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Talks to Mark Dodyk about his choice of Fury from the Deep (4/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast its Fury from the deep episode for its Mark
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  datuk. Now officially top-10 have the
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  star. Listen, hello Mark, hello.
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  Yes, I do expected honor that. I was not excited dissipating to
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  made the top ten buddy. Yes, it's down to two fingers
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  down to you're deliriously, sexy accent, or different gets down.
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  Into the riveting content, you provide.
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  Well, I know you trip on a compliment I guess I didn't know
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  what to do with compliments. This Bat it back at you.
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  I am. I hope it's because I'm bringing
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  scintillating commentary content.
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  Absolutely. As soon as well, does somebody
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  like that was your first commentary as well?
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  Wasn't it so? So, and that obviously generated
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  a lot of interest. So thank you very popular out
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  there, you know, other than me, makes you got on the interweb,
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  but by the sounds of it quite a lot.
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  Oh yeah. I don't know.
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  I don't know. I honestly don't know but if
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  thank you, kindly, everybody. That listens and continues to
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  listen for gracing us with your presence.
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  Yeah, much appreciated. We recorded episodes 123 of Fury
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  a little while back. So we've had a bit of a break
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  because it is suicide to do six episodes in one night.
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  Right? I feel like we're watching it on
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  the perfect time. Those a cold winter night?
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  Yes. NE fabulous blankie wrap their,
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  I'm in the thermals. It's winter that I think, is a
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  perfect time for a scary Doctor Who story.
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  Oh, definitely. I think we're better wrapped up
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  then Debbie Watling, and probably better at facing this.
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  Yeah, did you read that story about Debbie warbling on the
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  crews? Did I tell you that?
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  Oh, maybe what was? It was very times autobiography,
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  you know what? You should they said, nobody
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  disembark the ship. But did we wanted hadn't heard
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  the message. So she's on this little dinghy
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  going off to shore into the eye of a bloody storm.
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  It does seem like she was a bit day important to Mad situations
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  and a bit and a bit of an anarchist.
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  Maybe our dear friends, I Hulk who looked after a while the
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  sieve Doctor Who said that she was an absolute error.
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  She didn't give up and also fans or she was drinking have
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  cigarettes. Yeah, that seems to be the main
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  impression I get, oh God offering more don't see.
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  People should be aligned conventions.
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  You know. It'd be a lot more fun.
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  Absolutely a mic so I'd like you to please.
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  If you would like I do every now and again see that people have
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  been paying attention. Let us know what has occurred in
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  a fiery from the deep to date to catch people up.
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  And you, you would get in there and asked me that before I had a
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  chance quite a bit. Actually, quite a lot has
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  happened quite a bit, has happened and largely a lot of
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  it's got to do with the fact that Chief Robson is unwilling
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  to admit. That something large and ominous
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  is throbbing in his pipeline. Many men are have that problem,
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  you know, They're incredibly repressed.
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  What precisely is flopping in his pipeline?
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  Then well something waiting for me.
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  You're terrible into this. All right.
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  Okay he's bagged and then people like you come on this thing.
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  Turn it into a filth perfectly innocent statement.
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  It's not. It's correct.
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  Is true. Is in fact sentient seaweed.
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  Yes, there was supposed to. Yes, others have been to that as
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  well. Ah, there you go.
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  What the tone? Right back down again.
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  It's yes. And which it has been a bit
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  spooky. I wasn't theirs.
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  It's like not lots of prolonged scenes of women being
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  overpowered by Harry, Laurel and Hardy types.
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  Yeah. And something very eerie about a
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  lot of what we've seen so far. It's very atmospheric and rather
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  than having Lots of very Dynamic jumps and scares and thrills and
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  set pieces that a lot of Doctor Who even at this early stage in
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  its history would be having. It is just about the build and
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  the momentum and slowly building towards, you know, some dark.
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  Something that's lurking there and causing all this Mayhem and
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  we left it with the end of episode 3, which is one
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  probably, one of the eeriest strangest.
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  Cliffhangers where mrs. Robinson walks.
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  I'm just not Robson Harris, mrs. Harris, walks out into the sea,
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  just silently and seemingly to murder herself.
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  Yeah. Very much like the lines.
