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676. For Now: Boundaries, Belonging, and the Return-to-Work Reset · Daily Influence

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Daily Influence, I'm Greg Lino.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today I'm excited to welcome Barbara Palmer, founder of your fourth trimester, top broad at broad perspective consulting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Barbara brings over 30 years of experience cross leadership, corporate culture, and professional development with a deep focus on supporting women through pivotable career and life transitions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: especially the return to work after becoming a parent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Her work helps people navigate those oh shit moments with clarity, confidence, and responsibility, creating positive ripple effects at work, at home, and in the communities they touch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Barbara, welcome to Daily Influence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for having me to ground our listeners, can you share a bit about your background and what led you to the work you're doing today, especially your focus on leadership parental transitions and influence in the workplace don't forget to tell us about your title top rock absolutely will start there actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a double on taundra, broad perspective means that we bring a broad perspective based on my background to every engagement, every conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my experience, it's my maturity, we'll use that as the word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my years in businesses and different types of businesses, but it's also a uniquely female perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is where I approach all of my engagements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: female perspective was really important to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so top broad fits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it gives a bit of a wink and a, you know, chuckle to women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not sit as well oftentimes with men, but that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, that's who I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to offer perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to look at things differently, often arms length gives me less emotion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My experience gives me an opportunity to
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that background is that I was a marketer by trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a marketer and entertainment, finance, technology, I ran a digital agency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I always look at things through the eyes of who is consuming your words, your product, your services.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I coach, when I offer perspective, it is that top-rod perspective brought in nature, female in positioning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that journey really sets the stage for the impact that you're having now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that really stood out to me is how you describe the transition into parenthood as one of those major ocean moments in life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did that realization lead to the creation of your fourth trimester?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And why is that moment such a critical point for positive and responsible influence?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually a coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was coaching based on my experience high potential leaders and oftentimes those were folks right in their child decision making years and one of the women that I was working with was about to have her second child and she was the muse for the program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a hot mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was totally different this time around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The child was different being the parent of a second child was different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I realized is this was a time where very little support was available and I could offer that support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the program itself supports a new parent, woman or man, out to parental leave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I only work with companies that have adequate parental leave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a replacement for bonding time or healing time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to offer the support to those employees, first you want them to go out in a calm and clear way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want them to set the team up for success.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want there to be transition planning and contingency planning and all of those things if possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say if possible because we don't know when this baby is coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes they come before we're fully prepared and we fully transitioned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the beginning of their relationship, and then we re-engage about a month before the employee is coming back to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At that point they have been an employee, they have been a parent, but they haven't been a working parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my job in those 30 days prior to return and in the 90 days post-return is really to help with that very big life transition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to have new ways of working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your ambition may have changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly your priorities have changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for both
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, birthing and non birthing parents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really critical time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I do this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I do this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I articulate what I need and what I need now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is different for your first, your third.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm working with someone who is having their fifth child this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so the coaching really transcends what that experience looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I am their person in their court, helping them blend work and parenting into the vision of who they want to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's powerful is how that doesn't just affect one person that affects so many others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the corporations that I work with who purchased my services on behalf of their employees understand that they understand that an unhappy employee means, you know, burden on the team, possible risk of business or revenue, and so how do we support someone
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, this is an investment in the success of the individual, but like you said, the full team, the full organization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it really speaks volumes to culture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can say that you're parent friendly, but are you actually living that in this program really sets that up for support and gives managers also a sounding board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How should I approach this with the employee?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to push them too hard, but I also need them to step into the role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, you're
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In our IN team series, we talk a lot about how a self-leadership shapes team outcomes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did the simple practical tools you provide new parents change the way they show up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not just for their children, but for their partners, their teams, and their organizations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tips that I use, I'm using in the context of new parenthood, but really they should be for anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should have a balanced work day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should work and work hard and be productive, and then we should move into our life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For a lot of people you are automatically given a boundary when you have a child, but the single person who's training for a marathon should be able to get to the gym or get out on their run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The person who wants to be in a relationship should get to that
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[SPEAKER_01]: and make sure that they're taking care of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to prioritize exercise, so one of the tips that I use I'll share here, I think, is for everyone, which is to block your last hour of your workday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Set a standing invitation with yourself, which then gives you the the power, the parameters, the boundary to be able to say to someone
