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The Kenny Report | 27 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 3: Kenny Report. And today Parliament's back and it's like nothing
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  Speaker 3: ever changes. The Coalition are arguing over climate and energy policy.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is overseas and there's a soap opera
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  Speaker 3: around Barnaby Joyce. I'll talk to Opposition front benches Dave
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  Speaker 3: Sharma and Dan Tien. Also self driving tesla's on our roads?
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  Speaker 2: What are the risks? I'll check in with Tim Blair.
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  Speaker 3: Ireland has elected a feral lefty as president. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: the latest from Sophie Elsworth in the UK, and plenty
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  Speaker 3: to discuss with Gemytone Uni and Caroline dur also including
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  Speaker 3: how even Eddie McGuire now is talking up over crime
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  Speaker 3: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: Parliament sat in Canberra today, but there was one very
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  Speaker 3: important person who was not.
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  Speaker 4: There informed the House that the Prime Minister will be
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  Speaker 4: absent from question time this week as he is attending
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  Speaker 4: as the R and the East Asian Summit and APEC
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  Speaker 4: and I will answer questions on his behalf.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Prime Minister is overseas again. Earlier this year
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  Speaker 3: he was in Canada, and then he was in China
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  Speaker 3: for a week, and over the past six weeks he's
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  Speaker 3: been out of the country as often as he's been
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  Speaker 3: in it, from a couple of days in Papua New Guinea,
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  Speaker 3: then a week away at the United Nations in New
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  Speaker 3: York and back via London.
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  Speaker 2: Then the PM had a week off and he chose.
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  Speaker 3: To holiday overseas as well, in Palao, and he got
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  Speaker 3: back to Australia just in time to head off again
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  Speaker 3: to the US to have that meeting with the President
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  Speaker 3: at the White House. And now he's away for another
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  Speaker 3: week in Malaysia and South Korea for the summit season.
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  Speaker 3: Most of this travel has been nest but you can
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  Speaker 3: see why the nickname airbus elbows sticks.
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  Speaker 5: It's a busy period.
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  Speaker 6: You can only be in one place at one time,
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  Speaker 6: although sometimes I think that I managed to almost be
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  Speaker 6: in two places at once if you look at my
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  Speaker 6: schedule over the last little period.
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  Speaker 3: Albaniz he met with China's Premier Premier Lee Chung in
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  Speaker 3: Kale today and he describes China as a friend, even
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  Speaker 3: though he had to raise the latest episode of the
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  Speaker 3: Chinese military intimidating our air force over the South China
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  Speaker 3: Sea just last week.
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  Speaker 6: He heard the message very directly. I'm not here to
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  Speaker 6: report in on what meetings, that on what people say.
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  Speaker 6: When I have meetings, I'm accountable for what I say,
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  Speaker 6: and I made the position directly clear that this was
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  Speaker 6: an incident of concern for Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Back in Canberra, the government was under fire over ongoing
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  Speaker 3: corruption allegations around the powerful construction union the CFMEU past year.
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  Speaker 7: When asked whether he would de register the corrupt and
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  Speaker 7: criminal CFMEU, the Prime Minister said, quote, nothing will be
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  Speaker 7: taken off the table under Labour's handpicked administrator cfme You
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  Speaker 7: officials have been caught taking bribes and running around with
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  Speaker 7: bikes and gangland figures. Will the Minister finally deregister the
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  Speaker 7: CFMEU as the coalition has called for? Or is the
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  Speaker 7: only thing off the table this government's courage to stand
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  Speaker 7: up to corrupt, criminal unions that bankroll the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 8: But if those officers think this is an easy task,
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  Speaker 8: If those officers think that this is an easy task,
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  Speaker 8: then they are naive.
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  Speaker 9: They on the other side.
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  Speaker 8: Might want to play politics with this issue. We take
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  Speaker 8: it seriously. We want to see a construction industry free
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  Speaker 8: from corruption. We are dedicated to the task and we
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  Speaker 8: will work until that task is done.
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  Speaker 10: The minister has said the government's Administration of the Corrupt
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  Speaker 10: and Criminal CFMAU is quote the strongest available action. But
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  Speaker 10: CFMU officials have been meeting with underworld figures such as
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  Speaker 10: Mick Gatto and violent abuser John Setka, as well as
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  Speaker 10: receiving secret bribes. Why has the Albanesi government done nothing
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  Speaker 10: to address this crime and corruption?
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  Speaker 2: And is it.
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  Speaker 10: Because the Prime Minister's labor leadership. Under Prime minis labor leadership,
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  Speaker 10: those opposite have received almost seven million dollars in CFMU donations.
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  Speaker 8: So quite frankly, to suggest that our government is not
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  Speaker 8: doing anything when it comes to crime and corruption in
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  Speaker 8: the building industry, I can reassure this house that we
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  Speaker 8: have done more in our term in government than those
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  Speaker 8: on the other side. We are taking this seriously. The
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  Speaker 8: shadow Minister might want to pretend he's in university politics
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  Speaker 8: throwing around actualizations.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're the adults in the roma.
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  Speaker 3: Will continue to be yes, stay tuned for more developments
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to crime, corruption. The unions and the
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  Speaker 3: Labor Party now on the other side of the chamber,
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition is still preoccupied with its latest iteration of
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  Speaker 3: climate and energy disagreement. When the Nationals met to discuss
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  Speaker 3: their net zero policy reviewed today, former leader Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 3: who has announced that he won't recontest his seat for
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  Speaker 3: the Nationals at the next election, Well he wasn't there.
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  Speaker 11: We used to have some of the cheapest power in
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  Speaker 11: the world. Now with the more and more intimate, they're
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  Speaker 11: not renewables. Don't fall into the non neiclatter of the billionaires, farms, renewables,
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  Speaker 11: net zero, it's all rubbish. I mean, it's intermittent power
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  Speaker 11: for which the greatest beneficiary, of course, are the billionaires
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  Speaker 11: are very small, highly affluent group.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we know what he thinks of the renewable
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  Speaker 3: energy mess.
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  Speaker 2: But listen to this exchange.
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  Speaker 11: My position is known and they know it, and they've
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  Speaker 11: known it for years, and you know, I want to
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  Speaker 11: make sure that our nation moves away from this.
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  Speaker 9: So if they come to a position where they're not
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  Speaker 9: backing net zero at all, will you rejoin the party room.
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  Speaker 11: Come and talk to me then, Laura, I'd love to
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  Speaker 11: have the conversation with you, But that is not the
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  Speaker 11: position we're.
