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Moonrise: The dawn of a new space age begins · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's the tip of the spear in the epic battle to defend the United States of America.
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  And National Security Hour exposes the wolves in sheep's clothing and the nefarious plots to undermine and destroy U.S.
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  national security.
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  Welcome to the National Security Hour on the America Out Loud Network.
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  I'm glad it's out loud because we've got to be talking about things going on, not just in this country, not in the world, but outside of the world.
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  Do we have any, shall I say it, launches projected?
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  Are we going to the moon, Alice?
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  Is that what's gonna happen?
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  Well, I'll tell you you can share that with us, a good friend of mine.
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  And not only is he such an important guy who is the senior vice president for policy at the Conservative Caucus, one of the oldest and largest conservative grassroots organizations.
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  For me, what's so important is that he is the president of the coalition to save man space exploration, and many of us are so hoping that it's alive and well, and yes, it is.
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  Welcome, Art Harmon, and tell us what's coming up on April.
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  Well, thanks so much, uh Blancita.
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  Always a pleasure to be on with you.
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  We've got an exciting uh launch coming up.
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  Those who remember way back into the 60s will remember America was going moon crazy.
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  We were going to the moon.
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  And today we're going back more than uh 50 years since the last Americans set foot on the moon.
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  This is really exciting.
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  It's way delayed, mostly just plain politics and bureaucracy and so forth.
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  Uh, but there's four astronauts, American, three Americans, one Canadian, who will be launching, presumably on April 1st.
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  Uh, if all goes well, and they will spend 10 days going out to the moon and then returning.
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  Now they're not gonna land.
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  I was gonna ask, are they gonna walk on the moon?
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  Uh no, that that's going to be probably two years and it uh ahead.
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  So this year we've got Artemis III, it's called and yeah, and uh folks go to the web, look it up.
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  Artemis uh I'm gonna ask you why they called it Artemis.
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  Artemis.
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  Well, uh Artemis was the um name given to it, you know, whereas Apollo was uh the moon uh in launch in the 60s.
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  So um Artemis is in Greek mythology.
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  Uh what was it?
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  The um daughter of Apollo, I think.
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  Uh uh so very appropriate.
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  And this is going in the tremendous SLS rocket, which has been unfortunately delayed by decades, but uh partly Why was it what was the delay on it?
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  What tell us a little background on the SLS rocket?
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  Well, we lost uh eight full years and really 15 years uh to to get back uh to where we were because Obama killed the return to the moon in 2010.
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  And it was for I think ideological reasons.
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  He didn't like American exceptionalism.
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  Uh he didn't like anything that was a Bush project.
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  Uh and it's quite possible that the Chinese said you want rare earth minerals, you're not going to the moon.
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  Now they may have told Trump that, and he he would have just said some uh foul language and done it anyway.
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  Right.
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  So he re uh resuscitated it in 2017 that we would be going to the moon.
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  Now, Congress didn't uh offer up much money to make it happen quickly.
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  So here we are today.
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  Uh just right thankfully on the cusp of going back to the moon.
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  Now let me ask you a little bit about we've got I want to want to kind of give the audience a little background on who these cosmonauts are, these astronauts are commander Reed Weissman.
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  Uh he's a veteran astronaut.
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  Tell us about this.
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  Well, he's um, you know, the the American astronauts are uh all veterans of uh of space missions, they've gone to the space stations and so forth.
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  Uh they that they know how to command a spacecraft, particularly uh Reed Weissman, the commander.
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  Uh you got the pilot who's Victor Glover, and he's another NASA pilot and the mission specialist.
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  These are the three Americans.
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  Christina, is it Cock from NASA?
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  Christina Koch, yes.
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  Um, and then we've got a Canadian.
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  So this would be the first uh thing mission specialist Jeremy Hansen.
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  Tell us about all these guys.
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  Uh they're they're they're the best and the brightest, they are the right stuff.
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  Uh the the only one that doesn't have space experience, although he's trained extensively for this mission, is Jeremy Hansen, the Canadian space agency's astronaut.
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  And I believe he had been, he probably would have gone to the space station uh for a uh six-month uh mission.
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  Uh, but they decided to put him on board uh the uh the moon rocket.
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  And so this, you know, we'll see in future years a lot of our uh our partners in uh space, our free world partners going uh joining us to uh to the moon.
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  Well, you know, the interesting thing is, I mean, I I would imagine that they're maybe, or maybe I'm wrong about this, a little disappointed that they don't get to land and walk on the moon.
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  We haven't had a walk on the moon for a long time.
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  We haven't, and this is this is the result of all of the uh the the years of delays, the bureaucracy, uh slow rolling it and so forth.
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  Um so you you you gotta learn to walk before you run.