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm not available at that hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if we needed another time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or someone reaches out and says, hey, it looks like you're not available at 4 p.m. Can we set a meeting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I have a hard stop at 4.30 or 5, whatever that looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what does that last hour look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Calendarin bike goes off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do I have to finish?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on deadline, someone's waiting on me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be a good steward of the work that I'm doing, get it done in the next hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do I want to finish?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to take it into the evening or the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what's my to-do list for tomorrow?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's critical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Put it on your calendar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I sit down at 8 a.m. tomorrow, I'm going to start on ABC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's taken care of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to think about getting back online or working late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have daycare or a man need to relieve, then that hour, obviously, you're going to honor it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I should honor my workout or my meeting with my girlfriend or my therapist appointment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is not parenting generated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is each individual and I'm going to feel better and more accomplished if I work to that end of day and not just work until the work is gone because it's never really gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is great advice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that blocking off the last hour of the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people saved that kind of stuff for first thing in the morning, but if you do it the day before and block that time off, you can really come in full speed ahead in the morning and it's already planned out for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you sit down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get immediately productive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You also get a good night's sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not in your head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm afraid I'm not going to get this done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's already on the calendar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look at eight 45 and look at what I need to do starting at nine o'clock great advice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you share a moment or story where you saw firsthand the positive impact that you work when you realize this is why this matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like every conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that reminder and I think that that is the power of the work that I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really feel the impact when someone comes in, you feel the tension, you feel the distress, you feel that they're overwhelmed, and you leave the call and they've got actionable things to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they say, people are very articulate, oh my gosh, I feel so much better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what we were going to talk about, and now I've got these actionable tips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or thank you so much for just offering that perspective and really that's what I'm there to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm there to be a sounding board a confidential resource and to understand the workings of the business, which I think is really important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't replace a therapist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a therapist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't replace, you know, your internal HR department, but I'm a neutral third party who understands what it's like to operate a business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I've called this morning, and after she told me what was going on, I said, we're going to start with some tough love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your manager is sending you notes outside of business hours because you're responding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't hold your boundary, why should she?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you accept those calls, if you accept those texts, then you are telling her it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tough love, you got to stop answering, or you need to say, I need a new way of working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to know is this urgent and I need to respond now or are you just having stream of consciousness and I can wait until I sit down at 9 a.m. And that's hard, but you can't tell me you have good boundaries and allow people to go through your boundaries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is so, so true, you know, your work spans both deeply human moments in very modern workplaces.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you using AI or technology in your work today?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you are, how are you using it thoughtfully while still keeping leadership empathy and responsibility of the center?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, AI is the hot topic, and everybody's talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not a super user.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually on vacation earlier this month in New Zealand with my bestie, and he made me go through some AI exercises with him, so I could get more comfortable with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could understand the power and also had to use it as a tool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it will be a great tool the way that I use it is, think about a working parent who gets on the call and says,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not figured out how to eat a dinner in the past two months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great, that's a place where AI can be a great tool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you say, I want to meal these are the five ingredients I have in the kitchen and I want to prepare it in less than ten minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See what you come up with and especially for working fathers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I'm working with a dad and he wants to be helpful to his partner, how can he be more helpful?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't say what's for dinner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: say, hey, I've prepared or here's a great recipe that I found.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take us less than 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What can you participate in and make it more equitable in what that mental load looks like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's going to be a great tool for me and in this area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still do believe for the work that I'm doing, particularly on your fourth trimester.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is very much tied to my expertise and my empathy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can it generate a, you know, a customized letter or an email out to someone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but when I follow up on a conversation, what are those little moments that someone feels heard and seen and supported?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want that to be replaced by a tool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want that to be my secret touch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's so true, speaking of your fourth trimester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you come up with that name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My friend Denuzzi, and he is a master marketer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a great brander, and it is very intentional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every word matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not the fourth trimester.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody goes through a fourth trimester.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's yours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is specific to you and your needs?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is important to you is important to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of the reasons why I do it one on one and not in a cohort setting because a cohort, we go to the loudest voice in the room, the most confident voice, and so we may be talking about sleep deprivation and you're thinking about how am I going on my first business trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone else may be talking about a great supportive manager and you're sitting there going I don't have a great supportive manager or environment and so I think it's really important that it's your experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is this period of returning back after having been a parent and how do we heal and how do we become the person you are version 2.0 3.0.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your organization knew who you were before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to make sure that they know that you
