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Is Heated Rivalry Delicious? w/ Ehhsteph Sandoval-Platt · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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  Delishies, what's up? Grab a plate and feast
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  on the delicious culture. I'm your host, John
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  Francois. And boy, do we have two meals for you
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  this week. One is the big streaming hit that
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  everybody's been talking about, Heated Rivalry,
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  which you can see on HBO Max. And the other,
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  which just ended after nearly a decade, if you
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  can believe it, Stranger Things on Netflix. And
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  I couldn't do this by myself. I had to do this
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  with a good friend of mine is Steph. Do you want
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  me to say just first name or first name and last
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  name? That was fine. I could be one Ardyn, like
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  Estef. I love it. First name basis like Cher,
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  Madonna, Ariana. Like, I love that. I love that.
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  Estef is a great friend of mine from my home
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  state of Connecticut, who I met through her sister,
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  Cassandra, who I mentioned when Cassandra was
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  on with her husband, James, recently that, you
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  know, Cassandra and I, we did theater together
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  at the University of St. Joseph in Connecticut.
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  Cassandra and her husband, James, talked K -Pop
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  Demon Hunters with myself and my former co -host
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  Andrew. So please check out that episode wherever
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  you get your podcasts. Were you on the K -Pop
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  Demon Hunters thing, Steph? I was. It's because
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  of them, because they were like, hey, we want
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  to show you this movie. And my niece, she's like,
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  you've got to watch this movie. So I did. And
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  I was like, oh my god, I really like this. And
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  then I was obsessed with Golden and I used it
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  as my workout. I think I've even made TikToks
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  and stuff with the entirety of the K -Pop Demon
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  Hunters. So I was like... I fell in love. How
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  could you not? It's a great... It's an infectious
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  movie. How many times do you think you've watched
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  it? Do I have to say the honest truth? Please.
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  Within the year that it came out, maybe 30 times?
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  Okay, yeah, that's not bad 75 I think I heard
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  on the podcast she's like 75 I was thinking we're
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  gonna say like 95 just now maybe your niece rope
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  you into it, but Uh, no, no 30 seems generous.
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  I like that. I like that Uh, all right. So yes,
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  so check out that episode for for those of you
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  listening who haven't checked it out yet um,
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  uh steph, I think you and I have known each other
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  for over a decade because I know. Yeah. Cause
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  I remember, uh, our first public collaboration
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  of sorts, you were on a public access television
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  show that I did in, uh, my hometown of West Hartford.
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  I know you were working with a collaborator of
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  yours at the time. I don't know if you want me
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  to mention what you guys were working on. Yeah,
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  Jax, uh, with Chad, that you were our first ever
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  that we were on TV ever. And I, and I remember
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  that was a clothing brand, but it was also much
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  more than that. Right. It was sort of like a
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  lifestyle self help in rich. Schmidt's sort of
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  mindset. Well, what was it? I forgot what it
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  was. It started off as like a clothing brand
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  and but it turned into like a motto. Like, it's
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  kind of like, like you like the freaks like the
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  kind of like The Losers Club, like an it. You
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  know, we were the rejects. And it was actually
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  very heavily inspired by a lot of the pop culture
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  that we liked as kids, me and Chad, especially
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  in our high school. So it ended up turning and
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  integrating into a comic book and turned into
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  School of Rejects. So, and Chad has carried on
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  that legacy. So it's nice to see at least he's
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  still doing it. So... I love that. I love that.
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  And I know that you also were on... a, um, a
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  college radio version of the anything show, I
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  don't know, around 2016, 2017. This was before,
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  uh, it became a podcast for, for those of you
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  listening. And, um, we debated. pineapple on
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  pizza. I know I was for it. You were against
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  it. And then we just had this playful online
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  debating back and forth for quite some time about
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  it. And then I think like we eventually called
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  it a truce. Was it because you tried it and loved
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  it? So I ended up getting bariatric surgery last
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  year. And of course, my taste buds changed. And
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  I told my husband, I was like, you know what?
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  I'm going to try pineapple pizza. I want to see
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  if things have changed. So we bought Domino's
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  pineapple. I was like, let me go with the basic
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  Domino's. Who could do it wrong? So let me try.
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  And I only got pineapple. And I think I just
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  got pineapple. I was like, let me just try with
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  the only thing. that I was telling him was gross
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  on pizza. And I was like, oh no, I really like
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  it. And I think I caught myself on film too.
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  I was like, I really like this. And my husband
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  was like... Are you sure it's disgusting? I was
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  like, no, I failed. I'm like, now I have to like,
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  I literally was like, God damn it, John. So I
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  was like, I have to make a post. He's like, why
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  do you need to make a post? I was like, you don't
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  understand how long this has been going on. So
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  I had to go back in my old Facebook videos and
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  show him the first interview and I still have
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  it on my phone. I was like, it's been a long,
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  ongoing thing. And I tried to do that sea friendship
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  thing between us on Facebook. I was like, oh
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  my God, we have been talking about this. It's
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  a legacy. And when we promote this episode, I
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  have to see if I can find a picture of us during
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  those radio days when we talked about pineapple
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  on pizza. Look, I will concede that when you
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  just in conversation mention the mixture of a
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  sweet citrusy fruit on a sauce cheese thing,
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  it does sound disgusting when you talk about
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  it. It did. It did. But when you taste it, you
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  have so much respect for things that sound disgusting
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  by word. I now feel like it's the right combination
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  of salty and savory. And I was like, oh, wow,
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  this is sweet. I was like, oh, man, like, this
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  really changed my taste buds. Because there's
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  now certain things that I don't like anymore.
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  Now after surgery, so I'm like... This sucks,
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  but in a weird way, you know, it's good. But
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  now we have to talk about the pumpkin and the
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  that's the next battle. I think that's a different
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  discussion. Well, so what did you like before
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  surgery that you now don't like after surgery?
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  Salads or it just doesn't like I used to be a
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  huge wooden top. Like I would I will tell people
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  and I always like get the get the apricot salad,
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  get the steak salad. It's amazing. And now I'm
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  just like. It just doesn't do anything for me.
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  I take off the tomatoes. I used to add extra
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  pickles, extra lettuce. I'm taking off the tomatoes
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  and lettuce off all my stuff. I'm like, it is.
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  OK. Wow. Yeah, it's a whole new realm for me.
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  And this whole year has been like a whole, like,
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  reconnecting with what I can eat and what I cannot
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  and what I like and what I don't, so. And I know
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  you did, like, keep a rivalry. You'll probably
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  try. Look, it's OK. It's OK. I think it makes
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  it makes a much more interesting discussion because
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  this show has been... critically acclaimed and
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  audience acclaimed out the wazoo i'm one of the
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  boring people that's like oh my god i love this
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  show i can't wait for season two art girl okay
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  i will always forever like that was art they're
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  my top tier of that so i'm like i don't know
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  if that could beat it but it just i think the
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  intro i have to finish it because i can't i don't
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  think i i should be judging it so quickly until
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  i finish it but i just You sure you want to?
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  You sure you want to? Because I'm ready to spoil
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  the whole show for you because I knew you didn't
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  want to finish it. I'm not a Swifty and I ended
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  up watching her documentary for my sister and
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  my niece just to understand because I'm not,
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  I will never be a Swifty, but I'm like, just
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  you gotta, you gotta watch this stuff, you gotta
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  listen so you can understand why. I like a few
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  Taylor songs. Definitely don't describe myself
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  as a Swiftie as your sister, Cassandra, who,
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  by the way, was also on the podcast a long time
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  ago to talk about her concert experience during
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  the era's tour. So listen to that if you'd like.
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  But I definitely want to watch that documentary.
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  And if I do, you need to come back so we can
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  talk about it. Yeah, I'm up for it. I hope my
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  sister doesn't. Shoot me for hating on it. Well,
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  you and your sister need to come back on the
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  podcast. How about a joint appearance with you
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  and your sister? I think that would be great.
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  Trying to start sister rivalry now. A great sequel
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  to heated rivalry, but obviously a lot less sexual.
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  So let's just give ourselves and those listening
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  who may not know the basic facts before we get
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  into your opinion about it. According to... IMDB,
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  if you don't know, heater rivalry. It's about
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  two rival hockey stars at the top of their game.
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  They face an unexpected challenge when they develop
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  feelings for each other, which complicates their
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  careers and the sports expectations. It is created
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  by Jacob Tierney. It is based on the Game Changer
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  novel series by Rachel Reed. Were you familiar
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  of this prior? Because I wasn't. I wasn't either.
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  My friend actually told me to read the books.
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  My coworker, she was like, hey, you should read
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  the books instead. I was like, hmm. get into
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  the book better instead of, because what died
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  it down was the actors. I, especially I didn't,
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  I didn't get connections with them. They didn't
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  really wow me. I know, I know. We got, we got
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  to elaborate more on that. Um, but, uh, yeah,
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  anytime someone tells me, Oh my God, read the
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  books. It's so much better than a TV show or
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  a movie. Like my dumb ass ADHD self is just like,
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  Oh God, the time and the attention that I have
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  to spend reading these pages or listening to
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  the audio book. Yeah. I mean, I'm actually trying
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  to read more books this year, and I actually
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  just finished a book, what, two days ago? So
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  it was not bad. So I was like, oh, cool. I can
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  do this. Maybe I can do the Harry Potter run.
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  I've never read the Harry Potters. I've only
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  watched the movies. OK. Well, is Harry Potter
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  the book you read, or is there something else?
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  No, no, no. It's a different. It's called Anna
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  Lee in real life. That's what it's called. What
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  genre? Is it like romance? I think like more
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  like romance, like... You know, like protagonist
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  is plus -size girl and bully, you know, but I
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  was like, oh, this is a great book. It's not
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  bad I was like, let's just start reading more
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  often. I'm a sucker for romance I remember I
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  read it I listened to a romance audiobook as
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  I was on a plane And I knew I couldn't quite
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  sleep comfortably and it was a great experience.
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  I forgot who the author was but romance romance
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  novels I don't sleep on that. I don't sleep on
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  that. Yeah, I like I like the like a little bit
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  of the ranchi i'm starting to to kind of look
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  for those and see See how they do. None of my
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  husband will appreciate it. You might like Game
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  Changer, because I've heard that the Game Changer
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  series, especially Heated Rivalry, fittingly
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  enough, I think the second book in the series,
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  it really, really gets there. So I don't know,
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  to each their own. But yeah, this is a Canadian
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  sports drama. It originally premiered on Canada's
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  version of all our streaming services, which
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  is called Crave. And then I guess it picked up
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  steam there. HBO Max here in the United States
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  was like, oh my God, let's stream this. And the
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  response has been insane. It's been top driver
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  of new subscribers to HBO. Max. It's got a 98
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  % rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, Washington
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  Post, Cosmopolitan, New York Post, et cetera.
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  It's given it all the praise. But going back
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  to you, I remember we were messaging about this,
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  like, oh my God, watch Sheetal Ribery for this
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  episode. And then like, I think four episodes
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  in, because you've gotten up to four out of the
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  six episodes, right? Maybe three. Maybe three.
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  You know what? I blame it half on because I was
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  so stuck on Stranger Things. Like, I was re -watching
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  and plus I was sick. So, when you're sick and
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  drinking medicine and then trying to watch a
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  show and then getting recovered, I don't think
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  I could get... I don't think I gave it my full
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  attention. I think now that I'm getting a little
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  better, I can like concentrate. Maybe that's
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  why I wasn't so engaged into the actors. Maybe
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  it was the flu medicine. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna
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  re -watch it and try it again and be like, let
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  me connect. Because I do think... you should
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  watch it not being super sick. Okay. I had to
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  re -watch Ginger Things myself because I watched
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  it while I was sick. at the movie theaters and
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  putting on a mask. And I had to rewatch it again
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  because I'm so meticulous with details. I like
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  to rewind and then I'll listen. I'll check what
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  song it's playing and I'll check to see what
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  they're saying. And I'm really, I'm so weird.
