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How to make Windsor more attractive for young families · Kvetch & Release

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Speaker 1: Hey, how are things like Whin's there's a weird place
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Speaker 1: Windsor is.
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Speaker 2: Uh, it's unique, unique in many but in many ways.
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Speaker 2: And uh, and we're going through a unique period in
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Speaker 2: our history and uh, I think we're going to talk
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Speaker 2: a little bit about that. And I really, you know,
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Speaker 2: do appreciate you inviting me to come on to have
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Speaker 2: this discussion about you know, where the city's at and
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Speaker 2: uh uh and where it's going. And I think that's exciting. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's I think that's that's you know, the underlying theme
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Speaker 2: to almost everything that's happening in the city is change, change,
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Speaker 2: and change. It's happening for a positive reason. Growth. People
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Speaker 2: are investing in Windsor, people are coming to Windsor, and
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Speaker 2: that means things are changing in Windsor. So there's a
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Speaker 2: really positive piece to that. And our future is bright.
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Speaker 2: But going through what we're going through to be able
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Speaker 2: to adapt to that change that's happening, regardless of what
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Speaker 2: we want to see happen or not, is there's some
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Speaker 2: growing pains that go along with that, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm excited to chat with you about what some of
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Speaker 2: the positives and negatives around some of that.
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Speaker 1: Some of that reality for sure, and you can hear
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Speaker 1: right now a Ward nine counselor Kieran McKenzie's phone is
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Speaker 1: raining because the Java counselor never quite frankly stops. It
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Speaker 1: is nine or nine. We want to get your comments
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Speaker 1: and if you had any questions for the counselor, now
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Speaker 1: would be the time to send them in. You can
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Speaker 1: call or text five one nine sevent nine to CKLW.
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Speaker 1: You've been hearing here on A eight hundred this morning
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Speaker 1: on the Morning Drive with Mike Kcook and Gust host
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Speaker 1: Kathy McMahon that we're getting a second Costco. It's a
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Speaker 1: big deal. My boss called me up this morning. It
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Speaker 1: was six thirty in the morning and I went, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to wake up. I still have an hour
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Speaker 1: and a half left to sleep, Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: No, we don't.
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Speaker 1: We wake up very early. But she said, you've got
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Speaker 1: to talk about Costco. This is a big news story.
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Speaker 1: The phone lines have been lighting up because of it. Kieran,
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Speaker 1: it's a good news story to hear of another like,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I don't want to like get
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Speaker 1: another Costco. Windsor's on a new course. But there's nothing
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Speaker 1: wrong to actually be willing to champion profess be excited
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Speaker 1: about another big employer one. It is a sentiment that
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Speaker 1: reflects that Windsor is quite frankly doing well. Costco would
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Speaker 1: not decide to go and spend forty to fifty to
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Speaker 1: sixty million whatever it's going to cost to go build
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Speaker 1: the new facility and staff it and do all of
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Speaker 1: that stuff like it is a good it's a good
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Speaker 1: news story.
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Speaker 2: It's a good news story on a number of different fronts. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, notwithstanding and I know certain people have feelings
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Speaker 2: about quote unquote big box stores. Right, let's just park
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Speaker 2: that for a second. You have one of the largest
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Speaker 2: corporations in the world, or at least in North America,
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Speaker 2: making the active decision to make a major investment in
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Speaker 2: our community and to bring a few hundred jobs to
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Speaker 2: our community. But also they've done this analysis. They don't
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Speaker 2: make the they don't make the decision to make a
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Speaker 2: big investment, big capital investment, like a new store in
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Speaker 2: a city where they already have a location, if they
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Speaker 2: don't think that the market is there to sustain this,
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Speaker 2: to sustain it. So, without having any access to their data,
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Speaker 2: I just know that the decision that they made is
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Speaker 2: based on the analysis that they have about what the
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Speaker 2: future of our community looks like, and that that investment
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Speaker 2: is another sign that the future is bright, that they
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Speaker 2: believe that there are going to be people and people
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Speaker 2: with disposable income that are going to be eventually become
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Speaker 2: their customers on an entirely just different side of the city,
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Speaker 2: not to mention from the city's perspective, the development that
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Speaker 2: will occur in the land in and around the lands
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Speaker 2: where the store will be located, it's a bit of
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Speaker 2: a hole in the doughnut, if you will. So it's exciting.
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Speaker 2: It's a very exciting announcement. It's an exciting investment. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing the shovels in the ground
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Speaker 2: because that's one thing that we always see with respect
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Speaker 2: to the announcements around development is you know, when is
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Speaker 2: the project actually going to be underway. I'm not I
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Speaker 2: feel like it's going to be fairly accelerated, but I
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Speaker 2: haven't had an opportunity to be fully briefed on the timeline.
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Speaker 1: You know, when we see developments like this, and of
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Speaker 1: course we're here with Ward nine Counselor Kieran McKenzie Kieren.
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Speaker 1: When we see these announcements, when we see this kind
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Speaker 1: of development, it furthers this conversation that Windsor is not
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Speaker 1: the Windsor of the late nineties early oughts. Any things
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Speaker 1: are changing, we are developing. As easy as it is
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Speaker 1: for cynical, jaded people like me to sit and criticize
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Speaker 1: on podcasts or on the radio, which quite frankly you
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Speaker 1: used to do yourself back in the good old days,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of really good stuff happening here there.
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Speaker 2: There there are good things and and that's thats and
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Speaker 2: I think that's the important thing that I think people
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Speaker 2: from whatever perspective you're you're looking at the city can't
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Speaker 2: lose sight of at that high level we're doing well.
