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Speaker 1: They are obviously is something else that happened. I mean
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Speaker 1: those rumors about whatever Kathy said at the club or wherever.
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Speaker 1: I think there has to be some truth that's being
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Speaker 1: left out of here, and I think that's one of
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Speaker 1: the things that's fucking up the show a little bit,
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Speaker 1: is because, like I said earlier, we can't exactly piece
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Speaker 1: together what happened, because it seems like the over the
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Speaker 1: reaction of Kathy just yelling at her sister doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: warranted by the other women. It's like they're reacting to
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Speaker 1: something bigger. But the show's obviously leaving something else out,
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Speaker 1: so I think it's confusing for the audience.
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Danny Pellogrino right after
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Speaker 3: these quick ads. Welcome to Reality with the King. It's
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Speaker 3: me Carlos King the King, a reality TV and one
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Speaker 3: of the most sought after executive producers reality television with
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Speaker 3: over ten years of production experience. Twice a week on
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Speaker 3: Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my friends
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Speaker 3: across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and
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Speaker 3: revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.
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Speaker 2: Hey rain drops.
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Speaker 3: So on today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm
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Speaker 3: joined by my friend Danny Pellegrino, who you all may
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Speaker 3: know from the highly successful podcast Everything's Iconic in addition
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Speaker 3: to him being a New York Times best selling author.
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Speaker 3: Danny and I talk about this current season of The
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Speaker 3: Real House, Spots of Billy Hills, and how Erica Jane
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Speaker 3: is emerging as one of the best villains of the show.
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Speaker 3: In addition to that, we also talk about the villain
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Speaker 3: of the Kardashian Yes, find out who that is. You
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Speaker 3: may be surprised. Without further ado, here's my conversation with
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Speaker 3: Danny Pellegrino. I haven't seen you since I was on
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Speaker 3: your top rated podcast, Danny Pellegrino, Everything Iconic. You're iconic.
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Speaker 3: I like to think them I'm iconic too.
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Speaker 1: You are at Carlos. I'm so happy to see you,
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Speaker 1: and your show is just doing so well. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I'm excited. I always love seeing people succeed in
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Speaker 1: the podcast space, so it's so exciting and I'm happy
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Speaker 1: to be here. Now.
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Speaker 2: Look, you have laid the foundation for.
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Speaker 3: Podcasts that really speaks to the pop culture arena. But
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Speaker 3: also the reality TV arena, and you and I met
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Speaker 3: based on just admiration of each other's work. I was
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Speaker 3: on your podcast, a reach number one on the TV
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Speaker 3: and Film podcast. So take that, Teddy, Mella, Kampa, Tamer Judge.
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Speaker 1: I know I feel like there's a friendly competition between
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Speaker 1: us all, but I'm always happy with people you know
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Speaker 1: do well.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm the same way. I'm the same way. So
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Speaker 2: thank you for hopping on Reality with the King.
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Speaker 3: We got so much to catch up on, Danny. We
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Speaker 3: got the Kardashian season premiere that just aired.
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Speaker 2: I have lots of thoughts about that. I know you
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Speaker 2: do as well.
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Speaker 3: But first we have to get into this past week's
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Speaker 3: episode of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, oh honey, oh honey.
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Speaker 3: We have a lot too, so much to talk about
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Speaker 3: beyond beyond, so let me update my audience on a
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Speaker 3: little quick recap on what happened this past episode. So
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Speaker 3: following the group's Colorado tripp, Lisa Renna who calls us
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Speaker 3: so Lebron James with Housewives, So we'll get into that too, Danny,
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Speaker 3: Lisa accused Kathy of having a meltdown at a nightclub.
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Speaker 2: All of this happened off camera.
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Speaker 3: And the drama continue on the ride home and at
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Speaker 3: her sister Kyle Richard's house, Lisa talked about the events,
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Speaker 3: which allegedly included Kathy insulting Kyle and other Housewife cast members.
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Speaker 3: Lisa said her confessional and I quote, I feel like
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Speaker 3: I've seen the devil and her.
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Speaker 2: Name is Kathy Hilton. So dramatic, Danny, what do we
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Speaker 2: make of all of this?
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Speaker 3: Do you believe that Kathy Hilton was acting like the
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Speaker 3: devil who wears Prada on this Colorado trip?
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Speaker 2: Look?
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Speaker 1: I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle with
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Speaker 1: this whole thing. And one of the things that I've
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Speaker 1: been really fascinated by with real houses Beverly Hills is
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Speaker 1: they're also media savvy and and so it's hard to
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Speaker 1: really know who's saying what and what's true. But I'm
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Speaker 1: so curious to talk to you because I really felt like,
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Speaker 1: as a viewer, they were all talking about something else
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I don't think like what we were
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Speaker 1: being shown is really what happened. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: what happened exactly, but I do know that it was
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Speaker 1: clear everyone in their confessionals, was talking about a different
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Speaker 1: thing that happened. I know, there was like this conga
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Speaker 1: line thing, and then Rena was talking about what happened
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Speaker 1: when they got back to Kyle's Aspen house. But I
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Speaker 1: think Erica Jane seemed to have seen and heard something
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Speaker 1: totally different than what was happening. And so when I
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Speaker 1: saw her confessional and she's talking about how intense it was.
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Speaker 1: But then Crystal she also saw a commotion but didn't
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Speaker 1: seem to think that there was anything really serious about it.
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Speaker 1: So there was something that happened, But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: You're a producer, so like, I'm curious what you thought of,
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Speaker 1: like what actually happened, because something more happened than what
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Speaker 1: we saw.
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Speaker 3: Oh and in the words of Lisa Lebron James, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to.
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Speaker 2: Keep saying I think it's so ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: But in the words of Lisa Lebron James, Renna, we're
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Speaker 3: gonna talk about it. So that's a very good question
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Speaker 3: asking me, so a little insight from my rain drops. Okay,
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Speaker 3: when you are a reality TV producer and you take
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Speaker 3: the cast on a cast trip, whether it's an international
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Speaker 3: trip or domestic trip, right, you have only twelve hours
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Speaker 3: to get the content you need because there's there's a
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Speaker 3: thing called a union rule.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so let me break this down for you guys.
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Speaker 3: A union rule in production is every show has twelve
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Speaker 3: hours to get the content and the crew needs at
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Speaker 3: least a one hour break. If you film after those
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Speaker 3: twelve hours, you have to pay the crew over time,
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Speaker 3: and over time is expensive. It's like time and a half, right.
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Speaker 3: So oftentimes as a production company or producers, you make
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Speaker 3: the call to say, you know what, this shit is
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Speaker 3: so crazy it's worth going into overtime. Oftentimes you feel
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Speaker 3: like you got the scene. It's approaching a twelve hour day.