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  When you, this is interesting. I want to ask
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  if like, when you take medicine for like recovering
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  for the flu, are you like mellow, chilled out,
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  sleepy? It was horrible. I was just like, I was
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  like, they're a fluid up. Like, I was like, um,
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  I think I'm falling asleep. No, I wanna fight
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  the sleep. And then I'd be stuffy nose, coughing,
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  choke laugh. It's like, you're doing all this
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  while watching the show. You're gonna miss something.
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  You know what I mean? You're not really... You're
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  trying your best to, like, concentrate. And then
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  I'd be like, I gotta pause it. My head hurts.
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  And then I went back and I'm like, oh my God.
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  So, you're kind of losing the story a bit. So...
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  Okay. Okay. I have to, I have to, like, really
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  be... Like, my husband knows. If you talk...
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  Get out Don't talk when I'm watching my show,
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  especially Downton Abbey. I'm like don't talk
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  Okay. Okay. So are you looking for something?
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  That's like High stimulating, like, in your face,
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  like, high energy when you are in that sort of
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  cold medicine, mellow state to keep your attention.
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  I guess more of a mellow romance drama is not
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  your cup of tea. I create a zone, you know? We
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  all create a zone. Like, we're in the gym, you're
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  like, put your headphones on. When I watch movies,
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  my husband knows, the lighting has to be very...
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  I even have, like, the sound has to be a certain
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  quality, the bass. Like, I just need to have
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  a... It's my go -to. My husband knows that. I'm
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  a movie. I've watched all types of movies. I
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  go out to movies all day. So our series. Got
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  it. Got it. Okay. So I think despite that, because
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  I was wondering if you were, if you would be
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  so kind to elaborate more on like you saying
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  the show was just okay and the actors were boring
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  you, but it sounds like it's more so because
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  of the state of mind you were when being sick
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  or, or, or, or is it, or, or is a significant
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  amount of it just like your, your true natural
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  opinion? So, I'll say in the beginning of the
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  show, right? And I don't want to spoil anything,
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  but just in the beginning... We're gonna spoil
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  it. Yeah, okay. So, the beginning, the male,
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  the Russian, like I said, I would remember their
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  names. So, the Russian is Ilya Rozenov, played
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  by Connor Story. So, Ilya was very... I guess
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  because I also, like you said, we're into romantics,
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  and he was so dry to me. I was so irritated by
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  his quality of a character in the show. And I'm
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  like, ew, why is he liking this dude? So irritating
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  to me. Like, he annoyed the shit. I was just
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  like, ew, you could do so much better. And I
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  did see that, like, Cat and that, like, Selena,
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  Kyle, Batman thing. Like, they liked it. It was
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  nice. And even just the douchebagness of him
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  trying to flirt with him in his, like, his tone,
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  it was great. I think it's because I see more
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  of the dork effect in my romantic thing than
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  the... The like masculine jock that's like trying
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  to do the douchebag thing and flirt with you.
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  Maybe that's why I didn't connect. Yeah, but
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  I was just so like you could tell even the kid,
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  uh, the other the canadian. Um, yeah, yeah shane.
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  Yeah, he changes seems so Like kind of like pawning
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  at him and just standing there with him and I
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  was oh gosh And it's and it's fitting and it's
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  funny that you say Elia was the boring one because
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  the running joke that Elia basically says to
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  Shane throughout the show is that you're like
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  You're very boring. No, he was born. He was born.
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  I was like Shane go go some you're focused focus
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  You're so focused this kid's distracting. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I guess he's probably a tight ass and making
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  him have fun and stuff like that But yeah, I
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  will say Elia represents sort of this toxic stereotypical
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  masculinity in that. Like, yeah, he's trying
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  to present as this manly macho man who's good
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  at hockey. The actor has a fantastic Russian
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  accent. I don't know if you know, but he's tech.
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  He's tech. No, no, he's Texas born. And if you
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  watch him in interviews, he has a higher pitched
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  standard American voice. So he studied Russian.
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  He put on the accent. It's insane. The transformation.
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  So you have to see Connor's story in interviews.
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  But, um, If you saw boringness in Ilya, maybe
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  that's not so much a bad thing because there
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  are guys that are like, like that sort of thing
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  where it's, it's very standard with them. Like
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  I like, I like sports. I like fucking. I like
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  to put on a deep voice. I like to work out. There's
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  not much substance there other than all that.
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  So I really think that is an interesting take.
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  You know, Ilya is the one that's calling Shane
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  boring. But really Ilya is boring because you
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  can find a hundred million guys like him, but
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  Shane, how many guys are you going to find like
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  Shane and Haki who are very timid and fragile
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  and sweet and fall in love? Shane, probably a
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  lot more interesting than Ilya thinks he is.
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  Maybe also too, I'm looking at it at perspective
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  as a woman, like being like, Oh, I would totally
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  see myself. dating someone like Shay. Or I can
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  see him being like a character. It just felt
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  like Ilya didn't really... His attention span
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  was just like... I wasn't just... I was like,
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  all right, get off the screen. I was like, let's
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  go look for another guy for Shane. I think there
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  was one guy, which I'm not into the show, so
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  if you spoil it, it's fine, but there was one
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  that kept looking in the first episode of him
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  and his relationship with him. I think he was
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  in the same hotel room next door to him. Oh,
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  I see what you're saying. Yeah, one of the fellow
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  hotel players. Oh, it's him. I was like, OK,
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  he could be possibilities. So I don't know if
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  there's anything with him in the show. I was
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  like, damn. Shane Hollander and Ilya Rosanov
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  all the way. I'll just kind of run through my
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  thoughts and I want to just hear what you think
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  of them. If anything pops up, please feel free
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  to chime in. Yeah, of course. Knowing the queer
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  romance that was about to come about, I just
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  loved the way the show started. Like this very
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  serious sports hetero vibe. Like, you know, you
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  have these shots of hockey intensity. Of course
• 17:44
  you have Shy Shane meeting, intimidating Ilya
• 17:47
  outside the hockey rink. You have that scene
• 17:50
  where they're trying to outdo each other, working
• 17:52
  out on that treadmill. So there is enough in
• 17:55
  that first episode where someone who has never
• 17:58
  read the books, who may think that this is a
• 18:00
  standard masculine hockey drama. They may think,
• 18:03
  Oh, I'm just getting something that's like very
• 18:05
  intense and sports and manly and hetero. Um,
• 18:08
  so I can only imagine what they would think when
• 18:10
  they realized that it's like, Oh, it's a, it's
• 18:12
  a really, really, I think a beautiful queer love
• 18:15
  story. Um, I think it might've been, was it in
• 18:20
  the first episode that we saw Shane and Elia
• 18:23
  giving each other the the looks at their crotches
• 18:27
  after they finished working out, they were like...
• 18:30
  Yeah. Yeah. That was the first episode. I was
• 18:33
  like, oh. They're going there. Like, Ilya didn't
• 18:36
  even have headphones on. If I was, I would be
• 18:38
  like, wow. Like, we just did a hardcore... He
• 18:41
  did it raw. He didn't have no music. He was just
• 18:43
  like, I'm just gonna breathe all loudly. Shane
• 18:45
  over here had the little headphones. I was like,
• 18:47
  I don't know how you're doing this with no music.
• 18:49
  Right. And with Ilya... masturbating in the communal
• 18:54
  shower, like, encouraging Shane to look at him
• 18:57
  and partake. That was also the first episode,
• 18:59
  was that it? I thought that was the second episode.
• 19:02
  No, it was the first episode. Yeah. They laid
• 19:06
  it all out on the table. And I believe in the
• 19:10
  first episode as well is where you get their
• 19:12
  first of many hotel room hookups. And I gotta
• 19:17
  be honest... I was like sort of similar to your
• 19:20
  mindset watching the first episode because I
• 19:22
  thought that we were just going to get, Oh, they're
• 19:26
  hetero masking hockey players by day. And then
• 19:30
  by night they have this secret queer love affair.
• 19:33
  They're good. They're playing all these naughty
• 19:35
  sex games with each other. I thought the show
• 19:37
  was going to be about that because all the social
• 19:39
  media buzz made it seem that. And I was going
• 19:42
  to tap out if it was that because I just. don't
• 19:45
  find that to be substantive. But I think it was
• 19:49
  maybe the moment where a bunch of time goes by,
• 19:53
  because my God, I mean, this is like over a stretch
• 19:55
  of like, what, eight years this first season.
• 19:58
  Like you get like six months later and two years
• 20:00
  later and three years later. And there was a
• 20:02
  moment in time where Ilya was going through his
• 20:04
  family issues in Russia. He has a dad that's
• 20:06
  going through dementia, you know. The brother
• 20:08
  that's like. I don't know if his brother is a
• 20:13
  co -cat, but I know there's a conflict there.
• 20:15
  The brother is supposed to be in charge, sort
• 20:20
  of, of taking care of their father, but is not
• 20:22
  quite doing it. And he's constantly asking Ilya
• 20:25
  for money. And of course, Ilya, you put on top
• 20:28
  that Ilya is... uh, queer, he's bisexual, but
• 20:33
  still like the fact that he loves men is a big
• 20:36
  problem in Russia. So there's, there's problems
• 20:38
  with going back home and dealing with that. Um,
• 20:40
  so Ilya is dealing with that. And then I guess
• 20:43
  the pain of all that, not really opening up about
• 20:45
  that. He ghost Shane for a long period of time.
• 20:49
  Shane and him kind of reunite at this award show
• 20:51
  ceremony and Shane is understandably frustrated
• 20:55
  that Ilya is, has ghosted him all this time and
• 20:59
  he confronts him in the bathroom about it. And
• 21:02
  Elia tries to distract from that painful conversation
• 21:05
  by saying, like, oh, you know, what if I suck
• 21:08
  your dick? Would that make anything better? Something
• 21:10
  like that. Something of that nature. And I want
• 21:13
  to kind of, this is where I might be, like, in
• 21:16
  line with your Elia frustration. I kind of want
• 21:18
  to scream and be like, shame. He already frustrated
• 21:22
  me in the first, like, first seconds of the episode.
• 21:24
  I was like, ew. Cause Shane, Shane obviously
• 21:27
  deserves better. You can clearly see Shane falling
• 21:29
  in love with this guy and Ilya and Ilya just
• 21:32
  being like, all right, I'm going to push my feelings
• 21:33
  down. I'm going to do that toxic masculinity
• 21:35
  thing where I'm not really going to confront
• 21:36
  the true difficulties that I'm going through.
• 21:42
  And Shane falls for the sexual game of it in
• 21:46
  the bathroom. So I'm thinking as I'm watching
• 21:50
  that scene, okay, maybe it's just going to be
• 21:51
  more naughty sex game stuff. But then I think
• 21:54
  when they have their sex thing in the hotel room
• 21:57
  after that bathroom moment, that's when we cut
• 21:59
  to them just sitting awkwardly in silence. Like
• 22:03
  looking at their phones or kind of looking away
• 22:07
  because... when all the sex games happen, sure
• 22:12
  they could be fun, but when they stop, what do
• 22:15
  you have left? You have your life, you have the
• 22:18
  pain that you still have to confront. So when
• 22:21
  we got to see more of that, combined with Shane
• 22:24
  and Ilya clearly falling in love with each other
• 22:27
  in their own way, that's when the show became
• 22:30
  very substantive and meaningful to me. So...
