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Christopher vs Ickstopher? · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in.
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  Speaker 2: You.
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  Speaker 3: I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 1: R Heart Media, I Heart Podcast, one eleven Productions, one
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  Speaker 1: eleven Podcasts, one eleven Media. There's so many companies to name. Hi, Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. You're joined by the trepid crew
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  Speaker 1: of Daniel Romo, Terras, Dude, Amy Sugarman, Suzanne French.
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  Speaker 3: And this is an episode of Point Counterpoint, with the
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  Speaker 3: topic being Christopher akak Stiffer and I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 4: I like Christopher, say.
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  Speaker 3: You guys, So Michelle, you tell how we connect. But
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  Speaker 3: I will say I didn't know until this very moment
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  Speaker 3: where she stood on the Christopher versus Xtiffer. So nobody
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  Speaker 3: write us and say I selected.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 4: My brother in law grew up in southern LA and
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  Speaker 4: he's one of those people that just kind of knows everybody.
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  Speaker 4: And I asked him one day because I really wanted
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  Speaker 4: to get on the podcast. I said, do you happen
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  Speaker 4: to know somebody named Amy Sugarman? And he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: she was my sister's roommate in college. His sister is
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  Speaker 4: JJ Martin and then he said his friend was actually
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  Speaker 4: going to your house for around Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 3: So you guys, like, this is completely unbeknownst to me
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  Speaker 3: that Michelle just randomly lobbed out how did I get
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  Speaker 3: on this podcast?
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  Speaker 5: And then her rando brother in law was like, well.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I actually know her.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, JJ Martin a shout out.
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  Speaker 3: So, JJ Martin is a sorority sister of mine who
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  Speaker 3: has gone on to literally have this fancy, fancy, amazing
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  Speaker 3: designer clothing line and it's called Law Double J.
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  Speaker 5: So shout out to our connection. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's amazing. She lives in Italy and she's in
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  Speaker 4: Vogue all the time. I had no idea she was
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  Speaker 4: like such a celebrity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like a legit full baller. But that's not
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  Speaker 3: why we're here. Yeah, we're here to debate. Suzanne get
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  Speaker 3: ready got spired up Christopher versus xtaper.
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  Speaker 5: Michelle, you have the floor.
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  Speaker 4: I happened to really like Christopher. I feel like he
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  Speaker 4: is that high school sweetheart of Rory's. I love that
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  Speaker 4: they had the young love and that connection. I feel
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  Speaker 4: he's a better match for her in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the seasons for rather than Luke. Although I do feel.
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  Speaker 1: That for me?
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  Speaker 4: For me, but I feel towards season six and season
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  Speaker 4: seventh at the end, after you know, she leaves Christopher,
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  Speaker 4: that Luke is the better match. But the only thing
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  Speaker 4: I don't really like about him is the way he
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  Speaker 4: was a father to to Rory, being absent in her life.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like he really stepped it up. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm a fan. Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Would you like to rebut first or would you like
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  Speaker 3: me to just ask my questions? Oh, Scott froze, which
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  Speaker 3: I think, Oh my god, Scott.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, first, Okay, my question is how does an absent
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  Speaker 1: father for the entire life of a child have any
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  Speaker 1: redeeming qualities?
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  Speaker 4: So was he actual absent? I mean, I think he
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  Speaker 4: bothered from a distance, but he wasn't completely out of
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  Speaker 4: our life. He still had a relationship with her. It
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  Speaker 4: just wasn't that, you know. He was more of the
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  Speaker 4: Disneyland dad, which I can relate to as well. Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 4: and I think he stepped it up once he got money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was sort of dipping his toe in. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So here's our first question for you, and Suzanne's gathering
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  Speaker 3: her fixed to her thoughts to him. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: they have chemistry, because this was a big debate for
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  Speaker 3: us in the episode we just did. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: Lorelai and Christopher have chemistry?
