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UN Women has THOTs about “The Manosphere” | HBR Talk 366 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 4: Right, Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three sixty six.
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  Speaker 4: this is one of those This is one of those
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  Speaker 4: shows right we have seen can't think in the name
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  Speaker 4: of the stupid organization that's that's targeting video games. But
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  Speaker 4: we have seen a recent blood bath from payment processors
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  Speaker 4: basically targeting platforms that host games that hurt women's feelings.
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  Speaker 3: Are we talking collective shout?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, collective show. It really should be called collective wine,
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  Speaker 4: because mostly they're just bitching about men being able to
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  Speaker 4: see images of women, adult women that other women don't
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  Speaker 4: want men to be able to see. They don't want
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  Speaker 4: they want to gate keep that, and they're fictional adult women.
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  Speaker 3: It should be called intimidating shout. Throwback to one of
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  Speaker 3: the many m m rphs. There we god that thing,
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  Speaker 3: and now now, and now that feminists are deeply embedded
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  Speaker 3: in the fabric of this kind of game, they're kind
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  Speaker 3: of going, let's let's see what spells we can cost
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  Speaker 3: intimidating shout. Well, yes, it's the first spell that feminists
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  Speaker 3: think of casting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the first only spell.
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  Speaker 3: That feminists think of casting. Intimidating shout yep.
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  Speaker 4: And that's all they do, right, is just nag the
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  Speaker 4: establishment to exercise more power over men on behalf of
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  Speaker 4: or basically in women's name. Even though not all women,
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  Speaker 4: in fact, most women don't agree with them, they still
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  Speaker 4: get what they want because it's convenient for the establishment
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  Speaker 4: that women are asking them to exercise more authority. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if these women are stupid or malicious
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  Speaker 4: or both. It's really difficult to tell sometimes, but they're
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  Speaker 4: essentially paving the way for a totalitarian clamp down on
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  Speaker 4: all types of speech. The minute that you hand over
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  Speaker 4: your freedom to express anything that's not actually an attack
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  Speaker 4: on somebody, like you haven't kidnapped somebody's children and made illicit.
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  Speaker 5: Images of them.
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  Speaker 4: It's all drawn images of adult women and adult men,
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  Speaker 4: like the minute that you hand over the ability to
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  Speaker 4: do the latter, you are essentially handing over the ability
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  Speaker 4: to say no. You can't protest your specific political cause.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: You can't protest against or for abortion. You can't protest
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  Speaker 4: against or for divorce rights, different types of divorce rights
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  Speaker 4: that women have wanted. You can't protest or for your
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  Speaker 4: side of the custody rights argument. You can't. You can't
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  Speaker 4: do any of that because you know, the local government
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  Speaker 4: has the right to take away your free speech rights
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  Speaker 4: if somebody else might be offended. And you don't see
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  Speaker 4: vast swatches of men arguing this, it's just women. Women
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  Speaker 4: want that safety net. If they don't like what people
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  Speaker 4: are saying, then they argue against the right to say it,
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  Speaker 4: and it's very dangerous. That's the minute that you give
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  Speaker 4: the government that right, just like any other right that
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  Speaker 4: you hand over to the government, they will abuse it,
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  Speaker 4: and they will abuse it in ways you didn't anticipate,
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  Speaker 4: and you aren't going to be happy with. And when
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  Speaker 4: that comes back to haunt democrat women, when that comes
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  Speaker 4: back to haunt feminists, when that comes back to haunt
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  Speaker 4: women in general, I'm not going to have any sympathy
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  Speaker 4: because you told them they could do this, You asked
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  Speaker 4: for it, you gave your consent, and it's it's really
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  Speaker 4: going to be ugly having to fight this, honestly, especially
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  Speaker 4: when they start censoring the the right to protest against
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  Speaker 4: totalitarian abuses, you know, similarly to the way the UK
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  Speaker 4: and Canada and many other countries do. If that starts
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  Speaker 4: happening in the United States as a result of payment processors,
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  Speaker 4: which to a degree it already has, then you're not
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  Speaker 4: going to be happy when they decide that they don't
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  Speaker 4: like one of your causes. But in the meantime, when.
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  Speaker 3: You start shooting people by the way, oh must you
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  Speaker 3: start shooting. And because I'm compelled to say that word
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  Speaker 3: as though it means people, it's become part of my
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  Speaker 3: vocabulary now. But that's when you start shooting.
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  Speaker 5: That's essentially what does happen.
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  Speaker 3: That is the whole there's the whole point of the
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  Speaker 3: United States. I believe you can say what you want,
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  Speaker 3: and if they don't let you say what you want,
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  Speaker 3: you start shooting. And by no, no, no, no no, I
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  Speaker 3: mean the people standing in your way.
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  Speaker 4: And unfortunately that's there's enough people that are fed up
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  Speaker 4: with this that that's that's not off the table. That's a
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  Speaker 4: very distinct possibility.
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  Speaker 3: God bless the USA for allowing me to say this,
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  Speaker 3: despite me being a temporary visitor to these lands. The
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  Speaker 3: fact that you treat me better than my own country
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  Speaker 3: treats me speaks volumes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it does. To be honest, it's I don't
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  Speaker 4: think any other country in the world does that. Right.
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  Speaker 4: We have our standard. We don't violate that standard. When
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  Speaker 4: we violate that standard, we lose everything. It's very much
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  Speaker 4: like every other amendment in the Bill of Rights. If
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  Speaker 4: you were to remove the powers that do separate the
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  Speaker 4: power of the church from the power of the state.
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  Speaker 4: You would create a situation where laws would be based
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  Speaker 4: strictly on religious doctrine, and people would not be happy.
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  Speaker 4: I guarantee you there would be There would be hell
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  Speaker 4: to pay pun intended. If we created a situation where
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  Speaker 4: the fourteenth Amendment didn't apply, or the sixth Amendment didn't apply,
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  Speaker 4: or any of the different aspects of the Bill of Rights,
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  Speaker 4: you would see more confiscation of your property. You would
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  Speaker 4: see people being thrown in jail and kept for years,
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  Speaker 4: with their commonly being thrown in jail and kept for years,
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  Speaker 4: with their hearing just getting indefinitely delayed by the state
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  Speaker 4: and no way to stop it. You would you just
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  Speaker 4: get locked away on an allegation and it might never
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  Speaker 4: get revisited again. You would see common occurrences where you know,
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  Speaker 4: people people's exculpatory evidence just wouldn't be admissible for no
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  Speaker 4: reason other than that the judge wanted this person convicted.
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  Speaker 4: If we got rid of the nineteenth though that's not
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  Speaker 4: part of the Bill of Rights, Chris, if we got
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  Speaker 4: rid of the nineteenth we might actually have some some
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  Speaker 4: economic success again as a country. If if it was
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  Speaker 4: just men voting and not not women, we might actually
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  Speaker 4: see an end to the tax and spend economy where
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  Speaker 4: the majority of the non military spending is welfare.
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  Speaker 3: How about if nobody paid taxes and nobody voted.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that would be called anarchy.
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  Speaker 3: But the exactly I would supply, Yeah, yes, I say yes.
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  Speaker 4: No one art, no one arch, no president, no Congress,
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  Speaker 4: no nothing. Just get rid of all of it. No
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  Speaker 4: department of education, no department of anything. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: states can coordinate with each other on on defense and
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  Speaker 4: on international international actions.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred years ago, it would have sounded like a
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  Speaker 3: crazy impossibility because people can't possibly communicate with each other
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  Speaker 3: at that speed across the country und the world at
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  Speaker 3: the same time. Nowadays they can. Now we can now
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  Speaker 3: Now we can communicate instantaneously with anyone anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 3: This seems like a good time to have to shut
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  Speaker 3: down this fucking machine that that purports to bring us
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  Speaker 3: together when it does anything but bring us together. Private
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  Speaker 3: enterprise has done that far better than anything this machine
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  Speaker 3: we call the government of a possibly could have.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. In the meantime, the nation does have some things
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  Speaker 4: that it could do about the payment processing thing. Let's
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  Speaker 4: you think about it. The issue with the banks, the
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  Speaker 4: issue with payment processors, at least more recently in the
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  Speaker 4: last few years, and it's probably been this way for
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  Speaker 4: a lot longer than we've been witnessing, is that they
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  Speaker 4: have essentially created a social credit system for corporations. And
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  Speaker 4: so if your corporation of any size, big, small, shorter, tall,
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  Speaker 4: any corporation worldwide, any corporation that's got a lot of
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  Speaker 4: pull in a particular area like social media, or one
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  Speaker 4: that controls people's access to any type of communications or
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  Speaker 4: property ownership, anything like that, and banks, especially like local
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  Speaker 4: banks and stuff, that have to rely on payment processors
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  Speaker 4: for money transfers, every single one of them, they're all
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  Speaker 4: subject to a social credit system where if they do
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  Speaker 4: business with people who have political statements, make political statements,
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  Speaker 4: or engage in political activism that the banks that control
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  Speaker 4: the payment processors do not like, they get defunded, you
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  Speaker 4: don't get a loan, or we won't process your payments.
