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Issue 382: Expanded Universe Adaptations · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 4: obviously you know, getting all these shows for uh, the
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  Speaker 4: Disney Plus and you know, the animated stuff, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking about this and in one of the
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  Speaker 4: things that we've been getting with with all of these
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  Speaker 4: animated things, and of course with the shows like the
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  Speaker 4: Mandalorian and Ahsoka stuff like that, we begin a lot
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  Speaker 4: of things that actually play around with things that we
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  Speaker 4: knew from the EU, right and uh, some of that
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  Speaker 4: stuff that we we used to read about in the EU,
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  Speaker 4: and it feels like they're not afraid to kind of
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  Speaker 4: start mining that and really playing with that. And of course,
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  Speaker 4: you know that kind of began all the way back
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  Speaker 4: in Star Wars Attack of the Clones, when we got
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  Speaker 4: a character that had only been in a comic book
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  Speaker 4: to that point, Ali Sakira, and of course then she
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  Speaker 4: became part of the Clone Wars, and then we started
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  Speaker 4: playing around with Mandalorians, and now of course we're doing
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  Speaker 4: more of that kind of stuff. And so thought of
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  Speaker 4: this great idea, which was, what are the top five
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  Speaker 4: stories from.
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  Speaker 1: The Old EU that we would.
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  Speaker 4: Love to see adapted or used in some way in
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars. And so I'm really excited to see what
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  Speaker 4: you're going to go with for your first pick.
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  Speaker 5: Well, far be it from me to rock the boat
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  Speaker 5: too much, and so I won't. We just talked about
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  Speaker 5: this book fairly recently with regards to when we're recording this.
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  Speaker 5: I would love to see them adapt Darth plagis the
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  Speaker 5: book by James Luceno, because I think that story in
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  Speaker 5: and of itself is super interesting. I think you can
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  Speaker 5: do it with animation, and you'll find a lot of
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  Speaker 5: My answer say I think you can do it with
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  Speaker 5: animation is sort of like a lynchpin phrase that you're
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  Speaker 5: going to hear through this discussion. But I think that
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  Speaker 5: darth Plagus novel is rich and full of ideas. It
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  Speaker 5: will always be something where I think it should have
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  Speaker 5: been the anchoring point for a show like The Acolyte,
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  Speaker 5: where you could construct a story and say, Okay, darth
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  Speaker 5: Plagus the book, an adapted.
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  Speaker 2: Version is our end point.
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  Speaker 5: How do we back up and get to something that
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  Speaker 5: builds to that, so that darth Plagus, that story is
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  Speaker 5: our payoff. Because I think there would be a tremendous
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  Speaker 5: payoff with it, because I think it's complex, it's tricky,
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  Speaker 5: it's slick, all the stuff we said about the book
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  Speaker 5: when we talked about it recently, and so I think
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  Speaker 5: this that is something I would have loved to see
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  Speaker 5: brought to life already. But I think they still have
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  Speaker 5: the space to do it and make it really come
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  Speaker 5: alive and be in no.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't agree with you more.
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's one of those things where
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  Speaker 4: I believe when we were even talking about the book,
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  Speaker 4: we were mentioning that, gosh, this this would be a
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  Speaker 4: great story to dive into. I mean, this is the
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  Speaker 4: type of story that I think could really be, you know,
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  Speaker 4: given something special for either animation, you could obviously do
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  Speaker 4: this show live action as well. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 4: an expansive story. It's the type of thing that I
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  Speaker 4: think lends itself to a more it's weird to say
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  Speaker 4: adult heavy content, but I mean this is this is
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  Speaker 4: you know, more of a kind of like almost Game
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  Speaker 4: of Thrones type of level show with the darkness that
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about with Palpatine and plagu Gifts and all
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  Speaker 4: the machinations that they're doing and everything. So in all
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  Speaker 4: of this, I think it would just be a phenomenal series.