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  Speaker 4: I think they almost had like a brother sister chemistry
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  Speaker 4: going on like in season one in season two with
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  Speaker 4: the bickering and the little kid jokes and all of that,
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  Speaker 4: but I think it developed into a real world man.
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  Speaker 4: But in the end, she always wanted Luke deep down,
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  Speaker 4: which I don't necessarily agree with fully, but.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they have.
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  Speaker 3: Like you kind of alluded to this, they do have
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  Speaker 3: chemistry in that high school college ye way right, the
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  Speaker 3: way you kind of do with like your first boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: or your prom date. Like, they do have that, and
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  Speaker 3: it is I think Suzanne sort of alluded to this
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  Speaker 3: earlier this week when she said they revert back, and
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  Speaker 3: I do think that that is accurate, Like they really
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  Speaker 3: kind of go back to their younger days.
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  Speaker 5: And I think, Okay, I'm gonna throw this out there.
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  Speaker 3: When something major happens in your life, typically trauma, which
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  Speaker 3: you could just say a teen pregnancy is a bit traumatic,
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  Speaker 3: you can be frozen in that age. So they do
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  Speaker 3: go back to that sixteen year old age.
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  Speaker 6: I think they'll always have that no matter what, like
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  Speaker 6: whether we like Christopher or we don't, you can't deny
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  Speaker 6: that they are bonded and had have a relationship.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll never go away. I agree with you. I
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  Speaker 5: think he's cute.
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  Speaker 3: Michelle, what do you think of David slash Christopher?
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  Speaker 4: Just like physically, I think he's okay. I think Luke
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  Speaker 4: was much more handsome in the in the show, not
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  Speaker 4: just saying that because he's on here, but Christopher's not
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  Speaker 4: my type. I'll say that.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, Susanne, you don't, You're not You don't think, Susanne
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  Speaker 3: wiyh in.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to put words in your mouth. You
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  Speaker 5: give it. What is your thought on Christopher.
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  Speaker 2: The actor or the character?
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  Speaker 3: The character, but the physicality of David Sutcliffe, Well, I
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  Speaker 3: think in a shocking turn here, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think Christopher always has kind of a weird grin
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  Speaker 2: on his face, and and he always, like when he's
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  Speaker 2: looking at Lorla, he gets this like really intense, like
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  Speaker 2: weird stare. And I don't so, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's an acting thing or if that's just how he
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  Speaker 2: really is.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I agree that they have like a friendship kind
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  Speaker 2: of chemistry. I don't feel like a lot of romantic
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  Speaker 2: kind of chemistry. I don't feel like Christopher is her
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  Speaker 2: soulmate at all. I think he's just the boyfriend that
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  Speaker 2: happened to get her pregnant in high school. And I
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  Speaker 2: do agree with what you were saying, Tara, that they
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  Speaker 2: because they that unexpected pregnancy did happen, Like that's always
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  Speaker 2: going to connect them. They're always going to have a
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  Speaker 2: bond for better or worse, They're always going to be
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  Speaker 2: tied together in that way. But I think that they
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  Speaker 2: really go back to, you know, and like I said
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  Speaker 2: in the in the recap episode, they really are trying
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  Speaker 2: to recapture whatever it was that they had as teenagers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that they have really that much in
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  Speaker 2: common as adults in their current place in life. And
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  Speaker 2: they they you know, their banter, it goes back to
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  Speaker 2: kind of a junior high kind of feel and the
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  Speaker 2: clove cigarettes and.
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  Speaker 3: Just ribbing each other kind of the way you do
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  Speaker 3: with your high school like boyfriend, the kind of like
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  Speaker 3: ribbing each other. Wait, so Scott, I have a question
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  Speaker 3: for you, but you need to take a deep breath
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  Speaker 3: before I ask it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I've been exhaling.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is there so try try to remove yourself and
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  Speaker 3: being luke from this.
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  Speaker 5: Is there anything redeeming?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm reacting as a fan as well. Okay, being objected?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, fair?