• 22:34
  That's great. I don't know. I just, I don't know
• 22:36
  if you had any thoughts about that, but like
• 22:37
  that's, that's when I started to fall for it
• 22:40
  and say, okay, this is not just some stupid 50
• 22:43
  shades of gray esque experience. You didn't like
• 22:45
  50 shades of gray. No, I never watched it, but
• 22:50
  my mom who claims to be a very. devout Christian
• 22:55
  and she's, and you could be Christian and enjoy
• 22:57
  50 Shades of Grey, but like she's one of those
• 23:00
  Christian women that likes to make the appearance
• 23:04
  of like, oh, don't talk about sex. I want to
• 23:06
  just be pure and not have profanity. But then,
• 23:08
  you know, she'll read these books and then I'll
• 23:10
  just be like, what are you doing? Like she'll
• 23:12
  reading these books and she's just like, I just
• 23:14
  want to know how it ends. Leave me alone. Like
• 23:16
  that's what she's like. But anyway, go ahead,
• 23:19
  go ahead. Your thoughts on this and also 50 Shades
• 23:22
  of Grey if you'd like. I think I need to like
• 23:25
  probably because you mentioned stuff and I'm
• 23:27
  like, oh I didn't know they really start to like
• 23:29
  each other and that's because I haven't gotten
• 23:30
  that far so I'm like I I kind of, if that's going
• 23:35
  to be how it's going to be created, because I
• 23:37
  think that's why in the beginning I was like,
• 23:39
  oh, God, is this gonna be like this whole, like,
• 23:41
  I'm gonna hide who I really am, and I'm gonna
• 23:44
  do this and just use this kid. It's not substance,
• 23:46
  but now that you're saying if there's more to
• 23:48
  it, then I'll, like I said, I would like to re
• 23:50
  -watch it and finish it and see where my opinions
• 23:53
  are fully, because right now I can say, just
• 23:56
  with the like two episodes, three episodes that
• 23:58
  I've seen, I'm like, okay, it's, it's okay. Little
• 24:05
  bored I want to give it an opportunity. Like
• 24:08
  I said, I did the same thing with Other shows
• 24:11
  with my sister too, like I'm in 50 shades. I
• 24:13
  was so I was like, oh god This is so stupid because
• 24:16
  I went on a date with someone someone took me
• 24:18
  out on a date to see this movie 50 shades And
• 24:21
  I was just like this is so terrible like this
• 24:25
  isn't I hope this wasn't his idea of like him
• 24:27
  thinking this was romantic I was like or like
• 24:30
  sexually intriguing. I was like, this is so awful.
• 24:33
  This is awful. The idea, so this was a first
• 24:35
  date that someone thought? No, it's probably,
• 24:38
  no, actually second, third or third date. Yeah,
• 24:41
  third date. Did they just think it was a fun
• 24:44
  ironic idea to do that or they really thought?
• 24:47
  This is back in the days when I was just like,
• 24:49
  oh gosh. And then they even got like, I don't
• 24:52
  know if you remember, but those chairs that went
• 24:53
  up in the middle was lifted up. Sort of even
• 24:57
  made it worse. I was like, oh god, this is not
• 24:59
  put put those put the thing down I just feel
• 25:04
  like the the grasp of it being Supposed I didn't
• 25:08
  read the book, but I know it's supposed to be
• 25:09
  very like S &M and very this and I didn't get
• 25:12
  that from the movie. I just got a really annoying
• 25:16
  Actress with terrible bangs Yeah, I liked him
• 25:23
  I felt more of a vibe for him, but the acting
• 25:26
  wasn't it was very dry to me. Like I said, I'm
• 25:29
  I think it's because I've watched older movies
• 25:32
  that, like, kids. Kids feels more raw than Fifty
• 25:35
  Shades of Grey. I've seen the old movie Kids
• 25:37
  with kids in New York and Rosario. Yeah, Rosario
• 25:41
  Dawson. I think that was like her first big movie.
• 25:43
  I feel like that was more raw than Fifty Shades
• 25:45
  of Grey. Yeah, yeah. I'll have to check that
• 25:47
  out. I'll have to check that out. But yeah, Fifty
• 25:53
  Shades of Grey, the book I know has... It's like,
• 25:57
  to me it's like Twilight in the sense of there
• 26:00
  are people who read it and are just obsessed
• 26:04
  and love it and they find it comforting and a
• 26:06
  guilty pleasure. And then there are people who
• 26:09
  say this is an insult to literature. What the
• 26:12
  hell is going on? I am a Twilight person only
• 26:15
  because I think it's just like a guilty pleasure.
• 26:19
  I do like them because at the time I was like,
• 26:22
  I think I was in middle school when that book
• 26:24
  came out or I was in... Elementary was I don't
• 26:26
  know what grade I was because I introduced it
• 26:28
  to my sister And I think I just liked that of
• 26:31
  the story because it had vampires and it had
• 26:33
  that and wolves Because I was a big fan of blood
• 26:36
  and chocolate and that credit is cause I love
• 26:39
  silver kiss I felt like that was the original
• 26:41
  twilight to be honest if we had to be real And
• 26:44
  then they made a movie out of that one and that's
• 26:46
  was they changed the whole story It was terrible
• 26:49
  and then when twilight came and I was like, okay
• 26:50
  cool. Now they finally created a book that actually
• 26:53
  kind of matched it. So I did like the essence
• 26:57
  of Twilight, but I think it cheesed it down when
• 27:00
  they made the movie. Because the book was great
• 27:02
  and it's like moments, but then when the movie
• 27:04
  was made, it became like this pop culture phenomenon.
• 27:07
  And I was like, no. I shouldn't be thinking romantic
• 27:10
  thoughts and there's an eight -year -old loving
• 27:12
  Jacob and Edward and I'm over here like oh god
• 27:14
  no this was probably like my moment of like sexual
• 27:17
  fantasy and there's a little girl like him like
• 27:20
  I don't like it. Yeah I heard Kristen Stewart
• 27:23
  wants to direct sort of like a deep dive into
• 27:26
  Bella Swan's story so that's something that I
• 27:30
  heard from like the Today Show I believe. Is
• 27:32
  she gonna act better? Um, but, uh, going back
• 27:37
  to heated rivalry, I would say it's not entirely
• 27:41
  focused on, on Shane and Elia. There is an episode
• 27:45
  that completely goes and focuses on hockey player
• 27:49
  Scott Hunter. So I know that Elia plays for the
• 27:53
  Boston hockey team. Shane plays for Montreal
• 27:56
  and Scott plays for the New York team. And there
• 27:59
  was an episode that had focused entirely on Scott,
• 28:02
  who's also closeted. And he jogs wherever he's
• 28:08
  playing. And he goes into this smoothie place
• 28:11
  and he meets this man that he finds very handsome
• 28:13
  named Kip, who works at the front desk. Smoothie.
• 28:16
  Yeah. Yeah. Smoothie attendant barista. I have
• 28:19
  no idea what you call Kip, but he's the person
• 28:21
  that's serving smoothies to Scott. They obviously
• 28:24
  have a attraction to each other, by the way,
• 28:26
  they're looking to each other. And Scott being
• 28:29
  the superstitious athlete that he is, but also
• 28:33
  closeted, he's finding a man that he's really
• 28:35
  attracted to. He keeps coming back like every
• 28:38
  day after his jog to get a smoothie from Kip,
• 28:41
  a specific kind of banana blueberry smoothie.
• 28:44
  And it starts to grow into, oh God, I think Scott
• 28:50
  invites Kip to a game and then they... uh, go
• 28:54
  out to some, you know, maybe hockey player celebrity
• 28:58
  events and Scott invites Kip over to his apartment.
• 29:03
  And, uh, yeah, they, they, they do the deed.
• 29:06
  They have, they, they have a very passionate.
• 29:10
  affair and you can tell that it's a very sweet
• 29:13
  love between these two growing, but it's also
• 29:15
  heartbreaking because you're dealing with the
• 29:17
  closeted things. Scott tells Kip that he cannot
• 29:21
  come out for the sake of his career. He would
• 29:23
  have to wait until he retires and you can see
• 29:26
  the pain in Kip's face when he hears that. But
• 29:29
  at the same time, you can also see that he loves
• 29:32
  this person enough to Wait, I'm practically screaming
• 29:35
  at my TV as Steph. I'm just like, no, because
• 29:38
  look, I don't know. Like I, I personally am not
• 29:42
  a gay man. So I don't know, but I would imagine
• 29:45
  that if you are an openly gay man and you are
• 29:49
  choosing to adjust to the lifestyle of a closeted
• 29:52
  man, that's going to be a lot of baggage, right?
• 29:55
  Because you're dealing with someone who is afraid
• 29:58
  to be themselves afraid to show themselves publicly.
• 30:01
  So literally your entire. your love, your relationship
• 30:04
  with this person, it's all nonexistent in the
• 30:07
  eyes of everyone else. And it's just this secret
• 30:10
  that I feel like would just be exhausting to
• 30:13
  maintain every day. I've had so many gay friends
• 30:16
  that I've had experiences in seeing them be the
• 30:20
  secret or be like... And it sucks because you're
• 30:23
  genuinely... taking a piece of them and telling
• 30:25
  them, hey, I want to be secretive. Like, I want
• 30:28
  to hide you. It feels the same way even when
• 30:30
  you're straight, when you're that side chick
• 30:32
  girl and you're like, no, we just want to keep
• 30:33
  you as a secret. Like, I want to make you the
• 30:36
  actual girlfriend. So it's definitely heartbreaking.
• 30:39
  And I didn't even know there was another storyline.
• 30:41
  So now that you told me that, then I might be...
• 30:43
  You're not watching the show because I'm spoiling
• 30:44
  it for you. I might be invested in Kip's relationship
• 30:48
  with this man, but I probably would want to throw
• 30:50
  something at the TV because I hate seeing someone
• 30:53
  be like... Closeted or kept a secret. I don't
• 30:55
  like it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot to
• 30:57
  see So that was definitely one of the most beautiful
• 31:00
  episodes of television I've ever ever seen and
• 31:03
  then we eventually watch it Fine watch it I ruined
• 31:08
  it for you, so you have to be content with that.
• 31:10
  No, because I will be on the feelings, because
• 31:12
  I was appreciating. I like when there's at least
• 31:14
  a moment of some type of, like, you're not, like,
• 31:17
  being a bully or, like, I don't know, like I
• 31:19
  said, that relationship, maybe I'll fall in love
• 31:21
  with it once I watch the show. But if you're
• 31:23
  telling me there's a whole story with actual,
• 31:26
  like, you know what I mean? I just see that relationship.
• 31:29
  Yeah, we eventually get back to Shane and Ilya
• 31:32
  and they take it to the next level where they're
• 31:34
  spending the night with each other for the first
• 31:36
  time and I believe Ilya's place and they have
• 31:40
  this moment while they're having sex in the heat
• 31:42
  of the moment, they refer to each other by their
• 31:45
  first names. Because if you noticed in the sexual
• 31:49
  experiences that you may have seen between them
• 31:50
  in the first half of the season, yeah, yeah.
• 31:54
  What was it? Hollander, Rosen, Hollander, like
• 31:56
  that kind of thing. But once it becomes, oh,
• 31:59
  Shane, oh, Elia, like that's where Shane freaks
• 32:02
  out and leaves and leaves Elia, of course, confused.
• 32:06
  Cause Shane being the one that you can clearly
• 32:09
  see is falling for Ilya, he kind of knows like,
• 32:11
  oh shit, this is getting real and this cannot
• 32:14
  happen. I don't think this will last. So I got
• 32:16
  to like go somewhere and avoid this and not try
• 32:21
  to lean more into this love. And that's where
• 32:24
  he has a beard, so to speak, and this actress
• 32:28
  name. Rose, is it Rose Lang, Rose Landry? Yeah,
• 32:34
  Rose, Rose Landry? Rose Landry. I'm looking at
• 32:39
  my notes. It's okay, I probably don't remember
• 32:41
  Shane and Eli's names, so you're better than
• 32:43
  me. No, no, it's okay, it's okay. So for those
• 32:45
  of you who don't know, a beard is another way
• 32:48
  of saying that there's a gay man who essentially
• 32:53
  gets a female, whether it be a friend or whoever.
