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Tripping Through Uncanny Valley · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  Congratulations, you found the pop culture junkie podcast.
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  I'm Olivia here with Shauna.
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  And Shauna, you know, you've had quite the week.
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  I have lost my girl to much bigger publications.
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  - Yes. - She is going big leagues.
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  So tell the listeners a little bit
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  about what you have been up to, Shauna.
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  I've been working my ass on all women everywhere.
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  - Yes, okay, we're getting a little political.
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  - Yeah, I think so. - Yeah, I think so.
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  We live in Arizona and abortion is on the ballot
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  this year in Arizona. - Yes.
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  - So it is Proposition 139.
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  And I work full time for the Yes on 139 campaign,
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  which would solidify abortion rights
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  in the state of Arizona.
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  So it has been crazy busy leading up to Election Day.
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  But it's always very fulfilling and amazing
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  and I've been loving it.
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  So we've been doing some press interviews
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  and I've been interviewed by the New York Times
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  a couple of times.
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  - Oh, yes.
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  - Yes, including for their podcast, The Daily.
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  - Yes, guys. - You're here first.
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  If you're a pop culture junkie listener,
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  you saw her here before The Daily Day.
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  - Before The Daily, I was a Pop Culture Junkie.
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  Always and forever.
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  And then The New Yorker.
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  So once all these come out,
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  I'll make sure to send them your way.
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  - Yeah, absolutely.
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  But yeah, so we've just been working really hard
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  on solidifying abortion rights in Arizona
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  and we're gonna have a postcard party here coming up.
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  And speaking of abortion rights in Arizona,
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  the Pop Culture Junkie podcast are going to be
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  the masters of ceremonies.
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  - Sounds so serious.
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  - It does, doesn't it?
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  - For Zombie Prom 2024, for all of our Arizona listeners,
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  still, we love you out of Arizona listeners.
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  - Yes. - Come visit us.
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  - Yes, yeah, come if you want,
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  but if you want to meet your Junkies in person,
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  we're actually gonna be fundraising for Planned Parenthood.
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  And it'll be at the Casual Pint.
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  - Would you ever think of the Casual Pint?
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  - Yeah, they love us.
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  We love them.
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  We really can't be working with them.
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  They're such a great bar and organization.
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  - Oh, absolutely.
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  They're so supportive of everything that we do.
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  So it's gonna be October 11th from 7 to 11 PM
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  at the Casual Pint, Central Phoenix.
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  We will be our hostesses with the most.
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  - And most is the years of the ghouls and shows.
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  - Yeah, and it's $5 if you ticket.
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  - It's $5 a ticket.
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  - And that $5 a go right to Planned Parenthood.
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  - Yeah, so all that goes directly to it.
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  There's some fun things that we're gonna be doing,
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  like a brain eating, a competition.
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  - Yeah, our friend Stephanie's making the brain.
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  - Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  - She's practicing.
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  - Last year we had a last minute brain for paw
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  and it did not turn into brain.
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  - We ran out of brain.
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  - Yeah, we ran out of brain.
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  - It's been a fresh brain.
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  - If you've listened to this podcast,
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  you already know that.
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  (laughing)
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  - We haven't had brains in 35 years.
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  - No, but it's been really cool.
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  And I think for me, I'm just so proud of you
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  for all the work that you've been doing.
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  - Thank you.
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  - It's not easy to knock on a door every single day
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  and in the great state of Arizona,
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  we do not know what door you are knocking on.
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  - We've got some interesting interactions.
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  One dude just opened his door shirtless,
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  which is rubbing his belly.
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  (laughing)
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  And I was like, "Hey, I'm gonna talk about Prop 139."
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  He's like, "Yeah, so, right."
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  And just kind of like going around the belly button
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  a little too aggressively.
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  And I was like,
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  "You just built, yes, here's the floor."
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  - He took it back.
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  - He was gonna vote for abortion, though.
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  - He did, he's like, "All right."
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  He was feeling his umbilical cord.
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  And he was like, "Yeah, yeah."
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  - I got a little...
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  (laughing)
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  - He didn't earn acid deep.
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  So he's voting yes, though.
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  - Yeah, so...
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  - So I love that.
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  So yes, but I'm not serving beer as Salil Nasex.
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  I am walking door to door for abortion rights.
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  - Or I'm listening to a podcast with you.
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  - Or speaking to a New York Times reporter.
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  - You know, you know.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  So, and that's been pretty cool to see, you know,
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  just your journey with it.
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  So I'm proud of you.
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  - I need it so much to be proud of you.
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  (laughing)
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  - And, you know, no matter your affiliation,
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  we want to fight for woman's rights to choose.
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  - Absolutely.
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  - That's where we are.
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  - 100%.
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  - What have you been up to?
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  - I haven't seen you in ages.
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  I know you were like, "Gravely ill."
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  - Oh, well, you were not going to talk to me.
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  - Well, you were not going to talk to me.
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  So I was hospitalized and I lost 20 pounds.
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  - You look incredible.
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  - You look like you didn't before.
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  - Thank you, no, I've been quite sick.
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  So. - We do not endorse you.
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  - You see 20 pounds from sickness and just really that.
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  (laughing)
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  - But in my very sickness, I have been watching a ton of movies,
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  a ton of shows, some nostalgia.
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  Like every time I get really sick,
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  I have to rewatch the vampire diaries.
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  And that's why it's my comfort show.
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  - Mine used to be the OC when I got really sick.
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  I would have to rewatch the OC.
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  - Oh, it's so good.
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  I also, another one that I've started to put into the mix
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  is Desperate Housewives.
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  - I was thinking about starting that
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  because I've been seeing a lot of clips
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  on Instagram reels and it looks really funny.
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  - It's, you've never seen it.
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  Oh my gosh, okay, it gets a little cookie towards the end.
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  Like all TV shows that should have ended.
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  - But the first couple of seasons are so good.
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  You should watch it.
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  - And it's quite the time capsule of the 2000s.
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  - Of like, okay, what was it like to be
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  or a publican before MAGA?
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  - Ooh, are they all republicans?
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  - And like rich ladies.
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  - There's one who's free, who's like an NRA,
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  like perfect mother, like a republican.
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  And so it's kind of interesting to like look
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  at those archetypes of mothers and women.
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  And I think during its time,
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  it was such an influential show
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  because they were never showing women of that age.
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  - Yeah, absolutely.
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  - They're all one of their cities.
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  - Yeah, they're all housewives.
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  - Are they desperate?
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  - Yeah, they are desperate.
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  And of course it created the iconic
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  real housewives.