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  Speaker 3: Is there anything redeeming you can find in Christopher and
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  Speaker 3: possibly Christopher and lorealize relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean listen, if somebody is that big of a
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  Speaker 1: loser and they get their act together and they you know,
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  Speaker 1: they have a moral crisis, and they realize that the
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  Speaker 1: right thing to do is to come back into their
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  Speaker 1: daughter's life, I think that is redeeming. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that it's one hundred percent redeeming, but that's a good
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  Speaker 1: quality to have. Okay. And now the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: has money, I think if you really love somebody, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's that part of love loving somebody that means you
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  Speaker 1: let them go so that they can be happy. Like
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  Speaker 1: you had your shot. He had his shot, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: it was like he had thirty five years of his shot. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: not so twenty years of it. Yeah, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: here she is in a relationship and she's happy with
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  Speaker 1: this guy.
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  Speaker 3: So since we kicked Danielle out, Suzanne Tara and Michelle
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  Speaker 3: because Scott won't totally know. Don't you think finally in
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  Speaker 3: the movies, we really see that that ship has sailed
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  Speaker 3: with Christopher.
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  Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I think we see it in season seven,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when she finally does, you know, break it
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  Speaker 2: off and just seal that, you know, put it behind
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  Speaker 2: the cement wall and steel it off. Like I think
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  Speaker 2: they both realized, Okay, this wasn't meant to happen. It
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  Speaker 2: was just too forced. It wasn't smooth enough, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: easy enough, it didn't flow. And I think that I
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  Speaker 2: think we saw that even in season seven.
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  Speaker 4: Christopher looks so sad in the movies though, I mean
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  Speaker 4: he is not committing in relationships. He looked like he
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  Speaker 4: had just not been happy over the last ten years.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe he still wanted Laura Lai when he has
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  Speaker 4: that conversation with Rory in his office and when she
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  Speaker 4: starts questioning him why he wasn't around as much as
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  Speaker 4: he could have been, and he just seems sad. But
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  Speaker 4: Laura Lai seems really happy with Luke and she's where
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  Speaker 4: she's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: I think when you have a child, it just changes
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  Speaker 1: the whole atmosphere. I mean, that's that's.
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  Speaker 5: Your kid, and I'm talking about Rory or.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm talking about Rory. I'm talking about Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like it's better that somebody sees the light
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  Speaker 1: and steps up, as Michelle is talking about and makes
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  Speaker 1: an effort. But on the dad's side to his daughter
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  Speaker 1: to really get involved and almost a reckless way in
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  Speaker 1: her romantic life and to want to really have everything
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  Speaker 1: back one hundred percent, I think I think it's just selfish.
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  Speaker 1: I think a better person would realize that, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: can be a great dad to my daughter Rory, be
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  Speaker 1: in her life and be a friend with Laurlai and
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  Speaker 1: be there when she needs me, and then I can
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  Speaker 1: tend to my own daughter, Gigi. I mean, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what is this guy doing. He's like all over the place,
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  Speaker 1: He's a mess.
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  Speaker 3: Is your thought like that he's finally rebuilding the relationship
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  Speaker 3: with Rory right, and this like intent, you know, feelings
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  Speaker 3: he has towards Loralai and continuing to try that is
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  Speaker 3: actually harming what he's repaired with Rory. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to put words in your mouth, but is that right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like at a certain when you've had
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  Speaker 1: a twenty year shot and you've blown it, let's just
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  Speaker 1: repair one thing so that Rory can have her dad
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of her life or the rest of
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  Speaker 1: Christopher's life, natural life. And I think that's noble, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he I think the character lacks nobility, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that's really his tragic flaw. I think Luke possesses
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  Speaker 1: all of the nobility that one can possess in his
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  Speaker 1: kind of blue collarish way. So that's really all I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to say. I think I think it's great. I
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  Speaker 1: think he always steps too far right. He doesn't prioritize
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  Speaker 1: the relationship with his daughter, and he never did, and
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  Speaker 1: now he's not doing it again.