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Speaker 3: It's very important that the crew gets a break and rest.
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Speaker 3: We do not believe in overworking the crew, right. So
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Speaker 3: with that being said, just because the crew is off,
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Speaker 3: does it mean the reality stars are off, right? So
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Speaker 3: with that being said, the reality star is like, then
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Speaker 3: this is some tea for y'all. A reality star marvels
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Speaker 3: at the fact that the crew has to wrap it
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Speaker 3: up because they feel like, oh, bitch, I get to
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Speaker 3: act a fool off camera right now when you're working
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Speaker 3: with Carlos King and the reason why people call me
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Speaker 3: the king of reality television.
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, if you are off,
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Speaker 2: you need the crew.
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Speaker 3: You can send the producer or sometimes myself because I
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Speaker 3: get paid a flat, so I would go to these
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Speaker 3: parties with these girls with my iPhone and fam Au
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Speaker 3: the Shenantigans.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's the thing that I had the most questions
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Speaker 1: about because there was no footage of anything that happened
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Speaker 1: that night at the club, and I was wondering, even
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Speaker 1: on if you look at the real House was New York,
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Speaker 1: We've seen times at the Berkshires where Bethany has had
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Speaker 1: her camera phone out, or we've seen on the Real
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Speaker 1: Houses Orange County and the sprinter Van there's sort of
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Speaker 1: that night footage, and so I feel like there have
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Speaker 1: also been times where the housewives even have taken out
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Speaker 1: their phone and I thought, like, Lisa Renna is so savvy,
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Speaker 1: how come we have it we didn't get any sort
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Speaker 1: of footage of it, Like why didn't anyone have a
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Speaker 1: phone out or was it a case of they maybe
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Speaker 1: did have their phone out or there was some footage,
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Speaker 1: but there was maybe legal issues for showing it, like
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Speaker 1: there had to be something there.
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Speaker 3: This is my professional opinion and I'm glad you brought
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Speaker 3: out the legalities of the situation. I'm not favorite Parks,
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Speaker 3: but I am a lawyer. Okay, so this is what
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking. One thing we know about the Beverly Hills Housewives, okay.
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Speaker 3: And one of the executives at the production company was
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Speaker 3: on our neutral friend Kate Casey's podcast, and that particular
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Speaker 3: production company produces the OC and Beverly Hills, and Kate
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Speaker 3: asked a genius question of the difference between the OC
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Speaker 3: Housewives and the Beverly Hills Housewives and how you produce them,
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Speaker 3: and he said, and I'm paraphrasing, but he says something
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Speaker 3: along the lines of the Beverly Hills Housewives hohold things
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Speaker 3: close to their chest. They're not as transparent and vulnerable
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Speaker 3: as the OC women. So I'm saying that to say,
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Speaker 3: when it comes to these Beverly Hills housewives, I believe
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Speaker 3: they like to protect each other. They have this alliance
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Speaker 3: with like guys is off camera, let's enjoy ourselves. Let
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Speaker 3: let's not do that to where we're throwing each other
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Speaker 3: under the bus. So I do believe that there was
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Speaker 3: no footage of it. Now when it comes to the
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Speaker 3: idea of it possibly being footage and it not being aired.
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Speaker 3: I am in the sense that Kathy money bags Hilton,
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Speaker 3: who can afford all of the networks combined and streamers
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Speaker 3: and YouTubers and podcasts, I would not be surprised if
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Speaker 3: somebody took off their took out their phone, excuse me,
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Speaker 3: and recorded something and Kathy money bag Hilton, who has
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Speaker 3: lawyers on speed dial like Lisa from Salt Lake City,
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Speaker 3: confiscated the shit.
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Speaker 1: She said, absolutely not, We're not airing it. And also,
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Speaker 1: what was so fishy to me was like the next
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Speaker 1: day at Kyle's house. Normally I would feel like production
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Speaker 1: they showed the outside of Kathy's room, but normally I
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Speaker 1: feel like production would have had Kyle or Renna knocking
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Speaker 1: on the door and we would have had a subtitle
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Speaker 1: thing saying like I'm not coming out Kyle or whatever.
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Speaker 1: I felt like that it was so fishy that too,
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Speaker 1: because I was like, was Kathy even there at the
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Speaker 1: house that next morning, because wouldn't they have had some
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Speaker 1: sort of audio even or or wouldn't production have stayed
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Speaker 1: behind if they couldn't film the night before production wrapped
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Speaker 1: that next or that night before well the next day
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Speaker 1: production starts over for those twelve hours and they did film.
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Speaker 1: They filmed Renna and Kyle at Kyle's Aspen house. So
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Speaker 1: why didn't they have any footage with Kathy. Why weren't
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Speaker 1: they asking Kathy, hey, can you come talk about this?
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Speaker 1: Or why wasn't a producer like we've seen when they
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Speaker 1: break the fourth wall of them knocking on the door
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Speaker 1: and saying, Kathy, you know we're leaving or something. There
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Speaker 1: was like not even a minute of Kathy that next
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Speaker 1: day of any audio any behind the door. I understand
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Speaker 1: if they couldn't have gotten her out of the room
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Speaker 1: to mic her up, but they would have had a
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Speaker 1: subtitle or something. So it was like, that's fishy to me.
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Speaker 2: Child. I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned.
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Speaker 3: From my conversation with Danny Pellegrino right after these quick ads,
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Speaker 3: this is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 3: Let's get back into my conversation with Danny Pellegrino. I
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Speaker 3: love talking to you, honey, because you get down to
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Speaker 3: the ta and you are asking all of the best
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Speaker 3: questions in the world as relates to that scene. And
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Speaker 3: this is again, guys, I've been producing housewives for almost
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Speaker 3: ten years, so I know little Ston sign right, which
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Speaker 3: is why I love my podcast. Yes, okay, I believe
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Speaker 3: wholeheartedly that when it comes to the Beverly Hills women
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Speaker 3: what you're used to seeing on other franchises Jersey, Atlanta, Potomac,
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Speaker 3: even the Old It is my fundamental belief and I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna give you some receipts, Danny, that production is afraid
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Speaker 3: of those women, and I believe when it comes to
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Speaker 3: Kathy specifically, I believe they really do not try to
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Speaker 3: ruffle Kathy's feathers because everything you're implying I agree with
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Speaker 3: in terms of if she was in that room, bitch,
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Speaker 3: I'm knocking on the door, I am. Let me tell
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Speaker 3: you how Carlos King would have done it. I would
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Speaker 3: have had a cast member called Kathy on speaker because
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, bitch, you ain't got
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Speaker 3: to know that we're filming this. I would have had
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Speaker 3: a cast member called Kathy, oh speaker and say, oh my.