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  Not the late Autumn about the bushes on a Saturday night in
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  Brighton. There is something down there in
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  the pipeline waiting. Well, should we dive dive into
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  episode 4? I think.
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  I am so for you know have some really scary seems that it down
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  the impeller shaft oh definitely have you ever explored an
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  impeller Shaft or two? Not for some time.
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  Okay, would you care to explore one with me right now?
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  Oh yes. Haha, you make up for lost time.
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  Three, two one. This podcast is like cereal.
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  Fucking bigger me also wears a gold.
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  Now, I'm watching on the brick box which only has the black and
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  white version of the animation. I think last time I was watching
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  the color. But yeah, we did talk a lot
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  about the animation last time. Having watched the last three
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  episodes I've got to say, as the action content ramps up?
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  I think the animation takes on a bit of a life is own.
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  Like, yes, I think a few Liberties are may be taken, but
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  probably for the benefit of the group, The Wider piece, I just
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  couldn't get my liege. I can't get my head around those
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  massive arms, everybody's got its is the most bizarre.
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  Our effect on our brothers, ha ha, but it is a bit comical is
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  there. Yeah, they're just totally
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  disproportionate. And you've got just when the
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  flail it is when they grow up in the air.
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  Yeah. Overemphasizes everything
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  honestly. It's like, but it's like a
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  child's drawer, you know? As a child and you
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  disproportionately draw people with tiny head, some things like
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  that. It's like that.
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  Oh, that's very menacing. The way the Seas rolling across
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  the camera like that. I quite like That that's one of
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  those little flourishes that the animators have brought which I
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  think is rather nice cars. Your question about the weed.
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  Hmm well I was I was thinking about this monster the weed
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  which I think is a bit unusual because you don't really find
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  out what motivates this thing. Do you you don't really find out
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  what they're trying to do it. What is trying to achieve?
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  It is just taking over people seemingly murdering people
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  although it turns out not And behaving in a particularly
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  Sinister way like doesn't want to take over the world.
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  I don't think we ever learn. No, I don't think we do but that
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  often. It's sometimes me it's things a
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  bit better in a lot of ways. If you don't know the complete
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  motivation of a monster or a villain.
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  Yes they're just going about Wicked and scary things.
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  Sometimes things are left your imagination.
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  It's a bit like the original alien film.
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  You don't see the Monster an awful lot, but you know, what's
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  going to get you ultimately similar to this, there's
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  something moving. It's probably going to get you
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  eventually, nobody knows quite why but it just seems to be in
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  its nature. ER, and it's going to get you
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  regardless. I mean, I think it sort of takes
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  all the right boxes. It takes over people make some
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  acts in a Sinister way. It comes bursting out of
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  ventilations shafts and attacks people, you know?
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  Yeah. And that sort of unknowable
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  evil. Sometimes, I even when I watch
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  horror movies, and I feel like it's doing a bang-up job with
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  the suspense and and then at the end, you either get a reveal of
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  of a monster. Something or villain and it's
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  just terrible. You know the actual realization
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  is terrible or you get a motive which is like a really, you
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  know, some specs and lover or, you know.
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  Yeah. And it has previously discussed
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  the brain. That was sucking out there the
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  energy of the emotional energy of everybody and try and take
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  over the planet of all come on now.
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  Ha, ha. And it it can cling to spoil
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  what you've conjured in your imagination.
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  It's a bit late, maybe reading a novel and having an impression
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  of what a monster or the Villain of the piece is like a name,
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  seeing it adapt it as well. And it not living up to your
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  expectation can be. It's I think it can be jarring
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  if it's not if it doesn't quite live up to the premise would.
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  Um but listen in series, I hmm. Where the whole point of the
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  bloody story was, you never find out.
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  I mean, I think that you never find out what the Menace is just
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  that it is remember, it's like banging on the doors in the few
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  times and then you've got the thing under the Blanket.
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  Ah, and that's terrifying. I was scary and that's not
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  people criticizing the episode, right?
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  Well, what was it? What was it all about?
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  That's the fucking point, you don't know that's scary.
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  You know, it's your imagination is filled in so much and what
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  you imagine, you know, it's probably going to be a deep fear
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  or a trigger, something in your subconscious.
