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Ep. 15 | Abortions During School Hours Without Parental Knowledge · The Myth of Education Podcast

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SPEAKER_03: Schools hide gender transitions,
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SPEAKER_03: surveys,
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SPEAKER_03: political indoctrination,
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SPEAKER_03: and locker room exposure from parents.
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SPEAKER_03: So what else could they be hiding?
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SPEAKER_03: Schools commonly misapply privacy laws,
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SPEAKER_03: like FERPA,
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SPEAKER_03: to keep gender transition records from parents.
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SPEAKER_03: By the same reasoning, could they be doing this with abortion too?
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SPEAKER_03: How do changes to abortion law impact our kids?
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SPEAKER_03: And what can we do about all this?
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SPEAKER_03: All rights are reserved.
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SPEAKER_03: Post Roe versus Wade,
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SPEAKER_03: after that law was thrown out by the US Supreme Court,
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states across the country began passing new laws because the
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right to abortion or
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SPEAKER_03: the right to kill your unborn child was then delegated to the states.
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SPEAKER_03: And states like Arizona, which passed Proposition 139,
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gave more ability to be able to do that,
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whereas other states gave more restrictions.
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SPEAKER_03: We can take away some lessons from this.
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Most Arizonans,
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at least,
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seem to think that abortion should be legal,
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at least up to viability.
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Now,
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there's restrictions as a result of that that were already on
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the books.
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SPEAKER_03: that are now on the chopping block.
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SPEAKER_03: Because what that did here in Arizona is made this part of our state's
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SPEAKER_03: constitution,
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SPEAKER_03: the highest law of the land for our state,
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and so that any other restrictions that preceded this are now
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being fought in the
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SPEAKER_03: courts.
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SPEAKER_03: Now,
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SPEAKER_03: Tiffany,
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do you imagine with changes in the law granting this as a
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constitutional right here
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SPEAKER_03: in Arizona...
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SPEAKER_03: or in other states that give more access to abortion.
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Do you think that the schools might be influencing kids in any
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way on abortions?
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SPEAKER_03: Do you see this playing out in our schools at all?
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SPEAKER_01: I do.
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I do believe that they are influencing the children when it
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comes to abortion.
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SPEAKER_01: I believe it's being maybe concealed in different kinds of conversations,
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SPEAKER_01: whether it's a sex education and health class,
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SPEAKER_01: Or it could just be outright.
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SPEAKER_01: I have heard of instances where counselors or teachers are taking it upon
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themselves to even drive students to Planned Parenthoods or
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abortion clinics when
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SPEAKER_01: the students are confiding in them about potentially being pregnant.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, there's definitely a huge influence.
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And I think that people who don't care about human life are
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going to capitalize on
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SPEAKER_01: the law being changed.
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SPEAKER_03: And we've already seen that how the gender transition issue,
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SPEAKER_03: I know in my district down in the Tucson area,
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SPEAKER_03: and I've heard many other places as well,
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SPEAKER_03: they appeal to student privacy,
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SPEAKER_03: you know,
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on issues where a kid wouldn't feel comfortable going to their
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parents for whatever
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SPEAKER_03: reason,
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SPEAKER_03: that they encouraged to go to some trusted adult,
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SPEAKER_03: right?
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: There's three ways that I found that they can do that.
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SPEAKER_03: Number one,
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the school counselor or staff person or whoever this child goes
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to help the student
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SPEAKER_03: get an out-of-state abortion.
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SPEAKER_03: And for us, that means California or New Mexico.
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SPEAKER_03: Number two,
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SPEAKER_03: they can help the student get another exception,
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SPEAKER_03: such as a medical necessity or a pregnancy as a result of incest.
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And the third way they can do it is help the student get a
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judicial bypass.
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SPEAKER_03: And this judicial bypass is available in, I believe, 38 states.
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SPEAKER_03: So that's widely across the country.
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SPEAKER_03: Speaking for Arizona,
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if we have these two border states and it's a what a three hour
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drive from most of
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SPEAKER_03: the state to get to New Mexico,
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SPEAKER_03: three three hour drive to get to the border of California.
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SPEAKER_03: How do you think those states treat minor seeking abortions?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, California is a sanctuary state for all things lawless and evil.
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And so minors are going to be able to drive to these states and
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get what they've
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SPEAKER_01: been told is health care,
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SPEAKER_01: whereas we know that this is not health care.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not health care if somebody's dying as a result of the care.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think that students are going to be able to go into these states.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to have complete cover.
