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learn more and hopefully to support us. Now let's jump into today's edgy conversation with my guest, author, lecturer, filmmaker, and friend, LA Marzuli, to talk about his book, his most recent book, Rungs of Disclosure, Following the Trail of Extraterrestrials and the End Times. Now there's an edgy topic for you.
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Well, it's great to be here, Dr.
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T. Thanks for having
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me
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back on. Appreciate
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it. Yeah,
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this book will reveal to you the truth about extraterrestrials on Earth and what biblical perspectives have to say about it.
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And that really gives it a very special edge. So LA,
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you are the author of so many books.
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What got you interested in the study of UFOs?
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Well, I mean, I saw one when I was a
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12-year-old boy at Boy Scout Camp. I was coming back, taking a shortcut to our campsite with
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three other boys.
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And I'll never
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forget it. I can I can run it. I'm 75 years
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old and I can run that like it was yesterday. And we're hopping,
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it's a dry creek bed, and we're hopping from
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boulder to boulder. Like what 12-year-old boys do. And the
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lead boy, I'm the fourth
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boy, I'm the last boy
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on the line. Lead guy goes, Wow, what's
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that? And he looks over, and I go, where? And the ever two boy goes, Wow, there, and they point. So
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I look over, and there is literally a classic silver disk in
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the sky, just sitting there. No sound, the
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sunlight
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is glinting off of it. And we watched it for maybe 20 seconds. Dr. T,
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it went like this straight
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up in the air and a
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blink of an eye, gone. I mean, a blink of an eye. We go running back to camp. We
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saw a UFO,
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we saw a flying saucer, and the scoutmaster comes out, and
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the other
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boys come
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out. I mean,
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I
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can see this. I ran the film with my head,
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and we're surrounded by
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the scout masters and the kids. What did it look like? Where did it
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go? Did you see anything? What happened? And the scout masters are well, blah,
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blah, blah. So we go to lunch.
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By the evening meal, the other three boys denied that they had seen anything. And it
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was my first introduction into herd mentality. I've always been interested in the phenomena. 1968, Eric von Daniken, who passed away this week, wrote a groundbreaking book. The and that was that sent me off
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to the whole discovery, the whole
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ancient astronaut theory, which I believed in until I became a
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Christian. So 1968, I'm
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18 years old. 12 years later, when I'm 30, I become born again and spirit filled. My paradigm changes.
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I go from extraterrestrials, ancient astronaut theorists to fallen
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angels, the biblical perspective. And since then, there are 15 books, 32 films. Not all of them deal with the Nephilim and the UFO disclosure, but many of them do, and that's why we we just held
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this conference January 16th and 17th. It's
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still up, you can still sign up and watch it. But we had
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10 speakers all talking about the whole UFO phenomenon. I don't know that I've ever told anybody this, LA, but when I was about 12, I had a very similar experience with a very similar
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like the thing that you just held up to show. I was standing back
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behind our house, and we lived out in the country, there was no ground light, it was very dark. It was
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a summer night, and I saw this UFO thing with this red flashing lights going around the bottom of it. You could clearly see it, and I followed it for maybe five minutes as it very slowly went across the sky, and then off to this this side, going from which would be south to north, was a small, it was a
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prop plane that was coming across, was going that way. And suddenly when I look
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back at the what I perceived to be a UFO, it did the same thing. It just boof just went
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up and it was just gone because it was
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coming in contact with this cross of this airplane. So
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I
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mean, that was really pretty interesting. I ran in and I told my parents, and they just looked at me like I was crazy. Sure.
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I don't think I've told anybody else, anybody that my entire life, except I'm telling you a similar
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discussion. What brought you to writing this
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particular book at this time called. The Rungs of Disclosure? And
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what does the title really mean
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to you? Well, before I address that, let me just thank you for sharing that
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with me. I get this from people all the time. I'm a warm fuzzy bear, and people will, I mean, I'm giving an illustration. So I'm at a conference, and a man and a husband and
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wife are there, and the wife starts telling me about her abduction phenomena, her abduction experience, and the husband's like, you
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never told me this. And and it's
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not because I'm someone special, it's just because they people
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like
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yourself realize
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that they
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can trust me. And I'm there's no ridicule, there's no judgment. There's
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only, yeah, you had a close encounter with the first time, Dr. T. That's what you saw. It was
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real. The rungs of disclosure, the nexus for that, the for the book. Of course, I
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have a copy right here on my desk, but I'm
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watching Tucker Carlson when he was
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on Fox News. And I mean, I used to watch Bill O'Reilly and
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O'Reilly left, and then Tucker came in. And so I'm watching Tucker, and it's a Friday night.
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And Tucker looks right at
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the camera. It's a close-up, like just like what I'm what you're seeing now with me. And Tucker goes, UFOs used
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to be the stuff
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of tunfoil hot wearing people and conspiracy theorists. But maybe we shouldn't
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think that anymore. Commander David Fraver joins us tonight, a former
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F-18 pilot who had a
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close encounter with an a tic-tac shape object. And
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the camera shifts. There's Tucker, Commander David Fraver, the former F-18
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pilots here. And then they're showing UFO footage. And this, it's a Friday night. He's the last interview with
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Commander David
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Fraver. And Fravor talks about
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his encounter with a tic-tac-shaped object. And at the end, towards the close of the interview, Tucker goes, in your
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opinion,
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Commander David Favor, what did you see? What was this? And Fraver looks right at
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the camera. Commander Fraver
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looks right at the camera
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and says, Whatever this was was not from this earth.