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  - I always get them mixed up.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, so it created a lot of iconic pop culture
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  that we see today.
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  But one movie that I really wanted to talk about
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  that is incredibly pertinent to everything going on
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  in pop culture that I know you and I both saw.
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  - Oh my gosh.
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  - Blink twice.
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  - So, and so I'm gonna try not to spoil it.
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  This is Zoe Kravitz, directorial debut
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  and screenplay writing debut.
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  - She killed it.
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  - And I, like, of course, so Zoe Kravitz has been
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  a NEPO baby her entire life.
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  - She's in your NEPO baby car.
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  - She's in my NEPO baby car.
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  I love that woman so much.
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  But obviously she has been in pop culture
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  and has clearly been to a lot of ditty parties
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  within her life.
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  - And you can tell from this movie.
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  - Yeah, and so Blink twice is incredibly good.
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  Chaining Tatum is in it and plays a very unconventional role.
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  He is this wealthy billionaire and it kind of starts out
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  with him like doing your standard YouTuber apology.
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  - Yeah, I'm taking time to work on my mental health.
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  - Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, kind of Jeff Bezos type character.
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  - And so I watched the movie and I can't even begin to tell.
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  It's so good.
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  Like go see it in theaters, pay the $20 on Amazon Prime
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  to actually rent and watch it.
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  - I saw in theaters for the first time
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  and then when I was over at your house
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  and you wanted to rewatch it the next day.
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  - Yeah, I watched it.
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  I was like, it's so good.
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  I had to rewatch it again.
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  - Watch because you catch things
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  that you didn't the first time around.
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  And then you talked to me about the color theory.
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  - Yes.
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  - And again, we don't want to spoil it because it's so good.
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  But like different colors throughout the movie.
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  - Represent different things.
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  - Represent different things that are going on
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  in the character's lives.
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  And it is so feminist.
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  - It's the most feminist movie.
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  It's so good.
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  So he craves did amazing.
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  Channing Tatum takes on a very different role
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  than you've ever seen him in.
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  - Yeah, he absolutely crushes it.
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  - He's so good.
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  - Lots of actors in that movie where they pop up
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  and you're like, oh shit, they're in this?
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  Oh wow, look at that.
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  - Yeah, you're like, oh my gosh.
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  And with everything going on with Diddy,
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  all the comporter, now Eric Adams being indicted,
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  it is really, really, really relevant.
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  - Very timely.
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  - It's crazy that Zoe Kravitz released this movie.
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  Right as all this was happening with her history.
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  And it really does feel like a kind of a glimp,
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  like an artistic glimpse into what the hell is going on.
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  - Yeah, and she made it seem
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  like she's seen some shit.
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  And you could watch this movie and think,
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  oh this is just fiction, but it's, oh god.
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  - Oh no, oh god.
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  - This is a glimpsum.
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  - Into what's going down.
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  - Yeah, and I have always kind of been this
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  conspiratorial crazy, like a podcast.
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  - And I'm right out of this side of the podcast
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  where I'm like, there's some weird stuff going on.
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  - I'm doing a Hollywood shit.
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  - Like I remember talking about Justin Bieber and Diddy,
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  like months and months and months ago.
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  And then now all this stuff is coming up.
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  And so I watched that movie and with all the Diddy stuff
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  going on right now, like I have not stopped thinking about.
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  - It's one of those movies that stick with you
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  and you keep thinking of other little things that happen
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  in the movie that you're like, oh gosh,
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  I wonder what that meant.
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  Or like you didn't realize it until you were laying
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  in bed or brushing your teeth.
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  And you're like, oh my god,
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  I didn't even think about it that way.
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  - Yeah, and we haven't done a Diddy Jeep dive
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  in all the allegations just because there is
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  so much coming out.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And it's been really, really hard today
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  as of where we're recording.
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  120 additional allegations have been filed against him.
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  There's a cross-action lawsuit.
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  - Oh my gosh.
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  - That got filed today.
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  I mean, I think we're gonna continue to see more
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  and more and more clear about it.
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  - Oh my gosh, but I think people fall down.
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  But there are a lot of great YouTubers and podcasters
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  covering the topic.
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  - You've never heard the name Jaguar, right?
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  She is spitting truth.
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  - I have not really.
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  - Jaguar, right? Like W.I. are.
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  - Yeah, yes.
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  - Okay.
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  - So she's actually got kind of sounding
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  the alarm on Diddy four years and years and years.
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  And everyone was like, oh, she's kooky.
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  Like no one believes her.
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  'Cause she just didn't make it.
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  - Women are hysterical for things.
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  I was just talking about this today at the other job.
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  The day job.
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  People, women are always accused of being hysterical
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  about things and then we end up being right.
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  - And then it takes 200 people to say,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  - But like over and over again with its stuff like this
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  when they're saying, no, this guy's a creep, listen to us
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  or no like, rovy way, it's gonna be over turned.
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  Please listen to us.
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  Oh, no, you're overreacting.
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  You're just being hysterical, right?
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  And that's kind of this movie.
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  It's, I mean, I, again, no spoilers,
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  but it's a lot of, oh, you're just overreacting.
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  - Yeah, I mean, it's fun.
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  - Gaslighting.
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  - Yes, yes, yes.
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  If you haven't seen it, yeah, go watch it.
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  It's so good.
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  And it's a great piece of media and original media,
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  which I think we're really have been missing
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  within this world quite a bit.
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  But yeah, those, definitely say I started
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  Desperate Housewives.
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  - Where can you watch Desperate Housewives?
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  - It's on Hulu.
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  - It's, yeah.
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  - So.
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  - I'm gonna do it.
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  - Yeah, I'm gonna show it.
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  It's worth it.
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  - I'll take a break from my disaster movies
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  that I watch every Thursday.
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  - Yeah, the disaster movie is canvassing.
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  I think you need like a little happy.
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  - No, I can't miss all day and talk to people
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  about trying to restore bodily autonomy to women.
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  And then I go home and I'm like,
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  what's the most violent tragic movie I could watch?
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  - Have I watched a day after tomorrow?
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  - That is my comfort movie though.
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  I love that movie so much.
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  - It is, but yeah, and we're--
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  - There are acutubates of Catholicism
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  and I have to like it.
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  - Yeah.
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  (laughing)
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  - That's the reason you like the movie.
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  - I was an acutococaptain.
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  - Okay.
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  - We never got to go to New York though.
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  - Oh, I was a math lead.
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  - Okay.
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  - Sure.
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  - What's 300 plus, or should I give a round number?
