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Hocus Pocus (1993) · The Art of Costume Podcast

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He is very 90s, California in this first scene and the script
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called for him to be wearing a tie dye shirt.
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But other than that, the director was like on, it's up to
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you. And Mary was like funny, like I
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don't know what anyone's wearing, but he's wearing
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tie-dye. That's all.
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We think maybe glass and thou art Spencer Williams.
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Hello Elizabeth. Hello Spencer.
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How does South fair this day? Dallas.
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Feeleth very fine. Oh good, good.
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Yeah, that talking like that gets complicated.
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How does he like effectively communicate back in the day?
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I don't know, but I really like admire it.
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You know, if I could choose my language that's how it sound but
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Old English. Yeah, I want to speak really
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proper Old English for the rest of my life.
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Do they have like a language app?
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You know like Babble or something that teaches Old
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English? Like I've mastered new English,
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it's time to work on Old English, only eglish Middle
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English. There's a couple others.
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Spencer, I'm good. You know, it's spooky.
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Season is almost here. I'm feeling it.
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It's time. I know I know.
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I'm like God I get started on those costumes.
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Gotta figure out what I'm doing. Yeah I already know what I'm
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doing. Very excited.
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Lucky you. I think I'm going to be DJing a
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Halloween event this year again, so I need to start working on
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that. Love coming up with some spooky
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Vibes for the kids. You know I literally don't know
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what I'm doing this year because I'm visiting you at the
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beginning of October at the end of October by the time this
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episode comes out is probably like clothes.
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Yeah, it's probably next week. Honestly, we're going to see
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Florence and the Machine. I'm very excited.
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What else should we do? Okay, fit a museum and Academy
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Museum that's what I was gonna say.
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I'm also like, should we go to Horror Nights?
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No, goodbye, Daniel. I'm ending this podcast.
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I gotta go. Wow, that rejection was way
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quicker than I thought. It was gonna be.
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Um, just don't like the deal. I cannot do or nighttime.
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So, now that we're talking about this, I'm so scared of Horror
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Nights. You know, how chunky Yeah, I am
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too but don't are they gonna have like a whole?
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Nope. Thing that's very round.
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You don't have to go four more miles.
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Yeah. We could go for the daytime for
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that. Discuss this further.
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Yeah. If you go to Horror Nights, take
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a Visa should be more than happy to go with you.
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I'll drive you. Okay.
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I'll be like your mom and the minivan.
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If he gets up at 8:00, you'll You'll you'll come with us and
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we'll like spend the whole day at Universal and then when it's
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time for Horror Nights you'll just peace out.
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You'll probably get yourself a really nice dinner.
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Go see like a movie or two and then like, okay I love this idea
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CityWalk, they have the Cinnabon, they have the theater
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right there. You would have a grand night
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waiting for us to get out of her night.
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I actually love this idea. It'd be, like, midnight.
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I'm like drunk at Margaritaville.
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You're like, you need me to pick you up, so I can drive anymore.
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You have never been. Actually, since we have the time
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we talked about the Van Helsing incident, a universal.
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Yeah, like The Walking Dead incident where y'all made me go
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on that. Walking Dead ride me being one
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of the biggest Walking Dead fans out there and still has like no
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no speaking of Walking Dead. Spencer what should we watch
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this week? Not The Walking Dead.
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We watched Hocus, Pocus. I guess he relates watch
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hocus-pocus. I'll tell you later how Hocus
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Pocus and The Walking Dead relate.
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Oh, you know already. Oh yeah.
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Yeah. I dunno.
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I dunno. It's a good.
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Think it was a real hard transition by got it.
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Now I was I was, I was like, there's no way he doesn't know.
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The little girl is also in Walking Dead.
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Now I do know that I remember when I saw The Walking Dead came
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out. I was like, what the hell?
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Who is that? And I was just like, looking at
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her. I was like, who are you?
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I know you from somewhere and then it hit me.
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Yeah, that's hilarious. But well connections, they all
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X, right? I love this movie.
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It's so, this is another one. I didn't see till I was older,
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and it's just so much fun. I, it's funny.
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That's what I was going to tell you two.
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I've, I didn't see his movie toes older, like, in college,
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which is insane. I'm sure we watched it together
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for the first time. So, I feel like, I assaulted in
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college, too. And last night, was the first
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time where I've seen it all the way through without like,
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stomping. Oh, really.
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Yeah, like, I've Email, entire movie.