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Speaker 2: Gosh, where are you. We're about to leave, God something.
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Speaker 3: Carlos King has been on camera plenty times because in
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Speaker 3: order to get the story, you need to send a
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Speaker 3: producer and because of these women, and.
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Speaker 2: I have a great relationship. They're not going to say
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Speaker 2: no to me.
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Speaker 3: So I would have send a producer who has a
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Speaker 3: great relationship with Kathy knocked on that door and said, hey,
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Speaker 3: can I Mike, you can I believe that they're so
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Speaker 3: afraid of those women they do not rough with feathers.
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Speaker 2: And the example I want to give you, Danny is this.
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Speaker 3: Remember last season when Garsel in front of the group
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Speaker 3: they were on another cast trip. Garsel told the group
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Speaker 3: that Erica revealed to her that she was still in touch.
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Speaker 2: With Tom Giraldi, which was a big revelation for.
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Speaker 3: Erica because Erica at the time was making it seem
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Speaker 3: like she wasn't friendly with him. And do you remember
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Speaker 3: how she yelled at Garsel, But it was really the
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Speaker 3: producer she was yelling at, and then she walked away,
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Speaker 3: slammed the door, and you heard a little bit of
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Speaker 3: the audio, but you never heard anything about it. I
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Speaker 3: belie that is the nature when it comes to the
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Speaker 3: production of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, so you think they're all afraid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're all afraid of Kathy. I think
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Speaker 3: Kathy has shown them how much power she has because
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Speaker 3: let me tell you something about reality stars, Okay, Danny,
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Speaker 3: they all want to feel equal. So when a friend
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Speaker 3: to the show who doesn't need the money, because all
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Speaker 3: the other girls do need the money, and that is
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Speaker 3: no shade.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also Kathy, Kathy became the fan favorite too.
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Speaker 1: It's like that that's not all she's a friend of
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Speaker 1: but she also last season or the season I don't
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Speaker 1: know when she joined, if it was one or two
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Speaker 1: years ago, but she really became the fan favorite without
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Speaker 1: having to really do much other than kind of walk
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Speaker 1: on screen and act like mister.
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Speaker 2: Mcgook exactly exactly exactly.
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Speaker 3: So because Kathy did not come back to the season
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Speaker 3: until the mid season because allegedly.
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Speaker 2: She was asked for more money.
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Speaker 3: When that happens, and this is just me giving y'all
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Speaker 3: some insight on reality stars. When a reality star doesn't
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Speaker 3: come back the first day of filming or even the
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Speaker 3: first week of filming, they know that ten times out
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Speaker 3: of ten is because they're negotiating their rate and they
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Speaker 3: feel like, well, bish, if you're paying her more than me,
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Speaker 3: it's a problem. So because Kathy came back mid season,
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Speaker 3: all the antennas went up in terms of all, because
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Speaker 3: she's a fan favorite. She'll give you a little snarky comment,
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Speaker 3: a little dingy ding back moment, and she's worthy of
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Speaker 3: coming back mid season.
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Speaker 2: What does y'all give into how much money is she making?
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Speaker 3: And I believe that's the reason why Lisa Rena has
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Speaker 3: a hard on for Kathy, because of the jealousy of
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Speaker 3: Kathy getting what she wanted and having the audacity to
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Speaker 3: come back mid season and eat crackers and ask for grape.
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Speaker 1: Jay right right. And the other thing I want to
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Speaker 1: point out, well, well, two things I want to point out.
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Speaker 1: I also think there's some layer of this where Kathy
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Speaker 1: also has other shows with the network her family, meaning
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Speaker 1: like they did the Paris Show on Peacock, which was
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Speaker 1: like a big show for the Peacock thing, which is
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Speaker 1: owned by NBC Universal, And so I think that could
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Speaker 1: come into play. But what's so interesting is about the
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Speaker 1: Lisa Renna thing. It's like watching her very clearly, I think,
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Speaker 1: dramatically acting about it. So, yeah, look, I think there
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Speaker 1: was something that might have happened where maybe Kathy was
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Speaker 1: losing it, and I do think that that happened, But
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Speaker 1: then Lisa Rena's response to it was so odd to
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Speaker 1: me because she was acting as if she couldn't sit
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Speaker 1: at this party with Kathy, and she was giving us
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Speaker 1: this like soap opera acting, and it just that's where
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Speaker 1: I think maybe Lisa Renna went wrong here, because it
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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, maybe this thing happened, But then you're
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Speaker 1: very clearly trying to make a meal out of a
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Speaker 1: snack with it, and it's like there's something fishy about
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Speaker 1: that too. It's like, why are you acting. We've seen
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Speaker 1: you confront everyone on this show, and we've seen you
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Speaker 1: sit down with Denise and you're always the one who
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Speaker 1: say I'm going to talk about it and I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna do for it. And then it's like at Crystal's whatever,
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Speaker 1: that fucking nineteen twenties thing again, which we were doing
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Speaker 1: that one hundred times, which also, by the way, people
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Speaker 1: pointed out to me that that party was like a
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Speaker 1: murder mystery party because there was like blood on the
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Speaker 1: cookies and stuff, and I guess there was like a
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Speaker 1: knife in the background, but they showed it to us
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Speaker 1: as if it was just a nineteen twenties party, but
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Speaker 1: I think it was actually a murder mystery, and Bravo
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Speaker 1: probably said We've done too many murder mysteries, so we're
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Speaker 1: just going to present it as nineteen twenty. But the
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Speaker 1: thing that is interesting is that, Yeah, I think I
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Speaker 1: think that Rena was sort of acting over dramatic about it.
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Speaker 1: There was something else there. Okay, So Carlos, tell me,
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Speaker 1: what do you think when it came to Lisa Renna's
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Speaker 1: reaction to the Kathya of it all, Like, did you
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Speaker 1: think she was overreacting? Did that run any red flags
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Speaker 1: for you?
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Speaker 2: Lisa Renna is a red flag.
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Speaker 3: She is a Lisa red flag Renna.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I have been very I'm not gonna say hard, I've
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Speaker 3: been honest. I've been honest about Lisa Renna this season.
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Speaker 3: And Danny, you're on point in the sense of she's
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Speaker 3: over acting. I feel like she's fighting for position on
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Speaker 3: the show. Is like she's reading a script along with
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Speaker 3: Eileen Davison as her acting coach, and she's not being
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Speaker 3: present like she used to be.