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  Speaker 3: It now, really did he just leave the door open
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  Speaker 3: to sticking with the Nationals rather than quitting as he suggested,
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  Speaker 3: Laura Jays kept plugging away.
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  Speaker 9: So in the meantime, what are you are? You still
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  Speaker 9: in that?
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  Speaker 11: But I'm Barnaby Joyce and I'm very proud of it,
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  Speaker 11: and I gave you every time I look at my
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  Speaker 11: name tag and it look Laura, I'm a parliamentarian that's
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  Speaker 11: had the incredible blessing of representing the people of New
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  Speaker 11: England and I'll continue to do what is best for
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  Speaker 11: the people of New England and I believe the people
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  Speaker 11: of Australia that is my job first and foremost above
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  Speaker 11: everything else.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, but why wouldn't you be an independent then?
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  Speaker 11: Because I just think that you've got to go with
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  Speaker 11: a block of votes in the end, and Laura, you're
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  Speaker 11: going to I'm not going to be cut in dice
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  Speaker 11: into where I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows what he's doing or where he's going. But
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  Speaker 3: at least we know that Barnaby Joyce is Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 1: And while you ponder that.
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  Speaker 3: Bit of wisdom, let me leave you with perhaps one
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  Speaker 3: of the most controversial statements ever made in our Parliament.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why this is so difficult when people
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  Speaker 4: are asking questions, don't interject.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of intelligent people here. Well, in the
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  Speaker 2: gallery there is.
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  Speaker 12: Order.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of intelligent people in that room. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: it sometimes doesn't really seem that way, does it. Let's
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  Speaker 3: get back to the ABC, your taxpayer funded national broadcaster,
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  Speaker 3: and its Middle East reporting and its anti Israel bias.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of you have reached out after I revealed
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  Speaker 3: last week that the ABC had complained about my coverage.
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  Speaker 3: They said my criticism of the ABC was a disgrace
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  Speaker 3: and they wrote to the bosses here at Sky and
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  Speaker 3: at The Australian and at News Corp Australasia. My colleague
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  Speaker 3: Jack Houghton reported on this new ABC attempt at journalistic
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  Speaker 3: intimidation on the Media Show on Friday night. Here on
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  Speaker 3: Sky News and the Digital team have run the story
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  Speaker 3: strongly too, and I know many of you have taken
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  Speaker 3: the step of complaining to the ABC, which is all
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  Speaker 3: to the good.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for your support.
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  Speaker 3: And I've got to say that maybe, just maybe the
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  Speaker 3: ABC has taken some heed of this criticism because they
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  Speaker 3: ran a long news piece on the weekend out of Jerusalem,
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  Speaker 3: and it seemed to include some salient facts about Hummas,
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  Speaker 3: about the instigators of the Gaza war, simple facts about
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  Speaker 3: how Hummas operates. That should have been a crucial part
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  Speaker 3: of the context for every story the ABC's run over
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  Speaker 3: the past two years, but instead it's the stuff that
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  Speaker 3: they've usually ignored. Anyway, for whatever reason, the ABC saw
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  Speaker 3: fit to mention some of these key facts on the weekend.
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  Speaker 13: Hamas is back on the streets and asserting its authority
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  Speaker 13: in many parts of Gaza. A spokesman told the ABC
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  Speaker 13: that security forces are killing gang members who took Israeli
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  Speaker 13: money and weapons.
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  Speaker 14: It is the right of the government agencies to implement
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  Speaker 14: the law in a strict way.
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  Speaker 2: They have committed a major treeson crime.
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  Speaker 13: Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by countries including Australia.
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  Speaker 13: Its ruled gars are largely unchallenged and with brutal force
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  Speaker 13: since two thousand and seven, although Israel killed most of
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  Speaker 13: the group's leaders in the war.
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  Speaker 3: How about that some facts there for the ABC viewers.
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  Speaker 3: Hummas is actually a listed terrorist group, It's ruled with
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  Speaker 3: brutal force for decades, it's killing Palestinians now, and Israel
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  Speaker 3: has been killing the Hummas leaders over the past two years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not hunting civilians or targeting aid workers, but getting the
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  Speaker 3: Hummas leadership. The ABC, though in its reporting, still insists
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  Speaker 3: on calling Humas a militant group, making it sound more
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  Speaker 3: credible than the Islamist extremist terrorist group it actually is.
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  Speaker 3: But at least this time, the ABC reported a little
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  Speaker 3: more about what Hummas is up to. It even reminded
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  Speaker 3: viewers that Gazans have bravely.
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  Speaker 2: Stood up against Hummas.
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  Speaker 13: During the war. Many Gazans protested against Hamas. Hammas leaders
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  Speaker 13: say they no longer want to be the government in
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  Speaker 13: Gaza as long as they're replaced by Palestinians.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone has to run Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: Hummas has done so for the past two decades, and
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  Speaker 3: look what they did to the Joint. It's Hummas that
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  Speaker 3: is the problem in Gaza, not Israel. After two years
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  Speaker 3: of pointless and traumatic war, you'd think the ABC could
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  Speaker 3: finally get its head around that reality. Let me give
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  Speaker 3: you some good news an update on a story I
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  Speaker 3: brought you last year, and it was a story that
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  Speaker 3: focused on one of my favorite places, the Bondai Iceberg's
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  Speaker 3: Pool and a wonderful documentary film made about it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a reminder.
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  Speaker 3: On summer weekends it's almost hedonistic, a place for influences
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  Speaker 3: to be seen, more selfies than swimming. But the real Icebergs,
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  Speaker 3: seven days a week, fifty two weeks a year, that
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  Speaker 3: Iceberg's is a whole other story done right, beautiful suckle Well,
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  Speaker 3: that whole other story was brilliantly and beautifully told in
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  Speaker 3: the documentary called The Pool, and it has wowed audiences
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  Speaker 3: in cinemas, at film festivals, on quatus flights and on
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  Speaker 3: streaming services, and after winning the Best International Film at
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand's prestigious doc Edge Festival a few weeks back,
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  Speaker 3: The Pool is now eligible for an Academy Award nomination.
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  Speaker 3: So this delightful take on a quirk Australian community could
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  Speaker 3: hit the Oscars and the Hollywood big time.
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  Speaker 2: We come down here and we swim.
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  Speaker 12: We swim that that's it, for half an hour in
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  Speaker 12: the cold water, twenty laps at the pool, Doctor Pacific,
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  Speaker 12: Doctor Pacific, and we re arrive here about the same
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  Speaker 12: time every morning, say thirteen minutes to seven.
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  Speaker 11: There's a few guys inscribed the whole winter just wearing
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  Speaker 11: their speeders which I'm quite envious of.
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  Speaker 5: Winter is tough. You see a few people drop off,
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  Speaker 5: that's definitely think and then.
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  Speaker 10: They come back when the water starts to arm up,
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  Speaker 10: and I'm one of those people.
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  Speaker 2: It really is a delight in this film.
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  Speaker 3: The judges described The Pool as a compelling and beautifully
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  Speaker 3: crafted work, the transformer that transforms a seemingly simple subject
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  Speaker 3: into a powerful exploration of.
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  Speaker 2: The human condition.
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  Speaker 3: It won Best Editing and Best Cinematography too, so big
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  Speaker 3: congratulations to director Ian Darling, cinematographer Ben Cunningham, and editor
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  Speaker 3: Sally Fryer. And you never know where this story will end.
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  Speaker 3: Now the film is Oscars eligible, so let's hope it
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  Speaker 3: gets that nomination. Let's go down to Camber now and
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  Speaker 3: catch up with the Shadow Assistant Ministra for Treasury, that
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  Speaker 3: is Dave Sharma. Dave, good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 3: Big focus on Chris climate and energy policy. I'll get
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  Speaker 3: onto that at the moment, but first up, the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister's overseas again. Now, as a former diplomat, you'd know
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  Speaker 3: how important it is for him to get to the
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  Speaker 3: as En Summit and the like. But not all of
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  Speaker 3: his travel has been necessary, has it? This blokes out
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  Speaker 3: of the country more often than he's in it.
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  Speaker 15: Look, he has been overseas a lot. He did go
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  Speaker 15: to the UN in New York. He did a six
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  Speaker 15: day trip to China, but didn't stop in Japan or Korea.
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  Speaker 15: I do view these regions some's sort of Pacific Islands
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  Speaker 15: Forum each stage of some at an APEC a little
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  Speaker 15: differently because they are regional forums where heads of government
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  Speaker 15: are and where.
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  Speaker 2: Australia needs to be represented.
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  Speaker 15: But I think some of the other travel has been
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  Speaker 15: more discretionary in nature rather than these.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, too long in China. Six days in China is
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  Speaker 3: too much. It's almost it's just cow tewing all that
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  Speaker 3: time at the UN to do a horrible thing that
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  Speaker 3: is recognized a non existent state. And I was surprised
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  Speaker 3: that the holiday overseas. I thought you'd want to stick
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  Speaker 3: around when you've got some holidays in the country. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's a good advice for all prime ministers. But
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  Speaker 3: let me move on to other issues and the climate
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  Speaker 3: and energy debate. Now we're getting all sorts of angles
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  Speaker 3: from the Nationals and the Liberals. Everyone's got their two
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  Speaker 3: cents worth on this policy. But what interests me is
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  Speaker 3: that it's coinciding now this debate with this back Australia plan,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone's trying to support Australian manufacturing and Australian industry
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  Speaker 3: and bias Alien. There's an obvious link between these two issues.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody from every side of politics and all political ideologies
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  Speaker 3: wants to support Australian manufacturing. Well, you'll never get recovery
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  Speaker 3: in Australian manufacturing unless we lower electricity prices.
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  Speaker 2: Surely, I think that's right, Chris, and I think you know.
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  Speaker 15: Our energy prices were once comparative advantage for Australia, an
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  Speaker 15: area where we were highly competitive. If you look back
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  Speaker 15: twenty years ago, for instance, our electricity prices were one
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  Speaker 15: quarter that of Japan. Today, twenty years later, Japan's electricity
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  Speaker 15: prices are cheaper than Australia's. So if you want to
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  Speaker 15: think about why Australian manufacturing has been manufacturing has been
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  Speaker 15: hired out, but also why any number of things is
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  Speaker 15: more expensive, from food on the supermarket shelves to the
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  Speaker 15: cost of clothing. Energy is and input into every economic
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  Speaker 15: activity of human life, and high energy prices in Australia
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  Speaker 15: because of this mismanaged transition by the labor government are
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  Speaker 15: being felt by all of us and being paid for
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  Speaker 15: by all of us.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't this the answer to the energy question? Though?
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  Speaker 3: Is it that we should focus on price and reliability
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  Speaker 3: rather than focusing on emissions under the government's plan. Under
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  Speaker 3: a lot of government's plans over the past two decades,
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  Speaker 3: it's been reducing emissions has been the number one priority
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  Speaker 3: rather than providing affordable and reliable energy.
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  Speaker 15: I think that's I think this labor government has lost
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  Speaker 15: sight of those other objectives. They've pursued emissions reduction regardless
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  Speaker 15: of the cost, regardless of the impact, whether it's on
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  Speaker 15: rural communities or whether it's on the prices that people
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  Speaker 15: are paying. And I've lost side of the fact that
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  Speaker 15: we are about one percent of global emissions. So whatever
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  Speaker 15: our emissions envelope is, it's not going to change global
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  Speaker 15: concentrations of COTO. Now, I'm supportive of technology that reduces emissions,
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  Speaker 15: provided it's cost competitive with the alternative sources. So I
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  Speaker 15: think we need to be technology agnostic here, as they say,
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  Speaker 15: and we need to be focused laser focused on getting
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  Speaker 15: prices down.
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  Speaker 2: Does that mean that you have to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: the net zero by twenty fifty target.
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  Speaker 16: Though.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of focus in this debate.
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  Speaker 3: On the term net zero, when really the issue is
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifty, isn't it, Because if technology develops and we
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  Speaker 3: all hope so that the aim of being net zero,
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  Speaker 3: that is not putting any additional CO two into the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: Then we take out of it. Obviously that's a good aim.
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  Speaker 3: But to say that we're going to have to do
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  Speaker 3: it by twenty fifty is the problem, isn't it, Because
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  Speaker 3: we're having a rush with all sorts of technology that's unproven.
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  Speaker 15: I don't have any problem with it as an aspiration,
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  Speaker 15: but I don't think it should be dictating policy twenty
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  Speaker 15: five years in the preceding period. I mean, yes, when
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  Speaker 15: the technology becomes available, when things like direct air capture
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  Speaker 15: are commercially viable at SCAR, when carbon capture and store
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  Speaker 15: age just commercially viable at STAR, when we've got alternative
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  Speaker 15: fuels for aviation, when we've got way ways to lessen
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  Speaker 15: meath admissions from agriculture, then net zero will be possible.