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Speaker 2: Could we do a lot of things better? There's absolutely
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Speaker 2: no question about it. And we have a good, healthy
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Speaker 2: civic debate around a lot of things, uh that happen
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Speaker 2: in the city on a regular basis, And it happens
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Speaker 2: here on on these airwaves on on a daily basis. Uh.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the great you know, am eight hunters,
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Speaker 2: one of the amazing resources that we have in our
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Speaker 2: community where we are able to have those discussions. For
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Speaker 2: me and and one of the things that I'm you know,
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Speaker 2: that I keep trying to communicate is there are again,
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Speaker 2: as I said, there's things that we could be doing
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Speaker 2: a heck of a lot better. And there's and I've
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Speaker 2: pointed them out and others have as well. But we're
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Speaker 2: we're trending in the right direction. The trend line is
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Speaker 2: pointing up, and uh, you know, we just we just
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Speaker 2: need to guess kind of the keep the course.
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Speaker 1: Well, what do you think Winsor needs? Quite frankly, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to you, no, no, no, this
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Speaker 1: is not to you. I don't care about you care
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Speaker 1: anymore Herean, I'm asking for the audience, the AM eight
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Speaker 1: hundred listener audience. What do you think Winsor needs? What
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Speaker 1: can we improve upon? If you had a question for
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Speaker 1: your Ward nine counselor Kieran McKenzie, what would it be?
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Speaker 1: You can call her text us at five nine seven
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Speaker 1: ninety two c KLW. It's not to say I don't
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Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say, Kieran, It's
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Speaker 1: just the commercials they matter more than you right now, unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I can give you a vote, but
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Speaker 1: unless you're paying a Bill, I got nothing for you
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Speaker 1: right now. It's nine fourteen. We'll be back right after this,
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Speaker 1: back here un amid one hundred c k LW. Hey, Kieren,
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Speaker 1: you know what we're I guess I shouldn't just if
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Speaker 1: you're just tuning in. We have Ord nine counselor Kieren
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Speaker 1: McKenzie live in the studio. I called you up last night, Kieran, yes,
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Speaker 1: and I went, I want to yell at you for
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Speaker 1: an hour on air about a lot of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Do you mind?
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Speaker 1: And you were like.
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Speaker 2: I'd rather not?
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Speaker 1: Not Like, okay, Von, We'll find a nuanced way to
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Speaker 1: do this. Blah blah blah. My boss, though, is very
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Speaker 1: excited about the idea of just me yelling at you
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Speaker 1: for an hour straight.
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Speaker 2: But you know I can take it. You know it
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be much different than just an average.
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Speaker 1: Right, just exactly.
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Speaker 2: Hey.
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Speaker 1: We got a question though, that's coming in from our
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Speaker 1: texting audience, and if you have a question you can
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Speaker 1: call her text five K John. Please ask Kieran why
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Speaker 1: him and this not taking the sheep along the ec
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Speaker 1: Row Expressway more seriously trying more things to catch the
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Speaker 1: poor things. What a terrible situation and a big saty hazard.
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Speaker 1: I've emailed Kieran numerous times and he has not responded
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Speaker 1: to me. Kieran, why do you hate sheep? Why do
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Speaker 1: you hate them?
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Speaker 2: I don't hate sheep, we h. I know the city
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Speaker 2: is working on trying to address the situation. That email
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Speaker 2: that I think, I think it was addressed to all counselors,
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Speaker 2: so I'll just throw that out there, and it was
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Speaker 2: referred to our administration the end of the day. It's
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Speaker 2: a It's a safety situation, There's absolutely no question about it.
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Speaker 2: Maybe not much different than perhaps the issues we have
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Speaker 2: with other types of wildlife that make it into the
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Speaker 2: public roadway a deer, for example. There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: different stretches of the road. Take a long spring garden
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Speaker 2: as for example. If you go down there at nighttime,
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Speaker 2: it is you have to be very very careful. The
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Speaker 2: expressway is a bit of a different kettle efficient sprint garden.
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Speaker 2: I understand that. All I can say is I know
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Speaker 2: that the city resources that we have that can address
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Speaker 2: the situation have been deployed and they're working on it.
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Speaker 1: Well. Listen, people are upset, they're texting in, but I'm
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Speaker 1: glad that it's being dealt with. I never thought, quite frankly,
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Speaker 1: that the City of Windsor was aggressively against sheeap. We
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Speaker 1: pro safety, john S pro safety. Absolutely, that's what matters. Hey, Okay,
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Speaker 1: so let's actually let's dive into the thick of things.
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Speaker 1: When I look at Windsor, when I look at the
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Speaker 1: state of things, I get upset sometimes. Often you and
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Speaker 1: I have, by the way, well fair enough, and like
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Speaker 1: you and I have been on a podcast, not together,
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Speaker 1: albeit but the same podcast at different times ros city politics.
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Speaker 1: I look at some of our infrastructure spending, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I go, what are we doing? Like I have no
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Speaker 1: but like, how do I put this? I have no
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Speaker 1: problem with spending money on nice things. We bring word
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Speaker 1: one counclor Ford Francis on often and he says, I
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Speaker 1: like nice things, but I don't want to spend money
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Speaker 1: on them if we have other priorities. And I think
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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good point, to be honest. But I'm
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Speaker 1: a bit more frivolous than him. I'm like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: let's let's spend some money on some nice stuff so
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Speaker 1: we've got bright lights. I criticized it, but I've also
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Speaker 1: said now that it's happening, like enjoy it. I've had people.
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Speaker 1: I've had people call in and say, I'm never going
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Speaker 1: to go to bright Lights, Bah, it's too much money.
