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All Things NFL Injuries with Pro Football Doc David Chao · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, presented by Draft Kings. The Crown
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  Speaker 1: is yours. We are an Action Network podcast. I'm Brandon Kravitz,
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  Speaker 1: your host, back at it with the crew, the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Kendra Middleton, em and Abrams stat sound always on the
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  Speaker 1: ready as well. Doctor David Chow, a former team doctor
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, analyzes injuries on Twitter. You've probably seen
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  Speaker 1: his videos before, whether you realize it or not. He's
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  Speaker 1: one of the best in the industry talking about this
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  Speaker 1: violent sport that we love.
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  Speaker 2: He joins us later on in the show, Kendro.
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  Speaker 1: The World Cup Final is set Spain versus Argentina. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed to see my France ticket die
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  Speaker 1: on the vine, but this has to be soccer heaven
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: Actually was cheering for both France and England, so a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a loss for me. I'll give you
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  Speaker 3: my TLDR of the game yesterday. I'm gonna say bad subs.
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  Speaker 3: Was very confused by them. England played not to lose
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  Speaker 3: far too soon. The fact that it happened in Mercedes
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  Speaker 3: Benz was giving twenty eight to three. I never expected
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Pickford to have the game of his life yesterday
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  Speaker 3: and truly be the MVP. But my question for you guys,
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  Speaker 3: is this England national team more like the Toronto Maple
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  Speaker 3: Leaves of soccer or the Buffalo Bills of soccer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not incredible enough to comment on the Toronto Maple
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  Speaker 1: Leaves of soccer, but I do know that Canada has
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  Speaker 1: been failing miserably in the NHL, and you would think
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  Speaker 1: that Canada hockey country would do well. Not that all
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  Speaker 1: of their players are from Canada. It's not like the
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  Speaker 1: national team, but that's how people talk about it. I
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  Speaker 1: think in that way because didn't soccer originate in England.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't they start the sport there? It's their thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I would say, even though I'm not qualified to
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  Speaker 1: comment on this, I'm gonna say Toronto anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's it. I also love you mean little
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  Speaker 3: Mama's little brother. I love him, he's so cute.
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  Speaker 1: We get Lamina mal the up and coming star of
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  Speaker 1: soccer against the Goat and Messi Docky. This is like
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  Speaker 1: this is like Mahomes and Brady meeting in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: That would be the closest comparison I could come up with.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, I thought England was. It was just went
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  Speaker 4: into prevent defense with like a one possession lead for
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  Speaker 4: the entire second half. It was really like we're for
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  Speaker 4: the entire fourth quarter instead of staying aggressive. Their subs
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  Speaker 4: are questionable. I mean, anyone with any knowledge of soccer
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  Speaker 4: could have saw that. I don't know what they were doing,
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  Speaker 4: so yeah, it happens at every sport. England should have
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  Speaker 4: stayed aggressive instead of just trying to let Argentina hit
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  Speaker 4: cross or after cross or with multiple chances and then
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  Speaker 4: it gets tied up and you could just feel it that.
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  Speaker 5: It was it was over inevitable. So yeah, very quiet.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure they're roasting the decision making across the pond
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  Speaker 4: today and yesterday, but it should be a fun final.
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  Speaker 1: Looking at the tickets on stub Hub, if you guys
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to drop forty two thousand. Kendrew, this
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  Speaker 3: You If I got to get a ticket, I would
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  Speaker 3: absolutely drive down there.
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  Speaker 1: However, now coming up the injuries that we need to
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  Speaker 1: By the way, this site helps tremendously in terms of
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  Speaker 1: putting a number to the injuries that we discuss on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast on a weekly basis a huge help to
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  Speaker 1: me in my evaluations and for thousands out there as well.
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  Speaker 1: They have been winning at a rate of fifty six
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  Speaker 1: know how difficult it is to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And this is all thanks.
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  Speaker 1: To their injury based edge from doctor David Chow Pro
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  Speaker 1: Football Doc, and he joins us today on the podcast, Doc,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for taking some time to chat with us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for it.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, thank you very much. Look, I am not a
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  Speaker 7: handicapping gambling expert. You guys do that stuff, Like we
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  Speaker 7: mentioned before it came on. I'm in some fantasy draft,
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  Speaker 7: Scott Fish the only one. I mean, I'm not even
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  Speaker 7: a fantasy expert. I know injuries, and I think the
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  Speaker 7: ideal way to use our stuff is what you do,
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  Speaker 7: which is take your knowledge of what you need and
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  Speaker 7: then fill in the blanks with the injury side and
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  Speaker 7: make the adjustments. And how we've been able to be
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  Speaker 7: successful is I don't handicap anything. We just plug in
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  Speaker 7: the injury scores into the algorithm that Norv Turner helped
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  Speaker 7: us write, et cetera. And yeah, it's probably not as
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  Speaker 7: effective when Patrick Mahomes is out because the world knows
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  Speaker 7: he's out. It doesn't change a thing. But when you're
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  Speaker 7: looking especially at cluster, injuries, D line, O line, other
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  Speaker 7: things impact. That's where the hidden value.