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SPEAKER_01: They probably don't even have to give their real name,
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SPEAKER_01: their legal name,
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SPEAKER_01: and they can get the procedure that they need done and drive back home.
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SPEAKER_01: And the parents may not ever know about it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's how dangerous something like Prop 139 is.
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SPEAKER_01: It gives a lot of freedom and leeway.
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SPEAKER_01: for children to be able to make these adult kind of decisions.
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SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the day, they're not really supported.
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SPEAKER_01: A counselor that recommends an abortion to a vulnerable 15,
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SPEAKER_01: 16 year old girl,
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SPEAKER_01: that's not support.
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SPEAKER_03: That's evil.
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SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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SPEAKER_03: That's not love.
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SPEAKER_03: And, you know, you're spot on with California and Mexico, how easy it is.
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And I did a little bit of digging in this to find out that
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California and New
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SPEAKER_03: Mexico have no parental notification at all.
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They're one of,
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I believe it's 12 states that don't require parental consent.
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SPEAKER_03: So they...
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SPEAKER_03: go there as a minor.
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And there's not only no mandatory reporting laws,
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but there's no parental notification either.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's probably the easiest way.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'll be honest with you, Tiffany, in preparing this process,
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SPEAKER_03: podcast topic,
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I was a little hesitant to be as blunt as I am because I don't
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want this news out
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SPEAKER_03: there in the wrong hands.
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SPEAKER_03: Some kid could think,
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SPEAKER_03: oh,
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SPEAKER_03: goodness,
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SPEAKER_03: wow,
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SPEAKER_03: that's all I have to do is drive right three hours away.
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But we got to get this information out to parents so that they
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know first,
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right?
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The second one is help the student get an abortion based on
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another statutory
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SPEAKER_03: exception,
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SPEAKER_03: and that is medical necessity or incest.
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And we have a similar problem in the in the text of Prop 139
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here in Arizona now in
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SPEAKER_03: the Constitution.
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SPEAKER_03: where it limits abortion to viability.
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So there's a constitutional right to abortion up to viability
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unless there is a
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SPEAKER_03: threat to the medical health or mental health of the mother.
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SPEAKER_03: Does that seem rock solid to you?
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SPEAKER_03: What is mental health exception when we're talking about
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And another way that a minor could get an abortion or someone
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could get around this
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SPEAKER_03: viability limitation in our constitution.
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SPEAKER_03: What do you think doctors can do with that mental health verbiage?
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: the first thing I want to address is the word viability,
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SPEAKER_01: which is totally,
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SPEAKER_01: it's just a stupid word to use.
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SPEAKER_01: A two-month-old baby is not viable.
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SPEAKER_01: You have to feed the baby, change the baby.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not really viable outside the womb.
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Yeah,
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they might be breathing on their own,
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but if you stop caring for them,
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they die.
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SPEAKER_01: So what do we mean by viability?
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SPEAKER_01: And then as far as the mental health exception goes,
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I think that this is going to be anybody that comes into a
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provider's office and
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SPEAKER_01: complains about depression,
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SPEAKER_01: anxiety,
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SPEAKER_01: being bullied,
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or just going through some sort of stress that they think
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terminating the kid is
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SPEAKER_01: going to eliminate.
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SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately,
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SPEAKER_01: because our medical community is so full of evil as well,
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they're going to just acquiesce to that and listen to what the
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child says.
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SPEAKER_01: There's an issue with adults not taking control of the situation.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that these providers as well, they want to make money.
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And so that young girl is going to have to drive three hours or
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wherever she's
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SPEAKER_01: going to find a physician that will do this.
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SPEAKER_01: But then she's also got to pay for it.
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SPEAKER_01: So the corruption doesn't end.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm with you on both counts.
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SPEAKER_03: Number one, the viability issue is is ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_03: The abortion argument is so weak that it's just so full of holes.
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SPEAKER_03: You can't put somebody,
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SPEAKER_03: whether it's an unborn child or an adult,
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in an environment that's not conducive to life and then say
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they're not viable.
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SPEAKER_03: That's just dumb.
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SPEAKER_03: And then with the mental health, yeah, I could see that being...
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and when it's a subjective emotional state of a person and all
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you need is a doctor
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SPEAKER_03: to write off and say this is affecting the mental health,
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SPEAKER_03: well,
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SPEAKER_03: then now you have all nine months of abortion legalized,
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SPEAKER_03: which is,
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SPEAKER_03: I think,
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SPEAKER_03: what we've got.