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Speaker 2: Like Lisa Rennet used to be funny and.
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Speaker 3: A joy and whimsical and you know, but always just real.
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Speaker 3: And I think what we saw with her fear of
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Speaker 3: not confronting Kathy when they're in the same room together
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Speaker 3: and acting if Kathy's done something so horrible now in
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Speaker 3: Lisa's defense because the word on the street and majize
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Speaker 3: brown boys is the fact that Kathy allegedly allegedly said
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Speaker 3: a gay stler and things that allegedly were a little racist.
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Speaker 3: Now that hasn't been uncovered as truth. So I want
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Speaker 3: to make that very clear. These are rumors, and one
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Speaker 3: thing we know about rumors, especially me, not all of
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Speaker 3: them are true. So if Lisa Renna heard Kathy say
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Speaker 3: something along those lines, then yes, I would understand why
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Speaker 3: Lisa Rena feels that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think sometimes one of the interesting things about
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Speaker 1: Lisa Rena is when she first came on the show,
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Speaker 1: I think the show was even different. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: really on Beverly Hills leaned it to the glamor of
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Speaker 1: it all, and now we see Lisa Rena leaning to
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Speaker 1: the glamb. When we first met her, she was selling
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Speaker 1: the Dusters on the QVC channel, and so I feel
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Speaker 1: almost sometimes like that's a representation of her kind of
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Speaker 1: yes A evolving with the show, but be sort of
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Speaker 1: turning herself into some of these other characters she's surrounded by,
21:03
Speaker 1: kind of picking up pieces of dereet and picking up
21:06
Speaker 1: pieces of Erica, and we even see the way that
21:08
Speaker 1: she enters scenes is differently. I always talk about this
21:10
Speaker 1: on my show, but every time she's entering a scene
21:12
Speaker 1: and she sees Erica, she's like, hey, bitch, you know,
21:14
Speaker 1: she's like doing a really aggressive and they kind of
21:17
Speaker 1: do that the hello that is so different. If you
21:21
Speaker 1: were to look at Lisa Rena's first scene on the
21:23
Speaker 1: show when she joined years back, I feel like she
21:25
Speaker 1: was a little bit different person, and so, yes, you
21:28
Speaker 1: grow and evolve, but I think part of it too
21:30
Speaker 1: is maybe her losing the plot a little bit of
21:32
Speaker 1: like who her position on the show is. Does that
21:36
Speaker 1: make sense?
21:37
Speaker 3: It makes a whole lot of sense, because what I
21:43
Speaker 3: gotta be honest, Danny, and this may give me in trouble,
21:45
Speaker 3: but lord knows, I'm always in trouble. So one thing
21:51
Speaker 3: that is concerning about housewives in general, not the show itself,
21:56
Speaker 3: I mean the reality stars. These housewives who are the
21:58
Speaker 3: stars of these shows, they're so afraid of losing their
22:01
Speaker 3: jobs that they are starting to become different versions of
22:06
Speaker 3: everyone else. And you could not be more correct in
22:10
Speaker 3: the sense of Lisa Rena has been picking different pieces
22:14
Speaker 3: of other people. I mean, I missed Lisa Reena when
22:18
Speaker 3: she was confident in the eighties hairdoo that she wore
22:22
Speaker 3: as the character Billy on Days of Our Lives.
22:25
Speaker 2: Now she's wearing name brand clothing.
22:28
Speaker 3: She's looking like Harry Styles every time she comes on
22:33
Speaker 3: the screen.
22:37
Speaker 2: Sorry, I have to live at that myself.
22:40
Speaker 1: She looks I think she looks great, but it's it
22:43
Speaker 1: is different.
22:45
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like she needs to be in one direction.
22:49
Speaker 3: But my issue is the direction you need to go
22:52
Speaker 3: into is becoming your authentic self. And I am not
22:58
Speaker 3: enjoying her this season. And then her friendship with Erica Jane,
23:03
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is a friendship of circumstance.
23:07
Speaker 2: And I don't know. And this is the sad part.
23:11
Speaker 3: If Kathy Hilton said some of these elaborate things that
23:15
Speaker 3: people are alleging she's saying, and again this is just
23:17
Speaker 3: on the internet.
23:19
Speaker 2: Make that very clear, then then I do want to
23:23
Speaker 2: hear about it.
23:24
Speaker 3: But if Kathy, in the heat of the moment, talks
23:28
Speaker 3: about her sister as somebody who has nine siblings, that happens,
23:33
Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean yeah, it's not the death of
23:37
Speaker 3: the person.
23:38
Speaker 2: And it's like, stop overreacting. I feel like, and.
23:41
Speaker 3: Quote me on this, I think Lisa Ena is jealous
23:44
Speaker 3: of Kathy Hilton, and it's monetary reasons why, which is
23:49
Speaker 3: why a couple of days ago she said, I'm the
23:53
Speaker 3: Lebron James of housewives.
23:56
Speaker 2: You can't afford to lose me.
23:58
Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's so interesting that they are.
24:01
Speaker 1: Obviously is something else that happened. I mean, those rumors
24:04
Speaker 1: about whatever Kathy said at the club or wherever. I
24:08
Speaker 1: think there has to be some truth that's being left
24:11
Speaker 1: out of here. And I think that's one of the
24:14
Speaker 1: things that's fucking up the show a little bit, is because,
24:17
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, we can't exactly piece together what happened,
24:20
Speaker 1: because it seems like the over the reaction of Kathy
24:24
Speaker 1: just yelling at her sister doesn't seem warranted by the
24:27
Speaker 1: other women. It's like they're reacting to something bigger. But
24:30
Speaker 1: the show's obviously leaving something else out, So I think
24:33
Speaker 1: it's confusing for the audience, and it seems like maybe
24:36
Speaker 1: that'll come up at the reunion, maybe we'll learn more
24:38
Speaker 1: about like what happened that night, and maybe there'll be
24:40
Speaker 1: some more specifics. But if it was really just a
24:43
Speaker 1: Kathy yelling at her sister. I mean, we've seen Kim
24:46
Speaker 1: and Kyle yell at each other and the other women
24:48
Speaker 1: didn't react in the same way they're reacting now, so
24:50
Speaker 1: it's like something else must have happened. But like then
24:53
Speaker 1: the show needs to kind of help us put together
24:56
Speaker 1: the other pieces of the puzzle, because I'm not as
24:58
Speaker 1: if you are understanding exactly like this outsized reaction to
25:03
Speaker 1: just Kathy stomping around on her glasses and yelling at
25:07
Speaker 1: her sister.
25:08
Speaker 2: Could not agree more? Couldn't agree more?