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  Speaker 1: Is within that as well. You're also looking at players
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  Speaker 1: that are playing through injury and then docking them base
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  Speaker 1: and that's something that I think often gets overlooked. We
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  Speaker 1: say that Lamar Jackson is in, but if he's not
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  Speaker 1: in at one hundred percent, you're grading that on the
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  Speaker 1: website as well.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right now?
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  Speaker 7: There's no question that we grade every position, and it's
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  Speaker 7: even if they're playing in a lot of ways, the
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  Speaker 7: ones that are playing are the ones that are more
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  Speaker 7: because look by by Sunday, you know you you know
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  Speaker 7: ninety minutes for the game, you know who's in and out,
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  Speaker 7: and you can make some last minute adjustments, but how
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  Speaker 7: do you know what the guy who's in and what
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  Speaker 7: their health is. And the other thing that we look
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  Speaker 7: at is in a baseball term, we kind of go
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  Speaker 7: with a little bit of a war concept. Ones against replacement.
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  Speaker 7: So look, if it's Patrick Mahomes to the backup, that's
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  Speaker 7: a big drop off, But if it's quarterback one A
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  Speaker 7: to one B or left tackle one A to one B,
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  Speaker 7: that's less of a drop off than a left tackle.
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  Speaker 7: That now O line that now shifts their right tackle
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  Speaker 7: over and if you look at our field views, we
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  Speaker 7: put green, yellow, and red in multiple spots. So literally,
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  Speaker 7: sometimes we've had situations before where the left tackle goes
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  Speaker 7: out and okay, it's a big deal, but it's huge
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  Speaker 7: because the right tackle shifts to left tackle and the
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  Speaker 7: right guard shifts to right tackle, and now you have
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  Speaker 7: a domino effect what's going on? And so that's kind
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  Speaker 7: of some of the analysis that we do.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the biggest name in the game. Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes is attempting to bounce back from a torn ACL
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  Speaker 1: and an LCL he suffered that in Week fifteen last year.
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  Speaker 1: He strikes me as the kind of athlete we saw
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  Speaker 1: him do this through a Super Bowl run a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago, that will play through injury and rehab
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  Speaker 1: quicker than most individuals would. The reports claim that he
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  Speaker 1: should be ready for Week one, but do you see
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  Speaker 1: somebody that just simply rehabs faster than the average player
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  Speaker 1: from injuries like this.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I appreciate the chance to have kind of a
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  Speaker 7: long form answer and hopefully what I say makes some sense.
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  Speaker 7: Return to play is not simple, is not binary, depends
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  Speaker 7: on injuries and let me try and explain it. Do
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  Speaker 7: I believe Patrick Mahomes is a great athlete. Yes, he's
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  Speaker 7: my son's favorite player, which thirteen year old boy doesn't
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  Speaker 7: love Patrick Mahomes. But my point being, he does have
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  Speaker 7: a good injury history. And if you go back a
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  Speaker 7: couple of years ago when he won a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 7: in the high ankle sprain in game against Jacksonville, I
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  Speaker 7: believe he said, look, he's got a high ankle sprain.
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  Speaker 7: Everyone said no way, because he came back into the game.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, no, he did, and then it got revealed
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  Speaker 7: and he played through it. He altered his form. He
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  Speaker 7: throws off platform, and that's one of the things that
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  Speaker 7: we do at Sports Injury Central. And MCL is not
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  Speaker 7: an MCL. First of all, there's different grades, but an
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  Speaker 7: MCL on one player is not the same as another player.
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  Speaker 7: Let's say, you know inside leg, outside leg, you know
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  Speaker 7: which way you can cut, the type of thrower back
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  Speaker 7: leg on a quarterback front leg. It all changes and matters.
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot of customization. Patrick Mahomes has always returned
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  Speaker 7: early from injury. But and he's gumby. He's very flexible, right,
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  Speaker 7: which is some part of his greatness. Gumby is a
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  Speaker 7: turn that probably is dating me. But hopefully you guys
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  Speaker 7: get the Gumby reference.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm old enough to know Gumby. I think
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  Speaker 1: probably is as well.
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  Speaker 7: You right, I mean Hendradino.
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  Speaker 1: Who's who Gumby is? Yesmiliar, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 7: But historically not firsthand?
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  Speaker 3: Right, yes, historically not firsthand to know.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, she knows Gumby. Maybe from Eddie Murphy Saturday y
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  Speaker 7: Night Live Gumby or maybe that's even too dated for
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  Speaker 7: I think that might be too dated.
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  Speaker 2: Doctors.
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  Speaker 3: My parents are My parents are older to have a
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  Speaker 3: kid my age, so all of their references I understand.
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  Speaker 7: So basically that was a shot at me.
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  Speaker 2: My father way older than you.
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  Speaker 7: But it is what it is. The facts are facts.
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  Speaker 7: So but anyways, so with that, he is going to
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  Speaker 7: be but he's still human. Okay. So let me tell
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  Speaker 7: you something about return to play. And this is my
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  Speaker 7: advantage in what I do. Obviously I worked with the NFL.
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  Speaker 7: I dealt with exactly how you handled injuries, hit injuries
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  Speaker 7: from the public, etc. So I'm the former prosecutor that's
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  Speaker 7: now on the other side doing defense work, right, or
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  Speaker 7: the former IRS agent who's now dealing with your taxes?