• 32:57
  give an appearance in public that this is my
• 32:59
  partner, whether it be girlfriend, wife, as a
• 33:02
  way of further closeting himself. So Shane's
• 33:06
  beard was an actress named Rose Landry. That
• 33:09
  angers Elia, makes him jealous once he sees that
• 33:11
  this is a big public thing because Rose Landry
• 33:13
  in the show is like this big time actress. So
• 33:15
  Shane, I guess to like further hide himself and
• 33:18
  make himself seem like this safe, acceptable,
• 33:20
  hetero man is like, all right, let me cultivate
• 33:22
  this relationship with Rose and hopefully this
• 33:25
  love I have for Elia will just... die down and
• 33:27
  just go away. You know what I mean? Like, Ilya
• 33:29
  can be bisexual. Maybe I can be bisexual. Yeah,
• 33:32
  because I was going to say, did Ilya sleep with
• 33:34
  a girl in some place and just had sex with her
• 33:36
  at the table? From what I remember, an episode,
• 33:38
  she just surprises him and all of a sudden he's...
• 33:41
  That might be his female friend slash complicated
• 33:44
  partner Svletlana from Russia. I was like, wait
• 33:49
  a minute. Yeah, yeah. So Ilya's bisexual. Shane
• 33:52
  is gay. Ilya seems to have this sort of back
• 33:54
  and forth thing going on. But anyway, going back
• 34:00
  to Shane, I mean, uh, between Shane and Rose
• 34:06
  and what appears to be a gay friend of Rose's
• 34:09
  and I think the gay friend dancing. You know
• 34:11
  how it's like this three -way dancing thing where
• 34:13
  it's like, oh, the person's in the middle and
• 34:15
  the two people, the two people are dancing. I
• 34:16
  know the real life one, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:19
  Uh, you're rolling your eyes as if you've done
• 34:21
  those like three -way dances before and - I used
• 34:24
  to have a life before. Me too. Me too. My 20s
• 34:28
  were definitely, Polo was the best place on earth.
• 34:32
  I loved Polo so much, so. That was a nightclub
• 34:35
  or is that a shirt? It was a gay nightclub. I
• 34:38
  was a host there, so it was just the best. I
• 34:41
  think we were just so free. So it was either
• 34:44
  drag queen, me, my friend. It was like a five
• 34:46
  dance. Oh my. Lovely. A lovely dance train? So
• 34:52
  lovely. work out. Yeah, I love that. But like,
• 34:57
  Shane looked uncomfortable looking at the gay
• 35:00
  friend of Rose's behind him. And you kind of
• 35:02
  sense that Shane has this like discomfort on
• 35:04
  this face, like, Oh, this is a reminder of what
• 35:06
  I can't have with Elia. So that happens. And
• 35:09
  then I think like Elia is also at the nightclub
• 35:11
  and he's looking at Shane doing his thing and
• 35:13
  Elia does his thing with, I don't know, Svetlana
• 35:16
  or some other girl he's with trying to make it
• 35:18
  seem like, Oh yeah, okay. You're going to be
• 35:19
  moving on with a girl that you really don't like.
• 35:20
  I'm going to be doing the same thing too. So
• 35:24
  Rose, there eventually has to come to a point
• 35:26
  where Rose and Shane have to come to terms with
• 35:30
  the fact that Shane is gay. Shane's not into
• 35:31
  Rose like that. I loved the way it turned out.
• 35:36
  And again, this is going to be something that
• 35:37
  you may want to watch, but don't even bother
• 35:39
  because I've spoiled it for you. But I thought
• 35:42
  it would be like Rose. catches Shane in the act.
• 35:45
  She's surprised, she's hurt, awkward for Shane,
• 35:47
  yada, yada, yada. But no, like Rose and Shane,
• 35:51
  they go out to dinner after like a failed sexual
• 35:54
  encounter between them the other night. And Rose
• 35:56
  pretty much gets direct that she is suspecting
• 35:59
  that Shane is gay. And Shane is emotionally taking
• 36:04
  that in. He's hesitant. He's not sure what to
• 36:06
  do. But instead of Rose being like I don't know,
• 36:10
  taking it personally, taking it hurt or whatever,
• 36:12
  she just becomes this sweet source of support
• 36:15
  and love and friendship. Like, hey, it's okay.
• 36:19
  And we can be best friends. This is going to
• 36:22
  happen. We're going to be best friends. And call
• 36:23
  me if you need anything. And I don't know, I
• 36:26
  just, I thought the way that they treated that
• 36:27
  moment was great because Rose could have clearly
• 36:29
  been the enemy, but she wasn't. She was like,
• 36:31
  no, I'm loving the fact that this is who you
• 36:34
  are and you can tell me anything. And I got you.
• 36:37
  You want to know something funny? that actually
• 36:40
  happened to me. What? With a friend. I will never
• 36:43
  out him, but I had a friend who I had a crush
• 36:46
  on. Loved him. I fell in love with him. Um, and
• 36:50
  came off very straight, very straight, completely,
• 36:54
  because every other girl was with him, of course,
• 36:55
  when I was with him. And then we went to polo
• 36:58
  for an opportunity, because at work, they're
• 36:59
  like, hey, you guys want to go see a show? And
• 37:01
  a lot of the guys... that I knew at that time
• 37:04
  didn't, weren't comfortable to be at a drag club
• 37:07
  and they were like, oh no. But he was very, he
• 37:09
  was like, yeah, I want to go. And then two other
• 37:11
  ones were like, okay, we'll go. We'll just drink
• 37:13
  and this and that. And I remember we got drunk
• 37:15
  and we kissed and he said he, he was gay and
• 37:18
  he thought I was going to out him in this. And
• 37:20
  we ended up being one of my closest friends and
• 37:24
  probably the best like person to help him. meet
• 37:29
  people and stuff like that and became comfortable
• 37:32
  in his skin. And it was nice. Like I said, I
• 37:34
  think that's awesome. I love that that's a relatable
• 37:37
  thing, because you don't really see that. I know.
• 37:39
  You don't. You don't. It's like conniving, mean
• 37:43
  to hard. You know, it's like a difficult thing.
• 37:45
  I thought in my head, because I've never really
• 37:47
  experienced that, that it would hurt me. But
• 37:49
  it was kind of nice to have a confident and someone
• 37:52
  that he could feel comfortable with. He didn't
• 37:54
  come out. So out of that, he just came out to
• 37:58
  me, which we had to keep a facade for almost
• 38:01
  a year. So I ended up being the girl he hooked
• 38:05
  up with. So I was just like, okay. And people
• 38:09
  assume something, but I was just like, well,
• 38:11
  it's crazy how people just, the brain goes somewhere
• 38:13
  else and I'm just like, aw man. Well, hey, this
• 38:17
  person, everybody has their own journey. And
• 38:19
  I'm so glad that they felt comfortable to confide
• 38:21
  in you. And I'm so glad that you received it
• 38:23
  with love and support and gave it back. So that's...
• 38:26
  So happy for Shane. Happy for Shane that he got
• 38:28
  that on the show. Yeah, with Rose. And there's
• 38:32
  a moment where we see Ilya disappear. He's MIA.
• 38:39
  It's because he has to go to Russia to confront
• 38:41
  the fact that his dad who had dementia... passed
• 38:45
  away. Um, I know, I know. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh,
• 38:49
  there's a moment where him and his brother are,
• 38:52
  are confronting each other about the role of
• 38:55
  Elia and the family. Uh, cause essentially Elia
• 38:58
  is just a bank to his family and not only a bank,
• 39:04
  but it's like, Oh, like he can't even be who
• 39:07
  he truly authentically is in front of his family.
• 39:11
  So, uh, and his brother, by using the F store
• 39:14
  a few times, seems to kind of know who Elia is.
• 39:20
  So yeah, you know, you get a peak moment between
• 39:23
  them where they're about to rip each other's
• 39:25
  heads off and slip, slip, slip. So that Lana
• 39:28
  - We're gonna call her Lana. We're just gonna
• 39:31
  call her Lana. Lana, yeah, Lana, Rush -A -Lana
• 39:33
  is coming between them. Rush -A -Lana is coming
• 39:36
  between them and - Uh, Ilya just says, fuck it.
• 39:40
  I'm going to put a trust in your child's name,
• 39:45
  his brother's child's name, Ilya's niece or nephew.
• 39:49
  Uh, and the trust will be available when the
• 39:51
  child turns 18. And he essentially says to his
• 39:54
  brother, as for you, I'm not going to see your
• 39:57
  ass ever again. I don't want you to talk to me
• 39:58
  ever again. Boom. So then he gets on the phone
• 40:00
  with Shane. He gets on the phone with Shane,
• 40:03
  who I believe is in Canada or whatever. And,
• 40:06
  oh, this, I think this might be the moment where
• 40:07
  Ilya sees Shane in glasses for the first time
• 40:10
  on FaceTime. And he is like, oh, fuck. Like I
• 40:14
  was about to talk to him about something. I was
• 40:15
  like, even me, I was in glasses? What? Yeah.
• 40:17
  Keep the glasses on and it goes off. Literally.
• 40:20
  He says to keep the glasses on, take the gloves
• 40:21
  off. Uh, but no, no, no. They, they get into
• 40:23
  a heart to heart about, well, Ilya vaguely. He
• 40:28
  talks about the pain he's going through. He can't
• 40:30
  really quite put it into English words. Shane
• 40:32
  encourages him to speak it out in Russian because
• 40:35
  Shane won't understand and therefore Elia can
• 40:37
  feel safe and comforting. speaking out anything
• 40:41
  and not having to worry about being rejected
• 40:43
  or judged by Shane. So then you have like this
• 40:46
  entire monologue that Elia delivers in Russian
• 40:49
  to Shane on the phone about how he truly feels
• 40:51
  about his family, his identity and his love for
• 40:54
  Shane. And it just is the sweetest thing that
• 40:56
  made me want to cry. So highly recommend that.
• 41:00
  That's one of my top moments, you know? And I
• 41:02
  wonder if you've ever had that moment where you've
• 41:06
  been so, I don't know, emotionally caught up
• 41:08
  in something that that maybe you just can't quite
• 41:13
  put it into English, if that makes sense? I think
• 41:17
  so. I think that happens a lot. I mean, especially
• 41:19
  when you're married. You're opening up a realm
• 41:21
  of things. You're with someone and you have different
• 41:23
  emotions. So, yeah, of course. Yeah, I think
• 41:25
  there's many a times because my husband is my
• 41:28
  first real love. So there's definitely a bunch
• 41:31
  of emotions that come up from trauma and everything
• 41:34
  else. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah. Uh,
• 41:39
  but, but this is where I was really balling.
• 41:41
  Cause like. Shane and Ilya, they get back on
• 41:44
  the court. They're doing their usual hockey rivaling
• 41:46
  against each other. Shane gets seriously injured
• 41:48
  to the point where it could be like really bad.
• 41:51
  He has to go to the hospital and you see like
• 41:53
  the concerned face of Ilya, but you can also
• 41:56
  see him trying to maintain that public mask of,
• 42:00
  okay, this is not my lover. This is just a rival
• 42:02
  to me. This means nothing. And we cut to the
• 42:05
  scene of Shane being all woozied out on drugs,
• 42:09
  maybe like you were on your flu medicine. And
• 42:13
  I remember my wife, Tony, she's like laughing
• 42:15
  next to me because, you know, appropriately enough
• 42:17
  Shane is funny when he's hopped up on drugs,
• 42:19
  but I'm just like fucking in tears from the moment
• 42:22
  Shane gets injured through the entire loopy comic
• 42:25
  drug scene, because the love really grows between
• 42:28
  them at this point. And just to imagine that
• 42:31
  like, wow, like the love of your life almost
• 42:34
  died and you can't even at least like Put a feel
• 42:39
  expressions. Yeah. Put a hand on their shoulder.
• 42:41
  Like say, are you okay? For fear of like being
• 42:44
  rejected by your players, your career is over.
• 42:47
  Like, I don't know. It just sent me to somewhere
• 42:50
  else emotionally. And, and I was a mess. They
• 42:52
  really got me. Well, I will definitely we definitely
• 42:56
  have to go back to it so that I can finish it
• 42:59
  I'm telling you I'm gonna rewatch it this weekend.
