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NO SUSPECT in Murder of Pregnant Amish Woman, 23 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: A gorgeous young Amish mom, just twenty three years old
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Speaker 2: and pregnant is murdered in her own home.
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Speaker 3: In Amish Country. What in her own home? Now?
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Speaker 2: According to many people that are familiar with the Amish lifestyle,
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Speaker 2: they are deeply religious. They issue modern entrapments. They don't
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Speaker 2: drive cars, much less flashy cars. Many of them don't
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Speaker 2: even use zippers to zip their clothing. They use buttons.
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Speaker 2: They dress very plainly and try their best to emulate
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Speaker 2: their Lord Christ by being humble and loving the Lord.
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Speaker 3: So how in a.
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Speaker 2: Community where there are not even zippers, much less guns,
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Speaker 2: where everyone has a vow of pacifism, does this young
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Speaker 2: pregnant mom end up dead?
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Speaker 1: Right now?
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Speaker 2: Only one clue to who did this deed? I Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to Lieutenant Martin Windorf PSP.
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Speaker 4: Cory got a call through nine to one one of
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Speaker 4: a deceased female that was found at the scene. Here
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Speaker 4: we respond. At this point we have confirmed the identity
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Speaker 4: of the female that she has deceased and it looks
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Speaker 4: like suspicious circumstances.
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Speaker 2: Right now, the police in Homage Country are holding everything
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Speaker 2: very tightly and close to the vest.
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Speaker 3: We have managed to get.
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Speaker 2: The name of the victim, twenty three year old Rebecca Biler,
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Speaker 2: twenty three years old at her unborn baby, both dead.
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Speaker 2: We understand in the family home. We also understand two
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Speaker 2: little children were in the home at the time of
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Speaker 2: the murders. The murders, all of this is unfolding now.
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Speaker 2: We are trying to confirm everything.
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Speaker 3: That we are learning.
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Speaker 2: But right now the hunt is on and the investigation
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Speaker 2: is on for Rebeccah's killer. Tip line eight one four
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Speaker 2: six sixty three two zero four to three repeat eight
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Speaker 2: one four six six three two zero four three Again.
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Speaker 2: This has occurred in Amish Country, Pennsylvania. With me and
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Speaker 2: all Star panel to makes sense of what we know
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Speaker 2: right now. But to Trooper Cindy Shick, PIO, Pennsylvania State Police, listen,
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Speaker 2: the death.
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Speaker 5: Is currently being investigated as a criminal homicide. We are
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Speaker 5: aggressively investigating all available leads. We want to solve this
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Speaker 5: just like the community wants us to solve it. So
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Speaker 5: any information that's out there, we want people to come forward.
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Speaker 5: And help us resolve this issue.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star Panel to makes sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But I do know this,
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Speaker 2: typically when LA law enforcement is begging the public for help,
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Speaker 2: that means they really do need help in solving the
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Speaker 2: murder of Rebecca Biler, just twenty three years old and
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Speaker 2: our unborn child. Again, All Star Panel, Joining me first,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Jennifer Barrosso, investigative reporter KDKATV. Jennifer,
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Speaker 2: first of all, tell me where this happened. I lived
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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania for a good bit of time and travel
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Speaker 2: to Amish country. When you go to Amish Country, the
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Speaker 2: plattes on which the homes are situated can be three
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Speaker 2: four seven acres. They're big, there's very low population. Tell
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Speaker 2: me about the area, Jennifer Barrosso.
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Speaker 6: So, Nancy, as you mentioned at the top of this
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Speaker 6: report that this Crawford County is a very very rural county.
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Speaker 6: It is about twenty five miles southeast of Erie, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 6: There is a fair amount of Amish in the area
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Speaker 6: where this murder happened. The house was on a dirt road,
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Speaker 6: so it would not be unusual if you drove through
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Speaker 6: that area that you may not see your next door neighbor.
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Speaker 6: It's spread apart, and that is a challenge for law enforcement.
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Speaker 6: Right now, you know sources telling me that this happened
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Speaker 6: on a dirt road, so you're not going to have
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Speaker 6: a lot of people driving there. Thus, not a lot
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Speaker 6: of people, not a lot of witnesses.
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Speaker 2: Basically, Jennifer Bross said, that's exactly where I'm headed.
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Speaker 3: You read my mind. Now.
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Speaker 2: You know, in a lot of big cities they think
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Speaker 2: the world ends at their city limits. But FYI for
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Speaker 2: your information everybody. And as I grew up on a
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Speaker 2: red dirt road in rural Georgia, the vast majority of
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Speaker 2: the US is rural, right, so we need to address
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Speaker 2: the realities of investigating a murder in a rural area.