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  Speaker 7: Right kind of situation? Return to play. Here's the first
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  Speaker 7: thing I would say is multifactorial. It has to be.
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  Speaker 7: Three things have to happen in order to return to play.
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  Speaker 7: Number one is the doctor slash medical staff, the surgeon,
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  Speaker 7: the athletic trainer, the physical therapist. Their combined vote has
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  Speaker 7: to be a yes that they're cleared to play. The
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  Speaker 7: second thing that has to happen no particular order. The
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  Speaker 7: player has to say I want to play. I'm ready
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  Speaker 7: to go. Whether it's the player, whether it's the dad,
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  Speaker 7: whether it's the agent. The collective vote has to be
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  Speaker 7: this makes sense for us. And the final one is
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  Speaker 7: the team has to say, let's go. We want to go.
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  Speaker 7: Let me give you some examples. If the doctor says
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  Speaker 7: you're fine, the team wants you to play, but the
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  Speaker 7: player doesn't have confidence in his ability in what he
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  Speaker 7: can or cannot do. I'm not trying to call anyone out,
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  Speaker 7: but we have examples of that. In the NFL, they
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  Speaker 7: don't play. I mean, well, I've talked about it before,
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  Speaker 7: so let's call it out. John Harbaugh. This year we
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  Speaker 7: were saying it Sports Injury Central. Something's not right. In
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  Speaker 7: the water there. We even talked about how perhaps you know,
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  Speaker 7: he might end up moving on and why do we
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  Speaker 7: say that. Look, John Harbaugh is a great coach. Do
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  Speaker 7: you think there's any chance he didn't actually know how
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  Speaker 7: to handle an injury report and that it was someone
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  Speaker 7: else that messed up that passes by the head coach's
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  Speaker 7: desk before it goes out. He was sending a message
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  Speaker 7: to the world. I think Lamar's ready, but Lamar doesn't
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  Speaker 7: think he's ready, right, That may be a potential case
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  Speaker 7: of that. I don't think that will ever happen with
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  Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes, But I'm just giving you the thing. The
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  Speaker 7: doctor has to say, yes, hey, let's give it some
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  Speaker 7: more time, and then finally the team. So my long
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  Speaker 7: winded answer in Patrick Mahomes is, if Week one were
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  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl guarantee book at Patrick Mahomes would play
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  Speaker 7: and start that game one hundred percent. But it's not
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  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. And his injury, as we think detailed
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  Speaker 7: from the war room the day it happened, that it
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  Speaker 7: was more than just an ACL the LCL. That's why
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  Speaker 7: when news broke on Monday Night Football that he had
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  Speaker 7: surgery the next day, already people were saying, why, we
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  Speaker 7: said it makes sense because of the LCL injury, So
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  Speaker 7: he has an injury that's more complicated. The closest comp
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  Speaker 7: is Carson Wentz from Philadelphia Eagles days when he was
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  Speaker 7: a rookie and Nick Foles led them to the Super
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  Speaker 7: Bowl and Carson Wentz did not return week one. He
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  Speaker 7: returned week five and then developed other injuries. Could Patrick
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  Speaker 7: Mahomes take the field week one one hundred percent? Will
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  Speaker 7: you see him in training camp doing a lot and
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  Speaker 7: fans say, why is he playing one hundred percent? It
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  Speaker 7: is my belief that the doctors will say he's able
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  Speaker 7: to play football wear this brace, but he's not one
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  Speaker 7: hundred percent. Patrick Mahomes will say, let me go, I'm ready,
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  Speaker 7: I'm ready. But the Chiefs will say, you know what,
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  Speaker 7: we can't win the super Bowl in week one. We
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  Speaker 7: can only lose the Super Bowl in Week one. If
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  Speaker 7: we get him injured worse, then our season is sunk.
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  Speaker 7: Could he play from the pocket week one thousand percent?
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  Speaker 7: Could he be somewhat mobile, yes? But will he be
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  Speaker 7: one hundred percent?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 7: And no way. So I don't believe the Chiefs have
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  Speaker 7: made the final decision yet. And you know Brett Veach
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  Speaker 7: will weigh heavily in the decision with Andy Reid, but
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  Speaker 7: I see them being conservative and saying, look, one hundred
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  Speaker 7: percent passing ability, eighty percent running ability. We're not willing
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  Speaker 7: to accept a three percent chance of reinjury to the
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  Speaker 7: knee or another body part that takes us out for
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  Speaker 7: the season. Let's roll with Justin Fields. I think Justin
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  Speaker 7: Fields knows that too, That's why he went there. He's
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  Speaker 7: the Day one starter. We've been saying it for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned that you were around players trying to hide
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  Speaker 3: injuries earlier in your career. How often are significant injury
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  Speaker 3: is realistically being hidden, not just underplayed? And what do
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  Speaker 3: you look for when assessing if someone is potentially actually
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  Speaker 3: injured and not hurt.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'll give you two examples of this. One just
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  Speaker 7: at the top of my head. If you look at
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  Speaker 7: my Twitter at timeline, the header photo is with me
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  Speaker 7: and Philip Rivers and the last game at the RCA Dome.
