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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 5 Episode 8 - Shadow · Shit 90s Shows Taught Me | Felicity/ Buffy the Vampire Slayer/ Boy Meets World / Dawson's Creek/ 90s TV

• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from an unusual place
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shit, 90's show's not me.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shit, 90's show's taught me was not filmed before live studio audience.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Are you ready to play another day?
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: So are we.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back to Shit, 90's show's taught me.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just there, link here with my co-host, Sarah, I'm free, Sarah, how are you?
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jess, I'm doing really good.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: My one issue is that a through garage sale, quite recently.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I sold, I had like a couple of like a cult things, you know.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had sold them together.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I sold them together.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is, is that I was just trying to get the coin.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: But turn as any person should in this day.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I learned from Ania that it's all about the money, all about the money, honey.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think is what it was.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I sold them together.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I had them to be honest with you.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like you just keep things, you know, especially superstitious things can't just go the way.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I am a bit superstitious.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to step back from that life because there's just been times where it's really
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: like the socks situation.
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, have we told the socks situation?
• 2:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know about the socks situation, so we definitely have talked about it on the wall.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if you don't know it, basically, I had a pair of, you know, like a normal people have good locks, good luck socks.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had a pair of bad luck socks, and whenever I wore this pair of socks, something bad would happen.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I became afraid of them.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't want to throw them out because I didn't want to disrespect the socks that thing.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't want to like taunt them.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: because I didn't want or like upset the socks, but like I wouldn't wear them, but I went through them out.
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was really something, eventually they must have gone through it out because I no longer own the bad luck socks and I don't exactly remember what happened if I like finally got the guts to throw them out and one of the moves they had or if they got lost or like the universe of
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: absorb them back into, like, it's dirt under belly.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And to hell.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then they said, it's like, you've had enough of that luck.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, he's back.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, um, I don't know what happened to them, but I don't own them anymore.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they were really my life for a bit.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, um, I mean, there's some bad luck to be had this episode of Buffy, uh, season five episode, a shadow.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, where do you want to start?
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we have, we have stuff going on with Glory, whose name we now learn, Glorificus, the Great Glory.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what that is.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I didn't, I didn't catch the Glorificus.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I only, uh, noticed it because I had captions on.
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: The guy who is obsessed with her, the creepy guy who's obsessed with her own story with you.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you not be obsessed with her?
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I understand his obsession or your, yeah, awfulness, your pull out my tongue if she wants, please.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he part tongues in our mouth.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, with her, right?
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: You said it first.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So obviously, it was top of mine for you.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let me think about her.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we didn't get her last episode.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we missed her.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: bunkers like normal and I mean like she's so cool like I that's the thing like I just think that
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the type of villain that we've been waiting for.
• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like someone who is like young and hot and cool and evil and life-speed evil and unhinged.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I really think that she's everything that we could have asked for in a compelling villain and I'm really excited about her.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, nobody is going to top Dottie Daddy Mams.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: like in a way daddy ramps his name in a villain like it is almost like an insult to call him of the kids about the children because all he does is want to be a good father and he really just sometimes gets in the way of that and he was trapped down there for a really long time and he wants it to take score.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, 60 score, a long time three score, I don't know.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot of time.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot of scores.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So many scores that we can't possibly remember how many scores.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like you just wanted to go up like maybe he wanted to get some McDonald's.
• 6:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, let's do forget Angel insulted his face.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'll never, oh my god, you was wrong.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: We will think of grudge to be honest with you.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that he stole Angel stole Darla from him.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, no wonder he hated Angel.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would too, and he made fun of his face.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which is not his fault.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, sometimes some of us are just born ugly.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like your elders, Angel.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so yeah, but glory, can I tell you, glory was giving, I don't know if it was the room or the trying on the shoes or like generally just her attitude and her personality, she's giving a little bit of like share Horowitz, like alwoods, like a little bit of like
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: spunky, high energy, fashionable girl.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I really love that.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like she just has this really fun energy.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the show took a really learned a really good lesson with the character at like faith, which is it's fun to have a character that can banter back and forth with Buffy and not just have Buffy BVD only one like shit talking as they fight.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I really love that glory
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: She needs information, she needs this incantation from this guy who's obsessed with her.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: And she gets the information, finds out that she, it's basically a dark incantation that has been lost for Eons.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And she decides she's going to transmographize a cobra.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a word they use.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: The transmography.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Transmography.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like,
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: transform is the word that we just want to read to.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like how in wicked, everything is like, you know, they could just say good, but it's like the goodliest, you know what I mean?
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like everybody in the audience, you're just adding shit.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, so they transformed a,
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was, yeah, basically.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she was says, I'm going to make you a star.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the whole point is she says to see what is unseen, see or find what is shrouded in shadow, which I have thoughts on as the title of this episode.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so she is basically like, okay, giant snakey poo.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go find the key.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want my key.
• 8:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go fucking find it, bitch.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's a little.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, as I'm a snake lover, I, I, I do famously love a snake.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love snakes.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that snakes are evil.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that snakes have a really bad rep, rap, rap, and a Bible ever since the beginning of time essentially.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And once again, yeah, this snake tricked Eve, but also maybe Eve should have been like a
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: The snake was like, hey, you should have stopped being a greedy bed.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: But here it can defend you for just a second as we as we are in fall in the northeast.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I will say apples are so delicious.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I really can't blame Eve for being, and especially if it was like a honey crisp, how are you going to resist?
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's a red delicious.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We both know it.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, okay.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's it.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of know fire.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't question.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want that.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it was all apples.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was one particular tree.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there was probably other.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a Bible Titian, you know.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if this was the only honey crisp apple.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was the note.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of apple?
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Google it.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: What did she eat?