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Speaker 1: And I go, well, you're already spending on it, so
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Speaker 1: you might as well enjoy it. But I look at
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess streetcar right now, Sure esplanade right now,
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Speaker 1: conversations about festival plaza al those that's been deferred. Are
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Speaker 1: there not other priorities that we should be addressing before
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Speaker 1: the nice things? It's great to bring people out on
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Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon to City Hall Square to get me
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Speaker 1: wrong with a new esplanade, or if it's the winter,
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Speaker 1: to go for a skating and some hot chocolate on
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Speaker 1: a day with a Santa Claus sitting up on the
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Speaker 1: stage or whatever. But like, don't we need more affordable housing,
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Speaker 1: Don't we need to invest in transit. Don't we need
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Speaker 1: to do the AB's and c priorities?
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Speaker 2: So it's a really good question and fundamentally comes down
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Speaker 2: to the idea of how you build the city and
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Speaker 2: how you build a city that's a great place to live.
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Speaker 2: Part of that is certainly hard infrastructure, and you know,
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Speaker 2: the things I would really encourage people to do, and
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Speaker 2: I you know, this is this is now you're getting
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Speaker 2: I'm asking you to do some council work, but look.
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Speaker 1: I don't want it. You want to get into No,
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Speaker 1: get me the votes.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know. But to your point, in terms
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Speaker 2: of that hard infrastructure that you're talking about, and if
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Speaker 2: you look at the pie chart of the money that
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Speaker 2: we spend on capital works, the vast, vast, vast majority
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Speaker 2: is spent on all of that need to have hard
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Speaker 2: infrastructure piece we in the city winter we have a
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Speaker 2: tendency to focus on like in the total the total
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Speaker 2: capital budget, we focus on the sliver. We focus on
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Speaker 2: that sliver if you can just follow me on the
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Speaker 2: pie chart analogy, rather than looking at the big pac
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Speaker 2: Man sized component of what we say, ninety being.
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Speaker 1: Spent on the un sexy roads, sewers.
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Speaker 2: Nonsense, that ninety seven is high, but it's not there.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not actually citing specific numbers for
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Speaker 1: those listening.
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Speaker 2: But within that the other piece to it. And I
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Speaker 2: would say so when people tell me I don't think
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Speaker 2: you should spend money on Let's take the ice rink
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Speaker 2: for example, It's not just the ice rink, the esplanade
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Speaker 2: project because it's an ice rink slash splash pad. Well,
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Speaker 2: I say, I say to them, okay, well you want
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Speaker 2: us to cut the park's budget then, and people get
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Speaker 2: really offended right right away. The so well, no, I
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Speaker 2: don't want to cut the park's budget. Well you do, though,
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Speaker 2: that that's what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: Or you want me to raise your taxes.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's which which I know what the answer.
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Speaker 1: There's only there's only two. There's only two ways to
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Speaker 1: bring revenue in.
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Speaker 2: I know what the answer is to that question. It's no.
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Speaker 2: So you can look at any one particular investment in
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Speaker 2: a parks or a place making type of project and
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Speaker 2: say that's superfluous, that is unnecessary. My road and you
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Speaker 2: know near the road near my house is falling apart,
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Speaker 2: and that should be the priority. I can tell you
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Speaker 2: that road likely is on our is in our capital
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Speaker 2: plan is going to be addressed at some point in
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Speaker 2: the not too distant future. The idea that we would
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Speaker 2: deinvest in our parks and not create places for people
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Speaker 2: to enjoy the community, I think, you know, at a
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Speaker 2: high level, it's a it's a mistake, and we should
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Speaker 2: be supportive of making of making wonderful places for people
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Speaker 2: to go to it's not just good for you know,
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Speaker 2: it's not it. I just don't and I don't see
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Speaker 2: them as having the nice like we got to have
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Speaker 2: nice things. These are investments in the community that make
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Speaker 2: people want to further invest in the community, that make
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Speaker 2: people want to live in our community. And that's why
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Speaker 2: they're important, not just because it's a nice to have.
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Speaker 2: It's also a neat to have, because if you don't
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Speaker 2: have nice things in the community, people don't want to
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Speaker 2: live here. And if people don't want to live here,
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Speaker 2: then we're really in a in a pickle to use
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Speaker 2: a Yeah, there was a I was going to use
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Speaker 2: the Creek expression, but I don't know if I could
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Speaker 2: use that.
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Speaker 1: To use that on air today, Totally fine. I think
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Speaker 1: people know what you're getting at. Totally fine. We will
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Speaker 1: allow the Greek reference, though not fully expanded upon. Hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've got a little bit of time here.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to a question that is coming
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Speaker 1: in Karen for you. One person texting and says, I'd
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Speaker 1: like to have a discussion around how Windsor can retain
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Speaker 1: our young adults. Many go away for post secondary and
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Speaker 1: then they don't come back to here in Windsor, the
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Speaker 1: area Essex County. How can we do better to make
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Speaker 1: Windsor an appealing place to settle and perhaps raise a
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Speaker 1: young family. Hey, Kerri, you know I find this one
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Speaker 1: interesting because, like quite frankly, I feel like I'm the
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Speaker 1: mistake in Windsor. I don't know why I'm here. I
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Speaker 1: probably should leave. The opportunities are much better somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: But there's something wrong with you. I've got this little
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Speaker 1: broken chip in my head where I go. I love
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Speaker 1: this Maybe I love this place so much and I
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Speaker 1: don't want to leave, and I want to see it
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Speaker 1: be its best. But I also watch my friends, I've
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Speaker 1: watched family, I've watched acquaintances. All I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: back to ten years ago, twelve years ago. Let's go
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Speaker 1: to Alberta, the oil boom, there's the immensa opportunities. Or
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Speaker 1: let's go to Ivy League colleges that are down in
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Speaker 1: the US. Or let's just get out of here because
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Speaker 1: I can't wait for a second Costco to come to
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Speaker 1: get a job.
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Speaker 2: How do we do? What do we do here? Youth
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Speaker 2: retention is one of the most important questions that that
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Speaker 2: any one of us that are in leadership roles and
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Speaker 2: I think everyone in the community has to has to
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Speaker 2: be thinking about if people make the decision to leave,
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Speaker 2: then what is our future really going to look like?