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Dr. T, I said to my wife,
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oh my gosh, this is
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it. This is disclosure. We're
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getting disclosure. And that was the first rung on the
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ladder of disclosure. And then we're up to rung number 25.
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The book has 17 rungs. It's a little over a
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year old now. It came out, charisma publishing published it. And it and it came out last October 2024.
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So it's been
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around for about a year, selling
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really well. And even what
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amazes me, even with all
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this stuff going on, you think it'd
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be flying off the shelves.
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People are reticent.
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People, especially people in the church. They don't
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know how to deal with the subject. That's why I wrote wrote the book. But it it goes rung by rung. You're climbing up a ladder. That's the analogy. And at the top rung
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of a ladder is full disclosure. Well, with
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what's happening in
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Congress, what's happening with
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age of disclosure, the film
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that came out a little over a month ago, Civis Bilberg's got a film coming
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out the summer, disclosure. I mean, you have Congress, you have age of disclosure. It's it's everywhere. It's ubiquitous now. And that's why I wrote the book. You started
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the book, which it's very interesting and and for the reader, very easy
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to read. It's a very engaging book that really takes you through dialogues and
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interviews that you did, and it's a real easy to read book. So it reads
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really quickly, and you can
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get information really quickly. You started
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the book by giving the Roswell Crash background. And I know that you and your business partners, Gil Zimmerman created two films about the
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Roswell event. What are your
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thoughts about that? And why do you think it's important?
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This is a piece of
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metal that we retrieved from the
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the debris field outside of Roswell. It's an aluminum alloy. It doesn't
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match any known aluminum alloy that we have. It's an aluminum alloy. It's folded
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in on itself. And
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the medaller just we looked
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at it under a scanning electron microscope. So we were there in the debris field with Chuck Sikowski, Frank
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Kimbler. They had two metal detectors. Chuck had his Frank had his. We
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pray, Gil, Jim Peterson, and myself that the Lord would just reveal to us what he wanted to show us. And all of a sudden, like a minute later, Frank Kimber goes, guys, I got a
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hit. So we go running over, and we show on film, according to Chuck Sikowski, we are the only film company to
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ever actually
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show a piece of the metal coming out of a debris field. No,
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no one else is ever, they always show it afterwards, but they never show the actual metal coming up out of the ground.
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And we show that. So Frank's there with a little garden
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spade, and he's going like this, he's digging down. He's
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got he's got a
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pile of dirt, and
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he's got his metal detector, and and finally it's out
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of the ground, but he doesn't
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know where it is, but it's out of
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the ground. It's in a little pile of
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dirt, probably about four to six inches high. And now he's taking it, he
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takes a piece in
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his hand. Here's the metal detector. He goes like this. And if a
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metal detector doesn't
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go off, he dumps the dirt.
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He does this like two or
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three times, nothing. All of a
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sudden, it's like beep, beep, beep. Now he knows that the metal is in his hand. So now he takes he takes
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the what's in his hand
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and he and he
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sifts it. He
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puts it
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in this hand.
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So now he's got he's divided it in half, and he puts this
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hand in front of the metal attacker. Nope, nothing there. So
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now he's got this one
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little pile.
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Again, he goes, beep, beep, beep.
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Sure enough, it's there in his hand. Now
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he opens his palm and very gently he begins to push
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the the dirt and the and the sand away from
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it. And then he goes, Oh my gosh. And we show this in
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the film. Let me see if I have it. I know I have
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it. Yeah, here we go. Yeah, right here. This
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is actually my hand in the debris field. That's what it looked
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like. Wow. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly that's exactly what it looks like. How are you able to walk off
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the debris field with
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that? I mean, well, it's it's it's public land. It's not
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it's not private property, it's it's public land. So I'll tell you
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another thing the powers that be. This is a this is a 12-inch metal spike. And Frank
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Kimbler had been out to
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the debris field many times. The
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powers that be went back into that debris field and pounded these metal spikes down into the ground.
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Why did they do that? Because if you got a metal detector, this is what you're gonna get. This came from a
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debris field at
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Roswell. So this is this is the spike, but this is the real
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metal from the crash craft. It looks like plastic. It's it's very strange. If if you're an electrical engineer and you're watching this,
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we will hire you. We want to we
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want to pass an
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electrical current through this metal object to see what it may do.
