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Yoreh De’ah 229:2-6. Vows: Hataras Nedarim: Annulling Partial Vows and Conditions · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, Raish khop tet we're starting to eat bet.
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  I just one comment on what we said yesterday to clarify Shlomo
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  Hamela was matakin Natila sedayim for Kochim, right?
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  Otherwise you have to burn it if it gets touched.
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  But it was later on that were said it needs to be with a
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  mikvah, right? And also we asked about Azera
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  Lexera by Basil and Bechamme or goes there and Natalesia Daim on
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  Truma. So then later a couple years
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  later, a couple generations later with with Rav Lazar
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  Benarak, then it had also Natalesia Daim for bread cooling
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  as well. That's what was added.
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  So we asked about Zadak Zara Lexera.
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  So just three just so I don't think we call that axera Lexera.
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  First of all, some say the reason is srakht.
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  There's three reasons given for natilis yadayam for bread.
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  And so one of them is srakhtruma.
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  And so it's not exactly AI mean depends how you want to word it,
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  But one, it's not it's a Takana to in order to get Kohanim
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  washing their hands on a regular basis.
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  So once they're washing their hands for this, then they'll be
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  more raggial to wash their hands for that.
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  It's not really a Takana Takana Exeria leg 0 where you're like
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  ushering this and then ushering something else so that you don't
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  come close to the second zero doesn't really get there.
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  And then a couple other reasons is Mishu Nakios and Vitki
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  Dashedam that we should eat with the holiness.
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  We sit down at the table and we prepare ourselves well, the
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  zero, no one can touch their hands with tummy hands, right?
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  It's us there to touch with your tummy hands to cut you.
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  The zero was now when you want to eat them, you have to wash
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  your hands or dip your hands. The bikfa bet even back to
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  Nadarian E mehrimo O nidu asara binayadam, right?
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  On the topic of what if you want to partially do hataras Nadarian
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  on part of the Nader. So now we're talking about the
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  the kahal puts somebody in khairam or nidui.
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  What if you do 10 people at the same time and then we hit Tiru
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  ehadmaham and then you write, well, one of the guys were
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  innocent, let's be matir hen or he's doing chuva, whatever it
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  is, they're Matir, one of the 10 guys.
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  So then who Muttar he becomes Muttar the kulam Ansurian and
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  all the others remain in the same khairam.
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  It's not doesn't have that same principle.
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  I mean, the kavana, right may not have been tylo zebaza, but
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  that's not the point. That's actually not really the
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  issue. The issue is when it comes to
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  harem, we're not doing MI ikara. There's no, it's not an issue of
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  kharata. We're not going back to when it
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  was originally done. So it has nothing to do with
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  that. It's similar to doing hafara
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  here. Let's keep reading Bahen
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  bahafaras baal and same thing. If a husband wants to be may for
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  or the father wants to be may for to the the nether to the
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  nether IMA hafer neder ishto the miksat lohutar kulo.
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  If a husband right wants to do hafara on part of her, the
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  wife's neder, so the part that he's may for ends, he severs it
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  and is no longer binding. But the rest of the net there
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  stays binding because the whole concept when it's done with
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  hafara and with the harem is it stops it where it is.
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  It's mikan ullahaba. It's not an issue of lamafair.
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  You're not the ochre something lamafaira.
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  So therefore, by definition, it doesn't really make sense to say
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  if you ochre a part of it, you stop a part of it.
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  Now it's like either you're carving it out to stop it.
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  It has nothing to do with going backwards.
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  So this never gets on to the issue of if you do part of it,
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  then the rest of it goes with it.
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  OK, gilmo Nader me ekhad person makes another from one person
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  and then the almar al akhr yeh caploni.
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  And then you turn to the next guy and you say you know what
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  you're going to be. I'm giving you the same, the
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  same neder I did to him, I did to you.
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  Whether you're asking an object to him or yourself from him,
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  you're doing the same thing and you say it.