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  Speaker 7: Because you look at the ceiling, you'll see it. That's
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  Speaker 7: where he tours ACL Now famously he slashed the team.
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  Speaker 7: Now at the time, I never talked to media, so
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  Speaker 7: I never hit anything right Hippa. I didn't personally hide anything,
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  Speaker 7: but the world did not know he tours ACL and
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  Speaker 7: had surgery six days before that AFC Championship game. The
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  Speaker 7: world now knows that. So that's an example where I'm
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  Speaker 7: not calling teams out and calling doctors out and calling
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  Speaker 7: head coaches out. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that it's wrong or illegal. I'm just
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  Speaker 7: telling you that it's done. And I was involved with
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  Speaker 7: it on the other side. So that's probably a very
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  Speaker 7: famous example of it. That's top of mind. Also because
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  Speaker 7: I still chat with Philip pretty regularly. He texted me
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  Speaker 7: one of his players and at Saint Michael's, you know, yesterday,
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  Speaker 7: So we still continue chat. He's all in with football
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  Speaker 7: all like you wouldn't believe, like you would expect. But
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  Speaker 7: another example I'll give you is the most recent last game,
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  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. Ahead of that game, if you remember,
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  Speaker 7: after the AFC Championship game, on my podcast Pro Football
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  Speaker 7: Doc podcast Sports Injury Central podcast, I said, there's no
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  Speaker 7: doubt in my mind that Drake may injured his right
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  Speaker 7: throwing shoulder and it was on this play and how
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  Speaker 7: bad it is remains me determined. Yes, he finished the game.
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  Speaker 7: These were his throws afterwards. But there's no question in
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  Speaker 7: his my mind that he injured his shoulder. What did
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  Speaker 7: coach Rabel, who I love, say, Boston radio started pounding him.
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  Speaker 7: Oh there's some idiot out in California.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a Boston radio girly.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 7: Oh hi. Well at Super Bowl I went on you know,
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  Speaker 7: most of the Boston radio stations at the radio row,
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  Speaker 7: and they seemed accepting. They all hated me. I had friends.
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  Speaker 7: I went to school in the Boston area, and I
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  Speaker 7: had friends calling me up. Oh, they're killing you out here,
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  Speaker 7: you know at who's this idiot saying this? And what
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  Speaker 7: did coach Rabel say? If you go back to his quotes,
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  Speaker 7: if you read it again, now I'm paraphrasing it, but
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  Speaker 7: he says, no, I wouldn't say Drake May is injured.
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  Speaker 7: He didn't say he's not injured, right, I mean, if
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  Speaker 7: you go back and read his word for word quotes.
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  Speaker 7: And then he went on to say, everyone's a little
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  Speaker 7: banged up right now. And what happened that first Wednesday
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  Speaker 7: he was on the injury report for his right throwing shoulder.
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  Speaker 7: So it happens in every team all the time to
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  Speaker 7: different levels. It's part of the NFL and the fabric
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  Speaker 7: of what it is, and we played detective a little
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  Speaker 7: bit by looking at source material of the injuries. Probably
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  Speaker 7: a much more long winded answer than you or your
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  Speaker 7: listener's money.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I want to kind of follow up on that. I
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  Speaker 3: think as fans of most sports, but football in general,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: feels to be an uptick in Achilles injuries in particular.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Do you think that injury rates are higher now than
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: they used to be or are they lower than they
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: used to be? And do you agree with the uptick
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: in Achilles injuries or is it just a one off
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: maybe two off season of this.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Oh well, they the NFL does good long term tracking data,
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: and I think there's a lot of reasons for the
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: increase of injuries. Number one is there's so much media
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: out there, and nowadays when someone is injured, if you're
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: the backup right guard, there's reporting, and it used to
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: not be that way. So we do hear about injuries more.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: And then you have social media. When you have the
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: Broncos linebacker, it's not Broncos. The forty nine Ers linebacker
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: coming off the sideline, Dre Greenlaw and the Super bowltarians achilles,
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: and it's played over and over again, and then you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: when you have stars like George Kittle getting injured, yeah,
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: you hear about it more. But statistically it hasn't been
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: much higher, maybe a tick higher. But here's where it
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: actually makes sense. And people would say, well, it's because
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: the World Cup they installed grass and you know, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: they don't have grass fields, But that's not entirely true.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: Lots of achilles happen on grass versus turfin either way.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: But what is true is that as players get bigger,
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: faster and stronger, your achilles tendon doesn't really get bigger
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: and thicker. Like my achilles tendon isn't that much different
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: than George Kittle's achilles tendon, and George Kittle is a
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: lot bigger. So what you're doing is putting more and
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: more horsepower, more and more torque, more and more payload
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: on the same preus suspension.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Speaking of achilles tendons, I have a cadavers Achilles tendon
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: as my ACLF toor my ACL twice. Both acls have
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: a reconstructed knee, so turn our attention to knees.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I have a couple knee questions. I wanted to ask
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: you first.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: If I had to guess, we probably I wouldn't think
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: we see Tyreek Hill again, just at thirty two, given
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: what he was known for with that devastating of a
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: knee injury. We haven't even seen Tank Dell yet, who
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: had the same injury, missed the whole year. What can
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: we expect from either of them given how devastating those
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: knee injuries are.