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  And if it turns out that it's us, just some gimmick or
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  something. If it doesn't meet that
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  expectation suddenly flatlines, I think for some people that
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  sort of lack of definition is annoying.
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  Those people that like everything but you know, like
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  the chronology of every single big finish Adventure.
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  Well, where is it set? What story is it set?
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  Because if there's no if there's a reference to when it's are and
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  they can't possibly enjoy the story in its own right.
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  Yeah, I feel sorry for those types.
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  But it does take a lot of different people to make the
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  world go round. It does it really does and
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  Doctor Who fans come in, many shapes and sizes.
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  Don't we all thinking in the face?
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  That's all fan. Who likes everything to find
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  and, you know, well given how Easily triggered.
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  He is by the slightest deviation to it.
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  Is your moral duty marked by both blue rice?
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  It's like, I'm already doing that.
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  That's I don't care. If you can't feed yourself or
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  pay the heating bill. You should buy those Blu-rays.
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  Yeah, it's like my goodness. I think you are, perhaps not
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  grasping that we're living in a bit of a difficult time right
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  now. Not everybody can afford such
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  luxuries like fucking Millions out.
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  Records of way. It's not had a meteoric success
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  with dr. In distress.
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  Exactly. Yes.
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  We don't have that. Sort of success, Welcome Way of
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  peace, from Fear of the day. You have an I take us back on
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  track, come on. Yeah, trouble.
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  Or are we where we got to? And I think we've just missed a
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  very lovely seamless the doctor and Victoria talking about how
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  she feels Oh is everything shifts?
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  Why can't we ever go anywhere? Nice?
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  Yeah, she's got going. Oh, it's just that's quite a
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  drop of time for the last few stories, really?
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  It's been shitty - bye. Ice Warriors, yetis, Patrick
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  troughton with a bit of black makeup on his face, you know,
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  like A terrible long time? No, no.
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  I mean this is this is a deliberately spookier the show
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  isn't it? So oh yeah I think if any
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  companion in this area said I've had enough.
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  This is too creepy. Hmm.
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  Hey dudes. Oh yeah I think if you were to
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  go into the Tardis with any sort of anxiety disorder it's not
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  going to improve. Jesus Christ.
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  Shall be no till then. Yeah well gold imagine I mean
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  being stuck in a London Underground, the next and old
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  light on and the chance of being Something approaching a big
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  hairy bear or something. I don't know what you made would
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  be thrilled by the prospect. Leave that Bloody towels.
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  If you do, I'll be like that are more.
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  I hear things reading a good book.
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  Oh yeah. Be like to have an adventure
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  Beyond where the little lie lies next to the food machine.
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  I'll be fine. I'll be fine.
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  Look Joe, you signed up for the adventurer.
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  I think your bloody eye guy now they are.
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  All right I'll watch it from the scanner.
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  It's fine. I want to be like to you get
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  Perry though going out and then always win.
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  Do they want to go back? Just stay in there.
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  All is going down in the impeller shop.
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  These are the scenes. These are marsupials, hell these
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  things. Yeah.
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  Do you know why? What beyond the fact that he's
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  in a very dark, space underground, being menaced by
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  something unknowable, you got Douglass in some going, dum, dum
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  dum, dum, dum, dum, dum dum, it can crazy on the piano.
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  It's great. I'm loving the fact that this is
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  the sort of the era where he starts to race the synthesizer a
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  wee bit and get some. Read your phonic help with its
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  own tracks. Because that's that's the sort
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  of series is a season 8 of Doctor Who is the one that I saw
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  a lot on VHS when I was really Done.
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  Some people don't like Dudley Simpsons scores for that year.
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  But for me, it's very evocative. And when you hear somebody, did
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  you say season 8? Yeah.
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  With their sort of all units stories in the master stories of
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  like I love see you tonight. Gave us but do do, do, do, do,
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  why pick me? Josh take exactly and I love
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  that and I like all the, there's something about the clothes back
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  sauce from either works. It's one of the best ones for
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  me. And that certainly is that
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  Europe. And all these sort of Sighs
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  sounds that you get tastes of with some of the 60 stories that
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  he does as well. Well, the shrieking in the
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  howling of the ice Warriors in the space pirates may be a bit
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  much. Oh yeah, I love all of that
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  order. That's what of probably going to
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  do. This is really good as far as
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  well. Space pirates can even attempt
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  it but it's just lots of music. I like, It's a bit different
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  from the norm though. Yeah suppose especially given
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  that they were going to. They were sort of striving to
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  give a bit of a What's the word realism till the space seems so
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  everything is really slow. Slow jam.
