just not.
45:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I can say without a doubt, Love and exposure was the hardest to write.
45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
45:45
[SPEAKER_03]: All the birding research.
45:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's like, oh, you wrote it because you know so much about birds.
45:49
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I did all the research for this
45:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so now on expert all the research yet now my husband will show me a picture And I'm like, that's a cedar wax wing and he's like, okay, you are a nerd So it's fitting all the research into this, but then more than that it was that's the spence trying to meet the like romcom And I if you ask my alpha readers, I was ready to either send the book or myself off a cliff in October because it wasn't working
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's too intense.
46:22
[SPEAKER_03]: There was so much going on.
46:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to scale it way back and I had to figure out how to keep weaving the cute stuff in there and it was not easy.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Now romantic suspense has quickly become one of my favorite genres and get into it more and because I'm not a thriller girl Like I do not like to give myself anxiety when I already have enough shit Like I'm good So if you like I found cast her in cow's books, so I'm like, I don't know
46:55
[SPEAKER_02]: read it.
46:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been in books in her series because it had enough romance to like offset the thriller aspect of it.
47:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you're getting, it gives you more than just like your typical harmo- hallmarky like rom-com.
47:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's just like a deeper aspect.
47:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's more fun to get into it because you're like, I have no idea what's going to happen.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, and like reading
47:23
[SPEAKER_01]: They overheard the conversation.
47:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wait, is this turning him to something like what is happening with this like this is sketchy.
47:31
[SPEAKER_03]: What's happening?
47:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we've never seen a real my way.
47:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and whenever you hear Gabriel do this that scene.
47:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
47:39
[SPEAKER_03]: It is so good because Virgil starts off and he's like, this friendly like scholarly and then he gets into it and it is creepy.
47:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It is so good.
47:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the like flip.
47:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I did.
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be hairy.
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I would tell you what, though, like make a note to Johnny, like maybe we may maybe redo that first chapter that Virgil's in.
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, again, I'm thinking Virgil's like, I'm like, I'm going up the name.
48:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like Virgil.
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, oh, you know what?
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing all these men, men, I'm like, it's good to have a scholar in here.
48:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it won't hurt you.
48:14
[SPEAKER_00]: as Trevor's story, I'm sure, I was like, he's gonna be so pleasant, you know, and so he's just like, hey guys, and that was like, this house based and he is called.
48:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And so as I went on, I slowly just like weaved in or culture and they by the time we, but I'm really trying to do his smoothest voice out and get him to wear.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly and then we get to that scene and it's like it's the same voice, but it's all, it's all on a vicious list for us.
48:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, it's so good.
48:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You're done.
48:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You've had everything the same because when we're reading the first few chapters, that's how I pictured Virgil too.
48:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was good.
48:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go back and listen again.
48:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, no, this is, this is, this is, it like makes this turn on.
48:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, next week.
48:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this army too.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been in the past.
48:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been told like when I was acting on stage in school.
49:02
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm playing a villain like or I really want to give it away that I'm it's me and I started thinking Virgil was a little weird.
49:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know the suspense but I was even before happened I was like, you know what I'm waiting your face Virgil but there's something about you that.
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You ain't all the way there.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you ain't all the way there.
49:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I was like, I know the plot point is that he's trying to get with the girl.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, it's brutal.
49:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely did not get the girl.
49:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That's any competition there.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I said, oh, I gave you a perfect boy.
49:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, you still, you sound like you still on the low, and you give people a skill for you.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, exactly.
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Gabriel, have you ever kind of been reading lines and narrating and kind of just like laughed or like had an emotion that you should not have had in that particular scene that you've had to be like, oh, cut that.
50:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, I'll definitely like I will just burst out laughing if I enjoy it, but inappropriate.
50:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I want it.
50:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to, I know it's happening.
50:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel so bad.
50:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I love people with big of anything.
50:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was doing, I was doing a, a hair on book.
50:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and the man in those books are so aggressive.
50:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're nice to fair women, but like,
50:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like these authors will have like the main character like eat up on a woman, but a bad woman, and it's just a little too much and this character shows up and we're trying to infiltrate and like she's like she's like an elephant guard.
50:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I like burst out laughing in my friend Diana's like she's the one narrating with me We're on the court.
50:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like girl.
50:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, what do we just read?
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I said He had no reason.
50:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She was in her mood.
50:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
50:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not what he's gonna do today Are we reading?
51:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired.
51:02
[SPEAKER_02]: He's checking a shit gang The thing in her monologue we have while we're like what does happen?
51:08
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll certainly
51:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's so funny, but it's live, but it's live.
51:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're like, Steve, why do you punch her in the bro?
51:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, it's so scary.
51:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, Harriet, what's your favorite kind of romantic dynamic?
51:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like enemies to lovers, friends to lovers or?
51:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I love enemies to lovers and it doesn't even have to be the classic like knife to throw it.
51:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll read that too.
51:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, but anytime there's tension, I'm just I eat it at that.
51:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you can get the kind of mean banter at first, yeah.
51:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's wrong with you, but I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they're like Kentucky based, so they're like a son in the rampboard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They get the female.
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That's stuff like that because the Southern ones are cat are great for drama.
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Southern people.
52:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I live in Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They know drama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They really are right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will be in.
52:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy because it's like farm, you know, but then there's like a romantic suspense and she the first book is she's in the witness production program like running and it's just so good.
52:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to listen to it.
52:46
[SPEAKER_01]: highly recommend in the banter in all three of her books is what makes it fantastic.
52:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay Gabriel.
52:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So with kind of like the timeline I guess of when the O.G.
52:57
[SPEAKER_01]: audio book of fourth wing came out and then like leading up to the traumatized version like did you feel a lot of pressure with like kind of who Zaden had become to the fan base of fourth wing when going into this traumatized version?
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, especially like
53:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Lucien was the first time I got any type of star surrounding my voice work.
53:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just came out of the blue.
53:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It was everything about it was just not nerve-racking at all.
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, this is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're the end when you're the MMZ.
53:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was really nervous, I got to listen to, I did listen to that whole audio book all the way through the very first one.
53:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the turnaround was so quick.
53:46
[SPEAKER_00]: In order like getting cast and then recording, I was like, I'm going to cheat.
53:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to listen to this audio book.
53:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I got the tetties, I was like, yeah, we're both not twenty two and we're going to have to this work.
54:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And we, but I'm not.
54:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even say, if I see this, I actually, there's some elements, one element that I kind of use and incorporated into my Zaden.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the narration, because I was like, it was my first time getting to narrate as an MMC of the, again, of a book that was celebrated by so many people.
54:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I never, I never got to narrate in that voice.
54:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And a book.
54:30
[SPEAKER_00]: with this when I was going to do it, I wanted to be perfect.
54:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, how's he doing it?
54:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I was saying, and there was like this, this, this, this aches that was there.
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of things.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I always believe it or not.
54:42
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I'm like,
54:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it because he's, he's holding them.
54:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It was his attempt to sell like the boy aspect of it.
54:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
54:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like my character's skew more mature.
54:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you know, like, yeah, make him, make you in.
54:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to sound like a backshoe boy.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I wanted him to sound like a backshoe boy, like what I thought of like my own A.G. breaking pops to our, yes.
55:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I just say also?
55:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I am so excited to hear you play him like as the villain for the next book It's good.
55:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So good.
55:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally when you were talking about it earlier.
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like Villains I didn't yes Four more in people keep saying it and I can't let myself get excited about it because only because it's okay Only because she may turn around and just give him again like a 13 minute chapter and call it a day
55:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but with a good make sense, you know, like, I can, I know Zaden's gone, but do I want to depart from my heavily written FMC book?
55:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people don't like a stylistic change.
55:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's earned this time around.
55:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm keeping low expectations because I'm afraid of being like, you know, I'm excited for this villain narrative.
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I get the script.
55:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I don't really get to do them, you know, I don't really get to do it.
56:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
56:01
[SPEAKER_02]: That would break my heart.
56:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be serious where to come true.
56:04
[SPEAKER_01]: If my theories were to be heard, you'd have a plenty of full of parts because of her.
56:10
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the beginning and where we're going to see villains say to them like, that's where I'm like, maybe Rebecca can be the one I think.
56:19
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't give us like this much of villains.
56:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
56:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can.
56:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I really was like again, when the voice already deep and you're like, that last chapter that he's in in a graphics version of part two of on ekstorm, try to go on another layer, another layer of devoid of emotion, another of like savagery.
56:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was fun to do Google doing that for a whole book.