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SPEAKER_03: So this brings us to the third one.
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The judicial bypass abortion is not something that I think most
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people have heard about.
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SPEAKER_03: I know I hadn't heard about it,
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but in the wake of this new legislation with the constitutional
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amendment from Prop
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SPEAKER_03: 139,
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SPEAKER_03: My wife and I have both really been digging into this,
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and we found out that there's a process whereby a student or a
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child who is
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pregnant is able to get an abortion approved by the court
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without having to notify
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SPEAKER_03: their parents.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a way to circumvent Arizona's parental notification law.
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SPEAKER_01: I think in the situation of a kid that's emancipated,
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that they would be able to get an abortion without notifying
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any parental unit.
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SPEAKER_01: Basically,
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SPEAKER_01: the topic that you're introducing us to,
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these are kids that might still live at home and be in their
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parents' custody.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: There's this emancipation process.
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SPEAKER_03: The child can be emancipated and make their own decisions.
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SPEAKER_03: But for some reason,
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SPEAKER_03: there's a special thing just for abortion,
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SPEAKER_03: for exactly to your point,
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SPEAKER_03: kids that are at home with their parents and don't want to tell them.
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SPEAKER_03: Now, I'll explain what I learned.
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SPEAKER_03: This came about in a post-Rowe case,
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SPEAKER_03: Baladi v.
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SPEAKER_03: Baird,
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SPEAKER_03: and we're going to put links on the show notes as usual.
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SPEAKER_03: And this actually required states...
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who have parental identification laws to have a judicial bypass
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process that
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parents can be left out if a judge determines one of the
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following two criteria.
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That the girl is mature enough and sufficiently well-informed
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to make the abortion
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SPEAKER_03: decision independently,
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SPEAKER_03: even if it's not in her best interest,
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SPEAKER_03: or that the abortion is in her best interest,
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Even if she isn't mature,
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it sounds ridiculous,
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but it's a judge making a decision.
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SPEAKER_03: And it could be either of these two things.
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Either she's mature enough in the judge's eyes or the abortion
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would be good for
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SPEAKER_03: her in the judge's eyes.
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SPEAKER_02: It gets worse because the judicial bypass is a secret process.
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There are records kept that are published by the State
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Department of Health,
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SPEAKER_03: and it tells you how many applied and how many were approved.
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SPEAKER_03: But that's it.
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So if my child or anybody's child went to this process and got
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the abortion
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SPEAKER_03: approved,
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SPEAKER_03: or even if they didn't get approved,
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SPEAKER_03: we would never hear about it.
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SPEAKER_03: They can even...
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SPEAKER_03: get a free attorney for this process.
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And there's outfits like Planned Parenthood and other
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pro-abortion outfits out
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SPEAKER_03: there who are advertising this to let the kids know about this.
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SPEAKER_03: So when they're Googling abortion, what do I do?
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SPEAKER_03: They find this information really quick.
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SPEAKER_03: It took me 49 years to find it,
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but it can be found pretty easily for somebody in a desperate
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situation like that.
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And one more thing before I get your thoughts on this,
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Stephanie,
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is I couldn't believe this.
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SPEAKER_03: The maturity alone is enough for a judge to decide this.
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SPEAKER_03: So if you train up your child right...
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SPEAKER_03: If you train them up in a way that they're really mature,
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SPEAKER_03: that they're knowledgeable,
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SPEAKER_03: and they can navigate this world,
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do you think they're going to be able to convince a judge that
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they're mature and
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SPEAKER_03: be able to hide this from you?
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SPEAKER_03: So if you are good about raising a strong-willed,
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SPEAKER_03: intelligent child,
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you are more likely never to hear about their abortion if they
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go through this
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SPEAKER_03: judicial bypass.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I have so many thoughts.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe I will offend some parents when I say this.
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SPEAKER_01: But if you're training up your child the right way,
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SPEAKER_01: then you're going to less likely have a teen pregnancy.
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SPEAKER_01: The key word there being train.
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SPEAKER_01: And so if you've got a set of values,
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SPEAKER_01: let's say biblical values,
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SPEAKER_01: we talk a lot about that on this show,
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SPEAKER_01: then you're going to warn your child about parenting.
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SPEAKER_01: having sex at a young age.
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SPEAKER_01: But we do have to,
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SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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come to the defense of parents who are busy or who have a
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different set of values.
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SPEAKER_01: And then behind their back,
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the schools are coaching their kids to be more sexually active
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and giving them
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SPEAKER_01: those resources.