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It's Dr. T, it's folded in on itself like this, and you can
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see it with the negative
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eye. But when you go down, when
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you magnify it under the
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SEMs, getting an electron microscope three or four
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hundred times, like we did in the lab, you can see it. It's like you'll see you'll see
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the folds like this. It's amazing. The medaler just came out and looked
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at it and said, I said, Well, what do you make of this? And she goes, Well, whatever this was,
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it went through something very traumatic. I said, like an explosion. She goes, Yeah, like an explosion. Then I told
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her what it was. And of
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course, oohs and ahs and
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all this other stuff. So then another the metaler just has this machine and she takes
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the piece and puts it in the machine. Well, it's it's an aluminum alloy, but she can't, she
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can't identify it. Chuck Sikowski took his piece to another lab, same thing, in between two known metal
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alloys, but it doesn't match. Frank Kimbler did his piece, all
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from a debris field in Roswell, to another lab. So you got
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three different labs, right? And
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they're all saying the same
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thing. Whatever this is is in between two known pieces or two known aluminum alloys. So there was a film a while back, and I want they did a
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great job on it. Christian filmmakers, our hats are off to
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them, but they have a
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different paradigm than we do. They insist that what crashed at Roswell was a weather balloon. In
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our film on Roswell, we interviewed Dr. Jesse Marcel Sr. It's
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an old clip. I never
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interviewed him, but I did interview his son, Marcel Jr., and we reenact that in the film, our
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two films on Roswell. And
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it's the film is called they got all these props here.
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The film is called
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Exoneration. And the reason why we do this is because,
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in our opinion, Jesse Marcel Sr. was the
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Lee Harvey Oswald of Euphology,
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he was a Patsy. It was it
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was a
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total setup. And now it's decades later, and another film crew is interviewing Jesse Marcel Sr. In the debris
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field. And he goes, and
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he and he says
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on the record, looks right at the
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camera. This guy's
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telling the truth. There was like this foil like substance on the ground. You could pick
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it
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up, you could water it into a ball. It was light,
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it but you couldn't bend it. You could you
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get it with slange hammer, a wooden
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dent. He's going on and
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on. Then he goes, they at the press conference,
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the reporters wanted
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me to talk about the debris, but that's not what I did. I didn't feel comfortable doing
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it. So General Raimi did
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it. And
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General Raimi
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said it was a weather
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balloon. And Marcel Sr. looks right at the camera and goes, but we both knew differently. Why? Because there was a meeting
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that Walter
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G. Hot writes about in a deathbed affidavit. And whether it's true or not,
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we'll never know. He's passed from this earth. I believe it's true, but other people don't. But Walter G. Howe said this that they passed around this material. General Raimi was
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there. Walter
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G. Hott was there. Jesse Marcel Sr. was there, and it was unlike
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any material that they had ever no one,
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no one could identify it. Walter G. Hot was in hangar 84
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and saw the craft and saw the bodies. Marcel was a Patsy, and that's why we did the film
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exoneration, because what people don't
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realize that all these
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other film companies always go, Well,
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what did you see? Blah,
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blah, blah. But they
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never talk about what the Marcel
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family went through, which was unbelievable. And you've got to remember Jesse Marcel Sr. was the
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intelligence officer of the 509th bombing group. The 509th bombing group
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is the bombing group that dropped the two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This guy's not Omer
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Fudd. He's highly intelligent. He's an incredible guy. He's military all the way. He knows what's out there. And his son, Jesse Marcel Jr. comes on the record with us, and we reenact
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that because he passed away a number of years ago. We interviewed
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Linda, his his his widow. We're the first people ever to get her take, her side of the story
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on this whole Roswell crash. We interviewed her Jesse Marcel's daughter
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and about all this, and she comes on the record as well as one
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of his closest friends. So it's exoneration is what
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it is. And
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we also got some
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some inside scoops that no no one had ever heard before. That Jesse Marcel Jr. had the private phone number of a well-known individual in Congress. So if he
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got harassed, please call him. That's all in the film.
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So it's exoneration. We're to think that Marcel would would confuse a weather balloon for something
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otherworldly is patently absurd. He was around weather balloons on
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a daily basis. He's the fill, he's the he's a 509 bombing group intelligence
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officer. Again, this guy is really smart, really smart. And over the years, the same story has been promulgated by different witnesses. We show that we have a 10, we have a 10 box series on UFOs, Gil Zimmerman and I, 10 DVDs,
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everything from close
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encounters of the first, second, third, and fourth kind, catamutilations,
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abductions, two films on Roswell, crop circles. Finally, what is the truth?
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For the only
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Christian ministry to do a deep dive like that. And we believe
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that Roswell was a deliberate crash. How do we know that? Well, I've I've been promulgating that theory for years. However, in the film, Age of Disclosure, they have a physicist that comes on
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the record and states, looks right at the
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camera and says, Some of these crashes
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are gifts. In other words, he's saying they're
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deliberate.