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: The type of fruit evade is never identified as an app or a Cycle and that's interesting.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think well, they can't get them.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: We need the pertinent information.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can't have a Homogram at no no.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll pop a granite.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and the France are like basically you might into a pomegranate.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you had a chance.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no.
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, you know, I think they might have like a modernized it and Oh, to be on the grandmas.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think I really love to be on the grandad juice.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it just was called a fruit, a fruit on the tree.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was never, it was never, it was not the apple.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that they were just like the forbidden fruit, right?
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that they, they were just like, you know what?
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: We will just call it an apple because
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, the stupid's Noah Apples are.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: So Apple, I mean, A for Apple, right?
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's like the first thing you learned.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that would happen.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite sure.
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once again, I'm not a Bible Titian, but I have gone a Christian.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, that comes from the Old Testament.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I know, but anyway, I think that I think it was definitely a delicious apple because once again, dumb bitch, oh, Lyser short, snakes are not our problem.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: We invade invaded their homes is the thing.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, from everything I've ever heard about snakes, like leave them alone, and they will leave you alone.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, or you put a snake sitting on the edge of the water and all of a sudden, a cat snake comes up and bites the sexiest man that's ever been on television.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: when he was just mining his own damn business.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the snake was like, what is that on his nipple?
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh, well, we'll have to get more information.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a river reference.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, I forget it.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, okay, whatever.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the snake is like, I have a job to do.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: My job is to find the, the, the key.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think like the snake did a pretty good job, you know, he had a job, he had a task, I have a question though, what's that?
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we see the snake right like this cobra guy.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's like he's running around, he's slithering whatever here and there everywhere.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's why he ends up, he does go to like the merry-go-round where we see Don and Riley earlier, but before that he goes to a church and I was like, have we seen Don at a church?
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like maybe we just missed that scene, but I was like that's interesting.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that means anything because I feel like there are times where like everything in the show means something.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't I'm just pointing that out that like I feel like he went to a church first, which I really didn't understand.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he had to go find his roots once again.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said,
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh, that's the big E, oh my, what's my background, where am I ancestor's from, he says, I can find it.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's chapter one in the Bible.
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's all he wanted to do was learn his past.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was, you know, sometimes when you do work like a hours a day, sometimes you need a little me time.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and that was, that was his lunch break.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he had some confessions.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's him.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, hi.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I. My name is Snake.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I'm a guy.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Snake.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm here to kill my mask.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your glory told me that it's time to kill the key.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Find the key.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kill the key.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little morally divided about it, but I'm going to do my job.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then says go forth, do like seven and a half confessions and hellmarries and like have a good day.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, give a couple of our fathers in there.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: So the other thing I love about glory is that she is such a little shit.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like she is like I need these specific items to do this sort of transmography situation.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know exactly where to buy them.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go to the store that
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just going to talk these fuckers on with home to them.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's so fun because nobody, especially people that are not, I think she got lucky that puppy wasn't there, but if puppy was there, then I think that she probably would have been happy to start some shit of nowhere, but, um,
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's basically hiding in plain sight which good for her.
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's able to walk right in.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody is expecting her.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: She looks human.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't even know if we completely understand what she is.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know the dog is some debate if she really was a demon.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like she's the more accurate word is like one that cannot be described or named or something like that.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So she can just walk right in and
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there should be some like regulations, you know how like at the grocery store you scan like a bottle of wine and it's like it stops you and it says, hey, like is this person 21 like maybe we need something like in the coding of the register if you scan two items that could possibly create a huge as monster and destroy the world and buffy maybe you should get like a little like alert on the catch register and be like
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: you can't buy these two items at the same time.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Must be sold separately.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Must be sold separately.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we could get a reasonable included.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this is a little bit advanced for this technology, but it seems like on is the only one that understands, yes, this is race.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: on yet truly deserves a raise and I was offended on her behalf when they were trying to keep this information from Buffy and they decided the way to do that was going to say that on you was clumsy and dropped something and broke it.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Girl is employee of the month and so I do not appreciate the tarnishing of her reputation.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen her drop anything.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, she can't.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: She has whatever the opposite of butterfingers are, sticky fingers, and she doesn't steal.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, um, she could steal.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: She could steal, but she doesn't steal, so she's going to boy.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: So they, speaking of the Scoobies, they're all researching glory because they need to figure out who she is, what she is, like where she's from, and they're coming up with no information.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Tara basically says,
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: What if she's like so old that she predates language?
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's why she's not in any of these books.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: This has been glory comes in, buys the things and leaves and it is onya later, as we said, who discovers this whole situation when she's going through the receipts that they she bought the two things together and that it is basically like goes back to this whole
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: a cold and all that.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: In this conversation also, I love that Zander brings up bunny worshipers and immediately on us like thank you for that nightmare because we know she thinks bunnies are okay.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, bunnies could be terrifying.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a, that's where you call back.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, stop down and we got to talk about Tara got a new hair color.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I am loving it.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: She looks so good.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a, like an Auburnie kind of carmally color.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would say it's very fall.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful, I think she looks so good and Willow's hair is just getting ugly or an uglier by the second.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's rude about her hair.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind it.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like looking good and then she did something to it and now looks like shit.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: She looks like the freaking little like drummer boy.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's horrible.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: She needs to do something about it.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a real problem.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought that all the Scooby-Seans were really interesting.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked, but on him was like, hi, like, hello, waving the little ticket, such a problem.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that Tara's insight was really smart.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then they started to like,
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, jiles is kind of like, oh, yeah, it was just like a girl like a young girl like blonde curly hair and basically describing like exactly webbuffy described and then he's like, oh, she really shit the bed this episode.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what a fucking screw up.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, seriously though, like he really messed things up.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't, I think the thing is he was so distracted because they were researching literally when she walks in and he's treating her like any other customer.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not really paying attention to exactly what she's buying and what she looks like, right?