25:10
Speaker 3: And before we move on to Erica Janks, I would
25:13
Speaker 3: love to get your thoughts on her and Garcell's friends Schuri. Allegedly,
25:19
Speaker 3: it has been said that they are still editing the season. Allegedly,
25:27
Speaker 3: it has been said that the women were not allowed
25:30
Speaker 3: to watch the last two episodes of the season to
25:33
Speaker 3: prepare for the reunion. There was a moment during this
25:37
Speaker 3: season where out of nowhere, the episode was dark, meaning
25:42
Speaker 3: a new episode did not air when it was supposed to,
25:46
Speaker 3: and people were alleging that they were maybe an edit
25:49
Speaker 3: because Kathy allegedly may have hired a lawyer looked through
25:54
Speaker 3: the footage and let's not forget Lisa Renna did say
25:59
Speaker 3: that Kathy he allegedly said I will take down NBC
26:03
Speaker 3: and Bravo. So do you think Kathy has lawyers involved
26:08
Speaker 3: and it's a much bigger situation than you and I
26:11
Speaker 3: can't even imagine.
26:12
Speaker 1: Okay, you just also pointed out she said Kathy said
26:15
Speaker 1: she's going to take down NBC and Bravo. Well, the
26:18
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is, why would Kathy say that
26:20
Speaker 1: if she just got in a fight with her sister,
26:22
Speaker 1: like there had to have been something else or else.
26:24
Speaker 1: Why would Kathy have even said that, Like, it doesn't
26:26
Speaker 1: make any sense. So she would have only said that
26:29
Speaker 1: if she said or did something like out crazy, that
26:34
Speaker 1: she would have had to take down NBC and Bravo.
26:37
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. It's confusing as the viewer,
26:40
Speaker 1: and I wish somebody would step in. This is a
26:42
Speaker 1: moment where I wish they would break the fourth wall,
26:44
Speaker 1: and they did that. I remember on the Tennise season,
26:46
Speaker 1: we had a producer come in and yell at Denise,
26:48
Speaker 1: like saying, this is reality whatever. Remember that guy, I
26:51
Speaker 1: don't remember who it was, but he came on screen
26:53
Speaker 1: and yelled at Denise and it's.
26:54
Speaker 2: Like, this is what I need, Churlin.
26:57
Speaker 1: This is when I need somebody to step on screen
27:00
Speaker 1: and kind of piece it together, or or I need
27:02
Speaker 1: to hear a producer in a confessional asking these women,
27:06
Speaker 1: what do you think of this? Like, give me a little.
27:08
Speaker 1: You don't have to break the fourth wall entirely, but
27:11
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give us more information because it's
27:13
Speaker 1: hard for the viewer. And especially like Carlos, you and
27:16
Speaker 1: I like we pay attention to kind of the blogs
27:18
Speaker 1: or news stories or something like. I feel like I
27:21
Speaker 1: am someone who knows a lot about this stuff behind
27:25
Speaker 1: the scenes, I hear things whatever. But for the average viewer,
27:28
Speaker 1: I think this is very confusing. I always say my
27:30
Speaker 1: family's in Ohio, and I always use this example, but
27:33
Speaker 1: it's like my brother and sister in law, if they're
27:35
Speaker 1: sitting down to watch, they're not They're confused, and this
27:38
Speaker 1: is just making it harder for them to understand what's
27:41
Speaker 1: going on. So why would they want to watch a
27:43
Speaker 1: show where they can't even fucking understand what everyone's arguing about.
27:47
Speaker 1: It's like they need to be better. And I love them,
27:51
Speaker 1: and I love the show and I love the producers,
27:52
Speaker 1: but they need to be better about explaining what's happening now.
27:55
Speaker 2: Listen.
27:55
Speaker 3: I could not agree more and it goes to show
27:57
Speaker 3: you that Kathy's money is much longer be Denise Richards,
28:01
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, the only power
28:04
Speaker 3: Denise Richard had was them disinviting Brandy Glanville from the
28:09
Speaker 3: virtual reunion.
28:10
Speaker 1: Okay, so moving on, I miss Denise.
28:15
Speaker 2: I'm on Denise back too.
28:16
Speaker 3: I actually like Denise, and I was so mad, like Denise,
28:18
Speaker 3: who gives a fuck if.
28:20
Speaker 2: You went downtown on Brandy allegedly? Like who cares? It's
28:24
Speaker 2: not the end of the world, Like whatever, whatever. I digress.
28:27
Speaker 1: I know she played it wrong totally, but guess.
28:30
Speaker 2: Who's playing it right? In my opinion, And this is
28:33
Speaker 2: about to be.
28:34
Speaker 3: Possibly the most controversial statement of this episode. I am
28:39
Speaker 3: enjoying and loving me some Erica Jane this season.
28:42
Speaker 1: Okay, Carlos, I was this episode. I really did kind
28:46
Speaker 1: of like her. I really did sort of like her,
28:48
Speaker 1: and I haven't liked her the whole season, but I
28:50
Speaker 1: feel like this episode was the first time where, at
28:53
Speaker 1: least for me watching felt like she really stepped into
28:56
Speaker 1: the villain a role in a way that I think
28:59
Speaker 1: that she should and that works for the show and
29:02
Speaker 1: for her, because I don't know, there was something about
29:06
Speaker 1: the way that she was saying, like Kathy's not going
29:08
Speaker 1: to get away with it and everything. I don't know.
29:10
Speaker 1: I got like chills just because I felt like she
29:12
Speaker 1: finally went into the villain role and it's like, yeah,
29:16
Speaker 1: you are a villain. And I sometimes am watching and
29:19
Speaker 1: lately and the press, there's been all these A listeners
29:21
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lawrence and John Hamm. Basically Jennifer Lawrence outright
29:25
Speaker 1: called her evil, and it's like, for so long, I
29:28
Speaker 1: feel like she hasn't been leading into the fact that
29:31
Speaker 1: she might be evil or maybe thinks that she's not evil,
29:34
Speaker 1: and now finally this week, I was like, oh, you're
29:36
Speaker 1: playing evil now finally.
29:38
Speaker 3: Right, Which Okay, I may have said this on a
29:41
Speaker 3: different episode, but I'll share with you, Danny. One of
29:45
Speaker 3: the things about being a reality TV producer is a
29:48
Speaker 3: very tight knit community of a producers. We all know
29:52
Speaker 3: each other because one thing I don't think the world
29:55
Speaker 3: knows is when you are a reality TV producer, you
30:00
Speaker 3: typically hop and jump from show to show like you
30:03
Speaker 3: can do Beverly Hills Housewives and hop into Atlanta. Love
30:06
Speaker 3: is Blind on Netflix too, freaking million dollar listing, Like
30:10
Speaker 3: the rotation of jobs you can have is that extended
30:14
Speaker 3: because you're a freelancer at the end of the day.