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They're
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they're they're giving us the stuff. And Jesus wants
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us to be like the days of
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Noah. And I Get it. You read
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the book of Enoch, and it's not part of the canon. Yeah, okay, but she's quoted,
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Jude's quoting it. You don't quote something unless it's part of your wheelhouse. So it's not part of the canon, but we can at least appreciate the book of Enoch's historicity. And in that, there's
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a quid pro quo in
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the book of Enoch, where the fallen angels come down
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and they give technology to early man, albeit
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it's primitive technology, but it's technology, nevertheless. And this is exactly what we see. Jesus warns us we like the days of Noah, the quid pro quo is going
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on. Yeah, just we'll give you the crash craft. Just give us access to
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the to the female population or to the population, so we can do our genetic
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experimentations, so we can create a hybrid race. It's exactly what happened in the days of Noah, and it's exactly what's going on now. The church, for the most part,
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is lethargic, is asleep, won't
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address it. Many of many good
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pastors, wonderful men of God have
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because they
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went through seminary and a
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liberal theology was given to
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them. Many of them are all millennial. There is no literal millennial reign. The entire Catholic Church is all millennial. Go figure. Jesus really isn't going
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to come back. It's not a literal
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thousand years. So thank you, Augustine and the whole crew for creating a Bible, which is all
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allegory,
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and it's not, it's literal.
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He's literally coming back
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the second time. He literally touches his feet touch the Mount of
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Olives, and that literally splits in two. Okay. That's
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not that's not allegory. Well, how's
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that going to happen? Because he's God and God is coming back at
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the end of the tribulation. Jesus, fully man, fully God is coming back.
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So it is the days of Noah. And this is why, if you're if you're a seminarian, you're taught the Sethite theory. You're never taught Genesis 315,
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which is the
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gateway to the entire Bible. If if we don't
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have the proper exegesis to the Genesis 315 narrative, we
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are ignorant to the things to really the entire Bible. And I'll tell you why. Genesis 315, Jesus is in the garden.
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Adam and Eve have just sided
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with the dragon, the dragons
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over here. Jesus says this proclamation to the dragon, your seed, your offspring, your offspring. Your offspring of the dragon. That's right, procreation.
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The fallen angels procreate, will be at war at enmity with the offspring, the
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proto-evangelium of the woman. The proto-evangelium,
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the messiah will crush your head, you'll bruise the seals, the entire Bible. Three chapters later, the flood of Noah. And if you don't have that in your wheelhouse and you get to the flood of Noah, the
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God of the
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Old Testament is
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some maniacal, crazed, murderous God wiping out
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everything, animals, plants, kill them all. That's not who he is. It's a seed war. And and and the fallen angels are there. The sons
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of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful and desired women and took for them wives, and Nephilim around the earth in those days and also afterwards. And that was that was believed
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all through for thousands of years until
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the knucklehead in the fourth century, Julius Africanus invents, just invents the Sethite theory. And then what's his phrase?
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Augustine grabs on to that, and that's now taught
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in the churches, and here it goes, whispered down the lane. So if you're a seminarian, oh, these are
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of a Sethites. But when Jesus speaks about this, and
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he says,
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when I return, it'll be like the days of Noah. Everyone in Earshop knows exactly what he's talking about. Why? Because the
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bones of the Nephilim are openly
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on display in Jerusalem when Jesus is uttering that proclamation. It'll be like the days
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of
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Noah when I return. The Israelites, the Jews who were there in Jerusalem, know exactly what they're talking about. Why? Because Josephus, the first century
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Jewish historian talks about the bones of a Nephilim being openly on display in Jerusalem. They're not in the Temple
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Mount, but I bet
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my last dollar
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that they're on the way
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to the Temple Mount. And so everyone would see him. Hey, Joshua,
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look over
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there. There's the
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bones of a Nephilim.
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Your great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, Joshua conquered. There they are. Look how big they are.
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The bones of a Nephilim. They weren't little six-foot
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guys, the Goliath, a nine-footer. I discovered a
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nine-footer out on Catalina Island. The Candahart giant was 12
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feet tall, but I digress. So the days of Noah, everyone knows what he's talking about. But if you're a seminarian
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in the 20th century, now the
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21st century, no, you're taught
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the Sethite theory. Well, what, LA?
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There is so much to unpack in there. And I've got 50 questions that just came up. And I'm going to have you hold that thought
25:01
right there because now is a good time to take a short break to hear
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place to awaken your heart, soul, and mind to the outlook. Welcome back, everyone. Today is our conversation with L.A. Marzuly to talk about his book, Rungs of Disclosure, Following the Trail of Extraterrestrials and the End Times, the book that will reveal will reveal the truth about the extra-chorestial presence
29:00
on earth and what the biblical perspective is and is
29:04
not about
29:05
this
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phenomenon. But let me tell you just
29:08
a little bit more about our special guest today, L.A. Marzuli. L.A. Marzuli is an author of 14 books. He lectures on UFOs, the Nephilim, the ancient prophetic texts,
29:18
and presenting his exhaustive research at conferences, churches, and all over
29:22
the world. This study of UFOs is not a new phenomenon to him. He's a film producer in one of his segments of the Watchers series is on UFO evidence, and it won the
29:34
UFO Best Film and People's Choice Award of the Year in 2014. LA Marzulli is a frank supernaturalist who lectures on the
29:42
subjects of UFOs, the Nephilim and ancient prophetic texts. He's known
29:45
on platforms for this media all
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over the world. LA, welcome back to the
29:50
show. And I have a place
29:52
I want to start. And
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I have lots of questions. So I
29:57
hope I can get through them. Is why
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has the U.S. government decided to ban and bury all. This information from the 1940s,
30:05
they still call like area was Area 51. It's still, all off ground
30:10
and you can't even go there. They've buried all this information and made it everybody who's researched
30:15
it to be just awful. In fact, I believe you yourself has been threatened a
30:21
couple of
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times for the research that you've done. Why
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is that? Why don't they just say yes or no?