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  Yeah. So did you scare somebody to
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  shriek over it instead? A story so irrelevant.
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  They managed to pre film the scenes with the regulars and the
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  last step aside, that's how much they impact the story.
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  Oh yes. But can you imagine anything
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  more Sinister for a child and watching this?
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  Grown-ass man heading down into To This creepy, dark space,
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  laughs own rushing up and he literally it wraps himself
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  around him and brings him down into the finest.
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  I can understand why that's when those sensor clips that.
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  Yeah. Looks really sensors to Kill Ya.
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  That is the annoying thing about this.
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  Those their song by saying, yeah, it's like, what else are
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  we missing? I've told him this story.
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  I am and so many other stories from this era.
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  I'm yeah, that's fantastic. But where would you say we're
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  just Fury sit with you? Is it one that it would it be
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  one that you would want over any other stories?
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  Or is it further down the list? Sorry.
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  Sorry to anyone who adores food from the table and you know
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  what? I'm actually coming to the
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  conclusion that is very good about it.
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  With Yahoo will be ambivalent at the start.
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  Yeah I mean you can't have say that this and say something
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  terrible, if not also Megan Jones has come a long way.
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  Minute. I've forgotten how bozize Megan
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  Jones. Walls, she's pretty good.
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  I like her. There's, I think, the, this era
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  of the show, although there's not a lot of female characters.
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  There's usually at least one standout female role in most of
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  the stories and Triton, Sera going to think now, or you got
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  fabulous Faria and as fight, enemy of the world and they're
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  brilliant. That's if you got mascara
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  mascara, you've got an Travers, Miss Kelly, I Miss Kelly.
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  Amazing. And what about the fabulous
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  woman? Who recounts the history of the
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  dulcian people in the dominators can do?
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  Oh, yeah. That's terrible.
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  That one who Gets Zapped in a Facebook, a quark and her face
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  Mills. Oh, that's such a, such a
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  horrible thing because lady Jennifer, yes, I'll bless you.
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  Just are Jean Sherman. Just passed away recently?
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  Oh, I know she's fabulous. Why you said it?
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  Commentary' because Lee from The Highlanders, but she's a bit of
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  a sniffler. Yeah, she's not exactly treated.
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  Very kindly by Polly. Oh, what about Sam brakes?
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  Yeah, brilliant, Sam, Briggs in her hat.
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  Maybe as you're well that's that's a fair amount of strong
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  women there. It's really good and it's quite
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  odd that you then going to the part where you're at and the
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  Hinchcliffe here. And there's very there's a lot
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  of stories where the companion is the only female.
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  Well, I can think of more strong women in a way.
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  Hinge, gave our fingers really tall but yeah, I think Robert
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  Holmes said that he didn't like Kaput.
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  He didn't like to put women in villainous roles and he didn't
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  like bad things happening to women.
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  So he would always just cast men and let horrible things happen
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  to men, but then he wrote some of the absolute best episodes of
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  Blake's 7 and had surveillance and pin it up like mad.
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  Yeah, learn his lesson, definitely.
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  Sorry. It's a bit about your question,
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  two episodes to find. I'm going to be a bit obvious
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  but I would want to find some of those Hartnell.
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  Oracle's. So, I would love for Marco Polo,
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  the mythmakers, and the massacre to be returned.
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  One could I just think they looked?
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  They probably looked amazing and to, it's just bloody good
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  scripts, well-acted. Yeah, I think they story of
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  calls from what we do have. I've always been really well
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  realized so it would be, it'd be nice to fill in some of those
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  blanks. What about you?
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  I have always been super intrigued by the Dalek stories
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  in the heart, in the black-and-white Europe because I
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  had the Doctor Who sixties book that came out in the early 90s
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  when I was a kid and pouring over the imagery in that and not
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  real. I was too young to really absorb
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  the information of it missing episodes.