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  - 300 plus four.
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  - 300 times 1,475.
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  - Let me just say that math was my worst subject.
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  - Okay, but then how are you a math lead?
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  - Because that's what they call it in Mean Girls.
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  That was a joke.
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  - Okay.
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  - That's what the kids at the bus stop used to call me.
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  - You know, fake news.
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  (laughing)
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  Fake news.
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  - No, I was good at speech.
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  I was great at speeches 'cause I'd be talking.
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  - Go figure.
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  - Bitch, be talking.
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  - Go figure.
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  - I love that.
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  I love that.
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  Okay, let's go into our topic somehow from there.
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  - Well, as we begin our favorite month of the year,
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  we wanted to talk about a little thing
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  that causes spooky feelings in us
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  that might not just be horror.
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  And we wanted to talk about this thing called
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  uncanny valley.
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  So, Sean, do you know what uncanny valley is?
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  - Uncanny valley is a theory proposed in 1970
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  by Japanese robot assist Masihiro Mori.
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  The term uncanny valley is a translation
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  from the Japanese phrase,
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  "Wukimi no tani," which was later translated into English
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  by a British person.
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  We're not gonna say that name.
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  - Yeah.
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  - The Japanese name, Chihizo Rikari in 1978.
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  - So the theory is that as an object becomes more human
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  like an appearance, people's affinity towards it increases.
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  But at a certain point, the object is almost human,
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  but not quite there.
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  It evokes feelings of like ayriness or like a brother ew
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  like something is off.
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  It's just not right in uncannyness.
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  The sudden drop in affinity creates that valley.
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  So when we're like, "Oh, it looks like a person."
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  I like that oh god, it looks too much like a person,
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  but something's off, something's off.
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  Then it's the valley.
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  - Yeah, and it's very scientific.
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  Again, we're not gonna, you know,
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  explain the theory of Masihiro,
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  but really it becomes this common occurrence
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  within humans where if something looks human like,
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  but isn't quite there,
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  creates a sense of deep unsettling within us.
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  So it's always, things that don't create
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  on Canny Valley from here like the Avatar movie, right?
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  Because they're humanoid.
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  - Yeah, they're human, yeah, they're blue.
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  They're humanoid, but you know they're not supposed
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  to be humans, right?
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  Or like Sanos, he's humanoid.
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  But it doesn't create that Iqfactor in me
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  because he's so far removed still from being human.
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  - I think it's just called that.
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  - Every example you get was like,
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  - Sanos has purple.
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  - The weird chin and there's different things
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  that don't create on Canny Valley.
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  It's when they are so close to having it down,
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  but there's still that one thing off
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  that you're like, this isn't quite right for me.
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  Like Princess Leia and Rogue One, right?
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  So she shows up at the end and it's supposed
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  to be a D.H. Carrie Fisher and they do such a good job,
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  and it's almost there, but there's something
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  a little too waxy about her face.
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  She's a little dead behind the eyes,
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  and so it creates that unease because you know
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  that they're trying to convince you
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  that that's really Carrie Fisher and that's a human,
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  but it's definitely not.
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  - Yeah, and it's so interesting to me
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  because when I think about the uncanny Valley theory,
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  to me, it's like I always wanna go back to
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  what in human evolution made us feel that way.
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  For it to be such a human experience
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  and a natural thing for us to do,
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  like we're just unsettling.
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  Like what is it about that came from human evolution
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  for us to get there?
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  And that's where we put on our tinfoil hat
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  in this little theory here is you know,
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  the further that you go down, you know,
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  you say like, oh, I don't like going to Madame Tussos
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  because it really creeps me out.
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  And you know, they're just waxy and like there's something wrong,
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  like those don't creep me out as much
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  because I know their wax and like they're not moving
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  and no one's trying to convince me that they're real.
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  But I could see how that would give other people in here.
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  - Oh, it gives me such a meaning.
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  - I can see that.
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  - Especially if they're bad.
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  Like if they're really good, then I'm like,
• 17:03
  oh shit, that really looks like Lady Gaga.
• 17:05
  - Yeah.
• 17:06
  - And I realize it's like,
• 17:07
  - Don't you think Lady Gaga's not look like Lady Gaga?
• 17:09
  - It's at different museums.
• 17:10
  - Okay, different.
• 17:11
  We got the very big grade Madame Tussos.
• 17:15
  - I think you go to like the dollar store
• 17:17
  and like the Uma is, I wanna look at it.
• 17:20
  - Okay, 'cause I feel like I've seen
• 17:21
  the really bad Madame Tussos.
• 17:23
  - The really bad Madame Tussos.
• 17:24
  - If they're really bad, then it gives me that unease
• 17:26
  'cause it's not even close to human like,
• 17:29
  but if it looks good, then I'm like,
• 17:31
  then I just appreciate for the art that it is.
• 17:33
  But I could see how it could give other people
• 17:35
  like they're too dead behind the eyes.
• 17:37
  There's something creepy about it.
• 17:39
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 17:40
  And there's like a lot of psychological studies
• 17:43
  that people have gone through to say like, okay,
• 17:46
  what is it?
• 17:48
  And they haven't necessarily like nailed down
• 17:50
  why they think it is that this phenomenon
• 17:54
  happens within us.
• 17:56
  Some some sign to say,
• 17:58
  hey, we're its pathogen avoidance.
• 18:00
  So it's our body's trying to say like, okay, don't get sick.
• 18:04
  Or you know, if it's a kind of a mismatch theory,
• 18:09
  it's a threat avoidance and it's all a meat selection.
• 18:13
  - The meat selection one is my favorite one
• 18:15
  because if you see something that's not quite humanoid,
• 18:18
  you're like, they can't have my babies.
• 18:21
  - Yeah.
• 18:22
  - I can't insuminate that thing.
• 18:23
  - Yeah, where it's like, is it just that, you know,
• 18:27
  we, because we've seen it where attractive people
• 18:31
  are more than likely to get away with crimes
• 18:34
  just because they are attractive.
• 18:37
  We're more trusting of people who are attractive.
• 18:39
  - We were just talking about this study
• 18:41
  that they show kids like a picture of a
• 18:44
  conventionally attractive person
• 18:46
  and then a conventionally unattractive person,
• 18:50
  I guess by whatever societal standards you want to say that.
• 18:52
  And the kid, they're like, which one is nicer
• 18:55
  and the kid always points to the pretty person?
• 18:58
  Which one do you trust more?
• 19:00
  Which one's evil?
• 19:01
  And it's always, yeah.