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  Speaker 4: And so no, I love that idea. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: go with something that we actually of course read all
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  Speaker 4: of which is the Jedi Apprentice series. I think that
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  Speaker 4: this would be an easy thing to be able to
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  Speaker 4: pull off obviously in animation. Of course, you could do
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  Speaker 4: live action as well if you want to do a show,
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  Speaker 4: but I think probably much cheaper in animation, and really
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  Speaker 4: lends itself, of course to having an incredible voice actors
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  Speaker 4: come in and to be able to do the voices
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  Speaker 4: for Qui gon Jin and for Obi wan Kenobi. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if either of the original actors can really
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  Speaker 4: get their voices to a level that would work at
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  Speaker 4: this point because of their age.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't need that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think it's very clear from
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  Speaker 4: the work that we did in the Clone Wars where
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  Speaker 4: you can find the right spirit to the voice and
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  Speaker 4: that's really all that matters, and then the animation does
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  Speaker 4: the rest of it to sell it. And so that's
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  Speaker 4: a series to me that just feels like a no
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  Speaker 4: brainer and manly because you can tell great Star Wars
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  Speaker 4: stories and at this and and really add to characters
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  Speaker 4: that we love and know, and especially Qui Gon who
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  Speaker 4: we didn't get to spend a ton of time with.
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  Speaker 4: And at the same time, it's it's kind of a
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  Speaker 4: safe era to play in too, like that you're you're
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  Speaker 4: not going to be changing a ton of things, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but really what you're just telling is great adventure stories, uh,
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  Speaker 4: and and really getting explore a time period that we
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  Speaker 4: don't get to spend a lot of time in either,
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  Speaker 4: which is you know, uh, pre Phantom Menace, where you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Republic is different and in something that we're kind
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  Speaker 4: of rooting for in that way. So I just think
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  Speaker 4: this would be fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: I love that out of the gate, we both picked
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  Speaker 5: something that is pre Phantom Menace.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
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  Speaker 5: I have the Jedi Apprentice series on my own list,
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  Speaker 5: which no surprise there right where we would have crossover
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  Speaker 5: like that, And I agree with you animation is a great,
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  Speaker 5: great angle to go with with it. I also think
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  Speaker 5: even if you regardless of whether you do animation or
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  Speaker 5: live action or whatever, however you approach it, if you
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  Speaker 5: approach this the way that they approached say the Young
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  Speaker 5: Indiana Jones chronicles, where you have young characters going through history,
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  Speaker 5: but in this case it just happens to be Star
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  Speaker 5: Wars history. And since Star Wars' root is to be
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  Speaker 5: rooted in real history and echo it, how cool could
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  Speaker 5: it be to take that series, which is so well written,
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  Speaker 5: and then when you adapt it, make it have that
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  Speaker 5: feel of I'm journeying through real history. It just happens
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  Speaker 5: to be in the Star Wars Galaxy. Adapt some of
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  Speaker 5: the stories a little bit like, because I'm putting myself
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  Speaker 5: in the idea of like a pitch meeting, how would
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  Speaker 5: I pitch this to the brass? And I think if
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  Speaker 5: we say, look, Jude Watson and others wrote these great books,
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  Speaker 5: Let's do this. It doesn't get as much push as
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  Speaker 5: saying let's take those great books and let's adapt it
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  Speaker 5: a little bit and make it something even, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that has like some sort of like little twist, like
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  Speaker 5: we add a couple of scenes in here and there
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  Speaker 5: that make it feel like a history lesson, and we
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  Speaker 5: can have it be a history lesson about the way,
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  Speaker 5: because basically we're dealing with as these adventures go, we're
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  Speaker 5: building up to the fall of the Golden Age. We
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  Speaker 5: can plant little things in it to act like a
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  Speaker 5: Clone Wars that leads up to the Phantom Menace as
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  Speaker 5: opposed to Clone Wars. It gets us from Clones to
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  Speaker 5: Revenge of the Sith. So absolutely on board, as you
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  Speaker 5: know with the Jedi Apprentice series. So let's see if
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  Speaker 5: I go a little bit outside of the box here.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know how outside of the box it
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  Speaker 5: really is, because as I was thinking about this, I realized,
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  Speaker 5: with Tales of the Jedi Tales from the Empire, they've
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  Speaker 5: done this sort of thing, but I think they could
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  Speaker 5: lean even more into it by going to the old
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  Speaker 5: nineteen nineties tales from series tales from Javis Palace Tales
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  Speaker 5: from the most sizely Cantina Tales of the Bounty Hunters.
