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The Eagles Still Have Challenges (PST Episode 540) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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Hey there, folks, it's Jeff. Wanted to let you know that we
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recorded this podcast episode on Wednesday, November fifteenth, twenty twenty three. By
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the time you hear this, some things may have changed here and there with
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the content, but we hope you enjoy the show. All right, everybody,
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you're listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly
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Philly sports podcast show in the world. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Long time listeners, thanks for sticking with us, and if you're new to
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the show, welcome. We have got a great show this week where we're
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going to be getting into some Phillies off season talk in terms of pitch.
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Let's have a starting pitcher should they be going after? And is Otani gonna
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be on the table for this Phillies front office. We're then gonna get into
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the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, the fact that they are surprising a lot of
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individuals even though they drop a game two games in a row. Now Sixers
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and the Pacers as Sixers and Pacers, No, the Celtics and the Pacers.
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Jesus, why don't I just say the rest of the agenda here,
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We're gonna talk about the Union. We're gonna talk about the University of Michigan
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and their scandals and their transgressions. And we're gonna get into some Eagles talk
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too. That's what we're throwing down on the table. I'm Jeff Warren and
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I'm here of my buddy Len Punsiker. Len. I completely screwed up the
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intro as I usually do. We've been doing this for so long. I'm
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constantly screwing stuff up. It never ceases to amaze me. Your head's probably
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still in a swivel from talking about my presidential run here exactly before we hit
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the record button, len is gonna be running, folks, Just to let
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y'all know, as an independent candidate for the presidency of the United States in
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twenty twenty four. Let's get him on the ballot, folks. Let's do
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it. It's just come on, you're gonna vote for one of these old
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guys. Exactly. That's pretty much my campaign. Exactly. You have vision.
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Okay, you're your Russian foreign policy was fantastic. I think you need
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to let go off over here. That's it. There you go. Yeah,
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So President Hunsicker here, what are your thoughts about you know, Russia,
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Ukraine. What's happening in the world. They seem to be rather unstable
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over in Russia. How mister Hunsicker, how do we get this taken care
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of with Russia? You know, you get Mitchkoff over here. If twitter
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Ella puts him in the press box as a learning thing, he's got to
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go and get somebody to poison. Putin there, you go, there you
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go. But how about that, folks, I mean, that is a
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that is presidential right there. It's decisive. He knows what he's talking solved.
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Ye. I love your foreign policy. It's it's it's simple, it's
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clean and simple. Then it's great. All right, everybody anyway, buddy,
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how you doing other than other than your aspiring presidential campaign. I'm good,
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Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm on vacation so nice. That's
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a good thing. Yeah no, everything's good right now. I can't wait
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to go on vacation, family vacation. We are going on a Caribbean cruise
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from December tenth to the seventeenth. I gotta figure out what to do with
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the show that week. I gotta I gotta figure it out. When t
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win December tenth to the seventeenth, Okay, Yeah, it's like right before
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and Christmas. What I I this is the first I'm hearing of any of
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this. What like, what islands like just where Obamas or yeah? Well
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well yeah, Bahama's a Saint Martin. We're gonna be out. We're leaving
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from Bayone, and we are heading down to beautiful Bayone, New Jersey.
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Yes, figure, we'll leave from Bay Owned so we don't have to fly
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anywhere. It's gonna be what an hour and a half car ride to Yeah,
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you know, we're not gonna have to pay for plane tickets, especially
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the cost of flying today is absolutely absurd. And then we head down to
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Port Canaveral, Florida first, and then we go it's through Royal Caribbean.
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They actually have their own island like Disney does. We were on Disney Cruise
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a few years ago, back in twenty nineteen, and Disney, of course
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has their own island that you can go to and there's beaches and stuff like
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that. Royal Caribbean has something similar. We're gonna be there for a day,
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but it's in the Caribbean somewhere. But again, Saint Martin, we're
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gonna be at Bahamas as well. So it's gonna be It is gonna be
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a well well deserved vacation at this point, especially after you know, the
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campaign stuff that my family and I have been through the past eight months and
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especially past two months. Just really busy with it and I can't wait for
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it. But I don't know what to do with the show that week.
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Maybe just not do the show, I guess. I mean I always do.
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You're you're the one that does all the like the technical stuff like there's
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there's no It's not like eric Ry are going to learn how to, you
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know, run a podcast while you're gone. So if you're the upload's there
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to do it, I mean, it's it's pretty much not gonna happen.
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I know, I don't know. Maybe I can get a couple interviews in
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the can or something like that. I've got some out takes. Yeah,
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I mean, I guess you an interview show, like a pre recorded interview
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show probably wouldn't be a bad idea. Yeah, maybe maybe I'll do that,
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because I mean we do that. I do that with the table talk
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show Opposition Territory, So maybe I'll throw something in there. So I just
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wanted to let everybody know that, right, off the bat that about a
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month or so, I'm going to be in the Caribbean. Hopefully the ship
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doesn't sink. I'm a little concerned about that. I think you'll. I
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mean, I've never been on a cruise in my life, so I don't
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know what they're like. But they're fantastic. Those things are pretty much floating
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cities. All right, all right, folks, Well we're going to get
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into this show here. Let's get into lend the Philadelphia Phillies. As I
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was mentioning before, you know what pitchers they're gonna be kicking the tires on.
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Is it gonna be show? Hey, Otani, you know we talked
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about Sonny Gray last week when Eric was on the pod as well, if
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that's gonna be a viable option for this team, because I mean, when
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when we look at what this team really wants to bring in during this offseason,
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another starting pitcher, of course, some type of possible closer. And
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I don't think it's necessarily gonna be a quote high end closer, you know,
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maybe like a second tier type closer. But in terms of the actual
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pitchers themselves, I think, you know, they may be looking at a
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Sonny Gray maybe Blake Snell, Marcus Stroman even you know, Eric was even
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talking about Yamamoto, you know, whether or not they could possibly bring him
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in. I just don't think because there's that chatter out there about Otani where
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he's gonna go, what he's gonna get paid, I actually don't. I
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think he is actually the one player where when it comes to how he could
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fit into this Phillies team, I just don't even know if the Phillies are
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gonna kick the tires on him, because it's like, what are you gonna
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do with Schwarber then, because you know Schwarber's not going anywhere? I mean,
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he really is the glue for this team in a lot of different ways.
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You know, Reese is probably at this point gonna be gone, as
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we know they did not you know, qualifying offer. We know what happened
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there, So it's gonna be Bryce Harper at first base. I just don't
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know if Otani is actually going to be a viable option. I don't even
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if they're gonna kick the tires on him. So what do you think?
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And Lenn about Otani and just kind of where the starting pitcher situation is going
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for this team in terms of this offseason. Okay, so some quick thoughts
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on Otani. First things first, he had I believe, a procedure done
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on his throwing arm. Yeah, even if you get him, he's not
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pitching in twenty twenty four, So right, he's off the table. I
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mean even if even if the Phillies were to get him, that would be
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all awesome. Do they kick the tires on him? Sure? I mean
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there's no It doesn't cost you anything to talk to the guy and you know,
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just put together presentation. You know, he's seen that. You know,
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he's been on a team that is chronically underachieved every single year he's been
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in there. Yeah, and going back to before he was ever a Los
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Angeles angel So to to be talked to a team that has made two,
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you know, fairly deep playoff runs, you know, the past couple of
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years is probably something that's intriguing to him. Do I think they would have
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a shot at him now? I think that there's I think he's going to
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end up a Dodger. They have the money. I think, you know,
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Steve Cohen in New York, if he decides he wants to join another
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you know, team that you know isn't quite assured of a playoff spot.
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You know, maybe he goes there. Maybe he just goes for the money
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because Cohen will pay him probably more than anybody. But if he's looking for
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a team that you know, has has made some long playoff runs and a
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guy that's you know, committed to to spend the money, I don't know
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what what you know what the Phillies and and Middleton have left to spend.
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But I mean he's shown while shell out the money, and they've shown that
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they've won in the past, so it's a viable option. You at least
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talk to the guy and and and see what's what really quick, I think
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I I wonder if the Texas Rangers would actually go after him. You know,
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their owner is a guy that has shown will spend money. To exact,
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he dumped a truckload of money on on uh Corey Seeger and Marcus Simeon
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and and you know they picked up two expensive starters in Scherzer and Jacob de
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Gram. So yeah, he's shown that it will spend the money too.
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So they are absolutely in play for for to definitely so, but yeah,
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I mean there's no harm in in at least asking. But yeah, I
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don't. I don't think he's gonna be the you know he's going to be
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coming here to Philadelphia. Yeah, I don't think he is either. What
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are your thoughts on like guys that are real potential and possibilities. I mean,
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like I said, Eric and I were talking about Sonny Gray last week,
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and I think Marcus Stroman, I think there's possibility that he could be
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coming here as well, maybe even Blake Snell. What are your thoughts.
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I'm of the opinion that, Okay, even if you get Nola, I
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won a second starting pitcher. I mean, if this is me, you
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know this is not what they're going to do. But I'm just telling you,
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if I was John Middleton or Dave Dombrowski, I am going into this
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offseason wanting to either retain Nola and get another starting pitcher or get or if
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Nola walks, then get two starting pitchers. I want death in that rotation
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because you really don't have it. You've got Wheeler, You've got Suarez,
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You've got Taiwan Walker, who's you know, in a pissy mood because he
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wasn't using the playoffs. So those are three guys, and maybe I'm forgetting
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somebody I'm counting on it. I'm just saying, if Nola's gone, what
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else do you have? Mick Abel is still in the miners painters, probably
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get over there. Yeah, Peter's not going to be there because he had
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Tommy John. You won't see him until twenty twenty five. That's true.
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That's true. So you need depth. I think you need two starters,
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whether it's Nola and another guy, or two guys. I wouldn't you know,
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if Nola walks, I wouldn't mind seeing them. Try to get both
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Sonny Gray and a guy like Jordan Montgomery. Yeah, those are guys that
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I think maybe you can get those two for slightly more than just Nola alone.
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I think you could do that and you could build some depth in your
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rotation. A guy I absolutely would spend the money on is that Yamamoto guy
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from Japan. He's twenty five. He's one Japan's version of the cy Young
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Award three times now as a twenty five year old. So yeah, that
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that's a guy. Especially, that's the guy that you could You know,
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Nola's thirty, Jordan Montgomery's thirty. Snell is in that range too, So
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I'd rather give the money in the years to a twenty five year old.
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It is a little scary because he's unproven, because he's never pitched in the
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you know, major League Baseball. But I think it's worth the risk.
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I like Yamamoto enough. He is my top target if Nola leaves, obviously
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you try to you already had that relationship with Nola. You try to get
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him back. Snell, I'm interested in that. You're talking about a guy
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that won a cy Young Award tonight. He I believe won a second siong
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Award yep. But that is a guy that you know, there's question marks
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with a lot of these guys. That's a guy that doesn't go deep into
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games. So if you if you get Blake Snell, you better be ready
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for five, six innings and out. So you better realize that if you
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go to with Blake's now is he is he a better pitcher than Nola when
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he's in there? I think he is. But Nola will give you seven
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innings. Blake Spell doesn't do that, So that's something you have to consider
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there. Sonny Gray, who I like, is a guy that keeps the
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ball in the park. But this is a guy that when he was in
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New York. You can ask our friend Dave about it. As a Yankees
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fan. He did not respond well to the you know, Northeast, big
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city pressure market thing. So has he matured since then? He was thirty
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four too, right, Yeah, so that's another guy you know that wouldn't
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be a big year contract, maybe three years. There is the relationship there
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with a pitching coach, Caleb Gothain. They were both on on the in
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the rotation together at Vanderbilt in college, so there's there's that familiarity there.
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That's why I think Sonny Gray is a guy that is definitely in play for
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for the Phillies. It would not surprise me at all to see Sonny Gray
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in the Phillies uniform next year. But you know, there's that question there.
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He's got to prove that in a pressure market like a Philadelphia in New
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York of Boston, that he can hack it there. But yeah, I
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just like everybody talks about different needs for the Phillies. Oh they need a
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you know, I got another bat in the lineup that actually has an approach
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and I don't disagree with that. Oh we need a closer. Not really,
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I'll get to the closer thing in a minute. But to me,
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I think you need two starting pitchers now as far as the closer thing goes,
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You know the thing with Hater, I I'm not like their bullpen was
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pretty good last year. I mean, I know bullpens tend to vary,
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but they've got a bunch of guys that can throw hard. I don't think
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you have to have, oh, this is the closer, this is the
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ninth ending guy. Let you know, go try to get a couple of
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value arms in there like you did with Hoffman, and then, you know,
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just have a bullpen of guys throw hard and let Rob Thompson mix and
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matches as he sees fit and play the matchup. Let the manager manage.
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I've got I've got no problem with that. I completely get where you're coming
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does I think I think a big name closer is a waste of money?
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Okay, all right, I think that's fair. I do wonder though,
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how certain aspects of the bullpen having undefined roles might actually pose some issues,
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because I think we did see that, you know, every now and again
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in this twenty twenty three season. I completely get where you're coming from.
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Let the manager manage and quite Frankly, Rob Thompson did a pretty damn good
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job throughout the course of the season. From a macro perspective, did a
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very good job. But having defined roles I think in the bullpen can be
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very helpful for a team. And I don't know, I completely bad thing,
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but I I mean having a guy that's you know, I only pitch
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in the ninth inny or you know that. I know. Yeah, I
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don't know. I mean, grow up, we're here to win. We're
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not here, you know. You know, you're you're getting paid handsomely to
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throw an inning of professional baseball right every couple of days, like, let's
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relax. So yeah, I don't know. And that's just me, the
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you know, the non you know, never played you know, above little
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league, you know, as far as baseball goes in my life. You
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know, I'm sure a professional athlete might scoff that opinion, but hey,
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I mean that's what it is. I don't care about your role. I
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want to win. Yeah, So yeah, I just think from a team
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building you know, yeah, I've heard, you know, they're looking at
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trading castianos. I mean, good luck. I don't think that's going to
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happen. Just two, you know, three years, sixty million left on
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that contract. I don't see it. So yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know what they're going to do. Maybe they go the trade route,
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but I don't know the guys that are out there. I don't know
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if they have the ammunition for it from a young player or or you know
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minor league thing, like like a guy like Corbin Burns from Milwaukee. It
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looks like Milwaukee's kind of maybe breaking things up a little bit. Yeah,
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and they're maybe gonna start rebuilding a little bit. Yeah, Corbyn Burns would
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look great in a in a Phillies uniform if they could extend them. But
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there there's teams out there, like I look at a team like the Orioles
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that have all this minor lake. They all their all their position players are
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basically filled already, right, and they've still got guys from the miners coming
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up, like a guy like Jackson Holliday, who's a number one overall prospect
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in baseball. You've got a couple of outfield prospects that are coming up,
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so they don't have room for all these guys. So that's a team that
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if they could, you know, spend the money and convince Burns to sign
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with them beyond next year because it's a free agent after next year. That's
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a team that could give Milwaukee a couple of pieces in Milwaukee would be like,
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hell yeah, the Phillies from a prospect standpoint, I don't think they
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can play in that in that ballpark, But which is why they don't need
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to, which is why they need to sign Aaron Nola. You know what
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I mean. Look, I I wanted to know look him back. Yeah,
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because like I said earlier, Yeah, I mean he you know,
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has his moments where he just doesn't look like a guy that should be making
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all that money. But you know, that's two hundred innings you need to
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fill somehow, some way if he leaves. I mean, that's you know,
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for for what he doesn't do sometimes. And you know, I know
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the era was like four point three something this year or whatever it was,
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but he gives you innings and not a lot of guys do that anymore.
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Yeah. Look, he's as we all know, he's made it to the
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All Star Game at one point in his career. He's got more than fifteen
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hundred strikeouts in his career. He's tossed three shutouts, He's had three seasons
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where he's finished in the top ten and Cy Young voting. I mean,
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yeah, i'd close to exactly. He's due to get that close to two
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hundred million dollar contract, you know, And and we saw what he did
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during the latter part of this season, and that whole Aaron Nola in September
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narrative, I really think is kind of out the door at this point.
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You know, like you said, yeah, he's not perfect by any stretch.
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You know, Oh my gosh, I remember going to the Father's Day
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game this past year. It was terrible. He pitched awful. It was
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terrible. But then you know, two weeks later he's bouncing back. And
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you know, you like to see a baseball player where if they have a
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bad outing, and especially a pitcher, it's not going to completely get in
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their head. They're able to rebound. Aaron Knowle has been able to do
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with that, and that's why I want him in the starting rotation. Yeah,
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and that's why I want to, you know, two starters, because
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Okay, next year is the final year of Zach Wheeler's contract, It's the
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final year of Ranger Suarez's contract. So what if you don't get those guys
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back now, you know, Okay, is Mick abel ready? Is Andrew
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Paynter all the way back from his injury? Is he ready? Yeah,
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there's a lot of questions. That's why I think you need more than one
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starting pitcher, because there's a lot of depth questions that I don't know if
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they've got him answered. Yep, good conversations, good questions were we're asking
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here and we're going to keep talking about this Phillies team and what this off
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season is going to be looking like in the future for sure, and we'd
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love to hear from you out there. You can certainly shoot us off a
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tweet on the Twitter dot com or X. I shouldn't be calling it.
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I keep I keep not wanting to call it X, but like it's becoming
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more and more of a thing with folks calling it X. Now, Lenn,
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I'm feeling like I need to, but I don't want to as it's
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as it goes on longer as that you know, people, it's like anything
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you know, you get used to, you know, something being called something
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over time, you get worn down and you know, in a year,
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calling it X is gonna sound completely naturals as dumb name as it is,
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and it is dumb because if you if you go back and look at Elon
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Musk's history, he tries to name everything X. He has a weird,
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weird fetish with that letter and I don't understand it. But whatever, Well,
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I got to tell you right now, I am feeling really good about
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this Philadelphia seventy six Ers team. And yes, I know that they lost
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the Celtics tonight, tough game, tough game in Philly. They also ended
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up losing to the Pacers, which was their second loss of the season.
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But this Sixers team, they are still at the top of the Eastern Conference
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here and again, Lynn, don't think anybody saw this happening. And for
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God's sake, Tyrese Maxi putting up fifty points this past Sunday, I want
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to really talk about him here because I was thinking to myself, is there
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a Sixers player or even another like NBA player who has developed more quickly than
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Tyrese Maxi has at this point in his career or their career. I don't
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know if I can actually. I mean, of course, you have the
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Lebron James of the world. You know, once in a generation type of
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athlete, you know, freaking Michael Jordan. Of course, you know,
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I'm not talking about the most elite level, but I'm saying a pick in
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Tyrese Maxi that came here and we weren't really expecting this a few years ago
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when he was drafted Lynn. I don't think we were expecting this from Maxie,
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the fact that he is able to do what he does on the court.
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He's got this lethal combination of this this like game changing speed and elite
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shooting that has made him a dangerous player here in the NBA. And it's
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happened in a short period of time. He's continuing to develop here. It
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is something that is so wonderful to see. Man, I know you would
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probably agree on this, but man, it's it's incredible not having James Harden
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here to see what more Tyrese Maxi has been able to do this year and
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where it's taking this Sixers team. Man, it's fantastic to watch. Yeah,
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it is. I mean, it's so funny watching James Harden in LA
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and just how poorly that team is performing with him just gumming up the works.
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He's the system. He's the system himself. Well, what an ass
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I mean that it's it's I mean, it's just beautiful to see, you
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know, MAXI develop into this player that I didn't think he could. I
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didn't think he had this level in him. I'll be done honest with you.
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I thought he was a good player. I thought he'd be maybe slightly
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better than he was last year. But I mean, I hopefully he can
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keep up what he's doing right now. But man, I didn't I didn't
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see all this coming. He looks like an All Star. He looks like
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he's getting into super stardom. Yeah, I mean, he looks like a
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guy that, you know, when this season is over, you might be
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talking about him as a top twenty player in the NBA. Yeah, maybe
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top fifteen. So I mean that, you know, maybe he's the guy
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that they've been looking for all along to compliment Embiid. You know, you
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thought it was gonna be Simmons, and maybe he thought it was going to
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be false, and then you thought it was going to be hard, and
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you know, maybe he's the guy that we've been looking for along. I
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don't know. I mean, it's still so early in the season. I
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want to see him continue to do this. But yeah, I mean I
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don't know. You talked about a guy that you know, maybe he uh,
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you know, how who do you compare him to? I mean,
24:22
I don't. I don't. I think he a guy that I'm looking at
24:26
in terms of, like, you know, making a leap and and being
24:30
considered a young star on the rise, is actually a guy that was in
24:33
the same draft as him, but a guy that was more highly regarded.
24:37
And that's uh when I think of him, same first name, oddly enough,
24:41
But I look at a guy like Tyrese Haliburton on the Indiana team that
24:45
that that split with Philadelphia recently. That's the guy that you know, a
24:51
lot of people liked him coming out, and he played well. He was
24:55
drafted by Sacramento and then got traded in uh Indiana. But he's he's gotten
25:00
better each year to the point where like now people are looking at him like
25:03
a star player. But I don't. I think people were higher on him
25:08
than they were on Maxie when he came out. Haliburton was drafted twelfth overall,
25:12
whereas MAXI was twenty first overall. But man, if you did a
25:17
redraft right now, Maxy, I don't, I mean, he doesn't get
25:22
out of the top five. You know, you've got Anthony Edwards, You've
25:26
got you know, Halliburton, and then I think it might be maybe you
25:30
can make a case for LaMelo Ball. But after that, I mean maybe
25:34
even third overall. I think I think it would be Maxy at this point.
25:37
Absolutely, maybe second, who knows, I would say, I would
25:41
probably say second, And it goes to show I put maybe only behind Anthony
25:45
Edwards in that draft at this point. Yeah, absolutely, because like,
25:49
really, who has developed quicker? Like from a sixer standpoint, I mean,
25:53
I don't even think we could necessarily say that about you know, Joel
25:56
Embiid. Then again, very different start to their careers. Joel Embiid was
26:00
injured and injured and injured throughout the course of his early part of his career.
26:04
But Embiid was a guy too that like, like I remember reading,
26:07
you know, because there was that the big three in that draft. There
26:10
was Wiggins and there's the guy he's escaping me. That's so bad that he
26:15
was the number two overall pick and and and he's escaping me now, and
26:18
then it was Embiid. And I remember seeing the scouting report on Embiid and
26:22
it was basically if this guy stays healthy, he could be like a generational
26:27
talent as a center, and that's come to fruition honestly, So yeah,
26:33
I mean, but but so there was that okay, yep, yeah,
26:41
yeah, guy that completely washed out. But now yeah, he's not even
26:45
is he even playing anymore? Who's he drafted by the Bucks? I think
26:48
he was. He was a second overall. But yeah, I mean,
26:52
Wiggins was was quote unquote the guy. I mean, he's had a nice
26:56
career, he's he's you know, he's had a decent career and he's wanna
27:00
with Golden State. So yeah, I mean, he's probably got no complaints
27:03
as far as here his career goes. But yeah, I mean, but
27:07
Embiid was looked at as like, Okay, if he stays healthy, he's
27:11
gonna be, you know, the guy for his team. Yeah, whereas
27:15
I mean, honestly, I remember when Max he was drafted. I was
27:18
like, Eric was higher on him than I was. I was just like,
27:22
hopefully he's good. I don't know, but but yeah, he's Uh,
27:29
he's obviously turned out to be a whole hell of a lot better than
27:30
I thought it was gonna be. His drive is amazing. You know,
27:33
just again, like his the way that he is disciplined with his speed is
27:40
really incredible. And as of a couple of days ago, averaging twenty eight
27:44
point six points per game, seven point two assists, and five point four
27:48
rebounds. It's just it's incredible the way that he has developed over these years,
27:55
and he keeps getting better and better and better. And as Joel Embiid
27:59
said, you know, and Beide was like, you know, I hope
28:00
he he remains a Sixer for the rest of his career. If he does,
28:04
I think we're going to see some real special stuff from him. I
28:07
mean, even if he's not in Philadelphia, you know, maybe four or
28:10
five years down the road. I mean, he's going to be due for
28:11
that contract very very soon. But Len, man, it's just after the
28:18
drama of last year and after just feeling like this Sixers team wasn't going to
28:22
be doing anything this season, wasn't going to be going anywhere, and the
28:26
fact that they are still a top this this Eastern Conference here, and with
28:32
what Tyrese Maxey has been giving this team and this fan base, it's like,
28:37
man, you know what this is. I don't think this is going
28:38
to be a lost season. Yeah, and you know, we knew the
28:42
scoring was there. We knew, you know, he plays fast. We
28:47
knew that was there. But what was really like, I don't know if
28:51
surprised is the right word, but I've just really have been impressed with is
28:56
you know, Okay, we had that thought of Okay, if Harden can
29:00
force his way out of Philadelphia, can Tyrese Maxi handle the playmaking duties?
29:03
Can he be the lead initiator for for this team? And he's done a
29:10
great job so far going into that. You know, obviously I think he
29:12
had a bit of a rough game from an assist to turnover standpoint in that
29:17
Indiana game that they lost, and tonight he had four assists and two turnovers.
29:22
But prior to those two games, he had a five to one assist
29:26
the turnover ratio pretty damn good. So he's been He's been really distributing the
29:30
ball well in addition to the scoring, the shooting, you know, everything
29:36
that he's been doing has been has been so much better than I thought it
29:40
was going to be this year. Not that I thought he was going to
29:41
be bad, but again I didn't expect all this. Yeah, yeah,
29:45
it's going to be interesting. To see what you know happens the rest of
29:48
this season, and of course you know we've got we've got the big games
29:52
coming up on Christmas, still have well over a month before that. But
29:56
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31:18
gonna take a quick break. We'll be back in just a bit with some
31:21
Union talk. We're gonna get in some University of Michigan talk and some Philadelphia
31:25
Eagles talk. Let's take that break right now. All right, we are
31:29
back and Len, let's get into this Philadelphia Union team really quick here as
31:36
they are heading to the Eastern Conference semifinals to face Cincinnati. It's gonna be
31:41
taking place at the end of November. I don't think they actually have any
31:45
of the date set in terms of the Eastern Conference Semifinals at this point.
31:49
They took our business when they faced New England. They won the first two
31:53
games. It was two out of three games in the first round, and
31:57
they're looking to potentially make it back to the Eastern Conference Finals. You and
32:02
I were kind of talking about this a little bit before we hit the record
32:06
button, but it's it's it's an interesting feel with regard to this Union team
32:12
because they they didn't have the most inspiring performance to say, leading into this
32:21
playoff run here, and there's just that there's just this weird air around this
32:24
team right now, a team that's already you know, carried some questionable vibes
32:30
really heading into the playoffs here. So, uh, they're gonna be facing
32:34
Cincinnati. Cincinnati certainly is gonna be a formidable opponent. I wonder if they
32:37
can get back to the finals. So I don't know, what do you
32:42
think? What do you think about this team here? Are you kind of
32:43
getting that as well? Just some some really weird vibes you know from this
32:47
team heading into uh, you know, this this next round of the playoffs.
32:52
Well, I think you know, if you're down on those team,
32:54
chances are you know, it's just because maybe you're comparing it to last year
33:00
where you know, the Union came in as the number one seed in the
33:04
East and and they made it through, you know, to the MLS Cup
33:07
Championship game. Whereas this year there the fourth seed. So it's been a
33:13
bit of a more down year than it was last year. So if you're
33:16
making that comparison, that's probably where you're running into a lot of that kind
33:22
of stuff. They did have some games this year where it's just like and
33:25
you dropped that one, like, you know, you lost that teams that
33:30
there were times, you know, and I watched them, you know,
33:32
a good deal more this year than I was able to in previous years,
33:36
just because I got that MLS package, so I was able to watch you
33:42
know, pretty much all the games, or was last year. Quite frankly,
33:45
I had trouble finding Union games I did, you know, especially you
33:52
know, living out here in central Pennsylvania. You know, you don't get
33:55
you know, some of the channels that you that I would get if I
33:59
was, you know, closer to Norristown where I'm from. Yeah, you
34:02
know, so yeah, you don't get that stuff. And I just I
34:06
had trouble, you know, getting some of the games. So yeah,
34:08
I keep forgetting about cable, dude, because I have because we cut the
34:12
cable a while ago, and I have LU you know what I mean,
34:15
And it's such a different world and get it all the time. Yeah,
34:17
to MLS's credit, you know, they're they're the package that they have with
34:23
with Apple TV. You know, it's not like you know MLB or or
34:29
I looked into an NBA League Pass. You know, if I get those,
34:34
I can't watch the Sixers of the Phillies, whereas with this thing with
34:37
there's no blackouts. So if I get this package, I can watch my
34:42
I can watch the Union. I'm not. I don't have that dumb blackout
34:45
thing. So good on MLS for that. They don't do you know a
34:49
lot of stuff right, but they got that right for sure. Honestly,
34:52
it's a lot more than I can say for some of these other leaks.
34:55
But anyway, I'm kind of going off on a tangent there. So yeah,
34:59
it's it's it's not what it was last year. And you know,
35:01
going in this game against Cincinnati, who is the number one seed in the
35:05
East this year, who has won the Supporter Shield this year as the as
35:09
the best regular season team in MLS, which you know, the Union did
35:15
do a couple of years ago. But you know, so they're rightfully looked
35:20
at as the top dog in the East right now. So I think it
35:22
is going to be a bit of an uphill climb for the Union, and
35:24
you know, you have, you know, the situation going on with Kai
35:29
Wagner, who's one of their best defenders, who you know, is suspended
35:35
for three games now games for the racial slur against one of the members of
35:39
the New England Revolution. Yeah. Yeah, And as I understand from reading
35:45
about it, Bobby Wood is he has African American ethnicity and he has Asian
35:49
American American ethnicity. I think Wagner said something about the Asian part of him
35:54
and it was overheard, and you know, Wagner admitted to it, and
35:59
he's, hey, I apologize, I did do it. But so he's
36:02
got a three game ban. So he missed the the the second game against
36:06
New England. He's going to miss this game, and if the Union are
36:09
fortunate enough to advance, he's going to miss the Eastern Conference Final if if
36:15
they if and and and that's a three game ban regardless of whatever in MLS.
36:20
So it's probably gonna be more too, because he admitted to the offense
36:24
just immediately to the league and in an apology on Instagram as well. Because
36:30
of that immediate cooperation, the league handed him lighter sentence of the three games,
36:35
it would have been more. There are other guys that yes, denied
36:38
it and they got longer sentences because of it. Now, let's say the
36:42
Union get knocked out here and he signs with and and that's the second game.
36:46
If he signs with another MLS team next year, he will have to
36:51
set sit out the first game of that season two, regardless who it's with.
36:54
But honestly, I think Wagner is heading back to Europe after this year.
37:00
So I think he's gone from now MLS after this year, regardless of
37:06
whatever happens. But he's been he's been a great player for the Union.
37:09
So he's a guy that they're seriously going to miss. Jacob Glesnes is I
37:14
believe still that with an injury, So that's another guy from their defense they're
37:17
going to miss. So you know, you're missing some key pieces there.
37:22
And you know, Cincinnati is not the kind of team that you can afford
37:25
to have that many guys out against exactly, you know, go on the
37:30
road and expect to beat them. So I'll be watching. I hope to
37:36
God the Union can somehow find a way to pull this out. I'm not
37:38
optimistic I do think that Cincinnati will move on to the Eastern Conference Final,
37:44
but hey, hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully. I don't think it's going to
37:47
be the Union's year. I just don't. Again, it's been a bizarre
37:51
season. Like I said, there's been a weird feel in the air and
37:53
atmosphere with regard to this, this playoff, and just just just the vibes
38:00
arounding this team. So hopefully we're wrong. But we'd love to hear from
38:02
you. What are you thinking about this Philadelphia sports table at gmail dot com.
38:07
We'd love to read your email here on the show and respond to it.
38:09
Yeah, and that game is the twenty fifth of November. Is it
38:13
officially the twenty fifth? Okay, yeah, there's I think both the Eastern
38:16
Conference games are that day, and I believe, if I'm not mistaken,
38:21
that that's the later game, let's say an eight pm start. I gotcha.
38:23
When I was putting this agenda together, I don't think they actually released
38:27
the dates yet. Yeah. I just went on ESPN site and that's what
38:31
it says on it. So hopefully they got their stuff right. All right,
38:35
sounds good? And lend before I let you head out of here,
38:37
buddy, and before we get to what we're throwing down on the table,
38:40
wanted to talk about a certain college football program that's been in the news.
38:45
You may have heard, folks about the University of Michigan their football program,
38:50
the scandals, the transgressions, the cheating, the scouting issues that they are
38:58
dealing with there, Harbaugh getting suspended. And what kills me len is the
39:04
fan base. And I get that just about every fan base, they like
39:07
to defend their their team. They like to come to the defense. You
39:12
know, we do that every now and again in the world of Philly sports.
39:15
In fact, I think in the world of Philly sports, we're more
39:17
honest and we're more hard on our teams. And uh, you know,
39:22
whether it was you know, Penn State from many years ago with Jerry Sandusky,
39:25
and yes, it's a different, completely different situation than what happened at
39:30
the University of Michigan and what Harbaugh and his crew were doing. But still,
39:35
you know, we're honest when it comes to you know what, if
39:37
somebody did something wrong, you're a jerk, you're an idiot. You gotta
39:42
face the consequences. But man, I am so tired of this Wolverine fan
39:47
base. Acting like they are some sort of victims. You know, their
39:52
fan base really needs to empty out their diapers with regard to this particular situation.
39:59
And yes, and I get it. There's some debate as to whether
40:01
or not the Big Ten should have suspended Jim Harbaugh on this past Friday.
40:08
However, however, the counter argument to that is, you know, was
40:14
the Big Ten or did they have enough evidence to discipline the program for cheating?
40:21
Okay, and the punishment, whether or not you agree with it or
40:22
not, I mean it was pretty weak, to be honest with you.
40:27
Harbaugh is suspended, but he can still recruit and coach the team during the
40:32
week, so you know what, I say whatever to this, But at
40:37
the end of the day, for me, with this entire situation is is
40:39
that questions still need to be answered. How much did Harbaugh know? Did
40:45
anyone else on the staff know? How much of a competitive advantage did Michigan
40:50
gain this year? And even in previous years? You think this was the
40:52
only year that this was going on. Harbaugh is not a victim. Michigan
40:59
isn't a vict them. This is the second time he was suspended this year.
41:02
Don't let all these tears out there full you, folks, Michigan is
41:07
no longer this you know, lovable underdog trying to win a national title despite
41:12
you know, not recruiting like Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State. You know
41:17
again, don't let the tears full you. I'm so tired of this storyline
41:22
of oh poor Michigan, shut up god, it really it really annoys me
41:28
when it really does. The guy did something. There was certainly some sort
41:32
of evidence from the Big Ten and or the NCAA to at least suspend him.