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  I was just looking at Telus naps and great publicity Stills for
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  the Daleks on Vulcan, on skaro, in the master in Dalek master
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  plan on Timberland. I was I want to see these these
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  lips so enticing. And I still want to see them.
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  Now, how to fucking hell did I forget about power of the
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  Daleks? That would be my number one.
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  Aha, Alex. I think that would be.
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  That would be an absolute coup would be amazing.
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  I would love to see even if we couldn't have a complete master
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  plan, I'd love to see the last episode.
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  Yeah. Oh God, yeah.
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  It's the most Grim fatalistic episode of Doctor Who for long
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  secrets with the time Destructor.
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  Aha. And does Canfield directing so
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  hard or it can only be a good thing.
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  Desperation, amazing heart. You know, this is a very good
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  suspense technique. They've had van luncheons go
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  down into that shaft and be to waste, like, screaming his head
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  off, and then they have the doctor and Jamie go after him,
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  so, you know what's down there? Ah, and I are just going.
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  It's nuisance, eclipse of that as well.
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  Yeah, there's bits of them trying to sort of Desperately
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  Scrabble. The wave while the reaps
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  beginning to thrash, it's yeah, it's sort of going into that
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  Peril of not knowing They don't necessarily know what, they're
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  letting themselves in for his great builds, that suspense,
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  I've got a question for you, then about missing episodes
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  eyes, you know, to be contrary, which absolutely dismal story.
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  Would you want to be see returned and reappraised?
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  I think, oh, I don't know. Of the historical 's, I think
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  the Smugglers is a bit overlooked.
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  I would be really intrigued to see that come back and be
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  reappraised, because I imagine it's quite good.
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  Actually, I think the Savages would be re-approach that they
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  came back. That's what money.
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  We forgot about all the time, but it's quite strong.
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  Actually, when you listen to the soundtrack.
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  Yeah, that really intrigues me and I like the Frederick,
• 22:35
  Frederick Frederick Yeager, as it was the opposite.
• 22:38
  Leaders name. I started to Gene or yes.
• 22:41
  I don't know what you mean. Dear boy.
• 22:45
  I seems like he really invested a lot in that, and I love do.
• 22:50
  Do I really like her as a companion?
• 22:52
  So, the more I see for the best, this massive dodo reappraisal
• 22:56
  this guy, and I don't know, often people are going crazy.
• 22:58
  You know, I've always loved her when I got there are conveyed,
• 23:02
  you, I just liked her immediately.
• 23:06
  Are you crying? No, it's windows.
• 23:08
  We do. Did you say what the doctor just
• 23:12
  said, then that is the filthiest light of this whole thing he
• 23:16
  said is filled the entire shaft, all my animated Megan Josie with
• 23:24
  her hands on her hips like a pentode, a look.
• 23:26
  Yes. Because she's a sassy
• 23:28
  businesswoman, you know, she means business with very
• 23:31
  sensible Shoes by the looks of it too.
• 23:33
  Mmm, it's nice though. She still comes in and she has
• 23:36
  an established relationship with Robinson.
• 23:39
  So it's not like she comes in and just patronizes him like she
• 23:42
  tries to reach out to him in a really well acted.
• 23:44
  See nothing. Yeah.
• 23:46
  I think it's I think it's really nice.
• 23:48
  So I think we've probably touched on this when we did the
• 23:50
  first three parts but Victor Pemberton.
• 23:54
  Maybe wasn't the strongest writer, certainly this point in
• 23:57
  his career but he was quite good at characterful touches and it
• 24:02
  seems to me there's a good motivation in a reason for a lot
• 24:05
  of the things that people are doing and the interactions that
• 24:07
  they have You can similarly, when he's being assisted script
• 24:10
  editing, most of this season, prior there have been lots of
• 24:15
  lovely little touches, which more or less disappeared as soon
• 24:17
  as season 6 Stars. So it makes you wonder was
• 24:21
  Victor Pemberton to you. You're behind all of these
• 24:24
  character touches and flourishes and moment, because there's not
• 24:28
  much of it in the season for either.
• 24:31
  Wow, so sort of after David Whittaker leaves and before
• 24:35
  Victor Pemberton comes along. And then after it's been, yeah,
• 24:38
  Yeah, I think you're right because there's that lovely bit
• 24:41
  interval assignment is in between Victor Victoria and the
• 24:43
  door. It's really Charming B in
• 24:47
  abominable snowmen. Yeah.
• 24:50
  We previously talked about Clinton penley in ice Warriors
• 24:56
  and and just characters like, for real and Griffin.
• 25:00
  The chef in. Yeah, we must have, yeah, it is
• 25:04
  a little something extra and David Whittaker working
• 25:07
  together. That's not match made in heaven.
• 25:10
  Did you see that? David Whittaker, documentary, on
• 25:12
  the Blu-ray set? Yes, I do.
• 25:14
  He was canceled like, in the seventies.
• 25:17
  That broke my heart. Why?
• 25:19
  He was a great writer. Yes, such a shame because and I
• 25:23
  can't wait to get a hold of the book.
• 25:25
  I'll be fascinated to find out what Simon garrier has.
• 25:29
  What else? He's uncovered because he, they
• 25:31
  was this unknowable figure. There's so much of his life that
• 25:34
  we were unaware of, and I have to admit that I did have a, we I
• 25:37
  did well up towards The documentary.
• 25:39
  It's quite a touching quite sad. And really, yes, when she given
• 25:46
  how his Doctor Who career giving me the helped launch Doctor Who
• 25:49
  and made it the success that it was.
• 25:51
  Oh, definitely. How's really quite Angelov.
• 25:54
  You want anyone's do a book like this?
• 25:56
  I'm a Girish your man. I don't know if you ever read
• 25:58
  big finish the inside story, but it's so full of the scandalous,
• 26:01
  gossip and interviews, it's amazing.
• 26:05
  I really should get my hands on it.
• 26:07
  Oh man, it recounts all Spots that I had in those early days
• 26:10
  of big finish. Oh, brilliant.
• 26:13
  Well the I like, you know, reading all the bitchiness that
• 26:16
  goes on behind the scenes. I'm not that sort of person but
• 26:18
  I think it adds an extra little bit of something.
• 26:21
  You know, you don't want to wait.
• 26:22
  It's when you read these really dried really books and they're
• 26:25
  like, yeah, but they filmed this on a Monday.
• 26:27
  They filmed this on the Tuesday. They filmed this on Wednesday
• 26:30
  and they got a memo about on the Thursday, you're sitting there
• 26:33
  going, that's really boring. When does it get to the bit
• 26:36
  where sons of stops on? So in the back, come on.
• 26:38
  I've been reading the robot Homes book that came out of the
• 26:41
  biography and it is, it's full of interesting stuff that I
• 26:44
  didn't know about and shows that you wrote for that, I didn't
• 26:46
  really know about mmm, but the only really desperately
• 26:49
  interesting part was when he was scripted that, uh, and he's
• 26:53
  having to send off notes to All these established writers, like
• 26:56
  Jerry Davis and Terrance dicks and he's pissing everybody off.
• 26:58
  And I was like, man, this is gold.
• 27:00
  He says, the Jerry Davis, I'm sorry, but the show has become a
• 27:03
  bit more sophisticated and as you were evolved and you need,
• 27:06
  no up your game with this script.
• 27:09
  Husband, I guess it must be interesting having to navigate
• 27:12
  those sorts of their relationships.
• 27:15
  So Karen here, west of Jamie's of what's occurring.
• 27:19
  I've completely lost track of what's occurring in Fury from
• 27:21
  the deep. Yes, we've gone off on tangents
• 27:23
  again. Well, yes, in a way to make the
• 27:27
  in six Partners. Last, you know, you have to go
• 27:31
  around the house a little bit. Thank you, patient listener for
• 27:35
  bearing with us. Almost happened to Victoria.
• 27:40
  Okay. Ben will, she's been overpowered
• 27:43
  again? Mmm, I've got a thing about
• 27:45
  overpowering women. Don't they, they do ya.
• 27:49
  It's a bit. Well, no more not delve too deep
• 27:51
  into that. You when I go close up on
• 27:54
  phrase, eyes his face there. They animation they'd given him
• 27:56
  not full lips, very full for me Hayden.
• 28:00
  Very pretty. They have got better with anime
• 28:02
  in the face as I've gotta say because some of those early
• 28:05
  attempts for been looked like an auton facsimile.