• 19:02
  - Yeah, and it's really, really interesting just to look at it.
• 19:06
  And then my and a lot of the darker side
• 19:10
  of the internet ones, is species recognition.
• 19:15
  And so this kind of comes by, if you've heard of
• 19:19
  on Cani Valley and you're on the wrong side of the internet,
• 19:22
  this is where you get into the lizard people,
• 19:25
  the skin walkers, your form, your story, the story.
• 19:29
  - I know, I keep bringing it up.
• 19:31
  (laughing)
• 19:34
  But, you know, I think that it is such an interesting question
• 19:38
  of why does it create this feeling of unsettlingness
• 19:43
  where we've evolved to feel about way.
• 19:47
  - I think we've just all day, every day,
• 19:49
  it's impossible to avoid seeing another human.
• 19:53
  Even if you don't leave your house,
• 19:54
  you're likely to look in the mirror, right?
• 19:56
  You are, unless you've got all the mirrors in your house.
• 20:00
  - What are we going to swine?
• 20:01
  We're going to get full plastic surgery.
• 20:03
  - Yeah, right.
• 20:05
  Where you're divergent.
• 20:06
  Where you're like, I don't remember that.
• 20:08
  In that book series, she can't look at herself in the mirror.
• 20:11
  And then she finally does.
• 20:12
  And it's like, wow, I'm hot.
• 20:13
  (laughing)
• 20:16
  But you can't avoid seeing another human.
• 20:18
  So I think even from when we are first born
• 20:22
  and we imprint on our mother's faces
• 20:25
  and we finally start making eye contact
• 20:27
  with our mothers and fathers,
• 20:29
  like we realize what a human face is supposed to look like.
• 20:32
  What life behind the eyes looks like.
• 20:35
  I mean, this is dark too,
• 20:36
  but if you see like a dead body,
• 20:39
  like it gives kind of that uncanny value
• 20:42
  because you know it's a human,
• 20:44
  but there's just something missing.
• 20:45
  It's that spark of life and you're like, yeah.
• 20:48
  - Yeah, I mean, it's a dead body.
• 20:50
  - I mean, it's a dead body.
• 20:50
  - I mean, it's a dead body.
• 20:51
  - I mean, it's a dead body.
• 20:52
  - I mean, it's a dead body.
• 20:53
  - Yeah.
• 20:54
  - Yeah.
• 20:55
  (laughing)
• 20:58
  - But it also, you're like,
• 20:58
  there's just something off about that.
• 21:00
  - Yeah.
• 21:01
  - You could tell the difference
• 21:01
  between dead and sleeping.
• 21:02
  - Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 21:04
  - Yeah, definitely.
• 21:05
  - So there are so many instances
• 21:07
  within pop culture that we feel this
• 21:09
  and we remember.
• 21:11
  And so the phenomenon, although it is quite complex
• 21:14
  and we did not explain it to you in the best,
• 21:17
  I guess if you wanna really go into
• 21:20
  all of the different representations of it,
• 21:23
  we see it all the time and like Elon Musk
• 21:26
  was just pictured with this.
• 21:29
  - He really must give me like,
• 21:30
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 21:31
  - And Sam is a person.
• 21:32
  - Yeah, Sam, he does give on candy valley.
• 21:35
  - But did you see him with that robot lady,
• 21:37
  humanoid thing that he was with?
• 21:39
  - Like a sex robot?
• 21:40
  - Yeah, well, I don't know if that's what I was for,
• 21:42
  but he was at a party.
• 21:43
  - I mean, yeah, that's obvious what it was for.
• 21:45
  - Girl, but.
• 21:46
  - Grimes dumped him.
• 21:47
  - Yeah.
• 21:48
  (laughing)
• 21:49
  - It was step one, danger grime.
• 21:51
  - Step two.
• 21:52
  - To get stuffy to make you the humanoid.
• 21:54
  - Grimes is about as close to dating a robot as you can.
• 21:57
  - I would agree with that.
• 21:58
  - I love her.
• 21:59
  - I would agree with that.
• 22:00
  - She's definitely got robot parts to do with that.
• 22:01
  - Keep going.
• 22:02
  - And, you know, I think there should
• 22:04
  just so many different areas and ways that our brains
• 22:09
  are kind of working with us evolutionary to try to save us.
• 22:12
  But I wanna talk a little bit about
• 22:14
  some uncommon spooky movies right after this break.
• 22:18
  (dramatic music)
• 22:21
  - One of my favorite instances of Uncanny Valley
• 22:26
  that kinda comes to mind when I think of the concept
• 22:30
  is that movie Polar Express from 2004 with Tom Hanks.
• 22:34
  Why didn't they just make it live action?
• 22:36
  - I don't know.
• 22:37
  - Because the character, it's Tom Hanks.
• 22:39
  They make like a CG Tom Hanks.
• 22:42
  - Yeah.
• 22:43
  - They could easily have made this a live action movie
• 22:44
  and I think it would have been a lot better,
• 22:46
  but it's just, they're trying so hard to make them
• 22:49
  look human like that it's so Uncanny and uncomfortable.
• 22:54
  Either make it totally live action
• 22:56
  or make it a part to-- - Or make it more part to me.
• 22:57
  - Exactly.
• 22:58
  That right there in the middle is just,
• 23:00
  see what, sometimes I think it's so interesting
• 23:03
  'cause my brother and I grew up, same life, obviously.
• 23:08
  We moved all the same places.
• 23:09
  We went to all the same schools, even the same college.
• 23:12
  - Date of the same guys.
• 23:13
  - Yeah, totally.
• 23:14
  And so my brother freaking loves this film.
• 23:19
  - We love to put it on every Christmas.
• 23:22
  - Yeah, it makes me feel like Crampus is coming into the home.
• 23:27
  Every time you do this, why are we watching this?
• 23:31
  And so it does depend.
• 23:33
  I think a lot of people are impacted very differently.
• 23:36
  I think one of the ones that really freaks me out
• 23:39
  but it does not fit with the Avatar is Cats.
• 23:44
  - Oh my God, Cats is so Uncanny Valley.
• 23:48
  Because they have human faces.
• 23:49
  - Yes.
• 23:50
  - It's the actual faces of the actors and actresses,
• 23:53
  but then the rest of them is not human.
• 23:55
  - Yeah.
• 23:56
  - I watched this with my friends a couple years ago
• 23:59
  for one of our friends birthday parties made like a sleepover.
• 24:02
  - Did you dress up like the Cats to Cats?
• 24:04
  - We all had to work cat ears.
• 24:05
  - Okay.