• 43:01
  You're not because I just spoiled everything
• 43:03
  No, because I want to see this I have to see
• 43:06
  it in action. I'm gonna put the right mood of
• 43:08
  the light And now that I know there's good scenes,
• 43:11
  I'm like, all right, I'm ready for the bass to
• 43:13
  be at number seven. And, like, watch it in its
• 43:17
  harmony. If you cry, then I have to watch it.
• 43:20
  Okay, well, are you saying that because I normally
• 43:23
  don't cry? Yes, because, yeah. Trust me, after
• 43:25
  the pineapple debacle, it's... For you to be
• 43:29
  this emotional? Oh, no, we're gonna have to watch
• 43:31
  this. I have to watch it now. No, no, no. I mean,
• 43:33
  when you met me when I was talking pineapple
• 43:35
  on pizza, I was probably a stone cold... Game
• 43:39
  of Thrones. Yeah, you were the Game of Thrones
• 43:42
  killer. Yeah. Yeah, I was a bastard. But there's
• 43:45
  something about getting older where you tend
• 43:48
  to be a little bit more fragile with your emotions.
• 43:51
  And I'm engaging in it and I love it. But that's
• 43:55
  good, though. At least I'm taking your opinion
• 43:57
  and I'm like... You know what, I'll give it an
• 43:58
  opportunity because I definitely, I'm very particular
• 44:03
  with my character, my protagonist. So I'm just
• 44:06
  like, I'm gonna give Eli a little bit of a chance.
• 44:09
  I'm giving him a second chance, giving him an
• 44:10
  opportunity. I'll restart the show. No Theraflue.
• 44:13
  We're gonna see how it goes. Wait, do you want
• 44:18
  me to stop spoiling it seriously? No, no, I'm
• 44:21
  okay. Don't worry. Like remember you can spoil
• 44:23
  it but it's different when you see it yourself
• 44:25
  in your eye like the eye the beauty of the beholder
• 44:27
  That's i'm gonna see it myself in my moment.
• 44:30
  So the eye is the potato of the soul Yeah, there
• 44:32
  you go the potato of the soul And I have a bag
• 44:35
  of chips right next to me. Potato of the soul.
• 44:37
  There we go. I think I meant the apple of my
• 44:38
  eye or the eyes or the window to the soul. I'm
• 44:40
  sorry. I like potato of the soul better. Potatoes,
• 44:43
  Peruvians, it makes sense. So potato of the soul.
• 44:46
  But if you thought you liked Scott Hunter from
• 44:49
  the other episode I mentioned, he has the courage
• 44:53
  to come out publicly when he wins the championship.
• 44:56
  So his New York team wins the championship. And
• 44:58
  you see... Yes, coming out. And you see his undercover
• 45:02
  lover, Kip, politely applauding in the... in
• 45:04
  the crowd because he's used to hiding in the
• 45:07
  shadows as Scott's lover. And Scott decides that
• 45:12
  he's done with hiding because what happens when
• 45:15
  your team is celebrating, everybody's going off
• 45:17
  to their loved ones. And Scott realizes, oh,
• 45:20
  I have no one to hug or to celebrate. And then
• 45:24
  he looks at Kip in the crowd and just says, fuck
• 45:26
  it. Come on down. Let's go. I know any, any,
• 45:32
  any, any engages in a, in a wonderful, sweet
• 45:34
  celebratory kiss with Kip. Of course, uh, Shane
• 45:37
  and Elia are watching this championship from
• 45:39
  home and just like, Oh, what the fuck? This can
• 45:41
  happen? What? And I think in a previous moment
• 45:43
  or a previous episode, Shane had the courage
• 45:47
  to offer Elia to spend the weekend with him at
• 45:50
  like Shane's cottage. And Elia was sitting on
• 45:54
  it hesitantly, understandably. And then once
• 45:56
  Elia saw that moment with Scott and Kip on TV,
• 45:58
  he was just like, fuck it. I'm going to the cottage.
• 46:01
  So that I think leads into the season finale
• 46:05
  where Shane and Elia, they have a romantic, relaxing
• 46:10
  weekend at the cottage. The longest amount of
• 46:13
  time they are spending together as their full
• 46:16
  authentic selves. Yes, it's a private remote
• 46:19
  place, but They're still themselves. They can
• 46:22
  have sex. They can have deep conversation. They
• 46:24
  can have food. They could cuddle by the fire.
• 46:27
  There's a sweet moment where Elia is like very
• 46:30
  startled by the sound of a loon in this Canadian
• 46:34
  forest. So that was sweet. You see this very
• 46:38
  sweet scene where Elia's head is on Shane's lap.
• 46:41
  He's crying and he's admitting to Shane. that
• 46:44
  his mother committed suicide when he was 12.
• 46:49
  And that combined with the relationship that
• 46:51
  he had with his dad, which was not great. I mean,
• 46:52
  you really get more and more of an idea of the
• 46:55
  difficult childhood that Ilya must have had.
• 46:57
  There's a moment where Shane is clearly jealous
• 47:01
  over Ilya considering marrying Svetlana because
• 47:06
  he wants American citizenship. Uh, cause his
• 47:09
  Boston contract is, is up for expiration. Um,
• 47:12
  and then I believe Shane and Ilya, they get together
• 47:15
  in the bed for one of their sex moments and,
• 47:18
  uh, they say, I love you for the first time in
• 47:21
  the heat of the moment. It was great. It's sweet.
• 47:24
  Um, and then they kind of brainstorm how they
• 47:28
  can be together. Shane, I think is the one that
• 47:30
  suggests that Ilya. because Boston and Montreal,
• 47:35
  the teams that they play for, they have such
• 47:37
  a legendary, like intense rivalry. So they think,
• 47:42
  okay, we, one of us has got to stop playing for
• 47:44
  these teams to ease the tension. And the suggestion
• 47:47
  was like Ilya moved to Ottawa and play for their
• 47:50
  team, which is not too far from Shane's Montreal
• 47:52
  team. And then they started cherry together and
• 47:56
  say publicly that like, oh, hey, like, we have
• 47:58
  a lot of respect for each other. This boss of
• 48:00
  Montreal rivalry was silly. And then they retire.
• 48:03
  And then that's, I guess, their plan for gradually
• 48:06
  revealing to the public that they fall in love.
• 48:09
  But going to what we said in the beginning, it's
• 48:12
  still that thing of like, oh, you gotta hide
• 48:15
  who you are. And for how long, you know? Because
• 48:19
  they're young guys. They're young, healthy guys.
• 48:20
  I mean, were they thinking, like, oh, we're just
• 48:23
  going to keep on hiding, keep up the charade
• 48:25
  for another, like, 10 years? Yeah. It's crazy
• 48:28
  that it's in the now, especially since we've
• 48:31
  been watching shows before that are still people
• 48:34
  that are closeted. Like, think of, like, My So
• 48:36
  -called Life, and you see all these shows, and
• 48:38
  then you're seeing shows now that you're like,
• 48:40
  oh, we're still being closeted. Yeah, yeah. Shane
• 48:44
  and Elia. Not as closeted as Shane would prefer
• 48:47
  because of course he was, I think Elia was like,
• 48:49
  oh, like, are you going to tell your parents?
• 48:51
  Are you going to tell your parents? Daddy, Shane's
• 48:54
  daddy had to come to the cottage to get his phone
• 48:57
  charger. You didn't walk into Shane and Elia
• 49:01
  having sex. He was walking in on Shane and Elia
• 49:05
  in bathing suits, kissing. And of course the
• 49:07
  dad was just like, and he turned around and drove
• 49:10
  away. I know. Yeah, yeah, my wife Tony was like,
• 49:13
  oh, no, don't drive away, dad. I get it. Like
• 49:16
  not the immediate response that you would want.
• 49:18
  What about the mom? I know she seemed really
• 49:20
  like, she seems so like, oh, like really diligent
• 49:23
  on his life. I feel like she was overwhelming.
• 49:26
  Yeah. Your mom is certainly like, okay, like
• 49:28
  you're, you're, you're a great hockey player.
• 49:30
  This is how you're going to get success. This
• 49:32
  is what you're going to do. Like she's a very
• 49:34
  planned out, like helicopter -y. Like she's a
• 49:37
  career mom. She's a stage mom for sure. So. Shane
• 49:41
  and Ilya decide to face the music together. Shane
• 49:43
  is just, of course, freaking out. He's just like,
• 49:45
  oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, my dad, like
• 49:46
  this is not what I wanted. My dad just walked
• 49:48
  in on us. Oh my God, oh my God. And he has no
• 49:50
  choice but to confront to his parents that he
• 49:52
  is gay. Ilya is sweet. He offers to go with Shane
• 49:56
  as he's having that conversation with his parents.
• 49:59
  So they get to the parents' cottage and the dad
• 50:02
  did not tell the mom in advance. The dad was
• 50:05
  sweet enough to let Shane tell his story. And
• 50:07
  I think Shane just went, came out with it. like,
• 50:10
  okay, I'm, I'm, I'm gay. And the parents could
• 50:15
  have been very speechless or very unaccepting,
• 50:19
  but they were not. They were... They were supportive?
• 50:23
  They were supportive. I'm shocked, because Mom
• 50:25
  is the one that I was like, damn, she's gonna
• 50:28
  be real... real interesting if she finds out.
• 50:33
  Mom was certainly surprised... Well, of course,
• 50:36
  I think one of the first questions was like oh
• 50:38
  Shane you couldn't find like anyone else in Montreal
• 50:40
  because of course their first thing was like
• 50:42
  the the rivalry between Boston and Montreal like
• 50:44
  you really had to get someone from Boston like
• 50:51
  But then they're thinking like, oh, okay, maybe
• 50:53
  this just recently happened. And then they find
• 50:55
  out that, no, this has been happening because
• 50:57
  the season takes place in the span of like eight
• 51:00
  years. So from like... Yeah, you were saying
• 51:01
  that. I was like, oh. That's what I was gonna
• 51:03
  ask. Is this gonna be a continuation series?
• 51:06
  Is this gonna be like the, is this the final
• 51:07
  and then it's a new book from... So they're coming
• 51:10
  out with season two. And funny, because I thought
• 51:12
  like, because I initially thought that this show
• 51:16
  was just sex, sex, sex, sex, sex. I really thought
• 51:19
  that it deserved to only be a mini series, but
• 51:21
  I'll tell you about like the way the season ends
• 51:24
  because now it makes sense that they'll have
• 51:26
  a season two. So going back to what you thought
• 51:29
  about Shane's mom and how she's just like this
• 51:31
  really like intense, like career focused mom
• 51:34
  on behalf of her son. So the parents are taking
• 51:36
  in all this information. They're of course shocked
• 51:38
  that Shane and Ilya have been having this affair
• 51:41
  in secret for so goddamn long. There's a moment
• 51:44
  where Shane goes outside. uh, with his mother,
• 51:47
  his mother had to step away to get a breath of
• 51:50
  fresh air. And it's a really, really, really
• 51:53
  emotional moment. It made me cry because, uh,
• 51:56
  Shane is telling his mom, I'm, I'm sorry. I'm
• 51:58
  sorry for being different. I'm sorry for being
• 52:00
  this way. And I try so hard to not be different.
• 52:05
  And the mom has the response that I would have
• 52:12
  if I had a gay son, which is I don't care who
• 52:19
  you are. If I'm hurt, I'm only hurt because I
• 52:25
  feel like I created a space where you could not
• 52:27
  tell me sooner. That's where the mom was coming
• 52:29
  from. Like she was very loving and accepting,
• 52:32
  but I think just very, that sort of parental
• 52:38
  guilt of like, God, like what did I do? How did
• 52:42
  I present myself to make my child feel like they
• 52:44
  couldn't come to me and tell me who they are?
• 52:47
  You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when
• 52:49
  they hugged it out and had that moment that that
• 52:52
  really touched me. And then eventually. Yeah,
• 52:55
  go ahead. I'm happy they did that. Usually you
• 52:58
  get, I feel like you always get the parents that
• 53:00
  disapprove of it in every single like series.
• 53:02
  You always get the one that's like. No. There's
• 53:08
  a good chunk, but maybe nowadays you might get
• 53:11
  more... I don't know. I'm thinking of... You
• 53:12
  ever seen the movie called Me By Your Name? Me
• 53:15
  By Your Name? No, no, no. Call Me By Your Name.
• 53:17
  Have you seen the movie with Timothee Chalamet
• 53:19
  and Armie Hammer? No, I haven't seen that. Alleged
• 53:22
  creepy cannibalist Armie Hammer? Oh. No, I haven't
• 53:27
  seen it. I was like, wait, is he the guy that
• 53:28
  literally has been shunned by everyone? Pretty
• 53:31
  much. Yeah. No, I have not seen that. That's
• 53:34
  good to know. Another queer romance movie and
• 53:38
  the actor, God, he's a great actor who I've seen
• 53:41
  in other things like Boardwalk Empire and that
• 53:44
  show with Bryan Cranston, Your Honor, who played
• 53:46
  Timothee Chalamet's father in Call Me By Your
• 53:47
  Name. There's a sweet moment where Timothee Chalamet's
• 53:51
  character essentially comes out to the dad and
• 53:53
  you just find out all along that this dad is
• 53:56
  this very open and sweet and accepting person.
• 53:59
  So. Highly recommend the movie. Highly recommend
• 54:01
  the movie. I don't know if I recommend you watching
• 54:04
  a show that I spoiled to you, like, back and
• 54:07
  forth. I know I'm repeating that. I have a lot
• 54:08
  of friends that like to spoil a lot of movies,
• 54:10
  and they're lucky I'm not saying their names,
• 54:12
  and I still watch it. I'm like, shh. Don't spoil
• 54:15
  it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I still watch
• 54:17
  it anyways, because it's so great. There you
• 54:20
  go. I love that. That's very admirable. Um, and
• 54:23
  just to kind of close things out with heated
• 54:24
  rivalry. So, uh, Shane and Ilya, they, you know,
• 54:27
  they're, they're together with Shane's parents
• 54:29
  at the table and, uh, everybody's trying to sort
• 54:32
  of brainstorm like how Shane and Ilya will take
• 54:34
  the steps to publicly come out. Shane is understandably
• 54:37
  having a panic attack at like, Oh my God, this
• 54:38
  is all happening at once. And Ilya is trying
• 54:41
  to calm them down and saying like, Hey, you're
• 54:43
  my boyfriend. Like we can figure this out. And
• 54:44
  of course, and Shane's just like a boyfriend
• 54:46
  because this is the first time that they've acknowledged
• 54:48
  that. And, uh, yeah. They kind of drive off into
• 54:51
  the sunset, uh, coming from their parents' cottage
• 54:53
  with this sort of newfound optimism. Like, okay,
• 54:56
  like we're in love and this is going to be a
• 54:58
  thing that will be out there. We can figure this
• 55:00
  out. There is hope. And that's what led me to
• 55:03
  say, okay, now I want season two. Now I know
• 55:06
  where this is going to go, because then you get
• 55:07
  this journey of how are they going to get this
• 55:11
  out to the public step by step by step. So, uh,
• 55:14
  yeah, my thoughts on Heated Rivalry, wonderful
• 55:17
  queer romance. Go see it. And Steph, if I haven't
• 55:22
  ruined it for you, sure. Watch it again. If you
• 55:26
  still don't like it, I won't hold it against
• 55:27
  you. It's not for everybody. I'm gonna write
• 55:28
  notes this time. I'm gonna write notes. Because
• 55:30
  I feel like if ever you've said that, all life
• 55:33
  got from the beginning is like they were so tense.
• 55:36
  Maybe that's why too. They're so tense in the
• 55:38
  beginning. Like you could tell like even like...
• 55:41
  their body language. So I wanna see how they
• 55:43
  are with their body language at the end, now
• 55:45
  that you've given me the spoilers. I think it's
• 55:47
  fitting. I think as... I think as hetero -seeming
• 55:51
  guys in hockey who are basically told through
• 55:53
  society that, like, you gotta be this strong
• 55:56
  man and you can't be fractal, you can't be weak,
• 55:58
  you can't be vulnerable. I think it might have
• 56:00
  been intentional that they were just like, all
• 56:02
  right, I'm gonna build up this wall and nobody
• 56:04
  can get through. And then once you gradually
• 56:07
  see them, like, become more vulnerable with each
• 56:09
  other... That's when the show becomes sweet.
• 56:12
  So. I'll definitely promise this weekend. Check
• 56:17
  it out. I'm holding you to it or else I'm going
• 56:19
  to give you the flu. I'll be like, all right,
• 56:21
  I'm starting it now. I'm in the middle. I will
• 56:25
  give you, I will give you a flu 0 .005 fusion.
• 56:31
  Free pass. I'm going to give you a flu fusion
• 56:33
  powder like you don't expect if you don't watch
• 56:37
  this. I will, I promise. I'm committed. I was
• 56:40
  just like, and plus it's been crazy at work.
• 56:42
  So I'm like, I'm committed now. No, I totally
• 56:45
  get what you mean. No worries. No worries. All
• 56:47
  right. So we have that. And then the other big
• 56:50
  event in streaming television was the end of
• 56:53
  Stranger Things, which of course, if you don't
• 56:55
  know, you should know. Created by the Duffer
• 56:57
  Brothers for Netflix. Uh, the synopsis really
• 57:00
  briefly for those who may not know it's set in
• 57:02
  the eighties. It's, uh, on, you know, it's centered
• 57:05
  on residents of the small town of Hawkins, Indiana.
• 57:08
  Uh, after a young girl with psycho kinetic abilities,
• 57:11
  she's named 11. She opens a gateway between earth
• 57:15
  and a hostile alternate dimension known as the
• 57:18
  upside down at a nearby human experimentation
• 57:21
  facility. Uh, we've had quite a run with this
• 57:24
  show because if you remember a staff, the first
• 57:27
  season. came out in July of 2016. Do you remember?
• 57:32
  This was around the time we were having our pineapple
• 57:35
  on pizza debate. It was rejects time. It was
• 57:38
  highly... Stranger Things caused a lot of marketing
• 57:42
  for us for rejects. Chad was heavily inspired
• 57:46
  by the Stranger Things. Really? The pop culture
• 57:50
  and everything. Yeah, our shirts were basically,
• 57:52
  some of them were very heavily inspired by everything
• 57:54
  in that show sometimes. Like... Chad was so like,
• 57:58
  we were in awe of that show. We watched it together
• 58:00
  obsessively. And then for it to end, I was like,
• 58:02
  oh my God, this is the best show ever. It's been
• 58:05
  a long journey. I mean, first of all, the world
• 58:07
  was completely different. Yeah. I mean, well,
• 58:15
  this was a time when we had a normal president,
• 58:16
  so that's one. I don't know. What else happened
• 58:21
  in 2016? I mean, I think, I mean, the TikTok
• 58:24
  wasn't even a thing then. This was pre -pandemic.
• 58:27
  Yeah. Was, uh, 2016 was a very, very different
• 58:32
  reality. And you had the second and third seasons
• 58:34
  come out in 2017 and 2019. The, I'm sorry, the
• 58:38
  second and third, did I say the second and third
• 58:40
  seasons? Oh my God. Now that you said TikTok
• 58:42
  wasn't available. I remember even doing, like,
• 58:44
  I was so excited making waffles levitate in one
• 58:47
  of my promos too. And now that TikTok is... and
• 58:50
  AI has come into play. I'm like, oh my God, I
• 58:52
  was so excited. And if I was to play that video
• 58:54
  now, it'd be garbage. The thing of like Young
• 59:00
  Eleven with the Eggo waffle box, that was a popular
• 59:02
  Halloween costume for I think like 2016 or 2017,
• 59:06
  but... Girls were shaving their heads. They were
• 59:08
  like, that was the style. Like, I think I even,
• 59:11
  I already had it before shaved, but I know that
• 59:13
  was the... That was the it like hairdo. People
• 59:15
  were getting pixie cuts, cutting their hair.
• 59:18
  Oh my God, of course. So you had seasons one,
• 59:20
  two, and three, 2016, 2017, and 2019. The fourth
• 59:24
  season came out in two parts in 2022. And this
• 59:29
  was post like pandemic. Cause I think, I think,
• 59:33
  I think for better or worse, the pandemic pretty
• 59:35
  much ended around like mid to late 2022. Certainly
• 59:40
  by beginning of 2023, it seems like we were not
• 59:42
  talking about COVID the way we talked about it
• 59:44
  in the first couple of years, I could be wrong
• 59:46
  on that. Yeah, 2020. I only know it because that's
• 59:49
  when COVID really hit was when I started my job.
• 59:53
  And that's when everything just went to storm
• 59:56
  and it was in people. So yeah, I definitely know
• 59:59
  that 2020 was the like spring of us being like
• 1:00:03
  incubated. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then
• 1:00:05
  it stopped like 22. Yeah, 22. Yeah. And it was...
• 1:00:10
  I met my wife in June of 2020 and I know that
• 1:00:13
  we... watch Stranger Things. Oh God. We were
• 1:00:18
  definitely watching it like around the time that
• 1:00:19
  the fourth season came out in 2022. So maybe
• 1:00:21
  like 2021 and 2022 where it was when we were
• 1:00:25
  catching up on the first four seasons of the
• 1:00:26
  show, because I remember I tried to watch it
• 1:00:29
  on my own around the time that it was coming
• 1:00:31
  out in the mid to late 2010s. I wasn't getting
• 1:00:33
  into it. Maybe I tried watching it with my now
• 1:00:36
  ex in the state of Iowa where I was living at
• 1:00:38
  the time and I wasn't into it. And then I tried
• 1:00:39
  it again with my now wife, Tony. She was my girlfriend
• 1:00:42
  at the time. And yeah, no, we were hooked. and
• 1:00:45
  then you had like a Hollywood actors and writers
• 1:00:48
  track that was happening in 2023. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  And there was a big pause. Yeah. Oh, that's an
• 1:00:53
  understatement. It took freaking three years
• 1:00:56
  for them to come out with the final season and
• 1:00:58
  they released it in three parts. The finale recently
• 1:01:02
  came out on New Year's Eve and you saw it in
• 1:01:05
  the movie theater? I did. I bought tickets immediately.
• 1:01:09
  I wanted to have that experience with like...
• 1:01:11
  people cheering. I was like, I need that. And
• 1:01:14
  we did it. We watched it New Year's Eve. We celebrated
• 1:01:16
  New Year's Eve at the theaters and we left with
• 1:01:19
  our Uber driver in the snow. So I thought it
• 1:01:21
  was the perfect. I thought me and my husband
• 1:01:23
  are like, this is the perfect ending for New
• 1:01:24
  Year's. Like, this is the best. So I was telling
• 1:01:27
  my wife, Toni, about like, for whatever reason,
• 1:01:30
  how weird it seemed to watch Stranger Things
• 1:01:34
  in a movie theater. Because like, all right,
• 1:01:37
  like you see almost any movie on Netflix and
• 1:01:40
  they could... be played in theaters, but I don't
• 1:01:42
  know. There was just something about the concept
• 1:01:44
  of like, oh no, this is, it's the length of a
• 1:01:46
  movie. The finale was like two hours plus, but
• 1:01:49
  just imagining like, cause you know, the way
• 1:01:53
  a Netflix show starts, it'll have that boom boom.
• 1:01:56
  And then it'll just kind of get right into it.
• 1:01:58
  What was it like that in the movie theater? Did
• 1:01:59
  they have the boom boom Netflix logo? They, they
• 1:02:02
  did. Thankfully. Okay. When I tell you, we did
• 1:02:05
  not expect to be in line for 45 minutes for popcorn.
• 1:02:08
  I'm never in my life. I was like, what the? And
• 1:02:10
  we went early. So we were so nervous, because
• 1:02:12
  I was like, oh no, it's gonna start and I'm gonna
• 1:02:14
  miss it. What if they're gonna do the bump -bump
• 1:02:16
  and that's, you know what I mean? I was like,
• 1:02:18
  so we didn't realize they had previews for that.