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cause she just looks like an innocent young woman.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, so they kind of put two and two together.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Also, I think something we can kind of talk about in the same conversation is the Riley situation, right?
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because Zander comes in and we get like a continuation from last episode where Zander is talking about how they went the next morning to that Mosulim, the tomb, where all those vampires were and it was completely blown up and Zander knows that it was Riley who blew it up and he's like, what the heck?
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, why did he go in
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I really enjoyed Sarah that when Riley shows up later, because it feels like all episode, he's like, where's Buffy?
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where's Buffy?
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Can't find Buffy?
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's constantly looking for her.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: When he shows up later at the store, looking for Buffy, and they say, oh, she left to go destroy the cobra.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: He is like, oh, that's like, you let her go alone.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Jyle says, oh, you don't really let Buffy do anything, she just does it.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I really appreciated that Zander not only pointed out like the hypocrisy in Riley saying that, but also, I feel like the way in which Zander approached it was very much like, bro, you okay?
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, are you doing okay?
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I feel like he was very sensitive to the topic generally speaking.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sander being sensitive.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just want you to play put them stone and send it back to your soul.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, I'm very pros and
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fun.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like how they're playful.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like that he's able to kind of check in on him.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like there's not a lot of people.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's not a lot of people period to check in on Riley and how he's doing.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that like anybody would be really good.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, we'll talk about Riley and like Buffy that whole situation.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if we're kind of getting like dark Riley.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like Riley is continuing on his little
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: downward spiral like I think that we are just like going down a path of either like no return or like he's probably just going to have a realization that like he can just be here for.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Buffy and he needs to kind of like do his own thing for himself.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But besides, between like the blowing up of the mausoleum on his own and like going back to the bar and killing that Rando vampire, but like also laying her like bite him like I think that we're getting kind of like a darker Riley and like I think like any
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: All American boys slash Captain America type character is going to have that like
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: dark or that like departure from like the All-American boy storyline.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think like it makes sense.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I will say like there was still a lot of moments that Riley had this episode where I was like, man, that's the Riley like I know and love.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the way that he took care of Dawn and the fact that like Buffy,
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, when he like went to go see Buffy after Spike and Takenize Tim, like he wasn't, um,
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: like aggressive or accusatory to her, he was like pretty sweet and calm and like I that's some of the things I love about Riley like how at times level headed he is to Buffy with Buffy of course like there's so much like left unsaid which is a killer for relationships but there's so much that I like about Riley I just think that I think my my guy just needs a purpose
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's interesting what's going on with Riley.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because, I mean, I think we can even start, or like go back to the interaction with Spike, where he goes to Buffy's house, having no clue that Buffy is with her mom at the hospital, having no idea that that's even a thing that's going on, right?
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: So that's another thing to a laundry list of items that like, he's been left out of the loop on,
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: He finds spike sniffing Buffy sweater.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Riley is like, what is going on here?
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Spike completely antagonizes.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: He poked pokespokes Riley saying like, oh, you don't even know about Buffy's mom's cat scan.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even I know, and I'm like her enemy.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And basically being like, you are white bread.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry Charlie, you're just not dark enough.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're not her type, you're too all American.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're too nice, you're too normal.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're not, you're not it for Buffy.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think like that really gets into Riley's head.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Riley could really have said some obviously he holds spike out into the sun, like threatens him.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think all of that is very much playing in Riley's head throughout the rest of the episode.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you're right.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to give Riley full credit here when he goes to the hospital to see Buffy.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't go there and say, why didn't you tell me this was happening?
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why was and I included?
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, he immediately goes there and it's like, are you, do you need anything I'm here?
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let me help you.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let me take care of Don for you.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's very much there for Buffy.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he does a really good job with Don.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like one-on-one with her trying to make her feel better about the whole situation.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I very much want to give Riley credit for those things because I do think like he is being
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: very kind and very supportive of Buffy.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the problem is she's really not letting him in.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like she's completely putting up walls, putting up doors between them constantly, not cluing him into everything going on with her mom, not cluing him into what's going on with the Cobra Monster.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously part of that is because I feel like she is very much
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: compartmentalizing her life at the moment.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: And she is like, okay, my mom is sick.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I need to focus on that.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, now there's this cover monster.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I need to focus on that.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: And because Riley is no longer Captain Riley, he's no longer like this, you know, military man, that she originally knew because he doesn't have the powers he did once did.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think she is too scared to include him in like where he'll get hurt or possibly even worse.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's just not thinking of him.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's just not even considering he and him as an option to help and I do think all of that kind of stuff is what leads Riley to like going back to the bar going into a room with that lady vampire and I do think it's important to note like letting her like put her hands on him letting her bite him before he kills her.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Riley, Sarah, look, we've seen him take out a whole modulium of vampires with her grenade.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: He easily could have killed her.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Prior to her putting her hands on him and biting him, right?
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Part of this feels like a little...
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like self harming to me like a little like right like self destructive of like because then we see the end of the episode.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you notice this there and if you're a tire is an homage to Riley the turtle neck at the end of the episode that he was wearing truly didn't crack me up because I'm like boy is hiding that my
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wish that I was that intelligent.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that it finally is cold.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So then my election of 95 turn on X have come out to play.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know, I between the months of October and March, no neck of mine.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: is to be shown.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I am a big lover of a turtleneck, especially a black turtleneck.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's my favorite.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just feel like more myself.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Although my very good tits cannot be shown in a turtleneck, but that's besides the point.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: What was I going to say?