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Speaker 2: And yes, this has been deemed suspicious circumstances. It is
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Speaker 2: considered a homicide. This young twenty three year old mom
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Speaker 2: has been shot dead, a pregnant mom, which I'll go
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Speaker 2: into later with doctor Jory Crawsen. The single most dangerous
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Speaker 2: time for a woman is during pregnancy, murder homicide being
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Speaker 2: the number one cause of death amongst pregnant women. But
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Speaker 2: hold on, doctor Jory, before I get into the whole
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Speaker 2: psychology of pregnant women ending up dead. I want to
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Speaker 2: get these facts down joining us right now. In addition
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Speaker 2: to Jennifer Barosso Kdka and Jory Crawson, who have already
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Speaker 2: introduced you doctor jury psychologist's former law enforcement now faculty
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Speaker 2: at Saint Leo University and by the way, you can
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Speaker 2: find him at doctor Jory j O R e Y
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Speaker 2: dot com. I want to go now to Jared Farentino,
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Speaker 2: homicide prosecutor in this jurisdiction of Pennsylvania, at Jaredfarentino dot com.
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Speaker 2: He's also the host of True Crime Boss podcast, wildly popular.
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Speaker 2: I might add Jared Farentino down to the brass tacks. Okay,
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Speaker 2: when I'm in court prosecuting a homicide case, very often,
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Speaker 2: except for their probitive value what they prove to me,
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Speaker 2: I try to remove myself and my emotions from the
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Speaker 2: case so I can move forward. Jarrett Farantino, this is
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Speaker 2: very difficult. A young mom, just twenty three years old, pregnant.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how pregnant she is. I think I know,
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Speaker 2: but I don't definitely know. So the fact that this
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Speaker 2: young mom has been shot multiple times in her home
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Speaker 2: with their two and three year old child in the home.
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Speaker 2: Those are the facts we have so far. Is unheard of,
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Speaker 2: Jarrett Farantino. How do you remove yourself from the emotion
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Speaker 2: of prosecuting a case, investigating a case where a young
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Speaker 2: mom is slaughtered, pregnant, young.
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Speaker 7: Mom, Nancy. It's damn near impossible to do that. You
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Speaker 7: take those emotions and you let them motivate you in
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Speaker 7: the investmentation and the hard work you have to do,
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Speaker 7: as you well know, in prosecuting these cases. You have
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Speaker 7: a young twenty three year old mother. You have two
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Speaker 7: children left without a mother, and a little baby inside
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Speaker 7: of her that will never have a chance at life.
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Speaker 7: This is a tragedy all the way around and extremely
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Speaker 7: difficult to prosecute. But that's the work of a prosecutor.
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Speaker 7: As you well know, you have to put your emotions aside,
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Speaker 7: consider the evidence, and move forward.
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Speaker 3: I know this.
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Speaker 2: It took us a long time to just get the
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Speaker 2: name Rebecca Biler, and then we learned we believe that
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Speaker 2: she was six months pregnant, the baby viable. We know,
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Speaker 2: we think we know right now that she was shot
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Speaker 2: dead in the living room of her own home. Jerreff Fiarantine.
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Speaker 2: We've heard nothing about a forced entry, no sex attack,
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Speaker 2: and no robbery.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 7: Well, those things there, as you know, are very telling.
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Speaker 7: I've said before when I've been with you, absence of
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Speaker 7: evidence is not evidence of absence. You have certain things
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Speaker 7: that didn't happen here. Two children that survived, you have
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Speaker 7: no forced entry. It would suggest to investigators it's someone
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Speaker 7: with familiarity of the property and someone who felt the
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Speaker 7: need not to harm those other two children. Those are
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Speaker 7: certain things that will jump out at investigators. And I
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Speaker 7: know we were talking about how rural this is Nancy.
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Speaker 7: There's rural and then there's Amish country. This is a
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Speaker 7: throwback to a pre technology time which presents so many
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Speaker 7: unique challenges to investigators and prosecutors in assessing what happened here.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, I'm glad you said that, Jari Fiorentino.
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Speaker 2: Could you explain what you meant by that throwback to
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Speaker 2: a time without technology?
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Speaker 5: Sure?
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Speaker 7: I mean the Homish beliefs are an Anabaptist belief where
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Speaker 7: technology is viewed by Amish people as almost like an
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Speaker 7: interference in their community and just a way to ostracize
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Speaker 7: themselves from one another. And Christ quite honestly, so, any
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Speaker 7: type of technology that usually assists investigators, like a cell phone,
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Speaker 7: would not be present in Amish country. It would be
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Speaker 7: an outlier to have a cell phone in Amagh Country
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Speaker 7: unless it was related to the work one of the
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Speaker 7: members of the community was engaged in. So as we said,
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Speaker 7: you don't have cars passing by, you also don't have
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Speaker 7: this unique tool of a cell phone typically an Amish
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Speaker 7: country to assist in an investigation like.
