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Episode 4- Wout Hoffmans · Pushin' the Cushion

• Slim Pushins: All right, welcome to the fourth episode of Pushing the Cushion. We've got an awesome guest for you tonight, guy chasing a dream. ⁓ As always, I'm Slim Pushings and ⁓ my co-host here, a guy that's a two-time rehab graduate because of his Cosmic Brownie addiction, Corby Sherb. Corby: Hey everyone. Slim Pushins: and the guy over there in the producers booth that's not supposed to talk or be seen Hollywood Jim Gardner Corby: But yeah, we got a super special guest that I think that this is, I don't know if it's the American dream or just the racer's dream, like truly chasing something that not many people that I've ever met and I've raced my whole life and not many people would do this and just truly go across the world to chase something and it's Wout Hoffman's. Slim Pushins: Welcome, Wout. Thanks for joining us. Wout Hoffmans: Thank you guys for having me on. Yeah, appreciate it. Slim Pushins: You've heard some of the, well you listened to Ryder LaPlante's episode. It's pretty low key. Not many rules for Corby. Corby has no rules. But we appreciate you coming on. I do want to get into, are you 20 now, 19? Wout Hoffmans: I'm 19. Slim Pushins: and you came over here from the Netherlands at 16 years old. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, that's right. Slim Pushins: Just chasing a dream. Wout Hoffmans: That's basically it. Slim Pushins: How hard was that? Wout Hoffmans: It was scary at first to be honest I probably don't like to admit it that I was pretty scared at first because I only knew maybe two or three people out here and that I was gonna be around and it was yeah, you don't know what you're getting yourself into and like it was just me my race gear and a suitcase full of clothes basically So I didn't really have a way back either. So it was pretty scary at first Slim Pushins: I mean, I'd like to think that I'm pretty adventurous, but I guarantee you I could have never, I could have never ventured just chasing a dream like this. And it's, you've had some great success over here and we'll definitely get into that. ⁓ What did your parents, obviously they're behind you because if they weren't, you wouldn't have, you wouldn't be over here. ⁓ Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: What was, how did that go? How did that conversation go? Did you ease into it or did you just start packing bags? Wout Hoffmans: Well, they were actually here with me when I got offered the opportunity. So they kind of looked at me and I just kind of smiled at him. And I don't know, they've never really said no to anything I wanted to do. Like if I want to do it and I got to put into work myself. So they're like, if you want to do it, go for it. But I don't think they thought it would be for as long as it has been and as long as it's going to be like. The first period was for three months, so I think maybe they thought after that I'd get homesick or miss everything back home and probably never come back to America. But sorry to tell them that I'm not coming back anytime soon. Corby: What was it? What drew you over here? What made you ⁓ just jump seas like that? Slim Pushins: Yeah. Wout Hoffmans: Well, so like obviously social media is big now and I always saw sprint cars and NASCAR and like just everything about America on my phone and YouTube and all that. So when I was I think seven years old, we went on a family vacation to Florida to Daytona Speed Weeks to the Royal Botel's at Fallujah. And then we went to East Bay to the non-wing at Bubba and then the Daytona 500. And I think at that age, I was still too young to really understand it all. But we came back when I was, I think it was either 14 or 15. I think it was 14. And I was, my dad always loves this story. was really, couple of weeks before, like really getting into it. And I knew who all the drivers were. Like I would stay up like all night to watch the races the year before. Like I remember watching the world finals in Charlotte. and it would be like six in the morning and the eight feature would be rolling out. And my parents would like wake up to go to work and I'd be sitting there in front of my computer just watching the race in all night, no sleep. But that's just, I just loved it. So we came over that time when I was 14 and the first time going to Valencia, like you had to stand in line for the pit passes. And like, I remember my dad always tells me I ran out of line to go up. Corby: Thanks Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: Hehehe. Wout Hoffmans: the gate and like this lady had to hold me back because I was wanting to look at the cars. Like we're a little late we just got from the airport and they were doing engine heat and I was so excited to see all the drivers and see everyone that I just ran past the whole line and then I had to obviously go back to get my pit pass and but just I don't know just the racing's badass and just the country is really cool so I guess those two family vacations really got me hooked on it. Slim Pushins: you Corby: Is that what you did? Did you grow up racing dirt? Did you grow up racing at all? Slim Pushins: What? Wout Hoffmans: grew up racing on road courses in go-karts basically. I wouldn't say the path to Formula One, but kind of like that. That's how almost everyone starts racing in Europe. My dad's always raced on the ovals, like asphalt and dirt, the stock cars back home. So that's always what I was going to do, and that's what I started doing when I was about 11 or 12. I got into the oval stuff on asphalt and dirt. Jim Gardner: Is that the, I was up with my daughter at 3.30 in the morning, Googling you and racing in the Netherlands and England. Is that the Brisca F1 or F2? What's that called? Tell us more about that. Slim Pushins: He he. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, my dad always had a team where he had a driver that raised the Brisca F1, which they're the, I guess the 410 compared to what I raised was kind of the midgets. Like we had four cylinder motors, that's the Brisca F2 that I raised. And then we have like the junior class, like the big guys from when you're 16 years or older, you can hit. Like we have massive bumpers on our cars. And like, it's kind of a push to pass deal. Like you can hate each other going into the corner, move them out and you are, you're at the inside. So the junior class, you can. Jim Gardner: Yeah, kind of looks like the cars kind of look like the K1 Speed go-karts just they're like midgets within the rails all the way around the wheels and you can just body people up. looks like something right up Kerbo's alley. That's what it looks like. Kerbo, I think you would dig it. Wout Hoffmans: We need to get him in one. Slim Pushins: There's a joke in there somewhere. I'm game. It's going to require a big seat and a different seatbelt. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. Corby: I'm cutting the racetrack and cleaning you out. Wout Hoffmans: I've seen bigger people get in them. Slim Pushins: Corby wants to race me so bad and he's gonna do me so dirty it's not even funny. Corby: I don't want to race you, I want to crash you. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry to cut you off. Keep going there. Well, we want to learn more about the stuff we don't know. Wout Hoffmans: Nah, you're good. Yeah, so when I was 11, I got into the junior class, which it's the same deal, same cars. You just can't hit each other. So I guess it's kind of safer. But after a couple of years, that got pretty boring for me. I kind of started dominating and winning everything. So when I was 13, my dad, so like the stock cars race in England and then the Netherlands. So we'd go over the pond, as we call it, to England to race the F1 when my dad raced back in the day. And they have got a junior formula that Slim Pushins: Yeah Wout Hoffmans: there which are like I guess the Mini Coopers but like space frame Mini Coopers with bumpers around them so they're a little slower but the kids can hit so when you're 10 years old you get put in this car and you can get absolutely destroyed Jim Gardner: Okay. Slim Pushins: haha Wout Hoffmans: So it was always a dream of mine to race that. It's also a junior formula. It's from 10 to 16. And I always wanted to race it. And so my dad bought one of these cars because we're kind of getting bored racing this stuff back home. So I did that for, ⁓ well, was going to do two full years, but due to COVID, it ended up only being one full year. So that's also kind of where I learned a lot of my speaking English was going over to England for a whole year. and doing all of their races the whole point season. I think we missed maybe three or four races, but that was probably one of the most fun years of racing I had. It's racing the junior class in England and then there's basically sprint cars with massive bumpers on them and you just smash the heck out of each other. Jim Gardner: So. So what, like I said, it sounds right up your alley, Kerbo. ⁓ what were the tracks if people wanted to go on YouTube and find, like what would you search in YouTube to go find a video of what you're talking about? Slim Pushins: I like what I'm hearing. Wout Hoffmans: A good track is Kingslin, and then that's in England, and then in Netherlands we've got a track called Raceway Venray, and it's a really good asphalt track. It's got a big half mile NASCAR track around the outside of it, and the Euro NASCAR went there a couple years ago too. It's a cool facility. Jim Gardner: Okay, cool. Cool. Slim Pushins: What is that what you were last racing back home before you made the leap over here? Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, the last thing I raised was the F2s. When you turn 16, you can go into the higher class. So I'd raised that for three months with the adults and then I moved out here and I haven't really raced. I did maybe three or four races since when I came back every now and again, but not really raced since then. Corby: Did you did so then now we're to the American party? mean did you come over here on a hope and a dream? Did you have something lined up? Did you know like you said you you but knew it just a couple of people around? Wout Hoffmans: Oh, do you have time? Corby: Yeah, we got plenty of time. Jim Gardner: Yeah, we're on the internet man. We can go all night. Slim Pushins: We make the rules. We make all the rules. Wout Hoffmans: Nice. So when I came over when I was 14, I met Darren. Obviously, I'll know Darren. A super great guy. He was on the All Out Tour with Wayne Johnson. I had my... I always called him my brother. It's a younger guy that helped us out on the go-kart stuff. He came with us and he is super technical. So he was wanting to learn all about the sprint cars and how they worked and all of that. Corby: Yep. Wout Hoffmans: So like it was like probably like noon, we sneaked into the pits to like go look at the people doing maintenance. it was like it was just me and him and like they wouldn't let you in. So we like walked across the track through like a back gate and then like over the infield to get to go look at the sprint cars. there was Wayne's team was there and Darren was obviously there and there was no one there. So they kind of I guess they kind of had to talk to us. So we started talking and Darren was super cool and we talked for a couple hours and then they started clearing out the pits for the wristbands check. So Darren was like, well come up in the lounge so y'all don't have to get out. So we went up in the lounge with him and just really started talking to Darren and Darren's super cool and he was like, well you want to come race over here? So I was like, well heck yeah. I never even thought about that happening. That's a dream. At that point it was still. unbelievable. So I came over here to run the Tulsa shootout in 2022 to 2023, that winner. And I ran Cooper Miller's car, the 5C when he was still running with the Dakas crew. So I did that. And then before that trip, I talked to Darren about where he's going to stay because Darren was the only person we knew. Jim Gardner: OK. Yeah. Wout Hoffmans: But we didn't, we'd only talked to Darren for a couple hours that day at Volusia and like over the phone maybe, but I was like, where are you staying? Jim Gardner: Yeah. So, so Darren is Darren. Yeah. Darren is Darren Robinson. He's the crew guy for Ryder Lapland is how we got to know Wout is we're buddies with Wout and Darren Darren is a long time crew guy over there on the 88R. So anyway, go ahead. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, we call him Cupcake too, since Felucia a couple years ago. So I get to talking about Darren about hotels and stuff and he's like, well, I'm staying at my buddy's house in Broken Arrow. Like I'll ask him if you can come stay there. So we're able to stay there. And that was Adrian Burial. staying with Adrian, like towards the end of our random shootout, did OK, ran restrict. Slim Pushins: That's gonna bite us in the ass. Wout Hoffmans: only restrictor, which is probably the worst decision I've ever made. I wish I more classes because I've never done so much. Yeah, I've never done so much waiting to get like five laps in. So I ended up being like two spots out from making the day, which I didn't know like what that meant really. I mean, I know there was a lot of cars, but we all had fun. Like my whole family was there. Jim Gardner: Yeah, that's a tough week. Standing around. Corby: Yeah. Yeah. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Wout Hoffmans: So towards the end of the week, we kind of started talking to Adrian and he was like, well, you want to come over here and come work on my spring car team? I was like, well, yeah, I do. So he was like, well, come over here for like three months this summer and then we'll see where it goes from there. So I was graduating high school before that summer. So I kind of stayed in touch with Adrian and just kind of Slim Pushins: Hehehe. Wout Hoffmans: Like I didn't know how really it was because it's like a pretty big deal to have someone from the other side of world just take him into your house, not really knowing him. So like I guess I sent him like a text couple months before and I was like, hey, like, is this going to happen? Like, can I book my flights? And he is like, yeah, come on down. And I was like, all right, so book my flights. And the day after I did my last like I didn't even knew if I graduated yet. The day after I flew out to America as soon as I could and I ended up graduating and the whole graduation where you walk across the stage and stuff, I did all of that over FaceTime. Just because I wanted to get out here so bad. Corby: you Slim Pushins: Nice! Jim Gardner: awesome. Wout Hoffmans: So I stayed with Adrian those first couple months, three months, and after two weeks of working on the car, his driver had to go fishing. So he was like, well, you want to drive the car? And I was like, well, I guess. I had all my gear with me. I didn't know it was going to happen, but let's go. So my first ever time in a Sprint car, I never fired the car, never did anything. We go to Thunderbird in Oklahoma. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Wout Hoffmans: And thinking about it now, I have probably had no business being on that track. And it wasn't, it was a Jim Gardner: Isn't Thunderbird like a big half mile? Wout Hoffmans: Yes, super big. Jim Gardner: Yeah. ⁓ Wout Hoffmans: And it was in a 305, but we racing against the 360s. So that's probably even dumber. But like, I didn't know anything. Like, I had zero clue what ASC even was, like who the people I was racing against were. Like, I had no clue. So was like, well, let's go. So got in the car, fired up, like I made my laps, I didn't get lapped or anything like that, which I thought was... Think about it back now, it's pretty good for a 305 on a half mile. So we ended up getting ⁓ rained out during the A main as a thunderstorm was coming through. So I could like feel the air pulling on the wing, which is the craziest thing I've ever felt probably in a race car. Like I was weaving down a straightaway, but like everything everyone else was too. I was like, what am I doing wrong here? But it was just a massive thunderstorm coming in. So the next day we go to Crete County. And it was with ASC is again, and I felt pretty good, but like still didn't really have a clue what I was doing. And I somehow ended up in a redraw for the feature. And I started like fourth in this thing and I'm at 305 and obviously at Creek, it doesn't matter as much, but it's my second ever sprint car race. And I'm starting like in the front of this field and I'm like, freak it out. Like something's going to go wrong here. So I ended up, I thought we, was running like hand maybe and like get overheated so I pull in but that's basically how it all started and ever since then I read Adrian's car for almost two years did some 305 stuff some 410 stuff with the odd laws and high limit and pyri and that's how my story started basically Slim Pushins: What's your favorite if you got to choose to drive for the next two years? What would you prefer? Wout Hoffmans: That's hard to say. I don't feel like I ever got a real shot at the 410 deal just because I got in it way too soon. Like I had no business being in a 410 but when you get that opportunity to go race with the Alas in Charlotte, like it's really hard to say no to that. So I want to run a 410 again in a different car just to see first of all what a different car feels like and I think for a real shot at it. Corby: Charlotte's wild anyway. Charlotte is beyond round. Jim Gardner: We have... Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, yeah, I had no business being out there. I realize that now, but I didn't at the time. Corby: Thanks Jim Gardner: Nope. That was the Outlaw World Finals too. I guess it would have to be. That's the only sprint car race they run. Yeah, that's ballsy. That's really ballsy. All right. Slim Pushins: Who? Corby: Yeah, just show up, just show up and just start cruising. Slim Pushins: Who describes a ch- Who describes a track like that? Wout Hoffmans: Just round? Jim Gardner: What, round? Corby: Which part? Me? Slim Pushins: Yeah, you. Corby: Dude, there's zero straightaway there. Slim Pushins: Just round. Corby: It's it beyond round Jim Gardner: Hahaha! Wout Hoffmans: It's round. Jim Gardner: Ugh. awesome. Slim Pushins: So. Corby: So like truly you show up over here and just like things start falling in your lap things just start happening and next thing you know like you're saying like you're World Finals Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, I have had a lot of luck and met a lot of good people along the way that just randomly I meet and they help me out and that's how I ended up where I am now. Like I didn't have anything over here so I had, it's not about what you know, it's about who you know, if that makes sense. And I've needed every person that's helped me to get here. I've needed their help because I would not be here if it wasn't for them. Corby: Yeah. Yeah, but now you're doing a lot of stuff with Johnny Boland Johnny B Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, John, I had or I was getting tired of racing the 17 car and some stuff that was just, I wasn't really enjoying racing that much anymore and I knew I had to make a change. So I talking to Johnny, I ran Johnny's car at the shootout that year before and made the AMA in my second ever shootout. So I knew really like Johnny and what he's doing. So Corby: Mm-hmm. Wout Hoffmans: always kept talking to Johnny and he'd always wanted me to drive his stuff some more and when I told him that I was wanting to leave and looking for something else he was like well I got a room for you so come on down so first he was like yeah I gotta talk to my wife to see if she wants a foreigner to live here. ⁓ was like that's that's fair so five minutes later he calls me back and he's like well come on down so Ryder's mom actually picked me up in Bigsby. Slim Pushins: Hahaha Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha ha! Wout Hoffmans: And I packed all my stuff and came out first run to Ryder's house, but then came to Johnny's and straight away got to work, got to racing, working on the cars. it's been one of the best, it's almost been a year now and it's been one of the, it's been the best year for me in America and probably the best year in my life. Just the stuff I've gotten to do. And Johnny's really smart and I really enjoy working with him. I don't, I hope he doesn't listen to this because if he hears me tell him that I'm, that he's smart, he's gonna. Jim Gardner: Ha Wout Hoffmans: His head's gonna be so big. Corby: Now he's super smart, he's fast too, know, and Johnny B's been around for a long time, he's a great dude. That's cool, that's cool that that seems to have come together for you two. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, his stuff is incredibly good in the micros and even at the chili ball. mean, the guy's never touched a midget in his life. And first time touching a midget, he puts a car in the finishing fourth in the prelim and puts it in the pre or in the A main on Saturday. So he's he's something else. Corby: Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: That's a great segue into talking about the Chili Bowl. Made the feature. ⁓ What was it? Both, well, the qualifying feature and then the big show feature. Yeah. How was that? Your parents got to come in. They were, I've talked to a few people about you preparing for the show here and I was told that, Jim Gardner: Saturday night feature. Like the big show. The big show. Slim Pushins: Your parents came in for chili bowl, I know this year. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, they try to come every year for the shootout and Chitty Bowl because it's kind of down season with the business back home with Christmas and New Year. they shoot out is really the down season for them, but then they try to extend it two weeks so they can stay for the Chitty Bowl too. Slim Pushins: Were they as excited as you were that you made the feature? Wout Hoffmans: they were just like me. ⁓ It was all like a dream. I was actually watching back the replay two days ago and I got nervous when we were rolling around before the A.A. I got a feeling in my tummy, just nervous. And the craziest thing is I wasn't nervous during the night itself. And I told Johnny, I've never felt this before. I'm so calm. Slim Pushins: Thank Wout Hoffmans: I don't know why, but like, it's crazy. Slim Pushins: Hehehe. That's a big deal. I mean, that's a huge event. Corby: It's the same, know, because what you know and or didn't know about America, you need to come over here and you say that you go to Volusia and to Daytona. You say that you raised at Charlotte just how massive the shootout, how long the week is at the shootout and then just how big the chili bull is here. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah. Yeah, I've always loved the Chitty Bowl because that's like the one event that I first started watching of like American racing. And it's, it's a week long and I would stay up every single day until seven in the morning. And I'd have to leave for school at eight in the morning. I probably would get an hour of sleep or no sleep. And then I would get home from school, sleep some and do it again the whole week. And that's Corby: Mm-hmm. Wout Hoffmans: I don't know that chili bowl means a lot to me because that's I think before I ran it I watched the three previous years like I watched the year that ⁓ Larsson won it two times in a row and then when Thorson won it and I think the year after that Ceevie won it and that's was my first one there. Corby: That's cool. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Slim Pushins: That's gotta be so surreal. After telling us your story and sneaking into the pits and now all of a sudden you're bumping wheels with these people that you were staying up all night and late to class watching. Wout Hoffmans: So yeah. Man, I've got pictures on my phone of me at Volusia. Like every single driver in the pits I took a picture with. And I probably got two or three. Slim Pushins: as a as a kid. Jim Gardner: awesome. Corby: Just an absolute fan. Wout Hoffmans: Yes, and that was a year before I ran with the Outlaws. So that was pretty close. Jim Gardner: Yeah, right. Corby: That's so wild. Jim Gardner: Ten months later, he's in a heat race with them. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, it's like the chili ball was a surreal moment for me. Like I broke down during the interview after making the big show on Saturday and like, I don't know, it was just like it all come together and everything that had happened made sense. Jim Gardner: That's awesome. Slim Pushins: People, people love that. People love the emotion and it's so raw. That's when I met you and you and I talked at the, at the outlaw show, I told you, was like, you've got a great story and, we would love to have you on the podcast just because it's a, it's so different, ⁓ than everybody else's ⁓ path to where, where they're at. Corby: I don't even think it's just that you know dude. Yeah, truly like just getting started with your story. Yeah the The heart that it takes to do what you've done already, you know just showing up over here not knowing anyone other than Darren of all people and It just is where you've made it now is Truly a lot of people's dream Wout Hoffmans: It's still my dream and I don't think I'm finished yet. Like I always want more. That's just a competitive person that I am. like every year, like this is going in the year three, I think three or four and every year has been better. Like I've done something that I think is cooler than what I did the previous year. And obviously it's going to be really hard to top making the Chilliwole main other than finishing on the podium or winning it. But Corby: Right? Wout Hoffmans: Hopefully this year we can do some Corby: I don't know, even if you won at the shootout, it's, if you win at the shootout, would be pretty big. Wout Hoffmans: I've always said if I win a driller, I might, I don't know what I'm gonna do, but it's gonna be something for the history books after the checker because I'm, like I'm getting excited talking about it now. Like that building means so much to me because it was my first ever race I ran in America and that's the first ever races I watched. So like, I get excited talking about the shootout in Chittyville. It's the best two weeks of the year by far for me. Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha. Slim Pushins: then you could use your driller as a hat rack like Ryder LaPlante does. Jim Gardner: I'll agree with that. Corby: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Hahaha! Wout Hoffmans: I know if I'd do that. I'd probably get a nice glass case for mine so it doesn't get any dust on it. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: That's awesome. Like the, like the Superbowl trophy or something. What, ⁓ still staying with the, the, ⁓ the topic of you coming over here, what's, tell me some of the adjustments when you got over here, what's, what are some of the things, is there anything that comes to mind that you, this surprised you about living in America? Wout Hoffmans: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not happy about that. But I don't know. Like, always thought that people were... I don't know. Back home, everyone is like... You can go every... The one thing I hate, I'll tell you this, is that you need a car to go everywhere. Like, back home, I get on my bicycle and within five minutes radius of my house, I can go to the supermarket. I can go anywhere. Slim Pushins: other than the drinking age. Ha Yeah. Corby: Yeah. Wout Hoffmans: Especially, you can only get a driver's license when you're 18 back home. So I had to have people drive me everywhere and it's really annoying. But other than that, I don't think so. I've already been on vacation here three times before I moved over here. So it wasn't that bad. Corby: think that's what people will never understand is like how dependent America is on vehicles and all that stuff because every person I've ever met that's from overseas is just blown away at how you live in a housing addition and it'll still take you 20 minutes to get to even like the closest fast food place. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, I don't... Jim Gardner: That's Kerbo's house. Corby: Yeah, try to get to Kerbo's house. It is horrendous. Horrendous. It's not even a mile off the highway and it'll take you 20, 25 minutes to get to his house. Jim Gardner: You'll get stopped by trains. Slim Pushins: I don't, why does this, why does this always come around to me? Wout Hoffmans: I hate it. Slim Pushins: I'ma give you that one, Corby. Jim Gardner: Yeah, it's awful. Yeah. I was like... Wout Hoffmans: Well, I'm supposed to get my driver's license here soon, so I might have to show up sometime. Corby: You'll have to cruise over to Kerbo's house because you'll just turn around as soon as you made it to the railroad tracks Then you have like a half mile left. You'll just turn around and go back Jim Gardner: How did we get it? Slim Pushins: Hey, wow, you go get your driver's license, will you please take a picture? Like with that big poster board of like, I'm getting my license that all like 15 year olds take their picture with over here. Wout Hoffmans: Absolutely not. Jim Gardner: Yeah, I was, I was looking up this morning, ⁓ just trying to learn something about you. was like, texted Kerbo. was like, I could literally drive my commute to work every day is literally driving from wouts Houghton town to the F one track in Zandvoort, which is on the other end of the country. And it's a two hour drive. ⁓ it's, it was a big culture shock when I moved down here too, you know, I'm from the Midwest. I'm from Cincinnati and. Wout Hoffmans: Yep, it's tiny. Jim Gardner: ⁓ you know, it's got one 10th, population that this area does. So, ⁓ it was a big culture shock for me. Like, where did all these people come from? And why does it take me forever to do anything? ⁓ Slim Pushins: They, wow, they put their, they put chili on their spaghetti up there. If that tells you anything about. Jim Gardner: We do and it's a delicacy. Wout Hoffmans: You don't have to talk to me about food. I'm f- Slim Pushins: ⁓ we're gonna get into food. We'll get into food. Wout Hoffmans: Duh, that's not good. Slim Pushins: So at the Outlaw Race, was asked like simple things that I figured that you would like, that you're not really a fan of. You told me there are five things. I've heard rumors that you will go to Saltgrass Steakhouse and for your meal will be french fries. Wout Hoffmans: That did happen the Saturday before the Outlaw Race. Slim Pushins: There was nothing else on that menu that you would eat like dino nuggets or nothing. Wout Hoffmans: I don't like chicken nuggets. Slim Pushins: What are the five things that you'll eat? Wout Hoffmans: Mainly hot dogs, plain, on them, just meat and bun. Pepperoni pizza. French fries. Soft pretzels. And I there's, I don't know. That's the main four things. Other than that, I like all kinds of ice cream. ⁓ Actually, we've had Jeffrey Newell driving for Johnny. Jim Gardner: Okay. for food groups. Wout Hoffmans: quite a bit lately and he took us to this place in Tulsa called Tokyo Garden this Hibachi place and He had me try a steak like he was like you're gonna try a steak. I like all right I guess I will so I like steak a little better now and I had this or I tried a little bit of steak from Texas Roadhouse last week as well, and it was pretty good So I might have to start trying some more steak here Slim Pushins: Yeah. Corby: you You gotta advance your life. Wout Hoffmans: It's just easy being able to walk into a restaurant and know what you're gonna get. I hate having to look on the menu. I hate having an option. Slim Pushins: If- Ha ha. Corby: This is Texas man, you gotta eat steak, you gotta eat a lot of ground beef. A lot of beef period. Slim Pushins: No, no Tex-Mex? Wow. Wout Hoffmans: I don't even know what that is. Corby: Mexican food, no Mexican food. Jim Gardner: you Wout Hoffmans: No, I like the chips, that's about it. Slim Pushins: Just pull. Wout Hoffmans: Mexican places do have great french fries by the way. I've never had a bad french fry at a Mexican place. Jim Gardner: There's a Hahaha Slim Pushins: I'm a, French fries are hard to mess up, Wout Hoffmans: I think it's pretty easy to mess up. I've had some bad french fries. Jim Gardner: you Corby: Are they still called French fries in the Netherlands? Wout Hoffmans: No, they're called different, but you can call them french fries if you want to. Slim Pushins: What do they call them if you were going to order them back home? Wout Hoffmans: Peaches. Slim Pushins: I'm sorry? Wout Hoffmans: Streetjes. Corby: One more time. Jim Gardner: See you. Corby: You gotta get hit one more time. Wout Hoffmans: Preaches. Corby: sketches. Slim Pushins: Skeetches? Are they pro- ⁓ speeches. Wout Hoffmans: No, with an F. F-R-I-E-T... Yeah. Slim Pushins: speeches are they prepared the same way are they like fried potatoes Wout Hoffmans: something like that. Yeah, they're the same thing. That's probably why I like it, because it's pretty close to the one from back home. Like can get a burger back home and a burger here and it's not the same. Like french fries are the same here or there. Like it's hard to mess it up. Slim Pushins: This is awesome. Corby: That's wild. Slim Pushins: So when you order french fries, what are we dipping them in? Wout Hoffmans: Mayonnaise. Slim Pushins: Okay, that's gonna gross a lot of people out, but I've done it. Corby: It's going south. It's going south. Wout Hoffmans: Ask Ryder Laplaine. I got him on to it. He loves it. Jim Gardner: I'm out. Corby: No ranch? You even tried ranch? Wout Hoffmans: Nope, no range. I've tried range, I don't like it. Corby: You've never even tried ranch. going this bad. Slim Pushins: Speaking of Ryder, he was one of the ones that I reached out to get a little background and I was told that I needed to ask you what happened ⁓ in Fallujah with the vanilla ice cream, the vanilla smoothie or vanilla milkshake. Wout Hoffmans: ⁓ that can't be good. I'm still mad about it, man. So there's, need the backstory. So we're leaving Ryder's house at about, I think it was like two or three in the morning to drive to Volusia. So we drive all day and night. As Super Trucker does. Yep, Super Trucker rips. So we get to the hotel about Thursday at like six in the morning. Slim Pushins: from what happened. That's Corby: One driver, super trucker only. Yeah. Jim Gardner: You Wout Hoffmans: So we go to the room, we sleep for two or three hours, we all shower, and we go to the track. We race all night. So after the night, we're all tired. Like we haven't really ate anything other than gas station food in a while. And we're going to McDonald's. So I'm pumped. I love McDonald's. I know a lot of people don't, but I love it. Especially their milkshakes. I was really excited for this milkshake. So we're walking through this drive-through because the big black obviously don't fit through there. Slim Pushins: You Wout Hoffmans: So we're walking through this drive-through and I order my milkshake. Yeah. Kevin's first love. Because I think Amy is probably his second one. Jim Gardner: That's the truck. Slim Pushins: The semi truck, big black. Corby: Right? Slim Pushins: That's a probably a pretty good. Wout Hoffmans: So. Yeah, we're walking through this drive-through and I of my shake and this guy says he can't make no shakes and I go he says the machine is broken and I go look behind you Derek the machine is running right there Slim Pushins: Ha ha ha. Wout Hoffmans: And Kevin and Ryder and Darren all started laughing. I'm like, I see the machine running right there and make me a damn milkshake. Like, I wanted that milkshake real bad, but he didn't make it, so I'm still mad about it. Corby: That's the story of McDonald's life in America, is it's broken. Slim Pushins: It's hit and miss, always hit and miss with McDonald's. Wout Hoffmans: I hate it. Jim Gardner: You gotta hit up Brahms. Corby: But you say gas station food, and say one of your main meals is hot dogs. mean, you always can score some roller dogs. Wout Hoffmans: Uh, love me some love as a roller dogs. Jim Gardner: I think... Wout Hoffmans: When Kevin pulls into Lovz, I get excited. They pulled this trick on me on the way home from Florida, where they pulled into a gas station and I'd been sleeping, it's like four in the morning, and he goes, come on, we're at Lovz, get your roller dog. So I jump out of the truck as excited as I can be, and we're at like a Pilot's, and they don't even have roller dogs. So I get pissed, so I just walk out the store and go back to sleep. Slim Pushins: You Corby: No chips, no beef jerky, nothing. Just roller dogs. Wout Hoffmans: Just roll our dogs on a Red Bull. It's usually my gas station order. Slim Pushins: There you have it. There you have it folks. That's secret to Wout's success. Jim Gardner: Ugh, God. Corby: That's how you make the chili bowl, roller dogs, and Red Bulls. Jim Gardner: Jeez Louise... Slim Pushins: What about superstitions? Are you superstitious? Jim Gardner: Ugh. Wout Hoffmans: Big time. Corby: Yeah. Slim Pushins: What? Give me some superstitions. I would put you up against Corby, but let's hear, let's hear your superstitions. Wout Hoffmans: Okay, I listened to an episode where you talk about Corby superstitions. I'm not that bad. Slim Pushins: Very few are. Very few are. Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha ha! Wout Hoffmans: If I have like a certain pair, I've got a lot of pair of gloves. If I wear a certain pair, like the gloves I wore at the Chitty Bowl, I got to wear them every race now until something goes wrong. Corby: understandable. Wout Hoffmans: and Slim Pushins: I feel like that's fairly normal. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, it's not crazy stuff, but like if I have like something in my pocket, like I accidentally leave my phone in my pocket. I did that once. I accidentally left my phone in my pocket, which is pretty dumb, but I did really good that race. So now I gotta have my phone in my pocket every time until something goes wrong. And if it goes wrong, my phone can come out and stay in the trailer. Corby: Yeah. Jim Gardner: until they think you're getting text messages and signals. I'll be a little worried about that. There ⁓ was a phase for what, three months where they were all religious about checking wrists and phones and all that and then they're like, all right, nevermind. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, no kidding. Corby: Yeah. Under green flag, if I had time to pull my glove back and read my watch, we got bigger problems. Jim Gardner: Go high. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, no way. Slim Pushins: Corby's too worried about me telling him to keep digging. Corby: We did, I remember the first, ⁓ talking about driving with your phone, I probably shouldn't even say this out loud, but the first Mike Melton Memorial 305 race, we went out and qualified and I had a can of Lippers in one pocket and then my phone in the other. And I get down there and Kerb was trying to yell across the racetrack what place I was in and I was like, no man, we're good. I had my phone, I already had the little results pulled up. Wout Hoffmans: Badly. Nice. Corby: It worked. Jim Gardner: You can't do that, man. Slim Pushins: You never knew what you were gonna get with Corby. Corby: It worked. Slim Pushins: in a race car. Wout Hoffmans: See, that's what I like about working for Ryder. You know he's gonna suck in qualifying. Corby: Pretty basic standard. Jim Gardner: Hahaha! Wout Hoffmans: So he's, and he's going to be, yeah. Corby: It's wild, I don't... Slim Pushins: That leads right into my next question. This is from Ryder himself. Is Ryder ever happy on race day? Wout Hoffmans: No, absolutely not. He's always in a mood. It's even worse after qualifying. Hotlaps is the worst because he feels like shit because he's just making laps by himself. Qualifying is mediocre because he knows himself is going to suck. So he's I think he's just gotten the terms with it. After the heat race, it's good because it usually goes like sixty ninths to like third in a heat. And then he'll start like 20th in the main and he'll finish in the top five or top 10. After the main it's usually alright, but yeah it's pretty bad. Corby: It's wild, know, Ryder, he kind of wears it on his face real badly and he does really good job in the car about not being an emotional person. ⁓ What about you ⁓ during the race? A lot of times Ryder is someone like, if I bumped Ryder before a start, it's just going to fire him up. Are you the same way are you the opposite of that? Wout Hoffmans: I think I can say I used to be really bad. Like, I would, I'm a very emotional person anyway. I would lose my shit. Like, at the shootout, I did something pretty retarded. I don't know if I can say that on this podcast, but I did something, did something pretty dumb and absolutely smoked someone else. And for the final transfer spot, and it was in a heat of the moment deal. Jim Gardner: It'll be alright. Don't worry about it. Slim Pushins: Absolutely. Wout Hoffmans: I mean, I want to give myself some props because the move worked out great, but it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do because I ended up getting disqualified. Slim Pushins: Ha Jim Gardner: It would work great. Corby: But if it would have, you know, if you'd have hit him, if you'd have let off the gas, you know, a tenth of a second before that and you just bumped him rather than hitting him, then it would have been the greatest move of the week. Wout Hoffmans: I think if I would let off the gas I would have never got to him because I barely clipped him and it was a bad deal. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Well, for the record, I watched that replay about a half dozen times today. And this is gonna be an unpopular opinion. I saw flames, I saw you let off early. I'm going with that story. Jim Gardner: you Wout Hoffmans: I let off after I got to the top of the track. There's about a two foot flame coming out of my exhaust. That's the first time I lifted. Corby: But it's the difference of making your week and your week sucking. So ⁓ if you got a shot, you might as well take it. Wout Hoffmans: I mean, the shootout this year was a perfect example of me getting in my own head and being an emotional person. Like, started the week, I was great. I won all of my heat races, one from third, one from fifth. I was sitting great. And then qualifier day, I just put way too much pressure on myself to do better than I did the year before and absolutely ruined both of my quali- or all four of my qualifiers. And then I was in three B mains and absolutely ruined all three of my B mains too. So yeah, that was a great end to the shootout. It still gets me wound up. Corby: No more phone. Slim Pushins: No more fun? Corby: And we're phony pocket now third away It's it's It's it's wild how race and how you can do that and it's not like being overconfident it's just like putting the pressure on yourself to do better than what you did before and and Continue to chase that there's there's times that it'll just swallow you up man. I I call it a lot of times It's like quicksand the more you move and the more you wiggle just the deeper you fall into that Wout Hoffmans: No more phone, no. Absolutely. I threw the gloves away that I used. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Wout Hoffmans: Man, put like, ain't no one putting more pressure on me than myself. Like Johnny puts so much effort and he does a lot for me. So I want to perform when I'm driving his car and that my parents are over here, which is the only race of the year that they're over here. So I don't want to make them think I suck. like it's probably the two weeks. Yeah, no, that ain't happening. Corby: You're coming back home, you're done. Wout Hoffmans: But I put a lot of pressure on myself to do good and because I know I can do it and especially after like doing it once, like once I've won a race in a micro, I'm like, all right, I can do this again now. And then if you don't do it, that sucks. Slim Pushins: I gotta say though, even at your age, all that went on for the shootout, you took it on the chin, you gave the interviews. I know there were a couple of podcasts and different things that you were on. It says a lot about you. You made a mistake, you owned up to the mistake and moved on. You apologized. You know. Jim Gardner: And then 10 days later, you superhero it into the biggest race of the year, A main. And it's a great redemption story. And I think everybody who had shitty things to say online ⁓ for the shootout kind of ate some crow and we're like, all right. It's good to see. Yeah. I I thought that. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, I- Yeah, I needed that to happen at the Chitty Bowl. Corby: Because I think that, yeah, because there's a lot of people who'd have been in your position that would have done the same thing, you know? And it's not that you were being malicious in it. You were doing, like you said, you're chasing a dream. You're trying to do your job. is essentially how you pay your bills is racing and racing good and having a good name for yourself. And you just, yeah, you know, just that little too much. Jim Gardner: Exactly. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, no, I definitely needed to do something cool at the Chili Bowl to make up for what I did at the shootout. And like, that's why I felt so weird about not having any nerves at the Chili Bowl, I guess, because I'd never really done anything at the Chili Bowl. So it was just like, I got nothing to lose. Like, it'll probably be worse this year because I've got to, I'm going to feel like I have to do it again. Jim Gardner: Yeah, it might be. I'm going to pick you in my pool, by the way. Corby: Right. Slim Pushins: I didn't want to speak it out loud, I mean, yeah, there's the self-imposed. Corby: Are we going with fresh gloves this year? Wout Hoffmans: I don't know, I always get a fresh pair of shoes, gloves, and suit for the Chitty Bowl, but I might just have to run every single thing I ran last year. Corby: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Yeah, we have a have a chili bowl pool for every night's feature and Jim, how many are on there? 1213 people. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Well, so there's, there's the big chili bowl pool that thousands of people, you know, are in, ⁓ that I always get my butt kicked in. So I quit and I started my own. ⁓ there's a dozen of us that did the shootout and the chili bowl together. Yeah. Now get my butt kicked in that, but at least it's only my buddies. ⁓ but yeah, so we, we bet essentially on the Saturday night main events of the shootout. And then we bet, ⁓ Corby: There's quite a few this year. Slim Pushins: And now he gets his butt kicked on that one. Jim Gardner: every main event during the chili bowl. just do it all via text and it's a fun time. ⁓ But ⁓ yeah, we'll pick you in the pool next year. You can't pick the front row. You know, we got some rules. There's bonus points for picking a hard charger and try to make it interesting, but ⁓ it's a time. Slim Pushins: So yeah, wow, before you... Wout Hoffmans: Well was on the front road this year so you couldn't have faked me. Slim Pushins: So yeah. No, we can't. Jim Gardner: Exactly. Yeah, that's right. Corby: See? Slim Pushins: But yeah, and it's as much fun betting on seven year olds. Jim Gardner: The junior sprint race the junior sprint race usually decides it That's right Corby: ⁓ yeah. Slim Pushins: All day Saturday. Corby: We're waiting for another Rod of the Planet Tastes Randall showdown. Slim Pushins: Yes, you haven't lived until you hear a bunch of grown men cussing seven-year-olds because they... Jim Gardner: Don't. Slim Pushins: They jumped the cushion. Jim Gardner: That was fun. Corby: That's cool, man. It's a wild three years. It's just a wild span of even just you starting your race in Korea. Like said, your dad did it. And next thing you know, you're standing at Charlotte. then as of right now, and it's going to be a lot more things with you, ⁓ the pinnacle of sticking it Saturday night at the Chili Bowl. And you and Johnny B have a great thing going on right now. And I know that's what you guys are really focused on this year. ⁓ What else is there for a while? Jim Gardner: That's a story to me. Wout Hoffmans: I'll be running my micro a lot obviously with Johnny. I've got gonna run Chase McDermott's midget sometime this year as well. That was gonna happen a couple of weeks ago, but obviously I wasn't here because of my visa issues. So I'm gonna do that sometime this year and then that's about it. If anyone wants to put me in a car that I'm run anything with four wheels and the steering wheel. So I'll probably go racing with Ryder some on the weekends that Corby: Mm-hmm. Wout Hoffmans: They need help and if I'm not racing, because I enjoy racing with them. They're a great family and like two weeks in Florida, I made memories for life. It's a blast. We have a good time. Corby: for sure. Yeah, they're great people. Slim Pushins: Well, I can tell you that we have tens of listeners and anybody that's listening, ⁓ maybe you'll get a ride out of ⁓ one of the 10 or 11 people that listen. Wout Hoffmans: Hopefully that'd be good. Corby: What about what like what's what's what's what's like a dream car that you would like to drive or a truck or anything like what's something that you want to say before you're done that you did? Wout Hoffmans: I don't know, I think a four times frame car is pretty bad ass already. Corby: ⁓ yeah. Wout Hoffmans: Do mean like out on the road or like on the racetrack? Slim Pushins: That's... Any series. Corby: Anything like it just any type of racing that you would like to do before you're done before you hang the helmet on the shelf Wout Hoffmans: I've been watching a lot of Cletus McFarlane lately and some of the drag passes that they do seems pretty nuts. I'd like to do like a pass in a dragster or something. Corby: Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: So speaking of cleanness. Jim Gardner: I'm good with that. you ever been to an NHRA race? Wout Hoffmans: No, never. Jim Gardner: All right, they're in Dallas in October. Slim Pushins: We got you, we got you. We'll take you over there. Jim Gardner: Yeah, they, ⁓ they run down south of Dallas. ⁓ it's usually first or second week of October. It's, ⁓ it's wild ass. Like I've been around. Wout Hoffmans: I'll go. Slim Pushins: Jim and I got the opportunity to, we watched an NHRA event in Ennis from the starting line. there is, you've never, what I learned was that I don't have the ability from the starting line to see who won. It's so, it's, you can't explain it. The noise, shakes your whole body. You can feel it in your bones. ⁓ Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: and it takes a real set to drive those cars. Corby, Corby, Corby can, it never has what it takes. You could never drive one of those. Jim Gardner: Yeah, it's wild. Sign up. Corby: there's plenty of people who race them very fast without a set too. Slim Pushins: They still have sets, I can tell you. Jim Gardner: metaphorical sets. ⁓ That's cool. Slim Pushins: That's pretty cool. But speaking of Cletus, I've heard rumors and it hasn't been solidified. Supposedly, ⁓ there's a racetrack south of town that has a fleet of Crown Vicks that you can rent and race. I still think that we all need to do that just so that I can clean out Corby. Corby: You're not gonna touch me. Jim Gardner: You Wout Hoffmans: I'm in, I'll go. Slim Pushins: Where, wasn't that in NS2, Jim? Jim Gardner: Yeah, yeah is that big ⁓ I'm not sure if they still do that or not. That's a crap shoot with those guys, but we'll see Corby: Yeah, that big o' Slim Pushins: Like how fun would that be to rent the field and just a bunch of us just go out there. Jim Gardner: you We'll put your credit card on the crash deposit, Kerbo. Corby: ⁓ yeah. Wout Hoffmans: How about them going like 160 in a Crown Vic at Teledega? Slim Pushins: I don't. I haven't watched that video, I heard about it though. Klee and ⁓ Keselowski and Ryan Priest, Chris Busher, that's crazy. All right, a couple more questions. If you were gonna start a boy band, Corby: That's wild. That's wild. Wout Hoffmans: Dude, that was nuts. Yeah. Corby: Yeah. Here we go. Jim Gardner: This is a new one. Slim Pushins: You, you and three other racers, who would be the three that you'd start a boy band with? Wout Hoffmans: they've gotta be drivers. Slim Pushins: or anybody in the racing community. Wout Hoffmans: Goad Rider. then... Jim Gardner: Obviously. Wout Hoffmans: probably with Johnny. And then what was that third one? That's hard. I'll go with my buddy Cooper Miller, because he let me drive his car for the first time in America. Corby: There you go. Slim Pushins: I think you'll be selling out stadiums. Wout Hoffmans: We'd be selling out absolutely nothing. Corby: Ryder's gotta be the bass player or something. Slim Pushins: My last question, do you believe that the Americans landed on the moon in 1969? Wout Hoffmans: heard you ask this question, I think it was to Kevin Raimi in the last episode. And I thought it was most ridiculous thing ever. I honestly don't care. Corby: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Most people don't. Wout Hoffmans: It does not make a difference for me. Slim Pushins: it does to hum- to mankind. Wout Hoffmans: Does it matter to you? Do you think? Do you think y'all got it? Corby: But he's over here living the American dream, He's doing what people can't even imagine him doing. Slim Pushins: Okay. He's doing big things. Wout Hoffmans: Do you think they got to the moon? Corby: Standing outside. Slim Pushins: No. I don't think... I don't think... Go ahead, Jim. Jim Gardner: Yes, emphatically. My name is Jim Gardner. I'm from Denison, Texas. We definitely landed on the moon in 1969, and we're going back, I think, this week or something like that. Anyway, go on. Slim Pushins: But oddly enough, it keeps getting pushed back. Corby, did we land on the moon? Corby: No, absolutely not. Wout Hoffmans: think so either. don't think it's like I think Kevin said it who put the camera on the deal to make the video because you see like all the slow-mo's of like the foot touching. Slim Pushins: There you go. Corby: They also left him. Yeah, they left that guy too after it took back off. So he's still up there we think. Yeah, he's just cruising. Slim Pushins: Yeah, they left that guy. Wout Hoffmans: Is he still floating down, flying down to Earth? Slim Pushins: Just floating. just absolutely floating. Jim Gardner: You guys are blaspheming American badasses. Corby: It was cool, man. It was really cool to get to know you and know some of your story. ⁓ I think that it's a lot deeper of a story than a lot of people know. Yeah, there's plenty of, you know, punk racers here in America who think, ⁓ it's just some rich kid from the Netherlands that came over here with everything. And like you're saying, like you showed up with nothing and you met some dude named Darren at a race that you snuck across into the pits to even meet him, you know. Slim Pushins: You Wout Hoffmans: It's been wild. I've thinking about the stuff that I've had to do to get to the point where I'm at. Like, I don't know if I'd do that right now, but like in the time it all made sense and it all seems worth it. It's definitely, I would have never thought the first time I came over here, probably just like my parents that the three months was going to be it. I didn't think it was going to be it, but I didn't think, could have never dreamed of being where I'm at now. And like I'm stuck here now. Like this is my life. Corby: Yeah. That's cool, man. That's really cool. Slim Pushins: ⁓ I'm sure your parents were like, yeah, we'll let him go over there. He'll be there. He'll be back in four months selling cars at the car dealership for us. Wout Hoffmans: The day before I left, my dad bought me a new car for back home. And like, he would never tell me, but like, I think a couple months ago he was like, yeah, I just bought that car because I wanted you to come back after the three months. Slim Pushins: Hahaha! Wout Hoffmans: But I had him sell that a couple months ago, because I was like, it ain't going to happen, dad. Corby: That's cool, man. That's a wild story. Slim Pushins: Well, I have the utmost respect for your story and for the dream that you're chasing. I think it's awesome. ⁓ We will all continue to watch the story and follow you. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah, we're pulling for you, man. It's, it takes a lot of guts to be your age and fly halfway across the world and, ⁓ sleep on couches. And, know, I did, I did a little bit of that, ⁓ when I was your age and, ⁓ you, you, it sucks and, I couldn't do it, but, ⁓ mostly it tells me a lot about you that, that everybody is willing to put up with you, you know, ⁓ guys in the racing industry. expect people to work hard and be on time and hold people accountable. So the fact that you got so many people in your corner and giving you opportunities, whether it's in the shop, living with you, anything like that, just says a lot about you. So we're pulling for you, man. It's really cool. ⁓ What's your next race? What do you got going on? Wout Hoffmans: I think it's gonna be Port City, not this weekend, but the next for the Spring Fling in the Bowling Speed and Performance 1T with Johnny. Jim Gardner: All right, good deal. Slim Pushins: Good deal. Corby: He's been he's been accountable right now, but he didn't have a driver's license, so we'll see here Jim Gardner: I hope it is. Wout Hoffmans: I still don't have one. I've started the process of getting one that like you make an appointment and they're like two months out. So it's already been pissing me off. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Corby: ⁓ yeah. Slim Pushins: That's the easy part. Wait till you get to the DMV and you just sit and... Well, first of all, everybody that's sitting around you, you're going, these people do not need driver's license. Jim Gardner: Ha Corby: ⁓ yeah. Jim Gardner: Well, I've Luckily he's in Gainesville. I've snuck over the Gainesville DMV and it's not nearly the zoo that McKinney is and things closer to town. Maybe it's changed, but anyway. Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, I've got to go to Sherman for my social security card, which kind of sucks because that means I got to be close to the writer and Kevin, but I guess I'll deal with it for a little bit. Jim Gardner: Yeah, Sherman's Sherman's up near my territory, man. I live in between Sherman and Ryder and, you know, Claire, we're Ryder and them are so ⁓ we're out there. Slim Pushins: Hey, get you a driver's license and we'll go to the casino. Jim Gardner: Hahaha. Wout Hoffmans: Man. Slim Pushins: I'll pick you up. We'll pick you up on our way through Gainesville. Wout Hoffmans: go to the Wombi Riders house. Slim Pushins: That's a long way. Corby: We can go there too. We can go there too. Jim Gardner: No, that's right by my house. I can look out my garage and see the lights from that one. Corby's in Gainesville all the time playing golf with his new friends. Slim Pushins: We'll do that. You get your driver's license. That's the truth. Corby. Jim Gardner: Every time I text Corby on a Sunday, he's playing golf in Gainesville halfway to my house. Wout Hoffmans: There's a golf course in Gainesville. Corby: Yeah, it's over by the airport. Jim Gardner: It's on the other side of the highway by the airport. Slim Pushins: It's called the Corby Sherb Memorial 18-hole course. Corby: It's a I would say it's more I don't know if you're like super familiar with games It's it's a lot closer to Lindsay than it is Gainesville Wout Hoffmans: Yeah, I know where the airport's at. That makes sense. We're like in town, in town. Corby: Yeah. Jim Gardner: But yeah, so Corby will definitely see you on his way to the golf course, probably at QT while you're getting lunch. Slim Pushins: Maybe he'll invite you. He damn sure doesn't invite us. Corby: Well alright dude, it was really cool to meet you and get to know you and like I said dude, I wish you the best. Keep chasing man and keep some fresh gloves just in case. Wout Hoffmans: Gotta change the superstitions up. Jim Gardner: forward to watching you rip. Slim Pushins: We appreciate it man, we're pulling for you. Thanks for being on. Wout Hoffmans: Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Jim Gardner: Yep. Thanks. Well, thanks guys.