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  Speaker 4: Patreon was forced to in their relationships with people because
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  Speaker 4: of that. Various social media companies have been forced to
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  Speaker 4: ban people because of that. National banks and even some
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  Speaker 4: international banks have actually been forced to debank people because
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  Speaker 4: of that. And that's something that only can be handled
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  Speaker 4: by essentially taking away banks' power to determine who gets
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  Speaker 4: to make payments and who doesn't. And the exact opposite happened.
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  Speaker 4: The Obama administration interfered. They essentially came along and said,
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  Speaker 4: there's there's terrorism, and in order to fight this terrorism,
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  Speaker 4: the banks have to dbank people that are engaging in
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  Speaker 4: political activism that the Obama administration does not like. And
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  Speaker 4: as a result, you saw a significant amount of i
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  Speaker 4: can't remember what it was called choke point activity, targeting
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  Speaker 4: anything that wasn't far left wing. And it continued from
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  Speaker 4: the midst of the Obama administration, past the point where
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  Speaker 4: the law was repealed or the policy was repealed and
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  Speaker 4: the banks were told, oh, I don't do that anymore,
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  Speaker 4: and oh, sure, we're not doing that anymore. And then
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  Speaker 4: they did it under the radar, and there still doing
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  Speaker 4: it today. They're doing it on behalf of organizations like
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  Speaker 4: Collective Shout and the You and Women Organization, which is
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  Speaker 4: by the way, funded by tax payer dollars from the
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  Speaker 4: United States. So using your money, these women are defining
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  Speaker 4: and describing you based on their terms, and they're targeting
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  Speaker 4: you for this same sort of financial discrimination, which does
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  Speaker 4: need to be ended through national policy. You can't do
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  Speaker 4: business in our country if you are going to use
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  Speaker 4: leaning on and leaning on businesses in this country to
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  Speaker 4: discriminate against people on the basis of their political views
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  Speaker 4: as your means of controlling whether or not you and
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  Speaker 4: your political goals get criticized.
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  Speaker 3: So for anyone who's worried that Europe and North America
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  Speaker 3: might fall under a system like the Chinese credit system,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be much worse than that. The Chinese
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  Speaker 3: social credit system depends on how much you support China,
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  Speaker 3: on how much you focus on your in group preference.
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  Speaker 3: Might call that right wing, but nobody seems to care
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  Speaker 3: when it's the right wing of a country that it
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  Speaker 3: is somehow immune from this narrative. No, when we get
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  Speaker 3: social credit scores in Europe and North America, when I
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  Speaker 3: say that, I mean USA and Canada, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be quite the opposite. You're going to get scored social
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  Speaker 3: credit when you prioritize any country other than your own.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that sounds counterintuitive given that China is
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  Speaker 3: a communist country, so you'd think they'd be the world's
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  Speaker 3: most left wing thing. But no, West sort of depends
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  Speaker 3: on what what you define as left and right wing,
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  Speaker 3: like China is a communist current, but it's very much
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  Speaker 3: in favor of its own people, particularly the Han people.
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  Speaker 3: And if that happened in Europe or North America, it
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  Speaker 3: would be called right wing, racial and cultural Germany and
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  Speaker 3: focusing on one's own people. But paradoxically enough, no, like
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  Speaker 3: I said, when we get the social credit score, it
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  Speaker 3: will be the exact opposite. You will lose social credits
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  Speaker 3: if you favor your own country. You will lose social
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  Speaker 3: credits if you favor your own people. Now you might
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  Speaker 3: wonder how the opposite thing could happen in Europe and
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  Speaker 3: North America that is happening in China. And yes, that's
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  Speaker 3: a good question, that's a good query, like why why
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  Speaker 3: would the same system be operated in opposite directions in
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  Speaker 3: different countries? And you might want to ask yourself how
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  Speaker 3: it happened in China in favor of the Chinese government,
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  Speaker 3: and then it happened in all these other Western countries
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  Speaker 3: in favor of China, like Western governments copied the Chinese
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  Speaker 3: government in terms of credit score, and you get your
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  Speaker 3: life ruined if you don't do what you're told, get
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  Speaker 3: your life improved if you do what you're told and
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  Speaker 3: it all comes back to China. Isn't it funny how
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  Speaker 3: all comes back to China and any other communist nation
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  Speaker 3: that's trying to undermine that the Western nations who still
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  Speaker 3: have any semblance of individual rights and mentioning that is
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  Speaker 3: going to start another shipstorm in the comments between whether
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  Speaker 3: this comes down to individual rights or collective rights. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't have nobody got out for that, but so
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Leave it there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is one of those subjects like
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  Speaker 4: we've been covering this for free. We've been covering this,
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  Speaker 4: I want to say since twenty thirteen, twenty thirteen or
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  Speaker 4: twenty fourteen when we first became aware of of Christy.
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  Speaker 4: I just typed about it in the chat. But credit
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  Speaker 4: Sesame is in the United States. It's just built as
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  Speaker 4: a company that helps you keep track of your credit.
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  Speaker 4: But it comes out of China, and it is a
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  Speaker 4: company that helps you keep track of your social credit
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  Speaker 4: score in China, and it is it is going to
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  Speaker 4: be a pathway here in the US for doing the
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  Speaker 4: same thing, for implementing the social credit score system. So
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  Speaker 4: this is something that you know, like there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people that are talking about it now that are like, well,
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  Speaker 4: have you talked about this organization or that organization. We've
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  Speaker 4: been talking about this since before. Those organizations have been
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  Speaker 4: part of the public discussion and the organization that you
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  Speaker 4: actually need to be concerned about because everything else that
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  Speaker 4: you might mention, like individual people, companies and stuff are
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  Speaker 4: all like branched out from the World Economic Forum, and
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  Speaker 4: people that are involved in the World Economic Forum. None
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  Speaker 4: of them are independent. None of them are you know,
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  Speaker 4: things that if you destroy or outlaw or takeover or
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  Speaker 4: otherwise gain control over, say Pallunteer or any of the
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  Speaker 4: individual billionaires that are that are involved in this, this
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  Speaker 4: problem will not go away from that because those It's
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  Speaker 4: kind of like pulling the footpart I guess, off of
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  Speaker 4: the leg of a spider. You know, even if that
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  Speaker 4: leg is a little bit handicapped by that, it's still
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  Speaker 4: got seven other legs and you haven't removed its thangs,
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  Speaker 4: and so it'll still come after you. So like, don't
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  Speaker 4: don't start getting bogged down with the fingertips when you
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  Speaker 4: know you're kind of ignoring the body and the brain
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  Speaker 4: of this issue. In the meantime, like the organization that
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  Speaker 4: we are talking about today. We're talking about it because
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  Speaker 4: guynes centrism is used as a means of shoehorning this
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  Speaker 4: in Well, people have this tendency. If you come along
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  Speaker 4: and say, we're just we're here to take away this freedom.
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  Speaker 4: We think people don't need this freedom anymore, and this
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  Speaker 4: freedom is interfering with government power and government control over
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  Speaker 4: the population. We're just going to eliminate it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with this law or policy. It's all gone. Sorry, you
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  Speaker 4: can't have that anymore. By people get upset, right, they
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  Speaker 4: recognize that they are being railroaded out of their their
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  Speaker 4: civil rights, and they'll protest, they'll vote people out of office,
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  Speaker 4: They'll they'll have temper tantrums that are completely justified. They
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  Speaker 4: might get violent, and they will put the kabash to that.
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  Speaker 5: Behavior right away.
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  Speaker 4: Well, when you come along and you say women are
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  Speaker 4: victims of abuses of this particular civil right, and therefore
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  Speaker 4: we need to compromise this civil right an amount in
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  Speaker 4: order to protect women, the entire population fails to hear
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  Speaker 4: we're compromising your civil right and say, oh, we're protecting women.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, we'll go along with that.