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And they have, multiple presidents have been through all
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of this. This is nothing
30:33
new in our American
30:34
history. Why do they keep it
30:37
buried? Well, it's really interesting. They they've kept it
30:40
buried for decades. And that whole the whole tinfoil hat
30:43
thing, where is it? Thank you, Karen Wilkinson, for procuring it to
30:48
me. So I've got my tinfoil hat on now, and I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist too. But the bottom line is is this that our government has another section of our government, which
30:59
is not accountable
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to anybody. How do we know this? Well, it's been conjecture for years, but now with the congressional hearings, thank you, Anna Paulina Luna, Nancy Mace, and others coming on the record and and challenging and and and basically stating that there is a group of men and women who are not accountable to anything, anybody. They
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are not accountable.
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They are they are not part of the government by the people and
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for the people. No one that I know, no president that I know of has ever been to Area 51, with the exception of Richard Nixon, which is really interesting because Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon were like this, they were really
31:40
close friends. And Gleason, Death Bay Confession Time talks about being taken by Nixon to this place and seeing bodies and craft and all this other stuff. Bob Lazar worked at area
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S4, which is in Area 51, and he saw the craft, and he's never changed his story. He saw the craft, he worked on the propulsion
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system to try to back engineer it. So there are two groups in in our government.
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One that's all military. Nope, the public has no right to
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know this. We keep it down, we
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don't say anything to anybody. But now all
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these whistleblowers are coming out. David Grush was in the
32:18
halls of Congress, whistleblower. Nancy representative Nancy Mace
32:20
is asking him questions. Do we have crash craft in our possession? And Grush
32:26
looks right up at it. He's under oath, and he says, I've
32:30
already talked about that in my news nation
32:32
report. But yes, okay, we
32:34
have crash craft. So Nancy Mace goes, well, do we have the bodies, the
32:39
pilots from these crash craft? David Grosh
32:41
looks right up at her again and says, Yes, we have biologics. And Nancy Mays follows up. Well, are these human biologics or
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non-human biologics? And Grush looks right up at the right up at the camera, right up at
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Nancy Mason goes, non-human biologics. That
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is one of our wrongs on the ladder of disclosure.
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I think it's rung number 15. That's the halls of Congress. It's not George Norrie. I was just on his show
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a couple of weeks ago, talking about all this.
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It's not George Norrie, coast
33:14
to coast, which was
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fringe and conspiracy.
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This is your Congress, my Congress. These are Congressmen and
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Congresswomen, elected officials, these are really smart people. David Grush, real smart guy, real smart
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guy. Commander David Fraver, F18 pilot,
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real smart guy. So this is a whole different deal. And the reason why
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they're leaching it out is because they can't hold it
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down anymore. They want to, but they can't. Why do
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you suppose there's only been one
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craft? Oh, there's way more than one crash. Way more. Oh my gosh. One
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Roswell level crash that's been all
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this conspiracy, all this secrecy, the recovery of all
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these things. If there's been a
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lot more
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crashes, why
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don't we ever hear about anything else? There was a I'll tell you why, because they're on it like white on rice. And when
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there's a crash, they're deployed. And I'll and I'll tell you how I know
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that. Years ago, I was at a conference, and a woman came up to me
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and basically stated that her father was involved in a
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UFO crash retrieval program. And he confided
34:23
in her, but he wouldn't go on the record type of thing. And he said he was part of a program, an elite group of people. When there was a crash, they were immediately dispatched, immediately, and they
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would secure the area, and then the military would go in and retrieve the crash, the craft. And this is, I mean, when
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you look at Steven Spielberg's movie, Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind, it's exactly
34:50
what it is. I mean, it's all he's doing is is showing us on film what reality is. When they when they close the thing off and they all got the gas mask, oh yeah,
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it's a toxic spell, turn around, blah, blah, blah. And the people turn around, they're all freaked out, and
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the guy just takes off his mask. It's a ruse. It's it's it's a canard. The the Kecksburg craft, crash craft in
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Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, same thing. Military comes in, that's the early days. Quadrant off the place, nothing to see here,
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and they take the stuff out. And so there's been a lot
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more than
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one, absolutely a lot more,
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in the halls of Congress. Once again, you have whistleblowers coming forth and telling us that other countries
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have crashed retrieval, crash retrieval programs.
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You've got a physicist, I think it's Dr. Putov. I might be getting that mixed up. He's a
35:44
physicist who comes on the record and tells us that that some of these crashes are gifts to
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us, so we can back engineer them. Was there a quid pro quo by President Eisenhower giving us technology? We'll give you access to the population, days
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of Noah on steroids, right? Days of Noah, the
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daughters
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of men, the it's
36:05
a fallen angels, sons of gods love the daughters of men. Here we are, right back in the same thing, days of Noah. So
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we'll give you, we'll give you the material, just give us access to the population. It's like vampire lore. There
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has to be an agreement. You have to invite them in. They they
36:25
can't, there's certain laws, certain protocols, they're in place. We invited them in. The rest is history.