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Speaker 2: So this is why the economic development pieces and you know,
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Speaker 2: to your point about costco and I know you're being facetious,
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Speaker 2: but you know that's an important announcement today because that's
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Speaker 2: part of that is jobs.
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Speaker 1: I will never scoff at two hundred new jobs.
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Speaker 2: Sure, don't get me wrong, and I know you weren't
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Speaker 2: doing that, but it's it's you know again, it's it's
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Speaker 2: these investments that are that are a big part of it.
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Speaker 2: It's also the nice places that we have in the
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Speaker 2: community that's a part of it as well. The other
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Speaker 2: piece that I think is vital that we need to
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Speaker 2: be doing much much better on is in the transportation universe,
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Speaker 2: if we're going to ask people, and in the housing universe.
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Speaker 2: The two areas where I think we have the biggest
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Speaker 2: challenges and I think that we have the greatest room
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Speaker 2: for improvement. I think are if you give me the
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Speaker 2: top five about how do we how do we keep
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Speaker 2: people here? It's those two items Land and you could
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Speaker 2: we could debate where in the top five they're in
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Speaker 2: the top five for sure, maybe one and two. But
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Speaker 2: I think we need to do a whole lot better
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Speaker 2: on those two fronts in order to really because we're
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Speaker 2: doing well on those other pieces, the economic development piece,
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Speaker 2: people are coming. We just got to make it easier
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Speaker 2: for people. For everybody who's going to make the choice
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Speaker 2: to live here, to live here, to make the choice
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Speaker 2: to live here, but also to make the choice and
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Speaker 2: as a part of that choice to have once they
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Speaker 2: do make that choice, they can get to where they
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Speaker 2: need to go and they can go to nice places.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think that if you've got a
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Speaker 1: good job and was there, if you've got like a
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Speaker 1: steady income, Windsor becomes like an incredible place. Absolutely, But
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Speaker 1: if you don't, Windsor can look like, ugh, it's a
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Speaker 1: tough place to slog it out. And we're gonna come
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Speaker 1: back to you. We're gonna get your comments on that
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Speaker 1: one just after the break here. But I want to
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Speaker 1: know from what other people who are listening think. Five one, nine, seven,
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Speaker 1: nine two CKLW give us your call or your text.
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Speaker 1: You can talk to Kieran right now ward nine counselor
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Speaker 1: one of our two mckenziees on council. Quite frankly, you
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Speaker 1: can ask him, you can talk with him, we can
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Speaker 1: appine on this. I think it's a very interesting and
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Speaker 1: important conversation to have, like what makes you love this city?
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Speaker 1: What makes you hate this city? What can we do
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Speaker 1: better in this city? We are all vested, engaged and
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Speaker 1: have a buy in on it, and I want to
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Speaker 1: hear from you. So don't go anywhere, folks. John Lekey
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Speaker 1: here filling in for the one, the only, the incomparable
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Speaker 1: Damn McDonald. We're back after this. Dally here am one
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Speaker 1: hundred ck Bill w I hope you're doing well. It
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Speaker 1: is nine to thirty two. We're joined by Ward nine
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Speaker 1: Councilor Kieren mackenzie. Hey, Kieren, When you look at the
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Speaker 1: city and the state of it and our leadership and
18:20
Speaker 1: where we're going, we're on the precipice of a I
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Speaker 1: don't know if can you. I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: can call it a change. You and I have had
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Speaker 1: this disagreement before. You've said that the EV investments are
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Speaker 1: a diversification of our economy, and I've told you, whoy nonsense.
18:38
Speaker 1: I disagree with you. It's just furthering our car dependency,
18:42
Speaker 1: which is not a criticism by any means. It's I
18:44
Speaker 1: think it's just a further investment. But that's not the
18:47
Speaker 1: conversations I want to have with you right now. I
18:49
Speaker 1: want to ask you, when you look at how things
18:52
Speaker 1: are going in this city, what would you do if
18:58
Speaker 1: you were in that top seat. What would be the
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Speaker 1: ways that we could change things to make them better
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Speaker 1: for not only the listening audience, but even those who
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Speaker 1: don't listen as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, where we're going, that's the that's
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Speaker 2: the question. That's the question I think we all wrestle
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Speaker 2: with who have the opportunities to serve in these roles?
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Speaker 2: And I'll just say this, I'm very proud of the
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Speaker 2: work that that we've accomplished as a community, but also
19:27
Speaker 2: with my colleagues the last term and into this term,
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Speaker 2: we've made some I think, really incredible strides that are
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Speaker 2: going to benefit the community for literally decades to come.
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Speaker 2: But given that that table is not maybe fully set,
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Speaker 2: but is in well into the process of being set,
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Speaker 2: it's where we go now. And to me, the priorities,
19:46
Speaker 2: as we were talking about last segment, the priorities lie
19:49
Speaker 2: in this idea of given those changes that are happening.
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Speaker 2: And it's and I use the term the turn of
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Speaker 2: phrase whether we like it or not, because I recognize
19:59
Speaker 2: that some folks are uncomfortable with change and the things
20:03
Speaker 2: that are changing in our community that are happening in
20:05
Speaker 2: real time more of it's coming. We have to work
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Speaker 2: towards two things. A recognize that change is coming and
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Speaker 2: make sure that the appropriate investments are being made in
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Speaker 2: order for that change to be sustainable for the people
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Speaker 2: who are coming, but perhaps more importantly for the people.
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Speaker 1: Who What do you want to see though? Like I mean, like, listen,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you just you did the diplomatic counselor answer
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Speaker 1: there or you didn't say it. I was working.
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Speaker 2: I was working.