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  Speaker 4: We won't complain right, and you come along and do
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  Speaker 4: that in little increments. We're going to compromise that civil
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  Speaker 4: right a little more because women are still being victimized
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  Speaker 4: by abuses of it, and they don't really get clear
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  Speaker 4: about what an abuse is like. It's considered an abuse
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  Speaker 4: of the right to do process. If an accused man
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  Speaker 4: who's being tried for some violent crime against a woman
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  Speaker 4: proves his innocence using exculpatory evidence. And it started with
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  Speaker 4: if that evidence might embarrass or slut shame the woman,
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  Speaker 4: you can't use it. The goalpost moved to if that
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  Speaker 4: evidence might, you know, make a woman appear to have
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  Speaker 4: consented when she claims she didn't on the basis of
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  Speaker 4: you know, her overt behavior, you can't use that. If
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: it's a incident communication that proves that she's lying and
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: that's going to embarrass or you can't. We don't want
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: you using that right. And it goes on. It gets
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: worse every time they make a little bit of cut
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: to your civil right, and that's been going on for
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: more than half a century in the United States. We're
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: just we're just going to change the definition of this
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: crime to every possible way that we can band it
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: to accuse more men of it without accusing more women.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: It's like an awfully weird thing for a patriarchy to
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: be doing.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, guy, patriarchy sucks. Worst patriarchy ever, I mean everything.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Oppression.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: God, men can't even do that, right, You can't even
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: oppress this probably.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: My gosh, we women are victims of not being impressed.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: But yeah, this is this is just an extension of that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: So when when you hear what you and women has
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: to say about the Men's Rights Spectrum and men's Issues
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Discussion spectrum, be aware that their terminology, their definition, their
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: descriptions and so on, those are going to be used
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: by you and women and eventually just the u in
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: if they're not stopped, they're going to be used to
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: inform policy, to inform international law, to influence law in
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: various countries against you by portraying women as victims of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: the boundaries that you're setting, and any complaints that you
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: might have against being discriminated against, Sorry that you're not
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: allowed to complain. And when your nation, your country makes
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: it a lesser crime with a lesser term used and
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: less stigma attached to punishment. When a woman commits a
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: violent crime against you as opposed to if you commit
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: a violent crime against a woman, you're not allowed to
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: complain about that. You're not allowed to complain about your
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: children being kept from you and not being able to
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: mentor them. You're not even allowed to complain about it
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: what it does to them. You're not allowed to complain
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: that it makes them fifty percent more likely to get
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: in trouble with the law if they don't have you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: in their lives, and you're not allowed to ask for
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: protection for your parental rights on that basis because women,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: and you're definitely definitely not allowed to complain that. Women
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: can vote to send you to war and you can't
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: say no. But they are not obligated to step up
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: and do anything for their country under any circumstances by
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: any law. That's apparently a bridge too far. Before we
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: get into the actual article, we have two super chats
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: or super chows, I mean Richard Pierre gave us five
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: dollars and said something to keep in mind about the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: hockey team. This might be from previous show because it
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: looks like it was. Yeah, on the fifth the hockey
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: team is that Canada doesn't have a prohibition on Double
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Jeopardy of the hockey team that was falsely accused, so
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the Crown could always bring charges again and go through
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: further criminal trials. Being acquitted doesn't ensure that they can't
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: be repeatedly prosecuted. I think that the particular radio personality
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: was put through four criminal trials to get the desired
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: verdict on one acquittal. The judge had been referred to
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: some specialized legal training. Think that elief might have been involved.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: And that's another thing. Like in the US, if you're acquitted,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: you're acquitted. In Canada, if you're acquitted, they try again,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: or at least they can. In terms of acquittals where
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: there was evidence that the other side couldn't refute, all
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: they have to do is just push for change to
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the law. You can't submit that evident we had. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: can't remember his name, but there was a case we
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: discussed a while back where a part of the evidence
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: that was submitted was a whistleblower from within the group
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: of female accusers against this guy came in and gave
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: the defense all of their communications organizing their false allegations
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: against him. So submitted into evidence were those communications and
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: their communications with him after the incidents that they were
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: calling rape where they said, had a great time, can't
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: wait to do it again. I don't think I've ever
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: said that to anybody who's ever done anything horrible to me,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: had a great time being done wrong by you, Let's
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: do it again. Nope, not a thing. And immediately after
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: that case concluded, feminist organizations began lobbying for changes to
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Canadian rape law that would ban those times communications as
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: part of the ban of entering any kind of evidence
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: that that has to do with her sex life, you
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: can't talk about her sexual behavior outside of that incident. So,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: in other words, they knew that evidence was genuinely exculpatory. Yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: they didn't want it to be admissible. And if you
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: combine those two facts, you get the government can just
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: change the law so you can't admit the evidence that
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: proves you innocent and try again. That's that's just disgusting.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: But it it sounds, you know, right in line with
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: the Canada. And was it Issan Sorry nope, Okay, a
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: different case.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: The name started with a G and was I believe
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: an Italian name. But it was a pretty name. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: remember that, but it just was a It's one that
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I can't like drag into my head right now, or
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: rather drag out as a little recess somewhere in the
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: back of my head where it's being stored.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: But yeah, no, Canada is just I don't know how
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: anybody takes anything seriously that comes out of that country.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Right well, I don't. I don't consider Canada to have
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: an actual legal system. They have a Rube Goldberg device
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: for railroading people.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: That like yes Johnshi, Yes Yo Meshi and yeah he
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: He's lucky that they didn't do that to him because
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: that law was really pushed and I don't know if
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: it has been made law or not, but if it
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: has been, like that puts every guy that gets falsely
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: accused in jeopardy.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: We got five dollars from Meredith G who said HBr
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: talked three sixty six honey for the Badgers, and five
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: dollars from XERANX, who said this is why I stress
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: u sec cases for bitcoin when I come across post
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: talking about it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: The banks and governments denied wanting to implement central bank
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: digital current currency bbdcs, and then switch to actively showing
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: interest in them, followed by outrightly talking about them. If
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: CBDCs are implementmented, the stock coin will drop sharply and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: people will cry about the loss of their money. Moneyed
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: interests already manipulated the crypto market to leverage their holdings
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: so that they're more capable to push their weight around,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: so maybe it doesn't matter. These are still a threat
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: as long as crypto like bitcoin exists independently, regular people
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: have the means of pushing for their own goals, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: the banks can get stuffed. Hopefully all of that was understood.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Sorry for this being slightly off the path of the topic.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: The only drawback with in my opinion, with various types
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: of cryptocurrency that are out there is that you still
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: have to buy them with transfers of cash.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Initially, what you're.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Investing when you invest in cryptocurrency is fiat currency. You're
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: investing your national currency through your bank and through your
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: payment processors. So until payment processors are banned from preventing
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: people from doing business with each other on the basis
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: of this individual being canceled, that's still going to affect
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: the cryptocurrency market. They can just say sorry, you can't
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: use any type of credit card or any type of
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: direct transfer from your bank, and unless there's a system
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: set up where you can actually go into a store
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: like a brick and mortar store with cash and hand
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: it over to a salesperson to purchase cryptocurrency that you
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: can then use for online purchases, and you will not
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: be able to buck that. And in fact, Canada is
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: a test case for that too, because they they did
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: pass a law that allows them to control the purchase
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: and use of existing cryptocurrency a while back, and that
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: did interfere with funding of protests and stuff. So like
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: there's we're still looking at. No matter what other route
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: you take, there's no way to get around the fact
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: that the public is going to have to find a
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: way to stop banks and payment processors from making small
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: governments out of themselves and taking control over your freedom
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: of association, because that's what they're doing. So in the meantime,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: like I said, one of the methods that's being used
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: to push for this, and specifically to push against us,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: is this characterization that we're going to look at tonight
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Manisphere ideologies. Now, remember we've gone through in this article
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: we talked about the characterization of the manisphere as a
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: growing threat that is gaining traction, that is harmful you
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: can see the terminology they used, and we went through
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: these earlier paragraphs to get you through. This is them
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: poisoning the water. So what you're reading now is after
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: the article characterizes the entire manisphere by through poisoning the
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: water with terminology, portraying us as as dangerous, hateful, influential,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: a threat to women specifically, and a challenge to you
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: in women specifically, and then promising that they're taking action
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: to stop online misogyny and digital abuse. Right, So, in
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: light of that, they have said the manisphere is an
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: umbrella term for online communities that have increasingly promoted narrow
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: and aggressive definitions of what it means to be a man.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm sorry because this is just sticking out
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: in my mind. Wasn't it the pure research that that
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: found that it's mostly women who are online being hateful
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: and abusive towards other people? Yes, so when are we
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: going to like focus on that? But no, no, no, no, no,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: it's just men existing online and speaking about issues that
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: directly affect them, you know, complain, complaining or talking about it,
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: or just you know, just saying, hey, there's a problem
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: here that we need to discuss. That's a problem. But
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: but but you know, women can just go online with
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: impunity and just say and do the most the nastiest
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: things to each other and and that's not a problem.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: Like we we can't talk about that, no, of course
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: not because that that would be uh, you know, that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: oppressing women. That's that's not the right kind of misogyny.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's pretty pretty standard though, I mean,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: most most abusive people are women. Women can get away
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: with it, right. The stats on inanimate partner in sexual
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: violence demonstrates that approximately two thirds plus of a partner
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: abuse is female initiated when it's one way and there's