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: Well different knee injuries. Of course, Tyreek Hill, I've said
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: all along he's not playing this season. It's a multi
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: ligament injury. But part of where he's not playing this
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: season is why would he? I mean, he's got injury
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: money come in his way. There's no way he's going
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: to earn more money than the injury money come in
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: his way. So there's a practical side of it too.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: And at age thirty two, is this the end of
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: his career? He could come back next year if he
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: wanted to, But will he want to? Right? And you
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: know it's a high bar to return to be Tyreek
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Hill again. That is a devastating knee injury, and we
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: report on immediately Tank Dell, my Scott fish Bowl. I
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: haven't drafted him yet and we're in the fourteenth round, okay,
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: And I don't anticipate drafting him. He's a smaller speed
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: guy who gets open based on separation and burst and
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: change a direction. That's not that's different than if you're
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: a plotting offensive lineman or a tight end blocker who catches,
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: who does a lot of catch and fall down right.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: So yes, And we do have a preseason injury preview
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: that it's about to hit. If you go to siicscore
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: dot com you can sign up for it for free.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: Last year was eighty pages and we go through every
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: team and it's a live document and we talk about
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Tank Dell. We give him a six score for the
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: season in terms of if you were drafting for fantasy
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: or what have you or playing you know, season totals,
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: et cetera. So yeah, I'm kind of in agreement with
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: you on both of those.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: And then two other knees the Raiders, two Raiders defenders.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: You have Max Crosby, which you know, you have the Ravens.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they had buyer's remorse or there
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: was something real there. You have his knee, and then
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Jermal McCoy, who was you know, a first round talent
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: but dropped because of concerns over his knee. What he
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: had of a bone plug in his knee. What are
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: your thoughts on the level of concern for either or
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: both of those players moving forward.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: Well for this season. I certainly have more concern for
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: McCoy than Max Crosby ahead of the draft. You guys
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: are at action, and like I said, I'm not a
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: big handicapper, but I know very well you've got there's
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: lines about where kids are being drafted, and we were
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: all over our podcast instancing Fade that kid he's not
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: being drafted where you think he's going to be drafted
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: because of the knee, and that the plug means there's
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: long term articular cartilage issues. It would be great. I
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: mean it's not impossible that he doesn't play much in
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: his career. I hope he has a career. I don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: know that it will be. It'll certainly be curtailed from
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: where his trajectory was in college based on the bad
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: injury ACL plus right with the articular cartilage damage.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Max Crosby and he's sorry to argue, he's like he's
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: guaranteed to eventually have bad arthritis.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Right, Well, technically he has it today. Okay, you had
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: the surgery because he had damaged to his articular cartilage.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: That's being technical. I'm not saying he's old man arthritis. Yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: but he has damage to his articular cartilage. The Max
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: Crosby thing makes complete sense in this way. I was
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: surprised when he got traded on a Friday, and prior
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: to that, I said, the reason why he may not
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: be getting traded is that technically he would not be
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: able to pass the physical based on the meniscus repair
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: that he had. This is before he was traded. People
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: they were surprised he wasn't traded. He wasn't traded. I said, well,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: any team that trades for him will need to project
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: him to pass the physical. He doesn't pass the physical today,
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: that may be the hindrance. And then I said that
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: on the podcast of Monday and Friday he got traded,
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: and then of course then Monday I said, yeah, that
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: probably means the Ravens have looked at his records and
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: are projecting him to pass the physical, which is why
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: they traded for him. But they will still have to
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: project him to pass the physical. In the end, the
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: curve ball wasn't the projection to pass the physical was.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: You can call it buyer's remorse, but it's the fact
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: that they didn't lie the way that his knee looked
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: long term because of developing arthritis, and some of that
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: may have been unfortunately. Everyone loves Max Crosby for how
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: he played through a good part of the season with
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: the meniscus tare, but the question has to be asked,
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: did he make his knee worse for him long term
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: as a result of that? Right, and how I explained
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: it when it happened is number one. I said. Everyone's like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: the Ravens are going to be fine. It's like, no,
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: they're not. They're within their rights to say no. Here's
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: the best analogy I can give you when you buy
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: a home or sell a home. When you're a buyer
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: of a home, the recipient of Max Crosby, you're buying him,
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: you have an inspection contingency for ten days, fourteen days,
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: and you get a physical. The roof doesn't have to
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: leak for you to fall out of escrow. You can
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: just say the roof is older than I thought it was,
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: and you can fall out of escrow. And that's essentially
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: what happened Max Crosby fell out of saw. Now did
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: part of it mean that if we're going to give
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: up these assets and pay Crosby this much, but he's
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: only this much better than choice number two, the house
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: across the street, which now has been discounted. There's maybe
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: a component of that, but what the Ravens did is
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: one hundred percent within the rules and within their rights
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: and prerogative. Like it or not.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: A couple of other players that we want to hit on,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but I want to give you an opportunity. Doc is,
• 26:32
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• 26:38
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• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Would you like to tell the people what you have
• 26:44
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• 26:47
  Speaker 7: Well, look, we have reluctantly been in the picks business
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: because we've been successful since exception against closing lines fifty
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: six and a half percent. It's been documented we'd do
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: it off of injury. So we're excited to announce that
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: we're expanding that prep platform. It's still an injuries based platform,
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: but we're partnering with what one could argue was one
• 27:13
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• 27:20
  Speaker 7: He will be joining our site and Steve is still
• 27:25
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• 27:29
  Speaker 7: his brain power looking at everything. But he is absolutely
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: has been over time incorporating our injury information. This last season,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: he joined us on a halftime show that was shown
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: on sports Cred, etc. And we put out live picks
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: at halftime with Steve Feesick, and we have at tracked publicly.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: We hit at seventy percent this year taking first half
• 27:53
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• 27:57
  Speaker 7: that's what we're trying to do with some of the
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: stuff with Steve. So we're very, very excited to have
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: someone with the stature of Steve Fezick joining on our site.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: And we hope to even make Steve a little better
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: with our injury information. But it's hard to make Steve
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: much better. He's sort of been always the contest and
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: handicapped guru for a long time.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had a lot of success, wildly entertaining as well.