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The rest is history. So why do
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you believe that the UFO phenomenon is demonic? Is is demonic? Well, let
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me ask you this. Is
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it okay to take a five-year-old
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boy against his parent wishes
36:44
and subject him to very sadistic experimentation sexual in nature, and then implant
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him with a
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metallic object below
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his knee? Is that
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okay? Yes or no? Of course not. There you go. When I'm
36:58
at a UFO conference, which
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I'm not invited
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to anymore, that's totally okay. But I will ask that question rhetorically to the audience. Is anybody in the audience you better explain that? Yeah, drop that. No longer into their conferences. Yeah, does any well it's fine? I mean, it's just they don't like what I have to say because I talk about
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Jesus and
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they don't want
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to hear about
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Jesus, and
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that's okay to their detriment. So is it okay to abduct a five-year-old boy? Of
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course not. Never a hand goes up, Dr. T, never. Never,
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yeah, it's okay to do that. Their ways are
37:37
no, no, no, nobody
37:38
nobody agrees with that. So
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what are we looking at here?
37:43
We're looking at the fallen angels. Sperm is taken from the men, ovum is taken from the women. Some women are impregnated, and in the third month
37:52
of the pregnancy, they are re-obducted, and that
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entity is
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taken from them. How do
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we know this?
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We've got we've got in our
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in our film, it's number four in our 10 box DVD
38:06
set that Gil Zimmerman and
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I produce. It's number number
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four, the abduction phenomena. Two women who were taken multiple times.
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And Angela is chilling, so is Karen. Both of them are just it's gut wrenching. And Angela goes, . I woke up at like two
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or three
38:23
in the morning. I looked out my window. There was a UFO in the front yard, just spinning there, just like this, just
38:31
sitting there. And I said, I said to myself,
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what are you doing here? Like thinking, and
38:37
the answer voice to scull, we're
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here for you. And before she
38:42
could do anything, down she goes to the floor. Next
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thing she's being floated out of her house
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and into the ship. She
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was pregnant. Okay. They saw the heartbeat. She went to the, what's the word I'm looking for? She went
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to the doctor, and they saw the heartbeat in the womb.
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And then after she was taken and they took the fetus from her, no
39:08
heartbeat, no fetal tissue. Karen Wilkinson, same thing. No heartbeat, no
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fetal tissue. Well, are you sure you were pregnant, ma'am? You can talk to
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my OBGYN. Yeah, I
39:18
was
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pregnant. We all saw the
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heartbeat. There it was. And and Dr. T, as a medical doctor, or maybe
39:26
you don't know, and I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but more. More than
39:32
likely you've at least heard rumor. Cow's blood, bovine blood can be recycled to be used in
39:38
a human transfusion. So you
39:40
can't take a cow and stick
39:42
a needle in it and
39:44
transfer the blood. That's not what
39:46
we're saying. But
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bovine blood can be
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used and
39:50
has been used
39:51
in human transfusions. So this brings us to cattle mutilations. Why are the cattle mutilated? Why is all the blood drained? Why is certain
40:00
parts of the animal taken? This
40:02
is conjecture, and it's in our film. Gil Zimmerman, and I had 10 box DVD set, the whole UFO phenomena
40:09
on cattle mutilations. I believe that these entities are creating artificial wombs.
40:13
And so when
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the baby is taken from the mother, the hybrid is taken from the mother at the
40:20
end of the first trimester, third month of pregnancy,
40:24
it's placed in an artificial womb.
