Latest / Investor Exchange / Why Lion Asiapac's S$7 Million Loss In Q1 2025 Isn't As Bad As It Seems
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange Podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:07Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today, we're digging into a financial report
- 0:12that honestly looks pretty catastrophic on the surface.
- 0:16But underneath, there's a really fascinating story, maybe even one of strategic success.
- 0:23We're looking at the unaudited first quarter results from Lion Asia Pack Limited
- 0:27for the period ending September 30, 2025.
- 0:31That's right. Now, our mission today really starts with the profit guidance they issued earlier.
- 0:35It warned the market, didn't it? Said a massive loss was coming.
- 0:39It did set expectations low. And the final numbers, well, they delivered on that warning.
- 0:44So we need to look past that really scary headline figure, find out exactly
- 0:49what happened, sounds like one big accounting event, and figure out the true
- 0:54operational health, you know, the future trajectory of the company.
- 0:57Yeah, because our sources suggest this really isn't a story of failure at all. Right.
- 1:00And what's fascinating here, for me anyway, is that these financials,
- 1:04they present this absolute masterclass in why you have to look past the headline
- 1:08number. It's a classic paradox.
- 1:11The statutory net loss, the figure that makes investors maybe hit the sell button,
- 1:14it looks dreadful. It really does.
- 1:16But, and this is the key part, when we isolate the impact of this one major
- 1:22non-operational accounting entry, the picture that's left.
- 1:25It suggests significant underlying operational growth and a very deliberate strategic shift.
- 1:31Okay, let's definitely unpack that, but maybe let's start with that surface
- 1:34level first, because it is jarring.
- 1:36The total loss, net attacks for the quarter just exploded to $7.339 million.
- 1:44And just for context, the same time last year, Q1 2024, the loss was only $0.157 million.
- 1:50That's, what, nearly a 50-fold increase. It's a huge jump. And that translates
- 1:54directly, as you'd expect, into the loss per share.
- 1:579.06 cents this quarter compared to just 0.18 cents previously. Wow.
- 2:01You see numbers like that, and your first thought is, okay, the core business
- 2:03must have just cratered, right? Or maybe they uncovered some massive new liability.
- 2:08Exactly. But here's where it gets weird, where that paradox comes in.
- 2:12How on earth do you reconcile that massive jump in loss per share with,
- 2:17well, the fact that the company's core business seemed to be absolutely roaring?
- 2:22It doesn't immediately make sense, does it? No.
- 2:24Are we missing something else or is it really all down to this one external
- 2:27thing? Well, look at the countermetrics. They tell a very different story.
- 2:30The group's actual revenue soared, I mean, up by a staggering 88% for the quarter.
- 2:3688%. Yeah, it jumped from S4.279 million dollars up to S8.036 million dollars.
- 2:44You just don't see revenue climb that high when a business is,
- 2:47you know, fundamentally failing.
- 2:49Okay, that's a powerful counterpoint. And there's more. If you look at total
- 2:52comprehensive income now, that figure includes certain non-cash items,
- 2:55other equity movements that often get missed in just the simple net profit number.
- 2:59That figure wasn't just positive. It jumped by 110 percent, hitting S2.572 million dollars. Right.
- 3:07So explosive revenue growth, strong comprehensive income, but this huge statutory net loss.
- 3:13Exactly. It basically confirms we're dealing with a very specific non-recurring
- 3:17accounting event that just completely overwhelmed the main profit and loss statement
- 3:22for the quarter. OK, let's get straight to that then.
- 3:24The preliminary guidance. Yeah. It pointed towards the completion of a strategic disposal. Yeah.
- 3:29What exactly did they sell and how did selling it create this like $7 million
- 3:35black hole in the results?
- 3:37Right. So the asset they sold was a subsidiary called Compact Energy SDNBHD or CESB. PCESB.
- 3:44And the disposal was finalized on September 2nd, 2025.
- 3:47Now, the vast majority of that big headline loss figure, it's what we call a
- 3:51non-cash accounting effect.
- 3:53It stems directly from cleaning up the balance sheet after the sale,
- 3:56which accounting standards require. Non-cash effect. Yeah.
- 3:58The specific line item that really blew out the loss before tax,
- 4:02which was $7.010 million, was something called the D-recognition of Foreign
- 4:06Currency Translation Reserve. Okay.
- 4:08And the number attached just to that one single item, a loss of $9.333 million.
- 4:13$9.3 million. dollars. OK, that's a hugely technical term, isn't it?
- 4:18For such a massive number for someone listening.
- 4:21We need to understand what that foreign currency translation reserve actually is.
- 4:26Why did recognizing it suddenly create such a huge negative hit?
- 4:30OK, yeah, good question.
- 4:31Think of it like this. Lion Asia PAC owned CESB, which was an overseas entity,
- 4:37right? Right. Malaysia, I think. Yes.
- 4:39So they had to consolidate CESB's results into their Singapore dollar reports.
- 4:45Now, every time exchange rates moved over the years they owned it,
- 4:48the difference in the value of that foreign subsidiary wasn't immediately counted as profit or loss.