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got distracted by my boobs.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Riley and the turtle neck is pretty hot by the way.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that he was so good looking this episode.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's very tall and I feel like I kind of forget how tall he is until he's next to Spike or Buffy or someone and I'm like, my god, like he's giantormo.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would climb him like a tree.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And his hair looked darker this episode.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was like jelled and see that like gave it like a darker cat.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: contrary to popular belief, I don't, I'm not obsessed with blondes, I like brown hair, it's just that every single person I have a crush on and these TV shows are blond, I don't know what that is, okay, um, I have a thought, maybe he's doing all these, I agree with you self-harming, I maybe he's doing all these like bad things because he's like, I want to be bad for her, I want to be
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like if that's what she likes, somebody who is like kind of like dark or a little bit bad or a little bit moody kind of like angel like I want to emulate that like, but yeah, I totally agree with you.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think that Buffy is doing it intentionally.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think that there's so much stuff going on.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: She can only focus on what's immediately in front of her.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that she's thinking about Riley.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like I think that she chose to leave Riley out and Spike was antagonizing.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like really like every all Scooby's new that her mom was trying to get a cat scan or something.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think, maybe they did.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite sure.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He she just didn't like think to call him, which is what again, I understand.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like she's so much going on.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Her mom is suffering.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now we learn it's brain cancer her sister who's not really her sister.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: She has to take care of it.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: She has all these feelings like she's her sister, but she's really like a prop and she like a key there's this giant snake monster.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's glory.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: She just.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no room in her life to nurture this relationship.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not her fault, but also it's sad for Riley who is in love with this woman and has nothing going on in his life but her.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's really just a matter of like wrong place, wrong time, right?
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: They always say like relationships are like,
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: 50% chemistry, 50% timing, you know, like I know you all think some of you think that they don't have any chemistry, like I don't necessarily think that's true.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that chemistry looks different for different people, but I think that yeah, like the time is not great if I.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I was Buffy's friend, I'd be like, he's a great guy, but you have to let him go, you know, like you don't have enough space in your heart and in your mind to focus on a relationship and he's obsessed with you and he is going to follow you until the end of the earth until you let him go and you just like you just can't it's just like not fair.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if I was Buffy's friend, I would just be like,
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know that you love it.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, why don't we even know if you love him?
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know that you really, really like him.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that like he's a great guy.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like you can't focus on a relationship right now.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's too much other stuff going on.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Give yourself some space.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's really, I think a huge hurdle, a huge barrier for them, is the fact that Buffy hasn't told him about the Dawn situation because I think if she had, she could explain why she was like even more protective of Dawn than usual.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: She could explain her conflicting feelings towards Dawn as her sister, but not her sister.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: She could explain the importance of catching the
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: back or before it even finds dawn and then before it gets back to glory like she can't though and I think because she can't explain any of those things it's easier to just leave him out of all of this stuff because she would have too much to explain right so I think like part of it is that and I think at the end of the day if she can't trust him with that information if she can't trust him with the dawn stuff
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: then I feel like there's something telling about how she feels about the relationship in general.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think that's true because it's none of the scoobies.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, the only person that knows still is jiles.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think it's a matter of trusting him.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think that it's
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: like keeping information close to the chat, her chest.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, because she does everything.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Riley, she just has a lot of money.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the thing is, she does trust Riley to keep Dawn's safe, right?
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because she, at the end of the day, she says to him, like, can you take her to school?
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I need to go to care of something.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, I'll see her later.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: But she does trust Dawn in Riley's hands, right?
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, she wouldn't just let her sister go with anybody.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so that is important.
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think she just doesn't see him the same way.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: He sees her and like and it's unfortunate because when he is there right when he shows up at the hospital, it does seem like she's happy to see him like she's like happy to have his work.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's comforting like she leans into him.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's literally like.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we called it last week.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: She does not think about him until he's literally writing front of her.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I don't necessarily blame her once again.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that, well, if Riley was my friend, I would say, like, bro, like, she just doesn't have the same capacity for a relationship right now as you.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like, you, I want you to, I want you to get back in a relationship, everything that you put out.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I do like if like I Riley is just not getting that like he's but at the same time like he's getting easily antagonized he is also
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, there was this scene with Dawn in him at the carousel, and she was literally, I mean, like, Dawn was like, you know, you're so good for Buffy.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's like so much happier with you.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, but like, you know, she you don't affect her, like he does.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I, yeah, she doesn't get home to
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, like, he took it poorly or differently than I think that Don was in was saying.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, certainly, but he was using force.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, he is taking it as she's not passionate about me.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I would love, I look in a partner, I look for someone who is stable, supportive, like, comforting.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: When you're in your early twenties, you're probably looking for something more like a spike or an angel.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like someone who is like exciting and like get your heart racing, right?
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's I think it's a big thing is like the difference in like maturity level, but yeah, Riley certainly reads it one way and Dawn intends for it to be like you're good for her like you're so stable.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're so comforting.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think I think Dawn like.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: like has like love for Riley like an older brother like I think that don't can be so sad when they don't work.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when me and my ex broke up the first time.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: My sister cried and like that is just like it's one of those things like you know like yeah oh my gosh like this person that like was a frown just no longer going to be there and what does
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like really sweet.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a sweet dynamic to be like, you know, when you're
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: brought partner sees your sibling as their sibling.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's like kind of sweet.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, I just, you know, I think that he, I think that he is just like really comparing himself constantly to Angel and her relationship with Angel and Angel himself.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that like,
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Spike really, I mean, he does it so well.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: He really, really knows how to poke and prod and like light a fire under like, you're like biggest insecurities with a magnifying glass.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not, it's not great.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then like Dawn likes saying that and him interpreting a different way.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like really,
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's just like really bad.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I, where our days are numbered over here.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I really need to order that veil off of amazon.com for my costume of the day when the relationship inevitably ends.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm gonna be sad because I honestly think I think like the thing is that I've always been a relationship girl.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been looking for my husband literally since I was like six years old.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, when I see, I see Riley, I'm like, that is marriage material.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is aside from couple of like little things.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, he's marriage material, but Buffy doesn't need to get married right now.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like at all.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So wrong place, wrong time, love him though.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's so cute.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love his face.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's really, really good looking.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very attracted to him.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just say, oh, mind, listen.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I do want to like briefly briefly touch on the spike of it all.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's fun, but he's fun.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's very fun.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: This whole scene was very, I think it was intended to be really funny, him like sniffing Buffy sweater, him saying that like, oh, it's, uh, it's, it's what, um,
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: uh, I forgot what he like an animalistic sort of a predator, but it is a predator thing to do.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but then he's like, oh, we're like sniffing it.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, it's really creepy.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's a sick fuck.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's, it's very creepy, but I really loved, I loved him.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I, I, listen, I, I, I thought probably had some really great moments in episodes, so I'm not trying to like, shit on him.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I won't get a very,
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was very funny when Spike was like, oh, isn't it weird that she bought me drinks last night?