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  Speaker 5: You've got a lot of great source material right there. Again,
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  Speaker 5: animation could handle this. I trust the animation department with everything,
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  Speaker 5: like the you know, it's not just an you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's not just a cheat, it's the animation department has
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  Speaker 5: never let me down as storytellers. So if we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about adapting something where trust me with the Tales from Series,
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  Speaker 5: I can completely acknowledge the shortcomings of it as it
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  Speaker 5: existed in the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: It would need to have a little bit of love
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  Speaker 2: and care put on it.
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  Speaker 5: I trust the animation department to put the right type
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  Speaker 5: of love and care on it and make it great.
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  Speaker 5: And if anybody is below our age and has not
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  Speaker 5: read this Tales from Series, highly recommend going out and
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  Speaker 5: reading them because it's so much fun. There's like a
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  Speaker 5: zero pressure attitude on the part of the writers. I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to go back. I've made a pledge to myself
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  Speaker 5: that in twenty five I'm going to go back and
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to read through at least one of these books.
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  Speaker 5: Because I had the good fortune of finding an original
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  Speaker 5: pre Disney era Tales from Java's Palace on the shelf
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  Speaker 5: in a Barnes and Noble by an accident one day.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about just wow, absolute stroke of luck.
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  Speaker 5: So I picked that up, and I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: this would make a pretty solid kind of thing. Like
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  Speaker 5: it's already divvied up. You've got a bunch of short stories.
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  Speaker 5: You could turn this into fifteen twenty minute shorts. Boom
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  Speaker 5: boom boom, You've got your your ideas, You've got seasons
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  Speaker 5: right there in a book.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think would work really well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I I agree with you. I think that
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  Speaker 4: would be really interesting. Like you said, I think it
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  Speaker 4: plays into the fact that they've already been doing the
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  Speaker 4: Tales of series and so being able to mine some
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  Speaker 4: of those things I think would be you know, fantastic
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  Speaker 4: because you know, in some ways, you know, they even
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  Speaker 4: have you know, tales from the New Republic, right, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you could do some of those things where you I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we look, we've already had Luke Skywalker show up in
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  Speaker 4: the Mandalorian, and so you know, why not tell some
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  Speaker 4: of those tales that we would love to see of
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  Speaker 4: the New Republic that you know haven't gotten a chance
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  Speaker 4: to play out yet. And so no, I I one
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  Speaker 4: hundred percent love that idea. So I think you're going
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  Speaker 4: to like this one. But I think that you know,
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  Speaker 4: we've been doing UH. We've been having thrown Uh in
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  Speaker 4: the Ahsoka series. We had him in Rebels UH. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that because they had Timothy's on come in
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  Speaker 4: and write the Throng Ascendency series, I think it would
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  Speaker 4: be phenomenal to get an opportunity to have a series
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  Speaker 4: set Uh in those books basically, to to adapt that
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  Speaker 4: in some way to help us, you know, have a
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  Speaker 4: better understanding of where this character comes from. That's just ascendency,
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  Speaker 4: all of that stuff, and to really play around and
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  Speaker 4: and you know, again it's one of those things could
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  Speaker 4: you do You can do this in live action, you
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  Speaker 4: could do this in animation. I think either one be perfect.
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  Speaker 4: Animation seems like, again it's all of these things. It's
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  Speaker 4: cheaper to do it animation wise. But that's a series
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  Speaker 4: which I had and I thought was so good, and
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  Speaker 4: so I would absolutely love to see that series brought
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  Speaker 4: to life.
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  Speaker 5: Another instance where you just took something off of my list,
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  Speaker 5: we have another crossover point right here. Obviously you didn't
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  Speaker 5: take it from my list. It's just evidence that you.