- 4:53It was essentially stored up, accumulated in a separate account on the balance
- 4:57sheet. That account is the foreign currency translation reserve.
- 5:00It's like a running tally, an unrealized holding account for all those historical
- 5:04forex movements related specifically to owning CESB.
- 5:08I see. So it's like accumulated paper gains or losses from currency fluctuations over time.
- 5:13Precisely. And the moment you sell that subsidiary, the moment it leaves the
- 5:17group structure, that's when the accounting rules kick in.
- 5:19They say, right, you have to de-recognize that reserve now. De-recognize means.
- 5:23It means you have to take all those cumulative stored-up exchange rate effects,
- 5:27whether gains or losses, and basically dump them all at once straight into your
- 5:32profit and loss statement for the current quarter.
- 5:34And in this case, unfortunately for the headline number, the net cumulative
- 5:38effect over all those years was a historical loss.
- 5:41So recognizing it meant taking a S9.333 million dollar hit to the P&L in this
- 5:49one quarter. Okay, that makes the distinction absolutely crystal clear now.
- 5:52It's a historical calculation.
- 5:53It's triggered by a one-time event selling the asset. It's not a reflection
- 5:58of how well they sold roofing materials or traded equipment today.
- 6:01Exactly. It's bookkeeping related to the past triggered by the sale.
- 6:04So let's set aside that accounting formality then.
- 6:07What was the actual sort of operational and cash result of selling CESB?
- 6:12Was it a good deal financially?
- 6:13Yes, it seems it was. The disposal itself actually generated a direct operating gain for the group.
- 6:20They recorded a positive gain on disposal of subsidiary on their books,
- 6:24amounting to S1.930 million dollars.
- 6:27Okay, so nearly two million in gain from the sale itself. Correct.
- 6:31But maybe even more important, certainly from a strategic point of view,
- 6:35the disposal resulted in a massive net cash inflow. Cash, right. How much?
- 6:4010.08 million dollars. Wow, okay.
- 6:43$10 million in fresh cash. That's the real game changer here.
- 6:47They cleaned up the books, took a big paper loss required by accounting rules,
- 6:50but they injected S10 million dollars in real, usable cash onto the balance sheet.
- 6:55That S10 million dollar cash injection, that pivots us perfectly,
- 6:58doesn't it, to the core strength of the business that remains?
- 7:00Let's focus entirely now on the operations they kept. That 88% revenue surge
- 7:05is, well, it's monumental.
- 7:07Where did that come from? Yeah, that growth, according to the report,
- 7:10was driven mainly by two key areas. Firstly, they had higher trading orders.
- 7:13And secondly, they saw increased supply from their core roofing solutions business.
- 7:18And if we look specifically at the performance of the continuing operations,
- 7:22the bits they didn't sell.
- 7:25They actually show profitability that lines up with that high revenue growth.
- 7:29So the remaining parts are healthy? Seems so.
- 7:31The supply of roofing solution segment, that generated a decent operating profit
- 7:36of $0.3 million for the quarter. Okay.
- 7:39And the trading segment that involves things like supplying mining equipment
- 7:43and parts that recorded basically a break-even result.
- 7:46Right. So this overall strong core performance, that's what helped them absorb
- 7:50some minor holding company costs. And I noticed in the sources,
- 7:54the costs went up, too, quite significantly in places.
- 7:57They did, but crucially, it seems commensurate with the volume increase.
- 8:01This is important, right? Costs going up in isolation is scary,
- 8:04but costs going up because you're selling way more stuff, that's usually a sign of scaling of growth.
- 8:09They reported higher costs for goods, materials, consumables, up 79 percent.
- 8:15Big jump. Yeah. And other expenses were up 50 percent. And they specifically
- 8:19mentioned that was driven by higher transportation costs needed to fulfill all
- 8:22those extra orders in the trading business.
- 8:24OK, so those cost increases actually reinforce the story of higher activity. Exactly.
- 8:29They seem to be the expected costs of a successful expansion in sales volume.
- 8:33So we've got this picture, a strategic divestiture results in a big paper loss, but nice cash boost.
- 8:40And the core operations that are left are thriving, growing fast.
- 8:44How did all this impact the balance sheet overall, specifically thinking about
- 8:49liquidity, their cash position, and maybe their net worth? Well,
- 8:52the transformation there is actually quite dramatic.
- 8:55And it provides, I think, the ultimate proof that the company is financially
- 8:59healthier after the disposal, despite that headline loss. Okay.
- 9:02That S10.008 million net cash inflow from selling CESB.
- 9:06That was the dominant factor. It drove the group's total cash and cash equivalence balance way up.
- 9:12It increased by $14.5 million in the quarter. Fourteen and a half million increase.
- 9:17Giving them a phenomenal war chest, you could call it, of S.
- 9:21$52.2 million in cash at the end of September.
- 9:25$52 million in cash. Wow. Yeah.
- 9:28And this cash position, this is really the takeaway you should focus on.