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: only one abuser in a relationship. Seventy percent is female perpetrated.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: When it's stalking, harassment and things like that, mostly female perpetrated.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: We only do something about it when it's male perpetrated,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: but when when it's female perpetrated, it's much more widespread.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: People don't take it as seriously until she hurts him,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you know, and you end up in situations where because
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: the Jodyarius case, for instance, they trying to break up
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: with her and they had the day that she killed him,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: she had come to his house basically without his permission
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: and nagged him into makeup sex and then she waited
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: until he was naked and vulnerable in the shower. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: you can see that his face is wet from the shower,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: so he's naked, blind, and vulnerable in that moment. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: it's just when you see the pictures that she took
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: that actually were published online, right that that was horrific,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the fear in his eyes. And nobody took her stalking
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: and harassment and cluster b cluster fuck personality seriously until
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: she went completely ape shit on that guy, shot him,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: stabbed him multiple times, and then took pictures of her crime,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: you know, to brag about it basically or to memorialize it,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: and later tried to use that as a means of
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: claiming that she had been abused. And this is not
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: an abuse victim is a cold, stone cold psychopath. But
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: that is how women get away with that behavior to
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: the point where they killed someone. And if a man
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: had done all the same things that Arius did leading
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: up to the killing, he'd have been the woman's friends
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: would have had him out of her life. He'd have
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: been in jail for stalking, harassment. But yeah, narrow and
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: aggressive definitions of what it means to be a man.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: And this is their claim that their straw man of masculinity,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: which is toxic masculinity, is our description of how it
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: means to be a man, what it means to be
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: a man when we read this part last week, though,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: and a false narrative that finism and gender equality of
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: come at the cost of men's rights.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I believe we.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Gave some examples. We've given examples prior. The Manisphere targets mail, audiences,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: on social media, podcast gamer communities, dating apps, just about
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: all digital spaces. Many participants engage with it while searching
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: for forums to openly discuss or learn about men's issues, which.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: You know this.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: This is a funny way to say, how dare people
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: wanting to talk about men's issues talk to men about
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: men's issues? How dare men have this conversation out of
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: women's control? And somebody's asking, Can I show a full
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: shot of the page? No, it's not a screenshot. This
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: is I'm going through the article. This is a link
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: the articles title. This is on you and Women's site.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: It's called what is the Manisphere and Why Should We Care?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And it was published in May, So if you want
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: to look it up. That's the title you should search for.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Let's go back down to this. Yeah, there we go,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: think I there we go. Yeah, this is where we
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: really were last time. So just so you know, while
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: groups within the manisphere do not all share the same beliefs,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: many are united in their misogyny. Misogyny. Right, it's misogyny
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: to criticize feminist ideology and feminists trampling of civil rights
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: where you know they target men. But in the end,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: when your due process rights are compromised, everybody's due process
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: rights are compromised. I start with one thing and it expands.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: You know, if you can't embarrass your accuser in court
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: with information that contradicts their narrative about who they are
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: and why what they say should automatically be believed, then
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: you can't do that when the government accuses you of
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: something either. You can't do that when your employer wants
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: to say that, no, they didn't wrongfully fire you or
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: otherwise discriminate against you. You're just a bad employee. If
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: you men can't do that, Ultimately women won't be able
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to either. Women are so short sighted for this stuff.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: So our misogyny a prejudice and resentment of women and girls.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: In many ways, the manisphere descended from a long line
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: of anti feminist movements. So here we are again. Before
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: they start describing what groups they're talking about and characterizing
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: them using their own terminology, they have to once again,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: just one more time, poison poison waters, so you don't
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: get to actually consider anything about these groups. And they
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: start with involuntarily celibate men because they don't really care
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: about involuntarily celibate women. They say, these major manuspread Manisphere
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: groups spread myths, pseudoscience, and life is based on gender right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: And so in cells they describe as men who believe
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: that men are entitled to sex. Now, I've spent quite
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: a bit of time with talking to in cells and
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: hearing from in cells. I've looked into some in cell
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: forms that belief is not expressed anywhere outside of feminist
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: feminist claims about.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: In cells mischaracterization.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what is described is when it comes to sex,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: women are the gatekeepers. It's recognized that consent is essentially
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: a woman's territory, right, and it's provable that it's essentially
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: a woman's territory because when you talk about sexual violence,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: for instance, men do not have the same legal protection
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: for their right to say no as women do. So
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: getting a woman's consent has been expanded, you know, as
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: a requirement from don't do anything against her will to
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: if she feels bad about it later, she can say
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: she didn't consent and you're still in trouble. Even if
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: she communicated consent to you in multiple ways, like reaching
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: down your pants and grabbing your dick, that doesn't count
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: if you didn't get on your knees and beg for
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: permission and get told, you know, with pom ponds in hand. Yes, yes,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: definitely touch me. That is the gist of the enthusiastic
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: consent narrative, and the worst part is a woman can
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: always say that her consent wasn't enthusiastic, that she felt
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: intimidated into giving it, that she was afraid to tell
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: you no, and she didn't even have to prove she
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: had a reason to be afraid. She then certainly doesn't
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: have to prove you gave her a reason to be afraid.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: At the same time, and who want sex and are
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: rejected respond violently, like women in bars who will glass
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: a guy for turning him down. Women have gone so
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: far as too. There was a new story a while
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: back of women who attacked him in with a machete.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: She demanded sex from him, and when she was later arrested,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: they decided even though she used a weapon to force
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: a man to comply with her sexual demands, they decided
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: she wasn't considered a rapist, it was just she was
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: mentally ill. All rapists are mentally ill. Sexual intimacy is
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: about finding somebody that wants to be with you and
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: making a connection with them. Rape is the opposite of that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Is it's the exact polar opposite of that, and if
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: you get off on that, there's something mentally wrong with you,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: male or female. Sorry, So involuntary celibates supposedly believe that
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: men are entitled to sex. One of the most articulated
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: thing and in cell forums is that it's very clear
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: that men are not entitled to sex, but women are.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: But they get to choose who has sex, and they
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: are abusive about rejection and about controlling sexual access. They're
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: very shallow in their reasons for rejection. And there isn't
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: a single part of that that isn't true, Like in
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: cells are right about women and that women purposely deprive
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: them of it. Extremist in cell culture promotes rape and
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: assault and brings together other ideologies they say, including racism
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: and homophobia. In cells have been linked to acts of
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: mass violence. So let's look at these things at one
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: at a time. Extremist in cell culture promotes rape and assault.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: This is essentially putting together a bunch of buzzwords with
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: an allegation while providing no proof as a means of
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: again undermining undermining this group. If in cell culture actually
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: promoted rape and assault, given how many of them have
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: bought into the various maxing dialogues and made changes to
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: themselves on the basis of those, you would see a
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: huge uptick. If they were promoting rape, you would see
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: a huge uptick in rape. But that's not the case.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: They haven't promoted rape and assault. Now they do tell
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: rape jokes, but rape jokes primarily make fun of the rapist,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: bringing together other ideologies, including racism and homophobia. Actually, there's
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of in cells out there that are straight
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: that lament not being gay because life would be easier
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: if they were gay. You know, if they're they were gay,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't to deal with the way that women treat men.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: The other thing is that there are gay in cells.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: You know, if you live in a community where you're
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: the only gay dude and you don't really have much
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: opportunity to get out and date, you might be an inceel.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: In cells have been linked, they said, two acts of
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: mass violence.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: This one.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: This one is a little more complicated. There have been
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: several acts of mass violence where the individual involved has
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: been described widely by establishment media as an inceel, not
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: due to actually being an in cell who participates in
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: in cell forums and has the complaints or makes the
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: complaints that in cells make, but because the media just
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: associates the individual's complaints with in cells and the guys
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: that are like, they're sort of their top five. They
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: all had other things that were their main cause for
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: what they did, most mostly mental illness. But they were
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: not actually in cells who are attacking anybody based on
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: in cell ideology, which in cell ideology doesn't exactly exist.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: In cells describe things, but they don't have a unified
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: here's how you have to live in order to be
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: an in cell thing, like they don't even all agree
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: on whether or not. In seldom has to be a
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: permanent thing, so in any case, the claim that in
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: cells have been linked to acts of mass violence as
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a weasel word. It's very much like when somebody says
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Andrew Tait has been accused of human trafficking. Now, if
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: you're talking about this is the attitude feminists have, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: it's widespread toward Andrew Tate, and someone makes the argument
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: that it's unreasonable. The fact that he's been accused kind
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: of contributes to that attitude, because women a lot of
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: times just will automatically believe those types of accusations, right,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: just like women will automatically believe those articles, they won't
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: look any further into it. They won't discover that, you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: one guy targeted mostly men and really didn't, you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: have an in cel outlook, He had a narcissistic outlook.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Another guy was abused by his mother and seems that
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: seems to be the actual basis for his targeting, you know.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: And and then you have I think they tried to
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: call the Florida school shooter the Parkland shooter an inceel
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: when in fact, actually he was. He was just a
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: early fucked up kid who's who was failed by every
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: adult in his life, didn't have anything to do with
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: in cells. There's one in one or two in candidate
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: that they did the same thing with that again, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: no involvement within cells. It was proved he was was
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: guided into statements about being part of the manisphere in
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: his initial interview, and then it was proved later that
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: he didn't have that involvement, but that part wasn't widely