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But I do just want to point out something that you were saying
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about how these
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SPEAKER_01: parents won't be notified,
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SPEAKER_01: family won't be notified.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that secrecy adds to shame.
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I think that if a young woman gets pregnant and she's not
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married and this is not
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SPEAKER_01: even a person that she plans to be with or anything like that,
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SPEAKER_01: that is a tough situation.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a messed up situation.
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Unfortunately,
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the female is going to deal with consequences more so than the
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boy will.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's where abortion comes in.
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SPEAKER_01: It's being used as birth control.
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SPEAKER_01: But secrecy only adds to the shame.
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SPEAKER_01: It would be better to just celebrate life,
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SPEAKER_01: even though the child's not coming into the world the way that you want.
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It seems like a lot of these abortion laws and things that we
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have on the books,
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we're trying to play God and to determine that people can only
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come into the world
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SPEAKER_01: under a specific set of circumstances.
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SPEAKER_01: And I just I disagree with that.
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And I would hope that no young person that's listening to this
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would ever go that
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SPEAKER_01: direction and keep a secret like that.
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It's really hard to get into the mind of a 15-year-old girl
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because even those that
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SPEAKER_03: are trained right in the ways of the Lord and are intelligent may have,
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SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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SPEAKER_03: the brains aren't developed and they're still a kid.
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SPEAKER_03: And our kids screw up in the little things.
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SPEAKER_03: They can easily screw up in the big things.
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It's such a tragedy to wind up in that situation where they are
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faced with this
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SPEAKER_03: major idea and they're pulled in a million directions,
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which makes it all the more confusing to them when you have the
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parents wanting to
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support them and willing to walk them through this with the
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school pulling them in
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SPEAKER_03: a different direction and they're with them more...
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SPEAKER_03: of the day a lot of the times.
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SPEAKER_03: And I think this is why roughly 10% of all the abortions,
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SPEAKER_03: there was about 247 abortions last reported for kids under 18 in 2024.
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SPEAKER_03: And about 10% of those were through this judicial bypass.
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We'll never really know how it was done or if those numbers are
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accurate because
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SPEAKER_03: it's all secret.
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SPEAKER_03: Tiffany,
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did you know that there are actual pro-abortion outfits out
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there who are opposed
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SPEAKER_03: to this process of judicial bypass?
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SPEAKER_01: I did not know that.
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SPEAKER_01: What's the catch?
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There should be no process between the child with the pregnancy
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and the abortion provider.
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SPEAKER_03: There should be an open door and they see the judicial bypass as a scary,
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SPEAKER_03: unnecessary barrier to them.
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SPEAKER_03: It should just be a revolving door.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's be able to just walk into the abortion clinic,
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SPEAKER_03: never telling your parents,
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SPEAKER_03: never having to deal with anything,
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SPEAKER_03: no obstruction at all.
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SPEAKER_03: And you can tell that's the spirit of the Prop 139 when you read it.
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SPEAKER_03: There should be no interference with the right to abortion.
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The American School Counselors Association calls judicial
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bypass drastic and abusive.
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The largest school counselor association in the United States
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wants to get rid of
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SPEAKER_03: judicial bypass.
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SPEAKER_03: And the reason is because it doesn't allow abortion enough.
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It's really tragic that a public school system would partner
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with something so
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barbaric that it just proves how far off the rails we've gone
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with government
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SPEAKER_01: education.
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SPEAKER_01: And in the private lives of that pregnant teenager and her family,
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We can't always regulate that because people really do think
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that this is a viable
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SPEAKER_01: choice that they have to make.
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SPEAKER_01: And I know that morally,
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SPEAKER_01: us Christians,
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we're going to be on a different side of that argument because
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I think that if you
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SPEAKER_01: get pregnant,
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SPEAKER_01: you should have your kid.
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SPEAKER_01: If you get pregnant,
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it doesn't matter how old you are because there's somebody who
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will adopt the kid
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SPEAKER_01: if you don't want to keep it.
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But I think it's really sick and sad that a child can go to
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school and be counseled
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and coached into making a decision like this and then go all
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the way through a
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SPEAKER_01: judicial process and the parents never have a clue.
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SPEAKER_01: That just, man, I think that's an attack on parental rights big time.
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SPEAKER_01: Prop 139 was to repeal more parental rights.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, and Prop 139 does not exempt minors from that constitutional right.
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SPEAKER_03: It refers to just every individual, is the verbiage.