56:45
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be that'll be a challenge.
56:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But I can look after it and like, ask me, is that man, what are we doing?
56:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Do it.
56:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
56:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
56:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I definitely feel like there will be a lot of segments coming into play.
56:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but I'm not going to spoil that for people who have not read all this.
57:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry.
57:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
57:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to take over my fan theories that I know are lost.
57:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
57:10
[SPEAKER_02]: We could literally talk for another hour on that, but um, okay.
57:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So do you see yourself writing any more romantic suspense books or anything, maybe out of the romance genre?
57:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I
57:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I am writing outside the romance genre because the ghost writing job I'm doing it's a memoir for a multi-millionaire I'm not getting paid multi-millions for but I'm writing his story which by the way is really cool whenever you've got someone in here like never told this one anyone this before and I'm like T let's go
57:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
57:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm doing that.
57:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I'll always when I'm writing for myself, I always had to have romance in it just because I don't know.
57:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
57:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the dynamic.
57:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I love having relationships in there.
57:59
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do.
58:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I do kind of tend to sway more towards like the angsty stuff, and I've tried to keep it really like light and cute in the trouble series.
58:10
[SPEAKER_03]: But it does come out in my first unpublished novel.
58:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really intense.
58:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it'll ever see the light of day, but right now I'm working on a, on a romance scene.
58:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I don't know.
58:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it will be a little bit more on the lights.
58:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It will be light-hearted, but I still, I love the angst.
58:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the angst.
58:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you can say you're working on a romanticie.
58:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
58:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about think about Rebecca Yaros and what she was writing before.
58:38
[SPEAKER_00]: She before.
58:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred person.
58:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so incredible.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
58:43
[SPEAKER_00]: But if not, not there starts here and then they go there.
58:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And as we can prove then that you're willing to do the research research about something you do not know.
58:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So it means that you can actually do anything.
58:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
58:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really.
58:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
58:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're pairing with that, too.
58:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Denny Perry, Shield of Sparrows.
59:00
[SPEAKER_02]: That was her first romance scene.
59:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And she also has it.
59:02
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, yeah, such a good chance.
59:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a saffron romance.
59:04
[SPEAKER_03]: See, so I'm here.
59:04
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right,
59:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I just know vampires.
59:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I was like, what were you doing?
59:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was there by her all the way.
59:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
59:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I told her all the time.
59:34
[SPEAKER_01]: If I could have gotten a tattoo when this series came out, like, instead of the lion fell in love with the lamb, would have been tattooed on me someone.
59:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have been somewhere because I was like, I'm sad for this, but like, it was fourth wing that got me back into reading, like sitting in physically reading a book, like, it was that book and since then, like, I've read, like, I've read like 82 books last year.
59:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't, I didn't usually do that.
59:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, it was that book.
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_01]: What, like, you're doing everything for me.
1:00:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sad for a romanticity.
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, awesome.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, okay.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So okay.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll going off of what we were just talking about with Zaden and maybe Lushen.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did you know that there was going to be a line that people went absolutely feral for.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:00:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And definitely my house, my chair, my, my wallet.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I didn't do a lot of great quotes.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that one.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_00]: My house, my chairman woman.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, that one is so on the nose.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what multiple takes for Scott.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the one that he went with and I like the one.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It was another one in there that was a little more subtle.
1:00:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's though about that entire scene.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I read, I read that entire book.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you're in the session, the way you're jumping around the script, and I'm like, you, you, you, you, you sometimes are not aware where you are.
1:01:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally, when he's taking off her leaves on the, on the, on the, on the clone, I am not even as the actor aware of what's about that happened.
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking, and I'm like, oh, he's about to like,
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_00]: have a good conversation with her, and that's why he's like, follow the truth, and until it happens, you're like, you're like, oh, I'm a lone egg in my boot.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But Skyo, it's got her on the call.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no one can see me be like,
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we do it on it.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, another thing, too, y'all, the screen that Zaden lets out really quickly and then another real quick win in the first one when Liam dies when he passes.
1:01:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd let out the pearls.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He had never there.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I put everything into that screen because I love now I'm into the romance of it all.
1:01:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But first I'm a track story with the fighting and the dragon, you know, and I'm like, okay, we're in part part part two of book one.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to we start getting to like the fight scene.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just, what do you jump around the script?