• 24:06
  - So we all work cat ears.
• 24:07
  - Did you feel your face to make sure you weren't
• 24:09
  more fit and more?
• 24:10
  - We had a drinking game.
• 24:11
  So every time they said gelical cats, we had to drink.
• 24:15
  - Oh, how fucked up were you?
• 24:16
  - So drunk.
• 24:17
  - Yeah.
• 24:17
  - So I've no idea what a gelical cat is in this day.
• 24:20
  - I don't know, I don't think I ever actually saw
• 24:22
  the Cats music.
• 24:23
  - And whenever the actress Elba appears nude on film.
• 24:27
  - Ooh.
• 24:28
  - I mean, I wish.
• 24:29
  - I would've watched it for that.
• 24:30
  - But he's not, but he's a cat.
• 24:31
  - He's a cat.
• 24:32
  - He's a cat.
• 24:33
  - He's a cat.
• 24:34
  - He's just a cat.
• 24:35
  - So he's not quite naked.
• 24:37
  It's just, it's not appropriate.
• 24:39
  - Okay, so we were very drunk.
• 24:40
  - If it was the wire, each of us Elba.
• 24:42
  - Ooh.
• 24:43
  - Or the Luther each of us Elba.
• 24:45
  - Okay.
• 24:46
  Well, that took me away from my cat.
• 24:47
  - Not cats, not cats.
• 24:48
  - Not cats.
• 24:49
  - No, but literally if you could probably convince me
• 24:53
  Taylor Swift is evil, if the only image I ever saw of her
• 24:56
  was hers that cat.
• 24:58
  - With her cat boobs.
• 24:58
  - Yeah.
• 24:59
  (laughs)
• 25:01
  - I also hated it.
• 25:02
  - We would take away my love of hers.
• 25:03
  - And just go for a photography.
• 25:04
  If that was the only image I ever saw of her.
• 25:06
  - Just in your head.
• 25:07
  - I also hate when they give female cartoon characters
• 25:11
  breasts.
• 25:12
  - Okay.
• 25:14
  - This is a total different tangent.
• 25:15
  - Yeah.
• 25:16
  - But like if you watch old Hannah Barbra cartoon,
• 25:18
  it's like the girl chicken comes up.
• 25:19
  She's got like chicken tints.
• 25:21
  (laughs)
• 25:22
  It makes no sense.
• 25:24
  And the guy chicken just looks like a chicken.
• 25:27
  And she walks up and she's got like a D cup
• 25:29
  and like big lips.
• 25:31
  - And she's like, "You're doing Danny chicken tints."
• 25:33
  - Yes, and like, dude, like we talked about the fish
• 25:37
  from Charles Taylor.
• 25:38
  - Okay, that's a fuck up old fish.
• 25:40
  - Why does she have to be fuckable
• 25:42
  and the other fish is just like,
• 25:44
  but she's the Angelina Jolie fish.
• 25:45
  - It says she but don't give animals tits.
• 25:48
  - Yeah, okay.
• 25:49
  - That's it.
• 25:50
  - That's the end of the episode.
• 25:51
  - That's the end of the episode.
• 25:52
  - So tune in next week for another episode.
• 25:56
  - Yeah, the other example of
• 25:58
  Candy Valley that I really like.
• 26:00
  And the fans made this one better.
• 26:02
  So when the first trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog kind of,
• 26:06
  he looked too human like.
• 26:09
  - Okay.
• 26:09
  - He had like human teeth like chompers.
• 26:13
  - I remember the outrage, but I don't remember the image.
• 26:16
  - It was awful.
• 26:17
  I'll show it to you after this.
• 26:18
  - Maybe it's because of my fear of Uncanny Valley.
• 26:21
  - Yeah. - But like, I just hate it so much.
• 26:23
  - The internet freaked out because
• 26:25
  it didn't look like Sonic from the cartoon,
• 26:28
  the video game, his eyes were far apart like a humans.
• 26:32
  So he had like a bridge between his eyes, he had teeth.
• 26:35
  And everyone was like, that's not Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 26:38
  I don't know what the fuck that thing is,
• 26:40
  but get it away from me.
• 26:42
  Kill it with fire.
• 26:43
  So because the internet freaked out so much,
• 26:47
  the changed the movie and replaced him
• 26:51
  and made him look like the Sonic that we know and love.
• 26:53
  And then it's going on to have,
• 26:55
  it's the third movie for some reason.
• 26:57
  I don't know, I've been seen in movies.
• 26:59
  Hey, the fans got that Uncanny Valley change.
• 27:02
  - Right.
• 27:03
  Some really popular culture, Uncanny Valley examples include
• 27:08
  on top of, you know, polar express.
• 27:10
  That's probably the most renowned.
• 27:11
  - Yeah.
• 27:12
  - Red House.
• 27:13
  - As a monster house.
• 27:16
  I don't think I ever saw that one.
• 27:17
  - Never seen that one.
• 27:18
  - Beowulf.
• 27:19
  - Which, yeah, it, you've got to say.
• 27:21
  - Again, another movie.
• 27:22
  Like why?
• 27:23
  - Make your life action.
• 27:24
  - Yeah, and I think this goes into the AI argument
• 27:29
  of selling digital likeness.
• 27:31
  - Yeah.
• 27:32
  - Now I think it really does become like,
• 27:35
  because sometimes when you do look at these AI
• 27:38
  created images, like people who make their AI
• 27:42
  LinkedIn like headshot or whatever.
• 27:44
  - Oh gosh.
• 27:45
  - You did.
• 27:46
  - They did me Uncanny Valley because the eyes.
• 27:47
  - I miss the eyes.
• 27:48
  - The eyes.
• 27:49
  - It's the eyes, yeah.
• 27:50
  - I think that's it.
• 27:51
  - It's the window to the human soul and life,
• 27:53
  whatever you believe.
• 27:54
  But like it's always in the eyes that you can tell
• 27:56
  that something is not real.
• 27:58
  - Yeah.
• 27:59
  - Another one that I like is Tron Legacy.
• 28:01
  I really like that movie, but they de-age Jeff Bridges
• 28:05
  and de-aged characters have gotten so much better
• 28:07
  over the years.
• 28:08
  - Yeah.
• 28:09
  - Now it's just a filter, baby.
• 28:10
  - Right, literally.
• 28:11
  - I'm moving it to my self-on-chat,
• 28:12
  - Yeah, this is what we look like.
• 28:15
  (laughing)
• 28:16
  - Yeah, well that's actually a really interesting point.
• 28:18
  Like are we going to lose that the more and more we get
• 28:22
  a part of filters in filter face?
• 28:25
  - Right, and I think so.
• 28:26
  I mean, you can tell for the most part still.
• 28:29
  Okay, that person filtered their face.
• 28:31
  That person used face to the extreme.
• 28:34
  - Like seven times.
• 28:35
  - Yeah, but seven times?
• 28:36
  - Seven times.
• 28:37
  - It's a part to tell.
• 28:39
  - It is, it's getting better, but yeah.
• 28:40
  It is kind of interesting to think about that.
• 28:44
  And as we move into a filter world on social media,
• 28:49
  - In plastic surgery.
• 28:52
  - In plastic surgery.
• 28:53
  I mean, have you, okay, two people who I maybe real people,
• 28:58
  I don't know.
• 28:59
  - I don't know.
• 29:00
  - I don't know.
• 29:01
  JD Vance and Mad Gates.
• 29:02
  - Okay.
• 29:03
  - Laura.
• 29:04
  - Mad Gates is plastic surgery.
• 29:06
  - Oh my God.
• 29:07
  - That is so much.
• 29:08
  - Is literally the villain from Incredible.
• 29:11
  - Okay, will you see him recently?
• 29:12
  - Not recently.
• 29:13
  - Is it eyebrows or what?
• 29:15
  - Yes, it's scary.
• 29:16
  - You know what's so funny is we're like,
• 29:18
  we're not gonna, we're not gonna body shape anymore.
• 29:21
  - I'm like, I'm gonna fucking out of my pants.
• 29:23
  - They're my sad, shunistic, fascist,
• 29:25
  - Yeah.
• 29:26
  - That we will body shape.
• 29:26
  - You deserve it.
• 29:27
  You deserve all the shape.
• 29:28
  - Yeah.
• 29:29
  - Yes, it's like at what point do plastic surgery trends
• 29:33
  take over and go so far that people don't look humanoid anymore?
• 29:38
  They don't look like humans anymore.
• 29:39
  - So yeah.
• 29:39
  - If you remove all of your buccal fat
• 29:41
  in your eyebrows or to your hairline and like,
• 29:45
  at what point do you see someone go,
• 29:47
  that's not quite a human anymore.
• 29:49
  - Yeah, no, Google Mac Gates is new face.
• 29:52
  - It's unsettling.
• 29:53
  It's the scariest thing in the world.
• 29:55
  Right before I came here, I was watching the VP debate.
• 29:58
  - And it's my gaze at the VP debate.
• 30:00
  - I'm a big fan.
• 30:01
  - A bunch of fans.
• 30:02
  - I don't know if it's the eyeliner.
• 30:03
  I don't know if it's his inability
• 30:05
  to have a normal human conversation.
• 30:07
  - Say any just a terrible person.
• 30:08
  - Coming from child freak.
• 30:09
  - No freak at, ladies.
• 30:10
  - He just can't, like he doesn't speak
• 30:13
  at a rhythmic pace of a human being.
• 30:16
  Like, we're two people who speak for a living.
• 30:19
  - We do.
• 30:20
  - And for better words.
• 30:20
  - Yeah, for better words.
• 30:21
  And like, I, I, I, it freaks me out.
• 30:24
  Like I don't, I don't know.
• 30:25
  - His voice gives you uncanny down.
• 30:27
  - Just know all of it.
• 30:29
  All of it, like literally.
• 30:31
  - I've never believed in a lizard person till then, you know?
• 30:35
  Like, oh my God.
• 30:36
  - We're getting deep in the kids' work in so far.
• 30:39
  - I love it so much.
• 30:40
  - Maybe I'll watch it tonight when I get home.
• 30:42
  I don't know.
• 30:42
  I need a glass of wine in a nap.
• 30:44
  - I don't think you need more politics.
• 30:45
  - I'm so exhausted.
• 30:46
  (laughing)
• 30:48
  - Another really one that I think is kind of
• 30:52
  a newer reference is Megan.
• 30:54
  - And I, that one was okay for me because she's supposed
• 30:57
  to be a doll.
• 30:58
  - Yeah.
• 30:59
  - So that one, I think she looks doll enough.
• 31:01
  - Exactly.
• 31:02
  - Where it's not so creepy.
• 31:03
  - I totally agree.
• 31:05
  But I can see how it could give other people the ilk.
• 31:07
  Like, but I thought it was, I thought it was well done.
• 31:09
  - Yeah.
• 31:10
  - Justice League 2017, they digitally removed
• 31:14
  Henry Cavill's mustache.
• 31:15
  I mean, one of the scenes when he's Superman.
• 31:18
  And it's so obvious.
• 31:20
  And this is a delicious man.
• 31:22
  This is maybe one of the most handsome men I've ever seen.
• 31:24
  - I would agree about that.
• 31:25
  - He's insanely good looking.
• 31:26
  But his upper lip is just so smooth and large.
• 31:30
  And like, and we know that's not what he looks like
• 31:33
  because our brains can recover.
• 31:36
  Looks like, I don't know.
• 31:37
  - I'm pretty good at that one.
• 31:39
  - My dreams know what Henry Cavill looks like.
• 31:41
  - Yeah.
• 31:42
  Anyway.
• 31:44
  - Sorry, if we lost her there for a second.
• 31:46
  - Come back.
• 31:47
  - So it's just, his upper lip gave everybody a candy valley.
• 31:51
  Okay, I was, I saw, like, I knew that this was a popular one
• 31:56
  on the list, but I was like, how is Henry Cavill?
• 31:59
  I'm Candy Valley.
• 32:00
  - It's the mustache removal.
• 32:01
  - Okay.
• 32:02
  - I think that's it.
• 32:03
  It's because we know what he's supposed to look like.
• 32:05
  - Okay.
• 32:06
  - And the film is trying to convince us
• 32:08
  that this is what he looks like.
• 32:10
  - Okay.
• 32:10
  - I think that's a lot of it too.
• 32:11
  It's like, when you know you're trying,
• 32:13
  they're trying to get away with it.
• 32:15
  They can't keep getting away with this.
• 32:17
  They're trying to convince us these are humans
• 32:19
  and we know they're not humans.
• 32:21
  (laughing)
• 32:23
  - And I know I mentioned Rogue One earlier,
• 32:25
  but like Grand Moft Harkin was also a complete CG character.
• 32:29
  - Okay.
• 32:30
  - And it looked almost exactly like the actor,
• 32:33
  but just smooth enough that it wasn't quite right.
• 32:35
  - It was too soft.
• 32:37
  - He was too soft.