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't it weird that like, hey, you know how many times Willow and Tara have been over to do spells to keep people out?
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't it weird that I wasn't on that list?
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, that's a really good point.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: a neutered puppy.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like a cobra out there fangs, like you're nothing.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but still, like she says that he's so annoying all the time, but, you know, she doesn't keep him out.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: He can exactly.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, um, I think that that was like a funny thing for
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pam to antagonize her about, all right, I do, there are some like truthful elements.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think so too.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think him and Buffy, there is this like connection that her and spike have.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know you hate him and like you hate the idea of them together.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't hate him.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just think they have like this.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: They, they very much walk this like, uh, like the the whole wanting death and like searching being surrounded by death.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I really feel like they connect on that level.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Buffie has any sort of interest or feelings towards spike.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like obviously it's very clear that spike has this like crush on Buffie, but I don't know.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really don't think that we're there yet
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: chemistry that you're seeing is not like romantic at this point at least from Buffy's side.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think she has a chemistry and a banter with him.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that she is at all thinking at this moment.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: that she has any feelings towards him.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I do think she feels that they have a connection.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that she is interpreting that as romantic.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I do think she feels like they have something in common.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're connected in a way.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the piece is up or enough to be like I have nothing in common with that man ever like I have no If she if she or she say that she really I have no clue of what you are sure she will.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure she would.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: So that's enough of Spike because that's really the only scene he's in.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about everything going on with Joyce.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we start the episode before getting a CAT scan.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I try to like not pay attention to this stuff, but I was like, there is zero percent chance they get all this information in like a single day, but it's fine.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to think about it too much.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like a lot of this sort of thing is like a waiting game like maybe, but like maybe it is like because of the concern it gets expedited.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: But either way, she gets a cat scan.
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: The doctor says there's a shadow on her brain and so they have to do a biopsy.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: They end up doing the surgery like a book her into an Arnold or immediately.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: She gets diagnosed with cancer, a low grade glioma.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: This was interesting because the doctor speaks a bunch of like, you know, medical gobbledygook, so a few, which was fucking horrendous and I was really happy to see Dr. Ben come in and be like, this guy needs to fucking move out of the way because he, like, I'm so sorry, but like, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't,
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tell someone their mother has a brain tumor in the same breath as you start asking about insurance information.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is just so insensitive.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: His bedside manner is non-existent.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's really, really bad.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: I also don't think
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, I feel like telling her before he's even told the patient herself is a fucking mistake, especially considering like, and just feels like, um, no, you can say, you know, she's recovering will discuss everything once she's awake like it just feels like a lot, just be telling Buffy right away.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if that was some sort of agreement or like maybe Buffy is Joyce's health proxy at the moment and that was like an arrangement they made beforehand because coming out of the surgery like it could have gone really sideways like it's brain surgery so she could have blood out or something died right away so I wouldn't be surprised if like Joyce made her like her medical proxy was a lot of
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Could have been, but I, he basically is like, we need to decide if it's even operable.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even if it's not operable, she still has to look a one in three chance.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And like, this is also much like my, my, my question Sarah, I want to know where you stand on.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is this purely a medical thing?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is this purely a, she's unlucky and she got cancer or is there something magical mystical?
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: What
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think that like, uh, the cause of this brain tumor is connected with
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: that moment where she sees a flash of clarity with the dawn situation.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the ailment itself, the shadow.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it is this tumor.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that's medical.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's like a magical tumor.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that flash of clarity caused some sort of like
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: brain, aneurysm, or medical condition, or sparked this tumor that grew.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that, like,
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does that make any sense?
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: So like, it's totally agree with you.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: The two more itself will need to be removed by medical medical levels.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, but the, yeah, it's a cause of it.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: What has to do with that one moment that was withdrawn?
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's some sort of like, yes, or like, maybe it's the opposite.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, maybe she has,
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: had that brain tumor before and that made her not be fully able to get her memory completely altered by the monks and and due to that like she was able to see the the truth for a second, but then it also
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: made the brain tumor like grow exponentially from there.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and does that make sense?
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm actually, I feel like we're on exactly the same page, because I felt like, right, this show is very intentional.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: We've been learning, and I'm trying not to like have the same dawn situation happen where I am just like taking for granted that the show can do whatever it wants, and all be on board.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's, I don't think it's a coincidence that when Gloria's giving this like cober monster, it's instructions, it's marching orders, she says, see what is unseen, find what is shrouded in shadow.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, that's really interesting.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we see the cober thing finds dawn like shrills and then like jets, right?
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, as if it's going back to glory to get for that information.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: However, I think you're right that it's like in the formation of the key, which is dawn, something wrong happened to Joyce
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like that shadow is a result.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, could part of the key have gotten into Joyce and that's what that shadow is.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Or like you said, is it when they messed with her memories, right?
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know memories form in the brain.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: So like, could that be something especially because,
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: When this first made itself known, when it's first obvious that something has gone wrong with Joyce, she literally says to Dawn, like, who are you?
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then she passes out, right?