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  Speaker 2: And I have similar tastes in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 5: Completely agree with everything that you said, and I think
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  Speaker 5: what's beautiful about it is basically, if you look at Thrawn,
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  Speaker 5: you have Star Wars without the reliance on the Space
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  Speaker 5: Wizards without the reliance, and all the things where you
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  Speaker 5: have a section of the audience that says, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to just look at that stuff, I want to
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  Speaker 5: look at other things that exist within these possibilities. Well, fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: You've got it right there, and you satisfy the entire
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  Speaker 5: audience with this story, and you do exactly what a
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  Speaker 5: great series should do, just like the Penguin did on
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  Speaker 5: HBO Max, which is, yes, it's in this world from
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  Speaker 5: this movie, but if you haven't watched it, it still
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  Speaker 5: completely works for you. Like the story you tell should
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  Speaker 5: be why you're making the series. Yes, not that you
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  Speaker 5: want to create a new thing. That's you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: the old stuff but done in a Disney way or
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  Speaker 5: anything like that. It's this is just a good story
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  Speaker 5: to tell that's interesting about an interesting character. Yes, it
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  Speaker 5: happens to be in Star Wars. That's the right story
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  Speaker 5: you need to tell. Yes, that's exactly what you need
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  Speaker 5: to do so, all right. So by contrast, my next
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  Speaker 5: pick is actually going to bring us back to a
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  Speaker 5: Force user, a very pivotal Force user in Star Wars history,
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  Speaker 5: though some of the normies don't know who he is,
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  Speaker 5: and that is the Darth Baine trilogy, which I finally finished,
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  Speaker 5: reread the first two, and then I finally read the
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  Speaker 5: third one recently, and I am absolutely flabbergasted that they
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  Speaker 5: have not adapted this for a live action story. Animated
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  Speaker 5: it would work extremely well, obviously, but you've got a
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  Speaker 5: lot of room here, and you have something that is
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  Speaker 5: a Game of Thrones esque story, Like it's really Game
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  Speaker 5: of Thrones esque, And you can go even crazier with
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  Speaker 5: design stuff because there was a comic book series that was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the first book in the series, and the
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  Speaker 5: comic book of Jedi Versus Sith happened at the same time.
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  Speaker 5: They took inspiration from each other sort of thing, or
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  Speaker 5: I think the book came after. What if I'm wrong
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  Speaker 5: about the timeline, Okay, but it's one of those things
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  Speaker 5: where you can go absolutely nuts with the design because
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  Speaker 5: you're literally thousands of years beforehand. Yeah, and what a
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  Speaker 5: lightsaber looks like can be completely different, and what a
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  Speaker 5: spaceship looks like can be completely different, and what the
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  Speaker 5: rules of hyperspace are and what the rules of the
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  Speaker 5: Republic are, and the fact that you have a series
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  Speaker 5: that ends with a very straightforward example of why the
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  Speaker 5: Republic functions the way it does after the Sith have
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  Speaker 5: their biggest appearance and their biggest formative person appear on
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  Speaker 5: the scene and you find out literally how much it
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  Speaker 5: affected why the Republic functions the way that it does
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  Speaker 5: at all. That's an interesting series. You basically have a
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  Speaker 5: sorcery epic where you can really evoke a Lord of
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  Speaker 5: the Rings or Game of Thrones type of thing, and
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  Speaker 5: you've set up what is coming, and you know why
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  Speaker 5: what you already.
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  Speaker 2: Know is existing.
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  Speaker 5: I think you got just the rich storytelling opportunity right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with you on that one.
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  Speaker 4: This is a series that you know, you're trying to
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  Speaker 4: get me to read, and I will read as soon
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  Speaker 4: as I can. And I think, like you said, just
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  Speaker 4: the idea of diving into uh, one of the pivotal
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  Speaker 4: characters in the Star Wars series. You know, we've even
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  Speaker 4: we have seen these characters, you know, uh Force whatever,
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  Speaker 4: who you know, essence or guests or whatever was left
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  Speaker 4: over in the in the Clone Wars and the the
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  Speaker 4: lost missions there, the Yoda Lost Mission.
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  Speaker 1: Uh And So.