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Speaker 1: This time stories with me. It's a grace, you know.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about another aspect of this, and I
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Speaker 2: want to go back to Jennifer Barrosso, who is actually
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Speaker 2: joining us in the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. She's with KATIKATV. She's
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Speaker 2: out in the field joining us. Jennifer, It's bad enough
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Speaker 2: in my mind that a twenty three year old, it's
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Speaker 2: basically a girl, she's twenty three. Yet this girl is
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Speaker 2: a grown woman with two children, a husband, a home,
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Speaker 2: and about to give birth to her third child, even
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Speaker 2: if she didn't have the two children and the baby
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Speaker 2: on the way, claiming somebody's life, murdering them at twenty three.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember my fiance was about this age
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Speaker 2: when he was murdered just before a wedding, and just
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Speaker 2: the taking of a life before you can even really
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Speaker 2: start your life a young girl. I mean, the community
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Speaker 2: has got to be devastated, because I am and I've
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Speaker 2: never known Rebecca except in death. To tell me about
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Speaker 2: how this has affected them, and are they willing to
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Speaker 2: come forward with information because I'm not sure anybody on
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Speaker 2: the panel helped me out, because I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Aren't amish.
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Speaker 2: Aren't they against judging anyone making a judgment on another person?
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Speaker 2: I mean, would they be willing to cut break ranks
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Speaker 2: and come forward if they knew anything?
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Speaker 8: Nancy, I just looked this one up before we started
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Speaker 8: the show, and yes, they typically don't report crimes before
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Speaker 8: they happen, or obviously before they happen. But they typically
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Speaker 8: don't report crimes proactively right in the moment. But they
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Speaker 8: do cooperate with law enforcement once a crime has happened,
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Speaker 8: because they tend to try to insulate themselves from the outside,
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Speaker 8: and so I'm hopeful that they will be cooperating much
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Speaker 8: more than they would before this happens. In other words,
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Speaker 8: if there was a domestic violence.
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Speaker 2: Issue, guys, this is Robin Drake speaking behavior expert, former
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Speaker 2: FBI special agent.
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Speaker 3: That's the part I like, and listen to.
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Speaker 2: This Chief of the FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Repeat,
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Speaker 2: Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. I feel
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Speaker 2: like I should just go home right now after saying
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Speaker 2: that author of sizing people up a veteran FBI agent's
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Speaker 2: manual for behavior prediction, Robin Drake joining us. Robin, what
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Speaker 2: further light can you shed on this? Because right now
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Speaker 2: police are begging for help, and I'm about to give
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Speaker 2: you the one clue. Actually, let me give you the
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Speaker 2: clue right now. Take a listen to our friend at
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Speaker 2: crimeonline dot com.
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Speaker 1: Dave mack.
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Speaker 9: Spartan Township, Pennsylvania, has a population of less than two
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Speaker 9: thousand people. This area, about thirty five miles southeast of Erie,
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Speaker 9: is homage country and an Amish country or some buggies
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Speaker 9: are the preferred mode of transportation. So when a red
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Speaker 9: is parked in the driveway at Andy and Rebecca Buyler's home,
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Speaker 9: family and friends take notice. It's around ten am on Monday.
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Speaker 9: Some members of the community report is seeing the red
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Speaker 9: jeep driving up and down their road earlier that morning.
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Speaker 3: Okay, a red jeep, a red jeep.
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Speaker 2: And also when I researched this, I got eighteen thousand
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Speaker 2: population in Sparta township, Jennifer, Barosso is at less than
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Speaker 2: eighteen thousand because my research at eighteen thousand. But I
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Speaker 2: just heard Dave Max say two thousand, which is even
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Speaker 2: more on the point I was making of a low population.
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Speaker 3: Jennifer, what's the answer.
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Speaker 6: You're correct, it is about two thousand in terms of population,
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Speaker 6: once again making it very arduous for law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, Robin Drake, she's right. I want to get
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Speaker 2: back to you on the one clue that we've got
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Speaker 2: so far, a red jeep driving up and down on.
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Speaker 3: Their road earlier that morning.
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Speaker 2: We think that she was killed before lunchtime and after
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Speaker 2: the husband went to work, so that could be crucial.