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SPEAKER_03: And just earlier this month, there was a case, Isaacson...
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versus Arizona in Maricopa County Superior Court that threw out
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a bunch of
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SPEAKER_03: different restrictions,
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SPEAKER_03: like requirement for an ultrasound,
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SPEAKER_03: two visits at a clinic.
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SPEAKER_03: The reason for termination is a disability.
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They threw all of those requirements or restrictions out,
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but they didn't touch parental rights.
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SPEAKER_03: They didn't touch parental notification.
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SPEAKER_03: So that could be considered a win, but it's also a warning, right?
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SPEAKER_03: If they're coming after the other restrictions,
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SPEAKER_03: do you think they're going to stop there,
18:46
SPEAKER_03: Tiffany?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: The left has no self-control, no restraint.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, they could also say, you conservatives are blowing smoke.
18:57
SPEAKER_03: You're saying,
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and this is school counselors and school staff are going to be
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walking kids to
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SPEAKER_03: abortion clinics when there's no evidence of that.
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SPEAKER_03: But we see in Washington in 2010,
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SPEAKER_03: and this was 16 years ago,
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SPEAKER_03: I'm sure that's happened since then,
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SPEAKER_03: a Seattle-based health center,
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SPEAKER_03: those are great,
19:17
SPEAKER_03: involved staff referring a 15-year-old for an abortion and assisting with
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SPEAKER_03: transportation during school hours without notifying her parents.
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SPEAKER_03: And when the mother discovered it afterwards and expressed outrage,
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she realized no laws were violated and that school policy
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allows such referrals to
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SPEAKER_03: external providers like Planned Parenthood.
19:37
SPEAKER_03: So apparently that was news to her.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: And can you imagine learning that way?
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SPEAKER_01: Learning that way that your grandchild is gone forever.
19:46
SPEAKER_03: Oh, horrible.
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SPEAKER_03: Just just a family tragedy.
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SPEAKER_03: I would think Arizona is pretty good for parental rights.
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I always like giving a little bit of props because if you
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compare it to other
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SPEAKER_03: states,
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SPEAKER_03: I think we've got a pretty good with what we have on the books.
20:02
SPEAKER_03: It could be better, but it's not bad.
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SPEAKER_03: But yet we still have a problem.
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If a child goes to a school employee and says,
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I have a pregnancy,
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what do I do?
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SPEAKER_03: It could be a 12 year old, Tiffany.
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SPEAKER_03: And did you know that there's no state?
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I could be wrong about this,
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but I'm pretty sure I've done my research leading up to this.
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I could not find a law that shows that school is bound to
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mandatory report that to the parent.
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There is a law that they have to report that to law enforcement
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because it could be
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SPEAKER_03: statutory rape.
20:38
SPEAKER_03: There could be sexual assault.
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SPEAKER_03: But there's no requirement to notify the parent.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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I think if there's no requirement on the books to notify
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parents in this situation,
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then I would have to push back on the props that you're giving
20:52
to the state of
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SPEAKER_01: Arizona,
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SPEAKER_01: because that to me seems like it's a pretty important thing.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: To my knowledge, you still have to have parental consent.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're a 12 year old and you wanted to get a tattoo,
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I'm pretty sure your parents would have to sign off on that
21:06
until we become really
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SPEAKER_01: lawless.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: A 12 year old can't walk into a liquor store and buy alcohol.
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So to have an absence of parental notification for something as
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serious and life
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SPEAKER_01: altering as an abortion,
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SPEAKER_01: that to me is an affront to parental rights,
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SPEAKER_01: even up to and including the state of Arizona.
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SPEAKER_01: And in asking the question of, well, what can we do about it?
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SPEAKER_01: I think that we need to make sure that
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SPEAKER_01: That propositions like 139 can't continue to be passed.
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SPEAKER_01: We need people to engage from a moral perspective.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: Don't get caught up in the political aspect of it,
21:39
SPEAKER_01: but morally and the fact that this is dangerous.
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SPEAKER_01: Abortions come with all sorts of physical consequences, sterilization.
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And these are things that are probably unintended by a 12,
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13,
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14,
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15 year old girl.
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SPEAKER_01: She doesn't know if 15 years from now she's going to want to have a kid,
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SPEAKER_01: but she went and got an abortion and the doctor sterilized her.
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SPEAKER_01: Those who are pro-abortion, they don't tell the full story.
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SPEAKER_01: This doesn't really solve any issue.
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SPEAKER_01: It just makes you not pregnant anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: but it doesn't solve any other issue.