40:26
And that's what that's why
40:28
the cattle mutilations. So why do you believe
40:31
that the paradigm is that the this
40:33
has something to do with the Anunnaki? Well, the Anunnaki are that word is being bandied about by the
40:40
new agers, those who believe, Zechariah Sitchin and all of this other stuff. The late
40:45
Dr. Michael Heiser had a had a still does, sitchin is wrong.com, and he takes you through why it's a mistranslation. And with all due respect to Dr. Mike, he could
40:56
be a little severe at times. That's
41:00
all I'll say, but he's not with us anymore. But the Anunnaki are nothing more than the fallen angels
41:07
coming down the earth and and doing what they did in what we read about my genesis six account. It's they're exactly the same. It's just that the Sumerian tablets
41:17
are well before
41:18
we get the Torah, but that doesn't mean that it's the truth, right? And they'll go, well, the Torah, the Bible is written well after the Anunnaki, and the
41:28
Anunnaki are just the fallen angels coming
41:31
down, mixing the seed, just like
41:33
we read about my genesis six account. When you
41:36
get to the end of the book, you talk a lot about this being the great deception, and that at the end and end times it talks a lot in the Bible about
41:47
be not deceived, and even
41:49
the even the elect would be deceived by the deception. Why do you call this whole UFO phenomenon the Great Deception? Well, simply because it is. I mean, this
41:59
is this is the coming Great Deception. Let me just, the the the second Thessalonians chapter, which talks about do not be troubled by word to letter at the day of the Lord is
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coming or gathering to him, gathering to him, the rapture of a church. That day will not happen until the apostasia, till the apostasy, to the falling away happens. So there's three interpretations of that. One would be the falling away is the rapture of a
42:27
church, two would be there's going to be a great apostasy, which
42:32
is what I believe. Three,
42:34
that there's going to be that it's just deals with the Jews, they
42:39
will fall away. So it the matter is cleared up. Thank you, Mondo Gonzalez. We talked about this. When you go to 1 Timothy chapter 4, verse one. The spirit expressly says that in the latter days, many will fall away from
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the faith, giving heed to the doctrine of demons. There you go. That's exactly what we see
42:58
in the new age movement. Thousands
43:01
of people are leaving the faith. Can you imagine? Now it's Congress is already talking about it. Now you have the film Age of
43:09
Disclosure. And and Dan Farrell, I'm trying to get him on my show, sits down with
43:15
Congressman, Congresswoman, Marco Rubio, the
43:17
Secretary of State, Luis Selezonder,
43:18
the head of
43:20
ATIP, advanced advanced identification threat, no advanced threat identification program, right? ATIP, there it is. Christopher Mellon,
43:26
CIA guy, scientists, congressmen, congresswoman, and they all look right at the camera. It's cicado, it goes from one person to another. Bam,
43:34
bam, bam, bam,
43:35
different person each time. We are not alone in the
43:38
universe. We are not alone in the universe.
43:42
We are not alone
43:44
in the universe, and it goes right
43:47
down the line like that, right?
43:49
Different people. What do you do with that? We're being set up. That's another wrong on the ladder of disclosure. So this is the coming Great Deception. This changes everything. If Donald Trump stands up, he's surrounded by his cabinet, the joint chiefs of TAF, and he
44:05
says on a Friday night.
44:07
I have a very important announcement to the American people, but also to the people of the world. We are not alone in
44:15
the universe. We have been visited for hundreds of
44:18
years, if not thousands of years by these visitors.
44:21
We believe that they
44:23
are peaceful, they are
44:24
they have free energy, they're showing us we're going to change the world,
44:29
it's going
44:30
to change everything.
44:31
Blah, blah, blah.
44:32
The Pope stands up and echoes Donald Trump's
44:35
announcement, and then other leaders in Europe. What
44:38
does that do
44:39
to the church? What does that do to your faith? And this is where the great deception comes in. This will change everything. It's a mega
44:48
lever. And many Christians, because they're pastors unknowingly, because they don't know
44:52
the Genesis 35, Genesis
44:54
315 narrative, they're not aware of the prophecies which talk about the
44:58
Great Deception. They don't know Daniel 243. Their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they
45:04
will not cleave
45:05
to them. Who are they? If it's not men, who is it? It's seed, goes
45:11
back to Genesis 3:15, the seed
45:13
war. That's why it's the gateway to
45:16
the biblical prophetic narrative. Jesus warns us will
45:19
be like the
45:20
days of Noah.
45:21
Men think from fearfulness coming upon the earth. Paul admonishes us that Satan comes with all signs of lying wonders. We're here. We're here. Absolutely. The spirit expressly states that in the latter days, where we
45:33
are now, many will depart
45:35
from the faith, giving heed to the doctrines of demons. What's
45:39
the doctrine of
45:40
demons? That Jesus really didn't
45:42
create everything, that we were seated here by
45:45
an advanced race of extraterrestrials who genetically
45:48
manipulated early man, start of the
45:50
world's religions, started the world's civilizations.
45:52
Now at this critical juncture, they're back to usher
45:55
mankind in
45:56
a golden
45:57
age. And
45:58
this is where we are. This was speculation when I came out with the very first book. Nephilim was a novel, Nephilim, the truth is here. 1998 that
46:07
was published. Okay. So
46:09
that's we're coming up on 30 years here, right? But it's here now and it's manifesting now. And your congressman and your congresswoman are talking about it. You said in the
46:19
in the book, you talk about you say that NASA has stated
46:23
that they are
46:24
hiring priests to prepare the people for alien contract. I mean, what would priests
46:29
know about it? And what would they tell us
46:33
to prepare for that? What's the
46:35
what's
46:36
the largest religion on the planet is Catholicism? 1.3
46:41
billion followers. 1.3 billion followers claim to be Catholic.
46:44
That's why the priests in evangelicals, even in the I mean,
46:48
evangelical, so are you? So in our in our sphere, how many denominations even talk about this? Many denominations are first of all a millennial. So there
46:57
isn't we talked about this earlier.
46:59
There is no thousand-year reign of Jesus,
47:02
it's not coming back, nothing to see here. The Calpha
47:05
Church is all millennial. They don't believe
47:08
in the miracles of the Bible. They don't believe that Israel is the
47:13
prophetic time clock. Israel is a prophetic time clock, Amos 9, 14, and 15. No one ever talks about
47:20
that. I will bring back the captives of my people Israel. Check. They will build
47:25
the waste cities and inhabit them, check. They will
47:28
plant vineyards and drink the
47:30
wine from them, check. I will they will also plant gardens and eat the fruit
47:35
for them. Check. I will plant
47:38
them in their land, and
47:39
never again will they be plucked up out of the land
47:43
I have given them. Amos 9, 14, and 15.