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But like for some reason, I always fall asleep at the end or
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I missed the beginning. This time, I actually watch it
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all the way to the end because I didn't really remember how the
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film ended. I know everyone listening is
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like, oh my gosh, I hate this guy.
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Well, with that said, do you want to give us a summary?
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Sure, to thread the Suffering, The Children of Salem aren't
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safe when Max the virgin. Wittingly resurrects, the
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Sanderson sisters and that is Hocus Pocus.
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That is Hocus. Pocus you haven't seen it.
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It's on Disney. Plus it is.
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Go watch it. Watch it with your children.
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Watch it, your niece or nephew? Watch it with your little
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brother or sister. Watch it by yourself and have
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like a really nice cocktail with it because I kind of feel like
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this is a good movie to like, have drink.
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He drinks with hmm. Like some drink.
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It's called like witches, brew and it has like, vodka and
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tequila. And I just had a knife in it
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flashback to the Sweet Child Manner, and somebody made a
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witches, brew, I think it was Brandon.
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Yeah, I don't remember a lot. It was the drink was neon green?
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Yes. Yeah.
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I remembered that night. But like very fuzzy, very fuzzy.
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It's a fuzzy night, it's a fuzzy like only because of the witches
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brew, because I really would like, for money.
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Remember the rest of the night wasn't particularly like wild or
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anything? Yeah.
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It's just like that. Drink was like strong and there
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was a lot of it so that's like all we were drinking is because
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we played that game. King's Cup that's ever had a
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game goes by every time you lie clues or something you have to
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like take a drink. Yeah, we very rapidly.
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Just like spiraling into the abyss with we did.
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We did I actually I had flashbacks to that night a
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couple days ago because I was a couple of my coworkers are
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moving away. So we had like a going away
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party, for them at someone's house and they were I was about
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to leave so I was like no thank you.
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But they were playing King's Cup watching them play.
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Kings cabin. I was like, y'all have a good
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time with that, like, I get out of here.
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Anyways, but the hocus-pocus going behind the Wardrobe.
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We have director, Kenny Ortega and Casta designer.
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Mary E vote Spencer has an icon, an absolute icon known for
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Batman Returns Men In Black Inspector Gadget, Men in Black
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2, Looney Tunes, Back in Action. Son of the Mask.
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Fantastic Four, Rise of the Silver Surfer.
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Men in Black 3 and Kong Skull Island and crazy Rich Asians see
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what off of crazy Rich Asians she did.
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I think we need to do that next season but we'll talk about that
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later. Yeah but thankfully she's done
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like quite a few interviews about Hocus Pocus which I wasn't
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prepared. For I was prepared for this to
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be like a zero research episode, right?
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But she's because it's such like a classic.
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She's done quite a few interviews and she didn't
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interview at d23. And she was asked like, oh, how
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did you get this job in the first place?
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And she doesn't remember details.
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She's like, I don't know, but she remembered enough when
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talking to glamour about Search for hocus-pocus.
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She said, I looked at a lot of storybook references Arthur
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Rackham. Who is a story book illustrator?
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I really like I used a lot of his stuff and Guana a Spanish
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artist. Did a series called lows Capra
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cose which are really creepy Spanish Inquisition drawings.
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My inspiration was a combination of fairy tales and lost kept
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Rios. I'm like who like don't like I'm
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looking at them and like the fairytale references I kind of
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get the Goya one's not as much. I love it.
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So creepy and it makes a film a little bit edgier.
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I like it right? I really like I really like the
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Goya illustrations. They're beautiful.
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I'm just like how did you like what how did you incorporate
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this? I think it's just looking at
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like the Silhouettes and Just like, yeah, bring it in like
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that Salem. Witch, trial, esque vibe that,
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you know, I'm in love with. Yeah, that's very beautiful.
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I would love some of these prints, right, right.
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Mary and talking about the Salem Witch Trials, Mary really did
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her research. She said to d23, I read many
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books about Salem. Massachusetts in the time of our
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story, I even read Diaries of women who were hanged as
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witches. I went on to read fairy tales
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and that is where the are real inspiration for the story came
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from those like she did her research like for a movie, where
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it seems like what you need to do is fairly straightforward.
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She was like, no I'm going to make this special.
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Yeah, I mean people think like, you know it's just like some
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Disney Channel original movie. It's not.
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I mean, there's some real people behind it, who take their jobs,
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very seriously, and a costume designer is one of Them and this
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got a theatrical release. The did it.
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Yeah, that's good. Yeah yeah we'll talk about later
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but yeah. She looked like she was on it
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and Spencer after a little break.
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E-brake are you ready to jump into it?
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I'm so ready. I've Loved this movie and
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there's so many great costumes. Let's do it.
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Are you ready to take a little trip?
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A trip to Salem? I'm always, I'm actually been to
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Salem. I'm obsessed with like The Witch
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Trials. It's one of my favorite things.
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Like read about all the history. So this is fun.
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I love it. I've been to Salem to me and my
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sister took like a short little trip.
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Our last year, when I went up to visit her, and I want to go
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back. I'm gonna go back with like, you
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and Abby. Shh, oh, that'd be fun like us,
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have like a Spooky Cut in the offseason though, right.
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I want to go like, when everybody's like there to be a
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witchy are like I want. Yeah.
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Even like we went in August and it was kind of like starting to
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like get there. I think I went during a, ya
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think it might have been like, July August or September when I
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Went. And it was like it was like kind
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of turned into fall is pretty busy.
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It's it is kind of like very touristy but like there are some
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of the cool Parts like I walked around in a graveyards, a little
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bit, you know. Yeah, edgy, yeah.
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Well, we'll have to plan a trip there.
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Well, it's really a trip there. Let's do it.
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But backery played by Sean Murray doesn't need to plan a
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trip there. He lives there in the 1600's.
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I love it. It is.
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I do love thackeray's off of it. First of all, I love those names
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Factory. Zachary right.
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This look though to me, does like read like that time period
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of the Salem Witch Trials, like clearly costume designer.
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Mary really did her Research into his look.
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She did the this first like these first couple scenes with
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all the, you know, residents of Salem his sister, very
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period-appropriate in comparison to the Sanderson sisters, who
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They're very camped up. I feel like a winifred's.
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Look, it's like more campy compared to like Sarah Jessica
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Parker's look like, if Sarah Jessica Parker was on her own, I
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would be like oh that's kind of period-appropriate but when the
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the combination of the three like okay this is crazy.
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It's just really neat Camp. It absolutely is.
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And first off we have Winifred played by Bette Midler who is
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just incredible and Mary talk. A lot to glamour about
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winifred's. Look, she said Kenny was great
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because a lot of directors, they don't want to do anything to
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weirder outrageous but not with Kenny.
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When I talked to him about my vision for bet, I said you can't
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put her in some black outfit. You have to put her in something
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that's colorful and fun, and has a little Sparkle to it.
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So when I did sketches and talk to Kenny about it, he responded.
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Added. Now, let me talk to bet because
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this might not be what she was thinking of.
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So, he talked to bet who said, well, of course, I'm not going
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to wear some black dress, that's very badly.
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Absolutely lives on, this is not some black dress.
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No, no, any way, shape, or form, I love it.
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It has like, like dark green to it.
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Both some purple and gold. It does have like a sparkle but
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also like the Fabrics, feel very Old and vintage e as well like
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clearly. They've just become like
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slumping around this witch's Hut for.
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Who knows how long wonderful? It's wonderful.
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And she has these great, like, symbols on her dress, which Mary
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also talked about to glamour. She said symbols are always
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tricky to do because you don't want to accidentally use some
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ancient symbol that's evil. So we did the symbols on her
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robe from The Rue now, Alphabet, and some from Stonehenge.
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And then we added a line here and there to make sure they were
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unrecognizable almost like crop circles.
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It's like cheating on your ancient symbols test and like,
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I'm just drawing you. There you go, throw him off the
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trail. It's almost it's like they were
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afraid of like, copyright infringement.
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Yeah, he talked about this at d23 to, she was like, yeah, it
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was Basically just, you know, crop circles and it runes she
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was like you can't get more simple than that line here
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there. But Miller just kills this role.
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I mean she is so funny from beginning to end.
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She's she's one of the best parts of this movie if not the
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best part. Yeah them together are just
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incredible. We have Kathleen as Jamie as
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Mary who is an underrated character But I have to say, and
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when Mary was talking to glamour, she talked about
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Mary's. Look she said, Kathy was more
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like an alchemist, the one who was always mixing the potions so
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she looked like the cook which she was busy doing doing things.
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Her outfit was meant to look like a witch Baker.
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Wow, that makes so much sense like after all these years like
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seeing that quote that makes 100% sense.
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Yeah. Because she's able to roll her
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sleeves up and like get down and dirty with her Pooch.
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Right? And it's like, I love these
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costumes because they're all so unique but these are all silk
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costumes. Wow.
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For the most part, they the majority of these Fabrics are
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silks and she talked about making the witches costumes at
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d23. She said, Mary Marietta Lang was
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a textile artist. And at one point, she's asked
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about Bette Midler's costume. And the person's like, how many
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layers are in that because it is quite voluminous.
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And she said that Marietta did primitive pleading on the
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costume that she had learned working on the hold Dune movie,
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which apparently Mary vote was like an assistant designer for,
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wow. Oh my God, it's Dune connected
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to everything we do now. Hey, I think so.
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I think, so. And then also, because
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apparently with Disney, you have a very fixed budget.
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She was like this, this is the first time I was not allowed to
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go over budget for a movie. So there were like, well, how
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are we going to make these? So they reached out to the San
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Francisco, Opera's costume shop, Jenny green who ran it was like,
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yeah, we'll make those for you because apparently Opera costume
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shops will just take on work in between Productions.
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Yeah, so they don't have to shut it down.
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Yeah. Whatever way we got nothing to
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do. Yeah.
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That's what that's part of how they became so theatrical.
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Yeah, man, last but not least, we have Sarah Jessica, Parker as
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Sarah, who Mary said to glamour, Sarah played.
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The little beauty queen. She was more like a sleeping
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beauty princess That's what I was going with more like a witch
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princess. Yeah, I mean 100%, it's so good.
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SJP looks so good. Like she she does look like she
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looks like the edgy kind of girl and like the Salem Town who
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everyone would be like oh she's definitely the which you know,
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she's definitely wish it but she was also like the pretty one
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that like all the. All the boys were like she might
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be a witch but she could just be high.
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Hi-yah and now she do, it's nice but she definitely took
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inspiration from the Sleeping Beauty movie and Aurora the
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princess for her. Look, which I'm always like, I
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always looked at this and thought, like, it was familiar
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in some way and now that I know that I'm like, oh yeah, this was
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inspired by Sleeping Beauty. It's really cool.
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Yeah, it's almost like the exact same silhouette when you
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compared them next to each other.
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Yeah, And she was also asked about because they do a lot of
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flying in this. Oh, she was asked at d23 like
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what did you do like about the harnesses and she said the
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harnesses back, then were like absolutely terrible.
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They were just like these like scratchy, like pants with like
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Hooks and stuff, but that, like none of them ever complained and
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like, they all got quite comfortable with it.
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Apparently, Sarah would just like take her like she was like,
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oh just leave me up here during my break.
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I'll just like reading A newspaper.
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Like, but she made this really funny comment that apparently,
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Cirque du Soleil way has made harnesses, like better.
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So now I feel like I have to do research into like, how Cirque
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du Soleil has like upped the harness game, apparently, cuz
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I'm like, I would not have this, like, it makes sense, but also
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like would not have expected Cirque du Soleil to be like
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innovating harness technology. Makes sense to me.
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They got to keep their people alive.
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Yeah, the fuck are you? Well, that's true.
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I was just surprised. I was like, oh what?
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I love all the Sanderson sisters though, I've actually seen their
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costumes in person before Alex a bit lucky and they're just as
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beautiful in person. If not more, they're just like
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all the details there. The Fabrics are just very rich.
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Beautiful, the colors are, right?
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I just love them so much. I love them as well.
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And we have have more costumes to love coming up after our
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break. Spencer, I can't wait.
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Another glorious morning makes me sick.
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Wow! What is that?
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Life is so good. I love it.
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I just relate to Winifred not so much who I don't really.
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Late to I mean I guess a little but you're both California boys.
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He's so annoying for Max. He's just a kid Spencer.
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I know I know but the first half of this film he's so cringy but
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yeah as a fellow California guy, I get it Max's rain.
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His cool tie. They that he probably.
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Where's my go skating and Venice bra.
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Yeah, I have. A hairstyle long sleeves black
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shirt underneath. I get it, bro.
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He is very 90s. California in this first scene
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and the script called for him to be wearing a tie dye shirt.
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But other than that, the director was like, yeah, it's up
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to you. And Mary was like funny, like I
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don't know what anyone's wearing, but he's wearing
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tie-dye. That's the only tie dye.
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You figure out the Arrest, Mary. She was like, well, we have all
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this died left over from this Anderson sister costumes.
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So, let's just use those colors to make his tie-dye T-shirt.
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Wow. So it's like a little, like,
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hint to what's about to come because he has every color of
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the Sanderson sisters. That's crazy.
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Sure, isn't that wild? Look at it, too.
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It's like there's a green from winning Fred.
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There's like the red from Kathy's character and which is
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also kind of like Sarah Jessica Parker to The purple as well.
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Yeah, so cool. I'm obsessed with the shirt now,
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right? I love it.
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I also love Danny Thora Birch. She's so cute in this.
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Danny has one of the greatest costumes in the film, actually.
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It's like a actually reminds me of you in a way.
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Like, we're has like this kind of like, it's like almost
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antique looking, but it's also like, very, beautiful and
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delicate with like, the sun on it.
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It's, it's like, if Very cute. Witch costume.
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Absolutely. And I like that.
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It looks very like homemade like her mom helped her like rummage
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through her closet. And like was like, okay, you're
26:38
going to wear this this and this, I'll buy you a hat and
26:41
you're gonna have a great time and Mary said, a about Danny's
26:47
character, you think, other girls had a big personalities
26:52
Thora was the sunshine. She was little, but she burst
26:56
onto the scene. Her costume was supposed to look
27:00
like her mother made it, but I wanted it to be bright in color
27:05
so that you can see her amongst the other witches.
27:09
Oh, I love that. I mean it's perfect.
27:12
That's exactly what the costume said and like I feel like it
27:15
really matched like the actress who wore it.
27:17
Thorugh. Whoo.
27:18
Yeah as we talked about earlier and she was just in Walking
27:21
Dead. Not too hot.
27:22
I wasn't there long. If you catch what I'm saying
27:26
though. Hmm.
27:28
Yeah. But she's she's so cute.
27:30
She looks cute. I love her that they wanted it
27:33
to look homemade because some characters do definitely do not
27:38
have homemade costume. We Have Allison played by
27:43
Vinessa Shaw and I gotta say, I loved her parents outrageous
27:49
like their size. I party, I know having having
27:53
just watched Marie Antoinette with you, and like, I want to go
27:56
to this party. Right, right.
27:59
She's wearing this like very elaborate, like 1700s down.
28:05
And then I was like, yeah, let's go to the witch's Hut and I like
28:09
that. She kept like the same colors,
28:10
because she has this great, like, cream like whitish top
28:14
with, like this beige sweater. Yeah, and this like, this is a
28:19
look, I was like, oh, this is very current right now, right?
28:21
Current. This is going to be like free
28:23
people, you know, like yeah, free people made.
28:27
Well, Well bye. It reminds me of a certain
28:30
someone who I won't bring up who but absolutely agree.
28:36
It's like sweater Vibes, you know?
28:38
Yes. Now this is east coast to a tee.
28:42
What is not East Coast to a tee is Billy, but you're a saint
28:46
played by our favorite character actor.
28:49
Doug, Jones, Doug Jones, kills his role.
28:53
As this is, like, one of his like first, I think, like
28:56
character spots. Going to fact-check that.
29:00
But it was definitely an early in early 15 million early one.
29:05
Yeah. And a strange thing about his
29:08
costume is it's not actually period appropriate to the time
29:13
period in which he was supposed to have died.
29:16
But it created the emotional response Mary wanted in the
29:21
character, right? And she talked to Vogue a little
29:24
bit about her inspiration for him.
29:27
She said, Said, Billy Burke Richardson.
29:31
Oh my God, one of the childhood stories.
29:34
I always liked, was that of Ichabod Crane from this, from
29:38
The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, and that's what that character
29:42
reminded me of. So, his costume is very much
29:45
like a black and white drawing. I had of Ichabod Crane in an old
29:49
children's story book. It was the 17th century coat and
29:53
boots, which I like as soon as she said that I was like,
29:57
absolutely, this is it. By crane alive.
30:00
Yeah it makes so much sense and she said it's not pure to
30:04
appropriate but like that really doesn't like read to me on
30:08
screen. Like if like a made sense to me.
30:11
Yeah it makes total sense for his character and she is right
30:15
as when she said that and I like I look at the date on his Stone
30:18
like this is about 100 years. After the time period like it's
30:26
80 90 years like in the future. His Look from 1693 but like, it
30:33
doesn't matter. He's a zombie.
30:35
Come on, zombie. It says everything.
30:39
You like, you need to know about the zombie, Billy Birch, Orson.
30:45
And I also like it because, like it first, because it's rotting.
30:50
It's all like he's been dead for 300 years, so it's rotting off
30:55
of him. And so, it makes some very scary
30:58
at First, until you find out that, like, he hates the
31:01
Sanderson sisters as much as anybody else.
31:05
And he suddenly turns into this, very cuddly zombie, isn't that
31:11
what we all want at the end of the day?
31:13
Just a cuddly zombie. Yeah.
31:17
It is very antique falling apart.
31:20
So much fun. Is it is we also have a little
31:25
Cameo from Penny and Gary. Sorry, Marshall playing the who
31:32
is just some random guy in a devil costume.
31:35
I love it when it's really a very Exquisite devil costume
31:39
because most people just put on the horns and a pitchfork and
31:41
called today. This is a, this is a whole look
31:45
and I thought Garry Marshall directed this until I did the
31:48
research for her because like, he's like famous for, like, like
31:51
taking a little role in each of his movies or TV shows.
31:55
Yeah. So I like assumed he had
31:58
Directed this because it's very up his alley.
32:02
Although yeah, he'd worked with Disney before but no, he's just
32:06
uncredited on it. He was just in it.
32:08
I don't know why I didn't have time to figure out why he was in
32:11
this. And why Penny Marshall, was in
32:13
this. I was like, why is Laverne in
32:15
this? But I also didn't realize that
32:20
was her until my dad. He's my dad sat down and like he
32:23
was like, I've never seen this before, he's like, yeah, it's
32:25
Laverne. Weird.
32:28
Show me out. It's the weirdest Cameo, but I
32:32
do love his like, he's clearly super into Halloween and she is
32:36
not. I need that devil costume.
32:40
You could pull it off. I could.
32:43
Absolutely. You know what I could pull off?
32:45
Spencer. Oh yes.
32:49
The Madonna bra. You know.
32:51
I love this. Look, this is such a fun look,
32:57
but it was made from two plastic funnels.
33:01
Mary said to bustle, it was supposed to look slightly,
33:04
homemade. I look at that now, and I'm
33:08
embarrassed. It looks so Cheesy gosh.
33:11
Mary I like this is exquisite. Why do it like you know, looks
33:18
like Jean Paul Gautier, made it. Yes.
33:22
And I'm like yeah it was made by like presumably a housewife like
33:26
right? It's fine.
33:27
It looks a little cheesy that like that would be a problem and
33:34
Stephanie Farsi also said to bustle who played the mom.
33:39
She says it boss ASL, I loved dancing around, filming
33:43
Madonna's bra. It was the ultimate Halloween
33:46
outfit at the time. It was the first prop I ever.
33:50
Wanted to steal it will sounds like you could have because Mary
33:54
didn't love it. But yeah, I mean it's true.
33:56
Like at the time like this is what everyone was wearing.
34:01
Oh yeah, that's perfect. It.
34:03
Absolutely was. And it had to be a little cheesy
34:08
and made on the cheap because as Mary Explain to glamour towards
34:13
the end of the film. We shot a big Halloween party
34:17
scene and I had completely run out of money.
34:21
I spent all our money on the witches, Billy butcher, arson,
34:25
and Thora Birch. So there was nothing left.
34:29
Fortunately, I had access to the Walt Disney costume department
34:34
and they had saved the clothes from all the movies they had
34:39
done. I I think that if you paid
34:41
5,000, you could have whatever you want.
34:46
So I went through there and took everything that looked like a
34:49
costume in some movie. They must have had these three
34:54
girls in red sequin dresses. So I said, let's get that will
34:58
ask three women to play The Supremes.
35:01
I had just looked at what costumes they had and created
35:05
characters from what was available.
35:09
I love that. Right?
35:11
And this Hall this costume party is incredible.
35:15
Like I want to go to this costume.
35:16
Party was re-watching as like, wow.
35:19
Look at all the costumes. I noticed the Supremes and just
35:22
like every single person's writing like unique costume,
35:25
like maybe, how did you not save money for this, but it worked
35:28
out, it's absolutely worked out. There.
35:31
Are the pirate costumes from Treasure Island, Maiden ferry
35:35
from The Sword and the rose Viking helmets from the Island
35:40
at the top of the world. She said someone is wearing a
35:44
suit from Tron. When's the TV movie Gypsy
35:51
specifically the red outfits from the, you gotta get a
35:55
gimmick seen. Okay, go back room, watch this.
35:58
I need to find a Tron outfit, right?
36:01
Right. And she said to glamour, if we
36:04
had to create our own stuff, it wouldn't have been as good.
36:08
And since it was a Disney movie, we did Don't worry about the
36:12
rights for things. We did use some Tron things
36:16
which could have been a problem, but I think we used a Tron
36:20
costume with an animal head or something and turned out to be
36:23
great. Well, we're go perfectly because
36:27
it is is perfect, top-tier costuming the following scene so
36:31
it clearly worked out it. Clearly worked out.
36:34
It's so funny when she's talking about this at d23, she was like,
36:38
yeah. She was like movies, it's like
36:40
you You just go over budget. That's just what it is.
36:43
Except I Disney. She was like it was the first
36:46
time I'd ask for more money and they said tough like you don't
36:50
get any more, don't mess up the mouth, you don't mess with the
36:54
mouth. I have to say like one of my
36:57
favorite costumes in the movie are the skeleton band costumes?
37:03
Like they're so cool. They're so because I feel like
37:06
skeletons at Halloween, they're either extremely scary or
37:09
extremely Yuffie. And these guys are just cool.
37:13
Yeah, they're cool. It's like the perfect like
37:15
Voodoo type band. I also love the dad and a
37:18
Dracula costume that's just like Peaks.
37:22
Dad costuming. Like, yeah.
37:24
What is he going to? Of course, like a Cheesy
37:26
Dracula. Got State, you know?
37:29
Yes. And it's like he probably works
37:31
the same thing every year. It's like a pirate costume.
37:35
Yeah. Oh, so when this came out, it
37:40
didn't do so well. Mary said to Glamour, the thing
37:44
is, when the movie first came out, it was not successful.
37:48
I remember, I went to one of the early screenings, when the
37:52
studio people were there, when the cat dies in the film, all
37:56
the little kids started crying. So, the studio people were like,
38:00
oh my, this movie makes kids cry.
38:03
Forget it. I don't think the studio was
38:06
behind it, but when it got on television, a younger
38:09
generation, Of people started to watch it and like it.
38:13
And then it had a life which was at least five years after the
38:17
movie came out. That's so typical.
38:20
It's so typical. Like now you said like oh I saw
38:23
these costumes, you saw them in, you know, an exhibition, I'm
38:26
sure right. But as Mary explain to game to
38:30
glamour. Now Studios, keep everything.
38:33
They have their archives and keep absolutely everything that
38:36
the time it was different. I think the real Hook is Pocus
38:40
costume. Tombs people would rent them all
38:42
the time so they could get money out of them.
38:47
But then when the movie got more popular, they stopped.
38:50
I've seen photos of the real costumes and they actually look
38:54
like they're in pretty good shape even though they were
38:57
rented out for years. My gosh.
39:00
No, I hate. But yes, they are in pretty good
39:04
shape for. You would not know that people
39:06
were renting them, but I have never heard that in my life.
39:11
She said like at d23 she was talking about this more and she
39:17
was like she gots kind of confused because it came out.
39:20
It was not a hit at all. It just wasn't right and she was
39:26
like okay whatever and she went on and then she was like I
39:29
started getting calls and like letters and stuff because it's
39:32
the 90s and high school. Like middle school, high school
39:36
theater, programs wanted, excuse me and like local theater
39:40
wanted. You know, how she made the
39:41
costumes because they were doing like a play of Hocus Pocus.
39:45
And she's like, I kept getting, like interest in this and even
39:48
though like it hadn't done, well, she was like, I just did a
39:51
Batman film like nobody's calling me about that.
39:56
She was confused. But she loves the fact that it's
39:59
had a, a second life. And I was like I already knew
40:03
she wasn't coming back for the sequel.
40:06
So I was like really confused about that and I was like, well
40:09
I was watching her View from the d23.
40:13
So it was a couple years ago, I think before they announced that
40:17
they were doing a movie and someone asked her like, oh, what
40:20
do you want to go back for a sequel?
40:22
And she said, absolutely not really.
40:25
She said she does not like SQL. She's like I don't even like
40:29
doing reshoots. Wow.
40:32
She's like it's sad and like I did the work I wanted to and I
40:36
she's just not interested in doing it.
40:38
I was like that explains why she's not doing that.
40:40
New film. I was kind of surprised too when
40:42
I found out but that makes sense.
40:44
If you don't want to do it, you don't want to do it.
40:46
Yeah. But you know, Salvador, Perez is
40:49
doing a costumes for the necklace, incredible.
40:52
Yeah, I'm very excited to see that.
40:54
I'm, we're going to have to talk about that film when it comes
40:57
out Raven speak to Salvador. Because we know done that, I
40:59
would love to do that. Yes, I would be great to talk to
41:02
him. And with that Elizabeth, we are
41:05
at the end of Hocus, Pocus just like that, we are.
41:10
We Our. I'm like, I'm so excited to
41:14
watch this movie again, like, during Halloween Halloween.
41:20
I'm like, I'm watching this again.
41:21
I have like a list of, like, movie Halloween movies and I'm
41:25
like, I gotta watch this during the month of October.
41:28
And this is on the list again, to me, feel like I got out of
41:31
the way, you know, I watch it every October.
41:34
So now we cleared some space for something else, but I love this
41:39
movie, And I'm ready to play our favorite game and figure out
41:43
what her one costume to rule them all is hit Daniel the one
41:50
costume to rule them all. Elizabeth.
41:57
Why don't you go first? All right, so there, I was going
42:00
back and forth. I was going back and forth
42:04
because that nibblers costume is so iconic, right?
42:08
However, I love Philly butcher Orson.
42:13
I love like the story behind his costume.
42:17
I love cuz like, really this movie, it's about just like the
42:22
wildness of it, right? So like, I love that.
42:25
She's like, this is Ichabod Crane No, it's not
42:27
period-appropriate, that doesn't matter.
42:30
This creates the character that he needs to be.
42:34
So that's what's happening. And I just, I love that.
42:38
Yeah, 100%, I like it. And I love just like, how broken
42:42
down a costume is how decayed. That's like a really cool
42:48
costume design technique. That's not easy to do with
42:51
something like this. Make it look so frayed.
42:53
Yeah. To really make it look like it's
42:55
been around for 300. Here's my look, I've actually
43:01
been going back and forth and I'm changing mine.
43:05
I was originally going to pick Sarah Jessica Parker's like but
43:08
I think you're going to go if winifred's look because hey he
43:12
really convinced me with the runes and the back that right
43:16
taking like actual runes and just kind of like changing it
43:20
here and there then turning them in the crop circle in case of
43:24
copyright infringement. I just love that.
43:29
It's just such a fun. Detailed look in a colors are so
43:32
beautiful. However, I will say though when
43:36
you brought up that tie-dye shirt and how represents all the
43:38
saints and sisters, right? Click that sort of way up on the
43:42
list for me. Like, dare I say that's like
43:45
number two and yeah, I don't really like that character, but
43:48
that shirt is it? I I like I started the slides
43:53
before I watch the movie again and I put it in and this was
43:56
also before I had sourced the articles but I hadn't hadn't
44:00
read any of them yet. And I was like, I'll probably
44:02
take this tie-dyed t-shirt out, like I wasn't expecting there to
44:05
be anything special about it and then I was like, oh my gosh,
44:08
that's incredible. Yeah, I love that.
44:10
That's a great behind the words of effect and if that I love
44:15
this film it was so fun watching it and I can't wait for the new
44:19
one coming out like probably weeks from now if it's not out
44:22
yet. I know, I know the new movie is
44:26
coming Out just in time for Halloween and Spencer.
44:31
We also have something coming out just in time for Halloween
44:35
next week you have quite the surprise guest for us.
44:39
Yeah I'm so excited Elizabeth next week, we are traveling to a
44:45
place. We've never been to before on
44:47
this podcast. We are going to the upside down
44:50
and talking about one of my favorite shows.
44:53
Stranger things. Yay.
44:56
I'm so excited for you, Spencer come with me, Elizabeth, I hear
45:01
things are nice, this time of year, and upside down.
45:05
I have a couple seasons of The Upside down to catch up on
45:08
before I do that. But Spencer, you got quite an
45:13
exciting guest for us next week. Yeah, Elizabeth might not be
45:17
joining me, but I have someone cool.
45:19
He'll be here. I want to say instead because
45:22
I'll obviously miss you Elizabeth but I, obviously, It's
45:27
going to be cool. So I hope everyone joins next
45:30
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45:31
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46:04
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46:09
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46:12
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