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, she falls unconscious.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was the first sign that something was wrong with Joyce.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has something to do with the memories getting altered.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, or...
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: the memory is getting altered.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like formed the tumor or something along those lines of like she either had it previously, the alterations like made it grow.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: or something.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's something along those lines.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think we're like right there, but it definitely has something to do with the Dawn's situation.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that whatever it was, it was in that exact moment that
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: that it happened or that or that like a guru or something.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like it has to be connected.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: And again, all of it could be a red herring and I think
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: What makes me think it potentially could be a red herring is when buffy goes to the scoobies and it's like, let's do a spell.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's like do something to help my mom, you know, he like jiles has to step in and essentially say, you know, unfortunately like magic can't cure something like medical like that, you know, so.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, like, and you could be right it could be that the reason the tumor is there or the shadow is there whatever is because of what happened with the magical stuff and now it's to a point where like, you know, medical intervention is necessary, but I don't know, it was really hard like I.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what I was thinking Joyce was going to end up having to deal with medically, but brain tumor, like, I don't know, wasn't necessarily on my mind.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I probably did.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think I said the exact thing.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not completely sure.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably because I was like, please don't be that.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I of course like cancer, especially like a sensitive subject.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that like your sensitive to I know a lot of people are really sensitive to any sort of cancer diagnosis.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's extremely uncomfortable.
• 47:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I I was getting upset by
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: not upset, but like it was really sad to see Joyce in the hospital and the girls in the hospital waiting for news from a doctor that was reminiscent of my childhood or like my teenage
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: sick.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was always in and out of the hospital.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember a very particular memory of when he did pass like very stereotypical and moves and TV shows that Dr. and the white co comes out to talk to my mom and my uncle to give the news that he had passed.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's whenever I see something like that, it's like you always think like, oh, like that sort of thing, like
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's only in the movies, but like that I literally witnessed that sort of thing with my very own eyes.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's pretty fucked.
• 48:21
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• 48:22
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• 48:23
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• 48:23
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• 48:24
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• 48:24
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• 48:25
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• 48:26
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• 48:27
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• 48:27
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• 48:28
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• 48:29
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• 48:30
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• 48:31
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• 48:31
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• 48:32
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• 48:32
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• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really cannot see Joyce coming back from this like can you like do you think it's a one and three chance like yeah as though those odds are like I mean like it's a it's a third it's like 33% like maybe it is a good percentage but like I would rather have the 66% than the 33% more on top of that he's not really saying.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like there's a difference between surviving it and then like having a life after it, right?
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: So like maybe she lives, but like it's your brain, like it's your brain, you know, like your brain.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: connects everything.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's why brain cancer is just like so especially heartbreaking is because it does like he was saying like it could even impact her speech, her mobility, like all of those things.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: So um yeah, I think it's I think even if she lives it's it's bad, but I am trying not to think too meta about this, but we podcast about the show so you brain kind of goes there anyway.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think she she probably is going to die and I think it is going to be the first like massive massive loss that buffee suffers and I think it is really going to hit home the concept of she can't save everyone I think are starting up that theme right now with the like.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's nothing you can do, which unfortunately is the case when a when family members get sick is there's not a ton you can do besides be there for support.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's a lesson, Buffy's going to have to learn.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think we're going to end the season probably with Joyce dying.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think season six will focus a lot on Buffy's grief and kind of her
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Coming to terms with the fact that she can't save everyone, I think that's your big team.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like very, I think like a lot of heroes go through this, of course, I'm thinking of like spider man and his uncle and Batman and his parents and like I feel like so many.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: super heroes or heroes have to go through that great big loss in order for them to be like fully Formed even Dawson Leary as I say he too has suffered.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a true American hero
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think that I just think like it just it just makes sense.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the actress herself like wanted out or maybe they just felt like it was time.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: What I'm curious about is like,
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, the season is going to be the season of like glory and the key and dawn.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like after this gets resolved, assuming like obviously Buffy's not going to die at the end of the season.
• 51:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have like a few more seasons.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So ultimately, I assume that she's going to be beat glory somehow.
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like does dawn stick around past the season?
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like is that
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: the last piece of like her family, her dad's apparently like fucking around with a secretary and like Monte Carlo, like we will probably never see Mr. Summers again, like does Dawn stick around or like does one school or he's beaten and the key is no longer in jeopardy.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: is there a place for Dawn in this universe or like does she like absorb back into nothingness?
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's another loss and is she completely alone in isolated except for her her scoobies and jiles?
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like how I feel like, you know, especially because the feelings that she's feeling towards Dawn are there purely.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: She has love for Dawn because
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: but it's so, it's so interesting because she has these like feelings and memories are not real, but the feeling is real.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So she definitely has love for her.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I see her every single episode, like her and Donna are like getting closer and closer.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's becoming more like maternal and nurturing to her.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's just interesting.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think Don's place is going to be at the end of the season?
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think if everything goes like we think it will and Joyce ends up dead by the end of the season, I don't think they will also take Don away.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think we will figure out a way for Don to remain and continue on the show.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I don't, that would be so much to lose your mom
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, you're real sister, but in your memories, it is your sister.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: You have love for her, like you said.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like she is becoming very nurturing towards Dawn.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: She is very protective of Dawn, and it's not just because she's the key.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's because she feels like she's her sister.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they're gonna also take Dawn.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I will say, I thought it was really interesting this episode.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: that the way Buffy treated Dawn, where it is very much like she doesn't really want to tell Dawn what's going on, like she's prolonging it, right?
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: She says to Giles and them, though she doesn't know like what the prognosis is, please don't tell her.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: She has, I feel like
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, part of her was, like, compartmentalizing and wanting to go try to find a magic route to say for mom, but I think also a part of her is like, I can't be around stone right now because then I'd have to say something or she probably going to ask questions and questions.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to answer right now.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I felt really bad for Don and I don't know if part of this is like the younger sibling connection there, but I
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I know Don is young as compared to Buffy, right?