30:18
Speaker 2: So I've always been told.
30:21
Speaker 3: That Erica Jane, even from her first, second, third, and
30:25
Speaker 3: fourth season, has always been spicy. And what was so
30:32
Speaker 3: interesting is when you watch her earlier seasons, she comes
30:36
Speaker 3: across as very fun and lighthearted, a girl's girl, you know,
30:40
Speaker 3: a gay's gay, you know what I mean, Like like
30:42
Speaker 3: the homegirl next door. But I've always been told she
30:46
Speaker 3: had allegedly a little villainous to her right, and I
30:51
Speaker 3: always wonder when she's gonna play into that side of
30:54
Speaker 3: her the way Kenya plays into it, the way Megan
30:59
Speaker 3: mc came played into it on.
31:01
Speaker 2: The View, you know what I mean, like the controversial woman.
31:04
Speaker 3: And I agree with you that I have enjoyed her
31:08
Speaker 3: for the past two episodes because I'm like, finally you're
31:12
Speaker 3: stepping into who, in my opinion, you really are and
31:17
Speaker 3: controversial statement. Again, I'm kind of agreeing with her take
31:22
Speaker 3: on a few things.
31:23
Speaker 1: Well, I did agree with her take on a few
31:26
Speaker 1: things too. Overall not so much. But this past episode,
31:28
Speaker 1: I definitely felt I liked her a lot, and I
31:31
Speaker 1: think we're so starved on Beverly Hills for people to
31:34
Speaker 1: play into the villain role, because you know, I look
31:37
Speaker 1: at someone like Dured and I know you feel similarly
31:39
Speaker 1: about this. Like Durit's earlier seasons, she was also a
31:41
Speaker 1: different person and she wasn't afraid of being outspoken and
31:45
Speaker 1: playing into the villain role as well. And I feel
31:47
Speaker 1: like Durreed is someone who's gotten so neutered down lately,
31:51
Speaker 1: and I'm not really I think part of it is
31:55
Speaker 1: because their media trained and they don't want to come
31:57
Speaker 1: across as bad, and after so many seasons, they see
31:59
Speaker 1: how the game is played, especially with something like Beverly
32:02
Speaker 1: Hills where the fan base is so invested into the show,
32:06
Speaker 1: and if they have a one wrong move, then Twitter
32:08
Speaker 1: is in an uproar about their performances on the show,
32:10
Speaker 1: and they, you know, get mad at them and all
32:13
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff. And so I look at
32:14
Speaker 1: someone like Deriet and I'm like, she's a newter down
32:17
Speaker 1: version of what she was when she first started.
32:20
Speaker 3: Oh well, honey, you and my rain drops know how
32:22
Speaker 3: I feel about Dery, And everything you're saying is one
32:25
Speaker 3: hundred percent accurate. And I think that's the reason why
32:29
Speaker 3: we're loving Erica.
32:30
Speaker 2: Well, let me not say we childs.
32:31
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't, but it's one of those
32:34
Speaker 3: people who you love to hate or hate to love,
32:36
Speaker 3: right because ever since Brandy Glamville left Real Housewives of
32:40
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills was missing a villain who owned that space.
32:45
Speaker 3: And though it's a tough space to be in and
32:48
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of strength to deal with the
32:51
Speaker 3: you know, the reaction from the audience, Brandy stood in
32:56
Speaker 3: it and when she left or got fired.
32:59
Speaker 2: She it was a missing element.
33:01
Speaker 3: And Erica Jane is so delicious to watch her interviews
33:08
Speaker 3: when she plays to the camera with the smoky you know,
33:14
Speaker 3: you know, the smoky mascara.
33:16
Speaker 2: You know, the eyeshadow.
33:18
Speaker 3: I want more of that, And I think at the
33:22
Speaker 3: end of the day, I want Erica Jane to be
33:26
Speaker 3: the Megan McCain of the Real Housewives of Billy Hills.
33:30
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you brought up Brandy Glanville because I
33:33
Speaker 1: totally agree, and I miss a presence like Brandy Glanville
33:37
Speaker 1: on the show. Like I think these shows need someone
33:40
Speaker 1: who's not afraid of a audience. Reaction and b being
33:44
Speaker 1: completely the one who's stirring up the drama. I think
33:49
Speaker 1: Brandy was so necessary on this show for so many years,
33:52
Speaker 1: and I know it didn't end well for her, but
33:55
Speaker 1: I missed that kind of vibe.
33:56
Speaker 3: Baby, there's a new villain in reality television. And they
34:01
Speaker 3: made their appearance on the season premiere of The Kardashians,
34:05
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about none other than Tristan Thompson.
34:09
Speaker 1: I mean that premiere I was so fascinated by because
34:12
Speaker 1: a I wasn't expecting it to just be about Chloe.
34:14
Speaker 1: The whole hour was about Chloe's storyline, which normally in
34:17
Speaker 1: the first season of that show, they're doing everyone's storylines together,
34:21
Speaker 1: mixing it up, and usually they're giving us some there's
34:23
Speaker 1: always like one sea plot that is just completely bonkers,
34:26
Speaker 1: like scripted Chris doing something wacky. I guess we sort
34:31
Speaker 1: of still got that because Chris had a whacky moment
34:33
Speaker 1: in this episode where she like forgot that she owned
34:35
Speaker 1: a condo. But it was so interesting how it was
34:38
Speaker 1: produced that they just decided to like, Hey, everyone's talking
34:41
Speaker 1: about this Chloe stuff. Let's get everyone talking about the
34:44
Speaker 1: premiere and just make the whole premiere about that so
34:47
Speaker 1: that it's something it's dramatic, and also it's a different
34:51
Speaker 1: form for the show, and I thought it was interesting.
34:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so too.
34:54
Speaker 3: And I want to talk to my rain drops a
34:58
Speaker 3: little bit because you know, I have Malikah on this podcast.
35:02
Speaker 3: She's a friend of mine, a very close friend, and
35:05
Speaker 3: because of her, I got a chance to meet Chloe
35:07
Speaker 3: and I met Chloe on two separate occasions while Malik
35:12
Speaker 3: and I were working on one of my other shows
35:14
Speaker 3: called Hollywood Divas maybe five years ago, and Danny Pellegrino,
35:19
Speaker 3: when I say to you, Chloe Kardashian is one of
35:24
Speaker 3: the nicest people in the world, and not just nice
35:27
Speaker 3: in a very superficial way that some celebrities can act
35:30
Speaker 3: when when they feel like they're on These are moments
35:35
Speaker 3: to where is behind the scenes and she doesn't have
35:38
Speaker 3: a camera on her and it's just like me, her
35:41
Speaker 3: and Malika just kicking the shit.
35:44
Speaker 2: I want people to.
35:45
Speaker 3: Know that Chloe is so sweet, she's so nice and bitch.
35:51
Speaker 3: She is stunning in person, gorgeous. She's a gorgeous girl.
35:56
Speaker 1: I've heard anecdotally two people who have worked with them.
35:59
Speaker 1: I've really only heard good things about how they are
36:01
Speaker 1: off camera. I mean, for the most part, I've heard
36:03
Speaker 1: such great things about Kim off camera, people who've worked
36:06
Speaker 1: on those shows or worked with them in other capacities,
36:09
Speaker 1: which I yeah, I think sometimes working in the industry
36:12
Speaker 1: or something, you hear from people, and oftentimes you hear
36:15
Speaker 1: about this person's not very nice when they're off camera.
36:18
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think sort of the reputation I've heard
36:20
Speaker 1: of at least, which could be completely wrong, but that
36:23
Speaker 1: they're nice.
36:23
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm here to vouch for that and say
36:26
Speaker 3: that is very, very true. And the reason why I
36:29
Speaker 3: wanted to bring that up first, Danny is because, Okay,
36:34
Speaker 3: I don't get emotioned on this podcast because it's a
36:37
Speaker 3: fun podcast, but I really I felt so bad for her,
36:44
Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell you why, and I would
36:46
Speaker 3: love to get your.
36:47
Speaker 2: Opinion, Danny.
36:49
Speaker 3: She seems so sad throughout the entire episode, and she
36:55
Speaker 3: really is affected, obviously, like any woman would buy what
37:00
Speaker 3: Tristan did to her by knowing in July that he
37:06
Speaker 3: got another woman pregnant and never told her, and the
37:11
Speaker 3: fact that he allegedly well, well shit, they said this
37:15
Speaker 3: on the show, and Tristan was on the show, so
37:16
Speaker 3: he signed the lease.
37:17
Speaker 2: That was all good in the hood.
37:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chloe said that Tristan knew about this other child
37:25
Speaker 3: in July based on the court documents that they received,
37:29
Speaker 3: and during those months of July, August, September, in October,
37:33
Speaker 3: he was encouraging her.
37:35
Speaker 2: To have this baby, like, let's have the baby together.
37:40
Speaker 3: And when she found out in November, she found out
37:44
Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving, a few days after Thanksgiving that the embryo
37:48
Speaker 3: took and a week later is when it was revealed
37:52
Speaker 3: that this motherfucker had another baby.
37:57
Speaker 2: And she alluded to the fact.
38:00
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was she, Kim or Malika,
38:03
Speaker 3: but it was alluded to the fact that Tristan was
38:06
Speaker 3: trapping Chloe in the sense of if we have this
38:11
Speaker 3: baby together while I know this secret, then you are
38:16
Speaker 3: kind of like forced to be with me, and for.
38:18
Speaker 1: That reason, she might forgive me for this.
38:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, she might.
38:21
Speaker 3: Oh, she might forgive me for this and this you
38:24
Speaker 3: are listen, you are one of the most shadiest motherfuckers
38:30
Speaker 3: ever in human life, because at the end of the day,
38:35
Speaker 3: you could have prevented all of this by just being
38:38
Speaker 3: honest about what was going on. Because she's given you
38:41
Speaker 3: so many chances after chances after chances.
38:43
Speaker 1: The thing that made me most emotional about the whole
38:46
Speaker 1: episode and the whole situation was I was really thinking
38:48
Speaker 1: about these this family that they've made their livelihood really
38:54
Speaker 1: being honest and open about their lives, whether it be
38:57
Speaker 1: on the show or on social media. They've pretty much
38:59
Speaker 1: bared the whole lives out there, and I really, for
39:02
Speaker 1: the for I think the first time, really had that
39:05
Speaker 1: sort of oprah aha moment of like they've put themselves
39:09
Speaker 1: in this living hell where they have to show the
39:13
Speaker 1: world of what's going on in their lives. And then
39:15
Speaker 1: I could see Chloe being so upset just thinking about
39:18
Speaker 1: how the reaction she's going to get from people when
39:22
Speaker 1: they find out she's having this baby with Tristan. So
39:24
Speaker 1: the whole episode, she's really worried about telling people and
39:27
Speaker 1: she doesn't want it publicly out there, and I was thinking,
39:29
Speaker 1: what a hell she put herself in that they can't
39:32
Speaker 1: even really get out of. And it's like, yes, they
39:34
Speaker 1: have all this money and they can do whatever they
39:37
Speaker 1: want monetarily, but they're living in hell. It's hell.
39:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And one thing that you know, I want
39:46
Speaker 3: to share with the listeners is the fact that look,
39:49
Speaker 3: being a public figure, being famous, being someone who has
39:54
Speaker 3: you know.
39:55
Speaker 2: Your face out there.
39:56
Speaker 3: Yes, there's tons of blessings that comes along with that.
40:00
Speaker 3: Be very clear. The Kardashian has so many blessings to
40:04
Speaker 3: be thankful for. And one thing I love about the
40:05
Speaker 3: family is they are very spiritual, and we saw that
40:09
Speaker 3: in the premiere when Courtney Kardashian reflected on the Bible
40:15
Speaker 3: and babies being a blessing. The dark side to being
40:21
Speaker 3: famous in the public eye or whatever, is this weird
40:26
Speaker 3: relationship you have with social media, because social media can
40:31
Speaker 3: either be a fun playground or it can be like
40:36
Speaker 3: sixty days in any to where you are trapped in
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Speaker 3: this world where everything around you is darkness and you
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Speaker 3: have to have this strength to live your life without
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Speaker 3: a care in the world of what people are thinking
40:54
Speaker 3: about you. Because what you just identified, Danny is What
40:57
Speaker 3: also made me sad with Chloe was the fact that
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Speaker 3: she was evidently hurt by what Tristan did, but she
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Speaker 3: was also dealing with the fact of public embarrassment and
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Speaker 3: people trolling her on social media based on something she
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Speaker 3: didn't know, and that to me just sort of goes
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Speaker 3: to show that we have to show a little bit
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Speaker 3: more grace to our reality stars because at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day, they're giving us their full life on camera,
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Speaker 3: some of them, and it's an opportunity for us to, like, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, make a comment here or there.