41:38
Man, I could keep going on and pontificating for an hour about this,
41:44
because it really really bothers me the way that this fan base has reacted
41:50
to the suspension here. I don't know what are your thoughts on it here,
41:53
and I'd love to hear what you think of Harball and the Michigan Wolverine
41:59
football program. Body, well, I'm I don't have the vitriol that you
42:07
know. I'm not making a joke here. I don't have the vitriol that
42:10
you do because A, I mean, you actually graduated from the like I
42:15
can hear in that diatribe that you just had. I can hear the resentment
42:21
and the vitriol dripping off of you. As a Penn State alum and a
42:25
diehard Penn State fan, I'm someone that will still watch college football. But
42:30
basically, you know, you've heard me complain about this before. There's really
42:36
only about four or five teams that actually have a chance, and that is
42:42
kind of you know, I and Penn State is not one of those,
42:46
right, I don't care if Harball was on the sideline or not. Penn
42:50
State was never winning that game. Penn State, and I'm sorry, is
42:55
never winning these games against Michigan or Ohio State now with the current structure.
43:01
Not with the current structure, they are not winning those games. Their ceiling
43:07
is ten and two, and losing those two games every single year that is
43:10
their ceiling. So you know, I don't have that thing. But but
43:15
I look at Michigan and I kind of laugh because it's like, well,
43:20
okay, do I believe what you know? I've heard, you know,
43:23
some Michigan fans saying like, oh, all these schools are doing this.
43:27
Yes, I believe that to be true. I think a lot of schools
43:30
are doing something like this. But where Michigan gets in trouble is they were
43:35
so dumb like, thank God they're not arrogant, because they they left a
43:42
massive paper trail. I mean, You've got a guy that was making fifty
43:45
grand a year and he's flying all over the place to go to these games.
43:50
And it's like, I've I've made fifty grand a year before, I
43:55
can't afford to fly. I make more than that now, and I can't
43:59
afford to fly, like you know what I mean. It's just like,
44:04
unless you have zero weather expenses in your life, you can't afford to do
44:07
that. So it just like guys come on like at least try to cover
44:13
it up. That's that's where I kind of laugh with the whole thing.
44:15
And that's where I kind of roll my eyes at the at the Michigan fan
44:21
base. And and I do agree with them in terms of that. Yeah,
44:24
I'm sure other schools do this. I would bet almost anything. So
44:30
yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I just
44:38
don't you know. I think the punishment is perfectly fine. I mean I
44:44
think you could you could have done more to them. I don't really know.
44:45
I mean maybe in that Ohio State game, maybe having harball on the
44:51
sideline matters, But does it does a coach. I mean, does a
44:53
head coach really matter that much? I don't know. I think so to
45:00
an extent. And I think there's a lot of optics that go into various
45:06
sports, whether or not it's football, basketball, hockey, there's there are
45:10
certain optics that I think do help teams in various ways throughout the game.
45:16
And for me, just with regard to this situation Land, the whole Michigan
45:22
versus everybody, Oh my god, it just that's, you know, honestly
45:28
crazy. I think a lot of Like honestly, I I like, I
45:31
remember, you know, people and you're if you're a fan base that is
45:36
under attack, and you know, and I'm I'm still I'm I'm Penn State
45:42
fan too. I I want them to succeed. But everybody was doing that
45:46
back when you know they were under attack. You remember what that was like,
45:51
and you remember, like I remember going on ESPN and pissed off at
45:53
all these you know, death penalty and all this stuff. But sorry,
45:58
you know, Paterno, if he didn't know, he should have known.
46:02
I think he probably did know. But if he didn't know, he should
46:07
have known. And same thing with horrible here. If he didn't know,
46:09
I don't know how he couldn't have known exactly. He should have known.
46:13
You are you are the coach, you are the CEO of this enterprise.
46:17
But he said there's a pay per trail, there's a pay portrayal here.
46:21
For God's sake, of course he has to know. So yeah, I
46:24
don't think there's any way he couldn't have known. Yeah, I guess you
46:28
know before I let you go a buddy and stuff. It's Michigan is paying
46:30
a consequence for breaking the rules. And yes, there's an ongoing investigation into
46:37
the sign stealing scandal here to just actually see how deep it goes. Some
46:42
are going to tell you it was a marginal competitive advantage. Others are going
46:46
to tell you they were flat out cheating to win games this year and in
46:50
the past. And there's probably somewhere in the middle there where there's a lot
46:52
of gray that we're gonna find out some more information. There's an extreme scenario
46:58
in which, you know, some kid on another team gets run over and
47:01
gets really hurt by this defense, and they could potentially go and sue.
47:07
You knew you guys knew this play was coming because of your your your spying.
47:12
And now I don't have a career anymore, or I can't walk anymore
47:15
because I walked into you know, three defensive linemen flattening me. So that
47:22
possibility, you know, as crazy as it sounds, does exist. So
47:24
yeah, I mean, I just I don't know how you know, how
47:30
you could possibly think that that he didn't know. I mean it just and
47:34
and the other thing is, you know, the optics of it. Are
47:36
you know that this guy is going to end up coaching half a regular season.
47:42
This isn't his even his first three game suspension this year because of the
47:46
whole recruiting scandal. So it's just like, dude, you know, at
47:51
a certain point, you keep having this stuff happen. I mean, and
47:55
you're looking around at everybody else like come on, man, Like I don't
48:00
even have the hate for Michigan that I used to have. And it's like,
48:02
dude, come on, come back to planet Earth, you know what
48:06
I mean, Like, I just it's crazy to me. It absolutely is.
48:09
All Right, good conversation there, buddy, good conversation. We're gonna
48:14
get to some Eagles talking just a bit here with our guest this week,
48:17
OJ Spivey from the Philadelphia Tribune. So before I let you go. You
48:22
got any last thoughts here before before we get to what we're thrown down on
48:27
the table. No, I just I hope the Phillies. I don't know.
48:35
It's gonna be an interesting offseason. I could have trade happened. I
48:38
don't know what the Phillies have to put on the table to make it happen.
48:42
But Dombrowski has done stuff like that in the past, So we'll see
48:45
what he does, and we'll see what happens with this stretch of games with
48:51
the Eagles coming up here, you know, tough one against Kansas City and
48:57
that Buffalo game sudden suddenly doesn't look as tough because they're just a shambles offensively
49:02
right now. Yep. But they do have a tough stretch coming up,
49:06
so it'll be interesting. It will be interesting, for sure. So buddy,
49:08
I'm gonna let you head out of here. Getta get some good sleep
49:13
tonight. Okay, get some good sleep. How you been sleeping lately?
49:17
Well, I mean, being on vacation definitely helps the Yeah, I'll probably
49:22
wash them dishes and have a couple more beers and then I'll come to that
49:25
nice Yeah. I can't tell you after this election, Like I'm sleeping so
49:29
well. I honestly feel like I have a five hundred pound weight off my
49:32
shoulders, like I have, Like I feel like I have hardly any stress
49:37
throughout the day. And of course I'm busy with my job, with my
49:40
side business. I'm busy with the show here and stuff like that. But
49:44
it's like, man, I got like a five hundred pound weight off my
49:46
shoulders. It's fantastic. It's like the stress level it's down so significantly.
49:52
And that's why I don't know why anybody gets involved in politics, like honestly,
49:58
because it's it's it's like, you know, it's like asking the pretty
50:01
girl out and and you know, maybe she's gonna say no. It's a
50:06
referendum not only on you as as a person that has these principles of these
50:10
policies, but it's you know, kind of a referendum on like the way
50:15
people view you as a person. And that's like, that's a hell of
50:19
a thing to put yourself through every couple of years. I don't know why
50:22
people do it. I really don't. I don't know why I do it.
50:25
I'm just kidding, I know why I do it. But all right,
50:29
well, buddy, I'm gonna let you go. We are gonna get
50:31
to some Eagles talk, but we do need to take a break. We
50:34
will be back in just a bit. All right, we are back,
50:37
man. Let's get to this interview and discussion right now about the challenges that
50:43
are going to be facing this Philadelphia Eagles team after the bye week. As
50:45
Len mentioned, you know we got Kansas City Chiefs coming up, Bills,
50:50
Dallas Cowboys are going to be coming up as well. That's not going to
50:52
be an easy game. Those division games, we know how they go.
50:55
Let's get to our guest this week and this discussion. It's what we're throwing
50:59
tow on the table and now on the table, and it is great to
51:06
have back on the show. He is the award winning sports and culture journalist
51:12
over at the Philadelphia Tribune. You can find him on the Twitter. I'm
51:16
not calling it x yet, find him on Twitter at OJ Philly. We've
51:21
got OJ Spivey. How you doing, buddy, Thanks for joining us this
51:22
week. I'm great, Jeff, Thanks so much for having me. It's
51:27
great to have you, man. It's I cannot wait for this game.