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Speaker 1: You didn't even say a word. Okay, I was working
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Speaker 1: towards You filled thirty seconds and we charge a lot
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Speaker 1: of money for that thirty seconds. Here on am, what
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Speaker 1: do you want?
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Speaker 2: I want us to improve on housing. I want us
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Speaker 2: to start there. We need and again it's not just
20:46
Speaker 2: it's the affordable housing, because we need to address urgently,
20:51
Speaker 2: urgently we have we have some very crucial and critical
20:55
Speaker 2: and impactful social issues in our community that are affecting everybody,
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Speaker 2: not just the folks who sit on the low end
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Speaker 2: of the socioeconomic spectrum, not just the folks who have
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Speaker 2: challenges with respect to mental health and addictions. Those are
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Speaker 2: the symptoms of the larger issues around a lack of
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Speaker 2: services for those folks and a lack of housing for
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Speaker 2: those folks. We need to start and do better. I
21:18
Speaker 2: shouldn't say start because we are making.
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Speaker 1: It's incredibly expensive right now, I look at different rentals.
21:26
Speaker 1: I used to love you. I'll get full disclosure. I
21:28
Speaker 1: don't care. I used to live in Victoria Park Place.
21:31
Speaker 1: Gorgeous place. I mean it's like Victoria Park Place has
21:34
Speaker 1: a bit of a reputation for being more of a
21:38
Speaker 1: bachelor's paradise than I suppose other things. I had a
21:42
Speaker 1: really nice two bedroom place. I paid nine to twenty
21:45
Speaker 1: five a month for it. Now that was a decade ago.
21:50
Speaker 1: Now look at I actually went for a viewing recently,
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Speaker 1: and a similar place, smaller than the one that I had,
22:02
Speaker 1: is now going for eighteen seventy five. So how do
22:05
Speaker 1: we deal with that? Like, how does someone who just
22:08
Speaker 1: graduates high school or they're at university, And I mean
22:12
Speaker 1: I got a friend who is living on Partington, you know,
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Speaker 1: Party Town Street. It's great, great place, nothing wrong with it.
22:20
Speaker 1: He said, he lives in a place with six other individuals.
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Speaker 1: He's spending five hundred a month. Now that's great, like
22:28
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks, there's nothing wrong with it. And he said,
22:31
Speaker 1: at least it's like, you know, five other guys and
22:33
Speaker 1: they're all respectful and we all live together. But I
22:35
Speaker 1: also think, like, well, I hope they all don't bring
22:39
Speaker 1: home a woman all at the same time, Like you
22:41
Speaker 1: have ten people in this house, Like, how does the
22:44
Speaker 1: average person in this city actually live?
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Speaker 2: Keran? I did the roommate thing through my university.
22:49
Speaker 1: The roommate thing though should be two people, three people.
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Speaker 2: Tops, four or five for me in my time. Then
22:56
Speaker 2: maybe it's.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we're not in a different situation.
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Speaker 2: Then, and it wasn't uncommon, uh, you know for for
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Speaker 2: any of the people that I was, you know that
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Speaker 2: we're in my social social circle, uh, to have a
23:08
Speaker 2: similar type of accommodation. Uh. So there's that.
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Speaker 1: So are we just building this out of proportion or
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Speaker 1: is there actually like a housing crisis?
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Speaker 2: No, you know, I there definitely is a housing crisis
23:17
Speaker 2: because I think you know, first of all, rents across
23:20
Speaker 2: the city are higher than mortgages. That's in a lot
23:24
Speaker 2: of instances, perhaps on average, if you looked at the
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Speaker 2: average mortgage out there versus what the average rent price
23:31
Speaker 2: for comparable home, I think, I think, and I think
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Speaker 2: that that's a symptom of it being out of whack
23:35
Speaker 2: for me. It's also it's important to be mindful of
23:38
Speaker 2: what are the tools that the municipality has in order
23:40
Speaker 2: to address some of those questions that you're talking about.
23:42
Speaker 2: We can build more housing. We can, We're doing some
23:46
Speaker 2: we could and probably should do more. We just did
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Speaker 2: the Meadowbrook project. We probably need five meadow Brooks and
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Speaker 2: it and all of that would just be you know,
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Speaker 2: chipping away. But then the other component to it is,
23:58
Speaker 2: you know, how we how we further incentivized development and
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Speaker 2: growth in the community generally. And this is why it's
24:04
Speaker 2: so important when we get into those discussions around housing
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Speaker 2: and zoning that the community as a whole and that
24:10
Speaker 2: people around the council table as a whole recognize that
24:15
Speaker 2: we are in a critical moment where we need to
24:18
Speaker 2: add housing. And when we get recommendations to that after
24:23
Speaker 2: a housing proposal has been vetted through our administration, that
24:26
Speaker 2: a certain type of investment makes sense, makes sense that
24:31
Speaker 2: in the context of a housing crisis, there needs to
24:34
Speaker 2: be very very solid reasons for us not to proceed
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Speaker 2: with a particular proposal that's coming forward to address housing supply.
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Speaker 1: We need more housing, so approve the housing when it comes.
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Speaker 3: It's necessary stuff help the community to understand as well,
24:50
Speaker 3: John that when we see these proposals coming forward, and
24:55
Speaker 3: sometimes people have some very good questions that they're asking
24:59
Speaker 3: about what the impact.
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Speaker 2: Of a particular development will be. The idea of supporting
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Speaker 2: the young is an interesting word here. The catastrophization of
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Speaker 2: the impact of a development that relatively speaking, is small,
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Speaker 2: but how it potentially could ruin a neighborhood and enabling
25:20
Speaker 2: that around the council table. That needs to stop. And
25:25
Speaker 2: that's that's that's that's that's one of the biggest challenges
25:27
Speaker 2: that I'm facing as a counselor in terms of how
25:30
Speaker 2: the conversations that I'm having with my colleagues, uh and
25:33
Speaker 2: with the community. So I think that that and that
25:36
Speaker 2: is one of the areas where I think, collectively we
25:39
Speaker 2: all need to show more leadership. And that's certainly something
25:41
Speaker 2: that I'm that I'm very focused on.