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  Speaker 3: He's Yeah, to me, he's just like a teenager. He's
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  Speaker 3: just like a young soul that's just here trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure it out and has made a lot of mistakes
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  Speaker 3: along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Right, this guy's never doing the right things in his
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  Speaker 1: teenage years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's just convinced that Lorelai is his true love, right,
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  Speaker 3: and he cannot let it go.
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  Speaker 4: But don't you see so much growth with him and
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  Speaker 4: his parenting skills with Gigi? I mean he's a completely
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  Speaker 4: different father to Gigi than he was.
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  Speaker 5: True, well, yeah, the only parent she has right now.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah no.
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  Speaker 6: But but I also don't I don't really agree because
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  Speaker 6: he didn't know how to control Gigi like she was
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  Speaker 6: a terror when she was giving her everything she wants. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so I don't even I don't think he tried. I
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  Speaker 6: mean maybe now where we're watching right now, we haven't
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  Speaker 6: seen Gigi, but maybe it's better. But I don't think
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  Speaker 6: that he was still parenting her the way a dad
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  Speaker 6: should have.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was probably so overwhelmed with it. Wasn't
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  Speaker 1: he having a very contentious relationship with the baby mama?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah she bailed him, Yeah, she bails and now she's
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  Speaker 3: off in parents.
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  Speaker 1: And he and he's got a million, you know, entrepreneurial goals,
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  Speaker 1: and the potential revenue streams that he's trying to set
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  Speaker 1: up in half of them are fail doing. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: he's all over the place, and he's not spending the
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  Speaker 1: time reading the books or talking to the psychologists, talking
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  Speaker 1: to pediatricians about parenting skills.
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  Speaker 5: But now we think he's got always.
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  Speaker 1: Seems to be the last priority for him, because he's
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  Speaker 1: such a mess, right.
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  Speaker 2: I do see your point, Michelle. I think he did
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  Speaker 2: develop a sense of responsibility more than he's ever had.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he also developed sort of an appreciation
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  Speaker 2: for what Loralai had been going through all those years
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  Speaker 2: that he was flitting around California and kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: understood what she went through at a much younger age
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  Speaker 2: than when he was going through it. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, he is, like you were just saying, Scott,
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  Speaker 2: the parenting is still a lower priority, like the he's
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  Speaker 2: always taking mom's house or like we don't see her
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  Speaker 2: that often because she's with his mom, and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's a whole other thing about how his parents or
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  Speaker 2: his mom likes Gigi but never liked Rory.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's a whole different look. With Christopher. There's remorse,
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  Speaker 1: there's consciousness of guilt, and there's an attempt to step up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the problem is is he's just so bad at it
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  Speaker 1: and he's always screwing it up, and something in his
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  Speaker 1: life is always sabotaging even his own efforts. And then
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  Speaker 1: he comes off on the other hand, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: Dirk Diggler, and here he comes in for the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the big romantic stuff and take me seriously. And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: how supposed to take this guy seriously as a character
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  Speaker 1: when he can't even get the little stuff right with
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  Speaker 1: his own daughter, their daughter, and now we're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: sort of respect him as a man who's good enough
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  Speaker 1: for Laura. It's a it's a hard leak to.
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  Speaker 3: Make, but I have to give Christopher some whatever the
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  Speaker 3: term is.
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  Speaker 5: Great. Of course, his dad was horrible.
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  Speaker 3: He has one of the meanest dads.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was, but you guys see him. Hang on
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  Speaker 1: a second, how old is christ How old is Christopher
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 5: He's a thirty five?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you can't. You can't whine about your daddy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah you can, because his.
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  Speaker 1: Dad is well after twenty five, you can.
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  Speaker 5: That's not a rule.
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  Speaker 4: Is a rule.