51:30
The anticipation of what this Eagles Chiefs game is going to be this week,
51:35
And it wasn't necessarily going to be talking about this with you more along the
51:37
lines of the challenges that this Eagles team is going to be facing in the
51:40
coming weeks here and months. But man, this this upcoming game, it
51:45
is going to be I think a great one for us to you know,
51:49
remember at some point the other when we're talking about this season, This particular
51:52
game, I have a feeling is going to be one of those that we're
51:54
going to remember. Yeah, thanks so, Jeff. And not only you
51:59
know, well the networks this week hype it up as a uh, you
52:02
know, super Bowl revenge game or you know, the Super Bowl. You
52:07
can look at it that way, but I also think that it's an important
52:10
game for both teams, uh, to just measure themselves as far as,
52:15
okay, who is the best team not only in the in your conference,
52:20
but who is the best team in the NFL. And you have one game
52:23
separating separating each team. Of course, Eagles want to maintain having that number
52:30
one seed, having that pole position in the NFC, and the Chiefs do
52:34
as well. But over in the AFC, I think it's more of a
52:37
toss up and I think it's a little more wide open. Chiefs look a
52:40
little more vulnerable than the Eagles do. And you know, we'll we'll talk
52:45
about, you know, the Eagles challenges, I'm sure, but it's a
52:49
threat measurements stick for both teams to see where they stand as far as you
52:53
know, who ranks as the best team in the NFL. Absolutely when you
52:57
said it oj right there talking about some check challenges with this Eagles team,
53:01
Let's get into it, because this is not a perfect team by any stretch
53:06
of the imagination, from the offensive side of the ball, defensive side of
53:08
the ball, even special teams. So I really first would like to get
53:12
into where the running game has gone, where this Eagles rushing attack has really
53:17
gone, because DeAndre Swift is a great running back in my opinion, in
53:22
this league, and you know, he and this Eagles rushing attack, they
53:25
started out so strong this season. However, we've been seeing this rushing attack
53:30
really kind of take a back seat to an extent over over many weeks here,
53:35
and I'm wondering, are you feeling the same way. You know,
53:37
we certainly read the stats, we certainly read box scores, but I just
53:42
get that feeling that there is not as much prevalent, whether it's game preparation
53:46
or in game decision making focused on the rushing game and rushing attack. It
53:52
just doesn't seem like it's getting over the hump when it needs to be at
53:55
times during the games. What are your thoughts here with regard to the rushing
53:58
attack and what we might see in terms of its challenges in the future here,
54:02
h Jeff, I don't think you can just pinpoint one thing as far
54:07
as what's wrong with the running game. I think it's a it's a handful
54:09
of things. You can start with it being a product of hearst injury,
54:15
as far as being a being a dual threat. Uh, you can also
54:17
talk about I think it's still a lack of running running back death. You
54:22
know, we we've seen Swift get the run of the carries this year.
54:27
This is also new for him. He has not the ball, uh,
54:30
you know, for an entire season, whether that be injuries, whether that
54:34
just be touches and everything. So that's one thing that I want to keep
54:38
an eye on, you know, as we look at the second half of
54:42
the season so to speak, you know, can he carry the load the
54:45
rest of the season. Also I think you look at the injuries at right
54:49
guard. We know Cam Jurgens was out, uh you know these last four
54:52
or five games or so, he wasn't quite ready to come back against the
54:57
Cowboys. Hopefully they have him back, uh this this uh this coming week.
55:02
OpEd it was okay, was okay. We saw Tyler Steen, who
55:07
they're high on at right guard. You know, he was pretty solid,
55:10
but I still think, you know, he needs time and to possibly be
55:15
the heir apparent at that position, which are what the Eagles are looking for
55:19
in him. And you know, again just as the running back deph Boston
55:23
Scott has been hurt, and you know, the mystery of Rasha Penney,
55:28
I'm still wondering, you know, if dog had he not hes not picked
55:32
up the offense or is he not as good as Harry Roseman anticipated when he
55:38
picked him up in the off season. But he's really in my opinion,
55:43
I think he is that type of back that can carry the look, that
55:45
should be able to carry a load in short guardage. And you know,
55:50
we looked at the end of the Cowboys game, it was close because they
55:52
weren't able to close it out. You know as well, I'm sure we'll
55:55
mention as well. But I would think I would have thought coming into the
56:00
season that with Shapenny is the perfect ven for you to get those tough carries
56:05
at the end of the game and keep the chains moving and keep a great
56:08
offense like Dallas off the field. But that just hasn't happened. So you
56:14
know, those are a lot of factors that we'll see. Hopefully so can
56:16
carry the load. And I think even most importantly, once Cam Jurgens comes
56:22
back, you'll have a little more camaraderie with that offensive line, and you
56:25
know old lines, they love to run the ball more than anything else.
56:30
So we'll just see what happens with that. Absolutely look that you know,
56:34
there's a lot of question marks with regard to the offense. And you know,
56:37
as I mentioned just a few minutes ago, offensively, things are certainly
56:42
not perfect with this Eagles team. Yet yet they are in I think a
56:45
great position from an offensive rankings perspective when you look at the data that is
56:51
available to us, So I wonder OJ, you know, what do you
56:55
see now is the biggest challenge with this offense as it relates to the passing
57:00
game. Now that datas now the Dallas Goddard is going to be missing some
57:05
time because we know how prolific Davante Smith is, how prolific AJ Brown is.
57:10
Of course, but part of me thinks that you need more playmakers to
57:15
be able to get the ball down the field. Dallas Goddard was certainly one
57:19
of those players who's again going to be missing some time here. What is
57:22
the biggest challenge as it relates to the passing game with this offense? In
57:25
your opinion, yeah, I think now between Nick Sirianni and Brian Johnson,
57:30
they have to get a little more creative offensively. Now we've Goddard out because
57:35
he did give you that third element, that solid third element in the passing
57:39
game here and lockdown on Devonte Smith or AJ Brown you had to account for
57:47
Dallas got it down the middle, down the seams, so they're going to
57:51
be missing that. And with their lack of tight end depth, you know,
57:53
I know they have guys like Kakaterra and Stole who are pretty good blockers,
57:59
but they're not necessarily great pass catchers. And unlike what we've seen in
58:04
years past where you had the abundance of tight ends who catched the football with
58:08
for course, Thatchertz, you know, who will probably be looked at as
58:12
an all time egle, and then you they've drafted Dallas Goddard to be his
58:16
heir apparent. And there were times where you had both those guys out there
58:20
where you know, you didn't have to worry about having a drop off as
58:23
far as a tight end position. But that's gonna be a challenge. So
58:28
you know, Brian Johnson and Nick Serianni, they have to be more creative
58:31
as far as from a side standpoint, maybe we'll see more uh more plays
58:36
from uh more plays, more touches from Julio Jones because he's about as big
58:42
as a tight end. I was actually gonna ask you about that. I'm
58:45
glad you went down that path here with regard to this particular topic, because
58:50
I wonder if there could be a transition not to necessarily make Julio Jones the
58:53
next tight end or Philadelphia Eagles, but in order for him to get involved
58:59
in the past game from that tight end perspective. Perhaps I'm wondering if that
59:04
is something we're going to see a little bit more of in the weeks to
59:06
come. Yeah, I think you might have something there, Jeff, because
59:09
when you look back at the touchdown that Jones had down in DC against the
59:16
Commanders, I mean it was pretty much a tight end play and also something
59:22
that you know, he's been known as a wide receiver, so you know,
59:24
to make those tough catches down the middle because he has so much size,
59:29
uh in physicality, So you know that may be something they may have
59:32
up their sleeve. And you know, of course, the more weapons you
59:36
have on the field, the more difficult it is for the defense, uh
59:39
to you know, uh kind of defend you and the Chiefs come in.
59:45
They'll be coming. They'll be coming in. Not want say coming in,
59:47
but you know, Eagles will be coming to Kansas City facing a great Chiefs
59:52
defense. And you look at the statistics as as you mentioned earlier, Kansas
59:57
City has been winning a lot of their games on a defense incise. So
1:00:00
that's another challenge for the Eagles. You know, how are you going to
1:00:04
scheme and you know, play four quarters with this offense and now that you
1:00:07
have one less weapon and Dallas Goddard, they certainly had to be smart,
1:00:12
strategic and of course creators. Absolutely, the Eagles are going to be going
1:00:16
up against or I should say this Eagles offense and Jalen Hurt's going to be
1:00:20
going up the number four defense in the league and the Kansas City Chiefs.