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: reported because it wasn't convenient for establishment media. So when
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: it really comes down to it, the so called in
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: cell mass killers don't exist. They are false framing of
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: cases that actually had other causes. And they'll do that
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: over and over again, like every time they get an
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: opportunity to characterize an aspect of like mass violence or
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: any other profoundly bad thing that happens, that they'll do it.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: But it does scare enough people into thinking that something
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: needs to be done about in cells. Really easy to
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: do something about in cells, right, maybe treat them like
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: human beings instead of scum under your shoes.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that would be nice. That's a way to go, ye,
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: But no, no, it's just you can't get laid so
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: let's just throw you under the bus like you're just
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: a piece of trash and that it grinds my fucking gears, man,
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: I cannot stand that, you know. And the unfortunate thing
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: is that they've taken the label and just apply it
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: to anyone, anyone everywhere, you know, and even when it
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: doesn't really fit right, it's just a way to, you know,
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: just throw shade on people because you don't agree with me.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: It's disgusting, it's disgusting. You're taking a group of people
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: who actually have a legitimate reason to have, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: they have a gripe, they have a real reason to
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: feel the way that they feel about whatever. You know.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: But no, it's just you can't get laid so you're
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: just you're just trash. Let's just throw you away. Well,
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: it's not gonna it's not gonna end badly at all.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Right right now in.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Cells are just men who haven't been officially blessed on
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: the altar of women. That's that's what it is. It's
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: it's just like this, this paradox you discover in your
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: teenage years that women don't say, I should say, teenage
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: girls don't like teenage boys who are who are virgins.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: We can talk all this shit about how women are
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: considered pure for being virgins and men are considered losers
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: for being virgins. And it all comes down to that,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: like women will not be interested in you until you've
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: had sex with a woman. And this is a hell
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: of a conundrum that teenage boys find themselves in. Who
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: am I? What women am I supposed to find that
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: is going to give me the blessing that is going
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: to make all the other women like me? And it does,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: and that is exactly what happens. There are many memes
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: along the lines of as soon as you get a
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: girlfriend or the other girls look at you with that,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: with that come to bed eyes. Now that you've had
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: the blessing of a woman, I suddenly want you. Like
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: a day ago, when you were a virgin, you were
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: nothing to me. You were a not person, you were
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: a ghost person. But now that you've had the blessing,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: the official blessing of the touch of a woman, now
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: you're a real person. That's how it works, from the
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: moment we passed puberty for the rest of our lives.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: And I say it's paradoxical in all manner of ways.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: For everything feminists say about how women are considered sluts
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: if they've touched too many men, well, men are considered
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: in cells if they haven't touched enough women or or
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: any women in a recent enough time. And it's because
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: the touch of a man is considered corrosive, corrupt, corrupting,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: whereas the touch of a woman is like being touched
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: by God. In the religion we find ourselves in nowadays,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: being touched by a woman is like being touched by Jesus.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Like you're not accepted into the faith until you can
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: be proved to have received the magical touch of a woman.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And people look at this and call it a patriarchy.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: It's maddening. And I don't know how we get I
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: don't know how we get this across the normies when
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: they've been when they've been taught this ship so long
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: that they think women are considered sluts if they have
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: sex with men, whereas men are considered duds if they
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: have sex with women, and that that's a male privilege,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: like no, Like receiving the touch of the holy ones
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: makes you makes you a man who is acceptable to
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: other women. Not receiving the touch of the demonic ones
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: is what makes a woman holy? Like how do people
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: not see through this that we live in a society
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: and and with a general overlook where the touch of
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: a man is demonic and the touch of a woman
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: is angelic.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: And somehow this is a patriarchy female narcissism. Yeah, it's
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: how they don't see through this.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: It's a religious female narcissism.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yep. And that extends to every one of these
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: groups too. They go on to characterize US men's rights
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: activists as often taking an academic tone to claim that
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: feminism in women's rights to vote, to education, to leadership position. Nobody,
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: by the way, has a right to. Men don't have
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: a write to a leadership position. They have to earn it.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: What feminists are mad about is that women also have
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: to earn it, and that's what they fight. They fight
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: women having to earn it. They want it to be
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: handed to them. But yeah, that women's rights have disadvantaged men.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: That's that's the claim MRA preachers suggests. I've met very
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: few MRA preachers, by the way, suggest that society is guyinocentric,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: that is dominated by female interests. So that's not what
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: guyinocentrism is. I have a definition for you. Just give
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: me a second. Well, I'm talking about that though, the
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: academic tone argument that they're making right. So men's rights
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: activists site research often feminist research, by the way, and
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: also discuss the history of law and government policy, which
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: is an academic discussion, so it's not an academic tone.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: They're mad that we are describing reality and we're not.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: We don't sound stupid when we do it, like that's
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: essentially their complaint. These guys don't sound like idiots. If
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: we if they sounded like idiots, we could make them
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: go away. But in any case, so that they're they're
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: they're actually just angry that that we're not. They can't
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: use sounding academic themselves, which a lot of what feminists
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: say is is academic gobbledygoo buzzword soup essentially, So you
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: don't have, uh, this claim being made so much about feminists.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: They've built an entire body of or academic area of
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: writing and fake research that is based on claims that
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: haven't really been verified validated, They haven't been tested properly,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: they haven't been challenged within the feminist movement, and then
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: they take those claims and they use them as the basis.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: For say, surveys.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: So feminists claim that it should be considered rape if
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: if a woman is even just a little bit tipsy
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: and she has sex with a man, that that eliminates
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: her ability to consent. Even if her consent is enthusiastic,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: she is fully able to appraise her actions, has no
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: regrets after the event, a feminists claim that he has
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: raped her, and so as a result of that, they
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: base their questions in sexual misconduct prevalence survey methods, like
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: they base their questions on that assumption that that is
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: is true, that all women who have had some alcohol
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: have been are victims of rape. If they so much
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: as changed their minds about what they were going to
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: do during the evening because a guy bought them a drink,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: that that constitutes them being raped. So that that's feminist
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: academia right there. Feminist academia is about false framing and
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: using repeated insistence that their false framing be adopted as
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: a means of advocating for changes of standards within the
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: culture and changes of standards within law and policy. Alcohol
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: facilitated rape under the law has historically been determined by
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: the ability of the alleged victim to appraise her actions.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: So if she didn't know what she was doing, if
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: she didn't know where she was, if she couldn't get
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: up and walk by herself, if she maybe didn't didn't
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: understand the situation because she was too drunk to get
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: a grasp on what was happening or remember her own values,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: if she passed out, if she had to have it
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: like you later on had to have explained to her
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: what had happened because she couldn't remember. You know, there
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: had been other evidence that she was too drunk to
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: understand when it was happening to her, Like those conditions
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: were required if her blood outcohol content was super high,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: you know, things like that, and that wasn't satisfactory to feminists.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: They didn't want to limit alcohol facilitated rape to situations
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: in which a woman actually couldn't determine for herself what
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: she was or was not going to do based on
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: her own interests and desires. They wanted it to include
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: instances where she was simply mildly compromised in terms of
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: her inhibitions, you know, where she might be a little
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: bit more relaxed than she was earlier on in the night,
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: and as a result, she might have less anxiety associated
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: with saying yes, or maybe she changed her mind about
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: this guy because he was generous enough to buy her
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: a drink, which you know does happen. Yeah, it's it's
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: us right that use academia to make these claims, not
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: feminists that use academia to demonize men. Men have been
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: disadvantaged by the way if a man gets married and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: has a couple of kids with his wife, even if
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: you know they really are his kids, which in approximately
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: a third of cases, there's evidence that that's not true,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: and there's evidence that at least one might not be
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: their kids. If she decides that she's going to cheat
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: and leave, she doesn't want to stay because he doesn't
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: do the laundry, if you know, she decides that she
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: could have a happier life on her own, anything that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: results in her deciding to leave the marriage. When when
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: they go to divorce court, it's presumed before they ever
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: walk into court that she's the more important parent, that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: the kids don't need to be with him, that his
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: parenting is not important to them, but his wallet is,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: and that he's the bad guy and the divorce is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: his fault and he has to fight tooth and nail
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: to protect his right to any property that he has
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: worked for during the marriage, and sometimes property that he
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: owned prior to the marriage, quite frequently property that he
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: owned prior to the marriage. He has to fight for
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: the right to parent his own children, and he has
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: to fight for the right to have enough of his
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: earnings left in his possession after the marriage that he
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: doesn't become homeless, and all of those things he will
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: be fighting at a disadvantage because of guyinocentric policy known
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: as feminist jurisprudence, and yes, that comes from feminist activism.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: And that's just in family court. If he is accused
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: of a violent crime against a woman, his due process
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: rights are compromised, His public reputation is compromised, his ability
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: to recover that reputation, even if he's acquitted, is compromised,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: and his entire experience is going to be one of
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: being abused by the state on the word of a woman.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: So if he's in the workplace and a woman wants
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: his job, all she has to do is accuse him
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: of inappropriate behavior toward her in the workplace, and it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: doesn't even have to be sexual, you know, she can
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: accuse him of not talking to her enough and as
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: a result, indicating misogyny. Because he's avoiding her. That's enough.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: I've seen men disciplined in the workplace for that, even
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: when other women besides the accuser were defending them. He
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: talks to me, just fine, I don't see why he
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: has a problem with you. You know, well, that's just gaslighting,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: and in the workplace you can't even have that. So, yeah,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: our men disadvantage. Yeah, they can be fired because a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: woman wants their job. They can be railroaded into jail
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: because a woman is mad at them, or doesn't want
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: to admit that she cheated on her boyfriend, or you know,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: otherwise has a reason to falsely accuse them of a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: violent crime they didn't commit. They can have their children
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: taken away on the word of a woman. They can
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: have their children taken away without the word of a woman,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: just on the legal assumption that the woman is the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: more important parent. And if they don't want that to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: happen in the midst of having all of their money
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: taken by the state and transferred to a woman, they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: have to pay for a legal case to fight it.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Gynocentrism is not dominated by feminist interests. A guynescentric society
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: is a society in which there is a dominant or
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: exclusive focus on women in theory or practice, leading to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: heavy influences. Everybody matters, females matter more, in other words,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: prioritization of female interests in the legal system, in the culture,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: and the economic system. The social standard is one that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: you know guys have shoved down their throats from early childhood.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: The first instance of it is the first time a
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: little boy at some family event gets up with the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: other kids to go to the table where all the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: potlack dishes are, and here's that the girls go before him,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: because ladies first. That's the first time, and that's shoved
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: down their throats their whole lives, right. They get told
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: by girls in elementary school, I can hit you, but
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: you can't do anything to me because I'm a girl
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: and I'm smaller and weaker than you. But I can
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: hit you all I want. All I have to do
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: is say you did something, And nobody tells the girls
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: don't do that, that's unladylike. They just tell the boys, well,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: you gotta find a way to deal with that without
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: lashing out, because ladies first. Ladies first. Dinocentrism is essentially
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: that ladies first in all things, everywhere, all the time.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: That's I'm sure there are guys in the audience that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: will remember the first time that that that happened to them.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Back of the line, right, Ladies first, hold the door please,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: Ladies first, limited seating lining up for a treat. Ladies first,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: give up your seat on the bus. Ladies first, and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: everybody but me is muted.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: You know, all of your stories are anecdotal. Man, Every
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: time this happened to you, it was just something that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: just happened to you and no other man ever, and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: you should shut the fuck up and take it. Whereas
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: everything that has ever happened to any woman ever has
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: happened to all women ever, and women should be rewarded
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: for this disadvantage. It's we've all seen the playbook. It's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: boring at this point, I know, we find ourselves still
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: having to talk about it because as boring at it
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: as it is, it's still fucking going on.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And and you know, I have a real hard
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: time calling these people ladies because they do not act
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: like ladies. They're just people with vaginas that are given
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: special fucking treatment because of said vagina. You know, it's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: it's ridiculous teach women to be fucking ladies again.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: To do that no, or is that misogyny to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: Yep, man, Teaching women to be ladies again will be
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: hard because teaching women to be ladies, a lady used
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: to have to have a specific characteristic of consideration for
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: other people. Mm hmm, hey, modern women don't do that.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: It is it is antithetical to modern femininity to consider
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: other people equally to much less before oneself.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: But it's this concept of being a better person that
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of people online seem to think they can
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: just say and not have to elaborate any further than that.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of people will say, you're teaching men to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: bend over backwards when all you can do is teach
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: women to be better people. And I'm like, yes, I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: agree with the sentiment, but what does it mean to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: be better people?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Like, at the same time, at the same time, feminists
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: will tell men to just be better people, what does
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: that mean? Like, this is why it's a completely useless
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: phrase and a completely useless sentiment. What does it mean
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: to be a better person? To me, it's a useless phrase.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: It's a useless sentiment because it's your first have to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: establish some sense of morality, some sense of what it
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: means to be a better person in relation to other people,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: and men sort of have this. Men sort of have like,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: treat women like human beings. You don't have to expect
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: anything from women, but you have to treat them like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: a certain thing, whereas women are just taught to expect
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: a certain thing from men. Women are not taught how
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: to treat men. And the concept of a good person
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: is caught up in all of this in how you
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: treat people and what you expect from people, and men
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: are just expected to treat people, and women are just
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: treated to expect people. And hopefully it does, but yeah,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: it's yeah, we've reached that point where it's women have
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: been treated to expect and men have been expected to
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: treat for so long that we've forgotten how to teach
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: anyone in any other way other than that. Many would
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: call it romantic chivalry, and many would call it feminism,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: and he would call it kind of centrism. Yeah. Again,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: men are expected to treating, women are treated to expect,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: and it's difficult to get this through to people without
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: setting up a big old education system for the purposes
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: of treating that to people. But the only education system
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: we have is good toward men bending over backwards and
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: cooking themselves and simping themselves for the sake of women. Yeah,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: and I mean all over the world, even in those
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: places where you think is the opposite, now it's not.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: It's the same everywhere, even in those so called patriarchies
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: that you're absolutely sure of. Patriarchies now, even those treat
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: women to expect for men and expect men to I've
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: said it multiple times now in the same runt, and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: I hope I've got through to anyone.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: No, it's interesting the societies that people the cultures that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: people think of, is that patriarchy over there. The things
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: that make them so called patriarchies simply all involve holding
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: women accountable for having decent character in order to be
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: considered virtuous and treated like a virtuous woman, as opposed
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: to a woman with no virtue. Whereas you know, all
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: cultures hold men accountable for demonstrating virtue if they are
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: to be treated as a virtuous man, and if if
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: they're not, if they if they're not accountable, then they
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: are not treated as virtuous men, and people criticize them,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: demonize them essentially you know, they they don't get the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: social approval for being a virtuous man. They might get
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: social approval for being successful, or for being entertaining, for
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: being outrageous, whatever, but they're not approved as virtuous men,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: and they're not trusted as virtuous men. Women demand automatic
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: treatment as virtuous. They demand veneration, not respect. And the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: term lady used to have some meaning. You had to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: have certain virtues. The reason women could display more delicate
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: sensibilities in regard to subject matter like sex and sexuality,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: crude discussions, cusswords, any kind of violence, and anything like that.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Women had those options because they demonstrated virtue in those areas.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: You can pretend to be offended when you hear the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: word fuck if you never say the word fuck. You know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: I cannot pretend to be offended by other people's crude
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: speech because I'm cruder than you are.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: I will fully and it sounds like fine words.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's the other thing, you know. Women could
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: pretend to be offended by rough behavior, violence, drinking too much, smoking,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: farting in public, anything like that, and they would right
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: because they didn't do those things. They didn't get into fights,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: they didn't hit each other, they didn't hit anybody. But
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: now women expect that same right to be taken seriously
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: acting offended over those behaviors. When men engaged in them
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: and yet still engaged in them themselves, they were entitled
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: to certain concessions and not afforded the men because they
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: leaned on being fragile in certain ways. And that fragility
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: then also was a reason why women had certain limitations.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: If you're too fragile to handle certain things, you cannot
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: then be expected to do jobs that involve those things.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: Right, And so.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: If you can expect men to carry heavy things for
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: you because you're weaker, then you cannot turn around and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: say it's discrimination when men don't give you a job
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: that involves picking up and moving heavy things with your
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: hands and not you know, some device. Then and this
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: is this is pretty much common sense one oh one, right,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: And and feminists fought to get rid of that, and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: they demanded a level of reverence that this is the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: worst part too.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: They'll walk into a place where a guy is doing
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: nothing wrong, but they are offended by something about him.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: He's he's not giving enough deference to women in some
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: way or another, And they'll what's the matter with that guy?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: Doesn't he respect women?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: And it'll sound very much like big red yell and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: patriarchy right in your face.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: What's the matter with you? Don't you respect women?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: Not very lady like at all? And then the act
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: shocked surprised if he says, why should I?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: And by the way, a man yelling in a woman's
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: face saying don't you respect men? Isn't very manlike either.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Now figure that out that How it's neither manlike or
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: ladylike to say you have to respect me for my
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: sex just because I say so? How can it be
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: neither man like or lady like? Well if we could
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: figure that out, ladies and gentlemen, so many of our
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: problems would be fixed. You don't deserve anything just for
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: being a woman, just like you don't deserve anything just
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: for being a man. You don't deserve anything just for
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: being a fucking human being. You deserve things in response
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: for what you do. You deserve reciprocation for the recipication
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: you give to what came before you. I does that.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: It makes perfect sense.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: There's another thing that I can add to this, all right,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: People know the term lady is the counterpart to gentlemen.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: What they don't realize is that the term comes from
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: being the counterpart to the mail term for a landowner
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: who was responsible for the welfare of all of the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: people who lived on his land, known as a lord.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: A land lord right under whom serfs were subject to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: his decision making, and in a way, serfdom was similar
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: to sharecropping in that everything that you made, everything that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: you produced, your landlord owned, and you whatever benefit you
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: got from it, you got at his discretion. But a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: lord was supposed to be benevolent and providing care for
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: the people who lived under him, and he was in
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: order to maintain his control and his respect that he
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: received from his serfs, he had to walk a fine
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: line where his authority was tempered with common sense, with
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: a lack of abuse, with a recognition that the people
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: he had under him were humans that would respond harshly
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: if he engaged in abuses, and if he stepped too far,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: they might haul him out of his castle and kill him.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: And a lady was the woman of the household in
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: that castle, and a lady had to have care and
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: compassion for the people around her. She had to recognize
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: the experiences of the people around her, because otherwise she
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: might fail to properly her lord's compassion and they would
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: both get killed. They would both get hauled out of
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: the castle and killed by the serfs. You know, even
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: if those serfs might get executed later, they would still
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: be dead. And today we just use the word lady
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: indiscriminately to describe all women everywhere, all the time, while
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: the word gentleman usually is reserved for greetings for an
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: audience ladies and gentlemen. But you don't usually hear very
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: many people referring to just your ordinary average guy, that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: gentleman over there, that dude, that guy bro you know
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: or bro, but not you know gentlemen. Let's do this, hey, guys,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: you know women still get terms of deference. Men just
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: get terms of commonality. So yeah, this is if you
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: do that doesn't just demonstrate guy inocentrism in our society.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: You maybe explained to me what it does demonstrate, because
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: I do not see it as anything else.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: It comes down to what a stranger would call you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: if they pointed at you while talking to you about
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: their child. We often have this thing in in a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: grocery store, the moment you real you realize you're a man.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Is when some women in the grocery store is talking
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: to their child and they and they point towards a
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: section of the aisle in the grocery store and they say,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: over there by where that man is, and and you
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: look around and you think, ship she's talking about me.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: I'm the I'm that man. I'm the man. And that's
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: or when or when the teenager who's whose job it
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: is to pack your groceries, like they refer to you
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: as sir or something like that. That like the highest
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: accolade a man can get is man or sir. Like
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: that's that's when a boy knows he's a man. And
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: it almost always comes as a complete surprise when some
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: randomer or rando as I should say, refers to them
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: as sir or that man. I guess it's different for
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: women because they have this word lady over there where
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: that lady is. I suppose that would be the equivalent,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: because the male equivalent of lady is gentlemen. And no
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: one ever refers to you as a gentleman, like unless
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: you're standing there in royal military uniform. No one's going
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: to no one's going to refer to you as a gentleman,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: that that term appears to have disappeared in terms of
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: all but royalty lady the female equivalent of gentlemen, and
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: so very much exists. Some absolute ratchet ho could be
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: referred to as a lady if someone in the vicinity
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: is being polite when they refer to them over there
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: where that lady is. That's what they would say to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: their child over there where that lady is. And yeah,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: it's indicative of the situation. The average woman can be
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: referred to as a lady, but the average man would
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: never be referred to as a gentleman. Make of that
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: what you will.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: I suppose a howling bands can get referred to as
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: a lady. If Pigmillion were made into My Fair Lady today,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: as opposed to back when it was, Liza Doolittle before
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: her transformation, would have been referred to as a lady.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: There would have been no distinction made between a gutter
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: snipe and a lady. All females get cold ladies, except
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: if you call me that, I will be insulted. I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: work for a living. I ain't no lady.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Even if someone goes like, hey, lady, you're doing something wrong.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, don't call me a lady.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: I've got that's like the equivalent of saying hey mister,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Like hey lady, it's sort of It's both a term
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: of class endearment and a term of randomization. Hey lady.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very cool and comedy. I'm not gonna do
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: the Jerry Lewis impression.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: I was staking of the Beastie boys. Hey lady.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that was a Jerry Lewis impression.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: A nice lady.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he used to be hilarious. But yeah, any case, yeah,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: lady being a lady is it's meaningless now right. We
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: did get a super chat from Frosted Glass who said
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: he has he gave us two dollars and said he
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: has an article linking to in cells to eugenics and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: asked if we're interested, I'll tell you what. That sounds
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: like a load of tripe, which might make fodder for
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: more content, so go ahead and send it to us.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: It's it'll be interesting, you know, if it's If it's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: long enough and you know, actually makes an argument, then yeah,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: well we might use it, especially if it if it
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: actually tries to treat in cells as a group that
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: has any level of power anywhere, because.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: We can talk a lot about that.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: But going on from their mischaracterization of MRAs, we pick
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: up artists frosted glasses.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: Send it now?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: How about if you can send it to me on
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: X or you can send it through our discord, which
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: you can. You can find out how to get into
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the free part of our discord on on Honeybadger Brigade
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: dot com. Then that would be a good way. Twitter
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: DM would be fine as well. If I'm not already
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: following you sort of at me with a tweet at
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: mentioned me I read my notifications. You can send it
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: to me that way too. It doesn't have to be
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: DM unless you don't want to publicly post that, but
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: I definitely will see it on X in any case.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: Pickup artists. So there's been years of people trying to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: make the men's rights movement disavow pickup artists, and the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: closest that I will get to that is to tell women,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: flat out, straight up, no holds barred. Pick up artists
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: are your fault. You created them. If you them, then
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: you need to do some reformation of your not just
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: your behavior, but your fucking gullibility.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Susceptible to pick up artistry, like there's a reason besides
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: the fact that I'm married. Someone tries to manipulate me
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: like that, it gets the hair up on the back
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: of my neck, and I'm gonna be rude to him.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't get that way if someone just tries,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: you know, plays plays his card and and and you know,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: I have to engage in rejection because obviously I'm not
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: getting into a relationship if I'm already in a relationship.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: Right there's a difference between just honestly, you know, shooting
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: your shot and trying to manipulate someone. That's the latter
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: is a bit bullshit, and the former makes you vulnerable.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: And you know, if women weren't so rude about rejection,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: if women weren't such bitches about rejection, and if women
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: weren't prone to rejecting when they might be better advised
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: to give a che do you miss out when you
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: don't get to know a guy, You don't give them
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: a chance if you're not in a relationship. Some of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: the coolest guys that I've ever met were guys that
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: other women turned down because they thought they were unattractive.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: But you know, pickup artistry isn't the answer to that,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: because you haven't formed a genuine connection, and you make
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: yourself vulnerable to false allegations, to later rejection, to the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: woman deciding that she is a victim of her own
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: choices and using that against you.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: It's really not.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Advisable in my opinion, for guys to be part of
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: this group. But that's their choice, right. Nobody's going to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: tell you that you can't do that. I might call
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: you a simp for it making women the focus of
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: your life, but I'm not going to tell you that.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: How dare you not I to tell you that it
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: should be illegal. I think it's just s ill advised.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: But you know the way that the feminist movement reacts.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Pick up artists teach members how to coerce women into
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: sex and mock the idea of sexual consent.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: The definition is quite easy. Pick up artists teach men
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: how to pick up women.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, it's.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Right there in the name, And I know there's all
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: sorts of things that aren't right there in the name.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: But pick up artists don't teach men how to coerce women.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: If anything, they coerce men into teaching women When you
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: describe it like that. The terms teach and coerce appear
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: to be interchangeable depending on what narrative you're trying to paint.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, pays don't don't teach men to coerce women.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: They coerce men into well picking up women, like and like,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with that in theory. There are things
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: that can go wrong with that if you have a
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  Speaker 3: bad teacher. And again, that's what a pe way is.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: It's a teacher. It's not a coerca. It's a teacher.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: And you can have terrible teachers and you can have
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: good teachers, especially when it comes to the art of
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: picking up women, because it's an impossibly complicated art, because
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: women are so impossibly complicated. Yeah, this is it is
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: why has shot this sentences. They've swapped over enough words
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: and enough concepts to make the idea of how to
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: attract a woman being fascism.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: Particularly, that's what they've done.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: They've said, like, hey, men, like, here's how I think
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: you can attract a woman, and that's rape now. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: that's what they've been doing for fucking twenty years or so.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know why I'm still sat
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: here trying to unravel this, uh, this concept. But that's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: all it ever was. Yes, it was adopted by some
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: whose names I won't mention. Yeah, of course there was
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: always going to be a community trying to teach men
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: how to attract women. I mean, why wouldn't there be
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: such a community. The oldest profession in the world is prostitutism.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: You would assume the second oldest profession in the world
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: that to teach men have to do that without prostitutism,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: And it kind of always has been. It's whatever.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: Well, and for anybody who thinks pick up artistry is
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: a new thing, you understand. Like thinking about movie tropes,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: for instance, movie tropes follow cultural realities. They usually are
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: are exaggerations of cultural realities, but they do follow cultural realities.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: So with that in mind, go find a nineteen sixty
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: movie called The Apartment with Jack Lemon in it and
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: see if you if you see any similarities, say between
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: the character Bud Baxter and Quagmire. Now, Quagmire is basically
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: a parody of Bud Baxter, Like it's it's the same
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: guy just in a cartoon. Even he looks like him,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: he dresses like him, it's hilarious. But yeah, in the
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: movie Baxter has he he's not just a pickup artist himself.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: He is.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: He lends his apartment out to like his bosses for
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: their extramarital affairs. And he has it set up where,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: you know, when he pushes a button, things come out
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: of the walls to make the room more romantic. The
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: lighting changes, and you know there's a record player because
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: back in the day, record players worth the thing. But
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: you know, the table flips over and all of a
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: sudden there's a wine set. He doesn't have a big,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: weird chin like Quagmire, but that might just sort of
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: to be a caricature exaggeration of another character that he played.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: I can't remember the last name. Let me see if
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: I can go find that really quick, because it's not
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: in my It's like again, it's not on the tip
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: of my tongue. It's one of those things that Professor Tate,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Oh Fate. Why the hell did I say Tate? Oh,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: because Andrew Tate, but Professor Fate, Professor Fate was I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: think they actually put a chin prosthetic. And see if