• 28:22
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• 28:25
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  Speaker 2: The Code Action. So let's get back to the players.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Doc green Bay seems to be slow playing the Micah
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Parsons timeline. He got injured around the same time as
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. It's tracking like Mahomes as we discussed, there's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a chance that he's ready for week on. The Packers
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: seem like they're not anywhere close to that with Micah Parsons.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So what's the difference with their injuries and the way
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that they're being handled with the teams.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: Well, let me just give you this one. It's the
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: same with not to keep harping on Philip Rivers, but
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: Philip Rivers and Aaron Donald. Philip Rivers literally came off
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: his couch to quarterback in the NFL out of shape
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: more LB's and almost beat Seattle in Seattle in his
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: first game back. Aaron Donald is unbelievably great. But Aaron
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: Donald could not come off the couch to do what
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: Philip Rivers did. Now Aaron Donald isn't coming off the couch.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: He's been a workout warrior and he's in great shape,
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: and everyone's seen the videos and whatever, and even then
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: there's a bar to climb, So why do I did
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: I go there? The return for Patrick Mahomes as a
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: quarterback is different than a return for Meek Michaeh Parsons
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: getting around the edge, especially with his left knee depaying
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: what side he lines up. That's why you can't compare
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: the two injuries per se. It's the demands of what
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: it is. If as long as the timing's good, Mahomes
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: can drop back a split seconds late late and still
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: make up for his arm. If Parsons is a split
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: seconds late getting around the edge, he's just a guy
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: or really not that helpful. The demands of the position
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: are so different. I don't think Green Bay's been slow
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: paying it. I think Michael Parsons has been honest about
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: his expectations. We fully expect him to start on pup
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: and we don't expect him to come off pup as
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: soon as he's eligible. I think it's mid to late
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: season before he returns and he's ready to go, And
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: that's just the biology of the injury and the downside
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: of having a late season injury. It is what it is,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: and it's hard to be an edge rusher coming off
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: in ACL.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I want to do you a quarterback lightning around what
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: are your health expectations for Daniel Jones, Boonix and Jaden Daniels.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: Daniel Jones Relative optimism for Daniel Jones. Look, he's been
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: a pretty good straight line runner. He's never had a
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: lot of wiggle, but I expect him to be able
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: to play and do well. And we said in the
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: off season because of the Achilles that guaranteed he'd go
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: back to Indy. Why how is a new team going
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: to sign him, have a miss all of off season
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: workouts and have it really work out for the start
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: of the season. Whereas in Indie he's known in the system.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: Everyone knows him, he knows the system and what have you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: It's an easier integration. So I do think he's going
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: to be okay. Bo Nicks, that's a little bit of
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: a mystery injury. I don't see why he couldn't be
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: effective where he.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Was and what was your third one, Jaden Daniels, Well.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Jade and Daniels. Yeah, should be fine. I will say,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: if we're going through all of them, you know, I
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: fully expect Tua to be the starter for Michael Pennix
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: at least for the start of the season as well.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Now, how do you think about that mentioning Penix? You
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: have a situation there where Penix has five season ending
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: injuries in eight years dating back to those college DAEs,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: which is just insane. And then you have Tua who
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: has a history of concussions, and from my understanding, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: think every concussion you get, right, the chances of another
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: one grow exponentially. What is the medical science behind that?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: And like it's just can we just expect that quarterback
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: room to have so much more or so much higher
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: of reinjury risk because of both of their histories?
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: Well, yes and no that you know, first of all,
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: they play a position that is very prone to injury
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: because your eyes are looking downfield in other places and
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: everyone's I'm gonnatch you from all sorts of different places.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: As to if he were to get another concussion, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: I hope he doesn't, it probably wouldn't be a one
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: week sit out. It probably with his first concussion, be
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: a multi week set out. Hopefully he can avoid concussions altogether.
