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Episode 245: The MEWGENICS review! · WASD and Beyond

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Dude all all day now when? I heard I I heard someone
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followed him into the restroom accidentally.
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Buddy, I had to go to the bathroom and I figured that's
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where he went. I was like, this is going to be
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interesting. I get in the bathroom, I let RIP
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and all of a sudden we started doing that.
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And then he left at one point and I was just doing that,
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playing the fucking song from Baldersgate in the bathroom as
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somebody else came in the bathroom, mortified, mortified
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dude. I was like, God fucking damn it,
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dude, I don't know what to do. I was like, oh, this is just
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where I sit. That's what I do.
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Can't leave until someone else has left, right?
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I didn't want to leave. I I wanted to wait for whoever
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was in there with me during whatever monstrosity monstrosity
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I was doing while singing the Balder's Gate song.
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Needed them to go. Just needed you to get out of
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the bathroom. Bro.
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I can't have you see me like this.
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I just can't. Awful, awful.
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But you know what? I think we can just go right
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Join it, it is free. John, we've had a cool couple of
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weeks with this game we're about to review and talk about.
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All the other big outlets and publications have had their
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spotlight and their time in the sun with this game.
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Talking about this week, but it's finally the little guy's
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turn, right? It's finally our turn talking
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about this. This developer in particular has
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made some games that I have loved and I know you certainly
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have loved. My first foyer with Edmund was
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Super Meat Boy, which I think probably might be a lot of
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people's first time with his games for.
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Sure. What like for you?
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Did you start with Super Meat Boy or was it Super Meat Boy and
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then Isaac, or where did you really start with those games?
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I did not start with Super Meat Boy.
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In fact, I still haven't played Super Meat Boy.
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What? I started on New Grounds in
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middle school playing Clash The Binding of Isaac during class.
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I can't. New grounds.
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Holy shit. Yeah, man, new grounds then, you
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know, a couple years after that rebirth came out, which is like
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the reimagining of Isaac is not Isaac too.
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It's it's Isaac, better, bigger. And then from there, what?
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Oh, Isaac continued to get updated.
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I stopped playing it for a while because it was kind of in a bad
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state for a hot minute. But then the Repentance update
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dropped and Repentance is actually from it's made-up of a
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of a team of modders that were creating a modded update called
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Afterbirth. Yeah.
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But they, they Edmund hired them on team Nesic.
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No, Niantic hired them on and they created the Repentance DLC
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and the games were in a very good place.
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But you know, you can't really not talk about The Binding of
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Isaac. That is, as is probably their
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biggest title. Yeah, when you're talking about
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Edmund. But this is not exactly what the
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episode is about today. The episode is about their
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newest game. Munichenix, John and John and
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I've had this for what, the last month or so?
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Yeah, month and a bit, I think. Yep.
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So First off, right away, want to thank Edmund and the team for
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sending us review copies of this this.
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That was awesome. We had a very good time with it
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and that was really cool to get that treatment from him and his
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team. So thank you guys very much.
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That was awesome. Absolutely.
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Thank you very much. Now Mugenics is a bit of AI
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don't even know where to start. It's a lot like First off, it's
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it's cool to see everybody unequivocally come together and
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go, hey, this is this is cool, this this is working.
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It's fun, it's cool. It's getting reviewed very good
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and people seem to enjoy and it's becoming a lot of people's
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like obsession, which I I like that a lot.
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But it's it is a turn based strategy rogue like cat breeding
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game. Did I get that right?
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Basically, yeah, I'm pretty sure this that's what it says on the
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Steam page. Yeah, OK.
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Because like, my cats be fucking a lot in that game.
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They do. They do.
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Or like actually. Eating each other out.
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Fucking enough what I I ran out of cats the other day when I was
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playing. Dude I like how cats in this
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game are literally like ammunition for you to continue
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doing anything. It's like that, like food.
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I ran out. I had to skip a couple nights,
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grab a grab a couple strays out of the alleys.
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This game is it is it is crazy. It is it is it is wild.
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It is very pretty. I love I love the music aspect
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of the game. I love all the characters that
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you get to meet throughout the game.
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Rossetti was really funny. Like I used to try to sub.
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I didn't even try to scum save but I I scum saved I guess and I
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just pissed off the game and it was like hey, if you do that the
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fuck again. Yeah, that was that was Steven
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actually from another one of Edmonds game called The End is
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Nigh. Ah.
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I love that guy. Yeah, dude, it was threatening.