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: I can find a picture of Professor Fate and look
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: that up and see if I can show it. Nope,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: they didn't. They just he actually had a little x.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: He was carrying a little extra weight in comparison to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: his younger or or other roles when he played Professor Fate.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: But not very much, I don't think. But that's another one,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: the five years difference between those two movies. Right.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: If you haven't.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: Seen The Great Race, by the way, you should. It's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: a great movie. And in fact, pretty much any movie
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: where you see Jack Lemon in the credit, it's great movie.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: He had a great career. But yeah, pick up artistry,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: like the behaviors that would be considered pick up artistry today,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: that's existed for a long time. It's not not even new.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: It's just that today there are guys who make money
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: telling other guys how to do that. It's not really
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: a smart idea because, like I said, it just makes
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: you vulnerable. But it does happen, it does exist, And
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: it's interesting the way that they describe this because most
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: of pickup artistry is about a psychology, and it's essentially
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: an instruction manual based on the beliefs of the pickup
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: artist community as to how women react to different male behaviors.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: The idea that you know, if you change the way
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: you behave women will not be able to resist you,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: and women get upset about that. When a man does it,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: you know, they'll walk right up to you with their
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: six inch heels that make them look taller than they
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: really are, and they're heavily manicured altered finger in your
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: face or poke at your chest or or chest, bump
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: you with their fake tits and shake their weaves at
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: you and frown at you with their clown makeup that
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: they completely changes the appearance of the structure of their
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: face and call you dishonest for fifteen eyelases. They are
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: literally air brushing their face now with makeup. I've seen
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: the commercials. I'm probably allergic to that, just the same
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: as I am. But i mean, come on, I'm allergic
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: to grass. What do you want twice? But yeah, like
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: that's it's it's kinda when when when they get done,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: they will they will turn their fake ass to you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: and walk away, trending away on those fake heels that
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: make them look taller than they really are. And even
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: years ago my generation we had we had to pretend
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: to be linebackers for some reason. The shirt that had
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: the shoulder pads. The worst thing would be if you
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: had an undershirt that had the shoulder pads too, and
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: then you have the shirt with shoulder pads, and then
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: on top of the shirt with the shoulder pads, you
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: had the jacket with shoulder pads. And by the time
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: you got done, you were you look like you were
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: going to tackle the other girls in the hallway to
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: get them out of your way. On the way to
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: class or or your office. You should have been wearing
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: a helmet. But but yeah, it's kind of hypocritical for
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: women doing mad about pick up artistry because everything women
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: do for for beauty is essentially the same thing. It's
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: about manipulation. The last thing in the before they get
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: to other gendered hate speech section is the group that
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: I actually think pisses feminists off the most.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: Men going their own way?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 6: The final ball.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how dare you men?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: How dare you be so interested in women as a
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: pickup artist that you change your behavior to make yourself
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: more attractive to women? But even worse, how dare you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: tell them?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Men going their own way.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: Suggests society is rigged against men in that it is
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: best to avoid women and even mainstream society altogether. So
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: you're not allowed to let's see where we are here.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: You're not allowed to be rejected by women, and you're
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: not and be abused as a result of that. You're
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: not allowed to have that happen to you because that
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: makes you dangerous, and if you complain about it, that's
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: even worse. Right, you're not allowed to care how women
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: who don't reject you treat you and what they might
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: do to you if they change their minds. You're not
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: allowed to make women the focus of your life. You're
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: not allowed to care about women. You're not allowed to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: want to be with women, and you're not allowed to
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: change your behavior to make yourself more attractive to women.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: And you're not allowed to reject women and tell them no.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: So what's left that men are supposed to do, Ladies?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: What is the alternative to any of those four things?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Because I'm a little confused as to how men are
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: supposed to live. Society being rigged against men? This is
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: literally their complaint. How dare these men suggest that society
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: is rigged against men? We're the victims of society, ladies.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: How dare they make that suggestion?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: And how dare they avoid us.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: What is wrong with those men? They literally don't want
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: you to do what they're telling you to do.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: Leave us alone? How dare you leave us alone? What's
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: wrong with you?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: That's where Mike is supposed to come in.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: You'll notice when feminists want to reach for a go
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: to insult against men, they don't reach for migtow, even
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: though maketow has been around since longer than insult. I
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: think in celt is an entirely made up term. It
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: was just adopted by certain men because it was popularized by.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Certain hell men go in their own way, used to
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: just be called hermits.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: When women want to insult a man, they call him
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: an insult because in cel means a man who wants
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: a woman but isn't getting one. You would think the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: go to insult will be a man who doesn't want
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: a woman at all, a man who has escaped the
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: grasp of women, But it's not. The go to insult
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: for feminists is a man who wants a woman that
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: can't get one. And it would take such a long
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: time to fully illustrate how telling this is. That women
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: don't want to be avoided by men. Women want to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: be pursued by men to no avail. Women like having
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: men to reject. And again we don't have time to
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: get into how a fucking complex that is. But women
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: like being surrounded by as many loser men as possible
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: so that they can spend each and every day rejecting
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: as many men as possible. All women, by the way,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: not just the ugly ones who like to live in
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: a fantasy where they are beautiful and they can reject
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: as many men as possible. The same goes for the
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: beautiful ones. And this is why I have to push
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: back on this stereotype that feminists are all just ugly,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: blue haired lesbians.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: No, a great deal of feminists are beautiful women and
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: they just don't want to be rejected by men. They
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: can't handle rejection by men. And this is why when
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: the movement men going their own way, and I do
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: call it a movement. I know this is a controversial
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: thing to say, but the active verb is going. So
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: it should be a movement men going their own way.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: It should be men moving away from women. And this
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: is why nobody talks about MEGTAP, especially not in the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: mainstream media, especially not in the in the feminist academia movement.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: They don't even like to acknowledge the existence of men
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: who are just done with women. It's just like, no, no,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: the juice is not worth the squeeze. Go fuck yourself.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to live in a log cabin with my
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: guns and my dogs and whatever whatever it is men like,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It depends on the man, and yeah,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: it's it. Sort of goes to show you the most
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: popular stuate types are not the most popular movements. Feminists
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: and women in general like to imagine that everyone who
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: disagrees with them is an inceel. Everyone who disagrees with
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: them must be someone who loves them but can't quite
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: touch them. They can't quite get around to receiving the
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: holy touch of a woman. But migtoos, No, they don't exist,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: and who just don't want us? That's not possible. There's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: not such phenomenon in this world. And who have somehow
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: escaped the psychological gravitational torture we've opposed on them? No, no, no, no, no,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: such things are not real. And if any man claims
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: he is one of those, well he's just an in cel.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: If a man claims he's a migtao he's just an
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: in cell. If a man claims he's not interested in women,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: it must mean he's interested in women, but he just
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: hasn't had the blessing of one. And yeah, I don't.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: I don't want to take it from that. I don't.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Every time I try to explain the
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: infinite narcissism of modern women, I just I can't do it.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: The rabbit hole is wide. And that's not floodshaming. I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: can't help myself. Sometimes it's just the behavior of modern
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: women kind of lends itself to those kind of metaphors. Right,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: So that's basically our discussion for tonight because I don't
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: want to try to get into the next section. We
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: will finish this article next week and then we are
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: going to get into another of their articles, how to
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: counter the Manisphere's toxic influence Jesus. So they've defined the problem,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: they've mischaracterized the basically every men's group out there, and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: they really don't hone in on traditionalist men because I
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: think that would piss off people in a lot of
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: countries that are considered second or third world countries that
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: are treated they've given, they're given special protected status. If
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: you start getting upset about traditionalism, you start running up
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: against certain religious groups that you're not allowed to criticize
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: in a lot of places. So they just focused on
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: the men who are bucking the tradition of ladies first,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: one way or another, and that's pretty much the unifying factor,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: the one unifying factor within the so called manisphere, which
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: is a term that they stole from the manisphere and
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: redefined to suit their own terms, because it used to
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: just be a term that described the various groups of
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: people who were describing issues affecting men from a perspective
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: of their lifestyle choices that they feel were the best
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: solutions for those issues. And you know now feminists feminist
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: basically only define it as those evil groups of bad,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: bad men who don't subscribe to the philosophy ladies first.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: So with that, I will I think I've read all
• 1:42:12
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• 1:42:15
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• 1:42:18
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• 1:42:22
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• 1:42:24
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• 1:42:27
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• 1:42:31
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• 1:42:35
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• 1:42:38
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• 1:42:40
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• 1:42:44
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• 1:42:50
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• 1:42:53
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• 1:43:08
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• 1:43:11
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• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: I ended up with a whole shit ton of new
• 1:43:16
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• 1:43:20
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• 1:43:23
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• 1:43:27
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• 1:43:31
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• 1:43:34
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• 1:43:47
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• 1:43:50
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• 1:44:00
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• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: You men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are impossible
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: to deal with, especially if you have like especially if
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: you have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: On top of that, too, holy shit, you're