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  Speaker 3: There's plenty of people in therapy, therapy at fifty talking
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  Speaker 3: about their parents.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, but they don't sit around and let it sabotage
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  Speaker 1: their lives and they don't.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what I'm asking you, guys, is, don't I mean.
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  Speaker 3: We saw that episode where Christopher's dad was so.
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  Speaker 5: Horrible terrible?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so don't I mean, like, I don't blame you
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  Speaker 3: feel like.
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  Speaker 5: He's turned out better than he could have sunlight. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, Michelle, what are your final thoughts on it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you guys have kind of swayed my opinions a
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  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't like, I don't like.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like fathers that abandon their kids. There's no
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  Speaker 1: excuse for it. I do not. I detest people like that,
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  Speaker 1: moms that abandon their kids, dads abandon their kids. It
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  Speaker 1: really should.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely dislike Sherry because it's the saale Gigi completely.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that Christopher has to run around screwing up
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  Speaker 1: everybody's lives at the right. Yeah, doesn't. That's no excuse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, my husband was a teenage parent, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and so he was seventeen with a baby and involved
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  Speaker 4: in her life in.
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  Speaker 1: Every possible way, fantastical.
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  Speaker 4: So being young is not an excuse.
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  Speaker 1: It is not an excuse. It's still yeah, it's an
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  Speaker 1: absolutely yes, it is a choice. You wake up in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and you make a choice.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that he wanted to make that choice,
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  Speaker 3: and Laurel I rejected that choice for him. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying he shouldn't have wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, she did.
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  Speaker 1: She definitely did there's courts. No, he could have he
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  Speaker 1: could have been present in Rory's life through the courts.
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  Speaker 1: He could have fought for his own daughter to be
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  Speaker 1: in her life, and he chose not to. He chose
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  Speaker 1: to go away because he's a weak person, well, who
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  Speaker 1: is always looking for an excuse and a way out.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's several instances of various evidence throughout the show
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  Speaker 2: that that was a choice that he made to stay away.
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  Speaker 2: Not Laura, I if you in the episode, well, the
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  Speaker 2: episode where he comes back to town first of all,
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  Speaker 2: and then the episode where uh oh, when Rory has
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  Speaker 2: the debutante ball and she's trying to get Christopher to
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  Speaker 2: come back. It's they the dialogue, they make it very
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: clear that it was Christopher's choice to stay away, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: they she tells Rory, Oh, he's one hundred percent for
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: sure going to be there, and then Rory's like, oh,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: so there's a fifty to fifty chance, Like it's clear
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that it's he's like the deadbeat.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't, I don't sure. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Part of me though, knows that in some way, I
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: do think he was sort of honoring and everybody can
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: yell at me, what Laura Lai wanted Laura la He
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: wanted to marry her. He was going to move in
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: with the Gilmours and work for the you know, either
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Richard or his dad, and he wanted to be he
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: was going to marry Lorlai and she said, no.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: La, it's not Laureli's decision to make on how often
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: he can see his own daughter. He didn't do anything
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: so horrible, right, What what did he do that was
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: so horrible? He wasn't abusive to either one of them.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: We would have gotten that door in the backstory thus far.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He was just a flake and he didn't he didn't
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: fight for his own daughter, He didn't fight for his
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: own family.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Characters a little bit more benefit of the doubt than
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: maybe others. And that's okay, I'm giving him a little
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: bit of So you're.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Saying as as a teenager and as a guy in
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: his twenties, and how many times he tried to come
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: back to Rory's life. Every single time Rory convinced him
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that you're please stay away. The best, the best thing
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you can do is stay away because you're so weak,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, you're right, I am, so I'm
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: not saying that find myself. Well, that's basically what you're saying.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: He never stepped up and fought for his own daughter.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: I agree with that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: You you these kinds of people deserve zero respect in
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: my book.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Well, I also think it comes back.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Even if they're on television, it comes back, and they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: have great haircuts, and they wear nice clothes and they
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: smile real nice.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: It kind of comes back, lying, Yeah, it kind of
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: comes back to right now, how like Christopher will do