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Speaker 2: On the other hand, Robin Drake, people tour, they go visit,
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Speaker 2: as I did when I was living with my sister
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Speaker 2: in Philly. They go tour Amish country. So what does
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Speaker 2: the red jeep really tell me? And does that mean
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Speaker 2: riding up and down the road or up and down
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Speaker 2: their driveway.
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Speaker 3: Let's just start with the red jeep, Robin.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, it's an outliar, and that's what we're looking
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Speaker 8: for in cases like this. This community is a community
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Speaker 8: of massively established, baseline normal behavior. So I agree with
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Speaker 8: Jared wholeheartedly spoke earlier that we don't have a lot
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Speaker 8: to go on, but what we do have to go
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Speaker 8: on is a profile. The likelihood of her knowing her
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Speaker 8: murderer is really really high when you're looking at stats,
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Speaker 8: and when you have outliers of behavior like this red Jeep,
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Speaker 8: you're immediately going to zero in on it. The challenge,
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Speaker 8: as has been highlighted, is the distance between people. But
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Speaker 8: at the same time, though, if you're looking at the
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Speaker 8: fact that she most likely knew her murderer, if we're
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Speaker 8: looking at stats and it's a really really small type community,
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Speaker 8: even though they're spread out, the likelihood of other people
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Speaker 8: in that community knowing or at least pretting able to
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Speaker 8: provide leads is really high. And then when you can
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Speaker 8: kind of triangulate a red Jeep on that, I'm the
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Speaker 8: glass half full kind of guy in the sense of, hey,
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Speaker 8: we just got to work the problem, and I think
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Speaker 8: they hopefully will have enough just because this person, whoever
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Speaker 8: it was, felt very very safe in committing this crime
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Speaker 8: in broad daylight in a home with two other children.
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Speaker 2: Another issue, Jennifer Barrosso KDKA, is while we're getting conflicting reports,
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Speaker 2: we're also getting a report that the red jeep was
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Speaker 2: actually in their driveway.
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Speaker 3: What do you know?
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Speaker 6: So police are not saying much about that red jeep,
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Speaker 6: but they do tell me sources that they have people
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Speaker 6: of interest, but no suspects. They've checked out the husband.
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Speaker 6: They tell me that they're fairly confident his alibi checked out.
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Speaker 6: One thing I wanted to point out, Nancy, is that
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Speaker 6: my source is telling me that they've had some burglaries
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Speaker 6: of Amish residents in that area, not specifically saying on
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Speaker 6: that dirt road, but that's one thing they pointed out
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Speaker 6: to me right now. Who was in that red jeep.
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Speaker 6: They're not really elaborating much more than that.
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Speaker 2: Yeahs for those of you just joining us, a beautiful
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Speaker 2: young twenty three year old woman, practically a girl six
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Speaker 2: months pregnant with two children too, taught ages two and three.
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Speaker 3: We believe in the home at the time mommy is murdered.
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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Jory's going to have to figure out
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Speaker 2: for me what effect this is going to have on them.
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Speaker 3: But to doctor.
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Speaker 2: Michelle Dupree, joining me renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former
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Speaker 2: detective with Lexington County Sheriff's Department, author of money, mischief
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Speaker 2: and murder, the Murdog saga.
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Speaker 3: In fact, she shot.
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Speaker 2: To the forefront of the national consciousness when Alexei Murdog
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Speaker 2: was prosecuted in her jurisdiction of South Carolina. But what
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Speaker 2: interests me the most about doctor Dupree is she is
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Speaker 2: the author, literally wrote the book Homicide Investigation Field Guide,
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Speaker 2: which I have relied on many times, doctor Dupree. Doctor
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Speaker 2: Michelle questioned to you, do you remember when Alexei Murdog.
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Speaker 3: Arranged his own shooting.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's just a pain in my reread even now,
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Speaker 2: on a rural road by his drug dealing buddy and relative.
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Speaker 2: And there was no surveillance cameras around. And you and
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Speaker 2: I were on air analyzing one day, and we came
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Speaker 2: up with the theory that the cameras at the far
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Speaker 2: end of that rural road that intersected with a bigger
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Speaker 2: highway should be checked. And in fact, there was an
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Speaker 2: old Baptist church there with cameras that showed Murnog and any.
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Speaker 3: Other cars going onto that rural road.
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Speaker 2: Now, while I know, none of the Amish homes themselves
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Speaker 2: have ring cameras. I really believe that step number one,
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Speaker 2: outside the processing of the crime scene and the home,
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Speaker 2: should be going to those locations where people would turn
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Speaker 2: off to go to homage country and review all the
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Speaker 2: video see if they can find the red jeep turning in,
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Speaker 2: because nobody in that neighborhood owns a red jeep. I
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Speaker 2: can promise you that and catch it turning in from
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Speaker 2: all points, all angles going to that location. It may
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Speaker 2: be one, two, five, ten miles away, but they had
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Speaker 2: to get their some out.