• 1:02:21
  So I was like, okay, so we got in exactly when
• 1:02:23
  they did the bump -bump. So we were walking in.
• 1:02:26
  So, but it was also darker. I did realize it
• 1:02:30
  was darker in the theater. It was hard to see
• 1:02:32
  sometimes. I don't know if maybe visually. We
• 1:02:36
  were at the end seats, but it was a darker experience.
• 1:02:39
  I don't know how they released it in the theater
• 1:02:41
  for the quality of it. But when we saw it back
• 1:02:44
  again at home, it seemed a little brighter. So
• 1:02:48
  I don't know the quality of Netflix when they
• 1:02:51
  showed it in theaters. I appreciated the environment,
• 1:02:57
  but not the quality. Okay. So it's not so much
• 1:02:59
  the theater lighting. It was like something about
• 1:03:02
  the screen display. Yeah. I wish they did it
• 1:03:06
  at IMAX or maybe Doby would have been awesome
• 1:03:08
  for the song quality. I think I'm much, me and
• 1:03:11
  my husband were like, should we have watched
• 1:03:12
  it at home? But I did like that at least we got
• 1:03:14
  some cheering, people were clapping, people knew
• 1:03:17
  to laugh at the right parts. Like that was the
• 1:03:19
  exciting part of it all. I think that was fun.
• 1:03:21
  Like I definitely know people clapped and we
• 1:03:24
  did the gaspings at the same time and that was
• 1:03:27
  enjoyable. And I know K -Pop Demon Hunter's another
• 1:03:30
  Netflix thing was also in theaters. I don't know,
• 1:03:33
  the way... Oh, no, that should have been in theaters
• 1:03:37
  release 100%. Wait, with K -Pop Demon Hunters?
• 1:03:41
  Yeah, I was like, I think I balled more in the
• 1:03:45
  theater in K -Pop Demon Hunter in the theater
• 1:03:47
  and like was way like, whoa, this is awesome.
• 1:03:50
  Like this way better in the theater. They should
• 1:03:52
  have released this in the theater first. Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah. But definitely different experience. But
• 1:03:57
  like, yeah, well, K -Pop Demon Hunters should
• 1:03:59
  have been a theater release 100%. Yeah. It's
• 1:04:03
  a Netflix original, so of course they're gonna
• 1:04:04
  give priority to their streaming subscribers.
• 1:04:08
  And I think it was like a simultaneous thing.
• 1:04:10
  Maybe it was both streaming and theater at the
• 1:04:12
  same time, or maybe streaming first and then
• 1:04:14
  theater later. Yeah, they did. They released
• 1:04:15
  it on streaming, but I think you got the opportunity
• 1:04:18
  to watch it in different time slots. at theaters.
• 1:04:23
  My sister saw the same thing, too, but she got
• 1:04:25
  a different time. She's like, oh, yeah, ours
• 1:04:27
  was way better. So I'm like, I don't know maybe
• 1:04:29
  it was the quality in the Plainville AMC that
• 1:04:31
  sucked, or maybe it was better at Cinemark. But
• 1:04:34
  I definitely thought they were going to do Adobe
• 1:04:36
  or something or maybe make it more like IMAX
• 1:04:39
  or something. But no. You're bringing me back.
• 1:04:42
  That Plainville Connecticut AMC, I think. I think
• 1:04:45
  a girl I was involved with shortly before I moved
• 1:04:47
  from Connecticut to Iowa, I think that's where
• 1:04:49
  we saw Get Out. Uh, and 20, this would have been
• 1:04:53
  2017. Yeah. Uh, and of course that Jordan Peele
• 1:04:56
  movie that, that blew up that year. So that was,
• 1:04:59
  that was fantastic to see. I don't know, man.
• 1:05:02
  Especially with like Netflix trying to buy the
• 1:05:06
  fuck out of Warner Brothers. I think they're
• 1:05:08
  still competing with Paramount on that deal.
• 1:05:10
  Cause literally they're trying to buy this. giant
• 1:05:13
  legacy movie studio. And there are some people
• 1:05:16
  concerned about it because Netflix may prioritize
• 1:05:20
  releases on streaming a lot more than theaters.
• 1:05:23
  There was this story kind of circulating around.
• 1:05:25
  I don't know if it's true or not, but alleging
• 1:05:27
  that Netflix would if they owned Warner Brothers
• 1:05:31
  would have movies in theaters for just 17 days
• 1:05:34
  before it became a streaming only thing, which
• 1:05:37
  I guess should be surprising because already
• 1:05:39
  the way it is, it just seems like movies are
• 1:05:40
  in theaters for like two minutes before they're
• 1:05:42
  already released on streaming. But yeah, no,
• 1:05:45
  the stranger things of it all. the idea that
• 1:05:48
  like, oh, this thing that I've been used to seeing
• 1:05:50
  like as a streamer, like to the limitations of
• 1:05:54
  my TV screen or my smartphone, the fact that
• 1:05:56
  it's gotten to a point where you can walk into
• 1:05:59
  a movie theater and see that otherwise intimate
• 1:06:03
  home experience. It's just, I'm trying to process
• 1:06:05
  how I feel about that because I don't know. I
• 1:06:08
  guess I maybe I've always thought that there
• 1:06:10
  was going to be this clear separation between
• 1:06:12
  Uh, like the olden days, like, oh, there's, there's
• 1:06:15
  what you see on TV, whether it be cable or broadcast,
• 1:06:18
  and then there's what you see in the movies.
• 1:06:20
  I thought it would always be like that with streaming,
• 1:06:23
  like, oh, streaming is just something that you
• 1:06:24
  do at home and then movies specifically in the
• 1:06:27
  theater, but now it's all integrated and it's,
• 1:06:30
  it's going to be an interesting future ahead
• 1:06:31
  of us, you know? For a person who's experienced
• 1:06:33
  waiting in line for tickets and seen Titanic
• 1:06:36
  20 times while waiting in line for a ticket.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah, when Titanic came out, I saw Denise Hartford
• 1:06:41
  when it was a movie theater. And I waited in
• 1:06:44
  line those 20 times for tickets. I watched Titanic
• 1:06:46
  20 times because I was a huge fan of the CGI
• 1:06:50
  and all the... I love James Cameron. I do appreciate
• 1:06:53
  it. Like, I'm a huge Avatar fan. I'm more of
• 1:06:55
  the quality of how he films things with... and
• 1:06:58
  his writing skills and everything like that.
• 1:06:59
  So, yeah, I was that person that would... I was
• 1:07:02
  a moviegoer. Me and my sisters are huge moviegoers.
• 1:07:05
  We appreciate that. So, I don't think for me...
• 1:07:07
  it's going to make a difference, because I will
• 1:07:09
  still go to the movie theaters and I will enjoy,
• 1:07:12
  and I will sit there. But I do feel saddened
• 1:07:15
  that that experience is trying to be kind of
• 1:07:18
  taken away, because it's such a great, it's a
• 1:07:21
  great moment to, like, it's like the date night,
• 1:07:23
  it's the family, it's the nostalgic experience.
• 1:07:26
  But I don't know, I hope that they don't, they
• 1:07:30
  don't take away that experience. Cause I know
• 1:07:32
  now people are making their own movie rooms and
• 1:07:34
  they're making their own dens and their... Yeah,
• 1:07:37
  it's like, basically technology streaming, it's
• 1:07:41
  been designed so that you don't have to leave
• 1:07:44
  your house. And when you don't leave your house,
• 1:07:47
  you're restricting... the community that you
• 1:07:50
  could have with a bunch of other people who like
• 1:07:52
  the same thing that you do, particularly horror
• 1:07:54
  movies. Like that's something that it's a great
• 1:07:56
  communal experience. My wife, Tony and I, we,
• 1:07:58
  we saw not too long ago, weapons, which I was
• 1:08:01
  the best horror movie I've seen in quite a long
• 1:08:04
  time. You hear the reactions of other people,
• 1:08:07
  like along with the reactions that we were having,
• 1:08:10
  it's just, it feels great. I had that same experience
• 1:08:12
  with all the Jordan Peele movies and, and so
• 1:08:15
  on and so forth. So. Um, yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:08:17
  I mean, I, I really hope that, okay, if we're
• 1:08:20
  going to be in a world where Netflix owns a fucking
• 1:08:22
  movie studio, uh, to, to try to maintain that,
• 1:08:26
  that purity of the movie theater experience,
• 1:08:28
  I think would be very important because it's
• 1:08:30
  just, there's, there's nothing else like it.
• 1:08:32
  I think too, I was watching even with, uh, you
• 1:08:35
  know, Ryan Cooling doing centers, how he wanted
• 1:08:37
  that specific quality to be seen and that, that,
• 1:08:40
  that millimeter, because... It just, I think
• 1:08:42
  there's an essence to movie watching. That's
• 1:08:45
  the reason why you wanna do, be in the movies.
• 1:08:47
  You watch the editing, you watch the special
• 1:08:50
  effects, you watch this. There's this quality
• 1:08:52
  that you like and that's why you wanna do that.
• 1:08:54
  So I'm like, I hope they don't take that for
• 1:08:56
  that generation that can enjoy it. Because I
• 1:08:59
  know streaming is great and stuff like that,
• 1:09:00
  but there's this like essence of movie watching.
• 1:09:03
  Like I don't have the same experience watching
• 1:09:05
  Avatar, watching it at home. Like I've tried,
• 1:09:08
  I've tried to put light, I've tried to do everything
• 1:09:10
  to give it that like... But you can't get it.
• 1:09:13
  Like when I watch Avatar because my husband's
• 1:09:15
  like, oh, no, we could just watch it because
• 1:09:16
  it's cheaper. I'm like, no, we must watch it
• 1:09:19
  in this quality. Yeah. Yeah. I'm feeling there's
• 1:09:22
  certain things, but not everything. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Absolutely. Avatar, Star Wars. There's just certain
• 1:09:27
  movies where if you don't see it in the theater,
• 1:09:28
  you're silly because there's just something about
• 1:09:30
  that all -encompassing big screen, like loud
• 1:09:34
  volume experience. It really gets you. So as
• 1:09:39
  Stranger Things is now done, I want to get your
• 1:09:41
  thoughts about it. Like I'll just briefly get
• 1:09:43
  my thoughts about it because I think you're a
• 1:09:44
  lot more passionate about it than I am. So basically
• 1:09:47
  Stranger Things is your heated rivalry. I watch
• 1:09:51
  that all the time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like.
• 1:09:54
  For any TV show or movie I go into, Like A Stranger
• 1:09:57
  Things, all I'm looking for is the relationships
• 1:09:59
  between the characters, the examinations of the
• 1:10:02
  characters themselves. That's all I care about.
• 1:10:04
  With Stranger Things, I never really paid much
• 1:10:06
  attention to the supernatural details of it all.
• 1:10:09
  It was just not my cup of tea. But what I was
• 1:10:11
  there for was Eleven and Mike's... the puppy
• 1:10:16
  love romance. I was there for the father daughter
• 1:10:18
  relationship between 11, 11 and Jim Hopper. Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah. Will's coming out journey in that finale.
• 1:10:24
  That was particularly a sweet experience. I'm
• 1:10:26
  there for the love triangle between Jonathan
• 1:10:29
  and Nancy and Steve. Speaking of Steve. Oh my
• 1:10:33
  God. He went from a dick to this very sweet guy
• 1:10:36
  who has a nice friendship with Robin and has
• 1:10:38
  this kind of complicated on and off friendship
• 1:10:41
  with Dustin. Yeah. That really comes to a head
• 1:10:44
  as the show closes out. Jim and Joyce's romance
• 1:10:47
  I love, like, I don't know, just all those relationships,
• 1:10:49
  just seeing how these characters interact with
• 1:10:51
  each other, how they go about the day -to -day
• 1:10:53
  life with each other, while this... otherworldly
• 1:10:56
  thing is happening. That's what's kept me going
• 1:10:58
  for five seasons. And now that Stranger Things
• 1:11:01
  is done, now that clearly this is a show that
• 1:11:03
  meant a lot to you and now it's over, just take
• 1:11:05
  me through the trajectory of like the high points,
• 1:11:08
  the low points of the show for you, like what
• 1:11:10
  it's meant and where we go from here. Okay, let's
• 1:11:13
  see. My personally, my favorite character is
• 1:11:17
  Dustin. I love Dustin. I love his relationship.