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: anything Laurel I says, like we literally talked about this
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: in the episode we just recapped, and yeah, puppy dog
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: and so like it actually checks out because he's consistent,
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: Like he's consistently done whatever she is.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: That's a good point talk, you know, like stay away
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: from what she suggests, stay.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Away from me and Rory. Okay, I will come around
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: for her birthday. Okay, I will if you want to
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: pay for school, okay. You know, like he's just he's
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: just a yes man for whatever Laura I wants. Because
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: I think in the end, he wants Laura I, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: so he'll do whatever she wants.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: For him, Laurel I has always been more of a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: priority than Rory.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I agree with that. I don't know if
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: we solved the mystery of christ.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: It's not a mystery, it's it's it's the least complicated
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: thing in the world. He's just a deadbeat, That's all
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: there is to it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: I respectfully disagree.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I don't find him to be what I would classify
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: as that, but I understand your passion for disliking him.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Oy, I stand by your kids. Man, I don't care
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: who you are. I don't care.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: So Michelle are you?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Are you glad you joined us as.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: A little starstruck at first? When I sat, Scott thought
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: that I calmed down, But it wasn't.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Tara, Suzanne and me rude.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: You guys are amazing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, so wait, obviously, if we were gonna ask you, Christopher, Digger, Maxi,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Madie Rune, who else?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Who is your favorite? Who's your number two?
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I think she had a lot of chemistry with Digger
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: with dinner. Yeah okay, yeah, she really did. But I
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: think you know, he was just in her life for
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: a season. Ultimately she should be with Luke.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: He had a ch living room, he really did, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: beautiful breakfast spreads. But remember the brief relationship with the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: coffee guy. I could have had him stick around, you know, Twilight.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's on Fire Country or Fire County or
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: whatever that show is now.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Bello, Bella's dad. Yeah, with runs with him. Yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: I can't think of his name.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fantastic, fantastic.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Hold on, I'm looking it up.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Charlie.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Billy Burke, Billy Burke.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeh, Billy Burks a great, great musician.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Great, great, Well, Michelle, you get the final thoughts to
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: end this episode.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: What is your favorite thing about Gilmore Girls.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: It just gives me this really nostalgic feeling, small town charm.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I watch it every single day. It just is soothing
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: to me. It makes me. My husband laughs because I
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: laugh every time like it's a new new to me.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: But my favorite thing about it is probably just all
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the quick, quirky one liners. I just love all of them.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm amazing. Isn't it amazing about this show, Michelle?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: About all these great one liners. It's it's it's the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: funny show. It's just so funny. It is so many.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, every time I rewatch it, I see something I
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: haven't seen.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Before, right right, right, exactly. It's brilliant. It's just brilliant
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that way. It really is.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Well, even though we fought you, we're glad you're here.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Thank you, so excited to be on.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks Michelle for coming on and appreciate sharing our thoughts.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for stalking you, Amy, Please I enjoy it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Look, apologies for being such wallflowers. We are very, very
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: very hesitant to share our opinions. As you can what
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: was on display? Come back anytime and you'll probably change
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: your phone number after this and wait.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Maybe from Michelle you could deliver the uh you know
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: that I am all in mine?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: What is that in line?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: What was out the episode with our line I am
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: all in? I bet you'd like to hear you say it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: What do you mean the outro?
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, say I am all in?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You want me to say that to Michelle right now?
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I think she would like to hear it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: And remember Michelle always I am all in? Or should
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I say it like Luke said?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Give it to us like Luke? Sure?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: What am I trained? Seal here? Give me another fish
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and I'll do anything. Michelle, thanks for coming on, much appreciated.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: We'll just see everybody next time. Thank you and trepid Crewe, Susan.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Everybody's left us, but but.
• 27:36
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• 27:41
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