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[SPEAKER_01]: your ways of working, your hours of working, your focus and attention, even your aspirations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to assign to someone that they don't want to go up the proverbial ladder when they get back from parent to leave, but I also want to support if you don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do you have that conversation with your manager?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would love to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what you want and let me support you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do the best job I can in the job I'm in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be promoted right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about that in a while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's a really great point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the past couple of years, three to be exact, you've been living and working no-med style.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Moving monthly and immersing yourself in local communities, how has that experience shaped your perspective on leadership, belonging, and influence?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has been a really incredible experience and something that I didn't expect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I first decided to go no mad, the reasons where my kids had grown in flown, I was living in a house that was too big with too much stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought this would be a great opportunity while I'm healthy and my parents are independent and my kids are independent to go and explore the parts of the country that I had not been in before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've lived on the East Coast, lived on the West Coast, what's in the middle?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I set out for an eight month adventure living month to month in different locations with a couple of rules one is I wasn't staying with anyone is their guest second was I was working remotely so my day is not go out and explore my day is put in a good day's work and what do I do in the evening and then live like a local so I don't want to hear where should I go to eat when I get to a community because that's going to be the nicest fanciest showbook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want, where do you go when you are looking for the best taco, the best cinnamon roll, or any of those things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I live like a local for 30 days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What it's taught me about leadership is, first of all, I can work from anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm incredibly privileged in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also that people are really great everywhere I go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to be helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to guide you on this experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think leading with curiosity rather than judgment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: getting to a town and not judging it based on the first place you go or the first person or experience that you have Going to water aerobics in some random town and talking to the people in the pool That's a great way to know the community and meet the teachers and the person who's gardening and that it's time to plant the tulips Whatever that looks like so I think it's been an incredible experience that went from eight months to now almost three years
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is your favorite place that you've been to?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the one question that I don't answer and that is because I have been to so many great places and each place has had great parts and parts that I just don't need to visit again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that the place is bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It means that it didn't align with whatever I was looking for at the time or I couldn't see myself there long term and so I'd rather say that every experience has been perfect just when it happened and I look back and I had incredible bucket list moments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: during this journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of those bucket lists were really how did they fill me up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I meet someone who's now become a lifelong friend?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I have an incredible conversation with a stranger and just walk away more enriched and more fulfilled?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it has touched me in ways that I never could have expected and I just got a new tattoo that says all who wander are not lost and that really sums up for me what this experience has been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have been wandering but I've been anything
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[SPEAKER_02]: a beautiful response Barbara.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've just been living in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is really what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first house that I went to was generously offered to me by my friends, a home that I had been to many times, but they were not using.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a sign when I got there that said, do all the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it lists about 30 things to do in 30 days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that became the mantra for the trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what my kids say to me when they feel like I've been too reclusive or sitting in the house too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you doing all the things mom or oh, you don't want to go to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you got to do all the things and it frankly gets me off my ass and gets me out the door because it's really easy to nest in a place that you don't know anyone and to challenge yourself to go outside of your comfort zone to be proud of yourself in many ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one word I don't use people use it toward me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say, oh, you're so brave to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't consider this brave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm living quite the bougie life in very nice Airbnb's and a nice communities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think there's a lot of bravery involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple of moments that maybe I didn't feel as accomplished as I could have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, this is about curiosity and meeting people where they are in realizing the commonality of kindness and goodness
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[SPEAKER_01]: In that way, it's just been an incredibly life-changing experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with all of these experiences in mind for listeners who want to keep making a positive difference, whether they're navigating parenthood, leadership, mate, or major life-transition, what message or words of encouragement would you like to leave with them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two words are my favorite, which are for now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is for now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if it doesn't feel good, if it's not going the way that you hope or it expected, this is a for now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make a different choice, make a different decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you get to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to work, you get to engage with people, you get to raise wonderful children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you send that message out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm making positive choices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying it's easy to change jobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's easy to have difficult conversations in the office or to raise children, but if you can look at it for now, this is difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My child's not sleeping there, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've transitioned off of breastfeeding, whatever your situation is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a for now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will be replaced by a different for now, but if it feels like you don't see the end insight and there isn't light, then what can you do to make change?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What resources can you tap?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where can you learn?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where AI does come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are some of the things that I could be doing differently to make this job better to make this situation different or to parent in a way that more aligns with your values.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is great advice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Barbara, thank you for sharing your wisdom, your honesty, and the real reminder that for now is the way to do with life's hardest moments and manners, not just to show us, but to everyone around us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your work is a powerful example of responsible influence and action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If our listeners want to get in touch with you, what is the best way to do so?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Best places to follow me are Instagram at top broad on LinkedIn, Barbara Palmer, and my website where you can connect to everything is broadperspectiveconsulting.com, and you can find all of my programs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find your fourth trimester there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can also find my blog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Wisdom for your OShit moments, and they are short little ditties meant to just have you think and provoke some prompts and some thoughts about how you apply them to your life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll put all that information on the show notes, Barbara.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining and sharing your stories and all your advice today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so grateful for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to have met you and thank you for your time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for our listeners, thank you for tuning in to Daily Influence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope today's conversation brought you inside an inspiration.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's spoke to you, share it with someone who could use a little positivity today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, small actions create big impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Keep showing up, leading, and growing one data time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Until next time, stay inspired and keep having a positive, responsible influence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye-bye.