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, she's like, what, 14, 15 compared to Buffy, who is closer to 19 or 20 or 20?
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I felt really bad for Don, because I know a lot of people, when, when talking about like, oh, we wanted our kid to have sibling and blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I think part of it is,
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: knowing that your kid will have someone to lean on and someone to go through tough things with, right?
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's not, they're not alone.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I know Dawn is very young and Buffy is trying to protect her and this is just like the way Buffy's mind works.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I really wish that like she was able to talk to Dawn about things and Dawn does find out from Joyce at the end of the episode.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we do see that.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I felt bad because I wish Buffy was able to kind of talk to Dawn about it rather than try to hide the information from Dawn, especially because Dawn is perceptive.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: She picks up on it.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: She knows there's something going on.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, she's not an idiot.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's aware.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it I feel like it only hurts on to then try to hide it when she knows something's going on.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I mean, like, you know, you left out in a way, like you feel like you're being babyed.
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, she's young.
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's it's really, it's a tough call.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm not blaming Buffy.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just can understand like both sides of like, yeah, you want to protect her, but also like Dawn is going to feel like shit, you know, as a result.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know.
• 55:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was interesting.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: If like,
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Buffy was like, I rather this come from mom herself and she is the one, right?
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Joyce is the one who tells her.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, like I do agree with you.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think that Buffy's intentions were I need to protect my sister.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's too going.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's too sensitive and
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: all that can be true, and I also think that Joyce should have been the one to share it with Don.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Joyce was the one to share it with Buffy, like rather than the fucking doctor, like we're at the same time, Joyce finds out.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, just I think like, yeah, I mean, like I, I think that's probably right.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just,
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that also Joyce, I think that Buffy probably learned a little bit from Joyce about how to pick and choose information to share in order to protect your loved ones.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm glad that Buffy has the complete picture rather than whatever filtered version she was going to give Buffy.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's a really tough thing.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once again, I'm trying to recall what my parents told me when they told me that my dad was sick.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember exactly where I was.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had literally just moved into a new house a couple of days prior.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember my parents telling
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was, um, how old was I?
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Probably, I was like 12.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: maybe 11, 12.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't exactly remember what they said, but it was probably some like muted water down version of like what was actually happening.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my dad was sick for seven years.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was on dialysis for seven years.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very long time for dialysis.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't until
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: pretty realistic expectations for my father.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even when he died, I was like, I knew it was going to happen.
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't think it was going to be like then, you know?
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think like it's a really hard thing for a parent to articulate.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: to end to their child about what's happening.
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my sister was even younger than me.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: She was sick.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like, how can they explain that to a six year old, you know?
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think like it, I mean, I'm hopeful, then like I'm never gonna have to experience that as a parent, but
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can just like imagine how hard it is to thread the needle between being honest and realistic and being as a parent or as a person being scared to yourself about your spouse or your own health.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So being threading the needle for yourself, being hopeful, but also being realistic.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think it's a difficult thing and I think that it
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I, I personally am glad that Joyce was the one to share the information with Don.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that Don, maybe like in the moment, wish that she knew sooner from Buffy, but I think like reflecting back onto it.
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that she will be grateful.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It did come from her mom and not from her sister.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: And at the very least, she was told, right?
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like they didn't play the game of let's not tell Don at all.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: That would be really bad.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm sure that happens to a lot of families.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think do decide that, which is like not probably the greatest.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like Dawn's young, but she's not once again like six years old.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like she's 14, 15, like she's old enough to like hold on to that.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that they didn't tell her that would be like ultimate babying.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that they
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: did as good as they can in a really difficult situation yeah no I agree um okay before we get into courties corner because I do have some information for you on the shroud of ramen um we did get a five-star review that I wanted to read on the podcast what I know it's been a bit more crum
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: We'll get some squeaky wheel gets the oil or whatever.
• 1:00:34
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• 1:00:35
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been on the podcast and so as just.
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• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's sometimes where they take on like really big topics and they're just like.
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, today this week we're going to talk about if abortion is okay or not.
• 1:01:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm just sitting here like, oh my god.
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, and they're handling it in like early odds.
• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this week we're going to talk about like gang rape and teenagers.
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh geez, okay.
• 1:01:56
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• 1:02:04
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• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, would we, would we used to call it, uh, I don't remember what we had, but like, uh, should we not eat naughty oddies?
• 1:02:25
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• 1:02:26
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• 1:02:28
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• 1:02:30
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• 1:02:39
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• 1:02:46
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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  [SPEAKER_04]: So bad.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:04:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why God?
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's short.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, It's like a lob.
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: She has bangs, the bangs are a, a, a, the first time they showed it on the, on the episode.
• 1:04:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I literally thought it was a wig.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, this is not the first time it's shown on the episode.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the first time they showed it, I was like, what is happening?
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is this a wig?
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what is going on right now?
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: It honestly, I've been watching a charmed recently.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever watched charmed just, I have not, I know I know you and others are a fan.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've never, I've never seen it.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know it's like about witches, but that, that's, that's all I know.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's very much like Shannon Dordy, Alyssa Milano type of haircut.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Holy fuck.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it so much.
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you do that?
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: She was hot.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, I think it actually, this is the best.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: It looks in the episode, which is saying something.
• 1:04:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm going to, I'm going to get another picture and show you what it looked like.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, the very first time it was.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:05:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just really bad.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like a wig.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It does.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why?
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why did they do this?
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why?
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's pretty bad.