1:00:23
Folks, if you didn't listen to our Opposition Territory show this past week previewing
1:00:28
this show, talked about it with our guest and the fact that you know,
1:00:30
it's like they're a sneaky defensive type of team and really been keeping them
1:00:36
in games. Ojay and I wonder how this is going to relate them to
1:00:39
also not just this game, but the future the challenges that even Jalen Hurts
1:00:44
may actually have, because it's interesting to look at Jalen Hurts's rushing stats this
1:00:49
season compared to last season. And I say this because certain folks with an
1:00:52
Eagles nation, they don't believe that Jalen Hurts has been really utilizing his legs
1:00:57
as much this year. And don't get me wrong, I'd like I was
1:00:59
one of those people maybe about six weeks ago saying, you know, what
1:01:02
is happening in terms of him being able to extend plays and get the ball
1:01:07
down the field himself with his legs. But in fifteen games last season,
1:01:12
he rushed the ball one hundred and sixty five times for seven hundred and sixty
1:01:16
yards thirteen touchdowns this season after nine games, eighty eight attempts for three hundred
1:01:22
and sixteen yards and seven touchdowns. I mean, this is not a significant
1:01:27
drop here for Jalen Hurts that we're seeing, even though part of it feels
1:01:30
like it is maybe from time to time quarter to quarter. So Ojay,
1:01:35
what if any challenges do you see with Jalen Hurts in terms of his rushing
1:01:39
ability, using his legs and really how that correlates with the passing game as
1:01:44
well. Yeah, I think you just have to look at you know,
1:01:49
his his presumed mysterious Bruce knee. Now there you go, he hasn't been
1:01:54
just as as much. We don't know the extent of it. We don't
1:01:58
know the exactly when he did bruise his knee. Uh, you know,
1:02:02
he's not gonna give us anything. Of course, the Eagles aren't gonna give
1:02:05
us anything as much as we have tried to press them. Uh, in
1:02:08
the in the in the press conferences, he's leaving press conferences. You know,
1:02:15
you know, Carrianne's skirting around it. But you know that's what you
1:02:19
have to look at. But it's also been a positive too. And I
1:02:22
know a lot of his deterrence or his critics, you know, says,
1:02:28
oh yeah, you know, you're not a great quarterback until you went in
1:02:30
the pocket. But he's shown that not only this year but last year as
1:02:34
well. But it is positive because it just proved time and time again that
1:02:38
he can win from the procket and someone like probably like you and me,
1:02:44
always believed that he could. But you know, going forward, the best
1:02:50
jailer hurts is to dual threat jaaler hurts. So hopefully through this buy he
1:02:54
was able to get some rest. Maybe it healed some again, we don't
1:02:59
know. We'll probably never know, right I you know how he moves around
1:03:04
and his mobility on the field, but hopefully he's able to he was able
1:03:07
to get some rest, and as the season goes along, who'll be able
1:03:12
to be that dual threat because that also helps the offense as well. Absolutely,
1:03:16
folks talking to Oj Spivey from the Philadelphia Tribune at OJ Philly on the
1:03:22
Twitter dot com. And let's move over to the defensive side of things here,
1:03:25
Oj, because first time you appeared on our podcast back during training camp,
1:03:30
what a great discussion we had then but we talked about the linebacker position
1:03:36
and some concerns you know, that I had about the direction of that unit.
1:03:39
I think we both had some concerns as well with some of the personnel
1:03:44
that they lost from last year. Back then when we talked during training camp,
1:03:47
Miles Jack was on the team. I can't believe I actually just mentioned
1:03:51
that name right now, because it seems like forever ago that he was,
1:03:54
you know, trying to make this roster and trying to continue to be a
1:03:57
relevant linebacker in this league. We talked about what type of expectations we should
1:04:02
have for Nakobe Dean this season as well. And while we've seen some really
1:04:06
good stuff from Zach Cunningham, for sure, he's been pretty solid this season
1:04:12
for a guy on a one year deal, it seems like Nakobe Dean,
1:04:15
on the other hand, hasn't really been able to hit his stride yet simply
1:04:18
because of injuries. And I'm wondering, like, what challenges do you see
1:04:24
Nakobe Dean having on the field, and how will his injury history kind of
1:04:29
now impact his development. What are your thoughts and like how this all relates
1:04:32
to the linebacker position too. Yeah, it's it's it's a couple of things
1:04:38
to look at going forward. You know, you mentioned it. Dean has
1:04:43
had a couple of injuries both last year and now this year. And you
1:04:46
know, whenever you get a foot injury, those things are scary because those
1:04:48
things can linger. Foot injuries tend to take longer to heal than other joints
1:04:54
in the body. Not speaking as a doctor, but just from you know,
1:04:57
experience, from what we're seeing with a athletes from all sports, you
1:05:00
know, whether it be football, basketball, so so forth. So that's
1:05:04
a challenge for him. And you know, I know a lot of people
1:05:09
have been down on the Kobe Dean. He's still learning the position. So
1:05:15
you know a lot of times you don't give the key to the defense to
1:05:17
a rookie. Well, he was essentially a rookie this year, you know,
1:05:23
being out of the second year and with those injuries, but he's still
1:05:27
learned the position. I still think he was solid, you know, and
1:05:30
in certain parts certain games and everything, because you know, you go back
1:05:34
and look at the statu sheet, you go back and look at film.
1:05:38
I think you said a couple of games this year where he's had nine ten
1:05:41
tackles and all I mean, you know, you don't want your you know,
1:05:44
the back end of your defense or the middle of your defense making all
1:05:46
the tackles, right, you know, he has he has done that as
1:05:51
far as being solid as you know, if a play comes to him,
1:05:55
he will make the play and in the play as far as tackling is concerned.
1:06:00
But just the thing about Nikoloby Dean, he just doesn't have that factor
1:06:03
yet. I don't know if he ever was ever will, but you know,
1:06:08
he just doesn't give you the idea that he's going to be a playmaker
1:06:12
or a great playmaker. But we just see him hopefully for a full season
1:06:17
next year and it might be a put up or shut up a year for
1:06:21
him, even though he'll being his third year. But you know, injuries
1:06:27
can you know, always curtail someone's development. So I'll kind of give him
1:06:31
a mulligan on that because he has been hurt. But I think next year
1:06:35
is really the tell tale sign for Nikoby Dean going forward. And also Zach
1:06:42
Cunningham, Nicholas Morrow. I love those guys. They they're all over the
1:06:46
field. They seem like they can cover as well as tackle and make plays
1:06:51
here and there or to be forced fumbles, interceptions. But my issue is
1:06:59
that it's been so long that the Eagles really have a philosophy except for Nolan
1:07:06
Smith, and we want to see, you know, how he comes along
1:07:09
as well, because but I think he's more so like the edge rusher and
1:07:13
waiting and training. I should say, but you know, every year we're
1:07:18
always saying, Okay, who's going to be the inside linebackers? I know
1:07:23
they only play two linebackers, they basically are on the inside. But I
1:07:27
believe both Cunningham and World want to be free agents again, so we're going
1:07:30
to be revisiting this back in the spring. So I just wish that you
1:07:36
know, this is why I'm rooting so hard for Nikoby Dean because I just
1:07:41
would love to see some stability at that linebacker position. A great, great
1:07:45
word, stability for the linebacker position. And look, you know, our
1:07:48
good friend, our mutual friend, Matt Rodgers, and I have talked Matt
1:07:53
Rogers from the Honorable Mention Podcast have talked a number of times this season,
1:07:57
especially on our Eagles postgame shows, about you know, whether or not Matt
1:08:00
says whether or not we should should use the B word for Nakobe Dean,
1:08:04
and I'm like, oh know about that yet. You know, let's not
1:08:06
with the car before the horse here. But look as we look at this
1:08:11
defense, remember too, Jeff. Sorry, but you know he's a third
1:08:15
round pick, So there you go. I mean it's really easy to say,
1:08:18
you know, we're we'll quick to say, you know, someone's a
1:08:20
bus would there first a second rounder, but he's a third round pick and
1:08:27
you know what you get from him, you know, remains to be seen.
1:08:30
But you know, I'm not I'm not that quick to call him a
1:08:32
bus just yet. So what they how they bring, how they brought him
1:08:36
along so far, and what they're asking to do. I'm just gonna hold
1:08:40
off maybe just one more year before I see that exactly, Matt. If
1:08:43
you're listening to this, buddy, let's hold off on the B word.
1:08:45
Okay, but let's say let's talk about you know, this Eagle secondary here,
1:08:50
Oj because I mean, they've gone through some bubs and bruises as we
1:08:55
know so far this season for sure, and Howie Roseman you know, moves
1:09:00
help bolster this secondary before the trade deadline. But they man, they're still
1:09:04
struggling every now and then and again, you know, our friend of the
1:09:08
pod here, Matt Rodgers and I we've talked about James Bradberry a number of
1:09:12
times this season and how it just looks like James Bradberry is slower perhaps this
1:09:18
year. I can't necessarily put my finger on how or why. And first
1:09:24
I guess, one are you seeing this? And two, like, what
1:09:28
challenges are going to persist with this secondary in the coming weeks in your opinion,
1:09:31
because you know they're going to be facing some pretty good quarterbacks here.
1:09:34
What are your thoughts here? Oj? Right, again, it's a number
1:09:40
of things. It's hard to answer the Eagles challenges being at eight and one
1:09:45
exactly. I do feel stupid at times, like I'm writing Eagles challenges,
1:09:48
you know, and I'm like, really eight and one, Jeff, come
1:09:51
on, and you know, yes, but they are present. So yes.