25:51
Speaker 1: Hey, we're back. Sorry, just a quick little gremlin there. Hey, Karen,
25:56
Speaker 1: you know, I when we look at leadership and we
25:58
Speaker 1: look at the city and I I always wonder, you
26:02
Speaker 1: have to be a weirdo to run for council, to
26:05
Speaker 1: any level of politics. Quite frankly, it's a it's a
26:07
Speaker 1: grueling slog that nobody really wants to get into unless
26:12
Speaker 1: there's something fundamentally broken inside of you. I don't know
26:14
Speaker 1: if it's your upbringing or maybe you had a bad
26:17
Speaker 1: teacher that just like berated you too much and you
26:20
Speaker 1: just need that affirmation from thousands of residents to say
26:24
Speaker 1: I'm going to vote for you. You're in it and
26:26
Speaker 1: you're doing it and God bless you for it. And
26:29
Speaker 1: I wonder do you have any aspirations for anything higher up?
26:36
Speaker 2: Art?
26:36
Speaker 1: Could we ever see a day where there might be
26:38
Speaker 1: a mayoral run for a Kieran Mackenzie, a provincial run,
26:43
Speaker 1: a federal run. Heck, maybe just like you looking to
26:47
Speaker 1: get NATO Plenary president or something like is there are
26:51
Speaker 1: there other higher aspersions for you?
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Speaker 2: So I love being a counselor and for the challenge,
26:57
Speaker 2: you're the challenge.
26:59
Speaker 1: So boring answer that question let me get to let
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Speaker 1: me get to my answer.
27:02
Speaker 2: Let me get to my answer. I love being a counselor. Uh.
27:05
Speaker 2: And you know, the the the faith that my constituents
27:09
Speaker 2: have by electing and re electing me, is is an honor.
27:14
Speaker 2: Uh And is uh you know, one of the one
27:17
Speaker 2: of the greatest opportunities I've had to serve the community
27:19
Speaker 2: in my life and one of the greatest opportunities I've
27:21
Speaker 2: had in my life. Just generally, I'll just say this obviously,
27:27
Speaker 2: you know, at this point, we're we're a few couple
27:30
Speaker 2: of years away at least from from mayoral contest to
27:33
Speaker 2: the next municipals. I'm not ruling anything out. Nothing's ruled out.
27:37
Speaker 2: That's the best answer that I can give you. But uh.
27:41
Speaker 2: But again, I love the work that I'm doing. And
27:43
Speaker 2: I think in my ward there's there's work, there's work
27:46
Speaker 2: that continues to need to be done and needs to
27:49
Speaker 2: be addressed. And h I think I understand my ward
27:52
Speaker 2: as well as anybody, and those are there's some important
27:55
Speaker 2: priorities and projects that need to get dealt with there.
27:58
Speaker 2: But we're gonna in a really interesting moment, both politically
28:03
Speaker 2: and also for the city as a whole. And I
28:06
Speaker 2: wouldn't be doing this job if I didn't think I
28:07
Speaker 2: have something to offer. And you know, those are considerations
28:11
Speaker 2: that are that are that are working their way through
28:16
Speaker 2: my own, my own sort of what is my future
28:18
Speaker 2: hold process.
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Speaker 1: Well you heard it here first, folks Ward nine Councilor
28:22
Speaker 1: Karen McKenzie formally declaring that he is going to be
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Speaker 1: running for a NATO plenary president of twenty twenty six.
28:29
Speaker 1: That's going to be great. We're going to keep an
28:30
Speaker 1: eye on that campaign. He is going to bring all
28:35
Speaker 1: of the diplomacy that you would expect to NATO. It
28:39
Speaker 1: feels more like a high school NATO something with sarcasm. Yes, absolutely,
28:44
Speaker 1: We're going to keep this conversation going. I see a
28:46
Speaker 1: lot of comments and texts coming in, so please keep
28:50
Speaker 1: them coming. We're going to get see all of your questions.
28:52
Speaker 1: Just after this break five one nine, seven, nine to two.
28:55
Speaker 1: C k LW is the number two call and text,
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Speaker 1: and I'll let you know right now just quickly here
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Speaker 1: in before we go. Someone is asking about the affordability
29:06
Speaker 1: crisis having to leave Windsor and the automotive sector having
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Speaker 1: great opportunities in the past but not nearly as much
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Speaker 1: as today, we'll dive into that and more. Don't go
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Speaker 1: anywhere five one nine seven nine two CKLW. John Lenkey
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Speaker 1: here on am hunter are back after this? Hey, we're
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Speaker 1: back John, like you here AM hundred ckl W. Hope
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Speaker 1: you're all doing well. We've got some funny texts come out. Uh,
29:28
Speaker 1: some people saying that word nine counselor Kieren McKenzie is
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Speaker 1: not answering questions. Some people saying that his questions that
29:35
Speaker 1: he are answering isn't really answering them. And then one
29:38
Speaker 1: person says, John, stop interrupting him. You're being so rude.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I don't think John, I don't think you're
29:44
Speaker 2: being rude. And just look, I have a way of
29:46
Speaker 2: answering questions in it because I feel like a good
29:49
Speaker 2: question deserves a good answer. And what I try to
29:52
Speaker 2: do is there's some context that I always try to
29:54
Speaker 2: put into it, and then I'll land on a definitive
29:58
Speaker 2: one side of the fence of the I don't think
30:00
Speaker 2: anyone's ever accused me of not you know, you don't
30:02
Speaker 2: know where I'm coming from. But look, I just I'm
30:06
Speaker 2: not just gonna ask a question. It's not just gonna
30:08
Speaker 2: be yes, next question, No, next question. I'm gonna I'm
30:11
Speaker 2: gonna tease it out, unpacket a bit.