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  You shall be like that person. So then kulam Masurims, they're
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  both asar. Afilu adumaya.
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  Even if you do this to 100 people one after another, right,
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  Then you go to the next one and you'll be like the like this guy
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  and the one before and the one before and you keep on going or
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  like the first guy, whatever, whatever it is, it doesn't
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  matter. Then they're all asar, a few
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  admeya, even 100 even more so that's the expression.
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  A few admeya, Hutar Harishan who threw kulam.
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  But, and so therefore, if you're mati, you're the first one.
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  Then Meyla, they all become matiya because they're all
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  building blocks. They're all resting on top of
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  the first one. We learned something similar to
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  this. OK, right.
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  And then hutar Ahran, who mutter the kulam assurim.
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  Now what If you're a mat? You're only the last one.
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  So then only the last one gets hutar.
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  And all the ones before are still usur because the last one
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  is built on the one before. But the one before has nothing
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  to do with the one afterwards. OK, hutar am Sai koshakodam
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  Assurim. Now if hutar am Sai, call haku.
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  OK, so then if you're in the middle, let's say #50 So you're
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  just saying that. Well, we already know.
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  So the first fifty are going to be mutter, and the last 50 are
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  no, the last 50 are going to stay become mutter because they
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  all fall off. But all the ones before have no
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  shy access to the latter ones. So the first ones are aser, the
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  latter ones are mutter, right? Whatever is before, kosher kodem
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  lo assurim, all the ones before remain aser.
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  OK, now listen to this. This is what you were talking
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  about. But hey, me shanadar Vishama
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  Caveiro, the Amar Tokade dibor. Now let's say one person makes a
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  neder on someone else, right? And then or whatever it makes a
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  neder, whatever it is, Vishama caveiro.
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  And then right next to him hears the is neder and says, oh,
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  that's a good idea. I want to do the same thing, the
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  Amar Tokade dibor. And then within let's say 2
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  seconds, he says, Vani, me too. So then what happens?
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  And Vishama, well read Vishama Shushi.
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  What if a third guy is also there?
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  And then right after the second guy, the Amarvani and he also
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  says me too. So then now the shock just
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  points out that when it's one person on himself for his own
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  Ned there, he can add and say and now you know, this piece of
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  bread he said was the first day on the next day, you can say now
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  this piece of meat is user like the like the bread.
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  It can be done on another day. There's there's there's no time
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  limit. But when you're doing it from a
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  friend to a friend, when you're copycatting the friend next to
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  you so that it must be takade dibor.
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  All right, we pretty much saw that before.
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  He's just reminding us. Well, you can make a whole new
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  nether. But to say the word Vani or me
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  too, right, then that has to be takade dibor.
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  Obviously he can make his. I think you need to have the
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  Lusha nether if you do it after if the second person does it
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  after takade dibor, then you have to use the proper lushan of
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  another which we Ala base. So then with Nisha, al Harisha
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  and al nidro. And so now if the first one is
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  does ataras nidaiam right? This is different people this
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  case one after another. So the first one did Ataras
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  Adaiam, then the Hutari became mutter who drew Kulam.
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  Then they all become mutter because they're all he.
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  All of these people are Vani. They're all also being stacked
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  upon, piggybacking after the first one, OK, Nishala Akharan.
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  But if the last one is Atar Satarian, the Hutar Akharan and
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  the last one becomes they they actually go through with it
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  becomes mutter mutter the Kula Masurian and all the other ones
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  before remain aser Nishala Sheni, the Hutarasheni.
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  So then and if the second person does it, so then he becomes
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  mutter. If we Arkon mutarium and
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  everybody afterwards is mutter or this case is 3 people.
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  So the last one is the third one we harish on asar and the first
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  one remains asar, right. The same thing we we've been
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  saying the whole time. The Who adin le noder MI basar,
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  the heat piece, the pot a person makes the first net there is on
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  a piece of meat and then he's using then he's he's being
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  mouthpiece. He's depending on the situation,
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  but the wording, but you could say I'm making this piece of
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  bread now usser to me just like that piece of meat.
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  So that that works. That's right, that's pasta,
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  that's right. You could use that or a lush and
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  carbon, whatever. But here that's the case.
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  And note. So first you did Basa, then you
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  did another Ned there on a piece of bread, piggybacking the meat,
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  the heat beast of ash pot, and you make a third Ned there and
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  you're being Matsui. And now you're including honey
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  to become like the middle item, the bread, you know.
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  So it's three, either basar bread and honey, asar Allah or
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  asar Allah kikar staypa amim. Or you made another or a shivua
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  twice on one piece of bread. Yeah.
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  Oh, I'm sorry. It's a new case.
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  Oh, Shanisha Allah staypa amim no Shiva twice.
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  Alpha P Shanisha Allah vetirolo asar Achisha Allahvitirolo palm
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  shanit. So the first one that you do it
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  on, but whatever you do the when you do the hatara, well, the Hua
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  din, when we said about basar pat and vash, it's saying that's
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  the same Allah as we learned before, right?
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  You do the first one it only it works for all of them.
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  If you if you would have done it on basar, it would work on the
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  well asar. It's a period really.
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  It's a new case who I did not. So if you did the Bussar, that's
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  first. If you do the, it only goes on.
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  It goes on everything. That's what that was first.
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  If you only did it on the Vash, it only worked on the Vash.
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  OK, new case. Now if a person does another.
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  Yeah, we said that, correct? That's what we said.
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  Now new case, you do it twice or you can say eval whatever you do
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  2 Nadarian on the same thing or two shivuas.
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  So then this we also really touched upon previously.
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  You need to do hatara on both of them because when you do another
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  twice or a Shivua twice. So we're saying it only worked.
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  Both are Tophis Bhavir, but one of them, the first one is Khal
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  right now. And you can't do Hatara on the
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  second one until it's called. So you have to and it's separate
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  Nadarim. So you have to first do Hataras
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  Nadarim on the first one and then the second one kicks in and
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  then you do Hatara on the then you do Hatara on the second one
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  after it kicks in. Here an interesting case the the
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  shock brings in that Isha Shanath, this is in the middle
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  of your base. Isha Shanatha, a woman makes
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  another and then someone next to her says Vani, or I'm going to
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  be, I'm going to be like her, or he makes a whole lush under the
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  nether, but I'm going to be like her.
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  Either way, it'd be the same Allah and his mouthpiece on to
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  her, right? Shalmar, Vani Kemota, the heifer
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  la Balov. And so then the husband or the
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  father, right, depending on the age, does Hafara on this woman's
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  nether? What about this other person,
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  this other adult who said I'm going to be like her?
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  So the halacha is the Shah says it's a Gemara mifreshus.
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  The he mutteret, it's a Nazir. He mutteret.
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  We have a mouthpiece Aser. So she stay.
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  So she becomes mother because he did a Farah, right?
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  And the second guy stays Aser. Why?
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  It's pretty partial because again, the the husband does it,
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  he's doing he's severing it. It's not a it's not Hataras
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  Nadarian. Hataras Nadarian goes MI ikara.
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  So therefore, when you're piggybacking, the whole thing
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  from the very beginning falls apart, right, like old domino
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  effect or a whole stack. You know, you pull out from the
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  bottom, they're all going to come crumbling down.
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  But here Hafara doesn't take it, doesn't do Hatara from the
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  beginning. He only severs it midway.
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  So the the beginning or the whole foundation of the whole or
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  half of the whole nether is completely standing.
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  So therefore the second person who is Matsui's honor, it's
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  still he still states remains 100% binding.
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  Fine, let's go to Dalit Nishba Aldevar Echad person makes a
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  shivua on one item, Venishba shaloisha al Shavueto.
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  So now he's getting clever and he says now I'm going to make
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  tuna darn basically. And Ned there I'm making a
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  shivua to do one thing and then a shivua.