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  Speaker 4: I think that this is a great idea though, and
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  Speaker 4: and and and I think, you know, it's well, we've
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  Speaker 4: reviewed The Acolyte and and I think what's so amazing
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  Speaker 4: about this is that there are a lot of of
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  Speaker 4: these type of stories when you think of you know,
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  Speaker 4: you've got the Old Public era, you know, and dealing
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  Speaker 4: with with characters in that era like Revin and things
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  Speaker 4: from uh Knight a Little Republic. And then you know,
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  Speaker 4: like you said, you got this Dark Bay series, which
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  Speaker 4: which is something that again creates everything we know about
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  Speaker 4: the Sith moving forward, and and and what we get
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  Speaker 4: then throughout the prequel era and and and then and
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  Speaker 4: through the original trilogy. And so it's like, this is
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  Speaker 4: stuff that would be incredibly interesting to see and I
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  Speaker 4: would love uh to to be able to to see
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  Speaker 4: that done. So I think that's that's that's really good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with uh. So, they had the the
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  Speaker 4: Hans Solo trilogy that had come out, not the Hon
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Solo Adventures, but Han Solo Trilogy. Uh and and I
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: was inspired by this because I read that series. It's
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: not bad and it's got some interesting stuff in it,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: and so to to.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Adapt some of that.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: But I was really inspired by the fact that I'm
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: playing Indiana Jones in The Great Circle right now, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: it feels like I'm in uh an Indiana Jones movie.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: UH.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: And the the voice actor doing, you know, uh, Indiana
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Jones feels just like Harrison Ford uh. And so to
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: be able to do this in some way and and again,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: you know, I think you could you could do an animation,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: or you could just decide, hey, we're gonna we're gonna
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: take some of these type of stories and and and
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: add with what we got from Solo and and and tell.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Some more with this character.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: But again, I was just I was really struck by
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: how how much fun it was to be playing uh,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: basically a new Indian Jones movie.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: UH.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: And I was like, man, I would love to see
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: more of these stories for Han solo UH and more
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: of that story and and really what it gives us
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to do then is just follow up Solo.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: And it makes sense too because when I'm thinking about
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: the fact that we have a show right now called
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Skeleton Crew, where we're dealing with the pirate element. The
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: underworld is just rife to be played with, and we
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: just don't play with it enough in Star Wars. You know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know why we're afraid with it. So yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I think that would be great.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: So you're talking about the AC Crispin series came out, Yes, okay, yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I agree. I remember reading the AC Christmin series and
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: really liking it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to remembering stuff in it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Actually, I remember I was reading the first book on
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: a bus ride home from a job interview for a
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: job I did get, actually, and I remember riding the
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: bus home and reading it. Like, it's weird how you
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: have those memories, right, But yeah, I remember really liking
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: it and thinking it was it was pretty darn clever.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: And to your point, we're all hungering for different aspects
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: of the Star Wars galaxy, and you know, if you
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: even go back to you know just what the Mandalorian
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: is doing. But then to your point about Skeleton Crew,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: audiences are responding to this opportunity to explore the CD
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: side of Star Wars. This it's sort of a you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: if you look at the Jedi stories, as top down.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: These organized crime slash underworld stories are looking at it
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: from the bottom up, and so you by looking at
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: the two extremes, you know, of the ultimate good guys
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: over here and their struggles through time, and then some
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: of the ultimate bad guys, the ones who are the
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: really bad ones who don't get the press.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just like the real world where you're like, oh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: that person's you know, that's a Darth Vader, that's an emperor,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: that's an inquisitor. Those are clearly bad guys. And then
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: you turn around and you go, oh, but this person's
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: just as bad. It's just there in the shadows, and nobody.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Talks about them.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and even even to your point, like with that,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: and you explore that world the opportunity again, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: like I was saying, with like the the the Darth
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Baane trilogy, setting these things up, you do so much
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: world building, and every so often you could have one
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: of those bad guys bubble up and create a situation
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: where how does the empire deal with that? You know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: because it's the time period of Solo right coming up
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: before a New Hope, you have a situation where you
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: really flesh out the world because obviously the empire allows
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the criminal element to exist for a reason, but every
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: so often the Empire would have to do something to
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: make the average person feel like the Empire is the lesser.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Of the choices of evil choices.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: And maybe, just like in the real world, somebody would say, yeah,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: I get there are flaws, but at least, to borrow
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: the old phrase, the old saw that's been out there
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: for a long time, at least they make the trains
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: run on time, you know that sort of thing where, yeah,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: I don't like what they do most of the time,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: but at least they got that guy. At least they
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: took down that kingpin. They're obviously still good aspects of
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: that evil machine that's out there. And then one day
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: you have a death Star show up at your front
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: porch and oh yeah, it turns out they were the
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: more evil choice.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, What else would you want to see?