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: Michael Pinnox has had a number of injuries that are
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: season ending, you know, but I don't like injury prone.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Prone to injury. Yes, let me tell you what the
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: difference is. Prone to injury is a skier that skis
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: down double black diamonds all the time. Injury prone is
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: someone who keeps hurting themselves on green and blue runs, right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: and so I think they're skiing down double black diamonds
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: what they do so when they do get hurt, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: it's not the same injury all the time. Although penn
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: X was a retror of the ACL, I don't call
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: those guys injury prone. I call them prone to injury
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: because of the position that they play. But quarterbacks, if
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: you really take it around the room, I mean over
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: half the quarterbacks every single year don't play all the
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: games due to injury, not due to benching.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: But there's become a point where, like so Panics has
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: had but he's at five season ending injuries multiple acls.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I think there was a couple see towards ACL in
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, right, shoulder in twenty nineteen, who cares towards
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: right ACL again in twenty twenty, separated as other shoulder
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, and then partial tear of the
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: ACL again. Is there a point where you know you
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: have three ACL tears so obviously they only have two
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: knees where just the compounding and that does make you
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: more injury prone because I get.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I you'll get it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: Depends. It depends on what's with the ACL. Are there
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: particular cardilage injuries with it? And what does it mean
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: kind of thing? Yes? Is he quote damage goods?
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: And this is why there's so much attention on good
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: old Jackson Dart. Buddy, you gotta get down. You can't.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: You know, as I always say, if you run as
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: part of your game for a living, and on first
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: down taking chances after you're already fifteen yards down the field,
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: you're gonna get hurt. If it's third and ten and
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: you're trying to get that last yard for the first
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: down and you take a chance, you know, run out
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: of necessity, out of run, out of part of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: routine game, one has more injury risk. And that's what
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: they're trying to get Jackson dart out of and the
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: vast majority of injuries. To be fair, Look, I don't
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: mean this to be a Philip Rivers thing just because
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: maybe I got a roll. Philip Rivers not mobile yet
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: has the longest active quarterback starting streak in the NFL.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: Blah blah blah blah blah player streak. Why he didn't
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: extend plays, he got rid of the ball. The vast
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: majority of injuries come when you extend plays in the NFL.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: And nowadays the whole lot of the quarterbacks, almost all
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: of them are play extenders, right, The true pocket get
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: rid of the balls are not there anymore, and that's
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: why you see more injuries.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I am the best question.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, stuck.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: My last question just kind of in the same vein
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: of injury prone verse prone to injury, you have the
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: one time where I think it might there might be
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: some merit to it is these bigger linemen that have
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: recurring foot issues, and that's because they just have so
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: much weight. Maybe possibly it doesn't heal well, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: they don't let it heal all the way, and it's
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: just because of all the weight that they're bearing. It
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: becomes more difficult. So a guy like Caleb Banks, people
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: had concerns about him because he's hurt. He's had multiple
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: fractures of his metatarsal. So people thought like, look, these
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: guy's like a top ten talent, but I don't want
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to take them. And then the Bike Kings took a
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: lot of people said I don't know if he's going
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: to go in the first round, and he did. How
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: concerned would you be for him? And then just bigger
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: lineman in general, when they have recurring foot injuries.
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  Speaker 7: Well it's a concern. It depends on the foot injury, right,
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: Not all foot injuries are the same. Ahead of the
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  Speaker 7: draft a couple of years ago Houston, everyone thought Houston
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: was taking not Will Anderson, but the guy that went
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  Speaker 7: to the Raiders helped me out on his name. He
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: had a foot injury coming in. Uh the two there
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: were two top linemen that year. Kyry Walker was that no,
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: I'm blanking on his name right now. But the Houston
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  Speaker 7: instead took Will Anderson and look at how that's worked out.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: At Sports Injury Central, we said, if they're anywhere near
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: the same talent, you got to take Will Anderson because
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  Speaker 7: the other guy has the foot injury that and he
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: hasn't done much with the Raiders yet. I'm blanking on
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  Speaker 7: his name.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Tyry Wilson.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: Maybe yes, Tyree Wilson, thank you, Tyr.
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  Speaker 8: Willis just got And if you go back to the
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: draft Nicks, they were saying Tyree was ahead of will
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: will Anderson right and because of the foot, will Anderson
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: was rightfully ahead.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: And we see how that has has worked out. But
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: let me tell you something about injury as well. We
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: talked about the Giants a little bit. I think Cam
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: Scattabow has got to be careful a little bit. He's great,
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: he's awesome, he's a cult hero. He's tough as can be.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: But in my first year in the NFL, here we
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: I go you with age again. You guys remember a
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: guy named Natron Means.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lotron means former Jaguar.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Look look at the no Natron means was unbelievable a
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: great combination of dance skill power. But he took on
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: hits man. He took guys on. So if Natron means ran.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: I saw Natron Means on Monday morning and the dude
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: could barely walk and I was like, what gives with this?
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: He played a great game. Think about it. If a
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: running back has twelve twenty carries, let me ask this question,
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: how many times do you think he gets hit? Take
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: a guess. If he has twenty carries, how many.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Got to bounce off a couple guys? I would say
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  Speaker 1: about thirty five times.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, there might be one or two where you're tripped up,
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: one or two that you follow up. Okay, let's say
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: let's say thirty times. Okay, let's be more conservative by
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: how many different.