• 32:38
  - He was too soft for us.
• 32:39
  - Too soft, blah, blah.
• 32:40
  - He's too soft for us.
• 32:41
  - And no life behind those eyeballs.
• 32:43
  - Well, you know what's interesting is,
• 32:45
  did you ever watch Usworld?
• 32:47
  - The first two seasons that were amazing.
• 32:48
  All of a sudden it went down.
• 32:49
  - Then I got a little cookie at the sea.
• 32:52
  - Usworld didn't give me Uncanny Valley.
• 32:55
  - No.
• 32:56
  - Like it is kind of unsettling to think,
• 32:58
  like, oh, those are robots.
• 33:00
  And that's where the Uncanny Valley theory comes from.
• 33:03
  But of course they are played by real actors.
• 33:06
  - And I think that's the thing is,
• 33:07
  they don't add anything to them to make them look
• 33:11
  not human or not human.
• 33:13
  Until obviously their faces open up.
• 33:15
  But then that's just a robot.
• 33:16
  - Yeah, but even when I just see them with just the face skin on
• 33:19
  and then the body,
• 33:21
  it does give me that feeling.
• 33:23
  But like certain things like where it's like,
• 33:26
  I don't know.
• 33:27
  - It's really so close.
• 33:29
  - It's so close and it's not right.
• 33:31
  That's when our brain can pick it apart.
• 33:34
  Because we know in that show,
• 33:36
  like you said, if it's just a robot with like a face on it,
• 33:38
  we know no one's trying to convince us that's a human.
• 33:40
  We're like, oh, that's a fine robot.
• 33:42
  I know a robot when I see one, that's a robot.
• 33:44
  - Wait till Elon gets that final skin on that girl.
• 33:47
  - That's sex robot.
• 33:49
  - Sex robots, like that definitely give me Uncanny Valley.
• 33:52
  Like if you see like in Japan,
• 33:55
  there's a lot of Tynashidolls.
• 33:57
  I don't know what they're called.
• 33:58
  - Oh gosh, I don't know the exact name for it.
• 34:00
  But like they're really human-like.
• 34:02
  - We went to a sex shop and we saw some of these,
• 34:04
  at least Andrew did, I wasn't allowed on that floor.
• 34:06
  - No, there's no women allowed.
• 34:07
  - Yes.
• 34:08
  - But he said they looked pretty realistic,
• 34:12
  like not quite there.
• 34:13
  - Yeah, I could see that.
• 34:14
  - So I could see that.
• 34:16
  - Now a robot film that really does,
• 34:19
  kind of give me Uncanny Valley is I Robot.
• 34:22
  - Because their faces are too human-like.
• 34:24
  - Yeah, but they're, yeah, they're like in that dip of it.
• 34:29
  - But again, they're small.
• 34:30
  They're small.
• 34:31
  - They're too small.
• 34:32
  - They're too small.
• 34:33
  - Smooth, I don't know, I don't know.
• 34:35
  I think it's a really interesting breakdown of it.
• 34:38
  - Yeah.
• 34:39
  - Of what does and what doesn't.
• 34:40
  I would love to hear the fans if there's something
• 34:42
  that we said that does.
• 34:43
  - Yeah, better work.
• 34:44
  - No, that's fine.
• 34:45
  - We're totally missing it.
• 34:46
  - Yeah.
• 34:47
  - All of those Claymation movies with the Jack Frost
• 34:51
  in the little Santa.
• 34:53
  - Those do it for me.
• 34:54
  The Beetlejuice Far, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
• 34:56
  with the Claymation.
• 34:58
  - I think that you might just be afraid of Claymation.
• 35:00
  - I am.
• 35:01
  And it's Uncanny Valley.
• 35:03
  - I really hope someone listening understands it, but.
• 35:06
  - Never get Olivia Plato.
• 35:10
  - I like to play with Plato.
• 35:12
  - But I was an artistic enough to make them look real.
• 35:15
  - It looks like shit, I like it.
• 35:17
  (laughing)
• 35:19
  - That looks nothing like a human.
• 35:20
  - That's great.
• 35:21
  - It's not a horse.
• 35:22
  - That's great.
• 35:23
  - What if I was a master at Clay sculptures,
• 35:28
  but they just freaked me out so much
• 35:29
  in the child that I destroyed them all?
• 35:31
  - And I never knew it.
• 35:33
  - Or every time you make one, you're like, it's too good.
• 35:37
  It must be true.
• 35:39
  (laughing)
• 35:40
  - Rip it's head off.
• 35:41
  - You can't exist in this world.
• 35:43
  - I love the kid from my toy store.
• 35:45
  - I love the evil one.
• 35:46
  - I cut it in your house and you're just surrounded
• 35:48
  by perfectly molded clay heads.
• 35:51
  And you're like, they're too good shot,
• 35:52
  but I can't stop.
• 35:53
  - It can't stop.
• 35:54
  - It's actually what I was in the hospital, guys.
• 35:56
  - I don't like how many Claymations.
• 35:58
  (laughing)
• 35:59
  - I believe these hands.
• 36:00
  - These dirty, dirty hands.
• 36:02
  (laughing)
• 36:03
  - Did you ever see us, the film with Jordan Peel?
• 36:06
  - Yeah, that one didn't get me on Candymalley,
• 36:08
  but also I saw that movie drunk.
• 36:09
  - Oh, okay.
• 36:11
  - I don't know why.
• 36:11
  - I do have this theory that, okay,
• 36:13
  there's a delicate balance of seeing a horror movie drunk.
• 36:17
  - And if you're a little bit tipsy,
• 36:20
  it is so much scarier.
• 36:21
  - Yeah, I agree.
• 36:22
  - Like if you watched the strangers,
• 36:24
  like one or two beers deep.
• 36:27
  - We should do that.
• 36:28
  I haven't seen that movie years.
• 36:30
  - Oh, ooh.
• 36:31
  - And I remember it made me really sad.
• 36:33
  - Apparently the new one is so bad.
• 36:35
  - Really.
• 36:36
  - It's so bad, but if you guys want us to,
• 36:38
  we will watch it for you because
• 36:39
  there's so much we love you.
• 36:41
  - Let's watch, yeah, for a related horror movies.
• 36:43
  Let's, okay, let's watch the strangers
• 36:45
  after we both get like slightly tipsy next time we know.
• 36:48
  - Yeah, no, I promise you.
• 36:49
  - Next time I have a day that I could exist.
• 36:50
  - We do not condone underage drinking.
• 36:52
  - No, we are both in our 30s.