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Speaker 10: That's exactly right, Nancy, And that's an excellent idea. If
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Speaker 10: we had cameras at either end of that road that
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Speaker 10: might pick up a red cheek and we could get
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Speaker 10: the license plate number. That would be an excellent investigative tool.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, doctor Duprix, Have you ever performed an autopsy on
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Speaker 2: a pregnant lady?
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Speaker 10: I have, Nancy. There was a motor vehicle accident and
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Speaker 10: we were actually able to extract the baby and the
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Speaker 10: baby did live, but the mother did not.
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Speaker 2: You know, Doctor dupre an ironclad rule cross examination or
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Speaker 2: direct is to never ask the question you don't know
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Speaker 2: the answer.
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Speaker 3: I just did that. I thought that's what you were
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Speaker 3: going to say.
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Speaker 2: With all of your thousands of cases you've worked.
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Speaker 3: Tell me about the death of Rebecca.
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Speaker 2: She endured, we believe, multiple gunshot wounds in her own home,
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Speaker 2: in her living room, and her unborn child died as well.
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Speaker 10: Nancy, I can't fathom this. I am sure that she
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Speaker 10: was scared to death, not just for her life, but
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Speaker 10: for the life of her unborn child. I don't know
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Speaker 10: where on the body she was shot, but I'm sure
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Speaker 10: that it was terrifying and painful as well. And again,
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Speaker 10: just thinking of her dying and her child dying must
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Speaker 10: have been horrifying.
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Speaker 2: How long would it have taken her to bleed out,
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Speaker 2: either externally or internally?
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Speaker 10: Of course, all that depends on how many times she
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Speaker 10: was shot and where she was shot, but it could
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Speaker 10: be as little as a few minutes too even longer,
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Speaker 10: just again depending on where she was shot.
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Speaker 2: And regarding the baby, how along would the baby live
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Speaker 2: after mommy was shot.
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Speaker 10: Well, it would not be very long. She would have
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Speaker 10: to have received almost immediate medical care and to have
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Speaker 10: the baby probably removed by cesarean section, providing that none
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Speaker 10: of the child or the placenta or anything was actually injured,
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Speaker 10: so it would have been minutes really.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can remember Doctor Dupree when I had
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Speaker 2: an emergency delivery. I was to a point where I
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Speaker 2: couldn't breathe very well at all, and they were just
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Speaker 2: trying to get the twins out quickly, you know, to
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Speaker 2: make sure that they survived. I'm just imagining all this
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Speaker 2: family is going through now. The community is rallying around
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Speaker 2: this family. The local residents are raising money, food, anything
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Speaker 2: to try to help the family. Guys, I want to
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Speaker 2: go now to doctor Jory Crausen, who I've mentioned several
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Speaker 2: times to make sense of what we know. But first,
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Speaker 2: doctor Jory, I want you to hear more facts from
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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner from Crime Stories.
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Speaker 11: It's just afternoon when Andy Byler and a friend arrive
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Speaker 11: at the Biler home. He shares the home with his
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Speaker 11: pregnant wife, Rebecca, and their two children. At around twelve
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Speaker 11: to fifteen pm, Byler walks into his living room, finding
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Speaker 11: his wife dead on the floor. After checking on his wife,
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Speaker 11: Byler starts looking for his children, and the friend calls police.
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Speaker 11: The children are in the home unharmed.
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Speaker 2: The children in the home unharmed to doctor U, Doctor
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Speaker 2: Jory Crawsen, what effect will this have on them, because so.
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Speaker 3: Often we hear.
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Speaker 2: Misinformed individual state, oh, they won't remember, they will remember
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Speaker 2: one way or the other, Doctor Jory.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, let me start off with you know, you're born
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Speaker 12: with just two fears, the fear of falling and loud noises.
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Speaker 12: The gunshots are going to be recorded in the memory,
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Speaker 12: even of a two year old. Okay, that fear factor
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Speaker 12: is initiated with that loud sound, that explosion, So they're
24:10
Speaker 12: going to remember this. You know, it may start to
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Speaker 12: be buried. Of course as they develop. The other factor
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Speaker 12: you have to consider is the loss of their mother.
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Speaker 12: They're in the stage is now where they bond and attach,
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Speaker 12: and that's where you know, their self confidence, their self esteem,
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Speaker 12: their identity, all of that is built on that attachment
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Speaker 12: to the paternal figures, both mother and father.