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  You gotta ride that tricycle before you ride a bicycle and and then a motorcycle.
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  Uh so uh the first uh three years ago we had Artemis one, and that was unmanned, so there's nobody on it, but it went out and has spent about two weeks orbiting around the moon, demonstrating the capabilities and safety of the spacecraft, and everything checked out beautifully.
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  I was there for the launch.
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  It was a uh night launch, it really lit up the sky.
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  It was a beautiful site.
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  And by the way, put everybody put on your calendar, April 1st.
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  And uh what time?
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  What time?
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  It's in the uh the uh evening but before uh dark.
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  So um uh you go to NASA.
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  Uh NASA.gov and any other space sites and that and they'll they'll keep you updated because if there's technical glitches, if there's weather problems, and then they don't launch in bad weather, then uh then they may have to delay it for a few days.
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  But the first week of April, um, and the 30th, if if they don't do in the first week, then it'll be the 30th of April.
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  And if they don't do that, then we'll probably be bumping up into May.
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  Uh, they just want to make it absolutely perfect so that our astronauts are safe.
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  Let me ask you.
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  Okay, so we've had actually how many people who have walked on the moon.
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  I believe it's 12 who have walked on the moon.
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  And so about uh 16 that uh seven, eight uh eighteen that have uh uh gone, you know, because he was always one person like uh uh Michael Collins who orbited the uh the moon while uh Buzz Armstrong and Neil uh Buzz Algen and Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
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  And the interesting thing is Buzz is still alive, Buzz is pretty close to what he's almost a hundred years old now.
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  Bless Buzz.
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  You know, I I've talked to him over the years a lot.
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  He's he's a wonderful man.
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  Good guy.
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  He'll tell you exactly what he thinks.
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  Neil Armstrong when I talked to him is the consummate gentleman.
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  He was uh um extremely uh just uh gracious in in talking and relating his uh his experiences.
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  Uh so let's say a prayer that all of our uh surviving Apollo astronauts uh are there to watch us land on the moon in what looks like two years.
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  By the way, we just lost one.
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  Uh I just got the word today that Walt Anderson of Apollo 7 passed, and I talked to him.
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  He was a really, really good guy.
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  Uh so uh rest in peace, rest in the heavens, and uh let's hope the others hold on.
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  Well, you know, Buzz, I
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  I got to know pretty well because he did a lot with talk radio, especially during the 90s, but also he made uh several visits to the National Memorial Day in Washington.
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  And as you know, I'm the MC for that event.
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  And I think the last time I saw him was maybe four or five years ago.
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  But as you say, he does not hesitate to say what is on his mind.
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  He's very opinionated and a kick.
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  And he was married, and and you told me this the other day.
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  He was married to a lady who was like 30 years younger than he, or even maybe more than that.
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  And she passed away.
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  So, you know, he's in good health, and his brain cell is still kicked in.
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  So I'm hoping that he'll make it that, you know, that even if it's a hundred years old or however he is, that he'll be able to see the next launch where the they're gonna have the astronauts land on the moon.
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  Amen to that.
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  And I'm sure he'll be at the launch uh on April 1st, so that he can cheer on the astronauts and watch them uh take off and and uh then in 10 days, uh maybe he'll even be there to welcome them home.
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  Absolutely.
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  You know, the interesting thing is uh as a kid I can remember how exciting it was.
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  I was a little girl, uh, and there was always the race for space.
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  You know, was China gonna be there?
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  Was Russia gonna beat us?
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  They had some dog that was launched in space.
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  You probably remember that.
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  Can't even remember the name of the dog.
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  Can you remember the name of the dog?
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  The Russian dog was Leica.
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  Laica.
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  That's right.
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  Laika.
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  And then uh their first Russian cosmonaut.
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  I can't remember the name of that gentleman either.
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  You probably that's right, Yuri Gargarin.
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  That's right.
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  So have they pretty much stopped their intention to try to reach the moon?
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  Has China increased?
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  Who else is involved in this race for space?
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  I've never heard anything from the Middle East.
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  Uh, well, actually, in the Middle East, the UAE is very uh has has got a quite a large uh uh program to uh that you know they're they're building this little Mars city and so forth.
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  They have a great interest in uh in man space.
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  And which particular part of the Middle East?
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  Is that in Dubai or is that in the UAE, uh yeah, that that region.
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  Not around for any of those nations.
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  I've not heard anything about that.
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  India is an up and comer.
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  I think uh within a uh two or three years, they'll launch astronauts on their own spacecraft.
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  Uh, and I think they'll be an excellent partner to work with uh on the moon and eventually even Mars.
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  What you and I have talked about in previous episodes on this program is the reason that there is a big concern about trying to get to the other side of the moon.
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  And as you explain that in this time that people are trying to figure out what's going on around the world, why is that more important than ever?