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I'd put my list at five. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: so now I feel a little bit like, oh, well,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: we had some crossover, and so it's like, you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: a couple of mine have already been been snatched up,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: as it were, in this discussion, which is fun it's
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: a wonderful thing when that happens. But you know, there
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: is actually an EU story that I think it's pre
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Disney or it's right before the Disney purchase, and it
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: gets into dangerous territory, specifically because there are certain Star
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Wars stories that have attempted to go into this area
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: about the sort of hero deconstruction of Luke and you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: what's reality versus myth, And I think that since there
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: can also be a flavor for that, I would like
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: to see some sort of adaptation of the book Luke
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Skywalker in the Shadows of mindor oh yeah, yeah, because
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: that was a really poignant thing where the whole framing
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: device is Luke talking to somebody and saying, so, what
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: part of that do you think was real? Right, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: saying the spirit of what they were talking about was accurate,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: but it got a little embellished along the way, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: it's sort of like a man who shot Liberty Valance
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: sort of vibe this is the West.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: We print the legend.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: And you you walked away from the book. I have
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: to go back and reread it, but I remember really
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: enjoying it because that was the first time I really
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: remembered an EU book dealing with the idea that, yes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Luke was the great Jedi, Luke was a true hero,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Luke deserved the status of legend, but people still ran
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: away with it afterward, and Luke was stuck in a
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: place where.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: He didn't know.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Well it's not didn't know, but it's more the sense
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: of at what point do you stop fighting the legend makers?
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Because you know that what's being built up is still
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: to the greater good and if it gets at it
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: gets a little blown out of proportion, that's just the.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Price of it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: And I, you know, that's how I remember the point
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: of the book being. And I think that could be
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: a really interesting series.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny that you were thinking of that,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: because I was. I was thinking about the idea of
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: you know, there's there are places I feel like that
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: there are their books and their stories you know about
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: that that time period of in the rebellion or even
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: right after the rebellion, right, you know, we have so
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: many stories, you know, whether it's you know, the X
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Wing series or the Jedi Academy series, or you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: there's so many series where it's like you could take
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: bits and pieces of those and create really interesting stories
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: for these characters and really get a chance to play
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: with them. And so no, I think that that would
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: be really cool. And in some ways, you know, I
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: think that's the kind of thing where you know, you
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: can do uh the animated feature for Disney Plus, right,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: that allows you to do a story like that, And
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: so I'm probably gonna it's it's somewhat cheating.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But my my last one I was thinking of was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: The Jedi Quest series, you know, which is Obi Wan
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Kenobi training Anakin Skywalker.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Uh you know, oh wow, I remember I never read it,
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: but yeah, I know the series you're talking about.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And I think that the beauty of that series is uh,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: you know that's something.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: There was a audio book that just came out on Audible,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: like an audio drama that involves these two characters in
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: that time period, and it was really fun and interesting,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: uh to be able to dig into them and you
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: know the frustrations uh and everything and and and whatnot.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, it would.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Be you know, great to be able to to see
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: you know, these characters, uh, and what it was like,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: uh for be when Kenobi had trained a young Anakin
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: and what that relationship was like and and and that's
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: one of those places where when you know, when I
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: think of the ways in which you know, you could
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: truly add to a character h and actually add to
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the relationship between those two characters in that way, I
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: think it would be awesome, you know, to be able
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: to dig into, you know, one of the most important
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: relationships of the Star Wars series. Now, I will say too,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: this is one where you truly need a writer that
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: that understands these characters and really gets them and and everything.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: So but it's one that I would be really interested
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: to see.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So I think that's great.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I didn't read them, but I'd love
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: to see them. I'll throw one other wild card that
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I thought of while you were talking, because you talk about, like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: you know, exploring relationships and those sorts of things. One
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: that I have to go back and reread and maybe
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five you and I can make a
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: pack to reread this series and talk about a little
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: bit more. But I would be super fascinating. Everybody talked
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: about how they wanted a Lando movie or Orlando show.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: That's another thing that just sort of like everybody talked
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: about Oh, everybody was so excited about it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And then it went away again.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: I remember the eighty series. It was the Lando Calrissian
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: adventures you had, like theand Parp of Sharu and stuff
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: like that. I have no idea whether it's they.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Do reference in Soulus. They do, you know, they reference
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: some of those stories. So wouldn't it be fun to
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: go back and give Lando some love here? And I
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: mean again, I've heard there you might want to be
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: on some sort of substance when you're reading those stories.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: But all the more reason I need to go back
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: and read them because everybody told me that I had
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: to be on some sort of substance to enjoy Aquatine
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Hunger Force, But I can tell you I never was.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: An Aquatin Hunger Force remains one of my favorite shows
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: of all time. So well, they maybe my brain just
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: produces its own chemicals and I'm hardwired too, well probable
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I'm hardwired to enjoy these cowroys and stories.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think again, that would be really fun.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And partly, like you just kind of mentioned, I don't
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: know if we're actually ever really going to get that
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Lando series, and which is you know, kind of sad
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: because I think everybody was looking forward to it. You know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: one of the things that came out of Solo that
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: was was I would say universally praised, really was.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: His portrayal.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Right, Like people loved.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Him as Lando, regardless of whether or not they actually
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: loved the movie, even though they should have loved the movie.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: That that's a different story.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, and so yes, I would love to see something
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: like that and utilize some of that that stuff. And again,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: the beauty of this too is like, you know, we're
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: not saying you have to do a complete, you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: one for one adaptation, but you could do bits and
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: pieces of these things and kind of pull them in
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: and it's like people that know they know, and the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: people that don't it's fine too. It's not about having
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: to do it, you know, again, like a straight one
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: for one. And so I would love to be able
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: to see something like that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I think we've tossed some great ideas out there, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: as always, invite the listeners out there to go ahead
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: and offer us suggestions. Maybe there's a story we've overlooked.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Anybody who recommends any of the books that I didn't
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: like from the EU, please postmark what you send in
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: so that I can harass you appropriately, because that's sort
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: of what I'm known for.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: But it's in all seriousness.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: We would love it if you went too the nerd
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Party dot Com slash contact and reached out to us
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: and let us know what you think would be a
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: great EU story to adapt. Let's all be honest, we're
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: never going to get Air to the Empire. They've moved
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: along too far with a bunch of different things. We're
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: never going to get a true We're not going to
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: get Druis Sabbath. We're not gonna get you know, Dark
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Force Rising or anything like that. But we'll you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: we're getting little sprinkles of that. But what do you
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: think is honestly something they could come back and do.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: We've already gotten a little bit of Dark Empire thrown
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: in there technically with Rise of Skywalker, but what other
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: stories out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: There would work.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Let us know if the Nerd Party dot Com slash Contact,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: or like Matt was saying at the beginning over on
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: the socials at the Jedi Masters on X, would be
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: a great way to reach us as well. But Matt,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: if people want to reach you out there in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: wild space, of the Internet. Where can they find you?
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great place is all over social media. Just search
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: for Matt Rushing Zoe too, and so if I'm on
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: that platform, you'll find me there. Of course, you can
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: find me all over the Nerd Party network with another
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: show called owl Posts, completed show I did with Greated Kaufman.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: We talked about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: one chapter at time. So I hope you'll also join
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: us there, and then you'll you'll find me doing a
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: little show, just a tiny show, and it is called
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: the six or two Club, and you'll find that over
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: on the TFM network, talking about all of those franchises
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: that we love, not just one. John and I frequently
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: do things together over there, especially since we cross over
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: with aggressive negotiations quite a bit when it comes to
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Star Wars, So check that out and you'll find me
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of Star Trek talk over there. But John,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: if people wanted to catch up with you and just
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: you know, bend your ear about their favorite EU book
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: that maybe you haven't read that, they're like, oh, you
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: haven't read that, and you don't know if it should
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: be adapted because you haven't read it. Where should they find.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: You well, as we all know that I am slightly
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: allergic to reading, so it's a lot to ask. But
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: if it has a Star Wars label on it, I'll
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: read it. I'll give it a shot. In most cases,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: you can find me as Kessel Junkie out there on
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: the Internet. You can find me here on the network
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: co hosting a show called house Lights with Tristan Riddell
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: and Darren Moser, and we cover the works of directors.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: But Matt, I think it's time for us to go
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: back and fulfill our community service at the Jedi Temple
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: by dusting the shelves of the archives of the Jedi Order.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: So I think it's time to close these negotiations John negotiations.
• 35:40
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