• 28:08
  Yeah. He's Really square face and get
• 28:11
  some B seem a bit misjudged. But when this one came along in,
• 28:14
  there was the initial stills of the character designs.
• 28:18
  I thought that they'd really quite got a good resemblance for
• 28:22
  for Victoria and 4G me and the doctor as well, there's moments
• 28:25
  in this world. There's a really, really quite
• 28:27
  good characterizations. The doctor never quite captures
• 28:31
  the essence of Triton, but there's moments where you go,
• 28:34
  that's quite good. Well, you and we said it in
• 28:37
  Parts. 1 2 3. I kept saying that this is very
• 28:42
  out of the ordinary, like what would be sort of domestic
• 28:45
  scenes? I think that I is a very unusual
• 28:48
  story Patrick troughton. Hmm, like, especially at the end
• 28:52
  where he hangs about and sees Victoria of and I think had he
• 28:55
  done anything else. That would have been a bit weird
• 28:57
  and it just got a white wall or off.
• 28:59
  See you later Victoria. That it's just he never ever
• 29:02
  does that anywhere else? Like, yo dancing off in the
• 29:06
  macro Tara or just dashing off a way.
• 29:09
  The bases at the end of all the others that's quite nice.
• 29:12
  That the heat makes an exception for Victoria everybody else.
• 29:18
  He's quite happy to turn his back on, literally any other
• 29:21
  situation but for Victoria he gives her time to think about
• 29:24
  her decision and it's quite nice.
• 29:28
  It get it shows you a different site is dr.
• 29:30
  Last night. They can't think of another time
• 29:32
  when he talks about his feelings, but the last line in
• 29:34
  this, where he goes, I was fond of her too, you know?
• 29:37
  I was like wow, that is I'm really out of character, but the
• 29:41
  second. Yeah, it's a bit like, hey, it's
• 29:43
  similar to the fourth doctor with Lila leaves and he closes
• 29:48
  the door. Oh, yeah.
• 29:49
  Nobody else hears him. Say I'll miss you too Savage and
• 29:54
  it's that that's, that's, that's a rare show of emotion, for the
• 29:56
  fourth doctor. It's when these irreverent
• 29:59
  doctors are so used to sort of commanding the scenes and
• 30:02
  outwitting everybody show a bit of vulnerability.
• 30:05
  Hmm. Well, it was nice and I thought
• 30:07
  to myself, I could With a bit more, that's actually uh, huh.
• 30:12
  Because it's a bit and remember the bit in the war games where
• 30:14
  he kisses Zoe and he says goodbye my dear think or but
• 30:18
  they were sweet wine company. Hmm ended.
• 30:21
  How did the doctor saying the battle of the Giants or
• 30:27
  something like that? Is about, we stop all about I
• 30:31
  really don't know. There's a few lines and things
• 30:33
  that I think Victor Pemberton was just very attached to and
• 30:36
  want to get them said rather than I'm thinking about the
• 30:39
  context because you know who was scripted a thing.
• 30:42
  This Derek Sherman or they all blame me in for it then he
• 30:47
  blames of yeah. But it's the same because it was
• 30:49
  going to be called colony of devils.
• 30:51
  That's right. The working title and that
• 30:54
  doesn't really make an awful lot of sense.
• 30:56
  You can this wait for a few revisions and some of these
• 30:58
  things just slip through the cracks I'm not sure I'd seems to
• 31:02
  me that even when you read the novelization as well, I can't
• 31:04
  think of examples of the top of my head.
• 31:06
  But there's instances where that depends were to just uses
• 31:08
  Expressions, which I think he's just really Keen to use, right?
• 31:13
  So, they're just thrown in and you go.
• 31:15
  What bearing does that have the rest of this paragraph?
• 31:18
  Battle of the Giants? What are we trying to pull any
• 31:23
  of Devil's? He made.
• 31:23
  Sure, he says that in the end, you think?
• 31:27
  What does that has no bearing on this at all?
• 31:29
  What does that mean? God knows, who knows who?
• 31:33
  All I know is, is we've got a skip in to episode 5 right now.
• 31:37
  Yes. Are you ready to do it with me?
• 31:40
  I'm ready. When you are, let's go.