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Yeah, yelled at me quite a bit. I didn't.
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I didn't. I was like, what?
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I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to pause and I need to go
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upstairs. I don't want the game to run.
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I liked a lot of it, man. I liked a lot of.
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Let's just start right at the top with the things that we
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liked in our experience with this game, OK?
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Do you want to start? Because you've got me actually
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hooked into The Binding of Isaac.
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Yeah, I try. And because that's it's my
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favorite Edmund game and I'm not shy about it.
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I love mugenics, but Binding was like, I think will always hold a
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special place in my heart because I grew up playing it
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right. But yeah, we we can get into
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talking about mutenics a lot. First thing I wanted to tackle
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was the music. The music in this game is so
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fucking good. It's very jazzy.
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It's actually it's cool. I've had the when I the second
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time I encountered Radical Rat at the end of the of the at the
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end of the first stage, I I truly listen to the music and
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it's so catchy. I had it stuck in my head for
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hours after that. No.
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Oh yeah, dude. That that was just the end of my
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sentence. Oh, well, you know, I don't
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know. So yeah, no, the music for me, I
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I loved every moment of playing this game with that music going
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on. You're right.
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It's very jazzy. It's very, like, cool and like
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Rungy. Yeah.
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Well, during the battles, it truly keeps you going.
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Like you're saying, like, okay, shit, like, all right, I gotta
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really think right now. And that was a lot of the
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driving force in, like me, just like zoning into the game.
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It was the music. It was a lot of the sound
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design, really, the characters of the cats.
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Yeah. Very interesting.
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Very, very interesting. Even the attacks are all crunchy
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and squishy, and it's everything I would have expected from
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Edmund. It does everything.
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Feels kind of like you shouldn't be doing it or touching it.
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Yeah, if that makes. Sense yeah, it's really cool.
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I I wanted to know about the the voices.
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So Edmund brought on like a lot of like content creators as like
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little little like cameos their voices.
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There's a very popular Isaac YouTube named the lazy madman.
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I I I heard his voice as a cat in the game which is really
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cool. I think meat canyon's in there
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too. I think Meat Canyon is, yeah.
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Yeah, so it's just it's just a bunch of cool stuff on that
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aspect. But I mean, even from there,
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it's like the the overall presentation of the game.
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I love it. I love this like the board that
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you are travelling on because like with Isaac, you, you know,
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you're in, you're in each zone or level and you're navigating
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this. It's like, here's a map and
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you're going. But then eventually you can, you
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can unlock the hard path for like better loo and better
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coinage and things like that to bring home to your other cats if
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you survive your adventure out in the streets.
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And I liked that a lot. I I liked how the map is set
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out. It's none of this is hard.
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That's, that's well, it's, it's not an easy game.
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That's not what I'm saying. No, Edmund makes hard games.
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The concept here is all there for you though.
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It is quite literally all in front of you.
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Like play the game, go through the map, get to the end point if
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you can, and it gets more interesting the more you play.
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And I really like that aspect. So the overall presentation was
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awesome. The whole house aspect of the
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game too, like you're you're storing your cats in this house
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that you can build up, which is also pretty cool.
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You have to clean up the cat food.
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Yeah, to the guy. Yep, there's a whole sewer
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system. That was cool.
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Yeah, like it's just a cat training system.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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What else, man? I mean this, This is so.
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There is so much going on in this game and it doesn't work
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against itself. Absolutely.
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I, I, you know, I wish I had more time in it than I did
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because you know, like, like Isaac in a lot of Ed's games,
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this game is deep and it gets deeper the more you play it.
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Yeah. I, I know that much like in
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Isaac, when you defeat Mom 10 times, the game opens up a lot
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more. And I know that's a thing in in
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this game as well. When you defeat the first stage
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of set number of times, you unlock more stages.
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It's just. Insane dude.
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It is, it is there. There is, there is no lack of
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content in this game. It's it's a, it's a, it's a long
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burn. I'm for it.
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Well, I think we, you and I have only scratched the surface.
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That's the crazy part. Like I want to put more time in
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this game to figure out the synergies with my cats to figure
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out. And I like I like the there's a
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class system that was super fun. That was all super fun to play
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around with. Which cats am I going to bring
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to then assign them a class to then bring in the battle and
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like to level them up? It's like a more fucked up
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inbred version of Pokémon and I loved every moment of it.
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It is, yeah. There's like there's like 11 or
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so classes right now. I think I only got up to six of
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them. Nice.
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OK, I think I got up to Thief. Or I may have.
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I may have gotten up to another class above thief, but I I I
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mainly used brawler, mage, Archer and tank was like my.
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Class. I would typically replace the
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Archer with a cleric. Yeah, that's smart.
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No, I think he's. Very useful.
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I think I took tank out, kept Brawler, and I would bring a
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cleric, so I'd get some heels in there, right?
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But like, that's the cool thing. It's like you're learning all
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these synergies with how you play this game and how each cat
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works. It's just super cool.
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And there's items you can attach to the cats that will either
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buff them, debuff them, give you a temporary debuff to then help
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you later on. It's a very deep, deep, deep
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well of a game. It's.
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A very. Deep game, yeah, so.
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That's that's more prevalent than ever because I I play games
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with a lot of focus on replay value.
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Yeah. So deep games are very important
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for me and I was a little surprised I had a cat that
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mutated. Oh did you OK what did they
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mutate into or what? Mutated on it.
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Just a weird fucked up cat. No, but The thing is is so cats
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can inherit skills from like their parents on a on a rare
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base on not. Not necessarily rare, but it
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doesn't always happen. And this cat inherited the
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healing word, but it born, it was born mutated, it didn't have
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a mouth and so it could not speak to the word.
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So it's useless. So fucking that's that's what he
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throw down the sewer. Yeah, well thankfully it
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actually mutated mid run and gained a mouth so it could
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scream. That's so fucking funny dude.
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This game is full. I had I had a lot of fucked up
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cats. I don't want to spoil a lot of
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what this game does though, like because there's just so much you
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can do because it's, it's, it's deep.
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Like the, the even like the mutation in the breeding aspect
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of the cats is deep. And I'd have all my cats beating
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the shit out of each other in the little house too.
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And I'm like, I'd get ready to go out into the battle and I I
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would have one cat I'd want to take and his leg would be fucked
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up or his eye would be out or his fucking head would be
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fucked. That's like.
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I broke a piece of glass and I had a cursed Shard of glass in
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my paw I could not remove. I inflicted bleeding, but I got
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a lot of bleeding every turn as well.
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That's. That cat did not make it.
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I had a lot of cats. I thought we're going to make it
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and then one thing would happen in battle and that it was the
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cat was like never the same. And I was like, dude, God
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fucking damn it. That was like, the run is done.
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The run is done. There's nothing I can do that's
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just fucked, But it's it's rewarding when you get through a
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run. It is it is super fun, dude.
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Like the more we talk about, the more I want to just as soon as
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this this review is up, like there's only a 2525 thirty
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minute review, right. So it's like immediately I could
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just hop off this, edit the shit out of this and go play more.
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Yeah, man. It's good dude.
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It is. I like it a lot.
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What did you think of the combat overall in this game?
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The combat's tricky, you know, It seems pretty simple, but you
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know, naturally as you progress through the stage, changes
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happen. I had a lot of issues with Bobs
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in in my run. Yeah.
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Bombs wiped me out so much, and I got, you know, I got a little
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tilted. I've played Isaac so long that I
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for I kind of let it slip. The Ed makes hard games.
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Yeah, I'm very much so not quite adjusted to the Eugenics
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difficulty. No bombs whacked me out a few
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times. There's one boss in particular
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that each time you hit it, it kind of corners you.
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Uh huh. And I was like, dude, I was, I'm
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so close. I'm not into one cat.
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And I'm like, I just have to like try to move.
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But something happened where like I moved and my cat's leg
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broke and it's just like, I was like, I was like, there's no
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fucking way that happened. And I tried casting something
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but I don't know what happened. Like it just moved in on me and
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my cat just explodes. I was like, dude, that's the
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run. I've been at this for 45
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minutes. That's the run.
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But it's but I'm happy about that shit.
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Like, I'm happy this game is not a.
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It's accessible. That's the thing.
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This is an accessible. Game it is accessible.
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It's just hard. It's that that's but that's the
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beauty behind this is like. You learn, you want, you want
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games to be easy to get into though, you know, Yeah, you you
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want to very clearly explain things to the player and then
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you can make your game hard because you know, the players
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informed and they're not informed because they skipped
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text Weldon. That's their own.
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Fault well and this game does a very good I will say that right
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now too, this game does a very good job of letting you know
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this is the game this is how it's played this is what you'll
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need to do this is what you need to be prepared for and that I
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loved I loved every moment of that I was like OK this is great
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because there's no one can hop in this game and go I don't get
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it well, what do you mean you don't get it?
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It was told to you right away, like every system is outlined
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for you like this is how this works.
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This is what you're going to do for this and if you do this you
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will be rewarded like this. It's all outlined and there are
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some things that maybe you're kind of in the shadow, but you
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slowly pick up and learn the game as it goes along.
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And that's the real beauty of this.
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It's like, OK, I'm understanding this now.
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And and dude, just in in general though, the game is just so
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pretty to look at. It is.
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Despite being so dirty and grungy, it's very it's very.
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It nails its aesthetic. Yeah, yeah, dude, it, it's very
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pretty. I do.
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Feel like I'm in a dirty alley picking up cats that are fucked
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up. It's, it's, it's not even just
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the, the, the cats that are everything's fucked up.
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You know, the people here. Oh my God.
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This this town takes place in. This is the same time that the
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Binding of Isaac takes place in. Which is wonder Isaac is fucked.
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Oh, Isaac is no more. This is a couple years after
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Isaac. And well, there's a couple
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months after Isaac. And I know this because as I was
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loading into the game one day, I heard on the radio, I heard the
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mother of the boy that went missing a few months ago has now
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been declared missing. And I can't help but think that
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that that's Isaac's mother. I was shocked.
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Because, you know, the canonical ending of Isaac as you, if
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you've beaten a couple times, is that he does suffocate in that
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chest. Yeah.
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It's very sad, yeah. Luckily, this game isn't as sad
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as The Binding of Isaac. Yeah, from what I could tell.
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It's just kind of fucked up. It's messed up, Yeah, for sure.
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Not as much poo. Surprisingly, no.
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Which really attested just how much poo in his eye.
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Isn't Isaac because Edmund loves his poo jokes?
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He loves his little poo guys, dude, and he likes when they're.
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The poo guys get bigger and you shoot them and then they get
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smaller and there's. A boss.
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We have an encounter in Isaac called Coblostima and he's just
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a cloth in the bag that. Makes me want to throw up.
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Yeah, it's pretty gross. It's very gross.
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I mean, man, this game, it's it's fun.
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I like the turn based combat. It's random.
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It's just it's so silly and goofy and it's it's just good
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spirited. But the game overall is in such
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a good space already. And we played it a month ago and
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I was like, man, this is just, this feels great.
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It loaded right up. It was I was having a blast with
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it. There's a full-fledged story
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going on. You're finding out there's like
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it's just there's just there's a lot happening and it all makes
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sense. It's cohesive, it's weaved
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perfectly. You can tell that Edmund and his
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team really put all their all into this game and it's just a
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labor of love. And I was excited to play this
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game. I'm glad we got to play this
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game and God damn I, I love what he does.
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I love what him and his team knew.
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Going into that, you know, it's, it's I, I, it took me by
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surprise. This is the first time I've done
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anything like this. It took me by surprise that we
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did not receive press copies. You know, we got press access.
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Yeah. We don't have to have to buy the
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game, which is really cool, which is really, really cool
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because I was willing to buy it, but I'm glad that I don't need
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to. So yeah, that's a big thank you
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to Team Nicholas again. Yeah, no, I mean, it's right
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again, right off the top that we were given these these games, we
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we were given access to these games that gave us keys
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technically. So, you know, that was just
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awesome of that team. Thank you guys so much for
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trusting us to talk about your game that you obviously put a
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lot of love into. I love my time with this game
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and I cannot wait to play more of it.
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I can't wait to experience what fucked up future these cats have
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because of my actions and my possible inbreeding for them.
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John, final thoughts on Mutenix. Final thoughts.
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I think this game is going to be a hit.
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I mean you know, like you said there would be embargo wiped out
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a couple or the embargo finished like 4 days ago and people were
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able to reviews. I'm not I'm not saying anything
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except stellar positive reviews. It's a very solidly made game.
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It is probably only going to be 20 bucks.
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You know, like The Binding of Isaac is this I think is a must
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pick up for people that are into, you know, smaller dev
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teams, indie games and whatnot. You know, Team Nicholas isn't
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exactly, indeed, they've been around a while, but they're also
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not funded by huge millionaire $1,000,000 corporations.
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And I'm always cool with that. Oh yeah?
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Oh dude, absolutely for me, man. When you can see a labor of love
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just happen like this. Hard work and just dedication to
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what they wanted to make. They didn't waiver anything.
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They made what they wanted. That's important.
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And that's all throughout this game.