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Speaker 2: You know, very often to you, Jarrett Farantino, we immediately
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Speaker 2: look to the husband. But I'd like to harken back
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Speaker 2: to a case that I investigated and covered the case
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Speaker 2: of pastor Davey Blackburn who left one morning to go
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Speaker 2: to the gym to work out really early in the morning.
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Speaker 2: He came home to find his pregnant wife shot dead
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Speaker 2: in the foyer the entry hall to their home. His wife, Amanda,
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Speaker 2: and everyone immediately assumed he was somehow involved.
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Speaker 3: He wasn't.
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, the purpose are part of
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Speaker 2: a burglary robbery crew that had been canvassing the neighborhood
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Speaker 2: and came in the home when Amanda was there with
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Speaker 2: her child and shot her dead for no reason.
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Speaker 3: They could have just left, but they didn't. They killed her.
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Speaker 2: So I think everyone should proceed with caution before the
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Speaker 2: finger is pointed at the husband way in Jared.
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Speaker 7: I agree, Nancy. All options have to be on the table.
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Speaker 7: We cannot come at these kinds of cases with a
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Speaker 7: prosecutorial bias. It will inhibit the investigation. It will cause
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Speaker 7: investigators to look away from what could be relevant and
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Speaker 7: important evidence. So, as you said, there have been many
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Speaker 7: cases where it has been the husband, But at the
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Speaker 7: same time, there are those other cases where a third
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Speaker 7: party was introduced or it was a burglary gone bad.
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Speaker 7: All options right now appear to be on the table,
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Speaker 7: and that red jeep really throws the possibility that there
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Speaker 7: was someone from outside this community entering into that Amish community,
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Speaker 7: and that's exactly how a co investigatives have to look at it.
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Speaker 2: A family left struggling to understand what has happened to
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Speaker 2: a beloved wife, a young woman just twenty three and
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Speaker 2: a mother to two. To Jennifer Brosso joining us, I
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Speaker 2: understand that the time of death has been now estimated
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Speaker 2: to be between eight thirty AM and twelve fifteen. I'm
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Speaker 2: assuming they're getting the twelve fifteen because that's the time
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Speaker 2: the husband came home with the friend. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if eight point thirty is the time he left, or
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Speaker 2: if they're somehow determining that time from the state of
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Speaker 2: her body.
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Speaker 6: So we were trying to ask police more about that.
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Speaker 6: They are staying tight lipped. Just what I was told
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Speaker 6: that like other Amish families, this this mother would get
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Speaker 6: up and she would do the laundry, make breakfast, the
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Speaker 6: house was very clean, and what what the when the
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Speaker 6: husband actually left for work and what he did that morning,
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Speaker 6: what brought him home around twelve Policies aren't saying. I
27:34
Speaker 6: know that they have interviewed the husband and basically sources
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Speaker 6: telling me that his alibi this checks out. They they
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Speaker 6: have people of interest, but no suspects in this case
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Speaker 6: right now, but really trying to get those details about
27:55
Speaker 6: what made him come home. We're still waiting to hear
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Speaker 6: from police on that.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that's making me wonder did he not
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Speaker 2: normally come home for lunch? So when you say they're
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out what made him come home, now,
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Speaker 2: I want to know why he came home. Robin Drake
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Speaker 2: joining me, behavioral expert, formerly chief of FBI counter Intelligence
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Speaker 2: Behavioral Analysis Program, now author. Robin again, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. Very often, you'll hear a lot of pushback. Wow,
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Speaker 2: you're looking at the husband.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I always look at the husband, the boyfriend, the lover,
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Speaker 2: the ex because statistically.
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Speaker 3: They did it. Bam, there you go. Those are the statistics.
28:37
Speaker 3: I didn't make him up.
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Speaker 2: They are gathered from thousands and thousands and tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of examples. That's why statistically you look at the husband,
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Speaker 2: that does not mean the husband did it. And in fact,
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Speaker 2: in this case, he seems to have an alibi.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's why they call it profiling, because you
28:58
Speaker 8: create an ideal resume of someone that would typically commit
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Speaker 8: this type of crime based on research and data that
29:04
Speaker 8: you can then take and create an overlay. So when
29:07
Speaker 8: you have all these leads coming in, hopefully there's lots
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Speaker 8: of leads coming in, you can start creating a filter
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Speaker 8: based on that ideal resume or profile. And again, this
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Speaker 8: community is a community of pattern. They've done the same
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Speaker 8: thing for a couple hundred years, and so hopefully the
29:23
Speaker 8: people are going to notice a deviation from that pattern,
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Speaker 8: both with individuals vehicles obviously, whether whether I really hope
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Speaker 8: that there is cameras at the end of the road,
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Speaker 8: you know, when they enter the main highway, maybe the
29:37
Speaker 8: individual if they were from outside. Again, you've got to
29:39
Speaker 8: go where the leads and the evidence takes you without
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Speaker 8: that presumption.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with me, it's a grace.
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Speaker 2: We know that Amish are pacifists. That's very well documented.
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Speaker 2: We know that from every single war that the US
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Speaker 2: has been involved in. But weapons are not forbidden. Guns
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Speaker 2: are not forbidden amongst the Amish. Are you surprised?
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Speaker 1: I was.
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Speaker 8: I really wouldn't consider. But when you kind of do
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Speaker 8: that overlay of self reliance and resilience in a more
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Speaker 8: rural kind of life, hunting would be appropriate, and so
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Speaker 8: you would have a firearm for hunting, but violence against others,
30:35
Speaker 8: that is abhorrent to them, that is against all things.
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Speaker 8: And so it's just, boy, this is a real curious one,
30:42
Speaker 8: just because there's a lot of there's a lot of
30:44
Speaker 8: small data points that are kind of standing out from that.
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Speaker 8: Firearms is a huge one that's standing out because of
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Speaker 8: the type of community, but the red truck is also
30:54
Speaker 8: standing out. Again. I'm really I can't. I'm really looking
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Speaker 8: forward to see what law enforcement says next week when
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Speaker 8: they finally do let some information out there, because I
31:02
Speaker 8: think it's going to have a lot of details in
31:03
Speaker 8: it that will hopefully be helpful.
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Speaker 2: Well, the amist are so dedicated to pacifism they don't
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Speaker 2: even celebrate holidays that lawd honor or glorify the military
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Speaker 2: or any military victory. They don't even do that. But
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Speaker 2: guns apparently did not fit into their definition of technology.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly.
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Speaker 2: Why, but I do know now because of this case
31:29
Speaker 2: that guns are allowed in homage communities. At first, I thought,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, a gun that means nobody in their
31:36
Speaker 2: neighborhood or community did it.
31:37
Speaker 3: That's not entirely true.
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Speaker 2: However, just as you said, Robbin Drie, the red jeep
31:44
Speaker 2: is the fly in that ointment because the purp may
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Speaker 2: have not only had it. When we know the purp
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Speaker 2: had a gun and yes it is a he count
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Speaker 2: on it, but they may have been driving a red jeep.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know? Take a listen to what
31:57
Speaker 2: we know about the autopsy. This is Sydney Sumner Crime Online.
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Speaker 11: Investigators aren't releasing information from Buyler's autopsy, but they do
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Speaker 11: say the findings help determine when Rebecca Buyler was killed,
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Speaker 11: and that has investigators asking for the community's help. They're
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Speaker 11: looking for information on Buyler's movements from eight thirty am
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Speaker 11: to twelve fifteen pm on Monday, as that was when
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Speaker 11: Buyler and the two children were at the home alone.
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Speaker 2: And more from Rachel Bonea Crime Stories.
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Speaker 13: Police cars line fish Flatt's road outside the Builer home.
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Speaker 13: Rebecca Builer's death has been ruled a homicide. Authorities have
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Speaker 13: not yet revealed how Builer was killed, but according to
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Speaker 13: CBS News, Buyler was shot multiple times. Police say the
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Speaker 13: crime does not look like a robbery, as there's no
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Speaker 13: evidence that anything was taken from the home. For now,
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Speaker 13: there are no suspects or a motive.
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Speaker 2: The fact that nothing was taken from the home, Jarrett Farantino,
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Speaker 2: I find probative. It proves something to me that robbery
32:57
Speaker 2: was not the motive. However, in the k saw Pastor
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Speaker 2: Davy Blackburn, his wife Amanda was killed. As I recall,
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Speaker 2: nothing was taken from that home either the props had
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Speaker 2: intended to burglarize it, but I don't recall if anything
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Speaker 2: was actually taken. So the fact that we can't find
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Speaker 2: anything taken does not mean the motivation was not robbery.
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Speaker 7: I agree, Nancy. This is something where Rebecca could have
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Speaker 7: happened upon someone that entered the home, the killing occurred,
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Speaker 7: and that person fled the scene, although it was ultimately
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Speaker 7: their intention to commit the robbery when they entered the property,
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Speaker 7: So that is an option that has to certainly be considered.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, think you're right, doctor Jordy Crausa, and you're
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Speaker 2: the shrink.
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Speaker 3: Think about it.