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  Speaker 2: Players throughout the course of the game.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, how many different players applied those thirty hits.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say six.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, six, eight, whatever the number is. So forget the
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: fact that he's the target of the hits, and let's
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: say he even delivers some. He's taking thirty blows from
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: six to eight different guys. The six to eight guys
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: are still sore because they hit him two or three
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: times each. But how sore as Natron means? You get
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: my point? Like, that's where you know LT one of
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  Speaker 7: the greatest running backs all the time. By the fortune,
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: you know, he lived to fight another day. If it
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: was fourth down, he stuck his head in there for
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: the extra yard. But it was second down, and does
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: it really make a difference if it's if it's third
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: and six or third and five. I mean, he'd lived
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: to fight another day and that was smart. The team
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: wanted him to do that, So that applies to the
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: injury situation a little bit.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Natron, you know Chris Berman and uh for NFL Prime Time.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: He used to say Natron means business.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: He always had the best nickname, and then other people
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: called him Natron refried means.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Two great nicknames.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: But anyway, Berman's the best obvious and.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: A Natron means bobblehead when I was a kid, so
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I just looked up.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: His years octave. I wasn't alive for half of them.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I am shocked that we're about to wrap this conversation
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and Kendra has not hit doctor David Chow with a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: power plant question. Do I live on an alternate first timeline?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: What is happening?
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Do you have any thoughts towards that? Unfortunately I got
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: patients running up here, but I'll take that question and look,
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: if you guys want me, I'll come on again. Okay,
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: I don't ever mean to catch you guys short kin
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: and a lot of this was my fault. I went
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: long winded on some answers, so my bad, Doc.
• 41:20
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• 41:30
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• 41:32
  Speaker 7: Thanks for let me make the phasic announcement. That is
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: a big We haven't done that, and Gendra, I owe
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: you if you want to get it in or we'll
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: do it next time or what have you?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Just a quick yes or no? Do you think of
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a power plant in San Francisco is truly contributing to injuries?
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: No? Okay? And here's what I'll sell it. First of all,
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: how many Super Bowl trophies of the forty nine ers.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Have quite a few? Ye?
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: How many have been one with the practice field and
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: the power plant being next door? All of them? Okay,
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: my stadium moved there late, all of them?
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, thank you?
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: Is it worth looking into? Sure? Who knows? Is the
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: power pass?
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: I get it all. But the biggest factor is remember
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: all the years that the forty nine ers used to
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: draft scrap heat guys, guys coming off of ACL tears
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: and this that the other as reclamation projects they've been
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: able to because they've been good. So they're looking for
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: the diamond in the rough in the later rounds or
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: or signings. That probably has more to do it with
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: it than the power plant. I don't see the power
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: plant being a huge deal, and said at the time,
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: I'm not a power plant expert, but I don't see
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: a thing. But John Lynch is smart, address it, study it,
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: et cetera.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the forty nine ers.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: They continue to draft and sign older players and players
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: even when draft players with injury history. I mean, just
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: look at this year. You got Mike Evans older hamstring issues.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: They signed Kristen Kirk hamstring issues last year about to
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: be thirty. You look at some of their defenders that
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: they've signed have had injury. So like they've they've had,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: They've gotten a lot.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not playing them, John Lynch, okay yea prone to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: injury doc. Thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Go get to those patients.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: We opened the show with it. Let's close the show
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: with it. Time to plant our flag on the World
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Cup Final.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: Mind the flag and it shut up. I'm trying to
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: plant my flag here.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're really planning your flag in that thick Kendra.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna convince me to put my money on
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Spain or are we going in a different direction here.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I saw your bet and I like it. However, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: do think that there are going to be some goals scored.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I like the over two and a half plus one
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: thirty five over on DraftKings. I don't think there's any
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: way Messy goes out without scoring. I think obviously mul
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: will probably find the back of the net tomorrow and
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: there's got to be a decision maker, assuming it will
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: come late. Like all of Argentina's other goals, I'm going
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: to continue with the trend of them. Over two and
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: a half plus one thirty five.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: First half draw minus one oh five is my favorite bet.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I also like the first half under at plus one
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: thirty eight on DK. I thought about just taking the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: first half under, but I wound up settling on this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: The quality and form of Spain's defense should you would
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: think keep this game nice and tight and low scoring.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: It's a championship match, so those tend to be a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: grind to start, So I'm going to bank on a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: grimy first half.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I think there's a chance.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: We go scoreless in the first half, So I'll take
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the plus one thirty eight on the first half under
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and a first half draw at minus one oh five,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: hoping to hit both. But we can just get away
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: with the first half draw minus one oh five.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Stucky.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Spain to lift the cup. What
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: minus one fifty. They've been the best team all tournament.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: They also showed it was a masterclass on how the
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: opposite what England is, how to handle a lead against
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: a really good, formidable opponent, and what they did against
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: France is completely shutting them down. I mean every match
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: this team gives up absolutely nothing. Argentina has had late
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: escape after late escape. I think their magic runs out here.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: People that I don't know much about soccer, people that
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: do that I trust that I asked. They say it's
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: a bad matchup for Argentina. So I'm going with Spain
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: to lift the cup.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Thing to lift the cup minus one fifty the money
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: line draw or the first half minus one five and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Kendra has the over on two and a half goals.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: You can slam that together over on draft Kings where
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the Crown is Yours That'll do it for today's episode.
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