• 36:54
  - We are.
• 36:55
  - Oh, ladies over here.
• 36:57
  - But if you are of age covering the grains.
• 37:00
  - Yeah, if you are of age,
• 37:02
  have one or two beers before you watch a horror movie
• 37:05
  and it will scare you more.
• 37:06
  I don't know what it is.
• 37:07
  You would think that I would like, like.
• 37:09
  - Damn, don't you doubt it.
• 37:11
  - I wonder if you watch any of these movies
• 37:13
  on the uncanny valley list after like one or two drinks,
• 37:16
  if they just look perfectly human to you.
• 37:18
  (laughing)
• 37:20
  - Were they scared me?
• 37:21
  - I would love it.
• 37:22
  - I would love it.
• 37:22
  - They might scare me more.
• 37:24
  - You watch Polar Express and you're like,
• 37:26
  those are real people.
• 37:27
  - If the CIA ever watches this there,
• 37:30
  then I'm gonna need climations.
• 37:32
  And we're gonna torture this woman.
• 37:35
  - For signs.
• 37:35
  - For signs.
• 37:36
  (laughing)
• 37:39
  - I don't think you'll ever get tortured.
• 37:42
  - Yeah, let's hope so.
• 37:43
  - What do you think, are we good here?
• 37:46
  (laughing)
• 37:49
  - To a toesie.
• 37:50
  - This is for the fun one.
• 37:51
  - This is for the fun one.
• 37:52
  - Okay, so on, what about the matrix?
• 37:55
  Did the agents ever give you?
• 37:57
  - I'm gonna make it a confession here
• 38:01
  as a pop culture junkie.
• 38:02
  I've seen the first matrix loved it.
• 38:05
  - Okay.
• 38:06
  - I saw the second one.
• 38:07
  Board to tears.
• 38:09
  - Okay.
• 38:09
  - So I was like, I can't finish this.
• 38:11
  We have to find something else to do.
• 38:12
  - I thought you were gonna say
• 38:13
  you'd never seen the first matrix.
• 38:14
  - Oh, I saw the first one.
• 38:15
  - Girl, what are we doing here?
• 38:16
  - So boring for some reason.
• 38:18
  But I know there's that scene where they,
• 38:20
  there's a million of the same guy.
• 38:22
  Is that on the first one?
• 38:24
  - That's on the second one.
• 38:25
  - And those gave me on Candy Valley.
• 38:27
  - Okay, because there's so many of them.
• 38:28
  - Because there's so many people.
• 38:29
  - Yeah.
• 38:30
  - And they're trying to convince us that like,
• 38:31
  yeah, they're real.
• 38:32
  - Okay.
• 38:33
  - On the note of the matrix two,
• 38:36
  I would agree with you, not great.
• 38:38
  However, when they're freaking clubbing in the matrix
• 38:43
  in that scene, I wanna be there so bad.
• 38:45
  - Oh yeah.
• 38:46
  - That scene where they're undergrossing.
• 38:48
  - Yeah, it's so good.
• 38:50
  - But like literally, I think about that all the time.
• 38:53
  Like if I could be in like one crazy club scene,
• 38:56
  we're gonna do it for Halloween.
• 38:57
  - Yeah.
• 38:58
  - We're gonna go to a crazy club dressed as bar maidens.
• 39:02
  - Yeah.
• 39:02
  (laughing)
• 39:05
  - Unfortunately.
• 39:06
  (laughing)
• 39:08
  - Olivia and I were trying to make a good Halloween costume
• 39:10
  and we really wanted to be characters from Killville,
• 39:12
  but our friend and the group costume
• 39:13
  is never seen Killville.
• 39:15
  - We're working on it.
• 39:16
  We're also trying to change her mind on some other things
• 39:20
  in our life as well.
• 39:21
  - But mostly Killville.
• 39:23
  - But mostly Killville.
• 39:24
  - Okay.
• 39:25
  - Let's wrap this shit up.
• 39:26
  We're going up in so many tangents today.
• 39:28
  - We love that.
• 39:29
  Well, you know, while we don't necessarily understand
• 39:32
  why uncanny valley happens to us,
• 39:35
  my personal belief is aliens.
• 39:38
  I wanna hear aliens.
• 39:39
  - No, I think the aliens make it absolute.
• 39:41
  - Yeah.
• 39:42
  - Like at some point in the world,
• 39:43
  we encountered aliens and we had to figure out
• 39:46
  why the hell this happened.
• 39:47
  - Mm-hmm.
• 39:48
  - We're like, there's something about them
• 39:49
  that I don't like.
• 39:50
  (laughing)
• 39:51
  - Something about the season.
• 39:53
  - Not quite right.
• 39:55
  And you know, whether the aliens are the ones
• 39:58
  making the Polar Express movie,
• 40:01
  the lizard people, the JD Vances of the world,
• 40:04
  you know, all we care about is no more climbation.
• 40:08
  Seriously, I mean, please stop.
• 40:11
  - I like climbation.
• 40:12
  (laughing)
• 40:13
  - Sean O'Wall would be your one and only.
• 40:14
  - Yeah.
• 40:15
  - Ticket producer.
• 40:16
  - But these examples span across media, films,
• 40:19
  TV shows.
• 40:20
  We even see it within video games.
• 40:22
  And it really demonstrates all these different
• 40:25
  psychological effects that we have
• 40:28
  that we don't really understand the phenomenons behind.
• 40:31
  - The human mind is an enigma.
• 40:33
  (laughing)
• 40:35
  - It's true.
• 40:36
  (laughing)
• 40:37
  I don't know why I said it like that, but I did.
• 40:39
  (laughing)
• 40:42
  - Sorry, my hospital brain is an hour here, I know.
• 40:45
  - It's a hospital brain mixed with campaign brain.
• 40:49
  - Yeah, I don't know.
• 40:51
  - I don't know.
• 40:51
  - We're both doing great, sweetie.
• 40:53
  - Well, I think that's enough time for us
• 40:55
  in this uncanny valley and for us to rejoin the human race
• 41:00
  or whatever, hopefully not the aliens or the gay people.
• 41:03
  - The gay people.
• 41:03
  - Yeah.
• 41:04
  And we want you lovely humans to find us on social media,
• 41:10
  Shauna, where can they find us?
• 41:12
  - You can @shaunatrinidad on Instagram
• 41:15
  and we'll just stick with Instagram right now.
• 41:18
  - Okay.
• 41:19
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• 41:22
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• 41:23
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• 41:26
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• 41:31
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• 41:40
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• 42:35
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• 42:37
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