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SPEAKER_03: You mentioned earlier,
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SPEAKER_03: if I heard you right,
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that part of being a good active parent is to have these talks
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about sex and sexual
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SPEAKER_03: activity,
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SPEAKER_03: especially as a Christian and how we're called to live differently.
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Do you think being open and transparent would be a good thing
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to maybe even include
22:28
what abortion is and how horrific it is and all the
22:32
consequences that they may not
22:33
SPEAKER_03: hear from abortion advocates?
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As long as it's age appropriate,
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nothing should be off the table between a parent and a child.
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SPEAKER_01: And when I say nothing, I mean nothing.
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You should be able at age appropriate,
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of course,
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you should be able to talk about sex.
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SPEAKER_01: You should be able to talk about homosexuality,
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SPEAKER_01: abortion,
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SPEAKER_01: anything that could have a negative consequence.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: on a child's life.
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SPEAKER_01: As far as Proverbs 22,
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SPEAKER_01: 6 goes,
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SPEAKER_01: training up a child in the way they should go,
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the expectation from God's perspective is that you're steering
23:06
and guiding and
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SPEAKER_01: leading and correcting that child,
23:09
SPEAKER_01: trying to guard their soul because you don't want them to perish.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: And being realistic, sex was God's idea.
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I don't know if people realize this or not,
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but he's the one that designed our sex organ.
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SPEAKER_01: An orgasm was God's idea.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: That's the truth.
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SPEAKER_01: He designed a man and a woman that way.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: And all his expectation and his rule is, is that you wait until marriage.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, like you said earlier, the kids do make mistakes.
23:36
SPEAKER_01: Those things do happen.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: If you do have sex and you do get pregnant, don't abort the child.
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The two wrongs don't make a right and the kid should not get
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the death penalty
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SPEAKER_01: because the parents made a messed up decision.
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Even in the case when incest or rape,
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because that's always thrown out there.
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SPEAKER_01: But I've also done my little bit of research.
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Rape and incest together don't even equal one and a half
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percent of all abortions.
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SPEAKER_01: So that is something that the left always tries to throw out there.
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But the thing is,
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is that the child should not be punished or killed because of
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that situation.
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SPEAKER_01: How someone is conceived, that means nothing in terms of intrinsic value.
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SPEAKER_01: All life has value and meaning.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
24:20
SPEAKER_03: I like where you're going with this,
24:22
SPEAKER_03: and it's actually,
24:23
SPEAKER_03: for a dark,
24:24
SPEAKER_03: dark issue,
24:25
SPEAKER_03: you kind of put a positive spin on it.
24:27
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot that we want to control the narrative of.
24:30
SPEAKER_03: We'd love to control the narrative in our state legislature, in the laws.
24:33
SPEAKER_03: We'd love to be able to control the courts.
24:35
SPEAKER_03: We'd love to be able to control the school boards.
24:38
We'd love to be able to control the school administrators so
24:41
that we can opt out of
24:42
these discussions and keep our kids away from being compelled
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to abortions and
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SPEAKER_03: referred to abortion providers.
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But what we can control is the narrative in our own homes and
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how we are training
24:55
SPEAKER_03: and raising our kids.
24:58
SPEAKER_03: And it's hard, but it's the one area that we can actually control.
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SPEAKER_03: When we don't get that great conservative on the school board,
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we still can be in our home training up our kids and really be
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transparent about
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SPEAKER_03: what
25:13
SPEAKER_03: The beauty God has made this gift of sex,
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SPEAKER_03: explaining it in an age-appropriate way,
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SPEAKER_03: and the tragedy of abortion and the consequences of it,
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SPEAKER_03: I think we can control that at home,
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SPEAKER_03: right?
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SPEAKER_03: Even if we can't control it in the town square.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: I would go as far as to say when you read passages like Proverbs 22,
25:36
SPEAKER_01: 6,
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SPEAKER_01: the Lord expects parents to be in control of the situation.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no biblical reference,
25:42
no passage where parents are allowed or told to abdicate their
25:46
responsibilities to
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SPEAKER_01: government.
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SPEAKER_01: You're not going to find that anywhere in Scripture.
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God gives children to the parents,
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not to teachers,
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not counselors,
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not anyone else.
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So whether the child is yours biologically or you adopted them
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or you're a guardian
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SPEAKER_01: over them,
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SPEAKER_01: you're the person that's looking out for the well-being of the child.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: So we need parents to take control of their children's education.
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