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- Lyndsay Soprano (00:02) This is Giving Pain Purpose, where we talk about the game of living in and with chronic pain and trauma. Getting to the heart of how to heal. I'm your host, Lindy Soprano. On this show, I sit with the warriors, loved ones, doctors, holistic practitioners, and those who walk through hell and want their voices heard. It's messy, heartbreaking, occasionally depraved, but always human. It's where relentless healing, Intense empathy and dark humor beautifully collide. Because sometimes laughing through the wreckage is the only lifeline. You don't have to heal quietly and you don't have to fight alone. This episode is dedicated to anyone who has experienced self-doubt in trusting your own stories and your own narratives. If you are a victim who needs verification of your stories and needs empowerment to seek justice and healing, keep listening. Have you ever lied? Because if you said no, you are a frickin' liar. So, congratulations to you. You can stop listening, or maybe you should continue to listen to this episode, you big fat liar. I have lied many, many times. And when I was putting this thing together, I was thinking about the reasons why I've lied, where those places have come up. Like, it was just a little white lie, you know. But for me, my lies come from protecting people. To protect myself and most specifically to protect myself from others not believing me if I told my truth. And when you've been through the kind of traumas that I have experienced in a world that has never truly felt safe for me, I have lied by not sharing what's happened to me. Until I started this show where I kind of the floodgates opened and I'm asking all of my guests to be open and raw and real and true. And if I'm not gonna do it, then how can I ask others to do so? And so these floodgates of truth just keep like coming out of me. But I still haven't shared the horrific stories of sexual assaults with my parents because I tried once and they didn't believe me. We didn't speak for a while. And now I have just gone back to living the lies that I have been telling since I was nine. And it's horrible feeling shamed, to feel unheard, to feel like you can't truly be who you are. And within that, it makes you feel unsafe. So, what can we do about it? Right? Well, we can actually start with the polygraph, which is something we've never talked about on this show. And I'm stoked. To be able to bring it to you guys today. And it's not just something that you see on Dateline and on CSI. It's not just for the criminal justice system. You can do it as a normal general population person, right? So anybody can get a polygraph, and I am just the guy for you. So without further ado, I would like to introduce you to my guest today, David Goldberg. Welcome to Giving Pain Purpose, my darling. How are ya? David Goldberg (03:17) I'm fine and thank you so much, Lindsay, for inviting me. I am so excited to be on your podcast. Lyndsay Soprano (03:24) So David is a board-certified expert polygraph examiner, veteran investigator, and founder of Executive Protection Group Polygraph Services. That is a mouthful. He has more than 30 years of experience working as a specialized team member with the FBI task force, working with child sexual exploitation cases, those involving trauma, abuse, assault, false accusations, you name it. He's heard it, he's done it. He has dedicated his career to uncovering the truth when people have been dismissed, doubted, or denied their justice. So today we're talking about the role of polygraph testing. And he has done over 20,000 exams. That number is astounding to me. So I'd like to start with educating our listeners really quick on what a polygraph actually is. And then let's hop into how the heck you got into the world of it and let's take it from there. David Goldberg (04:19) Sure. So a polygraph is a test that verifies truth or deception. And how it works. It's a multi-layer instrumentation based on the experience of the examiner. And there is a basic three part process where the examiner interviews the examinee. Questions are then formulated. After questions are then formulated, then they're reviewed with the examinee. The attachments are then placed on the examinee. Then they are tested and verified for truthfulness or deception. And then the results are then given. Process takes at the minimum, if you're a professional, at the minimum an hour and a half, and it can go all the way up to five hours or so. Lyndsay Soprano (05:17) Wow, do you take any breaks within those five hours or is it like you are under the gun for five hours? David Goldberg (05:22) The only kind of breaks you do get, I mean, you might take a bathroom break, of course. I mean you don't want anyone to do anything on the polygraph chair. Okay. But or in their in their clothing. But you do and then you can give them a water break or something like that. But yeah, they they're not allowed to go out and take a vape break or a smoking break or anything like that. But they do are allowed to take breaks. Lyndsay Soprano (05:45) And so what within the polygraph test, what are you actually testing for when you get these results and you're you're cause we've all seen it, you know, you're attached to something and there's a little zippy line that's going up and down on a piece of paper. What exactly how do these attachments actually work? Is it checking your heart rate? How does it how does that actually work? David Goldberg (06:04) Yeah, it's testing your physiology to the reactions that you're going to give to the questions that are given to you. So people react and you you've lied, I've lied, everyone has lied. You know what it feels like when you don't want to get caught. Okay. Your breathing changes, your sweat starts, you know, coming out, you know, your armpits, you know, start getting sweaty, you know. You're jittery and stuff like that. Well, that's called physiology. So what happens is is when you're attached to these instrumentations, we're reading those certain physiology in your body. Your breathing change, your blood pressure, your sweat glands, and other stuff in your body that's going on. And we're reading that. And if you're telling the truth, it's going to stay the same, which call it's called a homeostasis, which means a baseline. gonna stay the same and it's not going to go fluctuate. However, if you lie or you're deceiving or withholding information and you know you're doing it, the brain is gonna say, Hey Lindsay, why are you not telling David everything or why are you lying? And then then it's gonna start fluctuating and we're gonna see it and then we're gonna know that you are lying or or holding back information. Lyndsay Soprano (07:27) Interesting. Because for me, I feel like I would be super nervous, no matter how absolutely true the story or whatever it is that we're we're talking about. I feel like I would be like nervous. I'm I get nervous when I'm I come from a background of performing singing specifically. And I would always get super, super nervous. Would that would those nerves do you take, do you ask questions before getting into the nitty-gritty that kind of align with like, okay, this is what her body normally would do. Like she's a little nervous right now. Her name is Lindsay Soprano, that's a yes. Like, what are the kinds of things that you do prior to asking like the deep, dark and twisty stuff? Is there anything that you do prior to kind of a figure out what their body chemistry does? David Goldberg (08:09) Yeah, absolutely. And that's an excellent question. I get that question probably every single day, about a thousand times a day. Well, I'm nervous. Will that affect my results? Or I got high anxiety, or I'm taking anxiety medications. Is that going to affect it? A professional examiner, it's their job to reduce your anxiety before you're even tested. And that's where the interview process comes into play. So everyone, and I will say Everyone is anxious and nervous because majority of the people have never taken a polygraph test. What happens is is the examiner is responsible for interviewing you and reducing that anxiety. And then by the time it's hooked up, being attached is all the same no matter where you go. Okay? That's nothing new. It's just like when you go to a doctor's office and the nurse is gonna give you a shot. it's the same kind of procedure everywhere. The shot goes in your arm at the same place all the time. But it's how the nurse would be talking to you before, you know, unless they're gonna be nurse cratchit and they just grab your arm and stab you and and then it's like, my God, I never wanna get another shot ever again. Well it's the same with the examiner. If the examiner, you know, welcomes you and and says, you know, I'm here for you and we're gonna get this done and and and we're gonna find out what's going on and And you know, and see what happens. And it's up to you whether you wanna pass or whether you wanna fail. That's not up to me, it's up to you. Lyndsay Soprano (09:45) Interesting. You almost like you have that decision to make whether you're gonna be a liar that day or not, right? David Goldberg (09:51) That's exactly right. And and wow and people make that decision. That's the ultimate decision on them. And people always ask me, really, liars come to you and pay you? And yeah, they do, because they think that they can beat the examiner. And that is true. People ask, can you beat the polygraph? The instrumentation, no, you can't, but you can beat an inexperienced polygraph examiner hands down. And I've proven that multiple times when someone has gone to another examiner. beaten them and then the other party who says, Yeah, something's just not right and then they've gotten a second opinion by coming to me and I found out so much different information and proven that they beat that other examiner. Lyndsay Soprano (10:35) Interesting. That's so interesting. how did you get into this, by the way? Because you've been you were in you've worked with the FBI, you've been in investigation and all that for so many years. How did you get into polygraph? David Goldberg (10:48) Yeah, I was in law enforcement and the opportunity presented itself where I saw other polygraph examers doing it and I thought, wow, this is great. I was a detective and you know, I was able to interview and talk to people, but that's another tool in itself in law enforcement, and I thought, gosh, I would love to do that. And so I applied at first, didn't get it the first time, and then I applied the second time and then it was an opening and I got the opportunity to go to polygraph school and Then and then what happened was that after I got out of law enforcement, I saw the very big need for polygraph services outside of law enforcement. And people don't realize this that polygraphs are not just for those that are under investigation, arrested, or or getting ready to be incarcerated or whatever. It is for every single human being. even juveniles, minors, adults, the elderly, whatever is troubling you, whatever's paining you, just like giving pain a purpose, it is truly for you to get closure with e whatever's bothering you. Take that polygraph test with an experienced examiner and you're gonna be able to get closure and move on from there. Lyndsay Soprano (12:10) Cause we spoke about this in our meet and greet about how like how I opened up about talking about how I've kept these these horrible stories and these horrible things that have happened to me from such a young age, up and through my adulthood, almost about 10 years ago, a little longer than 10 years ago. So it's been a big part of my life at the sexual assault side of things. And and I I never spoke about it really to anybody, like I maybe a handful of people knew. One person knew one of my worst stories, and that is my current husband. He didn't even know until he listened to an episode where I opened up about it. And what I find so interesting is I was thinking about doing it myself because there are not that I think that I've lied about anything, but I am just curious about the little girl's story and the narrative, and that I have the movie in my mind of X, Y, and Z of things that happened. And Am I 100% accurate in that? And am I sure? That's one of the reasons why I find it so fascinating to have you on because we have so many people that listen to this show that have been victims of sexual assault, where, you know, we're trying to verify our stories. We're trying to be empowered so that we can seek justice to the, you know, from these things that have happened to us. and how you can heal from them. And one of the things that you brought up in our In our meet and greet together, was that you find this process can be therapeutic for people as well. And that is so fascinating to me because even just talking with you about the fact that you can do this as just a normal Joe Schmo out on the street. I can just hire David and go, hey, I want to know the truth about this, about myself. That is unbelievable to me. David Goldberg (13:56) You and I had to meet and greet and we were talking, you opened up to me and we had just met. Yeah. And you even said you had not told some people what you told me. Mm-hmm. And in order for you to do that with me, you had to feel very comfortable in order to tell me things. And we had just met. I mean, within within minutes, you felt comfortable with me. In order for that to happen, that's where I come in and where I'm an expert. I have to build that rapport in order for you to be able to tell me the most deepest, darkest secrets that you have and that you've never told anyone in your entire life. Because it's painful, it's shameful, and you don't know whether you're going to be judged. And that's why people keep those secrets. What happens when people come to me, and that's what I want to emphasize, and this does not happen with every examiner. Okay, I'm just telling you that right now. But when you come to me, it is a therapeutic session. And what you go to therapy, it is like a 50-minute session. You know, it's like or 45 minutes or even up to an hour. And then and and the therapist says, Well, Lindsay, I'm so glad you came today. Go out to my front receptionist and make another appointment, and then we'll get to you. And you're ready to really get ready to tell her or tell him. What you're about to tell them, and then they have to tell they have to stop you. Right. And what happens with me, I'm not stopping. When I you book a s an appointment with me, an examination with me, you're the only client, the only examinee, the only person, the only individual that day. And I'm not going to book another person because your issue is so important that I'm not going to book a someone and you're not gonna be a revolving door in my office and say, Okay, 50 minutes is up, have a great day. And you're like, So if it takes an hour and a half, takes two hours, takes three hours, takes five hours to get to the root of cause that's bothering you, that's how long it is. And that's why when you asked me in the very beginning of our podcast today, you said, you know, are there breaks? Well, of course there are breaks during that time frame. However, I don't say, okay, go up to my front, make an appointment. You know, which I don't have a friend, it's just me. But you know, we talk from the very beginning to the very end. And let me tell you something, people get such a serious breakthrough because by the time I test and I verify that your story is absolutely a hundred percent truthful, open, and honest and candor, I'm probably sometimes the very first person that that person has ever told everything too. And when I finally tell them, finally, you passed and I believe you, the floodgates open, everyone drops their shoulder down and just deballs and cries and says, Thank you. You don't know what you've done for me. And I empower them like no tomorrow. Because now they lift up their head and now they put their shoulders back and they say, you know what? Now I'm ready to kick some serious ass because now I know I've been telling the truth. Now I'm ready to go tell whoever's been calling me a liar to kiss my ass because now I'm gonna tell them you can, you know, F off because I know I've taken a polygraph test and now I have evidence. You don't have nothing but word of mouth. Lyndsay Soprano (17:36) Yeah. That and empowering is such a great word for it because it's true. We're so inundated with everything. With my sweetie, we're in the news business. So there's all this like junk all the time. We've got social media and all these things and we're we're fighting against each other, specifically here in the United United States of America right now, where we're just so split and divided and Now we've got AI that's coming in. And we don't even know if that, you know, every all these bots are like, that's AI, that's AI, or the president can even say, no, that's ID I AI, that wasn't even me. That's not truth. It's just like, my God. And in this world where truth seems like, how could we ever get to it right now? I love having a place that we could come to to you to gather the truth within ourselves. Cause there's only so much that we can gather about the truth of other people. But what we can do and what we have control over is the truth that's within us and you helping to break through whatever roadblocks that we've built and we've pushed down what happened to us, especially when you're talking about almost 40 years ago when my first thing happened to me. That's a long time for something to be stuck in there. And I think I had mentioned to you that I had a ketamine, one of my ketamine therapy sessions that I had is what opened up this this door that flooded in all kinds of stuff that I that I didn't remember. And now I have this feeling of, well, was that actually true or was that the ketamine? So there's like these weird, these weird things that have come up from the therapies that I've been doing to try to heal the physical pain within my body while also trying to heal these childhood wounds and these traumas that have happened simultaneously. And now I'm like, I gotta call David. David Goldberg (19:18) Here's what happens with the and I'm an expert in sexual assault, both adults and and juveniles. And here's what happens. When you are a victim of such traumatic, serious emotional and physical abuse to one, you suppress that bad memory because you don't want to relive it over and over and over again. That's where what's called PTSD, what people don't understand that. Okay? And so what happens is We repress that stuff in the back of our head, our brain. And then what happens is, and this is what I hear a lot when people call me, it's now coming back. I'm now in my 30s and I have a child myself, and but I don't know if it's now a dream or if it was a dream or if it's reality. Can you help me? And I say yes. And so what happens is you've put it in your back for so long because you don't want To bring that up every day, because then you're gonna be in a fetal position 24 7 and you can't move on. And so that's why people repress bad thoughts, bad trauma, all that stuff. Because then you would not be able to function. And that's why people do that. However, when they come to me, I do find out sometimes it is, sometimes it is dreams, but sometimes the stuff that they tell me is true because here's what truth is truth is detail. And you can lie and make up things, but liars can't keep the same story backwards, forwards, upside down, the same way, over and over and over again. Truthful people can, and they can today, tomorrow, twenty years from now, and beyond. Where liars can't. They add, they subtract, and they exaggerate, and they elaborate, and that's where when they come to take a polygraph test, they can't keep their story straight and it gets unraveled, and that's what happens. They that's what happens in crimes. The things just get unraveled and then they get caught. Lyndsay Soprano (21:26) Yeah. David Goldberg (21:27) That's what happens with victims when they come to take a polygraph test and they want to say, look, I I I know this happened, but I just want to know if it, you know, isn't just a memory or a dream or whatever. And then what I do is when I interview them, I'll break it down from step by step by step by step by step. And then it then I'll and then I'll ask them again. And if they can tell me the same thing over and over again, you know, backwards, forwards, with detail, detail is true, they're not they're not making it up. Lyndsay Soprano (21:57) Wow. It's so incredible. Cause you think about all the therapy that I've been in, right? Since I was like fourteen, I think is when my parents put me in therapy. And by the way, my parents haven't been to therapy. And I keep asking my mom, I'm like, you know, maybe you should go talk to somebody. And she says, No, you're good. Like you, you're you should still stay in therapy. David Goldberg (22:17) There's a reason I'm in it it's because of you woman. But there's a reason for that, Lindsay, when and I hear that a lot from from parents and from guardians and and and spouses that don't want to. They don't want to face reality. And what they don't want to face is when you or the victim doesn't want to now judge them. Where they've judged you, they've called you a liar, you're making this up, you know, you've lied before in the past, you're just you just want attention and blah, blah, blah. If you finally prove that they're wrong, now they feel like this, and now you could ultimately judge them by saying, Well, you know what? You are a POS. You know, you had the right to to to protect me, you had the right to get rid of the abuser, you had every right and you didn't, and now look at you. You know, and they don't want to hear that. So instead they avoid. They avoid, they avoid, they avoid. And they just say, you know what, you get help, you do you and you know, good luck. Lyndsay Soprano (23:25) Yeah. Yeah. The projection has been something that's been fabulously done in my life. And it's just something that I've recently been uncovering. that actually by doing this show and having to question myself. And when I'm putting together these episodes and I'm researching and I'm reading the books of every guest, because I read every book, you know, that is sent to me, I buy them, what have you. I always get as intimate as I can before I even have the conversations like I'm having with you. Because I find that to be so incredibly important in our conversations for the depth and the breadth for it to be real. And so that people also are believing you. Cause you're sitting here talking about you're gonna be able to tell the truth. And I wanna make sure that everybody that's listening knows this guy is like legit, right? And you are. what got you into specializing in the sexual assault side of things, if you don't mind me asking? David Goldberg (24:19) I specialized in the sexual assault because they need someone to talk for them. And especially when it comes to minors. Minors have a hard time standing up to their perpetrators and have a very hard time standing up to adults. Because the majority of their abusers are who? Adults. Those that they trust. those that are in power control and so they needed someone that finally tells them after I investigated and said, you know what, I believe ya. Don't you worry about it. You stand beside me or behind me. I got your back and and that's what happened. So that's why I did that. And when it comes to adult, you know, sexual abuse victims and and and women that have been, you know, raped and all that stuff, yeah. I did the same thing. I want to be a voice for them as well. You know, now I'm not gonna tell you, because I deal it with it in my office as well. I'm not gonna tell you that there are a lot of people that do fabricate those things, and that's what makes it really difficult for real victims. We know that. Okay. That's why victims are looked at really in a bad light. And I hate that. You know what I mean? It's like if a if someone calls and says, you know, I've been sexually molested. You know, yeah, okay, we'll prove it. You know, we're it's Lyndsay Soprano (25:49) Yeah. David Goldberg (25:50) your fault. You shouldn't have been dressed like that and blah, blah, blah. You know, and so that's how they're looked at a lot of times. However, you know, there are people that do fabricate things, you know, because they put themselves in certain positions. However, in my position as a polygraph examiner, I'm gonna find out from the very beginning to the very end whether the story that you're telling is absolutely spot on truth. or whether you are fabricating. And if you're fabricating, well, shame on you because you could have put someone away for a long, long time and and that's wrong of you. But if it's true, I'll stand by you and we'll put that person who did whatever did to you away and if we if they catch Lyndsay Soprano (26:34) What you say to, I'd like to debunk the theory, if you will. what do you say to people who basically say that they're not considered scientifically reliable and that they're inadmissible? Are are they admissible in federal court proceedings? Like, how does that work from a legal perspective when you have polygraph results that you can say, I guarantee that Lindsay is telling the 100% truth of what happened? And then these people are like, They are not scientifically reliable. What do we say to those people? David Goldberg (27:07) Right. And that's what you hear all the time. They're pseudoscience, their language bullshit, you know, you might as well flip a coin, all that stuff. And you hear I hear it all, I heard it all, and I and I continue to hear it. Okay. So polygraphs have been around for over a hundred years and they're not going away anytime soon. So that's number one. So if it didn't work, why are they still around? All right. That's number one. Number two is the accuracy has increased so much over the hundred years. All right. And we've gone from what's called analog, which everyone used to see the what we would be considered the box and the needles and the, you know, squiggly lines on a piece of paper, and then the paper would be ripped off and then stuff like that. To now everything is computerized. And now it's all al algorithm, you know, and and data driven and all that although it's the examiner who absolutely still reads the charts, runs everything, you know, interviews, scores the charts, but it's still computerized, okay? So the error rate is a lot less. So Lyndsay Soprano (28:21) Okay. David Goldberg (28:22) there is a lot of science driven in this and a lot and a lot of research. I mean, astronomically a lot of science is in this now, okay? Now, in reference to court matters, courts are more and more lenient in reference to the polygraph when it comes to admissibility. However, there are many states that still say, no way, no how, not gonna allow it. But there are many states that absolutely do allow it on several cases. And what that means is on stipulation, if both parties, both defense and prosecution agree, it'll come in. The other way is you'll never, ever, ever see the polygraph charts come in to a court of law. But what you will see, and I have testified multiple times, I'm court certified, I've been deemed as an expert in courts, okay, as a polygraph examiner, so I'm not bullshitting anyone, I can prove that. The interview process Is and my reports are what is admitted into a court of law. And how that is, is if you come to me and I interview you, and after you tell me everything and I verify what you say is absolutely true, and I do a very detailed report, and then I hand it to your attorney, okay? And then your attorney, excuse me, your attorney then turns it over to whoever else, the other party, okay. And they look and they go, holy crap. What happens is you have now presented evidence to prove that what you're saying is true. They don't have anything to counter that. Now they're now gonna say, okay, well, what do you want, or what can we do, or let's reduce this, or whatever. And sometimes they may push the envelope and say, you know what, we'll still we'll still fight it. So bring them on. And so that's where I'll come into play. And I'll testify that I interview you. This is what you said. These are the questions I asked you. And this is my professional opinion. So that is what is admitted into a court of law. Lyndsay Soprano (30:42) I love it. Cause my husband's an attorney. Well, one of the many things that he is. And so the first thing when I was talking to him after our meet and greet, I spoke with him. I was like, I've got this polygraph guy on. He's like, whatever, polygraph, poly schmaf, you know. And I was like, no, I want you to listen to this conversation with him because he said the same thing about that it's usually not admissible into court and so on and so forth. He does not even he he's not a he he's not a lawyer really anymore, legally yes, but he doesn't like try any cases. But I was just curious about that because that's usually what we hear, is it's like we need to debunk it, you know? David Goldberg (31:19) Right. And here's what you'll also hear, and I hear this a lot. There are a lot of attorneys, and when you go to law school, and I say this, and I've sp spoke to a lot of attorneys and in front of a lot of attorneys, when you go to law school, you have a like a very maybe an hour's worth of instruction in reference to polygraphs, okay? So they'll say polygraphs aren't admissible and blah, blah, blah. Thank you, let's go on to the next, you know, course Miranda rights, and they use that whole day for that, okay? So when I talk to attorneys and attorneys hire me, I mean you can go onto my webpage and look at all the attorneys from all over the country that have used me. What happens is when you have an attorney that really wants to use a polygraph, that's a really good attorney because one, they're using another tool in a toolbox. That's one. Number two is if an attorney uses a polygraph, they want to either do one of two things. One, they want to make sure that their client is absolutely telling the truth. Two, they don't want to go in front of the judge or the jury looking like a buffoon. So they want to make sure that they have everything in in order. And also what they want to do is the attorney is they want to make sure that they have an upper hand against the other party. And so that's why they hire a a polygraph examiner. And you've seen it in many cases, even when celebrities get in trouble or someone else and they'll say, Well, my client took a polygraph test, you know, and now the other parties don't have that. kind of evidence. So they use it in in that kind of power, you know, in reference to a tool that that they have. And so that's how it's utilized. And when attorneys say, I don't you know, I don't it you can't use it, they've never utilized it before, so they don't know how to use it. That's why. Lyndsay Soprano (33:05) That's a good point. I like that a lot. And I'm going to tell him as soon as we're done with this conversation. David Goldberg (33:10) And you and your husband's probably never ever used a polygraph in profession. But Lyndsay Soprano (33:14) Absolutely not. Yeah, absolutely not. David Goldberg (33:17) when you but when you educate him, he'll probably think, I could have used it for one of my clients or so and I'm sure he could have. Lyndsay Soprano (33:24) Maybe, maybe. What's what's so fascinating for me about all of this is the fact that you truly do hold a place within yourself for the victims and the people that get their polygraphs done by you. That's one thing that I picked up from you just in our conversation. But also you said something. everybody needs someone to help and listen to them. I knew it wasn't a job anymore when I was helping, it was my calling. I absolutely love that quote because it is sadness of the heart and soul when you've had such horrible things happen to you and nobody believes you. that I I can't even imagine what it's like to be one of the Epstein women, right? I I know what it feels like to be me, but I am not up in front of cameras and microphones and all exploited all over the place and told that they're they're they're not believed and they're redacted and they're everything about them is covered in black marker. You know, like I can't even imagine what their souls feel. And I love that you hold a special place for these people, specifically in sexual assault. And I just wanted to say thank you for that. David Goldberg (34:29) Thank you. Well, what I said that to you, and that's when I think you started crying too. man. Everyone everyone has everyone. I don't care where you come from, what gender you are, what denomination you are, what color you are, it doesn't matter. But everyone has a story to tell. And everyone, I don't care. Right now, your listeners, there's someone listening right now that has an issue that has not been resolved. And what I said was is everyone needs to be heard, not you know, listened to, okay? Everyone can hear someone, but are you being listened to? Okay? And that's why I say, and I tell this to people: polygraphs are for every conceivable issue that you can imagine and I've tested for going through sexual assault, abuse, child custody, parental alienation, divorce, relationship. theft, school, you know, you're you're being accused of cheating in school. You name it, I've done it. And the fact is is if you're smart enough, you'll say, you know what, I never thought about this. I need this. I'm gonna go get it. Lyndsay Soprano (35:42) I feel like I should put my stepdaughters on one of these puppies. They don't listen to the show, but if you are listening, man, this is so fascinating. Thank you so much for all of this. for somebody that has kind of held back proving their truth of their lived experiences, what advice can you give them? David Goldberg (36:05) Don't fear taking a polygraph test with, and I'm gonna say this, with someone that's experienced. Because the job of a professional examiner is to help a truthful person pass their exam. A liar or someone that's gonna withhold information, the examiner doesn't have to help them do fail any exam. They're gonna do that on their own. Okay? So they don't have to. But the job of the examiner is to ensure that a truthful person walks out of that office holding their head up high with the result saying, I believe you, and I pass. Lyndsay Soprano (36:47) my gosh, this has been so incredible. Thank you so much for your time with me today. how can we find you? David Goldberg (36:54) You can find me online at executiveprotectiongrp.com. Or you can give me a call. I'm the only one that answers the phone, and I talk to you personally, and I'll talk all day long if I have to at 757-495-1301. And then on my website, you'll see how all my platforms and all that. But I tell this to everyone is Even if you're not going to use me or hire me, I don't care. The fact is, is I'm going to help you find a professional examiner wherever you are so that you don't make a mistake. But if you hire me, that's great. I'm going to be there for you from the time you call me to the time you leave my office or the time I leave, wherever we take the test, I'm going to to be there for you. Lyndsay Soprano (37:45) That's so wonderful. Thank you so much for who you are and for what you do. For women like myself, and there are definitely people that are listening right now that should be making a couple calls to you. David Goldberg (37:56) And even just it not only just sexual abuse, even people that are in abusive relationships. I help people get out of them because they don't know a way how to get out of them. I take an apolog test and you prove that you are in some kind of an abusive relationship, you know, or with a narcissist or controlling and you prove it, guess what? You now have proof that this is what's going on, and now they don't have that. Guess what? Now you can be uplifted and say, you know what? Maybe it's time for me to move on. Lyndsay Soprano (38:28) I love it. Thank you so much for being here with me today, my friend. And I can't wait to see and hear this episode and all of the people that call you. David Goldberg (38:38) Well, appreciate you. I really did. I I reached out to you. once I listened to one of your podcasts and I I I was real excited about helping you and your your, you know, listeners and I just was happy that you reached back out to me and said, Yes, you wanted me and I I I'm really grateful for that. Lyndsay Soprano (38:56) You got it, babe. That's what I'm here to do. Thank you again. You are exclusively invited to share this truth-proof VIP pain journey together. Let's get to the heart of how to heal with you by my side. Please follow Giving Pain Purpose wherever you digest your podcast content. We will be there. Visit us at giving painpurpose.com and follow us on all the socials. 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