• 1:11:21
  With Steve, I love it. I love that you do see,
• 1:11:25
  like, Steve being a douche in the beginning.
• 1:11:27
  He's that typical guy that you see in every 80s
• 1:11:29
  movie, jock. But then I love that at the end
• 1:11:32
  of it, he creates this, like, loving and even
• 1:11:35
  identification for him because I think he was
• 1:11:37
  always incorporated as a jock. And even his,
• 1:11:39
  like, devotion with Nancy and how he creates
• 1:11:42
  it with Jonathan. I love those little tiny...
• 1:11:45
  like, moments with each character that has, like,
• 1:11:48
  their own personal bond. Like, him and Robin,
• 1:11:51
  and then him with, like, even, like, Eleven,
• 1:11:54
  like, because you don't see those moments. And
• 1:11:56
  I even watch interviews. I've been obsessively
• 1:11:58
  watching interviews with him and just talking
• 1:12:00
  about his moments, how he didn't have with certain
• 1:12:03
  actors, but... you felt it behind the scenes.
• 1:12:06
  Eleven too, I think the one emotional scene for
• 1:12:09
  me was the Hopper talking to Eleven at the end.
• 1:12:12
  Or like that moment where he shoots, he's gonna
• 1:12:15
  shoot the bullets and gets messed with them.
• 1:12:18
  But like him saying like, kind of Hopper being
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  like, look, I'm not doing this unless I know
• 1:12:21
  that you're gonna be on page and not gonna kill
• 1:12:24
  yourself basically. And him being like, look,
• 1:12:26
  I get it. You didn't have a childhood. You basically
• 1:12:30
  were being... She was everyone's kind of person.
• 1:12:33
  Like, she didn't get a moment to rest, and I
• 1:12:35
  didn't realize it until that speech, and I'm
• 1:12:37
  like, damn, this girl, she just wants a moment
• 1:12:40
  where someone's like 11, but 11 can do this,
• 1:12:42
  and 11 can do that. 11, 11, 11. I'm like, even
• 1:12:44
  Mike, like, ugh, suffocating. She didn't get
• 1:12:48
  a moment to just enjoy, so I love that that was
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  the I believe. You don't know if it's real or
• 1:12:55
  if it's Mike writing this story in his head,
• 1:12:57
  but I even love that moment where each of them
• 1:13:00
  had such a different dialect, and I believe.
• 1:13:02
  like, such a different experience, because they
• 1:13:04
  brought little things. So, I love that the Duff
• 1:13:07
  Brothers also did this feeling, because I am
• 1:13:11
  an 80s kid, that feeling of Stand By Me, that
• 1:13:14
  feeling of The Breakfast Club, that, like, character
• 1:13:16
  development, that character, like, connection,
• 1:13:19
  the things that you miss in those qualities of
• 1:13:21
  movies, even in Home Alone, Macaulay Culkin,
• 1:13:23
  like, there's so, even the kids, the smaller
• 1:13:26
  generations, like, I was, I think I made a post,
• 1:13:28
  like, there's a comedy. that they brought that,
• 1:13:31
  like, Eddie Murphy, Dan Aykroyd, like, all those
• 1:13:33
  things that I was like, oh, my God, this is the
• 1:13:35
  perfect scene. Like, I didn't care about the
• 1:13:37
  characters. I actually liked the new characters
• 1:13:40
  bringing a dynamic. And I was like, oh, they
• 1:13:42
  did such a beautiful job with just, like, just
• 1:13:44
  the moments and the cutoffs. And I was like,
• 1:13:46
  oh, and Derek, delightful Derek. I loved him.
• 1:13:50
  He was great. I liked the sister also, bringing
• 1:13:54
  her in and how the beginnings of her and the
• 1:13:56
  brother bringing her into it. I just thought
• 1:13:58
  it was great. It did pay a good homage to the
• 1:14:01
  80s. Such a good moment, especially with the
• 1:14:03
  loss of that big director. who did Stand By Me.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah, Rob Reiner, yeah. Yeah, it did such a great
• 1:14:10
  homage in that sense of kind of being respectful
• 1:14:13
  to those characters too. I was like, oh, this
• 1:14:16
  ended perfect. You know what I mean? I think
• 1:14:18
  they did a good job. I know I saw some hate out
• 1:14:20
  there, but I was like, for a person who saw the
• 1:14:23
  show religiously and keeps re -watching it, I'm
• 1:14:26
  just like, oh, they did great. They did great
• 1:14:29
  with the characters and how they developed. Even
• 1:14:32
  Nance, like, you would want to think that she's
• 1:14:34
  gonna pick either Steve or Jonathan. And I think
• 1:14:37
  even at the end, I don't know if anyone caught
• 1:14:38
  it, but, like, there was kind of a respectable
• 1:14:41
  scene between them as the adults. It felt like
• 1:14:44
  reality bites with Winona Ryder and Ethan Hawke.
• 1:14:47
  Oh, fittingly enough, Winona Ryder, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:14:49
  and it's funny, because Robin and her, you know,
• 1:14:51
  her dad is Ethan Hawke and... It just was such
• 1:14:54
  a great moment of them talking about, it just
• 1:14:57
  felt like that 90s vibe too, like that beginning
• 1:14:58
  of the 90s of them being adults. So I was like,
• 1:15:01
  oh man, this feels like, it feels great, relatable.
• 1:15:04
  So it was nice, so. I love that, I love that.
• 1:15:07
  I still have, post Rob Reiner dying, and by the
• 1:15:10
  way, you know, for those of you listening, you
• 1:15:12
  all can see me and my friend Laura talk about
• 1:15:15
  Rob Reiner in an episode that we did not too
• 1:15:16
  long ago. But yeah, stand by me, I still gotta
• 1:15:19
  see that movie. I have not seen it yet. I know.
• 1:15:23
  I've seen When Harry Met Sally. That's one of
• 1:15:26
  my favorites. And that Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson
• 1:15:32
  movie. What is it? Rain Man? No, no, no. That's
• 1:15:35
  Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman. That has nothing
• 1:15:36
  to do with it. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. You said
• 1:15:38
  Tom Cruise and who? Jack Nicholson. You Can't
• 1:15:41
  Handle the Truth. What's that movie called? Oh,
• 1:15:42
  as good as... The one with uh, kevin bacon, right?
• 1:15:46
  Uh, maybe a few good men a few good men. Yes
• 1:15:48
  I was gonna say as good as it gets but that's
• 1:15:49
  like I do have comedy That's a different movie.
• 1:15:52
  Uh, so yes The some of rob reiner's work i've
• 1:15:55
  seen and some i still have yet to see but I will
• 1:15:58
  see stand by me I saw it because you know how
• 1:16:00
  like you want a streamer And it like gives you
• 1:16:02
  stuff that you they think you'll like it's like
• 1:16:05
  i'll put it on my list I will you know what's
• 1:16:07
  crazy a week. No a couple of days before Rob
• 1:16:11
  Reiner got murdered. Um, my cousin went to a
• 1:16:15
  Stand By Me reunion with Sam Wien and everything.
• 1:16:18
  And she was like, she wrote us and she was like,
• 1:16:20
  hey, they have a box here to ask questions. So
• 1:16:23
  she texted me and my sister and I put like, can
• 1:16:25
  you ask Sam Wien, you know, what would you say
• 1:16:27
  to your 1985, you know, your 1985 self? And it's
• 1:16:33
  so funny that the question, they picked my question.
• 1:16:36
  And I was so shocked. And then that's when we
• 1:16:38
  were like, whoa, it's so weird that this moment,
• 1:16:41
  and then he ends up writing that post and we
• 1:16:43
  in about, you know, his experience and everything,
• 1:16:46
  how his feelings. I know they probably were wanting
• 1:16:48
  to get interviewed like crazy, but yeah, it was
• 1:16:50
  just kind of like... crazy even with the question
• 1:16:53
  picked how I think of myself when I watch Stranger
• 1:16:56
  Things and seeing like this movie based on something
• 1:16:59
  that I grew up, like I would be in this genre
• 1:17:02
  of 85 kids, you know, and kind of asking myself
• 1:17:05
  that same question like, well, imagine if something
• 1:17:07
  like this would happen to someone like, you know,
• 1:17:09
  in those experiences. So it's kind of cool just
• 1:17:12
  to kind of picture all that and see yourself
• 1:17:15
  grow up because, you know, now I'm 40 and I'm
• 1:17:18
  like, I'm in that genre of that sense of like
• 1:17:20
  this is This is me looking back on my life if
• 1:17:24
  I was a kid. So, yeah. I love that. Well, I love
• 1:17:28
  that you had this special relationship with Stranger
• 1:17:31
  Things. I love that I loved Heated Rivalry enough
• 1:17:34
  to spoil it for you. The way I did. It's okay.
• 1:17:40
  I enjoy you coming on. I really would love it
• 1:17:42
  if you came on again sometime. This was wonderful.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah, definitely. Definitely pick a show that
• 1:17:48
  I'll watch fully. I will watch. So I'll be prepared.
• 1:17:53
  No worries, no worries, no worries. And speaking
• 1:17:55
  of Leo DiCaprio, to your Titanic reference, in
• 1:17:59
  some episode, I have to talk about one battle
• 1:18:01
  after another, the latest. Great movie. It is
• 1:18:03
  a great movie. Oh my God. Beautiful. It was great.
• 1:18:06
  I was like, wow. Yeah. Can't wait. Can't wait.
• 1:18:09
  Yeah. I'll have a podcast connection called Ian,
• 1:18:13
  who is going to come on and talk about it with
• 1:18:15
  me. Perfect. I'll definitely check that out.
• 1:18:17
  Yeah. You should do a Bridgerton discussion,
• 1:18:20
  too. Oh, my God. I haven't seen that show in
• 1:18:21
  a while. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming
• 1:18:24
  back. Yeah. I am so, like, oh, God, I'm so basic
• 1:18:28
  because, like, I think I only watched it when
• 1:18:30
  it was, like, really, really buzzy during its
• 1:18:32
  first season with, like, Ray J, John Page, whatever
• 1:18:35
  that guy's name was. And then I just fell off
• 1:18:37
  from it. once the cast changed from the second
• 1:18:40
  season on. So I have to check back in with it,
• 1:18:43
  I'm sure. Yeah, when there was a plus -size protagonist,
• 1:18:45
  finally, who wasn't just, like, the shy plus
• 1:18:48
  -size, it was just nice to see her be the actual,
• 1:18:51
  like, love and interest and sexual, like, I guess
• 1:18:55
  sexual fantasy for this popular guy. I was like,
• 1:18:58
  oh, my God, finally. Finally, we're not like
• 1:19:00
  the sad, pathetic girl that's being bullied.
• 1:19:03
  Do you think we're end or is it still going with
• 1:19:04
  seasons? It's still going. I think now they change
• 1:19:07
  it with like the kids. Like they make them their
• 1:19:10
  main focus. So I think that one's gonna be now
• 1:19:13
  the brother that is technically bisexual, but
• 1:19:16
  doesn't know. But maybe he's gay, maybe he's
• 1:19:19
  not. But now he's a female that's the main girl
• 1:19:22
  who's Asian. So we don't know. So like, well,
• 1:19:25
  this is gonna be the path. And then same thing
• 1:19:27
  with the sister who's like... this feminist who
• 1:19:30
  doesn't want to get married. We'll see. We'll
• 1:19:32
  see what happens. So. All right. I'm there. I'm
• 1:19:35
  there regardless. Yeah. All right. Well, for
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• 1:21:00
  we should end this episode as we always do, and
• 1:21:02
  we should allow deliciousness to ring.