1:09:56
But as far as Bradbury's concerned, I don't think he's particularly had a
1:09:59
good year. I do agree with that. I don't think he's necessarily slower,
1:10:03
but I think it's a number of things. Uh, they have asked
1:10:06
a lot of him this year, and you know, there was a lot
1:10:10
of talk of him, uh playing the slot, which he ended up playing.
1:10:13
Us playing the slot this year once Maddox was out for the season,
1:10:17
which looked like a disaster, and I thought that was a bad idea anyway
1:10:21
from you know, when we heard the rummings of him getting snaps at the
1:10:26
slot position, and again it just goes back to depth. I think Howie
1:10:31
Roseman has done a decent job as plugging guys in there as far as slot
1:10:36
secondary, but they have asked a lot of Bradberry. I think they've asked
1:10:41
a lot of the secondary period. So I think he's taken chances, more
1:10:46
chances than ever before. I think he's trying to make up for the lack
1:10:51
of depth as well. It's that seems to be fluid on film, so
1:10:59
you know, sometimes you want to make up and you just want to try
1:11:01
to make plays. You end up getting beat or maybe your technique is off.
1:11:06
And and I know he realizes that, you know, and he's been
1:11:11
forthcoming uh in the press conferences and after games and everything, how he's played,
1:11:15
how he has to improve. And you also have some moving parts at
1:11:18
the safety position because of injury, because if you know, if you don't
1:11:23
have any stability back there, you know, reblanking ship Uh was out a
1:11:28
couple of games, a game or two. I believe you know it was
1:11:31
never stable at the beginning of the season, because I think they're now just
1:11:34
getting Justin Evans back the tree to acquire Kevin Bayer. I mean that tells
1:11:40
you all. You all you need to know how much they help they needed
1:11:44
add safety and again when you just plug and play each year, I want
1:11:50
to say that, I say, who was the guy that they lost?
1:11:56
Johnson? Your garden got Johnson everything. I know everybody was down on him
1:12:00
for the type of contract that he wanted, but there were some stability there.
1:12:05
So when you lose that and then you have someone new getting in that
1:12:11
position. You know, they tried Evans, he got hurt, they put
1:12:15
Emmons in there. He's no longer there, he's in Tennessee. He got
1:12:17
be badly and everything. So there's just a number of things with brad Berry,
1:12:23
and again he's taken responsibility of that, and hopefully as they get healthier
1:12:28
with the safety position and with slot corners, that they'll be able to be
1:12:33
a little more stable. And you probably could say the same thing about Slay
1:12:36
as well. I know he's me probably a few more pleas than Bradbury,
1:12:41
but I think both of those guys, it's a whole lot of pressure on
1:12:44
them to kind of hold it down and let's not let the pass rush off.
1:12:48
The hope too. They have come around. Cion Reddick has been great,
1:12:54
you know since he since he got the cast off. You know who
1:12:58
else isn't at their great just when they were wearing the cast right, so,
1:13:00
you know, but he's been shot out of the canon ever since he
1:13:06
got out of that cast on his hand and everything. But the past us
1:13:10
has been a little better. And again you've had some injuries there, you
1:13:14
know, Card has been nicked up, Davis has been nicked up as well.
1:13:18
So we'll see what happens. Yep, we'll see what happens. It's
1:13:21
amazing to say, you know, I feel like he's still early in his
1:13:26
career and that is one of Vonte Maddox and how he really seems to be
1:13:30
the glue that helps to keep the defensive backs all together in a way and
1:13:35
for productivity game by game. Not having Avonte Maddox being that glue there is
1:13:42
really showing us what type of impact he really does have on the field at
1:13:45
times, even though we may not be calling his name all the time.
1:13:47
When he is healthy and when he is playing week after week, he really
1:13:51
is the glue that really keeps this defensive backfield together. At least I think,
1:13:57
yeah, it's a shame that he can't stay healthy because you said it
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best, Jeff. You know, they're the defense is that much better and
1:14:04
you know, uh, you talk to the people who you know, study
1:14:09
these things. He was often ranked as the number one slot corner in the
1:14:13
NFL. So anytime you want to be a big drop off, I don't
1:14:16
care who. I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, no, it's good.
1:14:23
I mean, you know, as they get healthy, you know,
1:14:26
and and I've talked to guys like Eli Rix personally, who's an under at
1:14:30
the free agent. He's actually played well, you know when you look back
1:14:33
at at the games and you look back at the film and and everything.
1:14:39
But you know, hopefully health will will come to play and they'll be able
1:14:44
to, you know, overcome all of the flip sort of radar that we
1:14:48
see from eight It what exactly I was just gonna say, Remember, folks
1:14:51
still eight in one on the season atop the NFC. So that being said,
1:14:58
again, folks are talking about Jay Spivey at OJ Philly on Twitter and
1:15:01
make sure you head on over to the Philadelphia Tribune and check out everything he's
1:15:05
writing. Great, great writer. And as we're closing things out here,
1:15:10
OJ, you know, there's so much good when we look at this team
1:15:14
overall again, yes, eight and one, and you know, as we've
1:15:16
been discussing here, they're not perfect either. But what is the biggest under
1:15:21
the radar challenge for this Eagles team as they're looking to show the world that
1:15:27
they really can be in our true contenders and to potentially get back to that
1:15:30
Super Bowl? What's that? What's the biggest under the radar challenge for them
1:15:34
as we're as we're moving into a week eleven here. Yeah, I just
1:15:39
think it comes down to sorry, no, I think it comes down to
1:15:45
as we as fans, we as media, we're just waiting for them to
1:15:47
play that perfect game, to put four quarters together, you know, week
1:15:53
by week. You know, maybe it's the offense sputtering towards the ends of
1:15:56
games, or it's the defense they're letting guys like see him Howe, you
1:16:01
know, look like joke Thiseman, or look like Sonny Jurgensen or somebody like
1:16:05
that, uh, you know, throwing four three four hundred yards and you
1:16:10
know, just giving everybody a heart attack with these one score in the game
1:16:15
victories. They just have to put it all together. But also that may
1:16:18
be a good thing as well, because you do not want to see your
1:16:24
football team peak too early. And you know, and I think we're getting
1:16:29
spoiled, you know around here, you know, as fans and spoils of
1:16:34
the fans and people who cover the Eagles because you know, they're eight and
1:16:40
one in consecutive years. I mean, most teams in uh, in the
1:16:45
NFL don't do that that that's not like a sustainable way because the NFL has
1:16:49
so much parody and it's it's so much year to year. But you know,
1:16:55
you have to take put that in perspective. But you know it'll also
1:16:59
be good for them too because when it comes time, let's just say they
1:17:02
go ahead and secured the number one seed in the NFC getting through this stretch
1:17:06
of Dallas, Kansas City, now Buffalo. You know, they don't look
1:17:12
as good right now. Once they get through this rough stretch and everything,
1:17:15
if they can get out of it with maybe one loss, or if they
1:17:19
can get out of it with zero losses and everything, we'll look at that
1:17:24
and we'll say, Okay, they've been battle tested, and you'll feel much
1:17:29
more confident about them going into the playoffs because they would have beaten the best
1:17:33
already. Absolutely, and again, folks, you know I said week ten,
1:17:39
it is week eleven coming up here. For God's sake, my brain
1:17:42
is putting at this point exactly, always does, always does again, folks.
1:17:47
OJ Spivey from the Philadelphia Tribune, OJ, thank you so much,
1:17:51
buddy, love talking to you. I would love to have you on down
1:17:56
the road. Let's talk more Eagles. Some NFL would love to have you
1:17:59
back, my friend. Thank you, Jeff, as always, and I'll
1:18:02
be happy to do it anytime. Yeah, things are definitely not perfect for
1:18:06
the Philadelphia Eagles, but it's amazing the team is eight and one, and
1:18:10
Oj is absolutely correct. I mean, I think it's something we just need
1:18:13
to keep in mind. Let's keep enjoying this, really, let's keep enjoying
1:18:15
this. Sometimes I think as Philly sports fans, we just are waiting for
1:18:19
that shoot a drop and we're waiting for something terrible to happen where we can
1:18:25
say, oh, we know what was gonna happen. H this team wasn't
1:18:28
who we thought we were. Blah blah blah. Let's continue to enjoy this.
1:18:30
Yes, it's gonna be a challenging stretch coming up with these next few
1:18:35
games, and especially with regard to the Dallas Cowboys a divisional game. We
1:18:40
know what happened earlier this season when the Eagles beat the Dallas Cowboys at the
1:18:45
Link. They're gonna be heading down to Texas to face them in the coming
1:18:48
weeks. It's gonna be a tough matchup, folks. It's gonna be tough.
1:18:51
It just is the way that this NFC East continues to battle it out
1:18:56
week after week, team by team. But again, eight and one,
1:19:00
this Philadelphia Eagles team is showing us some real special stuff right now, even
1:19:04
though the challenges are there, so let's keep enjoying it. So all right,
1:19:10
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