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That's like this game's DNA. It's a big fuck you to everyone
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else. Like we're going to do our
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thing. And that's how Edmund's always
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ruled. And and people are going to love
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him for it. Exactly.
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And this game deserves that amount of love that it's
23:42
getting. I'm seeing like reviewers that I
23:45
didn't think would give it a high score, but like, oh fuck,
23:46
like their review. OK, Absolutely.
23:48
Like oh shit, big big scores, dude.
23:51
Big, big, big scores. And great.
23:54
And I think it'll continue to do.
23:55
Great. I think it's going to climb that
23:57
ladder, and I think once it actually releases to the public,
23:59
people are going to have such a blast with this game.
24:02
They're not going to. The combinations are endless
24:05
here. We're going to see so many
24:06
fucking cats. Yeah.
24:09
We won't even like, truly get a grasp on how deep the game is
24:13
until months after it's out, when people have had time to
24:17
deconstruct it and really push certain things to the limits.
24:22
Dude, I feel like I didn't even do our job right.
24:26
Like because of like how much like I I would love to be like,
24:31
yeah, I scratched every. I didn't.
24:34
That's not I I didn't have enough time.
24:36
Like there's so much. Here I know people that have 100
24:39
hours on the game and still so much more.
24:44
To it I love it that's. Crazy to me.
24:48
Like like I said, dude, Mute Jacks is a great ride.
24:51
It's fun. It's bang for your buck, it's in
24:53
your face. I am glad to see this team
24:56
making a game like this. It's it's fun.
24:59
This is a great This is going to be a great game on Steam Deck.
25:03
This is going to be a fantastic Steam game.
25:05
Steam Deck game. This.
25:07
You're on a plane or something. Oh.
25:08
Dude, this, it's, it's, it's perfect.
25:11
It's literally made for something like.
25:13
That this. Yeah.
25:15
So if if my score of eugenics because of how good it is, even
25:21
if it and let me preface this, this is not my cup of tea.
25:26
I I wanted to play this and support it because of Edmund.
25:28
I'm going to give it a 9.5 out of.
25:35
That that's very high. Straight up it my time with it
25:39
was great. I the labor, again, it's all
25:42
about that labor of love and that's what this game offers
25:46
you. It's like, hey, this is what we
25:47
wanted to make. So it gets it absolutely gets a
25:49
9.5 for me. I don't do decimal so I'm going
25:54
to give it on that. It was in too.
25:56
The hell yeah. I don't do decimal.
25:58
Thanks, man. We'll we'll give it a nine.
26:01
How about that WAD and beyond gives it a nine?
26:04
Hell yeah. I it's just it, it gets that
26:07
point removed because this is not my typical game and there
26:10
were times where I can find myself maybe pulling away from
26:13
it, but it's not because of the game.
26:16
It's just no, there's times where I'm like, I just got to
26:18
pull away from this dude. Like I have to stop playing
26:20
this. I need to play something else.
26:22
I thought that I was getting bored or whatever.
26:24
It's just like I'm just done so but it's, it's phenomenal.
26:29
I can see in all likelihood my score increasing to a perfect
26:33
game for me as soon as I can get like some some more hours into
26:37
it. Like I said with all of Edmonds
26:39
games, these games open up the more you play them.
26:42
Yeah, no, this is, this is great.
26:45
As soon as you can get your hands on eugenics, everybody, I
26:47
would recommend getting this game, Even if you don't think
26:49
it's going to be your cup of tea, it will be your cup of tea
26:52
in some way, shape or form. It's awesome.
26:55
It's fun. It is just so silly and goofy
26:57
and fucking dark and twisted and that's what makes it so special.
27:03
It's so good. Play mugenics huh?
27:09
Sorry, I was rambling. Please do.
27:14
Isn't that what a podcast is though?
27:16
Yeah, it's a couple. It's a couple of assholes who
27:19
want to talk but not get paid for talking.
27:22
I. Would love to get paid for
27:23
talking. I would love to get paid for
27:25
this. We're doing our best, doing our
27:27
best. And you know what?
27:30
Yeah. Mugenics releases today.
27:33
This episode releases, which is tomorrow on Tuesday.
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Oh, yeah. So hell yeah.
27:37
Hell yeah. Everybody get ready for
27:39
Eugenics. Go play that shit after you
27:41
listen to this episode. It's 7:30 in the morning on a
27:44
really early Tuesday. I want to go to sleep.
27:46
All right, everybody play Eugenics.
27:48
It's great. Thank you.
27:49
That's fantastic. Thank you, Edmond.
27:52
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