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Speaker 2: She was shot dead, from what we know, fully clothed
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Speaker 2: in the living room, which means to me, did she
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Speaker 2: hear somebody coming in the front door when they weren't.
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Speaker 3: Supposed to be?
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Speaker 2: Like I know what time my children are going to
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Speaker 2: walk through the door, What time my husband's going to
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Speaker 2: walk through the door, what time my mom is going
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Speaker 2: to come out of her room.
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Speaker 3: I know that, and.
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Speaker 2: When I hear it, I know what it is. Did
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Speaker 2: she hear the front door open and went, WHOA, who's that?
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Speaker 2: And went to go explore? Because she was gunned down
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Speaker 2: right there in the living room looking.
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Speaker 12: At the suspect, whoever it may be, you know, with
34:21
Speaker 12: the behavior pattern he may have come into, like rob
34:24
Speaker 12: or burgerized, got startled, shot her, saw the two children,
34:29
Speaker 12: and then just abandoned that plan, like I got to
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Speaker 12: get out of here now. So now the survival moon
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Speaker 12: kicks in and he just he takes nothing. He wants
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Speaker 12: to get away, He wants to get out of here.
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what police as if
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Speaker 2: they need our help.
34:45
Speaker 3: But what should police be doing right now? What about it?
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Speaker 8: Robin Drake, I'm looking at all everyone from past relationships,
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Speaker 8: you know. I used to watch a show of Breaking
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Speaker 8: Amish and when you look at the average age of
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Speaker 8: the poppylar of this small Amish community, it's in the forties,
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Speaker 8: which means that the younger people are leaving in droves,
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Speaker 8: not droves necessarily, but it's a decreasing population. When it
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Speaker 8: looked at this particular area, which means that there could
35:13
Speaker 8: have been someone in this woman's background that has left
35:17
Speaker 8: the community and maybe come back again. It's a hypothesis,
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Speaker 8: and we're going to go where the data and the
35:25
Speaker 8: leads follow us and the evidence follows. But when I
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Speaker 8: see a red jeep, when I see I mean, it
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Speaker 8: can be anything, like you said, a burglary gone bad.
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Speaker 8: But man, it's in the middle of nowhere. They kind
35:35
Speaker 8: of knew when to go to the house, when the
35:37
Speaker 8: husband's going to be away, and nothing was taken. I mean,
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Speaker 8: like you said, when you look at all the statistics
35:44
Speaker 8: and you create that overlay in that profile, it's kind
35:46
Speaker 8: of leading you down the path that most likely the
35:50
Speaker 8: high probability that she knew who murdered her. So I'm
35:54
Speaker 8: looking at and interviewing everyone in that community that knows
35:58
Speaker 8: each other really, really well, and who from the passion
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Speaker 8: we have a conversation with, especially if they might not
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Speaker 8: be part of the community anymore.
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Speaker 3: Jackie Howard, what do you know, Nancy.
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Speaker 14: We just learned from the search warrant filings for the
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Speaker 14: Builer home that Rebecca Biler appeared to have suffered cutting
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Speaker 14: wounds to her neck and head. Now this is obviously
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Speaker 14: physically different from the reports of the gunshots that we
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Speaker 14: had before, but the neck and head are areas of
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Speaker 14: the body that bleed the most, so it's easy to
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Speaker 14: see why that was the initial conclusion from witnesses at
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Speaker 14: the scene. Trooper Adam Black, who filed the search warrants,
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Speaker 14: wrote the victim's husband, Andy Byler, found the body a
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Speaker 14: short distance inside the home a woman previously described by
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Speaker 14: police as a family friend called nine to one one.
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Speaker 14: Police say so far, the investigation and autopsy have given
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Speaker 14: investigators an idea of what the murder weapon may have been,
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Speaker 14: but it is not in police custody. The warrants are
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Speaker 14: for knives, blades, cutting instruments, and other items. Again, police
36:56
Speaker 14: have not said how Rebecca Biler was killed. So far,
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Speaker 14: there are no suspects, and police are asking for the
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Speaker 14: public to report any tips or suspicious people, vehicles, or
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Speaker 14: activity in the area of Fish Flats Road. Pennsylvania Crime
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Speaker 14: Stoppers say there's a two thousand dollars reward for information.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 2: brutal murder of Rebecca Biler and our unborn child, please
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Speaker 2: call eight one four six ' sixty three two zero
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Speaker 2: four to three repeat eight one four six ' sixty
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Speaker 2: three two zero four three.
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Speaker 3: There is a go fund Me.
37:37
Speaker 2: Online right now where funds are being gathered to help
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Speaker 2: the family of Rebecca Biler.
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Speaker 3: We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friends,