47:47
Square that, all you
47:48
people who don't believe that these are
47:50
the
47:51
chosen people, they are the chosen people.
47:53
That doesn't mean we give Israel a blank check. They
47:57
are corrupt as any other nation on the
48:00
planet,
48:00
maybe even more so. Who knows? But they are still the prophetic time clock. And
48:05
get this. If the two
48:07
witnesses that got this Romano Gonzalez, this if the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, guess who
48:13
kills them? The Jews. When they come
48:15
back, the two witnesses, so we don't give Israel this blank check
48:20
here, but
48:20
we do proclaim, I proclaim that Israel
48:23
is God's prophetic
48:24
time clock. Don't think so. Amos 9, 14 and 15. Don't think that they're the real Jews, do your history. There's been a Jewish presence all throughout the
48:34
Middle East ever
48:36
since AD 130 of the Barkashpa revolution. Hitler had no problem figuring out who the Jews were. It's a straw man argument. But I digress as usual. Well, LA, this has been an
48:47
enlightening conversation,
48:48
and we have just a few
48:50
minutes left in our conversation today. What do
48:53
you think the end game is here? The end game is deception. The end game is a global
48:59
government, a one-world religious system, a one-world government, implanting chips.
49:03
And I'm not making this
49:05
up. It's it's in the
49:07
book of Revelation and other passages. There will be a global government, there will be a one-world religion, and that begs
49:14
the question. How do we get to
49:18
a one-world religious system right
49:20
here? The whole UFO phenomena. This is how we get there. Because when they come, when they reveal themselves, they
49:27
will say, We we created
49:28
all life on this planet that contradicts what
49:31
the Bible says in the beginning was a word and word was with God,
49:36
the word was God, he created all things, right? No, he spoke at
49:41
everything in the distance. No,
49:43
we created. Pan Spermia,
49:44
we seated you here. We created all life on this planet. We genetically manipulate early man. We started the world's religion, started the world's civilizations. Now we're here at this critical juncture to usher mankind into
49:56
a golden age. There's your great
49:59
deception. And
50:00
that's what they're going to say.
50:02
How do I know
50:03
that? Because the new agers
50:05
have been banging that drum for decades.
50:08
Very good. Well, where is the best place to get your
50:12
books? Not only the
50:13
rungs of disclosure
50:14
that we've
50:15
been talking about here today, but the rest of your books
50:20
and your documentaries
50:22
and your films. Where's the best place for people to
50:25
go to support you and your work and to get resources to further their their study in this topic? Lamarzuli.com,
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LMarzulli.com. Everything is there. You can still sign up for our great UFO deception conference, Deception2026.com, even though the conference was January 16th and 17th.
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It's virtual, so you can watch it anytime.
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It's 20 bucks,
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10 speakers. So check it out. But LMarzoli.com is your gateway to all of this. There's 32 films and 15 books. Wow. Well, and I'm sure there's
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more to come. And I'm
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sure that we'll see more
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of it
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in the future. So I want to thank you so much
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for being here with us today. Thank you, Dr.
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T.
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This has been absolutely marvelous.
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And it fills all the topics, all
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the all the things that we're looking
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for
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on
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this show is to bring
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you topics and conversations that you may not know anything about. And who would ever have put the UFO phenomenon with biblical perspectives, except through listening to reading and studying the works
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of LA Marzuli. So we have summarized a lot of things here for you then and given you the resources to go to LA Marzuli.com and
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to get his books to support more of the work that he's doing and more of the phenomenal documentaries that he's put together. So I'm really excited that we've been able to do this. And this is we're fast into 2026
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already. This year we've got we've already got
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months of of documentary of of books and documentary filmmakers lined up to
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bring to you to something very different in terms of podcasting to bring you interviews with authors and people that will take you into a a world of things that hopefully that you don't know anything about and you're gonna learn about. So with that, I want to close out today with one of my favorite verses from the Bible. I close all of my podcasts
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with. I've been looking for a different verse to do for
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2026, but I love this
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one so much. I think I'm probably just gonna stick with
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it, which is Romans 12, 12. Rejoice in hope, be patient in
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trouble and be persistent in prayer. Be persistent and be patient
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in trouble because trouble will always come. We're down here
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in Earth School. We're learning
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lessons from a biblical spiritual perspective. Be persistent in prayer
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because God will never let you down. Remember to lean
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into him every single day, and remember to come back here every single day
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53:05
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book, Zero Accountability in a Failed System. How how how the public health vaccines and the law have been corrupted by the pharmaceutical industry, and there is so far zero accountability. You can also find
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my substacks at dr10penny.substack.com and dr tenpenny. I'm sorry, and 10penny walk with god.subsack.com, which is my
53:31
Sunday my Sunday substack. So with that, we want to thank everybody for being here. We'll see
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you here tomorrow or the next
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time on the 10penny files, Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern. Goodbye and
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God
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bless.