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Speaker 3: But Chloe Struggles was really about to me, and I
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Speaker 3: think to you as well, Danny, about the social media
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Speaker 3: father that was going to come her way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a moment where I was watching it too,
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Speaker 1: and I thought, man, they should have just walked away,
41:47
Speaker 1: because I think when it comes to the TV show
41:50
Speaker 1: aspect of it, they can't hide a whole lot like
41:53
Speaker 1: they Yes, they have control over editing, and I'm sure
41:56
Speaker 1: they do get certain things taken out. I think there's
41:58
Speaker 1: been rumors that Pete's going to be largely removed from
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Speaker 1: the season, So I think they do have a lot
42:03
Speaker 1: of power when it comes to production. But still when
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Speaker 1: something like that happens, they know they are going to
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Speaker 1: have to address it. Whereas I think in my own
42:11
Speaker 1: life if something like that happened, I'd be like, I
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Speaker 1: don't have to fucking address it, Like I can address
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Speaker 1: what I want and I don't have to. But with
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Speaker 1: the show, they have so much money, and I really
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Speaker 1: thought like, maybe they should have just walked away. And
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Speaker 1: I don't think that was ever their plan to really
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Speaker 1: end the show, but I still kind of feel like
42:29
Speaker 1: they should have taken their money and ran and they
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Speaker 1: still could have controlled what they wanted got out there
42:34
Speaker 1: when it came to social media, and they still could
42:36
Speaker 1: have ran their businesses. But it just seems like, why
42:39
Speaker 1: are you guys doing this? I don't know, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Know, no, no, no. I thought the same thing.
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Speaker 3: So when it was announced that E and the Kardashians
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Speaker 3: were going to collectively cancel Keeping Up with the Kardashians
42:56
Speaker 3: as a reality TV producer and again as somebody who
42:59
Speaker 3: you know say I'm close to the family by any means,
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Speaker 3: but somebody who's.
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Speaker 2: Been around them, my.
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Speaker 3: Initial reaction was, you guys had a good run, and
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Speaker 3: it's the perfect time to get off of reality TV
43:13
Speaker 3: because you guys are so famous that the show no
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Speaker 3: longer is about this funny, wealthy family who's on the
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Speaker 3: verge of fame, and you get to see all the
43:23
Speaker 3: hygiens of like being married for seventy two days, or
43:27
Speaker 3: you know, dealing with the breakup or Scott disick, you know,
43:31
Speaker 3: having these unfortunate situations happened to him. I felt like,
43:35
Speaker 3: you know what, good for you guys to end on
43:37
Speaker 3: a high note and use social media to pump your
43:42
Speaker 3: products in your endorsements the way Kylie does. Kylie was
43:46
Speaker 3: a billionaire first and Miss Thing is on television twice
43:51
Speaker 3: a year, like she has no presence on TV, but
43:53
Speaker 3: she's the most wealthy.
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Speaker 2: And I'm with you, Danny.
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Speaker 3: I think based on what happened, I think they've given
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Speaker 3: the world so much in themselves and as the king
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Speaker 3: of reality television, I want to give them their flowers and.
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Speaker 2: Say thank you for the entertainment.
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Speaker 3: But I think based on what's happening with Kim and Kanye,
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Speaker 3: Pete ray j now and of course with Tristan, well,
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Speaker 3: unfortunately happened, you know at the concert and Travis Scott, like,
44:23
Speaker 3: I feel like it may be the time to say,
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Speaker 3: you know what, it may not be what we thought
44:31
Speaker 3: it was, and maybe we should bow out gracefully.
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Speaker 1: And I don't imagine that they need the Hulu paycheck,
44:37
Speaker 1: because I really do think they could walk away. They
44:39
Speaker 1: have billions of followers on social media, I mean even
44:42
Speaker 1: just from social deals and using the social media platform
44:46
Speaker 1: to promote their own businesses. I think they'd be so
44:49
Speaker 1: monetarily fine, more than fine to move on without the show.
44:53
Speaker 1: I think that early on in the Kardashian days, like
44:56
Speaker 1: the show was sort of the platform and that helped
44:59
Speaker 1: grow all these other aspects of their career. But like
45:01
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty much topped out, Like how many more
45:05
Speaker 1: followers can they really get? Like they they use the
45:08
Speaker 1: show to their advantage, and now they should ride off
45:11
Speaker 1: to the sunset and use all their following that they
45:13
Speaker 1: got to sell their wares and everything, and they'd still
45:17
Speaker 1: be rich as fuck.
45:19
Speaker 3: Oh and and closing, I think that it may be
45:24
Speaker 3: time to just step away from reality television and Chris
45:29
Speaker 3: Jenner step into the Real Housewives of Billy Hills because
45:33
Speaker 3: I would love to see what you, Kathy Kyle, and
45:36
Speaker 3: Lisa Renna can do.
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Speaker 2: That's that's my opinion, right And we also, just.
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Speaker 1: While we're on the topic, I need Kim Richards back
45:43
Speaker 1: next season on the Real House's Beverly Hills, like I
45:46
Speaker 1: need to know where Kim stands. I feel like it
45:47
Speaker 1: would add such an interesting layer to the Real Houses
45:50
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills of like seeing where Kim is in the
45:53
Speaker 1: Kathy and Kyle of Law and they need it. It
45:56
Speaker 1: has to happen.
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Speaker 3: Well, you heard him here far we want Kim Richard's
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Speaker 3: back from the Iconic Danny Pellegrino.
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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Danny.
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Speaker 3: Let the audience know where they can find you, follow you,
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Speaker 3: support you, all that good stuff.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Carlos. I love chatting with you,
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Speaker 1: so thank you. You can find me on social media
46:17
Speaker 1: at Danny Pellegrino. I have a book out called how
46:19
Speaker 1: Do I Unremember This? So maybe people can pick that up.
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Speaker 1: I'd love it. And my show is called Everything Iconic,
46:24
Speaker 1: which you can get wherever you listen to your podcast.
46:31
Speaker 2: All rain Drops.
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Speaker 3: I can talk to Danny all day, every day of
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Speaker 3: the week.
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Speaker 2: He is my sister from another mister. Come out, Danny.
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Speaker 2: I love him.
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Speaker 3: He has such great insight on these reality shows, and
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Speaker 3: it's nice to know that there's someone out there who
46:52
Speaker 3: loves Erica Jane.
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Speaker 2: Being a villain as much as I do.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Danny, we got to buy him back on to
46:59
Speaker 3: talk about this season of Potomac when it airs in
47:02
Speaker 3: a few weeks. So Danny, if you're listening, clear schedule girl.
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