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  Speaker 15: And certainly we should be aiming in that direction. But
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  Speaker 15: I don't think we should be handicapping ourselves or putting
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  Speaker 15: constraints upon ourselves in the meantime to meet a golf
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  Speaker 15: which the technology is not yet available.
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  Speaker 3: Now I want to dip into your expertise in foreign
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  Speaker 3: affairs again now as a former Australian ambassador to Israel
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  Speaker 3: and this news that's been broken overnight from Israel where Mossad,
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  Speaker 3: the Israeli intelligence agency, has named the man they believe
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  Speaker 3: responsible for the organizing some of the attacks the anti
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  Speaker 3: Semitic tax around the world, including here in Australia, such
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  Speaker 3: as the fire bombings of the synagogue the Adas Israel
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  Speaker 3: Synagogue in Melbourne and also Lewis's Continental Kitchen in Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: Mossads say this is Sada Ahmah was the commander in
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  Speaker 2: charge of all this. He's a member of the Iranian
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  Speaker 2: Revolutionary Guards.
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  Speaker 3: This probably doesn't surprise us, but what do we do
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  Speaker 3: with that information now? As a country we've already expelled
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the ambassador. Is there anything further that Australia could do.
• 20:11
  Speaker 16: Well?
• 20:11
  Speaker 15: I think this shows us two important things, Chris. One
• 20:13
  Speaker 15: is the valued intelligence relationship with Israel. I mean, Israel
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: has uncovered a network that has been used to target
• 20:23
  Speaker 15: and risk the lives of Australians in terrorist attacks on
• 20:26
  Speaker 15: our domestic soil.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: So the idea that we.
• 20:29
  Speaker 15: Should be downgrading or diminishing that relationship something the Albanesi
• 20:33
  Speaker 15: government has pursued when that relationship helps keep Australian safe,
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: is just unbelievable. I think it's been the height of
• 20:41
  Speaker 15: irresponsibility by the Albanzi government. The other thing is that
• 20:45
  Speaker 15: something the Coalition has been calling on for well over
• 20:47
  Speaker 15: two years now, the listing of the IIGC is a
• 20:50
  Speaker 15: terrorist organization, something the Labor government refused to do, something
• 20:53
  Speaker 15: they're now promising to introduce legislation to it and able
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: to happen. We should have done this a long time ago,
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: because the proof is here, hiding in plain sight.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the proof is here.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: They've conducted terrorist operations in this country.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That's what these fire bombings were.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: So how long will it take to get them listed
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: and what difference will that make on the ground in Australia.
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: Well, I think the government has committed to introducing legislation
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: this week. I've seen a draft of the legislation. Certainly
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: the Coalition will cooperate with the swift passage of that legislation.
• 21:26
  Speaker 15: As I said, I think it's happening later than it
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: should be, where we're shutting the gate after the horse
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: has bolted. But it's an important step to make sure
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: this doesn't happen in the future, and that will allow
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: our intelligence and security and law enforcement agencies to basically
• 21:43
  Speaker 15: be more proactive in monitoring the activities of the arms
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: of the Iranian state and making sure that they are
• 21:50
  Speaker 15: not planning or financing or fermenting further terrorist attacks on
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: our soil.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate a Liberal Center.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: To Dave Shama, they're live in Canberra. Just remember there
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: were people in those anti Israel pro Palestinian protests, including
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: across the Sydney Harbor Bridge there some months ago, waving
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: around photos of the Supreme Ruler, the Aatola of Iran.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: And yet this is what we find out Iran has
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: been doing in our country. Let's go to Tim Blair
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: now from the Daily Telegraph. He joins us from a
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: western Victoria. Good to catch up with you again, Tim,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: really keen for your insights into what we've learned now
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: about Tesla's my idea, I thought that if we're going
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to get self driving cars, they're going to be sort
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: of pre made ready to go.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We order them in.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: But it turns out there's thousands of Teslas in the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: country now that can just download the appropriate software.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And be self driving.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Should we be worried about what's happening out there on
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: the roads?
• 22:50
  Speaker 14: Yes, I mean I've been in various cities overseas where
• 22:55
  Speaker 14: they've got the self driving cars, and you know, you
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: can see the technology is incredible and it's all very
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: spacey and lovely, and see, look at this, we can
• 23:04
  Speaker 14: see you know, they've all got steering wheels as well,
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: which is kind of a bit off putting. They've got
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: ghost drivers. But even some locals in places like Phoenix, Arizona,
• 23:13
  Speaker 14: where they have these things, even some locals are leary
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: of them and advise don't get into those things. They
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: use them as taxis. They're called waymows.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: By the way.
• 23:22
  Speaker 14: I don't like it, and I think maybe an aspect
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: of it is just being elderly and maybe liking the
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: idea of personal responsibility a bit too much because you're
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: in a car, you know, And actually it's kind of
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: a healthy thing to have some concern for your fellow
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: human beings and to have the skills to avoid running
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: them over.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, worries me, But I love the technology their car.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I drives pretty high tech as a backup, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: in terms of sensing other vehicles around you and lanes
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. But to hand over completely,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a worry whether you're in the car,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: or whether you're a pedestrian or in another are U.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Is there a legal framework that handles this in all
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the states or do we have to wait for the
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: lawmakers to catch up.
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: I noticed it's sort of unfolding at the moment, state
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: by state. So in Victoria, it's kind of weird. If
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: Victoria can't really work out where it stands on issues
• 24:18
  Speaker 14: like this, they'll impose, you know, as we saw during
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: the COVID era, they'll impose enormous restrictions on personal movement
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: and liberty, and you can't go any and you can't
• 24:28
  Speaker 14: go outside. But hey, jump in your car and let
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: the thing take control. It's no problem, it's all sweet.
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: Just don't worry about it. So there's got to be
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: at least some sort of consistency in terms of how
• 24:40
  Speaker 14: these are how these things are applied. I come back, though,
• 24:43
  Speaker 14: again to this concept of personal responsibility. I know it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 14: awfully old fashioned. I sound very, very very old when
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: I just say it, but you know, just learn how
• 24:51
  Speaker 14: to drive people and then you're in charge.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's good to believe me.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea. It's not a bit.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And speaking of tesla's, I've got to show you this.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: It's a fake of imagery, but it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Do make me laugh. Have a look at this tesla
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: on the high I think someone's faked this.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Up in Germany towing the diesel generator. I thought you'd
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: like that, but but it's not that far from the truth,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: because of course there are electric car refueling stations across
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: the Nulla Boar that are powered by diesel generators.
• 25:25
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, I mean that that obviously is a mocked up
• 25:27
  Speaker 14: kind of thing, but technically it is feasible. You could
• 25:31
  Speaker 14: recharge an electric vehicle by towing a long as I did.
• 25:34
  Speaker 14: I mean, there are there are sort of half half
• 25:36
  Speaker 14: EV's hybrids that have been round for a long time
• 25:38
  Speaker 14: that basically have that technology incorporated into the vehicle, have
• 25:42
  Speaker 14: their own petrol engine that recharges batteries and so on.
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: So yeah, that that's just a more visible God. I
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: like the I like the black smoke that really makes.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It, makes it cute.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It's not a very that diesel generates a bit of
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: an old one. It needs a bit, needs a bit
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of a fine tune, a bit of a tune. Up. Now,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I want to take you back to American politics. Well,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: keep checking in on Ni Kamala Harris. I think she's
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: doing a book tour or whatever, which is why she's
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: talking so much.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: She talks a lot.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: She says very little, but she's promising us, she's promising
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the world that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: She may not be done with a run at the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: White House. Let's have a listener to this latest in exchange.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: When are they going to see a woman in charge
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: in the White House in their lifetime?
• 26:21
  Speaker 17: For sure?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Could it be you?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Possibly?
• 26:26
  Speaker 17: Have you made a decision yet?
• 26:28
  Speaker 18: No?
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: I have not.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: But you say in your book, I'm not done.
• 26:32
  Speaker 17: That is correct.
• 26:33
  Speaker 15: I am not done.
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: She's not done, Tim afraid. So many bartenders have heard
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: over the years from Harris like five cents through a retirement.
• 26:45
  Speaker 14: They've heard that about the bars and DC wouldn't I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: not done.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I am not done.
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: Too much shots please?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I think they also when they asked whether she's whether
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: she's made a decision, She says, no, I have not. Well,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I think that's probably I think she's talking about her
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: whole whole political career. I don't think she made a
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: decision at any stage.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, she was in charge. People, forget this. She was
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: the border czar. She was in charge of the borders.
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: Evidently didn't make any damn decisions at all, and then
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: Winged complained hugely when it was pointed out to her
• 27:17
  Speaker 14: that the border was a disaster, and she said, oh no, no, no,
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: that wasn't me, that wasn't my fault.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: It was her job.
• 27:22
  Speaker 14: She had been appointed in that role by Joe Biden,
• 27:25
  Speaker 14: and she wasn't done. She did nothing. How that's that
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: wasn't done.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: She was It was the one serious job she was given.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: As you say, she did nothing, and it was even
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: an effort to get her down there to have a
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: look at it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Tim will catch up with you
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: later in the week. Timply out there.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: You can read his stuff for the Daily Telegraph. We're
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: going to get to a break on the other side.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: We're going to cross to the UK and catch up
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: with Sophie or's Worth. We'll get the latest on Ireland's
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: nat he knew lefty president elect. Let's head to the
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: UK now and catch up with Sophie eor's Worth News
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Corp correspondent and of course Sky News contributed. Great to
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: catch up with you again, the Sophie being a bit
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: of news around. I'll come to some of the stuff
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: in the UK in a moment, but I wanted to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: start across in Ireland. Whether I had the election for
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: a new president. They've elected Claire Connolly and she seems
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: to be a bit of a lunatic lefty.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris.
• 28:23
  Speaker 19: Look, she won this presidential election easily with more than
• 28:27
  Speaker 19: sixty percent of the vote.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: She is extremely left wing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 19: She's voiced her concerns for issues such as supporting Palestine
• 28:36
  Speaker 19: and the war in Gaza. She is very left wing
• 28:39
  Speaker 19: in her views, but she prompted it in Chris. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 19: remembering this is really a ceremonial role. She won't have
• 28:46
  Speaker 19: much involvement in the day to day politics in Ireland.
• 28:51
  Speaker 19: But the result is very interesting given that Labor had
• 28:55
  Speaker 19: this position for more than a decade.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It is interesting too because the Islands.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: If we think our governments in the UK goverment have
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: been anti Israel and you know, pro Palestinian, then the
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Irish should have been next level.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: They kind of see it as the colonial power thing.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: They bile into that whole.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Colonial imperialism argument because of their own history. I suppose
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: have a listen here, here's some of what Cli Connolly's
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: had to say about it in the past.
• 29:26
  Speaker 17: I'm asking you this morning why you would say Hamas
• 29:30
  Speaker 17: is part of the fabric of the Palestinian I'll try
• 29:33
  Speaker 17: and answer that for you as best I can. They
• 29:35
  Speaker 17: are part of the civil society of Palestine. Do you
• 29:40
  Speaker 17: re a terrorist organization that are prescribed as a terrorist
• 29:43
  Speaker 17: organization that? Do you agree with that designation? That's the
• 29:47
  Speaker 17: designation Israel is acting as a terrorist state.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It's shocking stuff. I think.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I find the Irish position on this just appalling, Sophie.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: But I mentioned that, you know, their history have to
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: fight off the British as the reason they have it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: But there you have the president and as you say,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: largely ceremonial but still the head of state of that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: country saying that Israel is.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: A terrorist state.
• 30:11
  Speaker 19: Pretty remarkable comments there, Chris. But look, this is what
• 30:15
  Speaker 19: happens in elections and Ireland. The Irish voters have gotten
• 30:18
  Speaker 19: behind her. Obviously, many people endorse her views in Ireland
• 30:24
  Speaker 19: and this has resulted in her receiving this resounding win.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: So that's democracy for you, Chris, It.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Sure is, sure is. Let skip across the channel to France.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Now and a couple of arrests after that brazen heist
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: at the Louver.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 30:43
  Speaker 19: Wasn't this one to watch, Chris? I mean this amazing
• 30:47
  Speaker 19: breaking into the Louver Well. Now there's been two people arrested.
• 30:50
  Speaker 19: Little details have been given about those alleged perpetrators that
• 30:55
  Speaker 19: have been arrested, but this has been a phenomenal story
• 31:00
  Speaker 19: captured the world, given that millions and millions of dollars
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: worth of very precious jewels were stolen from the loop
• 31:08
  Speaker 19: during opening hours and seem to be done quite easily
• 31:12
  Speaker 19: and within a matter of minutes. So we don't have
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: a lot of information about the alleged perpetrators, but there
• 31:17
  Speaker 19: is still believe to be others involved that are on
• 31:21
  Speaker 19: the run and they were captured at the airport in.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: France arrested there.
• 31:27
  Speaker 19: So watch this space because the whole world is watching
• 31:31
  Speaker 19: onto this crease because the hope is that these stolen
• 31:35
  Speaker 19: jewels will be returned.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, let's see if that is one thing
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to make the arrest. But yeah, where's the rest of them?
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And where are the Where are the jewels?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Is the big question. Let's bring it back to the UK.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: A couple of.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Issues I'm really keen to get your assessment on. One
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: is Sam Kerr, the Aussie soccer star. She's been back
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: on the picture for the Matildas and talking about her
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: perhaps resuming the captaincy.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: She's got bit of a character reference from the new coach.
• 32:04
  Speaker 19: She has, indeed, Chris Look, I was in Cardiff on
• 32:07
  Speaker 19: the weekend for the friendly against Wales where Sam Kerr
• 32:10
  Speaker 19: made her return for the Matildas.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: The coach who's been installed in June, Joe Montemuro.
• 32:19
  Speaker 19: He endorsed her and said she was a great role
• 32:21
  Speaker 19: model for our young women. Now we must not forget
• 32:25
  Speaker 19: that Sam Kerr had that high profile court case where
• 32:28
  Speaker 19: she was charged with aggravated racial harassment but found not
• 32:32
  Speaker 19: guilty in a London court after she called a British
• 32:36
  Speaker 19: police officer fing stupid and white. Now we were told
• 32:41
  Speaker 19: at this media press conference we were not to ask
• 32:43
  Speaker 19: any questions related at all to this court matter was
• 32:47
  Speaker 19: quite extraordinary.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: And then at a post match press conference on.
• 32:53
  Speaker 19: Saturday, no players were put up and we were told
• 32:56
  Speaker 19: it was due to security.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Reasons, which was just extraordinary as well, Chris.
• 33:01
  Speaker 19: They seem to be absolutely in damage control the material
• 33:04
  Speaker 19: as they are trying to control the narrative and stamp
• 33:08
  Speaker 19: out this story because they do not want it back
• 33:10
  Speaker 19: in the headlines.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to do.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: You can't really kill her a role model after that incident,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and they've got to confront it, right They wanted to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: play on, but yes, you just need to confront it
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: to say what you need to about it and then
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: move on.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I want to get you to describe this story to
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: us as well, because we know about all the controversies
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: and protests when it comes to asylum seekers and illegal.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Immigrants in the UK.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: But there's one in particular, a notorious man who's been
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: convicted of sex offenses and he was accidentally released from prison.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: How can they allow an asylum seeker who's convicted of
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: sex offenses out of jail accidentally.
• 33:54
  Speaker 19: Chris, This is just mind boggling the fact that one
• 33:57
  Speaker 19: of the highest PROFILELMN seekers who arrived here illegally in
• 34:02
  Speaker 19: the UK. He was arrested, charged and found guilty of
• 34:07
  Speaker 19: assaulting a young teenage girl in Britain. He has been
• 34:12
  Speaker 19: released from prison, given some money, given about seventy five
• 34:16
  Speaker 19: quid and sent on his merry way and he's caught
• 34:19
  Speaker 19: a train to London. He's been at a library, he's
• 34:22
  Speaker 19: been shopping, he's changed.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Out of his prison attire.
• 34:25
  Speaker 19: And it was only because this drew such enormous attention
• 34:30
  Speaker 19: here in the media that a punter, a member of
• 34:32
  Speaker 19: the public saw him walking through Finsbury Park in North
• 34:36
  Speaker 19: London and rang the police and said, hey, I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 19: we've found your man. I mean, this was a massive
• 34:42
  Speaker 19: manhunt that was on Britain, was captured by and this
• 34:47
  Speaker 19: is what's happened.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: So this again is embarrassing for the British government.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, jeep, aren't they on the back foot? Thanks for
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: joining us again, Sophia. We'll catch you next week, Sophie Ellsworth.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: It all over in the UK and Europe for us.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: As we're going to go to a break.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the Shadow Climate and Energy Minister Dan ten to get
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: the latest on the energy debate that's causing so much
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: chaos of course for the coalition. As I said at
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the top of the program, the climate and energy debate
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: is dominating policy discussion in the coalition. The Nationals had
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: a party meeting today which was skipped by the former
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: leader Barnaby Joyce, who opposes net zero by twenty fifty.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: He won't recontest his seat for the Nationals at the
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: next election, but he won't say whether he'll be an
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: independent or join one Nation or even maybe reconsider his
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: role within the Nationals.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: So in the meantime, what are you are you still
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: in that?
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: But I'm Barnaby Joyce and I'm very proud of it,
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: and I gave you every time I look at my
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: name tag and look at Laura. I'm a parliamentarian that's
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: had the incredible blessing of representing the people of New
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: England and I'll continue to do what is best for
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: the people of New England and I believe the people
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: of Australia that is my job first and foremost above
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: everything else.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: Okay, but why wouldn't you be an independent then?
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: Because I just think that you've got to go with
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: the block of votes in the end, and Laura, you're
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: going to I'm not going to be cutting dice into
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: where I'm going.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: He's Butteraby Joyce and he's proud of it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: It's quite the soap opera, isn't it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has tried
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: to play himself into the Coalition debate, offering to make
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: government agencies and departments available for briefings. I caught up
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: with the Shadow Minister Dan Ten and asked whether he'd
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: take up the government's offer.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Chris.
• 36:42
  Speaker 16: We've been wanting to ask questions of these agencies for
• 36:48
  Speaker 16: quite some time and we want to get the facts,
• 36:50
  Speaker 16: especially around the cost of Labour's reckless renewables roll out
• 36:56
  Speaker 16: and they're reckless pursuit of net zero. We want to
• 37:00
  Speaker 16: know what the costs are and so we'll absolutely take
• 37:05
  Speaker 16: that offer up, and we want them to be absolutely
• 37:08
  Speaker 16: transparent with the Australian people, because Chris Bowen isn't about
• 37:13
  Speaker 16: the cost of the labor approach and I'm looking forward
• 37:16
  Speaker 16: to having those questions answered, also to find out why
• 37:21
  Speaker 16: they haven't mapped or modeled their reckless renewables roll out
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: and why they won't be transparent and upfront with releasing
• 37:32
  Speaker 16: the modeling on their approach to do with the ISP.
• 37:37
  Speaker 16: So all these questions I look forward to putting to
• 37:39
  Speaker 16: these agencies and hopefully are getting very transparent answers.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is the interesting thing.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is so confident, smug if you like, about
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the capability of renewables to deliver affordable and reliable energy.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: For this country despite all the evidence.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: You know, we've got prices continuing to get up, we've
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: got reliability that's worse.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Than it's ever been.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: We've got the International Energy Agency says you can't get
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to net zero on current technology.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yet Bowen is so confident.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: So these government agencies must be telling him that this
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: can be done.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what we've got to put to them. Are
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they telling him that?
• 38:20
  Speaker 16: Are they warning him that if he keeps going with
• 38:24
  Speaker 16: the reckless approach that he's taking.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: We've seen electricity prices go up by thirty nine percent?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Are they likely to double again?
• 38:32
  Speaker 16: That's my deep concern and if you look at the
• 38:35
  Speaker 16: international comparisons, that's likely where electricity prices will go under
• 38:41
  Speaker 16: Chris Bowen. So we need to be able to ask
• 38:44
  Speaker 16: what are the warnings, what are the modeling that's being done,
• 38:47
  Speaker 16: and are they prepared to be transparent about the costs?
• 38:52
  Speaker 16: And if Chris Bowen is keen to offer us the
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: chance to do that, we're going to do it. And
• 38:58
  Speaker 16: as I've said, the hope is that they will be
• 39:01
  Speaker 16: upfront because the whole of Chris Bowen's approach is built
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: on this idea that he's going to continue to put
• 39:09
  Speaker 16: renewables into the system and he believes make electricity prices
• 39:14
  Speaker 16: go down. Yet everything points to the fact that it
• 39:17
  Speaker 16: will continue to drive costs up, especially when you look
• 39:22
  Speaker 16: at the cost of transmission that has still yet got
• 39:25
  Speaker 16: to go into the system.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Chris Bon's gone into print again mocking really the nuclear option.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: He seems to be convinced that nuclear won't work in Australia,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: even though we're one of the largest exporters of uranium.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: And of course nuclear energy is being dramatically expanded in
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: so many developed nations, from China through South Korea.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: The US, Europe or the UK.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: How could Chris Bowen be so out of touch with
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: what's happening with energy markets and the rest of the world.
• 39:56
  Speaker 16: As a nuclear in naissance taking place right around the world.
• 40:00
  Speaker 16: Chris Bowen doesn't want Australia to be part of that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 16: I met with Mike Goff, who's the assistant to Chris Right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 16: the Energy secretary in the Trump administration. He said to me,
• 40:10
  Speaker 16: the thing that keeps him up at night is where
• 40:13
  Speaker 16: are they going to get the uranium supplies from. That's
• 40:16
  Speaker 16: something that we could have had as part of that
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: critical Minerals deal with the Trump administration.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yet we just left it on the table.
• 40:25
  Speaker 16: And overnight Bill Gates has just been able to announce
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: that terror power. He's first of a kind nuclear actor
• 40:32
  Speaker 16: has just been approved to get built in the US.
• 40:37
  Speaker 16: So you've got Bill Gates and his fortune back in
• 40:40
  Speaker 16: nuclear and here in Australia Chris Bowen acting like a
• 40:44
  Speaker 16: complete and utter relic.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Which will leave Australia behind.
• 40:48
  Speaker 16: And if you are absolutely dead serious about reducing emissions,
• 40:53
  Speaker 16: why wouldn't you put nuclear on the table. It really
• 40:56
  Speaker 16: shows that Chris Bowen is all about the ideology and
• 41:00
  Speaker 16: he's not about getting good practical outcomes.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, either that or Chris Bowen smarter than Bill Gates.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I know which one I'd put my money on. Look,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: obviously you've got to come up with your policy.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Obviously you increase I like a ben.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Now, obviously you're going to look at nuclear as a
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: part of any energy future in Australia. You can't rule
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: that out. You've got to get rid of the band,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: you'd be mad not to. But a lot of the
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: arguments framed around net zero, to back net zero or
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: not to me, the focus is wrong because it's net
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: That's the problem, right.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: It's fair enough to say that ultimately, if technology enables it,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: you'd all want to be net zero eventually. But the
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: idea that we can do that by twenty fifty is
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: the problem, isn't it. It will wreck the country. Well,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: it can't be done according to the technology. But if
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: we try that, we'll just wreck our economy.
• 41:54
  Speaker 16: So what we have to focus on, and you're absolutely right,
• 41:58
  Speaker 16: is what's happening in the next five years, what's happening
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: to electricity prices, what's happening with Labour's reckless renewable rollout.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: How do we fix that?
• 42:10
  Speaker 16: And the first thing that we should be looking to
• 42:13
  Speaker 16: do is step on the gas because everyone is saying
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: that that's what is needed. And yet Chris Bowen and
• 42:21
  Speaker 16: this Albanesi labor government in the last three to four years,
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: has not released a new lease to enable any gas
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: exploration to take place. So there are lots of things
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: that we can do, and we've got to be focused
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: on driving costs down. Labor isn't Their approach is a
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: high cost approach and they won't tell us what that
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: cost is. We have to be focused on bringing that
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: cost down. And obviously we've got this meeting on Friday
• 42:51
  Speaker 16: where we'll have further discussions as part of the process
• 42:54
  Speaker 16: we've been undertaking over the last few months as we
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: come together to form our approach.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right, it has to be all about cost.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us down. Look forward to the meeting
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: on Friday.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Thanks Chris.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, lots more gas and get rid of the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: nuclear band.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I think we can guarantee we'll see both of those
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: from the coalition policy.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: What are they going to do about zero though? We
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: shall see.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: But I take a break on the other side of
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Gematon Uni and Caroline Drusso join me. We'll talk about
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it many things, including Eddie maguire speaking out.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Over crime in Melbourne. Okay, let's sort out the problems
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of the world.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: We've got Caroline Drusso Sky and news host joining us
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: from Perth and on the set with me. Here we've
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: got Gematon Uni from GT Communications.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Good to see you, Gema. Let's start off with Melbourne.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I reckon when Eddie McGuire says you've got a crime
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: problem in Melbourne, you want.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: To listen up because that loves his town and likes
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to sprink it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 20: It's pretty distressing the nature of the crimes, the veracity
• 43:59
  Speaker 20: of them, the vice and what seems to be a
• 44:02
  Speaker 20: revolving door before the bail courts. And again I say
• 44:06
  Speaker 20: that with the greatest of respect to the bench, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 20: we had a couple of weeks ago a couple of
• 44:09
  Speaker 20: senior judges, if I recall, rightly speaking out against what
• 44:12
  Speaker 20: they said was a crime problem in Melbourne. I mean,
• 44:14
  Speaker 20: that's stabbing that happened ten days ago. I walked down
• 44:18
  Speaker 20: Little Burke Street all the time and many of us
• 44:21
  Speaker 20: would say the same thing.