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  It works well with the Shiva. I don't know, we'll see if it
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  applies to to the IT depends how you do it.
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  But the lashon is easy by a shivua.
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  So we'll just use this as the example.
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  So a person does a shivua, he makes on one thing and then he
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  makes a shivua that he's not going to do a taras nadaram.
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  So what do you do now? So then Nisha tehila a la krona
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  shenish bashala yatirolo via karka nishala rishona, no
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  problem. Even though he made a shivua,
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  he's not going to do a taras nadaram.
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  You can still do a Taras Nadaram.
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  He made a double Shiva. He made two Shiva's first was
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  not to do something or to do something and then it was not to
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  do a Tara sedarium. So you do a Tara sedarium on the
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  Shiva, not to do a Tara sedarium.
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  And then you do a a second a Tara sedarium on the ICAR on the
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  1st Shiva. The same in Ishba and Nadarshala
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  Sodavaruploni below Hatara. And if a person makes a Shiva
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  net there that he's not going to do something, he's not going to
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  do something and there's no Attara for it, well below Afara
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  and you can't do Afara for it. That was built into the Shiva on
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  the nether. So then Nishba tehila masha Amar
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  below Hatara. So first you do Hatara sadarium
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  on the words below Hatara that you that there's not going to be
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  any possibility of doing Hatara in the Shiva.
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  And then you make the actual hatara on the main primary
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  nether. OK, the Hein sibor Shih tilo
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  Heron and so to it sibor that made a Heron vihit nushalo yasu
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  atara the the seibor when they made their Heron or the wherever
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  the the leaders that were appointed, right?
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  Whoever does it, the Seibor, they made a Heron.
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  And when they made a Heron, they're going to say, and it's
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  not possible to do atara or they put someone in the Heron.
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  If they they put in Heron, whoever does the hatara.
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  So the law, the law Hatara, the hatara and and then they
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  depending on the case, you could even make a third herm and
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  anyone who does atara for the herm is also in herm again.
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  Basically you did your echre herm and you made two kharamim
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  not to put not to do atara at sofa olam or as many times as
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  you keep saying, you know the next the next well, the next one
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  it does. You know atara on this one is
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  going to get put in herm. You keep going or you see the
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  heiml olam. So then you atiru tehila theorem
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  Akron shekhrimo Shalola hatir. So again you can do a taras
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  nadarim. You just go to the last theorem
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  and work your way backwards. The taz points out I don't think
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  anyone argues that Verity quotes him that it depends on the word.
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  If you know, you just put in one one theorem for anyone who does
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  a taras nadarim. So you just have to do 1 Ataras
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  Nadarim for the second theorem, not to do Hatara, and then for
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  the Ikra theorem. But if you're going to have a
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  whole stack of kharamim one on top of the other, so for each
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  one you have to do a separate hatara because they're separate
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  and you have to just work your way backwards.
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  If you actually make 3 actual kharamim, then you have to do 3
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  Ataras Nadarim working your way backwards.
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  If you just use the words Bahrain la olam, then that's
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  considered one theorem and you only have to do 1 Atara on that
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  the fame of Olympics. And once you remove all the
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  other layers of Haramin, then you get to the Edgar theorem and
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  then you could be mature. OK, next case Haga me Shanishpa
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  Adavar Echal. First it makes a Shibuya and
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  then he says like this and if I'm going to be if we're going
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  to do Hataris Nadarian, I'm not going to be Jewish anymore.
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  That's what he says. So it doesn't really work.
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  Obviously you're going to remain Jewish.
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  But he tied himself to break the doing Hataris Nadarian to Kiilo
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  calling himself a non Jew. I don't know if he meant not to.
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  It's a little unclear if he meant not to be from anymore,
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  but whatever. That's the that's the lotion.
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  Presumably any variation of it would be us or Lisha al Nidro.
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  It's assert for the Hakamim and for him to do ataras nadarim on
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  this, right, because we learned before.
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  I think we're going to see it here.
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  We don't do ataras andarim on an avera, the shock point.
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  So anytime there's a needle da Vera involved, then we're not
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  going to do ataris nadaram that we saw before.
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  So this is just OK. An example of case.
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  But filou initial Allah, if a person actually did ataris
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  nadaram when they weren't supposed to, but we learned it
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  works Vidyevit, it works. But you should tell them.
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  You should tell them that you know that's inappropriate what
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  you just did. Don't do this again.
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  It's already kapara uslika and you need to get a kapara and
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  slika for tying your nether to to not being from or calling
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  yourself an Amy Ugudi Vedaf Dabiki I governor in
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  Mahathirolo. Now, the only time you're not
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  supposed to do this is if you made a real nether and you tied
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  it or a shibua and you tied it to doing a Nino da Vera.
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  So let's see how that's let's see how that plays out when it
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  when it is mutter about Imamar IMA said of our Ploni LOI.
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  Yeah, Yehudi. So here there's no real lashon
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  of a Shibuya Arneta. And as the shock puts it,
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  there's no Shibuya. Look, you know, you're not even
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  a yacht. This is not the lashon of a
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  Shibuya. So you don't have to worry about
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  it, obviously. Well, let's keep reading.
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  So if a person says if I'm going to, if I'm going to do
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  something, I'm not going to be Jewish, OK, it's not
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  appropriate. But it's not a real neither that
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  you need a Tara for if you had Tara.
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  Hector ain't not sorry whom we call Makon, merely Zelotopasa,
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  but must have obviously this is not appropriate.
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  What he just did Misha Nishba and we should give him for
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  speaking like this. But yeah, I don't know.
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  Hey, ASA. If a person made himself assert
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  to him a certain food, if I do something, he's trying to
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  encourage himself not to do something.
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  The Amar Shihei Isura behold palm, the palm Shisha.
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  This is Shiahu Allah palm. And then he says, but if I am,
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  if I am one second and and he says even though I so I said I
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  make something usser if I do something and then he makes it
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  more powerful to give it more encouragement.
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  And even if I try and do Ataras and Darian, the the nether is
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  still going to play me in in place, still going to be usser
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  for me. I'm not going to it's not going
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  to go away. No matter how many times I do an
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  Ataras and Darian, it's always going to be usser doesn't matter
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  Yetira lo palm ravos komoshi sharo.
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  The amount of times that he said that it's going to he's it's
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  still going to be a no matter for every time he kept saying
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  it's still going to be us, Sir. It's still going to be us, Sir,
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  even though I do a Tarnas and Darin.
• 21:08
  So you need to do a tarnas and Darin for all those times you do
• 21:11
  a separate Tarnas and for all those times.
• 21:12
  But again, if you just said the Kulam, the olam, that's just
• 21:16
  then you just have to do it once.
• 21:18
  The thing, the whole palm, the palm the Oh yeah, tira lo a
• 21:20
  masha Amar vahema olam. And so too, if you right, that's
• 21:24
  what I just said. You just have to you need A1
• 21:27
  hatara for one vahema OA. OK, but Inishba person makes a
• 21:36
  Shiva and then and he puts a tanai in there that he's not
• 21:40
  able to Ella plonio ploni shahimba erex nerhaki and he did
• 21:47
  it on purpose. He wanted to make it hard out on
• 21:49
  purpose. Doesn't matter.
• 21:50
  He he said the only two people in the world that can do atara
• 21:53
  sundarium are these two people and they live in another country
• 21:56
  and good luck. So then it doesn't matter you
• 21:58
  Kareta also tonight. So The Tonight is is binding.
• 22:03
  But you can do karata on The Tonight, you can do the tirola
• 22:06
  on clearing. And so anybody in the local land
• 22:09
  can do you get based in a few people.
• 22:11
  You do Atara on that tonight. That's our class.
• 22:15
  You're terrible affair mother version Ishwar.
• 22:17
  And then you do the actual hotel on the main item.