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, that was, I thought, the biggest news for you personally.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's for Delia got a haircut.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's talked about in the episode, because she's had it for 10 days in Wesley and Angel don't notice it.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that's, that's got to teach me in my house because, well, honestly, like, I go, you know, it's such a drastic hair change though.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I go to the hair salon.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got my hair dyed.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It basically looks the same, and I'm $250 poor, but I actually have decided that I'm not
• 1:05:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not going like dark, but I don't think I'm going to bleach it for a little bit.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so that's my news, my new news, your hair news, so elsewhere in the episode, basically what happens is angel and gun have a whole situation where guns cousin Lester is supposed to be a driver for like this demon robbery and there's this like guy who's a vampire who is named Jay Don and he's this like rat pack kind of a guy and he's like the head hauncho, right?
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Angel, one of the funniest scenes of the episode is when Angel finds this guy and pretends to be a big fan.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, oh my gosh, you're Jay Dodd and he like acts all like, you know, excited to see him.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever, then he dusts the guy, you know, he stakes him and then pretends to be him.
• 1:06:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: So for the rest of the episode, Angel talks like, hey, you guys up.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's hysterical.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: We do love that.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, so he's in on it.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's pertain to be J. Don.
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, gun pretends to be Lester who's going to be the driver in the situation.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the thing and meanwhile, Courtney and Wesley are very excited because they're like,
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Angels been so depressed since the whole Darla thing like he needs to get out he needs to work he needs to like get back into normal life well the problem is that this whole this gig that they're like undercover and is going to like get this shroud of ramen and know it's not the soup it is some sort of like
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: shroud like a scarf sort of a thing that makes people lose their minds and so they're like, oh, this is not good.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: So then when they get there, the glass on the like tomb thingy breaks.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it starts to like infect the whole group and they start to like turn on each other and then angel start to like get all and jealous, you know.
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, who shows up mother fucking
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And while there she like pulls a gun on Angel, he knocks her gun out of the way and he bites her neck.
• 1:08:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we're left thinking he is killing her because then Wesley comes upon her body like on the ground and then other cops come in and they're like, oh my god what's going on but then at the very end of the episode an angel eventually like it turns out that he's able to keep enough
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: of like a normal mind.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: He ends up burning the shroud.
• 1:08:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the cops arrest Wesley because he's they find her with the body.
• 1:08:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: She comes in and she's like, no, no, no, no, he's fine.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't do anything.
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it turns out that like angel bit her to protect her from the other demons.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, and so after he bites her, he's like pretend you're like dead.
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he like drops her to the ground, she pretends she's dead, but she still has this like big bite mark on her neck.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then we end the episode with Wesley, basically saying to Cordelia, now I'm nervous because he hasn't tasted human blood in a really long time and now he's tasted Kate's blood and when we go back to angel, he's like thinking about biting Kate.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And now I'm annoyed because that means we're going to get more Kate on the show.
• 1:09:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't that long ago that he bit Buffy and drained like nearly all of her blood.
• 1:09:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right, and here's the thing, it was Buffy.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, is this going to be like a romantic connection?
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what's the situation?
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Gosh.
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know, I'm upset too because I don't want to stay Kate on my screen again.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I really had the most notable thing was Queries haircut.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, for all the episode was like not that great.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it's fine.
• 1:09:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's whatever.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it really wasn't that exciting.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I feel like they don't handle the fact that gone is like the only black character on the show very well.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean?
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what do you want them to do?
• 1:09:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: It just felt like they were playing into like game stereotypes.
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: But like, him and his cousin, again, I'm not one to speak on that really.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like being a woman, but like, it kind of gave the Iki vibes a little bit to me.
• 1:10:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just like 90s or at least 2000s, like stereotypical.
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's how it felt.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, that was the episode.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was, again, it was fine.
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Most notably, Cordy got a haircut.
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: It looks really bad.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're just, we're just the ramen come in.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's the shroud of ramen.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, he's like a person.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ramen's a name.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, R-H-M-O-N.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so it really has nothing to do with the soup at all.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing to do with the soup.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Man, yep, that was a misopportune, man.
• 1:10:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I like ramen.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, who doesn't?
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some people might not.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, we have ramen in our house now.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I bought some.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Happy real.
• 1:10:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, but you like to know what next week's episodes are titled.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so we have season five episode nine of Buffie, listening to fear, and then season two episode nine of Angel the trial.
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And apparently this is one you have to watch.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see listening to fear and the trial, the trial is interesting.
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, again, no Darla, this angel episode.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're first Darla.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Kate was looking for Darla.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: That was the whole thing.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: She was like, we're Darla.
• 1:11:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like Kate mind your fucking business.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ray, like, please.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: She's so annoying at one point Angel did call her out and he's like, she's just upset that her daddy's dead Oh no, it looks like that's pretty expensive The way he said it was really funny.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was like she has such a hard-on for vampires because that's what like killed her dad or something Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah
• 1:11:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: uh but yeah um that'll be that'll be next week is listening to fear and the trial um anything else there anything else you want to tell the people um i don't know any true blood does any blood type taste better than other blood types
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, in true blood, because they've made the product called true blood, which is supposed to allow vampires to not have to drink human blood, it's like, it's like made, it's like vegan sort, you know what I mean?
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's like a fake blood, they're they put it in bottles and there's like, oh, do you want a positive like their people have different flavors?
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, people have preferences.
• 1:12:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's good.
• 1:12:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can tell me off camera.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know your blood type?
• 1:12:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I, I, you donated blood a lot when I was like, when I worked in an office that like had the American Red Cross come in often, I would donate.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I, yeah, I knew my not way, I think.
• 1:12:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: They started rejecting me because I kept fainting.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's probably a good thing.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: I always was on the cusp of not having high enough iron to I think that was my problem Yeah, I wouldn't faint, but they would like test me and I would be like just on the cusp of being able to and then yeah, but now I'd be I've been eating a lot of spinach lately So hopefully that's helping kind of know whatever.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a matter Okay, well, we'll be back next week with season five episode nine of Buffy so until then everyone here and if the lesson just
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shit, 90's show start