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Speaker 1: I think if there is one criticism I could give
30:15
Speaker 1: to you is that you used to be a political
30:18
Speaker 1: staffer before becoming a political person yourself, politician elective. And
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Speaker 1: I can see you writing the press release when you
30:30
Speaker 1: answer the question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah for myself. Look, I can't escape who I am either, John,
30:35
Speaker 2: of course you can't. So it's it's it's part of it.
30:38
Speaker 2: It's part of it, and you know it's a good
30:41
Speaker 2: comment in terms of but believe me, I'm not. I
30:44
Speaker 2: don't try to and in fact, I try to run
30:46
Speaker 2: into tough questions.
30:48
Speaker 1: You don't always that.
30:48
Speaker 2: I try to give thoughtful answers, and if I if
30:52
Speaker 2: I need to do a little bit better expressing myself
30:55
Speaker 2: and making sure that it's clear where I stand on
30:57
Speaker 2: a particular issue, I'll think about that and try to
30:59
Speaker 2: do better. But like I don't, I don't run away
31:02
Speaker 2: from I don't run away from anyone.
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Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with actually answering the questions thoroughly
31:09
Speaker 1: in a way that brings us from where you see
31:12
Speaker 1: it to the end plan. And there is definitely something
31:17
Speaker 1: to appreciate there. Hey, okay, let's go back to the
31:21
Speaker 1: texting platform right now. The meadow Brook project was federal
31:26
Speaker 1: money for the most part. Why is it that Kieran
31:28
Speaker 1: says that he should take credit or the city should
31:30
Speaker 1: take credit.
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Speaker 2: It was one third, one third, one third, and uh
31:35
Speaker 2: so that look, we're not going to be able to
31:37
Speaker 2: do a fifty five million dollar project. It's a lot
31:40
Speaker 2: of money on our own. So that's and that's the reality,
31:45
Speaker 2: not just in the City of windsor across all of
31:48
Speaker 2: the communities across Canada. That's why the Housing Accelerator Fund,
31:51
Speaker 2: notwithstanding the fact that we didn't take those funds, but
31:54
Speaker 2: we've received other funds to support other housing developments from
31:57
Speaker 2: the from all levels of government. We're going to need more.
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Speaker 2: So do we need to do we need to take
32:03
Speaker 2: you know, taking credit. Of course, we put in a
32:05
Speaker 2: huge amount of money to make that project of reality.
32:09
Speaker 2: We're continuing to put a huge amount of money to
32:12
Speaker 2: make that project, to continue to fund that project. And
32:15
Speaker 2: there's others that are in the queue that are that
32:17
Speaker 2: are happening on a smaller level through the Community Housing Corporation.
32:20
Speaker 2: I sit on that board. We're doing great I think, sorry,
32:23
Speaker 2: we're doing. We're doing, We're making investments. We need to
32:26
Speaker 2: do more because of the crises that we're facing. But
32:29
Speaker 2: to say that we're not doing anything or enough, you know,
32:32
Speaker 2: there's a debate in there.
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Speaker 1: It probably belies the truth a little bit, that we're
32:36
Speaker 1: not doing anything. Of course, there's a lot that.
32:38
Speaker 2: Totally belies the truth. Could we do more?
32:40
Speaker 1: Yes, of course there's always more that could be done. Hey, Karen,
32:42
Speaker 1: we've got a caller right now off air, but who
32:44
Speaker 1: has a question? You were at the Pride Parade?
32:47
Speaker 2: Yeah?
32:48
Speaker 1: How was it? We were The crowds good.
32:50
Speaker 2: Amazing, It was amazing, and the vibe I use the
32:53
Speaker 2: term the vibe in my post describing it. So there
32:57
Speaker 2: was hundreds that marched, there were thousands who attended, and
33:02
Speaker 2: it was joyous, it was happy, it was inclusive. It's
33:09
Speaker 2: all of the things we talked about. I love the city.
33:11
Speaker 2: I love when I see the city doing that, giving
33:15
Speaker 2: each other that warm hug. We love you, we love
33:20
Speaker 2: being your neighbor, we love being someone that that we
33:25
Speaker 2: can have a fun time with, and just that that
33:28
Speaker 2: whole moment. The Pride Parade is a you know, there's
33:31
Speaker 2: there's some politics that are wrapped up in it always are,
33:34
Speaker 2: and in this uh today, it's no different, perhaps even
33:39
Speaker 2: even greater challenges than than we've seen in recent years
33:42
Speaker 2: with respect to the questions of equality and acceptance and inclusion.
33:48
Speaker 2: But but it was a wonderful day.
33:51
Speaker 1: So I I mean, I didn't get out this year
33:54
Speaker 1: to the Pride Parade. I was there last year, but
33:56
Speaker 1: I was at a Pride Shabbat event, which was I
33:59
Speaker 1: saw the photo official event. It was a lot of fun.
34:02
Speaker 1: We had a great time there. It is about the
34:05
Speaker 1: community and being inclusive and welcoming and warm and friendly.
34:10
Speaker 1: And I've been to communities that aren't as friendly as
34:17
Speaker 1: Windsor is, and they like they suck, like they're terrible places,
34:21
Speaker 1: Like everyone's angry. I feel like it's like you're going
34:25
Speaker 1: to the Tim Hortons in nineteen eighty six and like
34:27
Speaker 1: everyone's just smoking cigarettes and angry at each other and
34:30
Speaker 1: yelling at each other. Windsor doesn't have that vibe. And
34:33
Speaker 1: I just wanted, though, just change gear a little bit,
34:36
Speaker 1: because we have a text that's coming in that I
34:39
Speaker 1: think is sort of on this vein saying, ask the
34:41
Speaker 1: counselor why while Windsor is great and we do so
34:44
Speaker 1: many great things. Why is it that we spend so
34:46
Speaker 1: many millions on our street cars or our Christmas lights
34:50
Speaker 1: when we know that we have so many people that
34:54
Speaker 1: are still homeless experiencing housing issues. Shouldn't our money be
34:59
Speaker 1: spent in d different ways?