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: There's a problem there.
• 44:24
  Speaker 20: We've reached maguire levels of seriousness. What's it going to take?
• 44:29
  Speaker 20: I mean, again, the genuine question that I ask is
• 44:31
  Speaker 20: what is the logical endpoint for Premier Allen?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Well exactly.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Premier Allen has been out there saying that their machete
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: laws are working barage.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: She says, they're working. They're still having these knighte attacks.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And there's another.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Instance today where a bunch of young alleged offenders over
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the most recent stabbing have been bailed.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: They're not in custody.
• 44:53
  Speaker 21: And apparently they're the strictest bow laws in the country
• 44:55
  Speaker 21: and they're working well.
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: The evidence that we see.
• 44:59
  Speaker 21: Every day being reported by crime journalists in Melbourne who
• 45:03
  Speaker 21: are run off their feet. I reckon they've all lost
• 45:06
  Speaker 21: a few kilos in the last few months they've got.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: We see it happening all the time. So either they're
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: not as.
• 45:14
  Speaker 21: As strict as what they say they are, or there's
• 45:18
  Speaker 21: or there's perhaps too much discretion in there for that
• 45:22
  Speaker 21: to be moved around by the judges and managtates. I
• 45:26
  Speaker 21: don't know the answer to that that that have to
• 45:28
  Speaker 21: be someone who you know, knows that area of the
• 45:31
  Speaker 21: law in Victoria better. But for the Premier to come
• 45:35
  Speaker 21: out and say NAT's all fine, and Harriet Sing I
• 45:37
  Speaker 21: think was the other person who was.
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: Like, oh, we've got wonderful night life.
• 45:41
  Speaker 21: I'm not sure the average person believes that the problem
• 45:45
  Speaker 21: is is you shred your credibility when you say too
• 45:47
  Speaker 21: many things like that when everyone can see it's on fire.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be in denial. Actually fix the problem, that's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: what you've got to do.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Look, I want to go to a breaking story I've
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: just noticed while we're on air, So I'm going to
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: get instant reaction from Gematon. UNI's with Andrew Hasty. Of
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: course he's on the back bench now, speaks out on
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: a few issues, but he says that the Palestinian authority
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: have said that they'd like to.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Have as part of peacekeepers in Gaza Australian soldiers. Here's
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: what Andrew Hasty says about that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: There should be no ADF troops into Gaza until the
• 46:18
  Speaker 18: Palestine refugees, the nearly two thousand of them go home.
• 46:22
  Speaker 18: When it's safe enough for our refugees to go home
• 46:24
  Speaker 18: to Gaza, then it's safe enough for ADF troops to
• 46:26
  Speaker 18: follow them.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Not a bad point, is it, Jemma.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: If we've got these refugees here, why should I should
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: soldiers be heading over?
• 46:33
  Speaker 20: Well, there's two things I'd say about that. That's a
• 46:35
  Speaker 20: pretty salient point and it needs to be interrogated because
• 46:38
  Speaker 20: I think most Australians would remember that these people boarding
• 46:40
  Speaker 20: to Australia unvetted. There was no consideration for the Australian
• 46:44
  Speaker 20: community by the federal government. Second of all, I don't
• 46:49
  Speaker 20: think that's the only metric that we should be applying
• 46:51
  Speaker 20: about the safety of peacekeeping forces going to that region
• 46:55
  Speaker 20: of Israel that you and I have both been to
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: in wartime. There are far far more important issues.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: That is, the.
• 47:03
  Speaker 20: Palestinian authority itself, which is corrupt and was unable to
• 47:09
  Speaker 20: keep itself from blowing it when I was there in
• 47:11
  Speaker 20: December last year. The thing was on fire, into clan fighting,
• 47:14
  Speaker 20: all of that sort of stuff. So the problems that
• 47:17
  Speaker 20: present about a post war Gaza peacekeeping force, for want
• 47:21
  Speaker 20: of a better phrase, are far deeper than that. Although
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: that is a consideration. Though I will say mister Hasty
• 47:27
  Speaker 20: has done a really good job of playing politics with
• 47:28
  Speaker 20: that issue.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I just would have thought.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: So that's what interests me here, Caroline, is that you've
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: got Hasty from the back bench getting out ahead of
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the game, putting a position out there for the coalition
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: that makes it whoever runs the policy on the coalition side.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: For Susan Leon are offside, is this kind of running
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: their game for them, right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 21: Well, I have to be careful obviously being the state
• 47:51
  Speaker 21: president in Way. But you know what, you go to
• 47:54
  Speaker 21: the back bench and you can have an opinion on
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: any issue that you want, and that there is something
• 47:59
  Speaker 21: we hold absolutely sacred in the Liberal Party. It'll obviously
• 48:03
  Speaker 21: be up to the shadow ministers and the cabinet what
• 48:06
  Speaker 21: they decide is their ultimate position on that. But Andrew
• 48:09
  Speaker 21: can say whatever he likes.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: On those can I say whatever I like?
• 48:13
  Speaker 20: Briefly as a voter. It's that kind of stuff that
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: the Labor Party are laughing at us liberls for because
• 48:17
  Speaker 20: we don't have the discipline to put purpose over preference.
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: If mister Hasty wants to, you know, formulate policy respectfully,
• 48:24
  Speaker 20: get back in the game, put purpose over preference and
• 48:26
  Speaker 20: be a team player.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: It's a serious point and we're going to have to
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: leave it there. I wanted to show you these pictures.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: We've got time just to show you these pictures. Just
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: have a look at Justin Trudeau, the former Prime Minister
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: of Canada of course, and Katie Perry.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: They're out, they're proud.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: There are real heights and we were going to chat
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: about that, but we'll have to do it another time, guys,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: because we're right out of time.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks for twining us Gemmer account. There's a bit of
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: politics in those pictures. I'll see tomorrow. Here's Peter Quedlin.