1:02:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing the fight scenes without the only realizing it.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I had some yells here, or like a grunt here.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because Violet is the main character.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_00]: She would probably feel that action scene more than it.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize we had already gone through it, so then I was like, okay, Scott, whenever we can do the big battle, he was like, okay, I said, well, what's next?
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Not rinsing stream, I go.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't let it out, it was both, it was the heartbreak, what you were hearing was the chair, to what you were hearing was the heartbreak of feeling like, I want, if my character is in a battle and struggling, I need, I want to feel that as the actor.
1:02:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a window, it already passed, and I didn't, even if I did a great job, I wasn't, I didn't get to feel that way.
1:03:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I betrayed Liam, I was like, I didn't
1:03:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we've got to go back and re-listen exactly.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Harriet, is there any advice that you would get to in aspiring author?
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would say right what you love, um, there's going to be an audience out there for it, but to right what you love, um, don't worry about it.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_03]: If you, um, end up writing something, it doesn't work out.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_03]: If you've got to start over that happens to me all the time.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's, it's, you sometimes you just got to keep failing.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Gabriel was talking about you just got to keep failing until you do succeed.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's all I've got.
1:03:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm too early in the game to give real advice, but that's all I've got.
1:03:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you say you're writing process has changed a lot?
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to write a little first in the love and yes, I would definitely say, and it really before love and ink whenever I had my the book that I I really started working on after I graduated high school took me 10 years to finish it, and that was really just like teaching me how to write a book if that makes sense.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And so my process has changed a lot from that.
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I know it doesn't, it doesn't need to take us 10 years to write a book.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_03]: But also just like knowing I've got a certain elements that I need to have figured out before I sit down and start typing it out.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But other than that, it is still a hot mess.
1:04:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And every single time it's a new book.
1:04:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, this time I've got to figure it out.
1:04:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got my method.
1:04:33
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be fine.
1:04:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll put like 30,000 words in an outline and I'll go to write it and I'll be like, well, we're changing the game plan now or like with love and exposure, I got probably 50% through with it and I realized I was going to have to scrap everything I just written because it wasn't working.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
1:04:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And not everyone does it.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_03]: No one, not everyone does it this way, but that's the only way I know how.
1:05:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So gut-wrenching to do, though, like, I can't imagine putting all that, it just feels like, my heart is like, I can't do anything like that.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I was just gonna say, I used to feel, I still feel that way, but it's a little made a little, I don't know, it doesn't hurt as bad because I different author was talking about how, every single thing you write down, you are becoming better.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's okay if you, because it was not me.
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Gabriel kind of rounding up with that other from the other side of that.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any advice for anyone who is looking to get into potentially narration or even voice acting?
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep it.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know a little bit of the narration.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Get familiar with ACX of the, that is the independent platform where a lot of independent authors go there to produce books and you can audition, you can, you know, you long as you have the equipment, you can audition right there start and I would say if you're good, you're like, how competitive is it anywhere for an 80 to 100 submissions per title out, but you can get to audition again and again and again on there.
1:06:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
1:06:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And then voice over, get a space.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Long, you know, that you can do.
1:06:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot that people can do to help you with your career as long as you have space.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most important thing.
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially people who have come from an acting background, or even a theater background like me, there is something about whether it's narration,
1:06:31
[SPEAKER_00]: romanticcy, voice acting, there's a different level of immersion that you have to train yourself to be able to bring out, and it's going to be a completely different mechanic.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_00]: The mechanics you would use on the stage to make yourself bigger to make the character more interesting.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of it transfers over, but a lot of it, I meet so many voiceover people and I hear them to kind of begin to act.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, I'm hearing a flatness that I would never associate with their level of acting prowess, but you really have to learn to act behind a microphone.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to, and you have to hit it.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_00]: in order to be the type of audio book narrator that Harriet talks about where you feel like every you're bringing that author's vision to life.
1:07:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like exactly as they ended it, that's listening.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Make it listening.
1:07:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Listening, no amount of having a nap for acting is ever going to get that level of accuracy.
1:07:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to really pay attention.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And I find that the people who do really well out the gate are those who already are patient people when they get by not like your phone.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I agree now.
1:07:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to masks.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, thank you guys so much for joining us.
1:07:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was so fun.
1:07:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and join us next week as we don't know what we're talking about.
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but come next week for now.