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Speaker 2: So again, we talked about this earlier on in the show,
35:03
Speaker 2: and this idea of again, if you look at the
35:06
Speaker 2: pie chart of the city Windsor and how we spend
35:08
Speaker 2: our money, the vast majority is spent on hard infrastructure, roads, sewers.
35:12
Speaker 1: So what does it say though, when someone you know
35:15
Speaker 1: text us in like, I mean, I'm not trying to
35:17
Speaker 1: interrupt you by any means, but like you can tell
35:20
Speaker 1: me that, like, we spend millions on millions, millions on
35:23
Speaker 1: those things. But if people are feeling this way, and
35:25
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the sticker shock of seeing a fifteen
35:29
Speaker 1: million dollars street car house or whatever, right, I mean,
35:32
Speaker 1: but like, how do you overcome these complaints?
35:35
Speaker 2: Well, I try to have this discussion that we're that
35:37
Speaker 2: we're having. Let's have a real conversation about how the
35:40
Speaker 2: money gets spent. Start there. Secondly, Okay, so you don't
35:44
Speaker 2: like a particular investment in an amenity. What are those
35:48
Speaker 2: things that come forward? They do go through a process,
35:50
Speaker 2: a public process that the public has the opportunity to
35:53
Speaker 2: interact with it. A lot of times what we see
35:54
Speaker 2: oftentimes not with all of them, but oftentimes folks are
35:58
Speaker 2: going to be engaged in a process to like, oh,
36:00
Speaker 2: we're going to build the Civic Esplanade, for example, We're
36:03
Speaker 2: gonna put all of these amenities in the Civic Square,
36:05
Speaker 2: and we're going to get people to come and try,
36:07
Speaker 2: you know, to to to want to come to that
36:09
Speaker 2: space to enjoy our downtown core because downtown needs investment.
36:13
Speaker 2: They love it. They they see the renderings and they
36:16
Speaker 2: see all the different things that we're gonna that we're
36:18
Speaker 2: proposing to build it until the time comes where there's
36:22
Speaker 2: a cost associated with it, and then it changes the
36:25
Speaker 2: dynamic of the conversation. So, look, it's important. And a
36:30
Speaker 2: lot of folks who are very knowledgeable about building cities
36:32
Speaker 2: will tell you don't. You have to build a city
36:35
Speaker 2: that has places and things for people to do if
36:38
Speaker 2: the city is going to be worth its salt. I'll
36:40
Speaker 2: just take and not that windsor in Paris are in
36:42
Speaker 2: the same universe. Take the Paris Olympics, and think about
36:45
Speaker 2: all of those iconic images of the Eiffel Tower and
36:49
Speaker 2: that civic square in the Arc de Triomphe. You know
36:52
Speaker 2: how those things got built public investment. Now, the Eiffel
36:55
Speaker 2: Tower was a public private partnership, but the but the
36:57
Speaker 2: but that was the municipality is very much involved in
37:01
Speaker 2: all of that process. And so you build great things
37:06
Speaker 2: in your city and that you eventually become a great city.
37:13
Speaker 2: Do you like that answer? I do. I do like
37:16
Speaker 2: answer the question.
37:17
Speaker 1: I think you hear my exasperation in that it's a
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Speaker 1: hard answer because there's a lot of work that's involved. Right,
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Speaker 1: I want a silver bullet. I want an easy solution, Karen.
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Speaker 1: I want to know how we turn our city into
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Speaker 1: the Paris as you just described overnight. But apparently that's
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Speaker 1: not the thing that happens. We all need to have
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Speaker 1: some buy in. We all need to do the work.
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Speaker 1: We all need to get out there, volunteer, get engaged,
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Speaker 1: be part of an organization, spend your money, donate, do
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Speaker 1: the things that matter.
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Speaker 2: Donate the things that you have in your disasi. And
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Speaker 2: it doesn't have money. If it's money, sometimes it's time.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you have neither. Even if it's just rick, you know,
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Speaker 2: participating in the discussion around what you want to see
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Speaker 2: happen in your community, and you know, not just it
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Speaker 2: doesn't always have to be positive, but it can't always
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Speaker 2: be negative.
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Speaker 1: We all have a buy in and we should probably
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Speaker 1: all start taking that seriously. It's easy, it's easy to criticize.
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Speaker 1: Lord knows, I got the microphone right here, and I
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Speaker 1: do it often. But we should all have that buy in,
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Speaker 1: recognize that buy in, and use that buy in.
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Speaker 2: The late great Jack Layton, who I had the great
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Speaker 2: fortune of working with, had an expression for all of
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Speaker 2: us who were you know, working in the NDP cou
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Speaker 2: because back in the day when I was a political staffer,
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Speaker 2: that we're in the business of We're not in the
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Speaker 2: business of opposition. We're in the business of proposition. So
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Speaker 2: and that is that is a mantra that has never
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Speaker 2: left me from the first time I heard those words
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Speaker 2: uttered and I've carried that through my entire political career
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Speaker 2: ever since.
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Speaker 1: Well you heard here first, folks, proposition Lord nine counselor
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Speaker 1: Kieren McKenzie. Because he wants to hear what you have
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Speaker 1: to say, what your buying is. He wants to bring
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Speaker 1: all of our visions forward and make this city a
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Speaker 1: better place. Hey Kieren, I want to thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for your time.
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Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure to