Latest / Investor Exchange / Frasers Logistics & Commercial Trust FY2025 — Revenue’s Up… So Why Are Payouts Down?
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:08Welcome back to The Deep Dive. Today, we are digging into a major global property
- 0:12player, Fraser's Logistics and Commercial Trust, or FLCT.
- 0:17And we've been going through their full year 2025 financials.
- 0:21So our mission for you, the listener, is to really get under the hood and understand
- 0:26what feels like a very complex story this year. It is.
- 0:29I think the best way to put it is there's a huge disconnect,
- 0:32a disconnect between how well their actual buildings are doing and what investors
- 0:37are actually getting in their pockets.
- 0:38Okay, so lay out that contradiction for us. What are the headline numbers?
- 0:42Well, on one hand, the operation looks healthy. Revenue was up 5.6%,
- 0:46which is solid, came in at about $471 million, the Singapore dollars. Okay, good start.
- 0:51And their net property income, the NPI, that also rose by 1.9% to $326 million.
- 0:58So the core business, it seems to be performing. So if revenue's up and property
- 1:02income is up, where's the problem? The problem is the distribution,
- 1:06the amount that actually gets paid out.
- 1:07The total distribution per unit, the DPU, it fell.
- 1:10And it didn't just fall, it plummeted by 12.5 percent.
- 1:13Landed at 5.95 Singapore cents.
- 1:16So you've got this growing top line, but a bottom line for investors that's
- 1:19shrinking fast. That's the puzzle we need to solve. A double digit drop in returns.
- 1:24OK, that's a serious disconnect. Let's start with the good news then.
- 1:27Where did that MPI growth actually come from? A lot of it was driven by acquisitions,
- 1:32which is, you know, part of their strategy.
- 1:34We saw a full year's worth of income from four logistics properties in Germany
- 1:39they bought back in early 2024.
- 1:41So that gave them a nice foundational boost. Exactly.
- 1:45And then they brought new assets online, too. A property in Maastricht in the
- 1:49Netherlands was completed in October, so that started bringing in cash.
- 1:52And didn't they make a big move in Singapore? They did.
- 1:55Their first big entry into Singapore Logistics with a property at Tutua Southlink.
- 1:59That, plus some better performance from their UK business parks,
- 2:03is what pushed that NPI number up.
- 2:05Okay, but before we get to the pain, there was one number in the report that
- 2:09just jumped off the page at me. Total return before tax was up.
- 2:12What was it? 42.5%. An incredible number. $248.4 million.
- 2:18That sounds amazing for the balance sheet.
- 2:21But if the DPU fell that hard, there has to be a catch, right?
- 2:24That can't be cash. You're exactly right. That's where you have to look past the headline number.
- 2:28That huge surge was almost entirely driven by a non-cash item.
- 2:33Let me guess, property valuations. Exactly.
- 2:35A net fair value gain on their investment properties of about $37 million.
- 2:40Ah, so last year they probably had a loss. A big one.
- 2:44In 2024, they booked a $40.8 million fair value loss.
- 2:50You have this huge S-77 million swing from a big loss to a decent gain.
- 2:55That's what drove the total return number. It's a good sign for the health of
- 2:58the assets, for sure, but it doesn't pay the bills.
- 3:01It doesn't put cash in the distribution pool. Right. That's a critical distinction.
- 3:05Real cash versus accounting gains.
- 3:07Okay, so let's pivot to the pain point. If operations were growing and valuations
- 3:11were stabilizing, what on earth was powerful enough to wipe all that out and cut the DPU by 12.5%?
- 3:18The villain of the story is, without a doubt, higher interest rates.
- 3:21It all comes down to a massive surge in their finance costs.
- 3:24The single biggest factor.
- 3:25By far. It completely undermined everything else. So just how bad was that increase?
- 3:29Finance costs jumped by a snaggering 26.4% in one year.
- 3:3626%. Wow. And it wasn't just the market rates going up. It was a double whammy.
- 3:41They were refinancing old debt at these new higher rates, and they were taking
- 3:45on new debt to pay for all those acquisitions we just talked about.
- 3:48So they were essentially forced
- 3:49to borrow at the peak of the rate cycle to fund their growth strategy.
- 3:54Precisely. The long-term strategy might be sound, but the short-term cost is
- 3:58incredibly painful for unit holders.
- 4:01Their average cost of debt for the year went up to 3.1% from 2.8%.
- 4:05It might not sound like a lot, but on billions of dollars in debt, it chews up cash flow.
- 4:10And were there other pressures or was it all just interest rates?
- 4:13It was a bit of a multi-front assault, really.
- 4:15Their tax bill went up significantly by over $12 million.
- 4:19And they had some internal issues, too. In the commercial portfolio, I'm guessing? Yes.
- 4:24Specifically higher vacancies at a key Singapore asset, Alexandra Technopark.
- 4:29That dragged down the NPI growth they were getting elsewhere.
- 4:32So a drag from commercial, a higher tax bill.
- 4:35And then what about currencies? They have a lot of Australian assets.
- 4:38Absolutely. The Aussie dollar was weaker against the Singapore dollar on average,
- 4:41and that acted as another headwind. It just, you know, chipped away at the final reported numbers.
- 4:46OK, so management is seeing this squeeze coming from all sides.
- 4:49Rising rates, taxes, vacancies, currency.
- 4:52They must have done something to try and stop the bleeding on the DPU.
- 4:57What countermeasures did they use? Yeah.
- 4:59The main lever they pulled was their own pay. The manager chose to take a much
- 5:04bigger slice of their management fees in units instead of cash.
- 5:07How much bigger? It was a huge jump.
- 5:09They took almost 70%, 69.8% to be exact of their fees in units.
- 5:15The year before, it was under 50%. Hold on. I mean, that's great for preserving
- 5:18cash right now, but isn't that just kicking the can down the road?
- 5:22What does that tell you about their confidence in near-term cash flow?
- 5:25That's a really sharp question. On one hand, it shows they're aligning with unit holders. right?
- 5:30They're betting on the long-term value of the units. But you're right.
- 5:33It is a cash preservation tactic, and it tells you just how severe the pressure
- 5:36is right now. They needed to do that to support the distribution.
- 5:39Let's shift to the real success story here, because when you isolate the logistics
- 5:44part of the business, it seems incredibly strong.
- 5:47What do the core numbers look like? They're the bright spot, for sure.
- 5:51Overall portfolio occupancy is still very healthy at 95.1%. And the whale.
- 5:57The weighted average lease expiry, is at 4.8 years, which gives you good income stability.
- 6:02But the logistics and industrial segment, their core focus, that's where the
- 6:06real action is. It's stellar.
- 6:08I mean, the occupancy in that part of the portfolio is 99.7%. It's basically full.
- 6:13And that demand is translating into some serious pricing power.
- 6:16Okay, give us the rental reversion numbers, because they are pretty shocking.
- 6:20So for the whole portfolio, the rental reversion was a massive plus 29.5% for
- 6:25the year. Which is already great.
- 6:27But if you just look at the logistics and industrial assets,
- 6:30the core of their strategy...
- 6:32They achieved a rental reversion of plus 39.6%. Wow, nearly 40%.
- 6:38That's not just growth. That's explosive.
- 6:40It proves the pivot to logistics, even with the high debt cost,
- 6:45is working at the asset level.
- 6:47It absolutely validates the strategy. And that leads right into the big move they made this year.
- 6:51They finally sold off 357 Collins Street, which is a big office building in Melbourne CBD.
- 6:58That was a key exit, wasn't it? It was. They got out at a slight premium to
- 7:01its valuation, and they were very clear about why.
- 7:04They said they needed to exit a tough office market and redeploy that cash into
- 7:08L&I opportunities, where they can capture that, you know, 40% rental growth.
- 7:13And has that already started to shift the balance of the portfolio?
- 7:16It has, and quite quickly.
- 7:17The L&I portion of the portfolio is now up to 75.1% of the total value,
- 7:22up from about 72%. They're not waiting around.
- 7:25Okay, which brings us back to capital management. All that strength is needed
- 7:29because the balance sheet is clearly being tested.
- 7:31How are they looking on the stability front? Their aggregate leverage is still prudent.
- 7:35It's at 35.7%, which is up a bit. But it leaves them with over S-500 million
- 7:40dollars in debt headroom before they hit the 40% regulatory threshold.
- 7:44So they're not in the danger zone.
- 7:46But the cost of that debt is the issue. How's their ability to service it?
- 7:50That's where you see the pressure.
- 7:51The interest coverage ratio, the ICR, it weakened. And it's down to 4.3 times
- 7:56from 5.0 times last year.
- 7:58So they're a bit less comfortable covering their interest payments.
- 8:01What about hedging? How protected are they from even more rate hikes?
- 8:05They've done a decent job there.
- 8:07About 70% of their debt is at fixed rates. But the risk is in that other 30%.
- 8:12They ran a sensitivity test, and it's quite sobering. What did it show?
- 8:15A 100 basis point or 1% increase in interest rates would drop that ICR all the
- 8:21way down to 3.2 times. So it shows you they're still quite vulnerable on that
- 8:25variable portion of their debt. And they have a big chunk of debt coming due soon, right?
- 8:29They do. As $476 million is maturing in FY2026.
- 8:35Management says they're confident they can refinance, but finding new terms
- 8:38for almost half a billion dollars in this environment is a significant challenge.
- 8:42Let's talk Outlook. Is there any relief coming from central banks?
- 8:45Well, in Europe, maybe. The ECB has been trimming its key rate,
- 8:50holding it at 2.0% since June.
- 8:53That should eventually help with their European debt. But overall,
- 8:56management is flagging sustained volatility and, you know, ongoing currency
- 9:00headaches. And looking at their key markets, does the on-the-ground reality
- 9:04support this big strategic shift?
- 9:06Australia is the perfect case study. The industrial rents are still growing
- 9:10strongly, like up 7% or 8% in key markets like Sydney and Brisbane.
- 9:14While the office market. The office market is struggling.
- 9:17In Perth, for instance, vacancies up to 17.1%. So it shows they're getting out
- 9:22of the weak sector and doubling down on the strong one.
- 9:24And is it a similar story in Singapore? Exactly the same divergence.
- 9:28Demand for prime logistics space is very healthy, supply is tight,
- 9:32which is what's driving those huge rental reversions.
- 9:35But the island-wide vacancy for business parks, their main commercial exposure
- 9:39there, is stuck at a very high 21.4%.
- 9:43So to pull this all together, the story for FLCT this year is really one of
- 9:48internal strength fighting against external financial drag.
- 9:51The logistics assets are performing brilliantly, but the high cost of financing
- 9:56that growth, plus the weak commercial side, is just weighing everything down.
- 10:01That's it in a nutshell. And that's exactly why management sent a very clear
- 10:04signal for the year ahead.
- 10:06They've stated that they don't expect the FY2026 distribution to be any higher
- 10:10than what we saw in the second half of this year. So basically,
- 10:13telling investors to expect stability, not growth, in their payouts.
- 10:17Right. And they're projecting they'll continue to take 75% of their fees and units next year.
- 10:21It confirms the focus is all on preserving cash and managing debt for the immediate future.