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  Explain it to us.
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  Well, far side of the moon uh has different different minerals and so forth.
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  The Chinese actually landed a little uh rover there and and took samples and so forth.
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  Um the helium-3 is is uh more prevalent on the moon than on Earth, and that's a key element in uh in fusion for energy, and that's and with progress that's being made.
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  I think we'll see um uh a greater demand for helium-three.
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  So China knows that China, unlike this uh in the Soviet era, it's not Russia, it's China is our adversary in in uh for the uh for the the moon and Mars.
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  Back in 2017, the head of their lunar program said, in effect that they view the the uh space, the moon, and Mars, just like they do the South China Sea.
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  In other words, expect a territorial claim if they're there before we are.
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  Now, this is actually pretty serious because they've got uh they've already tested most all of the components for their lunar uh landings.
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  So they they tested the core of the rocket, the uh the crew capsule, the lander, uh and and all of these elements uh that they just had a huge test of uh several weeks ago, um, incorporating those.
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  Now they still have to finish their rocket.
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  They launched sort of half of the rocket, the other half, I expect later this year they'll test.
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  They could be on the moon next year.
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  They and that's and there are are they are they utilizing what we had the equipment that we had?
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  Is it much more sophisticated than what we had in our first landing on the moon?
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  I mean, it's incredible to believe that it's gonna be another two years before we can even get on to touchdown on the moon.
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  Uh you know, what was lost that we can't replicate to get there again.
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  Uh will power, you you know.
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  If if when President Bush back in, I believe 2004 said, We're going to return to the moon.
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  Uh that was at a time of record deficits, and uh he he could have asked for the moon literally, uh, and gotten a huge budget increase to actually put us on a path that would have placed us on the the moon within his uh uh his uh his terms.
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  Uh but they didn't.
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  They kind of slow rolled it, and then that allowed Obama to kill it.
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  And then in Trump's first term, he resurrected it, but Congress was not forthcoming with the money to really make it a national priority.
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  Then it kind of coasted under Biden.
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  Biden did not do what Obama did.
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  Uh th he put in a uh um, you know, the the senator astronaut uh John Glenn.
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  Uh no, no, uh, from Florida, Nelson, as as NASA uh chairman, so he didn't kill the program, but it wasn't advanced.
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  They again didn't push for extra money to make it happen sooner.
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  Uh and frankly, he was probably the uh the best um NASA administrator that a democra uh you know awoke Democrat administration would have picked.
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  It could have been now we're gonna put a little pause on that.
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  We're gonna find out more about that when we come back.
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  Talking with my good friend Art Harmon.
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  Art Harman, who is really amazing, he's the president of the coalition to save man space exploration, and clearly China's interested.
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  Russia's probably still interested, India's still interested.
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  We're gonna find out where it is now.
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  Welcome back to the National Security Hour.
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  I'm very excited to know that we have another planned man space launch coming up potentially on April the 1st, if the weather's good enough and uh everything seems to be coordinated right.
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  Well, we'll get more information on this from my friend who is a great guy.
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  He follows it like crazy.
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  He's the president of the coalition to save manned space exploration.
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  I'm talking about Art Harmon.
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  He spent a lot of time as a legislative director in Congress.
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  He developed a successful strategy to kill the 2013 Senate Amnesty Bill, wrote legislation and amendments and
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  And learn from the inside out how Congress really works because most people don't get it.
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  Some of those guys are members of Congress.
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  They don't get it.
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  And he's also the senior vice president for policy at the Conservative Caucus.
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  But aren't really people want to know what has taken us so long to go back to the moon.
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  In fact, it seems like we're going back to before step one because we can't even land on the moon.
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  And here now, you know, have people that are creatively slipping, even people like former President Obama talking about whether we have the presence of illegal, well, well, not illegal, but aliens from other planets that have come to Earth or that we know about.
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  And that would certainly seem like something you'd want to know that uh our own uh NASA and other organizations would be trying to stay on top of that because it's not you know, going back to the old years of the Twilight Zone, they don't necessarily have to be enemies.
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  They could we can learn from each other.
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  Your thoughts on that.
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  Uh well, the you know, for years, every president knew in their terms been asked the question will you declassify uh all of the documents on uh UFOs?
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  And none have President Trump this uh this year said uh um that he would so if they actually declassify everything, there's some some things you know you that are you know what is an unidentified flying object.
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  It could be, you know, that that we're tracking a uh uh a Russian or a uh Chinese advanced uh aircraft that's doing weird things um or other phenomena like that.
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  So you want to keep that classified for those reasons, but there's there are credible reports and footage and so forth, particularly by pilots because they're out there and they're very sharp, they're very observant, and and when they spot something, number one, they're putting their reputation on the line, so they're not going to just say, Oh, yeah, yeah, I saw something, and they they came and took me on board and fed me uh gold.
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  And gave me an exam, that's the thing that they always get.
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  That's it, yeah, and take cows with them.
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  But I'm sure their emperor likes uh beef too.
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  Uh but um so I think we may learn something.
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  Uh we we may not.
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  Um powers that be might even tell people.
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  Do they think that it's gonna frighten people?
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  You know, the concern used to be that they would say it would be challenging to people of faith.
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  It would be challenging to people that would be easily intimidated that we were going to have some extraterrestrial land and try to take over the world.
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  I mean, it's it's like should go back to the old Roosevelt saying the only thick thing to fear is fear itself, and but it seems to be intimidating, especially to your point to the leadership in this country.
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  You're you're right.
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  Uh all of our leaders should know what is and isn't uh a reality.
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  If there is something, we should know about it, and not just uh deep deep uh below the uh the desert in Nevada, but uh, but decision makers should know and understand.
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  Um, you know, if there actually were space aliens, and I think the probability is massive that in the huge universe there are, I would say number one, you know, God made man in his image, who's to say that he didn't make other creatures in his own image on other worlds.
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  Well, they always talk about something that happened where it was it outside of Arizona where they captured some spacecraft and there was right, exactly.
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  And uh the they they they show the the alien having a weird head and face, and in fact, a lot of sci-fi movies have been based upon that depiction.
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  Is that something you take with a lot of credibility, or do you look at that as something that's kind of phony, Hollywood?
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  Well, it's kind of this start of the typical cover up.
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  Oh, it's just a weather balloon.
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  Uh, but you know, the the initial folks on the scene reported, you know, more metallic stuff and so forth, not weather balloon, uh, mylar fabric or whatever.
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  So uh who really knows.
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  Um it did seem to be kind of hushed up, but who knows?
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  Um will we ever really know?
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  I don't know.
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  Uh we'll see if Trump can get things declassified.
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  An awful lot of such reports may be highly advanced um aircraft and so forth of our own making, US.
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  Uh the um the question that that's that's I'm starting to interrupt you because I was thinking as you were discussing this.
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  Are there aircraft that can you know not be detected or so sophisticated that we won't know they're there because they're created specifically for that?
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  And is that potentially what could be classified?
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  Oh, quite quite certainly, and and we don't want to declassify stuff of our own that uh is giving us a an advantage.
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  Um, you know, it's kind of funny.
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  There's uh um Harry Potter had this invisibility cloak.
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  Right.
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  Well, you know, science fiction spurs science fact, and there's been so many things that people write about in the science fiction that then somebody says, huh?
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  Wonder if I could do that.
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  So they they actually have been able to create things that are kind of like that that'll bend light rays.
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  So you can hide a tank, you can hide uh whatever, and so maybe you can hide an aircraft uh in in certain ways.
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  Would we be able to know through all of that if our quote unquote enemy has that capability?
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  Are we are we sophisticated enough in our intelligence to know if that would be Russia, if that could come from China, if that could come from some other part of the world that uh can pay a lot of money for scientists to develop that capability?
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  Well, China, you know, China's our our number one enemy or number one technological arrival, they steal our technology, they'll steal it however they can.
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  They've got their thousand talents program to uh to pay uh Western scientists huge amounts of money to uh work for them.
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  They'll even set them up with uh, you know, a lovely uh mansion in China and and million dollar salaries and so forth um to to buy those talents.
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  It's it's utterly evil.
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  Uh so you know, and folks who have financial problems or just want riches, uh, they'll often do that.
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  Uh do we know um do we have a clue of who some of these brilliant scientists are?
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  Are they mostly from other countries?
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  Are they from our country?
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  Do we have is there like uh an ability for us to know who the leading scientists uh who are developing programming to and capability to go to the moon and beyond?
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  Do we know who they are and where they are?
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  I would imagine the uh US government news, many of them, but probably not all, you know, you'll just have some uh you know, Harvard professor and something or other, and all of a sudden uh he retires from Harvard, and uh, unless you really track him, suddenly he's got a uh million-dollar mansion and uh um you know, some some resort place and is uh is working for them, um, or still working at Harvard and uh and taking that side uh payment.
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  Then we do that after World War II with guys like Werner von Braun, was a Germ German, and he can't heck yes, yeah, yeah.
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  We we we mined uh Germany of scientists, and it was Werner von Braun who was uh very instrumental in building the return to the to uh uh you know, bit building up our our moon program.
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  Here's actually something that most people don't know.
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  You know, I sometimes will hear the criticism that well, you know, Apollo is designed to show the flag and grab some rocks and be done with it, period.
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  No, Verna von Braun's plan was to go to the moon as we did and continue past Apollo 17, which was our last in 1972, but then build a base on the moon in the 1970s, go to Mars, get this Mars in the 1980s.
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  So if uh we had had presidents and budgets that uh uh that allowed it, kids today, you know, they'd go out, it's a brand new moon.
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  You do you just see little crescent or something, but there'd be something else.
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  There'd be a light, and then little kids would uh point and say, Mommy daddy, there's people on the moon.
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  I see the light.
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  And we would be so much further advanced.
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  Our whole technological powerhouse would have been even more advanced than it is today.
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  Well, it just seems like in a way, we we're really still very primitive.
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  And it's it's uh it's disheartening because when I talk to you, how much how far we came in that period of time with uh John F.
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  Kennedy say when people say to me, uh why?
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  And I say, why not?
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  And and we lost that.
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  We lost that why not and uh looking past this world.
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  And I'm wondering too if it had any uh disheartenment that we developed from Vietnam against the military.
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  The president didn't create the term space force to make it more like a Star Wars kind of thing.
• 30:52
  Do we have to get to a point where we are proud of this competitive uh international nationalism going to the moon?
• 31:01
  Well, you you know, there's there's this huge difference between uh the 60s when the media, yeah, they were generally biased to uh to the left, but they were a hell of a lot more fair than they are today, and they loved the moon program.
• 31:23
  And so, you know, kids growing up wanted to be astronauts or engineers and so forth.
• 31:31
  They were inspired by it.
• 31:33
  Every kid would have a TV wheeled into the classroom to watch the latest.
• 31:38
  Um, they were heroes when when uh uh the Apollo astronauts returned home, and even John Glenn and so forth, they got ticker tape parades uh celebrating them in in our cities, and everywhere they would go, they were heroes.
• 31:54
  Today, the mantra is if it bleeds, it leads.
• 31:59
  It's gotta be bad news, it's got to be bad news against America, it's got to be bad news against uh Republicans, of course, Trump, and so positive uplifting news is essentially forbidden in today's media, because they don't want us to have a uh you know, a promise of a better future.
• 32:21
  They want to have a future with which only leads us towards communism.
• 32:28
  Well, think about this.
• 32:29
  Uh, at that time, you had pretty much just three networks.
• 32:35
  You didn't have cable television, you didn't have CNN when the first launch happened.
• 32:40
  CNN didn't happen until later.
• 32:42
  And you had people waited for the delivery of their morning newspaper or newspapers.
• 32:48
  There were lots of reporters that were covering things.
• 32:50
  They had certain beats.
• 32:52
  And um, we had had guys that had broken the sound barrier, Chuck Yeager that did that in, I guess what was it, the 50s?
• 33:03
  And uh maybe even earlier.
• 33:06
  Yeah, yeah, he yeah, it's in the in the 50s, and and uh that that was uh heroic and uh and helped advance our aviation, which contributed to uh being able to go to the moon.
• 33:23
  As a little girl, until I moved to Texas when I was a young teen, we lived in California in La Hoyot, and in San Diego, they had Ryan, they had Convair, they had Solar, all these places that built airplanes, the Wright Brothers plane, all of that stuff was out of there, and um and I'm sure that's I haven't been there in many years, but I would be surprised that that's all disappeared.
• 33:51
  That's not there anymore.
• 33:52
  And you could hear the planes flying over all the time of these planes that they had built uh as a kid.
• 33:59
  I remember that significantly later than World War II because I wasn't born in those years.
• 34:04
  But the main thing is that people still had respect for that, and that's changed.
• 34:09
  And I wonder if again, if that didn't happen because of Vietnam, I'm wondering with John Glenn.
• 34:16
  Did he he was a senator, but was he a democratic senator?
• 34:19
  Wasn't yeah, yeah.
• 34:21
  Because I was wondering, did he make a difference when it came to the race for space?
• 34:27
  Did he lose his own interest in his in going, you know, uh sending astronauts to the moon?
• 34:34
  Was he helpful?
• 34:35
  I found him to be less than enthusiastic about space.
• 34:41
  He was not out there actively from my uh memories campaigning, you know, we need to return to the moon, we need to uh to to give NASA the budgets to do that with.
• 34:55
  Um, you know, that said he he was one of the right stuff heroes.
• 35:00
  Uh, but I think he could have taken a far greater leadership role in uh when he was in the Senate.
• 35:08
  Well, you know, they made those individuals, all those guys heroes, you know.
• 35:14
  Uh Buzz Lightyear was developed from Buzz.
• 35:18
  Oh, yeah.
• 35:19
  You know, you think about John Glenn, they wrote stories about his wife, too, who was a woman.
• 35:25
  I don't know whether she had a speech impediment or an ear problem, but they they made them look like such heroic families that were supportive of this risk.
• 35:37
  And I'm not sure, at least I haven't seen any of the information like that you have sent me on these individuals that are going to be taking off on April the 1st.
• 35:47
  And I think it would be spectacular to have background on them.
• 35:51
  Why do you think that they're not is it it's not being distributed to the media or they just don't care about it as much?
• 35:58
  Oh, this stuff's out there.
• 35:59
  Uh, you know, I I was down in in January, I went down to the what they call the rollout of the Artemis rocket, where they move it from the uh uh one of the biggest buildings on uh in the world, uh the vehicle assembly building, and they uh roll it down.
• 36:15
  It took all day to the launch pad a few miles away.
• 36:20
  Uh and uh so uh they they talked, I was there, I chatted uh briefly with uh with the astronauts.
• 36:29
  Uh that they are fine, fine people.
• 36:32
  They're they're wonderful.
• 36:34
  And one of them uh talked about, you know, it was sort of like what will you be thinking of when you're on your way to the moon?
• 36:42
  And he said, my family.
• 36:45
  So um that that's huge.
• 36:47
  You know, when when you're doing something that's a bit daring and and dangerous, there's always dangers in space flight, although it's so much safer than that used to be the call.
• 36:59
  That was the kind of danger that people wanted to be involved in because it was heroic danger.
• 37:05
  Hold your thoughts on that, Art Harman, as we take another break here on the National Security Hour.
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• 38:56
  This is the national security hour, and I'm having the greatest conversation with one of my personal heroes because he's an adventurer, Art Harman.
• 39:04
  He is amazing as a president of the coalition, the Save Man Space Exploration.
• 39:09
  He has so many other things that he does in his life, but right now, when we have so much trouble in the world, it's nice to have an opportunity to go for something that's bigger than our problems, to be able to reach out past our world into other worlds.
• 39:26
  And uh, we were talking at our first segment about the importance why the Chinese and others are trying to go to the dark side of what we call the dark side of the moon.
• 39:36
  What's significant about that?
• 39:39
  And Art, what what are they looking at?
• 39:41
  What is there that we're not aware of?
• 39:43
  Why is that side of the moon more important?
• 39:46
  Well, it's not necessarily more important, but it does have a uh a very different array of minerals and so forth.
• 39:55
  Uh, here's one interesting thing.
• 39:58
  Um we have radio.
• 40:00
  Radio telescopes that you know seek out radio signals uh uh you know around the universe.
• 40:09
  Now there's a hell of a lot, of course, of radio transmissions of every possible frequency from Earth.
• 40:16
  When you're on the far side of the moon, then you're in you're isolated from that.
• 40:22
  So we will be able to eventually we'll have radio telescopes on the dark side of the moon, far side of the moon.
• 40:30
  It's not dark.
• 40:31
  No, it's far.
• 40:34
  Okay.
• 40:35
  And uh and so we will be able to hear things with a lot greater clarity than we ever could before because it won't be all of this junk uh coming from Earth.
• 40:46
  All right.
• 40:46
  So in other words, too, you could potentially see what would be going on around the world if we had the equipment there to know if they have, let's say, I don't know, in a place like Iran or if they've constructed or Russia, they have the capability for nuclear ballistic missiles or whatever.
• 41:08
  Uh am I right or wrong on that?
• 41:10
  I mean, isn't that one thing?
• 41:12
  And then the other thing I maybe again I could be wrong, you correct me on this, is that they've discovered there's water on the moon.
• 41:20
  Water is key.
• 41:22
  Uh yes, there's uh there's two sources of water on the moon, and indeed, water is hydrogen and oxygen, which makes up rocket fuel, it's oxygen to breathe, it's water to drink, it's uh hydrogen and oxygen for various chemical processes you you need.
• 41:41
  Uh and um about um uh 15 years ago or something, uh we had this uh um this moon orbiting uh probe called Clementine, and at the end of its mission, they crashed it deliberately into one of the craters on the South Pole.
• 42:01
  Now, why the South Pole?
• 42:03
  Well, you know, the sun's coming in from the side, and there's these craters that have never seen daylight.
• 42:12
  So they're uh you know, water would not evaporate.
• 42:16
  And so over the eons, um comets crashing in and so forth, there was believed would have uh uh you know ice uh comets because that that's a known thing.
• 42:28
  Um and so when they crashed it in, it put out this spray, and they were able to get the spectrum of water and said, Wow, there's really water there, right?
• 42:40
  And then we've discovered that if you heat up lunar soil, technically they call it regolith, but it but you know, it it it because it's not uh uh biological in nature, it's just plain uh ground up rocks.
• 42:56
  Um then you can bake out of it some water in in a fairly decent amount.
• 43:03
  So with water, you you you've got this support for life without having to have tanker trucks from uh uh ships from uh Earth every every month.
• 43:14
  The only question would be about is having to create the environment to be able to live because there's not oxygen.
• 43:22
  The moon is there was a uh uh science fiction book called The Moon is a harsh mistress, uh, by one of the uh science fiction greats.
• 43:32
  Um living on the moon and Mars will be very, very difficult.
• 43:37
  Uh you will be living underground, or you it may have a habitat that's built above ground, but then it's got six to eight feet of soil on top of it to uh protect from thermal uh differences.
• 43:51
  It goes uh, you know, a swing of about 400 degrees uh from day to night on the moon from radiation, um, and from uh micrometeorites.
• 44:03
  So you you're gonna be living underground.
• 44:06
  Um you won't be going out every day.
• 44:09
  Uh you'll go out just like on the space station when you need to.
• 44:14
  And so even you know, 10, you know, 50 years from now, it won't be uh, oh, I want to go take an after dinner stroll to the South Crater.
• 44:25
  No, you'll uh spacesuits will always be valuable and fragile and so forth.
• 44:33
  So um I don't think you won't be having shopping walls on the moon.
• 44:37
  You won't have ice cream stores on the moon.
• 44:40
  Well, no, no, I wouldn't say that not that.
• 44:42
  I I could see, I don't know, maybe maybe Baron Trump's the right one for this to do to uh to build a uh you know lunar hotel because I do think uh space tourism it's going to be huge, you know.
• 44:55
  Elon Musk says for you know, price of a luxury cruise, you'll be able to go around the earth in in orbit.
• 45:02
  And I and I would say in 10 years that's possible, and then in 15 years, I would say for you know, maybe twice the cost of a luxury cruise, you'll actually be able to go and spend a day or a week on the moon and make your own footprints on the moon.
• 45:20
  What would what would we encounter if we were able had the capability to land in Mars?
• 45:26
  That's that seems like much harsher circumstance, even than the moon.
• 45:31
  It's different, it it has its own unique difficulties and its own unique uh uh things that make life a little easier.
• 45:42
  So there's carbon on the moon.
• 45:44
  Um I'm sorry, on Mars, if there's not on uh on the moon, and so that you you you you've got a lot better ability to create um you know products of of any sort there.
• 45:57
  Um and uh, but on both the soil is very toxic in different ways.
• 46:06
  On on Mars, it's poisonous, it's got these chemical called uh perchlorates.
• 46:12
  So if you inhale it, it's gonna destroy your thyroid and stuff.
• 46:16
  Um and on the moon, it's like uh asbestos times uh a thousand.
• 46:23
  It's it's uh basically if you can imagine if you've ever touched, say, lava, and you then grind that into powder, it's sharp as heck.
• 46:34
  So if you inhale it, it's going to uh really tear apart your lungs.
• 46:38
  So with technology and with the need, people will come up with the technologies so that you can live on or work on or visit the moon and Mars and not uh die of either of those maladies.
• 46:56
  By the way, I was gonna ask you, are there planets?
• 46:59
  And we've got you know nine or so that we are familiar with.
• 47:04
  Uh, are there any of them?
• 47:05
  We got Saturn, we've got Pluto, we've got all these other planets.
• 47:10
  Are there any that are potentially, even though they're so far away that would be more compatible to us to live on?
• 47:18
  Um, a few, really moons of of Jupiter and and Saturn, yes.
• 47:24
  Um those have have great possibilities, and and I think we'll be doing a lot more exploration of those.
• 47:34
  Um, you know, with uh starship, Elon Musk's monster rocket, it's going to drive down the costs tremendously of sending probes to the outer planets.
• 47:46
  All you got to do is build it, and then the the launch costs will be relatively trivial.
• 47:52
  Uh and with his massive rockets, you'll be able to get there in you know, instead of uh years to some of the outer planets in months, right?
• 48:02
  Uh so um, but uh, you know, besides uh, you know, Venus is just too hot, it's got uh you know, basically uh sulfuric acid uh atmosphere.
• 48:13
  Nobody's ever going to be on that.
• 48:15
  Um people have said, oh, well, let's have balloons.
• 48:18
  People live on balloons uh in the upper atmosphere with a temperature is moderate.
• 48:23
  It's like, no, because uh where are you going to get everything?
• 48:27
  You're gonna have to import everything.
• 48:29
  Right.
• 48:29
  Uh and you won't be able to get a you won't be able to get an Uber to drive over a uh food from a restaurant to work.
• 48:39
  Indeed.
• 48:39
  Well, there will be, and and even looking beyond, and and this is kind of cool, beyond starship, which is you know the most advanced thing we have.
• 48:49
  There is uh uh there are electric propulsion um uh engines that are made there, they're very low thrust.
• 48:59
  We can keep it going for a long, long time.
• 49:02
  And those solar electric, you'll you'll hear nuclear electric propulsion.
• 49:07
  Um, those will allow speeding up going to outer planets for exploration and so forth dramatically, and make a journey to Mars instead of being six to nine months, maybe two months, uh, which reduces your risk in transit of radiation and so forth.
• 49:29
  Yeah.
• 49:30
  Are they developing materials or products that uh make it difficult for radiation to penetrate so that people can actually survive?
• 49:42
  Well, it's known how you do it.
• 49:45
  Uh and spacecraft water is a beautiful water and polyethylene are uh are uh two beautiful um blocks for radiation, and so I could imagine uh you know, few.
• 50:00
  spacecraft having a ring of water around you you have all your drinking water around you and and that blocks the radiation uh and or some some of it there'll always be a need for um you know if if you're going to Mars you you'll want to have uh you know heavy radiation suits that you can get into when there's a solar storm that belches out unbelievable amounts of uh radiation but those are few and far between um let me let me ask you let me take you back to the launch okay because as we're winding up this segment the launch is scheduled for April the first and let's say it's going to be very successful we hope that it is magnificently successful gets excellent coverage how long till the next one where does the process go do you have enough people on both sides of the aisle that really understand its value or do you have people that are trying to squash it and keep it from happening yes and no first question oh and by the by the way people can go to save manspace.com and save manspace on Facebook and Twitter uh do more frequent updates on Twitter or X sorry um but um the um the next launch after this where we'll actually land that'll occur in 2018 early and then they'll do a second uh launch in late 2018 the idea is instead of going every umpteen years it'll be every 10 months we'll be uh uh sending people to to the moon uh and it's possible then that Elon Musk's starship will be able to advance that even more um do you see any opportunity where we could work with other countries and a collective unified uh uh effort to try to make this more successful faster do you think the Russians would work with us or the Chinese would work with us or the Indians work with us would they do that is is that something that's conceivable or sure yeah um just like we have international partners on the space station including russia russia won't be a partner with us on uh on the moon moon and mars and so forth they're they're partnering with uh China uh and of course we can't uh partner with China because they'll just steal our technology and uh and and so forth so um yeah yes uh we will go to the to the moon we're we've got canadian astronaut going with us on on the first and everybody should uh tune in and watch that nasa channel and on uh on uh will you get on on on on your site yes yes i'll i'll i'll have info on uh save manspace.com and uh and on uh uh ex and uh facebook so yeah just uh follow those and you'll you'll learn more and when we go to save manspace.com for the folks that are so interested will you have uh really uh bigger detail on who these participants on are the astronauts more about their background photos so that we can you know it's like rooting for the home team you want to know more about them uh we used to do that in the past you know when the when they won up Michael Collins uh who later I got to be very good friends with with his sister his late sister and they were wonderful people um but you know we would hear all the details and got to be so excited about this will you have more about them sure yeah yeah I'll I'll give you lots more info so yeah just uh stay tuned uh and uh you know it is kind of exciting that we got a Canadian on board and and I think uh first yeah oh yeah and we'll probably have uh the European space agency uh Japan asked uh astronauts from Japan and so forth eventually is musk doing anything to help on on this at all I'm sorry is Elon Musk helping him absolutely well you see um basically NASA built the rocket itself uh and uh through through Boeing and Lockheed Martin uh but the uh the lander is going to be right now there's a competition Elon Musk's lander and Blue Origins land or Blue Origin of course is Amazon founders Bezosis um and so they're in a competition basically to see who will get the contract so the next Artemis uh after this one is not going to actually land on the moon it's going to um it it's going to uh go to earth orbit and then one or both of these competing landers will dock with it as practice just like uh we did with Apollo 9 before actually going to the moon and so then the uh uh the the uh the following one um uh Artemis 4 that'll be landing on the moon in 20 early 2018 and a second landing in late 2018 well i'm hoping that uh and i'm not sure if it's there i haven't looked so forgive me for doing follow-up on this because you know i'm a big supporter of everything you do but do you have old interviews with any of the former astronauts that you can add to your site so we can build up a little history oh that's a good question i don't know because so many of my uh talks with them it was on the phone it was uh in person uh and i don't think i have any uh you know the the if you can find any historical interviews that you've had and you can maybe cut them down and this is what he said about that you know that so uh i'll i'll certainly uh try and and one thing that i'll put up there is uh is a link to uh the the last time neil armstrong spoke before congress and he narrated the um he narrated the the the landing you know what was going through his mind oh wonderful time i can't believe we're out of time but save manspace.com art harmon god bless you my good friend for keeping it alive for everybody and we'll make sure to check it out save manspace.com i'm blankita cullum and we'll talk next week