- 9:31Because despite reporting that $7.3 million statutory loss for the quarter,
- 9:35get this, the net asset value, the NAV per share, it actually increased.
- 9:40Increased, even with the loss. Increased. It went up to 75.66 cents per share,
- 9:45up from 72.50 cents just three months earlier at the end of June.
- 9:49How does that work? A loss, but higher net asset value?
- 9:53It's partly due to that total comprehensive income being positive,
- 9:56which includes things like fair value adjustments.
- 9:58But mostly it reflects that the underlying value is stronger now.
- 10:01They swapped an asset, CESB, for a large amount of cash and booked a gain on
- 10:05disposal, even after accounting for the currency reserve hit within the total comprehensive income.
- 10:10The company is financially much stronger, way more liquid, and the market,
- 10:14or at least the book value, sees the remaining focus group, now cash rich,
- 10:19as being worth more per share.
- 10:21Okay, that makes sense. Stronger, leaner, cashed up. So let's move into the
- 10:24outlook then. Yeah. The company's clearly finished this restructuring phase. They sold CESB.
- 10:28They even discontinued a related arbitration claim mentioned in the notes.
- 10:32What's the plan now? What's the forward-looking strategy for this newly focused
- 10:37cash-heavy Lion AsiaPak over the next year or so?
- 10:40Well, management is signaling a very clear pivot. They're moving from that period
- 10:44of consolidation and cleanup to what looks like aggressive yet prudent expansion.
- 10:50Aggressive but prudent. OK.
- 10:51Their immediate focus, naturally, is to keep growing the two core businesses
- 10:56they have left, the roofing and the trading operations.
- 10:58Makes sense. But the real shift, I think, is in how they plan to use that capital,
- 11:03that S-52 million dollars.
- 11:04They explicitly state in the report they will be actively exploring new investment
- 11:09opportunities to enhance shareholders' value. Right.
- 11:11And they've got the cash ready to back that up. Exactly.
- 11:14That S-52 million dollars is sitting there waiting to be deployed.
- 11:17So this sounds a bit like a hunting license, doesn't it? They've got the funds,
- 11:21they've got the mandate from the board, presumably, to go shopping for new investments.
- 11:26Potentially outside their current
- 11:27comfort zone of metal roofing and mining equipment. Potentially, yes.
- 11:32They are definitely ready, but they're framing it quite carefully.
- 11:35They do acknowledge that the global economic outlook is still pretty uncertain.
- 11:39True. So they use the phrase, they will exercise prudence in managing challenges
- 11:44while they seek out those new opportunities.
- 11:47That word prudence, I think, is key here. It suggests they're not just going
- 11:51to throw money around wildly.
- 11:52They'll be looking for deals that really add value. Sensible approach given the macro environment.
- 11:57And you can see this cautious approach reflected in their dividend policy for
- 12:00the quarter as well. Ah, dividends. What did they do? They declared no dividend.
- 12:05And they explicitly stated the reason.
- 12:08They considered it necessary to conserve cash for future operations,
- 12:12specifically in view of the group's business strategy.
- 12:16Okay, so they're clearly signaling growth first.
- 12:19Reinvesting that cash pile is the priority over immediate shareholder payouts.
- 12:24That seems to be the message, yes.
- 12:26Prioritizing capital growth and strategic investment right now.
- 12:29Right. So to wrap up our deep dive into Lion Asia Pack Limited's first quarter
- 12:33then, it seems the period was really defined by this huge balance sheet cleanup.
- 12:38A massive accounting formality that, yes, it generated a scary headline statutory
- 12:43loss, but it completely obscured what looks like extremely strong operational momentum underneath.
- 12:50The company saw an 88 percent revenue surge in its core continuing businesses.
- 12:54And it emerged from selling off that subsidiary with this really impressive
- 12:58war chest of over S-52 million dollars in cash, which they've explicitly earmarked
- 13:04for future strategic investments.
- 13:05Yeah, and the crucial takeaway here, I think, for you, the listener,
- 13:08is the absolute necessity of looking beyond just that bottom line net loss figure,
- 13:13especially when there are disposals involved.
- 13:14That $9.333 million currency derecognition, it was a one-time accounting cleanup.
- 13:20Historical baggage being cleared out. Exactly.
- 13:23Tied to a successful divestiture that actually brought in a major cash boost.
- 13:26The real story here is that operational growth in the remaining business and
- 13:30the very strong, very liquid financial foundation they've now laid for potentially
- 13:35significant future strategic action. Okay, so here is the provocative thought
- 13:39we want to leave you with to explore on your own.
- 13:42Given the group's new stated focus on enhancing shareholder value,
- 13:46and given its substantial cash reserves, S52 million dollars,
- 13:49and also considering its established expertise in commodities,
- 13:53trading, construction-related materials…,
- 13:55What kind of new investment opportunity, maybe geographically or perhaps industrially,
- 13:59do you think would be the most logical, the most value accretive next move for
- 14:03LineAsiaPAC to make? Where should they deploy that cash?